Champion Stadium

[civic trellis]

Also do we know how many seconds field effects last?

[crystal notch]

45 secs apparently?

[civic trellis]

Ah alr

[crystal notch]

I'm just impatiently waiting for lodge sycamore now

For lorelei

This is as far as I go with the hyperoffensive meme team

Sides spam aoe

and I misjudged which side will move

[tame gust]

hmm.. I'm messing up on my quad queues. I'm coming close to winning against Loreli but sides keep killing me off right at the end.

[proud axle]

I believe there is an old post on the subreddit that goes into it; it's both. It's timer-based until towards the end, at which point it starts counting turns instead

[crystal notch]

reset can't come fast enough

but I still need to rng for sycamore

to get 14 levels

to get bulbasaur

[proud axle]

Bulbasaur is the #1 Pokémon of all time ||by Pokédex numerical order||

[swift swan]

it increases the animation time since opponents have to take damage from trap/heal from gradual healing. so it gives you more time to refill your gauge

niche things like that

[tame gust]

Oh. I think I found part of the problem on why Erika wasn't murdering. I still had her Lucky Skill on Flameproof lmfao

shame I don't have any deluxe cookies for weather warrior.

[crystal notch]

"who is the first pokemon" and the answer is schrodinger's first pokemon

[proud axle]

Ah, found another post that gives an explanation that I found more plausible...
Fields last 45sec but the ending time can by fudged: it will secretly extend itself to last through any moves that were queued before those 45sec were up

So if it's been Sunny for 44sec and then you cram three things into the queue, it'll last through those three things

https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonMasters/comments/irtll3/tips_you_may_not_knew_weather_and_field_effects/

[crystal notch]

so when does it mess up quadqueue?

if it ends the cycle before you sync?

e.g. 1 2 3, sun ends, enemy move, our side sync (enemy will queue)

[proud axle]

How do I phrase this...

[frosty axle]

one thing I noticed with hail and Abomasnow that sometimes it syncs when hail is about to fade but doesn't get the damage buff

must be some timing thing

[proud axle]

I think I need to actually figure it out myself. But the Forbidden Time Window is "between the enemy's third move" and "the sync move right after"

These new details recontextualize how the sun ends up expiring in that window...

[tame gust]

there we gooo, got her.

switched out BP Morty for Lodge Dawn for the strugglebug drops and SP.Def boosts

[crystal notch]

ah so that's why fired up causes silver to be unable to quadqueue after the second sync

[proud axle]

(Player queues three things)
(Enemy queues one thing)
Field is generated on round 1
(Player queues three things)
(Enemy queues one thing)
Field persists through round 2, moves play out
(Player queues three things)
(Enemy queues one thing)
Field persists through round 3, moves play out
(Player waits for their team's animations to complete, to queue their sync as the first thing in round 4)
45sec usually expire here
(Player queues sync and then 2 more moves)
Round 3 animations finish
Field expires and plays a brief animation (Enemy can queue something here)
Sync move animation begins

This also means that sync countdown skip effects in your first sync cycle... can help you quadqueue through a field effect even if it isn't enough to skip an entire round. It does this by allowing you to queue the sync before your team's turn 3 animations are all finished, potentially making it into the queue before 45sec have elapsed.

Reaction-effect passives (e.g. Team Shout) can still break the quadqueue though

[tame gust]

Loreli and Agatha down.

[hearty lynx]

my probopass dies after my sync

i can't get to 2 syncs before bertha has her first sync

[zealous karma]

E

[old orchid]

did sun expire right before first sync?

[proud axle]

Their tank died so they couldn't triplequeue anymore anyway

[toxic cobalt]

Ramosssss

[crystal notch]

bertha is evil ngl

high horsepower in sandstorm

reset

[proud axle]

I'm rather unaccustomed to seeing Lyra in non-Sun teams despite literally using her in both my detective event daily farm teams, neither of which is sun-based

[zealous karma]

Wow Karen is so frail

[hearty lynx]

man

i was so close

only a side left but my ho oh fainted damn

[zealous karma]

Me too, me too

[hearty lynx]

i always attack the wrong mon i feel, bc they attack with the other one

[proud axle]

Got any other dark attackers?

[proud axle]

This happens to me a lot

[hearty lynx]

i feel like bertha outsmarts me

[dark osprey]

The one that moved earlier attacks after the center goes down

Earliest to be precise

[zealous karma]

I’m doing a theme lel I have Furburt and champ Calem lel

Agatha user shadow ball like 4 times how is Lyra Alive

[proud axle]

Lyra has massive special bulk

[zealous karma]

The first shadow ball did like 900 damage lel

[proud axle]

I wanted to protest, seeing her in a non-sun team, but...Agatha is usually special-heavy, so Lyra actually makes sense to tank this

[bright furnace]

is the theme dead for richu, basically

unless richu can overcome the special bulk

[zealous karma]

No I beat it lel

[bright furnace]

[zealous karma]

That screenshot is from me winning

Wow Karen without an additional nuker how does someone do it

[bright furnace]

hard to tell from this screenshot

[mellow linden]

On 2.5k? Long-game setup with Lucian + NY Sabrina for me

[zealous karma]

I assume yours is ex 🐴

[mellow linden]

Yeah

[tame gust]

Bruno gone. Now all that's left is Oak boi

[mellow linden]

I also pretty much reserve her for Dark weak Phoebe these days since I have SC Zinnia + Greninjas

[zealous karma]

+6 evasuon

Gets hit by crit razor leaf

Moyai

(Koga lived on one)

Max offenses moment

[tame gust]

woo, 12.5k clear!

[north crown]

Zinfogel - Based CC imo
Fueboomer - Retired from PoMa the last time I checked, tho they have very good sleep chain videos if you really want to dive into that. Zinfogel still has the beginner friendly sleep chain videos, so check them out before fue.

[swift swan]

zinfogel definitely

the strats that guy does

skippingmud is also one I really enjoy

[tame gust]

now to decide who deserves the EX.. I think imma finally boot my Hilbert up to EX

Damn that felt satisfying to hit 12.5k

[swift swan]

congrats! well done

[tame gust]

some of those matches were hella close too. I won the fight against blue by pure RNG evasion

I derped on my first Blue attempt. Accidentally had Special Damage reduction turned on. Saw my Venoshocks doing a lot less than I expected and the sync barely scratching and was like "oh.. wait, I pressed the wrong button"

[frosty axle]

well you can check out my videos also

[tame gust]

Lorelei took me the most attempts this time around. Probably more so a piloting issue, but hey, Lodge Dawn struggle bug coming in clutch.

[daring osprey]

I did Lorelei first but I am thinking bruno for second because Giovanni go brr?

[tame gust]

Bruno hits like a truck so you'd be risking a lot

[daring osprey]

Also screw bruno why does he have endure and is so frickin tanky in the first place it’s insane

[tame gust]

Bruno gonna have a phobia of birds by the end of the month.

[proud axle]

Alfred Hitchcock intensifies

[tame gust]

Like, I understand Carnie and Cede could be better used elsewhere. But sometimes it's just about sending a message.

[daring osprey]

He’s so close to dying aghhh

Like literally 1 Hp

Perhaps I clear the sides first and the focus on onix

[hollow quarry]

Them adding 5 stats +3 was a mistake

[north crown]

Stop thinking grat everythjng is bad at 1/5. Look at Ash and SSTRed. Do you think they’re bad at 1/5? HELL NO.

Literal skill issue

You see bad pair, I see skill issue.
Fr watch a video on 1/5 annilillie and you’ll understand.

[swift swan]

Nitsua don't waste your breath

It's frustrating but welp

[north crown]

Omfg fr?

[civic trellis]

They refuse to be helped

[north crown]

Skill issue

[swift swan]

If the whole CS channel has to come together to voice the same opinion and one person still won't believe it, maybe they should introspect themselves first. Nothing we say will change their minds, it's their mindset

[north crown]

Silver: God I hate the internet

[tame gust]

Here's a little pill: everything can clear at least some part of content, regardless of move level. Some just do it better than others, but it comes down to how you plan and use the tools you're given. And pray that the RNG is on your side

[north crown]

True. Also sorry for ghost ping.
Seriously I can’t believe the difference between you, a 3 week player, and someone who has annilillie for god sake.

[daring osprey]

Ahhh screw it bruno is about to get ratted

[tame gust]

..I've just come to realize I'm already almost two months in to this game.

[storm quest]

Same, it's weird

[civic trellis]

They have 3/5 zerena and rats too

[swift swan]

Some people are willing to take advice and learn more than others

[tame gust]

HOw tf has it already been two months?!

[north crown]

FUCKING HELL

[swift swan]

If someone's asking for advice, get advice, but refuse to take it, it's their problem

[north crown]

Really? istg I saw you got longer…

[tame gust]

At that point I'm convinced they're a troll if they've got rats, 3/5 Zerena and AnniLillie.

[north crown]

That is actually a giant L on their part holy shit

[toxic cobalt]

Let’s reduce the personal commentary please

[storm quest]

On a different note, cMarnie took Agatha to town lmao

[tame gust]

sorry, sorry, but to answer you about thinking I've been here longer: Nope. Total login in days: 57

[proud axle]

A-Lillie has a one-button full setup, high SpAtk, a Master Skill, a powerful 4bar move, and a 50% chance to spontaneously gain SEUN every turn

She's insanely powerful

[mellow linden]

Seems about right

[proud axle]

She has all that at 1/5 too

[storm quest]

Never had a csmm battle go as smoothly as that one just did lol

[proud axle]

Also Rejuv 6 innate, so that's icing on the cake

[tame gust]

oh yeah, no Carnie totally stomps Agatha. But I decided "Let's give EX SCZ a little fun" and Oh god, they're all dead.

[swift swan]

Man all these premium dark damage dealers

I just use Sidney

hides frogs behind my back

[hollow quarry]

I did use Sidney the GOAT then best girl dropped the other day

[balmy lotus]

ol' reliable

[proud axle]

While I was inputting my roster into that sync pair tracker, I noticed Fairy has an even-more-disproportionate situation there

[tame gust]

if I got two more copies of Sidney, I'd use him.

[proud axle]

There are, what, seven seasonal/SC Fairies?

[swift swan]

I have way too many dark damage dealers but frogs + sidney is just too comfortable i need to give Karen, Furbert, and hell even Nessa a run sometimes

Also MR now that mine's 3/5

[tame gust]

for the sole reason that his nuke looks juicy and also I'm not an Absol main. That's a friend of mine and if he learned that I had 3/5 sidney and he doesn't have a single one, he'd riot.

[swift swan]

I'm still in my Mina era

[civic trellis]

I used 3/5 frogs and 1/5 cmarnie

[north crown]

I remember using nessa+mr+supp ex for 2k

[mellow linden]

Greninjas + Nessa is amazing for Dark weak stages

[swift swan]

Bede once in a while

[proud axle]

Sidney is a fantastic sidekick. Sets himself up and has a low net gauge consumption

[mellow linden]

If I hadn’t grabbed SC Zinnia that’s the team I’d have used today

[tame gust]

lookin at my player stats.
156 Sync Pairs. Huh, fairly more than I was expecting.

[hollow quarry]

Zinnia doing 113k damage with her sync move is hilarious

[civic trellis]

I usually just use water frogs w cmarnie but now im using their water grids (for 2 smun on sync from ccalem) and cuz I only seitch to dark cserena for rebuff

[proud axle]

They said "No Swiping"
They didn't say "No Sniping"

🔫🦊

[balmy lotus]

they lacked imagination so they got deleted

[storm quest]

Today is my day 50!

[civic trellis]

Swiper no swiping

[crystal notch]

whoa how

[tame gust]

...omg I just realized I didn't have Zinnia's actual grid activated during my agatha fight and yet she still ruined that old hag's day!

[crystal notch]

with dark zone?

rebuff?

[hollow quarry]

Both

[crystal notch]

seun?

one day I shall be able to do these nukes

with my faves

[proud axle]

Zinnia somehow makes the Chuuni lifestyle work

[crystal notch]

[hollow quarry]

Full sync nuke grid with dark zone and rebuff everything at +6 thanks to Night Slash stealing the stats from 5 stats +3

[storm quest]

I'm foaming at the mouth waiting

[balmy lotus]

i do love my sync nukes

[hollow quarry]

5/5 btw. I got really lucky getting her to 3/5 then had two candies waiting to use on her

[daring osprey]

Agatha or Lance for round 3

[civic trellis]

I love doing like 112k w ss wally and 20k per giga impact with honse

[crystal notch]

don't tempt me

I want to do flinch memes too

[swift swan]

Doesn't matter much

The slower team goes to R4

That's all

[hollow quarry]

Flinch seemed funny but I ended up K’Oing too fast with sync move even with a more Crunch focused grid to take advantage of it

So I just decided to go all in on the sync move

[crystal notch]

oh not for on type

for off type memeing

[hollow quarry]

Oh fair lmao

[crystal notch]

to be fair, too many enemy TMs these days to delay it too long

[hollow quarry]

She probably still destroys off type

[crystal notch]

whoever introduced me to flinch gaming

thanks for introducing me to rng gaming

I'd like an in depth overview of it

[north crown]

Heheheha

[hollow quarry]

Lyra is funny with guaranteed flinches

[crystal notch]

like who gets to move if left and mid is flinched, should be right side (?)

how long do flinches last, probably three our team moves

couldn't give zinnia dauntless (cookie luck where)

[grand steppe]

flinches last in seconds, there is no turn duration

[crystal notch]

so had to resort to cyrus + winona flinch gaming

for dragon weak lance

[swift swan]

Move order before mid syncs is: mid, right, mid, left, repeat

[crystal notch]

yeah but if mid is flinched when right is flinched I saw that they just skip mid

[swift swan]

So if you flinch one opponent, the next one queueing will be the next one in the order

[grand steppe]

flinches/denials are a good strategy for getting more points in cs, no shame in it.

[north crown]

I deny all the time

[daring osprey]

I realized I wasn’t doing 2,5

SIGHH

[swift swan]

So that means the first flinch hasn't worn off yet

[crystal notch]

yeah

[swift swan]

Some stages have lower flinch resistance than others

[crystal notch]

that's the kind of thing I want to learn

[daring osprey]

Oh well gonna complete it and the. Redo it

[crystal notch]

I already know the basic mid -> right -> mid -> left -> mid -> mid tm -> mid sync

[daring osprey]

Wait Nevermind

[swift swan]

Like Sages said, flinch lasts in seconds depending on their flinch resistance. After a while it's just intuitive for me

[tame gust]

oh yeah, HUUUGE difference after I turned her actual grid on. damn that sync is spicy

[crystal notch]

noted

[grand steppe]

So, in champion stadium when you flinch an enemy if they have a trainer move available they will immediately use it, you'll notice that the window is so small that it appears as if its almost instant.
What you should try to do is queue the flinch move as the last queued move in your turn order, so that your other two pairs get free reign, otherwise you can attempt to slow the game down and spam a move with the flincher to try and sneak a queue in, this doesn't always work.

[daring osprey]

Okay lance is destroying my dragon team owwwch

[swift swan]

It's hard to flinchlock a 3v3 stage if you're only running a single flincher because once you flinch one, the other opponent will immediately queue before you can fire off your second flinch. Though even managing to flinch once can be a huge help.

The exception to this is SS Lyra, because not only does she flinch, she confuses and traps. The longer animation allows her to queue another grassy glide to the opponent that is about to queue

[daring osprey]

Ss Leon ss brendan and Lucas

[swift swan]

Idk how you got destroyed there... What's the problem exactly

[tame gust]

cries in trying to flinch lock to stall enemy sync counter only to eat shit because trainer moves

[swift swan]

Eventually they'll run out of TMs and you will be able to get a few meaningful flinches

[tame gust]

by that point their counter's already to the point of one more TM and they nuke

[daring osprey]

Brendan almost dies before I can LP so I have to heal instead of debuffing

[swift swan]

Hmm, were you just unlucky with hard hitting moves? Maybe refrain from using dragon zone too early because it'll power up Lance too

My brendan didn't die too quickly

[tame gust]

okay tim to mess around in the special CS... and I just see that I did Bruno R1 at a 2k set.. hm.

trying to think who's safe to go at for rounds 3 and 4. I know Grimsley is a negative on round 4

[swift swan]

I don't think anyone is a huge negative R4. Maybe bertha because she buffs crit for all allies

[crystal notch]

ah, ok, learnt a new thing

[tame gust]

oh wait, isn't grass weak grimsley phyiscal attacks? Could do him round 3 maybe.

[swift swan]

At the end of the day it depends more on your teams than the opponents' gimmicks

[daring osprey]

Realizes he also is using dragon so I buff with Brendan use Leon’s enteral power use lucas it’s our time use Leon’s max move debuff with Brendan sync with Brendan

[tame gust]

Lorelei gets crit shield after sync. so that's annoying if I go at her for r4..

[swift swan]

Did you manage to get 2 syncs in before Lance, at least?

[swift swan]

Uh, which lorelei

Grass weak lorelei has no crit shield

That's last week's fighting-weak

[tame gust]

grass weak ii--Ohh right, I was dealing with fighting weak and that's why I was half triggered.

[daring osprey]

Nope

As soon as Lance syncs Lucas dies

[swift swan]

Well that's a problem. Let me check if SS Leon can somehow lower sync countdown. Your using max move might be the issue

Oh huh, he can

[swift swan]

What params are you using?

[daring osprey]

2/5 Lucas 3/5 ss Leon 3/5 ss Brendan btw

[swift swan]

💀

That's a looot of HP

And you didn't even pick standard dmg reduction when you're ontyping

[swift swan]

Also did you not pick up the physical and special shields? Those are free 100 pts

[crystal notch]

did you know we have suggested params

in the pins

[daring osprey]

Yeah it was a suggested one I just picked because I was using the same team for another round so I just stuck with it

[grand steppe]

I recorded a demonstration of a strategy using flinch denials, and how showcase how the turn order progresses.
This is without quad queueing.

Note: Ignore that this is SS Lyra and pretend she's any generic flincher.

Notice, how I'm not rushing to queue a move with my flincher, this is intentional I want to have her queue in the next rotation so her flinch is last. This allows me to reach my 2nd sync without any kind of sync acceleration.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1011736960701829191/1097561004575031406/6EFAC282-C99F-4464-ABFF-AFE42AB85AF9.mov

[swift swan]

..and no damage reduction shields? Please tell me you took it and I just didn't see it in the screenshots

[crystal notch]

will watch later when I'm not on a group call

[swift swan]

Those are free 100 pts, no reason not to pick when it gets bypassed by crit anyway

[crystal notch]

appreciated btw

[swift swan]

Also keep in mind parameters are very much team-reliant, now with 12.5k more than ever. Always pay attention to your params

[forest thunder]

Should I be struggling with this.
Params are the recommended ones 2.5k on type post sync

Can’t clear it to save my life

[daring osprey]

I copied it from successful teams that’s all

[toxic cobalt]

Uh don’t use drake.

Use Cyrus and presync

[daring osprey]

But I also guess post sync would be useful here?

[swift swan]

What a fitting background music

[swift swan]

Oh wow even worse

The successful teams feature is... Imma be blunt here. Not very useful

[forest thunder]

Like this then ?

[swift swan]

You can presync easy

[toxic cobalt]

Yes

[forest thunder]

Cool cool thanks

I’ll brb and give it a try

[daring osprey]

It worked

Blue is poison stall clearable?

[swift swan]

Sure, but he has sync cure so you need to reapply poison after he syncs

[daring osprey]

I see

[forest thunder]

phew

did it thanks

Alright guess I’m gonna need help on all of them this week

Brendan just isn’t hitting hard

[toxic cobalt]

Give him some speed what are SS Leaf and Dawn doing

Can give him some sun too if you want

[forest thunder]

leaf is putting bad poison

and potion

dawn just to tank i guess

[keen jasper]

He needs sun and speed

[forest thunder]

lyra ?

Only have these two for sun

[keen jasper]

Blaine is fine

[forest thunder]

should i keep the tank as dawn or change it to ss leaf

[keen jasper]

Remove SS Leaf, save her for Blue

[forest thunder]

alr

[north crown]

That’s if they have gridded Brendan. Are they gridded?

[keen jasper]

Good question, hey @forest thunder is your Brendan gridded?

[forest thunder]

yeah

[keen jasper]

Show me your grid

[hearty lynx]

i won!!!

[forest thunder]

oh i need to change it actually

[hearty lynx]

against bertha

phew what a struggle

[forest thunder]

im changing it to this https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/1900/25400?s=3&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBgkMDRAeISgpKi0

[hearty lynx]

2 to go phew

[forest thunder]

oh btw @keen jasper should i do post or pre sync

[keen jasper]

Brendan's damage is very strong so pre-sync

[forest thunder]

I dunno at this point

[north crown]

why did you not max crit?

[forest thunder]

tried to get the leaf storm in

[north crown]

why did you not triple queue? (If gauge problems, bring speed support)

bruh LS damage doesn't matter if it's not crit

did you even play victory road? they literally state that crits do way more damage

[jagged hawk]

[keen jasper]

Yeah, there are a lot of mistakes you did that Nitsua just mentioned

[north crown]

also about speed, it also gives brendan a damage boost, so idk why you weren't giving him speed

[keen jasper]

Replace Dawn for a speed buffer

Also having a speed buffer really helps your gauges

[mellow linden]

If Skyla or Lodge Dawn (the one with Wormadam) is available one of them would be a no-brainer

[keen jasper]

Probably Lodge Dawn since she has Team Sharp Entry

[mellow linden]

Yeah, probably

[keen jasper]

And Brendan only needs to use Dire Hit+ once

[forest thunder]

Used Skyla dont have Lodge dawn

[mellow linden]

Can try Marley then

[crystal notch]

can we see your roster tbh

[mellow linden]

Can be gridded to max Speed and have Team Sharp Entry

[crystal notch]

at this point we're guessing what you have or don't have

[forest thunder]

just supports or all of it

[mellow linden]

In this case we’d only need to see Supports

[toxic cobalt]

Gridded Marley is the way to go I reckon

[crystal notch]

who knows...maybe you have some busted supports you think are underwhelming

[forest thunder]

Skyla is the only one I’ve used

[mellow linden]

Marley’s probably best here

[tame gust]

tmw my Gardenia doesn't have dauntless so can't abuse Leafstorm vs Grimsly,

[mellow linden]

Also, why is Hop 4/5

[forest thunder]

I play the game on and off a lot

[crystal notch]

...his move copies is on legendary adventures

for free

it's a permanent mode

[mellow linden]

The final copy is permanently available, yeah

[forest thunder]

I’ll do it later then

[swift swan]

I hope they're 20/20 too at least

[forest thunder]

[mellow linden]

Go do Legendary Adventures ASAP

[grand steppe]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/949078726228987954/1011036031904125009/IMG_6910.jpg

[keen jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/shia-la-beouf-just-do-it-motivation-gif-9226712

JK

[forest thunder]

alright

im gonna record this again and you guys tell me what im doing wrong here

[keen jasper]

Go ahead

[keen jasper]

Why are you not triple queueing?

[mellow linden]

Marley needs her grid, for one

Also not triple queueing

[forest thunder]

explain

[mellow linden]

+triplequeue

[frozen depot]

In Pokemon Masters, the battles revolve around using your Sync Move as fast as possible.
Using moves will reduce its cooldown, which is also the case for the opponent!
This is why you always want all your pairs on the field to have moves queue'd.
Have 3 ally moves in between each 1 enemy move, even at the start!
After 9 moves, you can wait to queue your Sync.

See this quick footage for how to Triple Queue :
https://tinyurl.com/triplequeue101

For more beginner infos, check our #1010307000346878062.

[swift swan]

Instructions unclear, people will fail to notice the meme and proceed to exchange

[forest thunder]

right so i should always use a move when free

[mellow linden]

Turned on Physical Damage Reduction 8 and nerfed Brendan’s Sync damage unnecessarily, it looks like

[swift swan]

Here's a friendly reminder that triplequeue is taught in Victory Road and I urge everyone to not skip it

[mellow linden]

Make sure you watch the video since it explains how to handle your Sync Move with triple queue as well

[keen jasper]

Imagine skipping the rewards from Victory Road

[crystal notch]

yeah, you should check your params

[forest thunder]

yeah youre right i did

[tame gust]

yeah, R3 Grimsley is kicking my arse right now. .-.

[crystal notch]

yeah, generally even if the move is utterly useless/does little damage, it's still better than not queueing at all

[tame gust]

tried Gardenia, Blaine, SS Brendan, but while I'm able to kill Grimsley in time, the sides murk me.

[keen jasper]

And again, triple queue

[swift swan]

Step 1: Skip cutscenes explaining crucial gameplay info
Step 2: Get stumped in the final battle
Step 3: Ask for a tutorial to beat the tutorial

[keen jasper]

[silent quail]

[tame gust]

I'm trying to hold off on SS Erika as anti Cerena measures, but I'm just getting annoyed at this point.

[swift swan]

Hi stdk

[keen jasper]

Have you done Bertha?

[north crown]

honestly just use her on bertha. worse case scenario you poison stall cserena

[tame gust]

hmm, true. It's Grimsley that's being the problem now and then I'll have to endure Bertha R4. Or I could switch it to Grims R4 and go ahead and try to kill Bertha in broad daylight.

[dark osprey]

Can try side denials

[keen jasper]

Good luck with Serena if she does Water Shuriken

[crystal notch]

might as well switch to bertha on R3

[crystal notch]

surprisingly she doesn't hurt

on poison stall params

granted, I used my sycamore

[keen jasper]

That is to be expected

[crystal notch]

but it was a non EX PBd

sycamore

I detested blue more with hurricane

[keen jasper]

Did you have Power On Hit?

When you did poison stall?

[crystal notch]

of course not, poison stall doesn't take power on hit

[tame gust]

I was going to try to use Sycamore on Grimsley, so I'll probably have to shift to post-sync params on him.

[keen jasper]

Yeah, OFC Water Shuriken doesn't hurt on poison stall, you literally only take the defensive parameters

[mellow linden]

Tbf if it had been before the new parameters got added Water Shuriken probably could have been nasty even on stall params

[forest thunder]

is it better to use bullet seed > leaf storm since im doing special damage red. 8

[keen jasper]

Just to be sure, each hit of Water Shuriken is affected by Power On Hit right?

[keen jasper]

Leaf Storm is better DPS

[north crown]

Why would you use bs?

[dark osprey]

Just gardenia side denials with leaf storm sde2 and charging sun

[north crown]

Both the move and the literary acronym

[mellow linden]

Don’t use Physical Damage Reduction 8 or Special Damage Reduction 8 with Brendan

He relies too heavily on both damage categories

[forest thunder]

what should i replace th 100points wwith

[north crown]

Strength?

[mellow linden]

What parameters in the pins (if any) are you using as a base?

[forest thunder]

on type pre sync

[keen jasper]

Or Tech Takes x3 Damage

[forest thunder]

2.5k

[mellow linden]

Can do No Stat Reductions then since your team doesn’t use debuffs anyways

And make sure to grid Marley

[crystal notch]

yes? I meant this as "if all else fails, just poison stall cerena, water shuriken isn't a problem there"

[grand steppe]

pre-sync without support any ex is going to be pretty challenging esp since Brendan's a striker

[dark osprey]

May need a double striker

[grand steppe]

Pre-sync with a tech is more feasiable, but with just blaine its not enough damage.

[dark osprey]

Can do with silver maybe

[grand steppe]

and definitely not going to do pre-sync unless you get the hang of triple queueing.

[dark osprey]

PB silver and Brendan together is kinda manageable I guess

[forest thunder]

alright im getting closer

[keen jasper]

You're triple queueing right?

[forest thunder]

yeah

i'll show you

[grand steppe]

is this kanto lorelei or special cs lorelei?

[forest thunder]

I’m thinking I could’ve used sun earlier probably

[forest thunder]

Kanto

oops i used bs by accident

[grand steppe]

You have Special Damage reduction turned on.

[forest thunder]

didnt realise

[keen jasper]

Ok, when you synced with Brendan, make sure you save some gauges for him

[forest thunder]

im sure i turned it off

yeah its off

[keen jasper]

Because you used Fire Spin and Flame Wheel while Brendan had 0 gauges to deal damage

And you can also probably quadqueue

[grand steppe]

your leaf storm did 880 damage with full buffs.

[keen jasper]

Technically, with +4 speed but yeah

[forest thunder]

oh

you mean the 50 point one

[grand steppe]

no, that is ignored by crit

[keen jasper]

The 100 point one

[forest thunder]

no its not on

[keen jasper]

Special Damage Reduction 8?

[grand steppe]

did you go all in on strength?

[keen jasper]

Can we see your full parameters?

[tame gust]

Bertha down. Now for Grimsley r4.

[keen jasper]

Grimsley too easy

[tame gust]

advice for him then? since he's not been playing nice.

actually, wait, I could technically just off type him with SC Zinnia maybe?

[keen jasper]

Change Max HP +2 to Atk./Sp. Atk +1 and Interference Immunity

[keen jasper]

You can, but you'd have to change Standard Damage Reduction

[tame gust]

true.

[jagged hawk]

Is there a bot command on the 4 move queue whatever that mechanic is called. Where you like sneak a move after sync or something

[keen jasper]

You mean quadqueueing? It's really all on the timing

[north crown]

Can you grid tm pep rally on marley?

[keen jasper]

Also Team Sharp Entry

[north crown]

Oh yeah

[keen jasper]

So that Brendan doesn't waste 3 turns setting up

[mellow linden]

I'm not certain if there's specifically a command, but yeah, it's pretty much what caster said

[north crown]

And also max leaf storm turn 3

[toxic cobalt]

Eh presync leaf storm isn’t doing too much

[north crown]

It’s still damage so

[forest thunder]

Yeah I just got it now since I’m low on orbs

[tame gust]

well, SS Erika's been spent. trying to see grass dps options. I think the only other grass DPS I have that's been gridded is Gardenia and she wasn't doing the trick. I guess with less HP I'd have a better shot of winning but the main issue I have is lack of dauntless and the fact that one rockslide from grimsley's side nukes me.

[keen jasper]

I'd change Terrify for Team Hit and Heal

[crystal notch]

with sc zinn FSU 3 is at least free-ish

so you just need to scrounge up 200 more points

[grand steppe]

I'm not sure how that LS only hit for 800 with those params. Even with 105 strength it should've hit for around 5k

[north crown]

Special dmg reduc point

[grand steppe]

in fact 0.2 times the average leafstorm roll, is around 800. You likely forgot to switch the parameters before recording.

[grand steppe]

It was a critical hit.

[frosty axle]

even with non crit the damage would still be a lot more

[north crown]

I meant the one with 8… nvm they don’t havt that either

[grand steppe]

it's on-type, but yeah they had it on during that specific recording

[forest thunder]

Think I’m missing just a lil something here

But it’s definitely better

[toxic cobalt]

Hey that’s pretty good

Try again, but as you are syncing spam that leaf storm button

You want to hit it exactly as your sync move damage buff finishes

[north crown]

Slight optimization: you are using sunny day too early - use sunny day before leaf storm

[forest thunder]

got it

[forest thunder]

so should i go brendan>blaine>marley instead of bren>marl>blain

[north crown]

Also perhaps you could hold off on blaine’s tm to save gauges for brendan on your sync. He doesn’t really gain much from tm anyways

[forest thunder]

just so i can get sunny day before ls

[north crown]

Also use marley’s tm on your sync turn

[forest thunder]

alright

[north crown]

Marley blaine brendan

Bruhh what did I just say about s day before ls

[toxic cobalt]

Is it worth Sunny daying before first sync at all? I’d use it as Blaine’s third

[north crown]

Blaine’s third turn or Blaine third on turn queue?

[crystal notch]

we need to standardize this terminology one day

[void wyvern]

Glossary my beloved

[north crown]

to anyone that genuinely doesn't know what they're referring to, it's a thread in #1006331343300473022

[forest thunder]

i think im gonna come back to this one after

[tame gust]

bleeh. able to kill him pre-sync but the sides are still causing problems.

[forest thunder]

gonna do bruno instead i think

[tame gust]

meh I'm only interested in 11k for this CS anyway. gonna tune him down a bit.

[grand steppe]

even if you kill lorelei with +9 strength pre-sync sides will kill brendan

[forest thunder]

yeah i noticed cause shes just using surf now

and it does him in 2 hits

[north crown]

perhaps they could stall turns with sleep?

didn't suggest this earlier since a sun build usually works, but

[forest thunder]

Bruno

[north crown]

oh wtf you have maxie?

why did you not use him as a sun setter?

[forest thunder]

figured id need him for this

[north crown]

also his master passive helps tank physical hits

yeah you should've used him earlier when you were slotting in a sun setter

[forest thunder]

i still can i havent done it

but who would i use for bruno

[north crown]

that is a good question

idk how potent may earth power is

haven't used it in a long time

[crystal notch]

She's ex and 5/5

She probably has the grid

[forest thunder]

yeah full grid

[north crown]

no idk how good it actually preforms

as the only time I used an earth power build was when I kept it as a mudkip for gauge management

or you could offtype bruno

[north crown]

ex doesn't matter for ontype damage, unless you use her to offtype

which is totally feasible with her maxed out

[forest thunder]

These are my strikers

[crystal notch]

Because its overkill?

I wanna know

[forest thunder]

And I have SS N

A personal favourite

[north crown]

I mean maybe the ex stats would help earth power, but it doesn't really matter in the long run

[crystal notch]

True ig

Her sync is water right

So there's that

To consider

[north crown]

at this point you should send your whole roster

[grand steppe]

+tracker

[frozen depot]

https://pomasters.github.io/SyncPairsTracker/

For newcomers/beginners, check the video below on how to properly showcase your pairs : https://i.imgur.com/A0XcAgZ.mp4

[north crown]

I'm also considering the fact that she megas, which might help earth power

[forest thunder]

yeah it ups her spatk

[north crown]

but is it worth over using a support ex?

[north crown]

also use this

if you're sharing a roster

[forest thunder]

yeah i'll try do it quick

[north crown]

rq? bro if you're doing it for the first time, give it max half hour

[tame gust]

annd done. Just toxic camped Serena. 1k points off from cap but eh, 5 spirits and a certificate doesn't feel worth.

I'm fine with 11.5k for special CS

So glad I got tech Nidoqueen for a second venom drencher.

[crystal notch]

...I just realized

Next monrh

I have to wait a week

Before I get to play CSMM

Because of 18 type medal

NOOOOO

[tame gust]

well, at least think of it this way: with the knowledge you have now, getting the medals will be a snap, crackle, pop.

[crystal notch]

True

[tame gust]

Colress' AoE double defense drop Screech is funny

[crystal notch]

Do you think they'll make a colress alt

For AloVA

[tame gust]

Science boi ain't that lucky.

[crystal notch]

He's in a list of favs I want

[crystal notch]

I'll cope with green sherlock dog for now

[keen jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/colress-i-disagree-pokemon-gif-19071080

[north crown]

@crystal notch about getting type medals, a strat I do is to check next week's weaknesses, and plan my types ahead of time to accomedate those types.

e.g: say the kanto cs is just starting, and we're just given the current infographic. I would avoid fighting, flying, ghost, fairy, and rock as much as possible in this scenario, at least until I got the majority of the teambuilding handled.

[crystal notch]

Noted

Did 14/18 and 4/18 for this month

So

I don't think I'll have issues but I'll keep it in mind

[keen jasper]

When will Galar CS happen?

[tame gust]

Galar never had a true E4 did it?

I just realized I only did one on-type clear for the special CS.. lmao

[keen jasper]

It only had a tourney system

[keen jasper]

12.5k?

[zealous karma]

Wow lots of poison stalling it truly is free wins for a newer player

I saw that for. Less than a second

[tame gust]

Whoops

Censor ate it

11.5k on the clear. Probably could’ve done 2.5k on Bruno but Grimsley was being an arse so I tuned him down by removing STR6

[lunar meadow]

Should have done a 15 grass type clear.

[tame gust]

You assume I have that many grass types

[zealous karma]

Bruno was beinr annoying with that team

[tame gust]

No. He was being annoying before that team

[lunar meadow]

I did it with only 2 limited grass types.

Only one of them was important 😉

[forest thunder]

@north crown @crystal notch done sorry for the wait

[tame gust]

The birds came out because he asked for it. I think I just forgot to upgrade past 2k. Idk I started the CS, got busy and then finally came back to it today

[zealous karma]

You have quite a few good off typers in
Cyrus + Lucas
AniRaihan + Leon
AniMay + Gio
And N/Elesa + Volkner

[forest thunder]

ive used skyla, cryrus and lucas already everything else is unused

[zealous karma]

O@alright

None of your units are EX’d?

[forest thunder]

oh oops

didnt know i could do that

i don thave many

[zealous karma]

Oh alright just wanted to make sure

[forest thunder]

i can get an image of it rq

[zealous karma]

(Right click is to Ex idk what it is ok mobile$

[tame gust]

out of the fights, Grimsley was the one that ticked me off because I had to keep resetting for him to use X Atk All for Zinni to steal.

[junior crown]

you can do full poison stall

should be even easier to plan it than plan a full offtype or grass team

[zealous karma]

You could’ve taken 5 stats up param

Free points for sczinnia

[tame gust]

oh shiet, u right.

[forest thunder]

those are the ones

[zealous karma]

Ty

[north crown]

i forgot if this was hard mode or mm

oh wait mm you showed points

[forest thunder]

Using this to off type who should be the main damager

Yeah mm

[tame gust]

your main dps is Gio imo. He does the funny big numbers.

[north crown]

1st of all bring a spatk support. technically ssblue is but it's rng and also he's really good so save for a more problematic stage

iirc giovanni can nuke sides to turn deny

[tame gust]

oh yeah, that's true. Gio needs a Sp.Atk buffer since he can't buff it himself.

[forest thunder]

That is true forgot about that

[hearty lynx]

Is gio even good offtype

[north crown]

if giovanni's nuke can't deny sides, use turn 3 moves on left

yes

especially so if paired with annimay

[forest thunder]

May raises all spatk tho

By 2

[north crown]

but you want to use her tm and wish

also without mpr it's only +4 by turn 2

[forest thunder]

Alright

[tame gust]

if Bruno wasn't physical I'd suggest Blissey, but that's not the world we live in

[north crown]

if you are banking on giovanni nuke denial, you could do:

xspall, xspall, tm, wish (sync same turn as wish to deny)

that way you don't need a good spatk buffer, and could just focus on a decent that that could live 4 turns minimum

Also ty for reminding me of AnniMay; I would have probably autopilot my teambuilding to Bianca 😂

[forest thunder]

Loool

I’m trying to get all hoenn pairs so I wouldn’t forget

[north crown]

wait this is offtype... well at least there's next week ontype

eh I could probably fuck around and do off

smidget of advice: don't use rosa for this, as giovanni is already hogging sync. You could saver her supp ex for anotehr stage if need be

[forest thunder]

So maybe her then

[north crown]

if youre' not planning to use her tm for round 4, perhaps

oh wait the params changed

man my brain is going real slow today

[forest thunder]

Should I pre or post sync for it

[north crown]

do you ned to ask? pre

[forest thunder]

im just trying to learn lol

[lunar meadow]

I always post sync

Rotom sync acceleration helps you to get two syncs quickly though

[forest thunder]

would you use the tm pre or post sync tho

[lunar meadow]

Both

I would use breathtaking once pre-sync to get +1 crit on Mewtwo and speed up the first sync cycle.

I'd sync first with Rotom for the EX buff (because I EX most supports) and then use breathtaking on Mewtwo post-sync to cap his crit.

Mewtwo would get the second sync to clear the field

[hearty lynx]

what do you need for serena

i saw she raises her speed in tips so a debuffer?

[lunar meadow]

To fight against Serena in the grass type CS?

She buffs, so debuffing her is strong.

Both her speed and Satk buffs can cause you problems if she gets off a sync move, so resetting those or debuffing through them is good.

[hearty lynx]

hmm alright

[forest thunder]

tbh mewtwo can give crit with tm

[north crown]

yeah you don't need sselesa, heck you could probably bring an eggmon and the team comp would probably worked

[tame gust]

So does Cerena pull out shuriken pre sync?

Since when I was doing toxic stall she only used it post

[subtle forge]

She usually does, yeah

I guess you just got lucky

[latent eagle]

How this for CS MM?

[junior crown]

With ChMarnie it's better to put a tanker and if possible galar pairs to boost the master pair passive, she doesn't need any buff, if you want to keep the theme skills use Piers for example

Using BP Surge AND Hilbert doesn't makes sense too

better to put a tanker instrad of BP Surge

[latent eagle]

Sibling duo pog

[junior crown]

On Champ I don't know if it's a poison stall or damage with Koga, but any of those it seems weird

You want poison stall or damage with koga?

[latent eagle]

Kinda just threw two supports bc it’s SST red

[latent eagle]

Damage, Sync nuke koga

[junior crown]

Ok so I'd sub normal janine for a tanker too

that gives crit and if possible SPA

[hearty lynx]

10k in special cs!

only serena left now

[junior crown]

unless you have sharp entry on BP janine or want MPR on Koga

[latent eagle]

New teams, what order should I do the rounds?

[mellow linden]

Only real thing of note is to be careful about who you pick for round 2 since it’s boosted physical damage

[void wyvern]

Be wary of Bruno and Lance who like physical moves.

[trail smelt]

It’s funny because the one move Bruno did to me this CS was just dragon breath haha

[mellow linden]

Oh right, he has that move

I forgot about that, he never used it on today’s run

[forest thunder]

OH

is that why hes eating my ass

makes sense

i always forget to check the round params

[civic trellis]

Did not know onix could use it tbh

[storm quest]

Yay 12.5k

Praise be to poison stall

Realizing I probably could have off-typed one with cMarnie, but off-type feels so oppressive to me with the new parameters for some reason

That all said, I didn't poison stall Serena. Took a few tries but I'm actually happy with myself for making it work lol. Victor is mean.

[quaint solar]

Someone explain to me why the he'll am I getting 1 nuked on all stages. 😡

[void wyvern]

Show us your params

[quaint solar]

Physical Damage Reduction
Strength 1
Sync Buff 5
Max HP 2
Power on Hit 1
Gradual Healing on Start
Strength 2
Power on Hit 2
Strength 3
Ally Move Gauge Max -2
Standard Damage Reduction 8
Strength 6

[mellow linden]

Looks like you’re using pre-Sync parameters and not KOing before enemy Sync

So uh, pretty much expected

…Why does Silver not have any offensive buffs besides crit

Because you’re not gonna be winning any time soon if you don’t, y’know, buff your damage-dealer

Also those parameters are wonky in general, you can definitely make some easy substitutes to reduce the enemy’s damage/bulk

[quaint solar]

Hw got buffed by sun and speed.
Another is that videos showing doing 4K per solar beam and I am only doing 2K.
Stacking Strength and power on Hit parameters I have being using for the longest so idk why its a freaking problem starting last week

[mellow linden]

Sun doesn’t boost Solar Beam’s damage, and Silver has no Sp. Atk. buffs

So he’s gonna hit like a wet paper bag

[crystal notch]

Sun only makes solar beam take one turn instead of two

+12 strength enemy ( a whopping 120 levels raised from base) , +0 sp atk silver

Yeah you're not killing the enemy on time

[mellow linden]

Strength 12, even

[crystal notch]

You do realize the enemy has essentially 120 additional levels of sp def, attack, and health right (really its 120 additional levels of everything)

[tired sleet]

You’re making it sound worse than it actually is

12 strength is relatively manageable, even if it is 120 levels

[crystal notch]

True

[mellow linden]

It’s admittedly not that high of a bulk increase, but with a Silver who’s not getting the buffs he needs it’s still too high

[crystal notch]

But this guy has max hp 2 and power on hit 1 and 2 on and 0 sp atk ho oh

It's snowballing probably

Tbh yeah he can probably +6 sp atk ho oh and the 120 levels become manageable

[mellow linden]

While there might be better options available (hard to say given various factors), at the very least actually giving Silver his needed buffs will increase the damage significantly

[crystal notch]

Which means either getting rid of blaine, or getting rid of skyla

Does Blaine have sp atk boosts

[mellow linden]

Skyla ideally would be the one who’s changed out since Sun is extremely important for Silver, especially on a Solar Beam build

[crystal notch]

With enough damage silver can use his own sync sun but eh

That forces the team to nuke the other team in under 9 moves since we then don't have a sun for first sync cycle

[mellow linden]

It’ll probably depend on what options are available for replacing Skyla (or other teammates depending on who they have)

[zinc island]

Did anyone also do triple crobat this week on blue?

[old orchid]

Is there something wrong with that team? It should destroy Blue easily

[worn tusk]

who should i replace with sc steven

[zealous karma]

If you have SSEirika can use her

[swift swan]

why would you replace him? that team looks solid. well, unless you have a grassy terrain user, you can replace him with that

nothing wrong with brendan as a single damage dealer

[worn tusk]

brendan way too fragile

[zealous karma]

With SSMorty?

[worn tusk]

i max his defense

and i died to surf

[zealous karma]

Perhaps you have to many offensive parameters

And surf is special lel

[worn tusk]

im using the on type presync params shown in pin

[swift swan]

did you accidentally take the strike sync pairs take x3 damage

[worn tusk]

no

[zealous karma]

My Brendan only took 200 damage from Lorelei’s surf

He’s also lvl 120

https://streamable.com/ivc99j

It’s certainly doable I got a bit unlucky at the end there

[fringe valve]

The pasio cs doesn't refresh?

[zealous karma]

Nope

[fringe valve]

Dang, I hope they do more of these special challenges then

[swift swan]

It won't refresh, it'll just... Go away once it's done

[zealous karma]

They have 5 NC’s to go through and Iris so we’ll prolly seem mkre

[proud axle]

Remember how level-up growths plummet to nearly flatline after Lv100? Strength+X doesn't actually give a lot of stats, in terms of bulk. It's almost all in attack power.

+12 Strength is ~50% more HP and ~46% more defenses. Slightly more than double the baseline effective bulk

It's the attack power you gotta watch out for

One of the "nicer" things about Strength is that they stack additively. Having +11 Str and then putting the last +1 on, is a microscopic increase; contrast stacking all the HP modifiers except for the smallest one... if you do add the smallest one, it's still a sizeable increase because they're multiplicative

Cramming HP 2+4+6+8 is... Uhhhh, wow

Just under 5x as much HP

And it's not even worth as many points as Str 12

[swift swan]

Strength is easy and comfortable. Don't let Strength 12 scare you

[zealous karma]

Strength 12 mu beloved

[toxic cobalt]

The lazy params

[civic trellis]

2380 offenses tho

[proud axle]

Yeah, I ain't gonna lie, that is concerning

That's more than Atk 1+3+5 together (at Str 0)

[dark osprey]

Atk 1,3,5 used to be the go to parameters back in 1.5K times

[proud axle]

When I try to get something similar to Str 12, using only direct-stat-modifiers, it's only worth 650 points

[dark osprey]

But was sometimes not comfortable by the lower rated tanks

[zealous karma]

I rarely notice that lel

[grand steppe]

Power on Hit 3 rears its ugly head into the room.

[proud axle]

Maybe when the cap is raised to 15k

Power On Hit 1+2+3

[trail smelt]

I forget what power on hit 1 and 2 gives

[zealous karma]

That’s what I run lel

[grand steppe]

It works in a similar way to & but it works on all damage sources.
Everytime each individual user successfully attacks (with any attack not just moves, yes sync & max moves would be increased) their given a 0.1 multiplier individually (it doesn't affect all allies).
So Power On Hit 1 is 10%, 2 is 20%, both together is 30%.

2 hits 20/40/60%
3 hits 30/60/90%
4 hits 40/80/120%
etc

[swift swan]

but even with max attack, you need to add more strength to get 2.5k. So at the end of the day, full strength is safer

which is why it's good for postsyncs

[dark osprey]

i guess its possible without strength but completely offensive parameters but yeah not recommended mostly

also, i always wanted to know. post sync seems to be better done with presync paramaters (strength) right?

just need to survive the sync somehow

by defense buffs and offense debuffs if possible

[swift swan]

if presync parameters take strength, it's usually just strength 8 or 9 at max

I rarely do postsync but when I do, it's always strength 12. very comfortable

[dark osprey]

hmmm. so substitute the Power on hits then?

also was thinking. if its post sync why not take sync countdown -2?

[tulip python]

Gotta say, following the guide in the pins has been the best champion stadium runs I’ve had, even on Uber hard ones

So thanks 🙏 to whoever came up with it

[zealous karma]

Glad to hear

[grand steppe]

oh wow I feel touched

[dark osprey]

Wow. One of the few vocal ones. Need more like them

[austere quest]

Was sad no reset for the Neo Champion Stadium

[swift swan]

Sages needs more appreciation

[crystal notch]

hmmm, probably because you'll face +50% buffed enemies for...two hits vs original non-2 sync? which actually doesn't sound too bad (but maybe enemy starts spamming cruel moves e.g. blue hurricane or mega)
to be fair post sync means you don't have enough damage to kill the enemy quickly in the first place?...these are beginner guesses though

[grand trout]

After 2 weeks

Im beginning to get the hang of 12.5k

[dark osprey]

seems plausible. just thinking out loud. for me post sync is surviving the sync and then getting rid of them as early as possible after that. so like lesser bulk seems better for me but need some testing i guess

[toxic cobalt]

Depends how post the sync your win is I suppose

[dark osprey]

hmm. true. sometimes foes spam like 2 TMs at least so i guess there's a bit of time there

[toxic cobalt]

You probably don't want them getting two sync cycles in

[crystal notch]

lmao at that point...

[dark osprey]

yeah that seems to be the goal. but yeah they do get some deadly stuff after the sync like some crit buffs, stat buffs, weather etc.

[shut prawn]

Do you need to complete champion stadium mastermode to get the rewards

[toxic cobalt]

You get basic rewards for beating each stage

Then you get increasing amounts of rewards depending on the amount of points you add for each battle, to a maximum of 2.5k each battle

[meager agate]

and no matter what all rewards you get are once per week

:)

[crystal notch]

hmm

actually

thinking about it

should I use bulbasaur on blue instead

apparently it could do poison dps too

[old orchid]

better to use Roxie

[crystal notch]

noted

then I'll just nuke lorelei with bulbasaur

[crystal notch]

even at 1/5?

over looker?

...yes, my luck runs weird, my roxie is at 1/5

[trail smelt]

I don’t have Looker to compare

[toxic cobalt]

Poison dps is fine

Especially for presync

[crystal notch]

so, does this mean looker or roxie?

[toxic cobalt]

Probably not 1/5 Roxie

[old orchid]

so use LSycamore then

what move level is him btw?

[crystal notch]

looker? 1/5

[old orchid]

I mean Sycamore

[crystal notch]

LSycamore? I'll get him on reset

but I can get his copies

I have like...1.4k lodge stones

so 3/5

would koga not work?

I heard blue is pretty nasty to poison stall cause sync cure

[old orchid]

he is better than Sycamore ofc

if you can get him to 3/5

[trail smelt]

Koga is fantastic haha

[old orchid]

yeah Blue's Poison weak is a rare case which normal poison is better than bad poison for stall

[crystal notch]

for lorelei, or for blue?

[old orchid]

Blue

[toxic cobalt]

You have 3/5 Koga?

[crystal notch]

alright, I'll do lsycamore for lorelei and koga for blue

[crystal notch]

lemme check

...whoops, no

[toxic cobalt]

I didn't think so at 20 days

Hence why I reckon looker has the best chance

Although LSycamore seems fine

[toxic cobalt]

...Why are you using Lsycamore for Lerelei???

[crystal notch]

I dunno, grass on type? I reckon I can try xerneas sycamore stall instead

I honestly got LSyca just in case for pasio cs

But turns out he wasn't needed after all

[toxic cobalt]

Just solo with Sycamore

[crystal notch]

Yea

Post sync then?

I doubt horn leech can pre sync

[toxic cobalt]

ofc it's post sync lmao

[crystal notch]

Just making sure

[toxic cobalt]

Take the two shields, no status, no interference, strikex3, techx3, no stat reduction, ally healing down, half ally mp, special damage reduction, gradual healing, critcial hit, can't change zone, ally hp at start down, ally move gauge down, and standard damage reduction

then add HP

Use the tm first turn, then select the pair on the right and click horn leech for the rest of your life. The only thing you really need to watch out for is to not click horn leech if they are on the turn before their sync, so you can horn leech immediately after they queue their final move and thus be on full health for the sync.

[crystal notch]

Noted

He really doesn't care about triple queueing huh

Lemme just toss an extra sc steven for rebuff

[toxic cobalt]

You can't triple queue a solo

[crystal notch]

Yeah that's exactly what I meant

Since he's soloing

He's not gonna be syncing anymore

[toxic cobalt]

Still need to sync

[crystal notch]

As in, it won't be as fast

Because no triple queue

[toxic cobalt]

It's like 8 minutes

[crystal notch]

Ofc I'll still click sync

True

[crystal notch]

What else is that recup grid gonna do

[toxic cobalt]

I don't even use recup

Free Lorelei win

[crystal notch]

Yeah I won

Now for blue

Looker CBede EX?

Looker CBede EX Koga?

Looks redundant to me

Looker's rain boosts his speed

But I see that his sync multiple is based on atk

[late grove]

for looker you need to poison blue for nuke

furious brawn only power his moves not his sync

[crystal notch]

Noted

I understand that

[late grove]

np

[crystal notch]

This team works, somehow

Something is messing with my quadqueue (enemy moved queued before sync anim even plays out)

So I brought may tm to deal with it

[crystal notch]

May debuffs def guaranteed

The team folds like a paper to leaf storms but it's OK as long as I kill them before they kill me

[swift swan]

it's the round parameter

physical shield on entry

[crystal notch]

Ah

I thought it was just like the param shield

It's a field?

Didn't register what I read properly ig

[swift swan]

it's a field effect

[toxic cobalt]

It’s bad writing you have to know

[spring fable]

My Lucy sync didn’t one shot like I expected it to

[old orchid]

Emma

[hearty lynx]

water shuriken is so good

it wrecks me

[dark osprey]

That's why Ramos OP

[hearty lynx]

i got it!!!

12.5 k in special CS

what a ride

[swift swan]

[crystal notch]

Watched it, very useful, though looking at 1x speed is a bit painful

I'll probably set it at the second speed setting lmao

[worn tusk]

what params should i be using

[old orchid]

either pre sync or post sync

that team should clear pre sync without much trouble

[worn tusk]

its alot of trouble

[old orchid]

skill issue

what went wrong?

[worn tusk]

Idk they keep surf

[old orchid]

keep reseting until Lorelei stops spamming Surf

you were unlucky

[tribal agate]

that team should explode pre-sync "tank friendly"

are you certain you triple queue correctly?

and i'm not saying that as an exaggeration, that team is absolutely overkill

it's important to consider gameplay improvements when such cases fail, if you can give a recording we can help out with that

[worn tusk]

yeah

[crystal notch]

can you record your gameplay for us?

[keen jasper]

That team easily destroys

[lunar meadow]

Sceptile/Leafeon/Meganium has been a good post sync team for me for ages.

Since you don't have EX Sceptile or Leafeon, you should be going for Post Sync and using the ex support

Mo-Oh is just a significantly better ally than Meganium for post sync sun

[tribal agate]

you don't need post sync

Morty has Adrenaline 1 in grid

[north crown]

Post? Bruhhh
I mean ig it’s safer and more beginner freindly, but

[tribal agate]

it would take intentional skipping turns to post sync with that team

[lunar meadow]

I've never bothered with pre-sync 🤷‍♂️

All str params is a joke, with a good support

I also run monotype... So for a long time post-sync was the only way for a couple types lol

[tribal agate]

pre-sync is not just the params as the tank-friendly has a lot of STR
it's just the process of killing the mid opponent before they sync

which is fairly easy with a 5/5 SS Erika doing probably 8k per solar blade on an opponent with 30k health
usually easier on-type yes, off type has become quite beefy

[grand steppe]

That team is so strong it can clear +12 strength pre sync

[lunar meadow]

I love Leafeon/Sceptile combo

[keen jasper]

I wish my Brendan is 3/5

[hidden ore]

This okay for CSerena?

It worked for Blue, but idk for Serena

Want to use Sycamore against her

[swift swan]

Should be fine

[swift swan]

And with full HP for flex factor!

[grand steppe]

Why ball guy and not another grass type?

[trail smelt]

To poison I guess

[rotund lagoon]

Idk how good Ball Guy’s poison chance is, but I honestly think Janine/Lucy/Koga can work in that department too

Wait….no wonder I didn’t know, it’s one of three status conditions that can happen

[hidden ore]

I chose Ball Guy to clear Serena’s boosts

Not sure with Lillie for this

[swift swan]

Lillie's just a nice support period

[proud axle]

They are Leaf Blade Sync Move besties

(Honorable mention: Selene)

[swift swan]

Gotta love that innate +1 crit

[hidden ore]

Could use Rosa there or Dawn
Not sure now

Need to setup for Sycamore

[swift swan]

Dawn? OG Dawn?

[hidden ore]

Yes

[swift swan]

She does nothing to setup sycamore

[hidden ore]

Lodge too?

[swift swan]

Lillie covers sycamore's buffs just fine

Except speed from what I see

Sycamore probably wants faster speed buffs for his ramming speed

You can pick fast track on grid too ofc

[hidden ore]

The sides screw me up

Not sure about what parameters fit

[tribal agate]

this is still the Ch Serena attempt/team?

[hidden ore]

yup

same team

I avoid hp options mostly

[tribal agate]

which parameters did you use?

considering Lillie can max spdef for the team, the sides shouldn't be too hostile

and with both her and ball guy the sustain is ok as well

Sycamore should be good enough as well for damage especially with how invested he seems

[hidden ore]

use status conds + power on hits plus ome strenght mixed

[tribal agate]

i'd advise copying the pinned one pre-sync tank friendly with adaptation toward special dmg for Sycamore
does any of the support have Adrenaline 1 as lucky skill? Do you know how to quad queue perhaps?

if CSerena is syncing, then you can go for post sync parameters, however with that team pre-sync can be probably attempted

in any case, since both supports are EX, make sure you sync with them both to maximize that Leaf Storm output

[hidden ore]

Used modified presync ones, but idk how to adjust them for Sycamore

[tribal agate]

well Sycamore needs status condition (poison) so leave that off

and he's special dmg so pick physical dmg reduction

he's also on type so standard dmg option is free

[hidden ore]

i often use tech take damage

[tribal agate]

that's fine, no techs in that team

however

[dark osprey]

Also can take no zone terrain

[tribal agate]

he needs Speed

i don't think either Lillie / Ball Guy can help max it

he has Fast-Track 6 in grid, but you'd lose on damage

[hidden ore]

not sure abt max hp option

max hp +2

[tribal agate]

STR 1 is safer

lemme redo the grid

for that team comp