Champion Stadium

[noble plaza]

I mean, I assumed I would be using the max move at some point in this battle

[mellow linden]

Yeah, but having someone inflict it early can let you squeeze out some more damage

[noble plaza]

fair

[void wyvern]

You would, but it’s better to use it for its raw damage than its additional effects in this fight.

[noble plaza]

Mallow has teeter dance

[void wyvern]

Mallow has teeter dance, you can also use Sidney for brutal swing crit confuse.

[mellow linden]

If we wanna change Sabrina to someone else Will could work too

[noble plaza]

i already gridded Sabrina

[noble plaza]

oooo I never actually looked at Sidney's stuff, that is cool!

[mellow linden]

Fair enough

[toxic cobalt]

Let's not over-optimise a hard mode run four hours before reset

[noble plaza]

LMAO FAIR

[mellow linden]

Fair, I’m probably overthinking type medal

[noble plaza]

did it in one try!!! thanks for the help y'all!

[mellow linden]

Congrats!

[noble plaza]

I have the choice of Agatha and Lorelei for round 3.

[mellow linden]

I don’t think either one is particularly more threatening than the other on round 3, so it probably depends on the team

[void wyvern]

I’d use alister for Agatha. And do a similar strat with bede where you use max move after sync and immediately kill mid

If you haven’t filled out grass yet, you can use rosa.

And if you haven’t filled out water yet, use Misty,

[noble plaza]

I did fill out Water

[void wyvern]

If you haven’t filled our psychic yet, use Liza

[noble plaza]

We used Sabrina last round aha

If it helps, so far I filled out Water, Flying, Psychic, Fairy, and Dark

We could use someone who can poison

because Allister has a passive that powers up moves against poisoned or badly poisoned targets

though next week blue will be weak against poison

[toxic cobalt]

If you need to poison use Koga, although you're right about next week

[noble plaza]

is it worth using a Poison sync pair here in this case?

[toxic cobalt]

Not a problem either way, so long as you clear 10-12 types you will be okay

I suspect Allister can clear without

[noble plaza]

alrighty

I do have Janine at level 135 already. Should I still use Koga/

[toxic cobalt]

Unless she is gridded use Koga

Koga has 50% poison chance at base

[tulip python]

Ah that must be it the intertia buff

I see now what that does

[noble plaza]

Okay Cheren + Allister + Rosa is not working :I

[toxic cobalt]

Cheren???

[noble plaza]

Seperior kept dying from poison so I thought he would help

[toxic cobalt]

Do we not have anyone better than Serperior?

[noble plaza]

I probably do

I was using what was recommended

[toxic cobalt]

Were they recommended because they assumed your Rosa was EXed I wonder

[noble plaza]

...ohhh

i dont have the spirits for that aha

[crystal notch]

....yeah, err, forget bout it if she isn't EXed

[toxic cobalt]

Allister is pretty self-buffing, so no need to help him. Need a spdef tank like Misty or Liza probably, not sure what else you have

[fiery canopy]

not sure why sselesas defenses are just getting Shredded by agatha

[toxic cobalt]

Because SS Elesa relies on dodging

[fiery canopy]

oooooouuuuughggaaaaaaaaaack

[swift swan]

she's not a good defensive tank, yeah

eva tank or bust

good for quick offensive clears though

[fiery canopy]

eva?

[noble plaza]

evasion

probably

[toxic cobalt]

Hmmm no exciting special tank options there aside from Sycamore

[noble plaza]

Not sure if I really wanna use Sycamore already

[swift swan]

we sure do lack those

[toxic cobalt]

Have I told you the good news about our lord and saviour Serena by the way?

[swift swan]

[noble plaza]

with Delphox?

[toxic cobalt]

Yes

[noble plaza]

I'M TRYING HERE 😭

ohh that's an option for sure, I'm pretty sure she's already gridded

[toxic cobalt]

I say get rid of Cheren (eww), use a cheat code like Serena

You can't get poisoned if everyone is asleep

[swift swan]

it's just that since CS battles aren't scripted, you need to know when to use Hypnosis

[fiery canopy]

ffffuk
any suggestions other than sselesa idgaf about the pieces
its viola and gio against agatha

round 3

[toxic cobalt]

Liza

Elio

Misty

But Liza probably

[fiery canopy]

kk

[noble plaza]

should I stick with Rosa too?

Yeah I quickly realized that Cheren kinda sucks lmfao

[toxic cobalt]

Nah Rosa not helping you much

[noble plaza]

yeah true

[toxic cobalt]

Allistair gives himself +4spatk which is enough

[noble plaza]

(by the way when I use "No Escape" for the first time, should I attack right after to use the Free Move Next buff, or should I just use the move again?)

[toxic cobalt]

Just use it again

[noble plaza]

got it

who should I use over Rosa?

[toxic cobalt]

Anyone giving spdef

You can filter for it

[noble plaza]

yeah i figured that's what i needed

[sand umbra]

Will the Grass-weak event end at reset tonight?

[noble plaza]

the only non-psychic or water sync pairs I have are Sycamore and Drake. Should I just suck up the loss of a medal type and use Liza/Elio?

[toxic cobalt]

No

[fiery canopy]

GOTTEM

[toxic cobalt]

Yes, lol, you'ev got 2.5 hours

[noble plaza]

fair lmfao

wow i should've done that sooner

now onto lorelei

[noble plaza]

If I'm going Ingo+Olivia, who should be my third member?

[dark osprey]

Aren't you trying to get types in?

[noble plaza]

yeah why?

or at least I'm trying my best to get to master mode

[dark osprey]

Then can squeeze in someone with those missing types

[noble plaza]

is Champion Blue special or physical?

[fiery canopy]

yeeeey champ defeated
right before the deadline lol

[rotund lagoon]

You mean Classic?

Or in CS?

[dark osprey]

In CS I guess

Mainly special iirc

[rotund lagoon]

Blue is Special, sides are Physical

[noble plaza]

YESSS! I FINALLY BEAT THE DAMN CHAMPION STADIUM LAST MINUTE

11/18 types complete.

[void wyvern]

Congrats!

[bleak eagle]

Yeesus, the changes made to stadium may be exciting for most but it turned into a headache for me

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/811459143318765610/1044142774418690139/ebbe.gif

[tame gust]

...I feel like I've screwed myself over by not EXing Hilbert. Doing 2.5k Pre sync on type Blue with Hilbert, Roark and I originally had Hop as the healer, but realized that the dps race just couldn't be won without Support EX boosting. Even then I'm running in to the problem of Roark offing himself by the time Pidgeot's down.

[zealous karma]

Roark struggling for rock

He shouldn’t need sup ex

Maybe more than 3* but that’s it

[swift swan]

why not run a defense debuffer then

[tame gust]

he's not 'struggling' it's a piloting issue I guess? That or I need to tune down something.

[swift swan]

Hop and Hilbert's buffs pretty much overlap

[tame gust]

yeah, it's just the healing that's the issue

[swift swan]

tank with Hop. Roark DPS. bring Kukui or Nanu for defense drops

or use a nuke grid on Roark? if you're worried about Roark offing himself

[zealous karma]

Roarks nuke isn’t to bad either

I’ve never had issues with Roark killing himself tho unless I’m purposely aiming for big numbers with him

Then again I think the only rock stage I’ve used him for is Malva

[tame gust]

I keep coming close to the kill but three times now at the last Head Smash needed to KO Blue before his first sync the Head Smash misses.

I call AI hax

[meager agate]

"yep, that's exactly how i planned it"

[proud axle]

Roark Sync Nuke means less of the total damage comes from Head Smash and therefore less recoil comes back at him. It might be worth a try if he runs low on ammo (read: HP)

[tame gust]

ugh I'm coming sooo close but blue's either living on a sliver or my smash misses

and now HOp is refusing to MPR. smh

[keen jasper]

And now it's over

[swift swan]

:/

[proud axle]

What was your grid and what round conditions are you using, btw

[keen jasper]

Does it matter now?

[proud axle]

Not you

Cress

[old orchid]

nov time to update the pin

[keen jasper]

IK

[proud axle]

...They're losing, so it matters

[keen jasper]

It's already a new week

[proud axle]

Oh, that is what you mean

Welp

[swift swan]

💨

opening the game rn

[tame gust]

OH AND NOW HE DIES

[keen jasper]

And then you died to the sides?

[tame gust]

yuuup got the Moltres treatment

[proud axle]

"Smell ya later! ...Emphasis on later."

[tame gust]

smh

[swift swan]

updated

[tame gust]

I probably would've made it in time had I remembered that Accelrock would aid in blasting down pidgeot.

[swift swan]

maaaaybe try not to do CSMM last minute next time

[tame gust]

Sorry for being busy with rl stuff lmao

[old orchid]

no permanent field effect?

[tame gust]

anyway, yeah the fight was going much smoother when I stopped going unga bunga head smash.

[proud axle]

Hm. It's possible to get 100Acc on Head Smash while only giving up a 25 Sync BP node. 350BP --> 325BP isn't that much of a drop compared to Head Smash being guaranteed to hit

[tame gust]

yeah I should've fiddled with the grid more. Alas, poor time managment.

[proud axle]

(Yes it's too late for this to matter but it might be useful for next time we have a Rock weak boss)

[crystal galleon]

Is there any way to rewatch your own clears of the special stadium? I pulled off a ridiculously high damage sync that I wanted to record but I didn't even realize it was going to happen until I fired it off.

[swift swan]

sadly no

[proud axle]

Can totally relate to the "wow, LARGE NUMBERS!" feeling tho

[tame gust]

I also remembered that Colress is amazing when you pair him up with an AoE physical sync. Kukui is also fun.

but dammit, I'm gonna be salty for that loss.. freaking Moltres PTSD.

[crystal galleon]

Yeah, it was an ex Brendan sync after syncing with ex Rosa and ex Dawn on 2.5k. Would've been so fun to watch again.

[tame gust]

so, lookin at this week.. If I want to sync nuke on Blue then Koga would be my option since he's my best poison dps if I"m going on-type, right?

[latent eagle]

For this week is there an order of which rounds to do or does it really matter?

[tame gust]

I'd suggest not taking Bruno in r2 because of the physical damage boost

[frosty axle]

Besides that there isn't much else depends on teams

slow team for round 4

round 1 for flinch

[tame gust]

I'm using Leafeon team for Loreli r2 because eff her.

[frosty axle]

For me it will be for my dark team

or ground

[proud axle]

Yeah, Kanto has a Poison-weak boss that is actually a little hostile to poison stall (Blue has Sync Cure to remove Poison/Toxic when he syncs)

Koga can do it fine, but watch out if you use the Added Effects round. Blue has 30% flinch and one of his sidekicks has 30% poison

[frosty axle]

he dies relatively quickly

[tame gust]

good thing I don't plan to stall him. Koga's gridded and candied, he's out for blood.

[proud axle]

Ninja's ready to strike

[tame gust]

Like the Adventures Manga, let's go.

[frosty axle]

Ariados sync nuker

[proud axle]

Wut

[tame gust]

shame my ground roster's lookin kinda weak. But I just EX'd SC Zinnia, so Agatha's about to have a bad time.

[frosty axle]

Hapu isn't too bad for ground just takes a bit of set up

[dull yarrow]

Agatha

is gonna have a hard time this week

[frosty axle]

I like Hapu more than Tyranitar for rock

[dull yarrow]

question is, do I want to use Marnie

or

SCZ

I think I'll stick with Marnie

[frosty axle]

Marnie is quite strong

[dull yarrow]

Yes

Yes she is

[frosty axle]

will probably only do my F2P run later today

[tame gust]

tbh I wish I'd saved Carnie and Cede for last vs Blue. I just wanted to humble Bruno so I spent them early last week.

[dull yarrow]

Wow

Champion Marnie made Agatha a breeze

[devout sluice]

Zoroark still gets the job done on 12.5k

[dull yarrow]

Yes

But I wanted to use Marnie

[devout sluice]

No I’m talking to myself. Forgot to switch it to physical instead of special on that round.

[dull yarrow]

Lol

Fair

Man

Zerena is still so busted

even a year later

[devout sluice]

Ya. Can’t believe already been a year.

Was expecting Agatha to do her hostile environment sludge bomb on Sableye but guess not today.

[tame gust]

I'm thinking this week I'll do Lance, Loreli, Bruno, Agatha

shame I don't have the third Lance move level for funsies. I do have boosted Zinni/Ray, and unboosted Cyrus for dragon damage.

[devout sluice]

Ya. I forgot that poison stall bit tricky on blue due to sync cure.

[tame gust]

The shorter duration I have of Blue on my screen the better.

[dull yarrow]

Emma....

Y'all don't have Emma?

[placid forum]

Oh shoot

I just realised I prob missed something

[dull yarrow]

Why are you trying to toxic stall when Emma exists

[swift swan]

I don't, in fact, have Emma

[placid forum]

Does the Pasio Special Stadium reset? 'Cause if so, I missed it

[dull yarrow]

Oh

Fair

[swift swan]

no, not yet

[dull yarrow]

[placid forum]

As in, resetting to change to a diff type

Or will it just end

[tame gust]

I don't have Emma and Koga's not meant for Toxic stall. I mean, he can but he's a techie. Shame he doesn't have an EX yet.

[dull yarrow]

ight

[swift swan]

usually I use ss gio for both ground and poison stages, but guess I'm throwing him for the poison stage this week and let Cynthia do the ground one

[placid forum]

I've always used Koga's nuking for every Poison-weak CSMM

[swift swan]

I think it'll just end

[swift swan]

Koga can nuke well

[placid forum]

Ahh, phew, didn't miss anything after all

[dull yarrow]

@swift swan How come you don't have Emma? If you don't mind me asking, did you skip or you just didn't get her?

[swift swan]

I skipped

[dull yarrow]

Oh fair

[placid forum]

Koga nukes well enough you can 2k duo everything, now 2.5k I'm not sure, haven't tried

[swift swan]

she was a february unit right? I skipped everything in february

[placid forum]

2.5k 3v3 though, surely

[swift swan]

ultra saving mode

[dull yarrow]

Welp

about to vs Blue

with Fall Iris, Emma and Guy

Wish me luck

[tame gust]

I'm gonna team build and then go slaughter tomorrow. Sleepy time now.

[placid forum]

Glhf

I won't attempt to do 12.5k last second this time

[tame gust]

I've gotta start EXing some supports.

[placid forum]

I'll do it... a few days from now, got other stuff to do

Best of luck to all

[dull yarrow]

This is such a bad run

I forgot to Poison Wish

[old orchid]

[dull yarrow]

Oh well, I still cleared the stage

[tame gust]

I found that I did enjoy using Eevee/Leaf for stall team. Shame she doesn't have Syncro Heal on her grid for party-wide heal. Can't have nice things.

[dull yarrow]

And Emma still did 14k without Poison Zone

I still don't think Leaf is that great tbh

She takes 27 turns to max stats

[devout sluice]

I don’t have Emma because I’m saving.

[toxic cobalt]

27 turns is only one opponent sync

[tame gust]

I mean Leaf isn't amazing, but she's somewhat decent. Plus, you're not relying on just her to boost stats.

[dull yarrow]

I just think she's a bit overrated that's all 🤷‍♂️

[lavish ivy]

i did it with ss gio, fall iris and skyla

[dull yarrow]

Nice

[crystal notch]

Looker nuke possible?

[dull yarrow]

SS Gio can easily clear the stage

I just prefer to use overkill Emma

[trail smelt]

Ah nuts

[lavish ivy]

i didnt pull for her so i had to go ss gio haha

[trail smelt]

My OCD is killing me since I ordered my units wrong

[dull yarrow]

Faur

*Fair

[trail smelt]

Crobats should have been to the side dammit

[dull yarrow]

Are you like me and always have your supports on the right?

[tame gust]

missed SS Gio's banner. Also.. aaaaa.. I need one more Sonia pull for 3/5 Yamper.

[trail smelt]

Now it’s asymmetrical

[lavish ivy]

i will either have mine to the right or the middle depending on the team

[rigid flint]

Heck yeah time for MM

[trail smelt]

Also yeah depends on whether the support is my favorite unit in the team or not

[lavish ivy]

like ss brendan on a dragon team is always middle

[dull yarrow]

My teams are always:
Tech|Striker/Damage Dealer|Support

[trail smelt]

If they are I put them in the middle so they talk when I win

If not I shove them to the right

Anyway ready to overkill next week

[dull yarrow]

overkill
doesn't put SST on Electric weak

[trail smelt]

Why would I

I skipped him

[dull yarrow]

Oh

I'm guessing it's Lorelei weak to Electric next week?

Oh yeah

Next week's team will definitely be overkill

[verbal karma]

R1 Lorelei or R1 Agatha?

[trail smelt]

Depends on your team

[verbal karma]

Asking because I am wondering how risky R1 Lorelei might be because of her being an Ice-type E4 member

If the risk of getting frozen is too high in R1, then I will just go with Agatha

[dull yarrow]

I think I R3'd Agatha

[verbal karma]

Similarly, I am also trying to decide whenever to go with R4 Bruno or R4 Lance...after all, Zerena might work with both

[swift swan]

It's still very low even with R1 gimmick

[swift swan]

Well ground has much less alternatives

You have cyrus or zinnia for dragon

[full mesa]

3/5 ex emma demolished blue

[dull yarrow]

Of course she would

[rigid flint]

Shudders Zinnia

[swift swan]

What? Zinnia's not bad

[full mesa]

Also Lyra/Camerupt/Maxie is my new favourite Ground team.

[swift swan]

Just wants offensive support and weather

[rigid flint]

True true

[full mesa]

I used Cyrus/Drake/Lucas for Lance. Zone saved me.

[rigid flint]

But she is a bit odd to use, at least imo

[swift swan]

Drake user

[full mesa]

She can't let a support sync

Wants both sync if you're aiming for pre sync

[formal vigil]

Just have the premium weather supports because everyone definitely has them

[full mesa]

The dude knows how to get 4-5 hits.

[swift swan]

Honestly? Just bring May or sth

It's Kanto CS. Zinnia handles it just fine

[full mesa]

May is too gauge heavy. I would use Pelliper or something

[formal vigil]

Just spam may tm

[swift swan]

For a second there I forgor Winona existed

[full mesa]

The exiting part is that 7/10 times my dark team Dual Frogs/Absol doesn't let enemy survive until my second sync. -2 dark rebuff is just too much.

[crystal notch]

Mmmm ex zinnia not doing very well

Does she want to use outrage

Or...draco meteor, drop 2 sp atk

Lance on type btw

[rigid flint]

Yeah that do be the issue with Zinnia

Personally I run Dauntless on her for Draco Meteor but

[crystal notch]

I didn't set rain so I guess there's that

[rigid flint]

Yeah you wanna set weather too

[crystal notch]

Yeah noted

Dauntless is pink cookie?

Oh it's blue

Sigh

[verbal karma]

R1 Lorelei it is, then!

[rigid flint]

Ah, I sure love it when Selene's first Leaf Blade does 11k damage

[crystal notch]

Any chance I can offtype Lance with something like mayziken nuke

With enough flinching I'm sure I can

...how useful is non PBd Cyrus

[rigid flint]

Not bad tbh

[crystal notch]

Mmm 2.5k on type possible?

[rigid flint]

What's Winona there for?

I'd say you need another support to tank instead of Sabrina tanking

[crystal notch]

Point taken

[crystal notch]

Flinch abuse r1

[rigid flint]

If you're not planning to use Sycamore in other stages you could use him with Cyrus, but that's only if you have Sycamore EX'd

Ah

I reckon use round 1 on someone else like Agatha

[verbal karma]

Alright, if I go Zerena for R4 Bruno, then that means R2 Lance?

[rigid flint]

Flinch locking would be more useful there since she buffs her own stats and both Shadow Ball and Thunderbolt can do pretty heavy damage

[rigid flint]

Who're your ground units?

Or your dragon units?

[rigid flint]

Ah ok

Brendan and Lucas can go together for Lance

Do Lance in round 3 or 4 I reckon

Brendan, Cyrus and Lucas make a good team

[verbal karma]

Okay, that's for Lance...but what about Bruno? I can't seem to find a better strike for that than Zerena unless I were to fiddle around with Sandstorm set ups for, like, Naomi or something

[rigid flint]

If you want you can pair Zerena with a Def debuffer to finish the match faster

And then use someone that buffs Speed to tank

You could use Skyla but they do have rock type moves so

[verbal karma]

Hmm...if I were to use Zerena, wouldn't R4 Bruno be better then?

[rigid flint]

Wasn't that your original plan?

[verbal karma]

My plan was to decide between R4 Bruno or R4 Lance

[rigid flint]

Ah

Do R4 Bruno then

And do R3 Lance

[verbal karma]

Alright

[hearty lynx]

i'm having trouble against Bertha in special CS

[rigid flint]

Oooh what's up?

[hearty lynx]

i'm using 3/5 may and 1/5 SS lysandre

still trying to find a 3rd really i'm trying things out

[old orchid]

A defense buffer

[crystal notch]

SC zinnia + nessa + hop solves the stage, probably

My two issues are Bruno and lance

[fiery canopy]

aight new week lets go

whos best to start with

[rigid flint]

I did Agatha round 1

I think she’s good for flinch locking cos she has stronk moves

[crystal notch]

Hmmm

[rigid flint]

Wait for Bruno

What ground units do u have

[fiery canopy]

flinch locking huh? hmmm
lets see who i have that can flinch

[rigid flint]

That’s only if you absolutely need to

What dark type units do u have?

[fiery canopy]

a few but most notably cmarnie

[rigid flint]

Oh then you’re fine!

[crystal notch]

Nuke him with SS Steven + Lucian + someone (that's not a psychic terrain cause I don't have one)

Problem should be solved

[rigid flint]

CMarnie paired with a tank will do amazing

[fiery canopy]

should i still fight her r1 then

[rigid flint]

Oof, no Bianca is tough

[fiery canopy]

which tanks do u recommend

[crystal notch]

Does this really need r1

[rigid flint]

Good point

That def doesn’t need round 1

[rigid flint]

Probably not, which stage do you think you’ll have more trouble with?

As for tanks I’d recommend anyone who can buff spdef

Misty works

[wide adder]

Kinda wanna try these teams. (Idk if I got the raihan one right but meh.)
Thoughts on what order I should use them?

[verbal karma]

Damn, my Zerena team isn't working against R4 Bruno 😦

[wide adder]

dang lance is clearheaded

[swift swan]

oh, this is the exact team I used for dark-weak. I gave Agatha HP 10 so Sidney could nuke 2nd sync lmao

did a respectable 6 digits

[wide adder]

cant use sydney for confusion then

the only unit i can think of for aoe trap is ss ethan lmaooo

[fiery canopy]

if im gonna use cmarnie against agatha, who should be the tank?

[wide adder]

this gonna be so cringe

i cant believe i just used ss ethan just for trap

not even for damage, just trap

F!Hilbert is funny. just kamikaze into agatha after hes synced.

[fiery canopy]

i only have regular hilbert 😔

[wide adder]

cmarnie doesnt need any specific tank BTW

shes an offtype monster, she'll ctrl alt del that stage on type

[verbal karma]

What am I doing wrong? 😦

[wide adder]

do you not have Courtney (ground wish gen pool)?

[verbal karma]

Nope

[wide adder]

in that case id replace ss elesa with someone who can -def

ss elesa isnt exactly doing much there

also for the love of arceus use that stamina

[swift swan]

who did you sync with first?

[verbal karma]

a support sync, of course

[wide adder]

...its ss serena, sync with her first

[verbal karma]

That's the entire point of having an EX'd support

[wide adder]

hold hostage + transformation stat boost

shes your only dps there

so she takes sync 1

[verbal karma]

Oh...but then there's no point in having EX supports 😦

[wide adder]

replace elessa with a def debuffer

ssb 2nd sync

[swift swan]

That's the problem

[verbal karma]

Def debuffer?!

[swift swan]

You fight for sync

Zerena wants to sync for the stats and multipliers

[wide adder]

ss serena is a fighter that basically always wants first sync

[verbal karma]

Don't you mean Sp Def. debuffer?

[wide adder]

yeah. someone with Leer

[swift swan]

Thousand waves is physical

[wide adder]

dude its GROUND

shes using physical move

[swift swan]

Please tell me that's where you went wrong

The params

[verbal karma]

There is no point in having SSB do the second sync

He either does the first sync or no sync

[swift swan]

Did you take Physical damage reduction 8

[verbal karma]

Yes

[swift swan]

Well, there you go

[keen jasper]

LMFAO

[swift swan]

Thousand waves is physical

[wide adder]

her sync is going to do dogwater with special + standard reduction.

which is standard on ground weak

[verbal karma]

but Zerena's sync is special

[wide adder]

youre bringing her for the ground move

smh

[swift swan]

you're using her for ground damage aren't you?

[wide adder]

no dragon zone so youre not offtyping

shes there to spam thousand waves

[verbal karma]

The ground move only exists for Restrain

After that, I spam her Dragon move

[swift swan]

okay

[wide adder]

dude, its better ontype dmg than offtype dragon without terrain

[swift swan]

but did you pick up Standard Damage Reduction 8

[wide adder]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-hello-listen-the-legend-of-zelda-navi-gif-14762068

[verbal karma]

No

[swift swan]

so what params did you take to replace that

[verbal karma]

I picked Off-Type pre-sync parameters

[wide adder]

do the ontype, youre already using a 1/5 ss serena

10x easier to go ground dps

[fiery canopy]

now i just have to figure out who to save for later 😆

[wide adder]

if it was 3/5 then maybe the dragon nuke would be worthwhile

but 1/5 youre better off leaning into ground without zone

[swift swan]

just try using the ontype presync and stick with thousand waves. see which one is more comfortable

[verbal karma]

If I would have been using on-type, then I wouldn't be using Zerena in the first place

[wide adder]

sir, Zerena's still one of the best ground dps in the game.

[swift swan]

Zerena has a ground move? yes it does still count as ontype

wtf

[verbal karma]

but her sync is off-type

[fiery canopy]

hm. ima try lana

[wide adder]

that doesnt matter

https://tenor.com/view/so-pissed-im-work-mad-gif-23416426

[verbal karma]

It literally does matter

The sync does the nuking

[wide adder]

look at this.

[verbal karma]

Not some Ground type move

[verbal karma]

You had Courtney

[wide adder]

i did bruno 2.5k with her

[verbal karma]

I don't

[wide adder]

and even without courtney it would of been better than offtype

[swift swan]

so what? her DPS is strong enough already

[wide adder]

that was a BUDGET team for me doing ground

[swift swan]

and she's 1/5. she's not nuking for a lot

[wide adder]

^

i was ontyping ground before i owned courtney

[old orchid]

You should listen to us when you are looking for advice

[wide adder]

if youre not going to listen to advice of people familiar with the unit, then please, dont ask in the first place.

[swift swan]

you asked what you were doing wrong. we pointed it out

[wide adder]

[swift swan]

the problem was pretty clear

[wide adder]

im a serena simp, id know when im not using her right.

[fiery canopy]

i love cmarnie. that was too easy

[frosty axle]

Marnie, Frogs and Pikachus makes the Stadiums too easy

[wide adder]

also the fact youre being like "but the sync" when youre syncing with supports in the first place, contradictory. im going back to my clear.

[fiery canopy]

frogs?

[wide adder]

c calem, c serena

[frosty axle]

Yes Greninja

[wide adder]

the greninjas

[fiery canopy]

ohhh!

[frosty axle]

If you got all those anything can be offtyped

[fiery canopy]

does the player chara count for those pikachus or naw

[wide adder]

quick question, ss erika, ex sycamore, lyra.
who syncs first, sycamore or erika? doing sycamore for horn leech

[wide adder]

no, ash and sst red

[fiery canopy]

r2 bruno letsgo
zamn

[frosty axle]

I don't think it can offtype can it?

[keen jasper]

It has been done

[fiery canopy]

should i use ingo with courtney here or save him for someone else

[keen jasper]

@frosty axle What do you think?

[wide adder]

personally i spent ingo to get rid of rapidash's sun

bc isnt like i was using elsewhere

[fiery canopy]

oh interesting

i have both him and emmet tho so i wonder if that combo will come in handy later

[wide adder]

sun was making my other budget tank options be oneshot by arcanine

[frosty axle]

now I need to forget what you used so I do my runs uniquely

[wide adder]

i have both too, but had no plans to use emmet

[fiery canopy]

could always use rain dance too

[wide adder]

ontyping the whole stadium

[keen jasper]

Is that right? Maybe uploading it will help you remember it

[wide adder]

to a point where i even spent ss ethan just to trap lance for my flygon raihan

[keen jasper]

I mean I upload my clear

[frosty axle]

I usually don't watch other runs but if you want to

[wide adder]

felt awkward but had no other way of enabling the -spdef on hit for raihan instantly

[fiery canopy]

ok wtf am i doing here. i have schoolwork
will return eventually 😔

[wide adder]

now to finish up my stadium by seeing how bad plumeria nuke is

[keen jasper]

I'm not asking you to watch, you said you want to make different teams to mine, so I'll upload it

So that you can see it

[wide adder]

blue why tf did you flinch turn 1

so cringe

[keen jasper]

What E4 parameter did you have?

[frosty axle]

was a joke I don't even remember your teams already

[wide adder]

i took use moves quickly

[keen jasper]

Ah

[keen jasper]

Ok

First lemme record my grids

Because I've done the clear, but I haven't recorded the grids yet

[frosty axle]

you may as well do my videos for me while you at it

[keen jasper]

NGL, I was thinking before of doing F2P videos in your stead

But eh

[wide adder]

didnt get to nuke with plum, forgot i didnt have any accel to fix anti-quadqueue effects of sclillie. but still won lol

[frosty axle]

I am pretty much tired of masters was thinking of giving my rerolls away one day

[keen jasper]

Do you still remember their Nintendo Account credentials?

Incase you're doing a giveaway of your alts

[frosty axle]

Yes well I would have to attach new accounts to it

[undone ether]

He tanked really well

[keen jasper]

[main crow]

Bruh I've been kinda out of it I didn't realized I didn't put the last 100pts

What Masuda method for the past 2 days does to a mf

[dusty yarrow]

How did she survive that

[swift swan]

I wanted to say rain gear but it seems like rain is gone already

[frosty axle]

Surprised you didn't win already

and lost SS Kris

[twin flare]

Help, how do I beat Lorelei at 2500 on type post sync param

[old orchid]

Lorelei in Kanto CS or the special CS?

[twin flare]

Kanto

[old orchid]

use SS Erika instead of Brendan

[twin flare]

Tried that

[old orchid]

a physical support + her + another sun abuser

try again

SS Erika at 3/5 is better than 2/5 Brendan

[twin flare]

Another sun abuser? Do you have any examples?

[old orchid]

Brendan himself

or Mallow

[twin flare]

Something like this?

[old orchid]

yeah

[mellow linden]

Change your Tactics so Sonia is the 1st target

[trail smelt]

Mallow getting targeted first is gonna end in tears lol

[twin flare]

Ayy

Mallow surprisingly the MVP

Tactics is the last thing I change, sometimes I even forget xP

[frosty axle]

You shouldn't have to if you keep your strikers and support in the same positions

[brave halo]

Yay looks like I thought right on my pairs

[mellow linden]

I have to ask: why did you even get Champ Marnie if you're not gonna use her?

[brave halo]

I said I would compromise and use her if Sidney lost

That ended up not being the case

[frosty axle]

Sidney never loses

[brave halo]

So any chance anyone knows the typing for the week after? I'm assuming it'll change to johto that week and figured I'd base my next ex gift off that

[mellow linden]

[brave halo]

I did but nothing there

[mellow linden]

Scroll down then

[brave halo]

Still nothing

[mellow linden]

Are you just…unable to see the images?

[brave halo]

All I see if Kanto cs, then kalos special cs

And then a video

[mellow linden]

Kanto CS, that is a chart of the weaknesses for each week

[brave halo]

Yeah but I want the week after

[mellow linden]

It shows every week of this Kanto CS run, we are on week 3

[crystal notch]

If you're asking about what comes after week 4, the answer is we don't know

[brave halo]

[crystal notch]

But if you're asking about week 4

Then it's been in the pins

[brave halo]

I already know week 4

I have teams set up for that

[mellow linden]

Then wait for datamine and the next CS region will be in pins within 1-2 days after

[crystal notch]

You do realize calling it the week after means everyone will assume you're talking about the week after (this week)

[trail smelt]

Datamine only has info for CS for a full month

Also that yeah

[brave halo]

Alrighty then

[crystal notch]

What's the best time to use zinnia's b-snatch anyways

During second sync cycle?

To prevent enemy scripted tm etc

That does mean face tanking FSU 3 on the first sync cycle though assuming we want (not so) free points

Her buff prevention lasts a cycle right

[mellow linden]

For on-typing you have high odds of KOing the opponent before they even get to the point of using a scripted buff.

It’s also notable that, unless she’s 3/5 and gridded for it, her only thing related to the enemy not having buffs is her Free Move effect, so worst case scenario in CS you can probably work around it if things get to that point

If need be you can also potentially look at what pre-Sync buff the opponent uses (if any) and bring the appropriate debuffer, though this is unlikely to be needed

[crystal notch]

Noted

Got impatient and tried fighting lorelei with silver

Ehhhh its not as clean as I hoped it to be

[brave halo]

So which typing of all three gears should I use? This is for ghost one next week

[crystal notch]

She's always one solar beam away from dying

Which is not fun

[mellow linden]

I’m unfortunately not very experienced, with Solar Beam Silver, so I can’t offer all that much advice besides maybe team adjustments

[mellow linden]

It doesn’t really matter

[crystal notch]

Nah, I've decided to wait for lodge sycamore

The professor better not drop me at 90% tomorrow

[mellow linden]

Though I do have to ask: is there a specific reason you’re using Selene when I remember that you have both A. Lillie and an EX SSR Cynthia?

[brave halo]

Both are only 1/5 and ngl haven't been performing the best during cs, I need to try someone with an actual grid with access to ghost

[mellow linden]

Even with both 1/5 either one can win Ghost weak stages no problem

Use both on the same team and the Ghost weak stage dies

Even with both 1/5, even on Master Mode

[brave halo]

Well it's not MM but they certainly haven't been pulling their weight, they've only been useful for daily region

[mellow linden]

That is not the fault of the Sync Pairs

[manic kiln]

you can clear everything.... and i mean every contents in this game using 1/5 units especially limited units, only very old units and 3-4* need dupes

you can pair allile and ssrcynthia with any support non ex and destroy every ghost week stages

so yes this is skill issues

[crystal notch]

How do you usually use them anyways?

[civic trellis]

@brave halo

[crystal notch]

It's hard to troubleshoot what you're doing wrong

[mellow linden]

At the absolute least, if you’re gonna insist on using Selene as the damage-dealer then bring SSR Cynthia for Ghost Zone

Like, if nothing else a 50% damage boost will offer a lot

[civic trellis]

Grid doesnt matter if it sucks

[manic kiln]

also getting dupes is not that important when you fail to understand game mechanics and for CS parameters

[civic trellis]

Or maybe its good but others at 1/5 can still perform better

[manic kiln]

we've seen enough example of people having big and busted roster yet failing contents

[crystal notch]

that's what I've learnt during my playtime so far

with enough effort

csmm can be done even for a beginner

[manic kiln]

also for that team above I don't see how Lillie and Cynthia doing worse than selene

[civic trellis]

quite a few params are free as well

[manic kiln]

they outperform even ex 5/5 selene at 1/5

[mellow linden]

Don’t even start on Master Mode parameters, we already explained how 850 points can be done with no difficulty increase and they didn’t listen

[crystal notch]

can't help those who don't believe they can be helped unfortunately

[civic trellis]

Yeah, I have 3/5 cynthia but A!Lillie does alot on her own already at 1/5

[manic kiln]

they max their buffs faster than Selene and can deal damage right away

just need a speed buff support

at 1/5 cynthia can be a zone bot and debuff bot

[civic trellis]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1044338044389564426/1094943336202256454/IMG_2942.png

I didnt even use an EX support w them

[mellow linden]

I’ve found SS Morty actually works great for the Support with a team of A. Lillie + SSR Cynthia if you can afford to use him there

[manic kiln]

her nuke is alright if you don't need Lillie rejuvenate

[mellow linden]

His gauge upkeep is pretty strong

[civic trellis]

Good to know, for when he reruns

[mellow linden]

Better than alright if EXd

Which theirs is

[manic kiln]

yeah most zone unit at 1/5 have good nuke

[brave halo]

Problem, yours is ex, mines not

[civic trellis]

Helps that zone is their innate nuke

[civic trellis]

I didnt sync w her

[hearty lynx]

special CS bertha is killing me, i can't seem to win from her

[civic trellis]

Watch the vid, I only synced with sabrina who isnt EX

[manic kiln]

you need to change the weather

[brave halo]

But here, another compromise, if I don't win with selene, then I'll use lillie

[hearty lynx]

i'm using silver

[brave halo]

Does that sound fair?

[mellow linden]

Here’s the thing

[civic trellis]

Why r u making things harder for urself

[mellow linden]

Selene can almost certainly clear on Hard Mode. The problem is not that

[manic kiln]

like change the weather at the start and not waiting til silver sync, also which round is this, you don't want to do her round 4

[brave halo]

I'm not, the only thing I was trying to do was ask about the gears

[hearty lynx]

round 3

[brave halo]

If your trying to mention MM, I'm not attempting that

[mellow linden]

The problem is that you are refusing to use the limited pairs you have for the very purposes they’re meant for because of an absolutely absurd level of distrust for a completely arbitrary reason

[manic kiln]

gears don't matter, mechanics, choosing parameters and team building is more important

[hearty lynx]

i still have SS erika but i'm planning to save her for the next round

should i use an eggmon

[manic kiln]

blaine & rapidash, and yes vulpix egg

[mellow linden]

What’s even the point of getting limited pairs if you’re gonna refuse to use them over general pool?

[hearty lynx]

i used him in round 1

i'll try with eggmon

[brave halo]

Well I used lillie last time when ghost was the focus and there she wasn't doing the greatest, I'd rather stick to a character for now with an actual grid while I wait to get her up to 3/5

[civic trellis]

3/5 doesnt matter

1/5 lillie is much better than 3/5 selene

[brave halo]

Well she certainly hasn't been showing that

[mellow linden]

Would you at least be willing to attempt to try an SSR Cynthia + A. Lillie duo beforehand? The only thing you have to lose is a couple minutes

[civic trellis]

Lillie’s grid isnt that helpful anyway iirc

And if ur going to wait to 3/5 every limited ur going to wait a very long time

[mellow linden]

Note that “duo” does not mean “only 2 pairs on the team” in this case

[civic trellis]

Ur limiting urself alot by not using 1/5 and 2/5 units and doing hard mode (u may get like 4 EXs a year at most)

[manic kiln]

"she wasn't doing the greatest" because of your team building, understanding mechanics.... there are tons of things you could do wrong, no triple queue, no quad queue, not because she's not good at 1/5

[civic trellis]

I showed u a 900 point run using your team, and only syncing with sabrina since I had lillie and leaf EXd

She was doing like 8k per hit

[brave halo]

Oh that whole time of using lillie there was to get the type on the medal, and last I remember she was in trouble

[trail smelt]

Annie Lillie?

[sinful garden]

lillie's grid isnt even that good lol

a lot of people keep her at 1/5

[old orchid]

because you very likely used her wrong

[brave halo]

To make this worse is she's the only one here with any kind of grid, all my other ghost strikes got nothing yet

As I've been focusing on other characters

[sinful garden]

just because they are ungridded doesnt mean they wont do well

there are a lot of pairs who are incredibly good at base

[mellow linden]

If nothing else replacing one of the Supports with SSR Cynthia for Ghost Zone + on-type Sync nuke would be a massive improvement, even if you stick with Selene as the damage-dealer

[brave halo]

These are my other ghost strikes

[sinful garden]

• this is kanto like the e4 can be beat with any unit basically

[old orchid]

SSA Cynthia and Anni Lillie are ones of them

[sinful garden]

kiawe + alillie + ssr has been my go-to cs ghost team since ssr's release and ive never struggled with it

and my lillie and ssr are also 1/5

[manic kiln]

like 80% of their power is from base kit & passives. grids just add some multiplier or utilities to solo stuffs

[civic trellis]

Btw some stages may take no dmg if they arent flinched or have a status or some other condition

[sinful garden]

(reading what the stage has is also very important)

[manic kiln]

some people also said 1/5 ash is not good

[mellow linden]

To be fair, A. Lillie ignores “needs to be inflicted with status/interference” type passives

That’s not what’s going on in this case, but it is a thing

[manic kiln]

he still 1 shot almost everything at 1/5, if that's not good then idk what is anymore

[manic kiln]

yeah she is one of those braindead unit, click buff then spam 1 damage move

[civic trellis]

Ah right

I wonder what the issue was then cuz I got anni lillie on her rerun and she has not failed me

[manic kiln]

offtype might be hard for some 1/5 units but ontype most can clear just fine

[swift swan]

clicks B Thunderbolt with 1 move gauge
Ash sucks

[brave halo]

Well regardless I gave that compromise, so I'm sticking to that, I've already moved on to look at my other teams

[sinful garden]

compromise? dude ill be real at the end of the day its your account we are just trying to help you

[brave halo]

I said I'll use lillie if selene doesn't win

[mellow linden]

Have fun never using your limited pairs, I guess

[sinful garden]

ok as long as you win the team doesnt really matter

[brave halo]

I'm currently working on my bug team right now, been looking at it for a while now

Im not sure whether to use lusamine despite her having no bulk or guzma, I'm kinda thinking guzma cause multihit

[mellow linden]

Do you have other Bug damage-dealers?

[sinful garden]

yea bug is pretty, uh bad, when it comes to general pool

did you choose alder from the free ticket scout perhaps?

[brave halo]

I did but the problem with him is he isn't putting out the damage, then dies 2 hits later

[mellow linden]

With what team and did you actually use his Trainer Move?

[old orchid]

if you fail to use Alder, you will probably fail to use Lusamine as well

[grand steppe]

Alder shouldn’t be taking too many hits, after syncing alder should be able to 1-2 tap the sides and clear them easily.

[civic trellis]

Alder is one of the best bug type damage dealers

[brave halo]

Well he hasn't been doing that for me, I'm having trouble finding the last time I used him but I know he hasn't been working the greatest, if anything I have burgh and forgot he did have a sync Nuke grid

And I forgot to update Guzma's anyway

[civic trellis]

[brave halo]

But I can do that easily since I have the custom orbs

[civic trellis]

Did u use him on lucian?

[grand steppe]

Burgh is a little hard to setup, Sp def debuffs tends to be mostly on limited units.

[civic trellis]

Bcz lucian has wise entry x2 so alder doesnt do much, otherwise he should be fine

[sinful garden]

also i need you to remember that failing the stage isnt always a team issue

if you make heavy mistakes you can lose easily no matter the team

[crystal notch]

lmao tried out my ontype-offtype mixed mayziken-silver-cbede team

problem is, as soon as anyone in lorelei's team clicks an aoe move

dead

it's a memey team anyways so I don't expect it to win without some heavy resetting

[brave halo]

This is currently what I got, but imma update Guzma's grid when done

[crystal notch]

it's an issue of having to take offensive params

[old orchid]

why do you want to use Guzma that much? Alder is wayyyyy better than him

[civic trellis]

maybe try someone who raises defense over cbede

[crystal notch]

...are you using guzma just because he's 5/5

[civic trellis]

I think both can max their offenses anyway

[crystal notch]

lmao yeah that's the hyperoffensive part of the memey team

[grand steppe]

I’m mean Guzma can clear hard mode just fine, but this team doesn’t setup Guzma very well. No attack buffers.

[brave halo]

Well alder isn't pulling his weight

[sinful garden]

.

[crystal notch]

my guy with the way you're teambuilding rn

[civic trellis]

U mean pin missile is worse than hyper beam? No way

[crystal notch]

no wonder no one's pulling their weight

[manic kiln]

you mean your weight

hard mode tho, should be able to clear with anyone

[sinful garden]

are there any videos of their gameplay because at this point its 100% a gameplay issue

[brave halo]

Hard mode is all I care about, I'm not attempting MM

[civic trellis]

Gl getting ur annual EX

[manic kiln]

but 850 points MM is easier than ever, you slow down your progress a lot avoiding MM just because you "think" you need more ex to do MM but the issues is team building

[sinful garden]

if you struggle this much on kanto i wish you a lot of luck on sinnoh/hoenn

sincerely

[twin flare]

Which of the grass E4 is the most difficult?

[civic trellis]

Bertha probably

The other 3 r kanto johto and unova CS so

[sinful garden]

had the most trouble on bruno but it was probably a team building issue on my side

[civic trellis]

But CSerena was the hardest imo

[trail smelt]

I had the most trouble with Bruno lol but admittedly my team was trash by that point

[sinful garden]

bertha seems the toughest overall

[civic trellis]

Save ur sun setters like ss erika for bertha

[trail smelt]

I actually had the easiest time with Bertha but my team hard countered her

[civic trellis]

She’s easy if u can bring a sun or rain setter

[mellow linden]

Bertha is probably the most “struggle or stomp” stage

[sinful garden]

bertha was easy for me because i brought ex'd ssmorty and 3/5 sserika

but she is the toughest objectively

[tame gust]

hmm. so of my ground move knowers, I've got
Maypert EX 5/5, Clemont 5/5 (lol), Gladion 4/5 (no grid), Bertha 2/5, Cynthia 1/5, Clay 5/5 and Hapu 1/5

I'm guessing either use Maypert or Gladion if I choose to on-type?

[civic trellis]

this is a very tough decision

Gladion ig?

[mellow linden]

Since her gimmick is weather and a lot of Grass type damage-dealers want Sun anyways she can potentially be quite easy if you bring the right team

[tame gust]

that or I just off-type and throw birds at him again.

[mellow linden]

But being from Sinnoh she’s also a little beefed up compared to her companions for Grass weak CS

[civic trellis]

U need to get rid of sandstorm tho

[trail smelt]

Aye

[civic trellis]

She does alot more dmg with it up I think

[trail smelt]

Sand gotta go

[manic kiln]

sadly bertha nuke tiles are locked at 3/5. clay is decent but needs good supports

[civic trellis]

I used ss steven and kriss for it

Doesnt matter if they use sun and rain just get rid of sand

[grand steppe]

You can still get 900 points easily with this team. It’s about how you execute your turns.

[crystal notch]

the fact that you're even doing this on not bug weak agatha is funny

with bug weak it's like...1500 probably

SDR8 is +300 or +600?

[old orchid]

300

[grand steppe]

2 of 3 guzma’s syncs didn’t every crit

[hearty lynx]

bertha is really consuming my time oofs

my hardest stage yet

[grand steppe]

Your removing sandstorm I hope.

[hearty lynx]

yeah

i use MC ninetales with silver

[crystal notch]

you've sent your roster here before?

or asked for advice here?

sometimes it's just bad rng

sometimes it's a team issue/execution issue

[hearty lynx]

i made my roster but where do i share

[old orchid]

On the tracker site?

[hearty lynx]

yeah

[rotund lagoon]

You can ask here.

[old orchid]

Click the image button

Then wait for an image below, then copy paste or save it to your device then send here

[hearty lynx]

have a few egg mons too

i'm in round 3

[crystal notch]

what's your team like

who's your team member

is silver gridded for solar beam

are you quadqueueing

[old orchid]

Who will you face on round 4 then?

Round 4 is half sync countdown, which is deadly if you arent prepared

[crystal notch]

well, at least they're not doing bertha on R4

[tame gust]

do SS Brendan and Zinnia fight for Sync? My mind kinda says they do.

[crystal notch]

sounds about right

zinnia wants mega doesn't she

but maybe I'm wrong

[civic trellis]

I think zinnia should be fine if ur just using draco meteor or outrage

[crystal notch]

I don't know enough about brendios

[civic trellis]

Her powerboost gave her a mega

[hearty lynx]

grimsley

[crystal notch]

yeah

[sinful garden]

if you are using her for flying damage she does want mega

[crystal notch]

I meant it as in

[sinful garden]

for dragon ascent

[crystal notch]

"doesn't she want to sync to turn mega"

[civic trellis]

Oh yeah all megas have to sync to mega

[crystal notch]

that's true but in that case (using dragon ascent) the question wouldn't be asked in the first place

since in that use case it's obvious isn't it

hmm

[civic trellis]

I assume brendos is helping w a draco meteor build bcz sp def debuffs?

[tame gust]

meteor spam is what I was gonna aim for.

yeah that was a plan.

[sinful garden]

then she should be fine if you give brendan first sync

[swift swan]

hmmm

[crystal notch]

hmmmm

[swift swan]

did you click Silver's TM twice?

[hearty lynx]

yes

[swift swan]

what grid does silver have

[old orchid]

Are you sure he has max crit?

[crystal notch]

if he sets sun then clicks tm yes

if he clicks tm then sets sun (and then never clicks tm again)

errr maybe not

[hearty lynx]

i use sun first

[tame gust]

thinking vs Lance I'd be going Maypert, Zinnia, SS Brendo

Maypert for Rain, Zinnia to draco spam, and Brendo for Support EX/crit buff setup.

[hearty lynx]

then i buff my deffs then tm silver

[swift swan]

try Winona for rain instead

May will hog the gauges eventually

[crystal notch]

what's your issue? they keep dying before bertha syncs?

[swift swan]

grid and params please?

[old orchid]

Only use the first sun after Silver first uses his TM once

To preserve sun for his sync

[keen jasper]

https://youtu.be/HpV8Y0Sk1QM

[old orchid]

Also turn off Physical Damage Reduction if you are turning it on rn

[keen jasper]

This took a while to upload

[civic trellis]

Just making sure, r u tanking with roxanne or ninetales

[hearty lynx]

Ninetales

[crystal notch]

HUH

[civic trellis]

Yeah dont do that

[crystal notch]

...that sounds unwise

supports usually tank

[civic trellis]

It should be roxanne ninetales silver

[hearty lynx]

But i sync with silver

To have sun again

[crystal notch]

...how does that matter?

[civic trellis]

Yes but ninetales isnt meant to take hits

[hearty lynx]

Ninetales isnt needed much

[crystal notch]

you need to triple queue

[civic trellis]

Then y r u using it

[crystal notch]

you still need ninetales

to triple queue

so if it's dead

[hearty lynx]

Its to get my boost fast

[toxic cobalt]

This. Nine tales is crucial to decrease sync count

Is Roxanne gridded?

[hearty lynx]

Oh i see

[hearty lynx]

Yeah 3 deffs tm

[swift swan]

oh huh. you got Silver's EX but not the powerboost

[civic trellis]

U can still use ninetales to boost ur team, just tank with roxanne bcz she’s supposed to tank

[hearty lynx]

Yeah idk what i did wrong

[tame gust]

Thoughts on these?

[swift swan]

take off the two sync tiles. if you're running Standard Damage Reduction 8, you don't need those

[civic trellis]

U should be good

[swift swan]

pick up more solar beam tiles

[hearty lynx]

Ah hmm

[crystal notch]

if you're doing things correctly you should be able to sync twice before the enemy syncs once

don't tell me you're not running SDR 8?

[toxic cobalt]

Seem fine. What does Oak do?

Don’t think you need SS Erika and ninetales

[tame gust]

He’s just there to be a bastard.

[toxic cobalt]

This is where I do my usual forlorn plug of not running another sun setter wi th silver

In fact this is grass weak why is another sun setter being run with silver?

[tame gust]

Double sun on my case is to get Leafeon’s boosts going faster

Plan is Erika TM, Marley Speed boost, Ninetails Sun, Erika TM, Marley speed boost, ninetails one bar spam while Erika solar blade spams

[toxic cobalt]

Feel like you get more out of simply running a support to buff Erika but I don’t see why this plan wouldnt work

[tame gust]

I mean I could toss Hilbert in instead of ninetails and cut out a step or two

[hearty lynx]

SDR8?

[crystal notch]

standard damage reduction 8

a MM parameter

[hearty lynx]

Yeah i am

[crystal notch]

then yeah no need to grid his sync

his sync is fire

[hearty lynx]

Im changing my tactics now and changing my grid

[crystal notch]

it's going to be reduced to 20% of its power

[hearty lynx]

Hope it works

[toxic cobalt]

Silver Roxanne Ramos

Can’t recommend more highly

[hearty lynx]

Yeah

[crystal notch]

...what does ramos do there

[toxic cobalt]

The only thing Ramos does

[crystal notch]

...making enemies sleep?

I might know the fundamentals

but I'm still 21 days in

I don't know what every trainer does

[hearty lynx]

so solar flare too?

i'm running that too

[swift swan]

solar flare is for sync

[toxic cobalt]

Forget solar flare

[swift swan]

you're not doing shit with your sync

[crystal notch]

your sync is fire type

the stage is grass weak

[toxic cobalt]

Ramming speed is the only yellow tile you want

[hearty lynx]

yeah i'll change it

[swift swan]

easy answer, yes, making enemies sleep so you can avoid getting hit by strong moves
more complicated answer: you delay the opponents from moving as much as possible so they don't get to sync and you have more turns to try and kill them

a good denial strategy albeit slightly less used

Aurochs is a preacher for this

[toxic cobalt]

and I preach for silver because if you run sleep/flinch Silver syncs under his own sun

Which is irrelevant for grass weak I guess

[proud axle]

Deploys the sun
Enjoys the sun
Destroys with sun

[formal vigil]

Praise the sun

[swift swan]

oh yeah, I did denials like this once

the things I would do so Silver can sync under sun

[toxic cobalt]

Run Janine to fail venom drenches?

[swift swan]

...holy shit

[frosty axle]

Here is Week 3 Kanto 12.5k run https://youtu.be/giA1ssUZM_s

[crystal notch]

don't worry I've learnt a lot about flinches

glances at non ex PB cyrus, winona, giocat clear vs dragon weak lance

yeah so turns out the reason sometimes it goes from left to right skipping mid is because mid is flinching

[civic trellis]

Wait how does silver sync under his own sun? Doesnt it run out within one sync cycle?

[crystal notch]

you can skip animations

by flinching

[frosty axle]

If opponent isn't moving it helps

[crystal notch]

it's timer based

[civic trellis]

Oh

I thought it was turn based

[crystal notch]

janine failing her own venom drench

cuts down on anim time

therefore sync under his own sun

cursed knowledge

[trail smelt]

Sometimes failure is the way to win LMAO

[toxic cobalt]

Move animation meta

[swift swan]

it's always been time-based. it's just that, without any denials, it's roughly 9 turns and it'll go away before he syncs again

[crystal notch]

mission failed succesfully

[frosty axle]

Evasion also sort of helps with getting sync under sun

[swift swan]

I had to deny right side by killing it to cut down animation time so Silver could sync under sun

[crystal notch]

wow his kit is meta-synergistic

[civic trellis]

[frosty axle]

generally we say 9 turns as its the norm

[toxic cobalt]

This is also why you can ‘increase your speed’ by trapping the opponent and why giving them gradual healing also ‘increases speed’

[crystal notch]

wait whay

trapping opponents speed up animations?!

what the

[civic trellis]

The trap/grad healing animation increases speed?