Champion Stadium

[swift swan]

Hilbert + SS Erika + another damage dealer doesn't work?

[upper mantle]

you're using on type parameters and tripple queing right?

[swift swan]

Hilbert/SS Erika/Brendan was my staple grass team for the longest time. can replace brendan with literally anyone who likes sun

[proud axle]

Silver could work if he's still available

Is Lyra 5/5? I can't see through the "On Team" thingie. She's glassy on the phys side but she helps Silver+SSErika buff up faster, and has an on-type sync that can refresh the sun so Erika doesn't have to eat a turn recasting Sunny Day

[manic kiln]

kek I also have these exact 16 grass pairs and I mono clear with 15 of them so you should be fine team building and choosing parameter is important

[vagrant shuttle]

Can I have some have some help with 12.5k CS

[mellow linden]

Which fight?

[thin pecan]

Ok so then which team did you use for him

[manic kiln]

https://discord.com/channels/583120259708616715/1010274591601598555/threads/1079717198634942515
i had screenshots in stage clears, 1 clear i used 2 stall teams and the other all offensive team, no fixed parameters tho because i switched around to fit my playstyle
you can copy the team if you want but have to adjust the parameter to fit, also i had some supports exed so some clears are easier

[manic mica]

Should I use stall on Bertha or Grimsley?

[dark osprey]

Grimsley better probably

Bertha has sand and hits hard with that

[vagrant shuttle]

Kinda all of them....

[void wyvern]

Bertha has sand and requires you to remove it every time she syncs so grimsley is much better to stall.

[proud axle]

I thought Bertha didn't refresh it in this particular fight?

[mellow linden]

Have you done Master Mode before or is this your 1st time trying it?

[manic mica]

Yeah ended up using Ss morty and Eirika for Bertha. Stalled both Grimsley and Lorlei haha

[junior crown]

You can stall all of them if you want too

I did it

[manic mica]

Nice username lmao

[junior crown]

thanks

[void wyvern]

Whoops, you’re right. I misread sand kicker as dust kicker.

[dull yarrow]

Fuck me how do I beat Lorelei jfc

[dull yarrow]

Beat her f***ing ass

[proud axle]

Which Lorelei fight? Kanto league or Pasio league?

Kanto League Lorelei is set up to encourage you to go for side denials before focusing on the boss-- the sidekicks don't have the evasion reaction and they have lower HP than standard

Syncs don't miss, and they don't set off the evasion reaction either; you can use them to take off some of her health for "free"

[tired sleet]

I thought it was set up to make you use wally or smth

[junior crown]

or you can just poison stall too, evasion doesn't work on poison

[mellow linden]

It's far simpler to just bring an accuracy buffer if you can fit one in

[keen silo]

Im super late

[mellow linden]

And you usually can fit one in

[keen silo]

Haven't done any CS yet this week 💀

[tired sleet]

Tbf there aren’t too many acc buffers

[mellow linden]

True, but the nice thing is that several of the accuracy buffers we do have are very accessible

[cinder summit]

Conditions:

1: 3* Min Rarity | All Pairs (Limited Included) | Support Role | Accuracy Up‎

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Aaron & Vespiquen
‎　⤷Cool, Right?!: Precision Pals 1
Burgh (Spring 2021) & Togepi
‎　⤷Happy Colors!
Caitlin (Fall 2021) & Sableye
‎　⤷Tricksy!
Clemont & Magneton
‎　⤷X Accuracy All
Cynthia & Gastrodon
‎　⤷Don’t Worry!
Dawn & Torterra
‎　⤷Good as New!: Precision Pals 1
Elesa & Joltik
‎　⤷Mutual Improvement!
Erika (Holiday 2020) & Comfey
‎　⤷Lei Up!: Shared Fortune 2
Evelyn & Entei
‎　⤷Team Pinpoint Entry 1
Falkner & Swellow
‎　⤷Group Spectacle 9
Glacia & Glalie
‎　⤷Fortuitous 4
Kali (Furisode Girl) & Azumarill
‎　⤷Stat Leech 3

‎

Leaf & Eevee
‎　⤷Endless Possibilities Extreme Evoboost
Lillie & Clefairy
‎　⤷X Accuracy All
Marlon & Carracosta
‎　⤷Team Pinpoint Entry 1
Maylene & Medicham
‎　⤷Gloves Off!: Precision Pals 1
Melony & Lapras
‎　⤷I Won’t Hold Back!: Precision Pals 1
Rosa (Holiday 2019) & Delibird
‎　⤷All the Presents!
‎　⤷All the Presents!: Shared Fortune 2
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‎　⤷Sixth Sense!
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[tired sleet]

Eep i didnt think the list was that long
Sorry for covering chat

[rancid wind]

I want to try doing a 12.5k run, but I'm not that knowledgeable with team comps.

My current "Grass users" are shown here.

How exactly should I approach this? On-Type Post-Sync? Should I do Off-Type?

[proud axle]

Round 2 amplifies status conditions, so toxic stall is especially effective there. Of the five fights, three of them have Lessen Poison 8 instead of the usual 9: Lorelei, Bruno, and Grimsley. However, each of them has a TM that complicates the toxic stall plan...
Lorelei's post-sync TM gives her regen, dragging out the fight. You need to be able to facetank her for longer than usual.
Grimsley uses a Dire Hit after sync, and he occasionally uses AoE Snarl to crit your entire party at once. You need to either be lucky, or account for non-Vigilant pairs taking way more damage.
Bruno has a Full Heal (which cures Toxic and resets its stack count) and uses Dire Hit post sync.

I see you have SSLeaf. You might even be able to stall two fights: one on Round 2 with a normal toxic inflictor, and one on another round with SSLeaf's Potent Toxin

Bertha demands weather. The simple fact that you're in massive danger without changing weather, means you can't plausibly get the +150 points for No Changing Weather/Zone/Terrain. Losing that and the +300 points for an on-type clear, is especially brutal. I would not recommend off-typing Bertha unless you have an insanely overpowered way to do it (e.g. Archie+SSKris+NeoSerena triple Master Pair team)

Round 4 has the dreaded half-sync-countdown round. You will really want to plan for this before you even begin your run.
I used double Third Anniversary Pikachus. With Elec Terrain and an EX Support sync buff, Ash's B Thunderbolt was able to obliterate the boss (Grimsley, for me) in one go, even with 12 Strength stacked on.

Neo Serena is the only actual new fight in this league; the others are copy/pasted from existing leagues. She has Ramming Speed and Inertia, she gains speed frequently to fuel them, her Water Shuriken is effectively 125 BP (5 hits guaranteed via No Quarter, 25BP per hit), and her whole team has Satisfied Snarl and Ripple Effect to ruin your whole team's SpAtk. Bring phys attackers (e.g. SSErika, Sycamore, Selene), or Dauntless/Impervious attackers (Brendan or Silver via Lucky Skill, Gardenia via gridded Sunny Disposition, Lodge Sycamore innate)

[full mesa]

Or just flinch 'em

[proud axle]

If you can give up the 100pt No Interferences thing, sure

[civic trellis]

Its only 50

[proud axle]

Wait, it is?

[toxic cobalt]

What if I flinch them and put them to sleep though?

[proud axle]

Giving up on flinches is only worth 50pts? DeNA why

[crystal notch]

yeah

giving up on status condition is also 50pts

[toxic cobalt]

Which was also always shockingly low

[civic trellis]

Tbh I dont use status conditions often outside of ss leaf who I only use for poison weak

[paper summit]

same, heck, I don't use interferences all that much either

[toxic cobalt]

Most people don't, because most people live life on hard mode

[paper summit]

denying left by KO with current day units is just as effective anyway

[old orchid]

flinch is overrated

[toxic cobalt]

I mean, Dreamy made a whole video on quadqueueing in the pins because it's so hard to explain, while this four word comment is literally better advice and easier to do

[paper summit]

fair, it's either some source of denial or your syncing pair having Adrenaline, much simpler than hoping to quadqueue successfully

[civic trellis]

Yeah I think the only time I need to use it is w SS Wally

No SS Lyra or CyruSS

[void wyvern]

This comment is staggering

[old orchid]

[tame gust]

wow, I was lazy this week. Gotta fast-track at least 10k on both leagues. I was trying to theory craft teams while also dealing with work. smh.

putting together some presets and then gonna send my tracks for more advice.

[full mesa]

Do 12.5k. 10k isn't acceptable anymore. HARDCORE

[keen jasper]

What a "Hostile Environment" we live in

[tulip python]

Goddamn that special stadium was tough

Idk why Sceptile, even with a Nuke grid doesn’t hit hard

Even with grass zone

Celebi hit way harder

[toxic cobalt]

Because of damage reduction parameters?

[paper summit]

1. It's Grassy Terrain, grass zone doesn't exist
2. SS Lyra is a tech, her sync move is of course gonna be much stronger, assuming she isn't only 1/5 that is
3. Maybe you picked the wrong parameters, or you didn't buff his speed for Inertia, there is quite a bit we don't know

[pallid urchin]

Oh shid. I'm still on Kanto e4
Lmao

Yall on a while new level

[warped jungle]

There a different chanel for the grass only CS?

[frosty axle]

nope

but there is videos like my F2P one if you need help

[warped jungle]

OKay thanks

[frosty axle]

no problem 👍

[warped jungle]

Can I do master mode with level 120 pairs??

[toxic cobalt]

uh. You can sort of

oh 120

yes

[warped jungle]

you can do with lvl 20!?

"sort of" 👀

[toxic cobalt]

Not with all 3! But technically you only need one pair on a high level

[warped jungle]

Oh thats what you meant

[frosty axle]

if you doing stall teams you probably can with all 120/125

[toxic cobalt]

Five stall teams

[warped jungle]

Stall teams like those poison ones?

[frosty axle]

yes

[warped jungle]

Cool cool

[frosty axle]

waiting for all poison weak one to do full stall

that will be fun

[warped jungle]

These my grass types. Can I make 5 teams for the theme CS??

Leafeon, Leaf and the dude between them is good I think

[zealous karma]

You’re not forced to in type the grass CS

[warped jungle]

Dunno about the rest, for dps

[warped jungle]

aint they too difficult??

[zealous karma]

dawn is a potent grass nuker
SSEirika amazing grass unit
Brendan is alright at 1/5 good at 2/5
Lyra can nuke and support at 3/5
Gardenia is prolly better than a 1/5 Brendan
Mallow is 3/5 reliant

[zealous karma]

No they’re actually easier than a normal CS stage

[warped jungle]

Ah okay. Never tried master mode before so Idk how hard they can be

[zealous karma]

Low hp for CS standards 18K base when most stages usually have 22K and they don’t have many passives the only semi difficult fight can be Serena

[warped jungle]

Those yt vids make em look way too easy LOL

[zealous karma]

They had tk make a CS that gives gems for rewards easy so players don’t deem it as P2W

[frosty axle]

if you talking about mine, well they are easy

[zealous karma]

Kanto for ref is the easiest CS month

And all these stages have the same stats

Bertha may prove difficult so e but should be fine

[warped jungle]

Yeah no shit. You make em look so effortless

[zealous karma]

Grass is a pretty stacked type

Especially considering it’s gen pool roster is pretty great

Oh and sycamore can just solo lel

Oh silver also has good grass DPs

[toxic cobalt]

Search for grass type moves not grass type pokemon

[warped jungle]

Whats this? What's MF??

[zealous karma]

Idt it’s master fair in this case lel

Oh wait it is master fair

[toxic cobalt]

It's a sign telling you to read

[zealous karma]

My master fair rates already are 0.1% so 🛌

Reading is hard when I’m tired

So I got to sleep

[toxic cobalt]

Why sleep when you can read?

[warped jungle]

Why read when you can just sit and stare in the dark?

[warped jungle]

Okay so I just copy this, make a team and do it??

Oh and how many pairs should have a grid??

[toxic cobalt]

You make teams, and then you see what parameters work for it

[warped jungle]

I dont have everything gridded

[toxic cobalt]

Generally you'll need to grid the main damage dealer

[warped jungle]

Okay

[toxic cobalt]

3/5 SS Erika is very nice if gridded. SS Leaf is an easy staller. 5/5 Gardenia will be great if you can grid her. Brendan might work with help.

[warped jungle]

SSErika is fully gridded

CCant grid gardenia dont have enuff stuff

Do have dauntless on Brendan but i dont think it'll matter much coz no decenet grid tiles

[toxic cobalt]

Brendan might work without grid

[warped jungle]

Okay, what kinda buffs he needs?

[toxic cobalt]

He buffs himself except for speed

[warped jungle]

So Yellow dog or Swanna?

[toxic cobalt]

Yes

Suspect Swanna is better

[warped jungle]

Okay

Dude got 90 accuracy on leaf storm, gonna matter?

[toxic cobalt]

not if you're lucky

[warped jungle]

Okay

[frosty axle]

its is if you play exactly like I do

[warped jungle]

It missed 3 times in one battle

[warped jungle]

Send links please

I'm not trying it on my own anymore

[frosty axle]

chance of that is low if they don't boost their evasion

[warped jungle]

I'm always so close

[frosty axle]

https://youtu.be/i899-sVq0_Q

[warped jungle]

I was against Bruno

[frosty axle]

so you getting quite bad luck

[warped jungle]

Yeah thats probably it

Also, idk what I selected but all my tm counts reduced to 1/1 and mpr didnt work even once

[toxic cobalt]

Sounds like you selected half-ally MP

[warped jungle]

I did 4 runs and got not a single mpr on swanna

mpr doesnt work either?

[frosty axle]

is that 3/5?

[warped jungle]

Yeh

[frosty axle]

then also bad luck

[warped jungle]

I got all the mpr tiles

[warped jungle]

Bruh how lucky can you get

[frosty axle]

sometimes for me restarting the app helps

[warped jungle]

Okay, will do that LOL

Oh btw my team was swanna, brendan, the water spider thing

bug water type

[frosty axle]

Araquanid

[warped jungle]

Yeah that

[frosty axle]

You don't have Meganium 3/5?

[warped jungle]

Now that I think about it, not the best team

I do have meganiun 3/5

[frosty axle]

use it for sun

[warped jungle]

And torterra too

[frosty axle]

I usually go Torterra, Meganium and Sceptile

[toxic cobalt]

What is the water spider for?

[warped jungle]

What the sun gonna do tho?

[frosty axle]

Sceptile gets sync grid sun tiles

[warped jungle]

Gradula healing and def

[warped jungle]

Sadly only 1/5. Only sun tile he got is status prevention or omething like that

[warped jungle]

Swanna wasnt helping with those def buffs and half ass speed and potion either

[frosty axle]

along with ramming speed

[toxic cobalt]

Replace her with a flincher or sleeper

[warped jungle]

@frosty axle

[frosty axle]

oh ok then can't use it

[warped jungle]

Okay, Lapras works? that 45 accuracy tho

[frosty axle]

You want Troublemaker 1 lucky skill

[warped jungle]

Or hypnosis better?

[frosty axle]

makes it 90%

[warped jungle]

Oh damn fr?? What cookie is that?

[toxic cobalt]

Lapras?

[warped jungle]

Yeah, Lapras??

[frosty axle]

that is crunchy cookie

[toxic cobalt]

Oh Melony

[warped jungle]

The G max one

[toxic cobalt]

Troublemaker does help

[warped jungle]

So, the best cookie for her is troublemaker? or just in this case??

She looks like another vigilance user

[frosty axle]

She reminds me of Primarina which I use Troublemaker

[toxic cobalt]

I'd almost always give troublemaker to a sing pair

[frosty axle]

but she can do accuracy

[warped jungle]

aWhat accuracy??

I do have primarina too, but only 1/5

[frosty axle]

comes from grid with Melony at 3/5 I think

[warped jungle]

Okay so, Swanna, Brendan, Melony?? Melony is 1/5 too ._.

[frosty axle]

remember if using sing don't use no status

[warped jungle]

If I got pairs that I dont have or arent at 3/5 instead of the ones that are alreadt 5/5 it wpuldve been so much more easier

[frosty axle]

You will get them eventually

[warped jungle]

Bruh I've got eevee like 10 times AFTER getting her to 5/5

[frosty axle]

I lost count how many I have seen

same with most old pairs and want the new ones

[dusk zenith]

i would like some help to create a team for grass champion stadium if anyone is available

[pliant zinc]

Hello i need help please, i copy this team and this malus but the enemy throws me the duo ability emptier than in the replay of the team, how to succeed please

[toxic cobalt]

Looks like you have SS Leaf, SS Erika, Brendan, Mallow, Sycamore, second Sycamore, and expanded Silver. What stage are you having trouble with?

[dusk zenith]

the new 12.5k paramaters im having kinda struggle with

[toxic cobalt]

On-type, the new 12.5k parameters are easier than the old 10k. Off-typing is a bit trickier, but I don't think you have to worry abou tthat with your units.

[old orchid]

Dont copy teams from replay feature. Gardenia at least wants Dauntless lucky skill in that team

Its better to run her with a sun setter

[toxic cobalt]

Haha I was wondering if that was my team but I used Blaine Gardenia RosaEX

[pliant zinc]

Haaan ok 😭

[toxic cobalt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWTPyXf4XzE

[dusk zenith]

i see thanks, will see what i can do then

[crystal notch]

Huh, do people actually copy teams from replay feature?

[old orchid]

Some people do, but its recommended to watch the footage first to see how that team work

[dusk zenith]

if im lazy and if i got the units from there which in most cases i dont

[old orchid]

Its better to ask for help here

[dusk zenith]

yeah

[crystal notch]

Hmmm can I teambuild for next week CS here

Or should I wait for reset

[dusk zenith]

we got info so might as well do it early and just get it done with when it comes

[dusty yarrow]

You can technically teambuild since the typings are already given but do prepare for the parameter in-case "Half-Sync" or other game-changing Round Parameters

[crystal notch]

Noted

[dusty yarrow]

Also, keep the Gimmicks of the Stages in mind (tho this is Kanto, which is lacking w/ Gimmicks beside Ground Weak guarantee Def & Sp.Def -1 Debuffs)

[toxic cobalt]

A rare usable team though for that feature

[crystal notch]

grass weak lorelei:
if half sync param: silver-mayziken-cbede, blast her team to death with -3 sync accel so I sync on turn 2
otherwise:
silver mayziken cbede
selene sc steven a support (sc steven to take advantage of restraint multipliers)
lodge sycamore - poisoner - support

ground weak bruno:
could offtype with ss steven + lucian + someone else (no psy terrain in my roster sadge)
may-cyrus-ss blue (rain aboose)

dark weak agatha:
(I don't have karen!)
sc zinn - ...grimsley? - someone (five stats up is free)

lance:
either center on cyrus
or center on ex zinnia
support etc undecided

blue:
...I'm not stalling him ever again
...my roxie is at 1/5, but I have looker

[dark osprey]

Honestly... Ignore the half sync parameter. Will see if it's actually there

And stalling on poison weak stages are actually straight forward since they're designed for that

[crystal notch]

Really?

I'm surprised

Great then blue is solved

[dark osprey]

Yeah. Should be easy

[crystal notch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1095931089173885010/1097049753851797564/SyncPairsTracker_3.png

[dark osprey]

Can check out the basic moveset for next week on pomatools as well

[dusty yarrow]

I myself put "half-sync" in mind in building, cuz I myself have struggled with Half-Syncs during my noob or earlier days & I get tried when I prepared a team only for that param to screw it... although nowadays I just build teams for Fun/Wanna Try this over Optimal...

[crystal notch]

yeah blue is solvable

I was worried he'd bring his hurricane pidgeot

but turns out that's a no

oh it has sync cure

bleh

I'll remember to re-poison

[dark osprey]

No worries. He may have sync cure but you can just poison him again

And would suggest trap as well

[crystal notch]

bruno seems to want a sp atk team, ss steven time (and I'll ex him next week so bruno should be solvable)

[dark osprey]

Since he's all special, can bring in someone like misty and Viola as well along with a poisoner

[dusty yarrow]

<- Week 3/ Week 4 (Yes, All Off-type) ->

• I have the worst Arsenal for an All-Offtype + tho Spliting C.Serena and Alt.Iris is better, I'll be trying a copium w/ Leon Off-type

[crystal notch]

noted

agatha is a little bit worrying

since I wanted to delay b-snatch to after/just before pre sync

but eh, never mind, if she dies before sync then good for me

I'm just worried sc zinnia won't be able to nuke

even if turn 1 b-snatch should max out her rising tide iirc with five stats up

[dark osprey]

SC Zinnia alone should do crazy damage. Can support her with what she needs

[dusty yarrow]

I mean... she just get +2 Atk & SpA... that's her gimmick

You have SC Zinnia, so its probably easy

[crystal notch]

ok yeah agatha can be said to be solvable

hmm

it's just dragon weak lance now

cyrus or zinn?

[dusty yarrow]

Cyrus is more reliable to me (Zinnia still works too but Cyrus a bit easier to use)

[dark osprey]

Hope your Cyrus is powerboosted and EXed

[crystal notch]

....as a 20 day player?

yeah, no

[dusty yarrow]

thats the same for Zinnia I guess...

• the powerboost

[crystal notch]

...you do realize zinnia just reran?

LMAO

[dark osprey]

Hmm. Thought so. Guess Zinnia may be better

[crystal notch]

I have zinnia ex

[dusty yarrow]

if Mega is her Powerboost

[crystal notch]

yeah I have mega rayq

[dark osprey]

But she demands a bit much

[dusty yarrow]

Weather

[dark osprey]

Weather and crit

I think Acerola and a crit buffer would be nice if she's gridded fully

As in Zinnia gridded

[dusty yarrow]

You need 3/5 for that

[dark osprey]

Not acerola

3/5 on whom?

[dusty yarrow]

Oh... I thought running Acerola as both Crit Buffer and Weather

[dark osprey]

Oh no no

[dusty yarrow]

bad Idea especially if only started

[dark osprey]

That's something that was tried in desperation

Back in the day

With Zinnia aerial ace eagle eye

[crystal notch]

[dark osprey]

So yeah. Zinnia, acerola/Winona and a crit buffer should be decent

[crystal notch]

noted

just need to wait for reset now

to try

[dusty yarrow]

Is Hop used already for other teams?

[crystal notch]

nope

I haven't actually decided on any support

except perhaps for poison stall swinmisty

and cbede for silver and mayziken if needed

although I suspect lodge sycamore can nuke with enough buffers

[dark osprey]

Lodge sycamore, regular sycamore EX and if needed, a poisoner would maybe not even need the nuking. Dps would be great. If sycamore not EXed then maybe a little sync help

[crystal notch]

yeah, my only EXed LA is zinnia as seen from my roster

it is what it is

[old orchid]

Lodge Dawn is a good option if you dont have power boosted Sycamore

[crystal notch]

true, but with 20 days under my belt, I don't even have a trainer maxed to 100

(note that before the break I played just when lodge was being introduced and people were figuring things out)

side note but

should I raise up a dark dps in the future

or is sc zinnia enough of a dark dps

I love playing with her vs someone like sidney cause she's a character I like

(sorry sidney or karen)

[dark osprey]

SC Zinnia should be more than enough. Is she at 3/5?

[mellow linden]

She has good damage output on her own, but keep in mind that if you ever have issues you can always run a 2nd Dark damage-dealer alongside her

[dark osprey]

True that

[mellow linden]

She’s very gauge-friendly for CS fights

[crystal notch]

no, but when I have enough candies I'll do that

it's just that tech candies are up to grabs

and I'm a bit worried aloVA will come with a tech that wants it more

[dark osprey]

Dark has got a few good nukers in the general pool like Sidney and masked royal

As cobalt mentioned, can run Zinnia with someone else

[crystal notch]

noted

[dark osprey]

Karen needs the first sync and some setup for good damage

[crystal notch]

I just prefer to play with the characters I like, haha

[dark osprey]

Yeah. That's great

[crystal notch]

maybe if zoroN returns I'll get him since he's a fave

[dark osprey]

Also if you got Nessa, she is good as dark dps

[crystal notch]

the dreadnaw?

[dark osprey]

Yeah

Not sync for dark though

[crystal notch]

yeah I can sync with sc zinn

not a bad idea, since I like nessa

[mellow linden]

Nessa’s honestly a great Sync Pair in terms of CS value

Being able to use her for Dark or Water is fantastic

[crystal notch]

yeah!

brb raising her

sc zinnia - nessa - someone then ( maybe giocat? )

side note but

bea nuke isn't that great off type is she?

even with fighting zone?

[mellow linden]

At 3/5 she becomes a solid off-type option, iirc

Thanks to Inertia

[dark osprey]

Fighting zone means you'd probably be getting cHop right?

Then nuke with him itself

[crystal notch]

what, no, ssa cynthia exists

[dark osprey]

Her zone usually runs out right

[mellow linden]

Regarding this, regular Hop is probably one of the better options since SC Zinnia is super gauge-friendly and Nessa moderately so

[crystal notch]

sure

behemoth bash?

[mellow linden]

Metal Claw unless you got the Free Move effect from Freevenge

[dark osprey]

With SSA Cynthia the idea is just to take the most offensive parameters possible coz she can take it

[crystal notch]

I see, noted

[dark osprey]

I guess SC Zinnia is kinda gauge negative

Like the time taken for the move to go through and all

Would be cool to use her in different teams

[old orchid]

Zinnia gets FMN when she attacks unbuffed enemies

Most of time she just uses 2 gauge in the entire battle

[crystal notch]

true

too bad csmm loves buffing themselves

[mellow linden]

Well that’s the thing

[crystal notch]

just delay the b-snatch until they're finished buffing?

[mellow linden]

Her Buddy Move applies an effect to the enemy field that prevents buffs

[crystal notch]

oh right

i keep forgetting that

HA

bye agatha

[mellow linden]

So outside of a scripted buff very late in the fight you usually won’t have to worry about it

And in most cases you’re KOing the center before then

So it’s super nice

[crystal notch]

beautiful

[tame gust]

Basically SC Zinnia can ruin most fights. Though I think anything with stat drop invuln invalidates our top-hat wearing Steven troll

[crystal notch]

true

[crystal notch]

I love the desc

I hope to get her to 3/5 for flinchbot reasons (and because honestly she gains more from the candies than ss steven)

[mellow linden]

An opponent with Impervious would put a damper on her kit, yeah

[tame gust]

Her sync nuke also hits hella hard so yeah, I’m thinking at EX she could probably, if not one-shot mid, heavily damaged it with her sync

[crystal notch]

bruno for example right

who else?

[mellow linden]

I think 1 or 2 variants of Will, but iirc no Dark weak stages have stat drop immunity, so it’s largely when off-typing that it becomes a concern

I’ll confirm that now though

Yeah, no Dark weak CS stages are immune to stat drops

[crystal notch]

noted

what about offtypes?

this is also useful info for poison stall

[mellow linden]

So the largest concern is if the buff prevention effect would wear off at a bad time in the cases of some of them who use a buff right before Sync

[crystal notch]

had to offtype instead of poison stall bruno last week

[mellow linden]

Checking off-types now

Actually there’s way too many for me to go through, probably best to do off-type checks on a week-by-week basis

[crystal notch]

alright, thanks for trying anyways

[tame gust]

Oh right, I gotta pass some teams by y’all when I get home later today for Kanto E4 10k

[crystal notch]

ngl I can see the thrill of why people love CS

[mellow linden]

It’s pretty fun once you get the hang of it

[crystal notch]

yeah!

although I need to learn more about flinching etc

[dark osprey]

I guess other than impervious, some like Shauntal, marshall etc. have dauntless, headstrong, unbending, stalwart etc. which may sometimes be a problem

[crystal notch]

and honestly when center dies post sync I sometimes wrongly guess whether it's right or left that's going to move

cost me a few bertha fights

[mellow linden]

I’m gonna be honest, I still haven’t fully figured out that one

[dark osprey]

It's the one that's moved last. If you haven't denied anyone and pre synced the center, it would be the right mon

[mellow linden]

Oh

Well TIL

[tame gust]

I’ve got two toxic stall teams

Team 1 is Lucy, Aaron, Tech Queen
Team 2 is double Janine and BP Morty

[crystal notch]

what if you deny center

on that turn

[onyx ice]

She has stat block, but you can only do it turn 2, so if the impervious opponent buffs turn 1 or on entry, it will destroy zinnia kit

[crystal notch]

or denied someone else beforehand (pre sync)

[dark osprey]

Either ways

Even if denied, it's the one that moved earlier than the other

[crystal notch]

wait so is it the one who moved earlier or the one who moved last

[dark osprey]

Sorry if I'm unclear. The one who moved earlier

[crystal notch]

ahh I see

[dark osprey]

It's like the enemies move center, right, center, left, center and then usually the center uses it's last TM

And by then you would try and kill the center

So the right one had moved earlier than the left

[crystal notch]

basically the one who didn't move last

got it

[dark osprey]

Exactly

[tame gust]

How scary would it be if enemies could triple queue lmao

[crystal notch]

would be an entirely different game

that's how early pomas sucked

because no one really knew to triple queue

so enemies effectively had three times the moves

...yeah, I played launch pomas

it was grindy and terrible

[tame gust]

Glad they made the game better

[crystal notch]

yeah

counterintuitively

this happened because no stamina system

so devs knew people would just spam them all day long

and balanced pomas like an MMO

[tame gust]

stares at KRMMOs that still have stam costs

[vagrant shuttle]

Can I have help with this stage?

I'm using the 2.5k ontype pre sync

I tried with lugia a lot of times

I'll always kill the sides, and get the middle low, then I lose dmg and can't kill em kff

Off?

[magic notch]

Thank you for providing a base for me to build onto

[dark osprey]

Darach cannot lower attack of Bruno for this since he's got impervious iirc

[toxic cobalt]

Hurtful to show off your SS Morty

[dark osprey]

So maybe better to go with some other flying unit

Regular Blue, SS Elesa and Anni Skyla may be a good combo

[toxic cobalt]

What was the Lugia team?

[dark osprey]

Wth

How didn't that work

Didn't see that

[crystal notch]

they say they focused on sides

[vagrant shuttle]

Oh that was another team I tried. I originally tried lugia instead of him

[crystal notch]

so they couldn't kill mid in time

[vagrant shuttle]

I tried this. I'd always get close to winning, then the Bruno decides to ignore all my flinches

[toxic cobalt]

Might be better to replace SS Morty with someone providing speed and crit if possible?

[vagrant shuttle]

Replaced with syca

[crystal notch]

...who is providing crit

Syca doesn't provide crit

At least not on sync

[dusk zenith]

welp somehow managed to do grass stadium

[crystal notch]

I doubt his TM applies crit too

[rotund lagoon]

He does have Team Sharp Entry on power boosted grid, but that’s it

[crystal notch]

huh

yeah still not enough crit is it

[rotund lagoon]

It’s only 1 Crit tho

[crystal notch]

yikes

[crystal notch]

...have you managed to win?

skyla...does she bring crits?

[vagrant shuttle]

Sadly not yet

[rotund lagoon]

Nope

[vagrant shuttle]

I keep getting down to just machamp

[crystal notch]

yeah get a crit buffer

[vagrant shuttle]

But he keeps Turing the tables

Turning*

[rotund lagoon]

Change Sycamore to someone who does Crit. Not Sycamore

[dusk zenith]

why dont you use swellow

instead of oh ho

[vagrant shuttle]

Should i just try off type?

[rotund lagoon]

Falkner is a good choice if you have him available.

[vagrant shuttle]

Dies way too quickly.

[dusk zenith]

only need his buffs real quick

[rotund lagoon]

Well you also don’t have Support EX either. Is this Hard or Master Mode?

[dusk zenith]

i hate bruno the most

went off type on grass stadium cuz he annoying

[vagrant shuttle]

Master mode

This happenes

Should I just try off type?

[dusk zenith]

what parameter you use?

[crystal notch]

...you use falkner to buff crit

[dusk zenith]

i see already something wrong

[vagrant shuttle]

I'm currently using the 2.5k Ontype presync

[crystal notch]

Not to fly

[dusk zenith]

you want to use falkners buffs he provides

[vagrant shuttle]

Don't I use him to dodge, and get the extra defenses?

[dusk zenith]

[vagrant shuttle]

If not he dies from 1 cc

[dusk zenith]

let me see if my friend has skyla and i will try to run same scenario on his acc

cuz he got lugia

but falkner shouldnt die that fast

did you give sync orbs too all?

[crystal notch]

Are you on masochist params

[vagrant shuttle]

Teah

Yeah*

[vagrant shuttle]

Nah just regular. Lemme check to be sure though

[crystal notch]

Did you accidentally press additional + strength or sth

[vagrant shuttle]

Maybe

[crystal notch]

Mind recording one-shotted falkner

[vagrant shuttle]

I just reset them and plugged it back in

[vagrant shuttle]

Oh I deleted the parameters. Put the proper ones now

[crystal notch]

yeah as in

report back

if he still gets

one shotted

[vagrant shuttle]

Ah okay

Set

Sry

[dusk zenith]

i tried on my friends acc without tornadus (but basically same thing) but he should be able to do 2 dire hit all+ and 1 soar at least

[vagrant shuttle]

Just happened.

[dusk zenith]

dire hit all first twice

since you are using lugias sp atk anyways

no need to use soar on falkner first

prioritize dire hit all

[vagrant shuttle]

Okie

I'll try again

[dusk zenith]

and also wait for sync to ready up(well at least thats my preference)

[toxic cobalt]

Stop queueing if you can already sync. Sync and then queue.

[dusk zenith]

^

[vagrant shuttle]

??

[rotund lagoon]

+triplequeue

[frozen depot]

In Pokemon Masters, the battles revolve around using your Sync Move as fast as possible.
Using moves will reduce its cooldown, which is also the case for the opponent!
This is why you always want all your pairs on the field to have moves queue'd.
Have 3 ally moves in between each 1 enemy move, even at the start!
After 9 moves, you can wait to queue your Sync.

See this quick footage for how to Triple Queue :
https://tinyurl.com/triplequeue101

For more beginner infos, check our #1010307000346878062.

[dusk zenith]

also dont use flying wish early

since you are still setting up buffs

[rotund lagoon]

Watch the video I just sent

[vagrant shuttle]

Ah

[rotund lagoon]

You need to stop and queue sync first, then queue the next moves or you’ll be slower in dishing out your next sync.

[vagrant shuttle]

Oh

It worked

Quick question

How come the ai doesn't queue up a move while I'm waiting for sync after 9th move?

Also thank you all for the help

[rotund lagoon]

Opponent AI…?

[toxic cobalt]

Thé AI can only queue one move at a time

[dusk zenith]

imagine if they queued 3

[vagrant shuttle]

Yeah opponents ai

Cuz like, while I was waiting for my sync

It was like a good 3 seconds

But they didn't queue up

So I was confused

Thank you all either way, I was actually on the stage for a good 3 hours

[rotund lagoon]

I cannot really explain unless I see it in video tbh

[crystal notch]

Basically asking how can quadqueue exist

When usually enemies will just queue after you

(E.g. on terrain expiry)

...that's what you're asking right

Since you mentioned sync

[hollow night]

Hi i need help with Gaia for 2.5k, what team can use?

[crystal notch]

...errr, eng name who?

[hollow night]

A sorry

[proud axle]

With a name like Gaia, I suspect Bertha

[vagrant shuttle]

Yeah that

[crystal notch]

True

But who knows, maybe it's bruno

[hollow night]

Bertha

Nah Gaia=earth = ground

[toxic cobalt]

You could use Silver or Brendan or Victor

[crystal notch]

...I hope you're not doing her R4

are you?

[hollow night]

R4

[crystal notch]

...yeahhhhhhh, suspected so when I saw that your roster was full of easily 2.5k trainers

have you tried getting rid of sandstorm

[hollow night]

Yeah but i don't konow what it's the Best sun team

[toxic cobalt]

Doesn’t have to be the best, many could work

[proud axle]

Basically the enemy actually requires a split second of idle time to queue a move. During the "preparation" animation before the screen transition for a sync move animation, the enemy is not allowed to queue things. It isn't "idle" time for the enemy, for some reason, even when you are allowed to queue things while the screen is fading to white.
So if you have the sync move be the first thing in the queue, usually* the enemy cannot queue something until a split second after it's over. And if you're fast enough, you can have the pair who just did the sync move cram something into the queue before them. The timing is very tight, though.

*Certain passive skills, triggering in response to incoming attacks, allow the enemy to queue something while they animate before the sync. The expiration of a field effect-- weather, accel field, Light Screen, etc-- can also give the enemy some idle time to queue something before your sync.

[vagrant shuttle]

Nice

Ty all again

[proud axle]

Quadqueue means you get a sync, and three moves towards the countdown for your next sync, in the same round. This keeps you exactly on track for two syncs in six rounds-- that is, two syncs before the enemy's first sync if you can't get a denial on the way.

[crystal notch]

noted, very interesting

does this split second change on fast/slowness setting

because sandstorm/weather effects lag my phone

so if I must then I will just set to slow and quadqueue usually
but if it turns out that the split second stays the same on all speed settings

[proud axle]

It isn't always possible; if you have a round condition (e.g. both sides start with phys shield) or a sync pair (e.g. Blaine gridded for Quick Tempo) automatically applying a field effect at the start of battle, you have to do weird shit if you want to quadqueue or else they'll expire exactly in the time gap before your first sync

[proud axle]

I've heard that people manage quadqueue with a greater success rate on higher speed settings, though sometimes I suspect it's some kind of confirmation bias. I am unaware of any firmer evidence one way or the other

I just mash the button for the next move and pray to RNGesus that I manage to hit it exactly at the right time

[crystal notch]

mood

[proud axle]

One of the "weird shit" ways to change the effective expiration time of field effects, is to add Sandstorm or Hail. Field expiration is based partly on a timer and then on a turn count; Sandstorm and Hail make every turn eat a little more time than usual since the weather has to do a "bonk" animation every time someone moves. This means those two weathers tend to expire a move or two sooner than most, and can cause other field effects to expire "sooner" as well

You may have been told not to summon Sun or Rain as your first move on the first turn, because they expire in The Forbidden Time Gap if you do that.
For Sand and Hail, you might actually want to summon them as the first move on the first turn so they expire sooner-- unless you want then active during the sync itself (e.g. Olivia nuke)

[hearty lynx]

managed to beat round 1 special CS with gardenia sycamore and blaine phew

[dark osprey]

Nice. That's a great budget team

[crystal notch]

huh

noted

[hearty lynx]

I wanted to save my 3/5 ss erika

Also can poison and have a weather battle against bertha

[dark osprey]

Yeah. Ss Erika could be the sole damage dealer

[hearty lynx]

Dont know what to use against serena though that will be tough

[dark osprey]

Which other grass damage dealers do you have?

If you want, can use silver, tech Vulpix and EX Ross maybe for Bertha

[hearty lynx]

Maybe lyra but idk how to use her

[dusk zenith]

personally i useed lyra brendan and morty (for sun)

sun brendan with dauntless

[crystal notch]

so you're telling me I can prevent ssa cynthia from ruining my quadqueue

[dark osprey]

Can also try nuke Dawn along with Hilbert 3/5 or similar attack crit buffers, ghetsis/masked royal to setup her nuke

[crystal notch]

by adding sandstorm

wonderful

[hearty lynx]

Ah hmm

[proud axle]

Theoretically yes. Though in SSA's case I'd go for a left-side denial, if you're using Fighting on-type. If she's just there for tanking, you're gonna have to either do Weird Shit or just plan around not quadqueuing

Like... You can also race the timer portion of the field effect duration, by using moves with short animations (e.g. Tackle) and doing Flinch/Sleep denials on the enemy

(KO denial prompts a lengthy faint animation so it doesn't always save time)

[crystal notch]

noted

how interesting

[proud axle]

It was probably designed with the very old launch-era balance in mind

Where both teams would be expected to just eventually run out of gauges and stare each other down for several seconds at a time while waiting to charge up enough to use a move

[mellow linden]

Note that when LG rolls back around you can use deluxe cookies to give SSA Cynthia Adrenaline and it’ll be much easier than any alternative when it comes to ensuring you Sync twice before the opponent Syncs

[crystal notch]

...she doesn't want vigilance?!

[proud axle]

She does

This is an alternative

[crystal notch]

ok

[mellow linden]

She can actually afford to run something other than Vigilance due to sheer bulk

[crystal notch]

I was worried running through 30 cookies was for nothing

[mellow linden]

But if you’d prefer Vigilance then obviously stick with it

[proud axle]

Adrenaline means you don't need quadqueue to stay on track for two-syncs-before-the-enemy-does-their-first

[crystal notch]

hmmm

what's adrenaline desc

reduce sync cycle move needed by 1?

[mellow linden]

1st time the pair Syncs they reduce the Sync countdown by 1

[crystal notch]

ah

for pre sync

[proud axle]

In other words your second sync cycle only needs 8 moves instead of 9

[crystal notch]

yeah understood

[mellow linden]

Yeah, Adrenaline helps for pre-Sync strategies

[crystal notch]

if I sync with ssa ex cynthia first

yep noted

[proud axle]

Yeah, you got it exactly

[dark osprey]

I think with SSA Cynthia you could manage offtype without the zone nuke usually

[crystal notch]

Really?

[dark osprey]

Should take all the attack +1,+3,+5 parameters

[crystal notch]

even with 1/5 Bea?

[dark osprey]

Kinda. The thing with 1/5 Bea is that extra crit needed

Can use 1/5 Bea along with Bruno for eg

Take ally HP half as well

[crystal notch]

...huh

That's news to me

[dark osprey]

When I initially got SSA Cynthia did do with 3/5 Bea and Bruno

Many use the normal strength parameters with SSA Cynthia but that seems to be a waste

[proud axle]

Is this for Kanto Lorelei?

Or is this just general Cynthia strats

[dark osprey]

I mean generally

Can use SSA Cynthia if needed for a slightly post sync clear now without the zone as well

[proud axle]

Just facetank it with +6 defenses and then win before their next attack, huh

And the next attack is often two moves after sync

[dark osprey]

Yeah. I mean with 2 damage guards and potions as well

[crystal notch]

Do sides just...use buffs

This sounds pretty weird

Enemy sides I mean

[proud axle]

After sync? Sides stop attacking until boss dies

[crystal notch]

Not our side

As in, pre sync

Since ssa dmg shield is one time use

And she gains one first time she syncs

[dark osprey]

She gets one on sync as well

Ah yeah

[proud axle]

Yeah, Cynthia will still have to facetank a good bit

[crystal notch]

But pre sync is 4 Enemy moves

Ah

[proud axle]

6 moves, minus presync scripted TM, minus maybe one regular random TM, minus two damage guards

Cynthia might well only take two actual hits

[dark osprey]

Yeah. Luckily the damage guard hits also add to the b move counter

[crystal notch]

How does one use sc steven for CS anyways

He has everything a phys attacker wants

But I can't cram all leers and PUN and SEUN

Or well, I'm not managing them correctly

[dark osprey]

Personally I feel since on type may be the most usual usage, it's better to give priority to the TM and SEUN

Can use the SEUN for nukes as well

B move maybe lower priority

[void wyvern]

Sometimes you gotta prioritize what your team needs.

[crystal notch]

I see

[void wyvern]

It comes down to how you intend to do most of your damage.

[crystal notch]

And on that note

Is it better to conserve two PUN for one dps attack (dps doesn't attack while waiting, probably self buffing)

Or would PUN atk PUN atk be fine?

[void wyvern]

Pun Atk pun Atk is fine if you’re all buffed up

Which you should be considering you don’t want to use those’s PUN’s before first sync

[dark osprey]

Stacking PMUN isn't a bad idea especially if you get that attack after an EX support sync

[crystal notch]

Noted

[void wyvern]

Pun is addictive not multiplicative iirc. So it changes the formula.

Because 6 puns or 2 x 3 puns is still the same.

[crystal notch]

So turn one tackle (apply rebuff), dps attack
Turn two PUN, dps buffs
Turn three PUN, dps buffs
EX Support syncs
Dps atks?

[void wyvern]

That would work

[crystal notch]

I'm a little worried that dps would lose that attack dps

[void wyvern]

But if your dps is physical you can save the PUN until after you slide in 2 leers. The defence lower can help you. And it may also help you setup multipliers.

[crystal notch]

Yeah true

[proud axle]

You can slightly adjust the timing

Turn 1 DPS buff, tackle
Turn 2 DPS attack, PUN in that order

[void wyvern]

You can’t leer turn 1

[proud axle]

Oh

Tackle, let me edit

(I don't have SC Steven)

[void wyvern]

Remember. The trick to a good team is knowing how you want to deal your damage. That includes looking at how you want to get your buffs, and multipliers.

So whether or not SC Steven provides to those multipliers is an important consideration.

[crystal notch]

True

[void wyvern]

But you aren’t actually losing any damage by doing Atk with 3 puns and attacking with 3 puns again.

[crystal notch]

Selene has restraint multipliers so that's fun (but haha at that point it's building around sc steven instead of building around the damage dealer)

[dark osprey]

But honestly though, SC Steven is got a very crowded and very useful kit that you may not even need to setup your multipliers. It's weird

[void wyvern]

please set your multipliers up

[dark osprey]

Like he could just use one of those TMs and that's more than any DPS multiplier helps

[crystal notch]

Yeah the people here have been very helpful

Like racing rain and inertia etc

I wouldn't have paid attention to them 8 months ago

[dark osprey]

Yeah. Like everything else, many heads usually do help

We still learn things here

And ask too

[proud axle]

The game started giving exact values for passives that have a probability to activate; it is kinda weird that they don't provide numbers for passives like those.

[crystal notch]

Aaah

I'm so excited for Cs reset

[storm quest]

Hiyaaa.

Does the Pasio CS reset weekly like the normal one? Like will we be able to reset it and get rewards again next week?

[tired sleet]

No

It’ll stay the same while its here for this period

[storm quest]

So I don't have to rush to get it done today

[tired sleet]

You should probably do it earlier rather than later just in case, but there is no rush

[storm quest]

Yeah I just wound up busier than I expected and am glad I don't have to worry about it today lol

[hearty lynx]

1 week left

but yeah best to start as soon as possible so you can still reset if you're having a tough time

[frosty axle]

still need to do my runs thought it was a month

[brave halo]

So I'm kinda stumped, this is for tomorrow cs, just regular not MM as I'm not ready for that but I have 2 options to do here but idk which to do

Either change piers to Nita or change solgaleo to gladion

[mellow linden]

No one is weak to Steel or Fighting tomorrow, so tbh I have no idea what that team is supposed to accomplish

[brave halo]

Isn't lance weak to steel tomorrow?

[civic trellis]

Grass ground poison dark and dragon

[mellow linden]

Also, 850 points per stage is very close to Hard Mode in terms of difficulty (especially with the new parameters they added recently) and gives all the most important rewards, so if you have the type medal taken care but are still new to Master Mode you should definitely give it a shot

[civic trellis]

That was the first week

[mellow linden]

No, Dragon. We’re on week 3 of Kanto CS

[civic trellis]

We are on week 3 now

[civic trellis]

Tmrw’s weaknesses

[mellow linden]

Week 4 will be the return of Steel weak Lance

[brave halo]

Well I guess I can keep these teams for the next week then

Still non mm tho

[mellow linden]

If you’re set on sticking with Hard Mode (though I still recommend at least trying 850 per stage MM) then as long as you ensure proper team synergy you can pretty much pick whoever as your damage-dealer

[civic trellis]

Have u gotten all 18 pieces yet?

[brave halo]

My problem with steel is solgaleo is my only actually invested steel striker, the only reason I'm thinking gladion is due to no speed increasing

[brave halo]

Yes but means nothing right now

[civic trellis]

There’s no reason to do hard mode if u have ur medal filled out

Standard dmg reduction, physical/special reduction, and -2 gauge is already 700 free points

[brave halo]

I've tried but got destroyed

[mellow linden]

Hop + Solgaleo + Speed buffer (Skyla, Marley, Lodge Dawn, to name a few) can definitely manage 850 points on Master Mode for Steel weak stages

[civic trellis]

The ones I recommended are basically free and wont make a difference but u’ll get more rewards

[brave halo]

But remember I barely have any ex

[civic trellis]

If ur not using field effects u can choose that one as well for 850, or some other params that negate things u dont use

[civic trellis]

Doing MM will help u get them

[brave halo]

So will regular cs but is actually manageable

[civic trellis]

And u can prob get 850 using params that wont increase difficulty

[civic trellis]

MM isnt automatically harder

[mellow linden]

Parameters of:

• Physical Dmg. Reduction (50 points)

• Special Dmg. Reduction (50 points)

• No Status Conditions (50 points, substitute as needed)

• Special Damage Reduction 8 (100 points, substitute as needed)

• Ally Move Gauge Max -2 (300 points)

• Standard Damage Reduction 8 (300 points)

Will give you 850 points with no difficulty increase whatsoever, at most maybe a 10% increase if for some reason you’re heavily relying on an off-type Support’s damage

[civic trellis]

Its just hard mode with added params, so adding params that wont change difficulty will give u more rewards without increasing the difficulty

[brave halo]

Well those parameters will curb stomp me, like I said I barely got any ex

[mellow linden]

Again, those parameters mean no difficulty increase over Hard Mode

[civic trellis]

That should be enough….

[brave halo]

Here let's make it easier to explain how bad it was

[civic trellis]

Especially since ur not increasing difficulty

[brave halo]

I lost with ash and red

[civic trellis]

What stage

[mellow linden]

And what parameters did you pick

[zealous karma]

If you have standard dr and are off typing you’d lose with anyone lel

[brave halo]

I don't remember but I basically did next to no damage

[tired sleet]

If you aren’t winning with the params cobalt suggested then you wouldn’t win hard mode either

[civic trellis]

U prob chose standard dmg reduction….

[mellow linden]

So likely some combination of Special Damage Reduction 8/Physical Damage Reduction 8/Standard Damage Reduction 8

Standard Damage Reduction 8 will cut off-type damage by 80%, and Physical Damage Reduction 8/Special Damage Reduction 8 will do the same for physical moves and special moves respectively

[brave halo]

I'm basically making a vow to not touch mm until I have enough ex and sticking to that

[civic trellis]

What r ur teams

[mellow linden]

I’m gonna be blunt: because of 1 bad experience (likely caused by a lack of knowledge on parameters), you are shooting yourself in the foot until you reach an arbitrary goal

[brave halo]

Don't have any set up right now for tomorrow yet, I was mistaking the wrong week, that's on me

[civic trellis]

What teams did u use this week

[tired sleet]

You’re reducing your ex progression by a massive amount by refusing to do 3900 pts simply because you didn’t choose the right params once

[proud axle]

3900? Wouldn't that be laughably easy?

[tired sleet]

It should be

[proud axle]

Str6 and Standard Reduction 8 on every fight would get you 4500 I think

[tired sleet]

^

[brave halo]

This is what I used this week

This was mainly to get all the types I needed to get in one go

[civic trellis]

How r u losing?

[mellow linden]

The one extra note on the parameters I gave as an example is that if you’re off-typing you’ll need to replace Standard Damage Reduction 8

[sinful garden]

even if you lacked ontype pairs you could pretty much offtype everything with those

[tired sleet]

If you don’t want to take standard damage reduction then just take strength +3

[civic trellis]

Just find smth to replace sdr8

[sinful garden]

zerena, ash and red can clear a stage offtype each

[civic trellis]

If ur off typing

[mellow linden]

Which may lead to a minor difficulty increase depending on what you replace it with

[civic trellis]

U dont rlly need EXs, sure they make it easier but def not needed

The pairs u have do enough damage already

[proud axle]

Red and Ash together can OHKO a boss offtype with 12 Strength via B Thunderbolt

[brave halo]

Well I had the worse trouble with I believe Agatha here, and that was just hard mode so yeah mm will only make that impossible, I need to stay away from it for a while, I'm not gonna keep going back to lose 20 times in a row

[mellow linden]

Again, 850 can be done with no difficulty increase

[tired sleet]

You’re completely ignoring our advice

[void wyvern]

there’s nothing wrong with starting slow and working your way up.

[proud axle]

How would that team lose against Agatha...? Mindlessly set Special Reduction 8 without realizing?

[civic trellis]

@brave halo

[mellow linden]

I’m just gonna give a “super-lite” parameter set that will offer absolutely zero difficulty increase unless your team already has innate problems (in which case that’s an issue unrelated to Master Mode):

• Physical Dmg. Reduction (50 points)

• Special Dmg. Reduction (50 points)

• Ally Move Gauge Max -2 (300 points)

That is a free 400 points per stage. If nothing else, I highly encourage you to at least attempt those parameters

[tired sleet]

If a team can’t win with those params it wouldn’t be able to beat hard mode either

[civic trellis]

I recorded lance and bruno too but they are too big ig, but my teams were blue aaron and torchic, only EX I used that u didnt have was blue for his mega

Oh and lance was elio kali and ash

Same params for all I just swapped out tech and strike dmg x3 and physical/special dmg reduction 8

And I used strength 3 instead of sdr8 for lance

[dim marsh]

I've just won my 20K week now I' satisfied

[north crown]

Me before LG was a thing

[north crown]

BRUH FLYING WISH ON TURN 1 💀

Also they clicked fly, which = automatic loss

[vagrant shuttle]

I learned my mistake

Lemme be

[north crown]

WHY DID YOU NOT SYNC TURN 4 onl

ik this is old but omg

You really need to watch other people’s gameplay

[vagrant shuttle]

Probably

Who do you recommend?

[proud axle]

Hm. TheGamingEevee has a youtube channel and does F2P clears, so you can probably learn a thing or two from how they David-And-Goliath their way to victory

(Though if you're a beginner, it's important to remember that F2P doesn't necessarily mean it's doable with a new account)

I haven't watched TheGamingEevee's videos myself though, so I can't say firsthand whether they're good for learning

And sometimes when you have cursed makeshift tools, you have to do questionable plays on purpose

[vagrant shuttle]

Thank you so much Gigafreak

I'll go check it ou

Out*

[proud axle]

(They also frequent this Discord so you can probably ask them stuff directly, sometimes)

[vagrant shuttle]

Oh that's pretty sweet

[brave halo]

OK I'm still, no questions asked, sticking to non mm tomorrow but at least I think I have teams set up

[proud axle]

I'm... not sure I'd use Sidney alone on a Dark team

He has a thermonuclear sync nuke but his regular attacks are only 2bar

He does his best work as a teammate for a more conventional attacker

Also, Agatha self-damages for 25%maxHP after her sync, so you might not even really need his nuke that bad

Also I think I'd sooner use Zerena for Ground and Cyrus for Dragon

[brave halo]

I have barely anything else for dark right now

The only other character I got is marnie but she's only a 1/5, compared to sidney's 3/5

[proud axle]

Isn't Marnie actually really freaking good at Dark DPS

IIRC Power Trip is insane even at 1/5

[civic trellis]

Which marnie?

Both base and NC marnie should be fine at 1/5

[proud axle]

If they mean Neo Marnie I'm going to glare at them

If they mean regular Marnie I'd understand their misgivings but I'm p sure she'll still be great

[livid stirrup]

yes, it is. Just give her a few buffs and she destroys mm

[brave halo]

Oh power trip is on the regular marnie, yeah I don't have her

[proud axle]

So wait you have Neo Marnie?

Or is this, like, Summer Marnie

[civic trellis]

[proud axle]

Or Palentine Marnie

[civic trellis]

Pal marnie doesnt have dark dps

[proud axle]

I know, but still

I no longer know which Marnie they mean

If it's Neo Marnie, she can freaking offtype at 1/5

[brave halo]

The only marnie i have is moltres

[proud axle]

700 SpAtk just for not being at max HP

[proud axle]

Throw Sidney directly in the garbage and put her in the team

[civic trellis]

Neo marnie is literally the best dark dps

[proud axle]

Even at 1/5

She has that much raw power

[civic trellis]

Literally one of the best strikers atm, top 3

[proud axle]

It's really hard to compete with 700SpAtk and a 4bar move

That's 700SpAtk before buffs. She has 500SpAtk at base and then gains a 1.4x multiplier just for not being at maxHP. And her TM slightly damages herself to ensure she's not at max

Also this rivals some EX Striker syncs

[civic trellis]

They have enough broken damage dealers to do CSMM but refuse to, even after we gave them 850 params that dont change the difficulty

[proud axle]

Maybe if we get their teams overpowered enough, they'll realize the game is too ez and start craving more

[civic trellis]

I recorded a clear of this week using the same or similar teams they had destroying the stages

[proud axle]

Maybe they're autobattling?

It would explain why they're struggling with that much power

[civic trellis]

No they said csmm is too hard but prob used phys/special damage and sdr and off typed while using a special/phys damage dealer

[proud axle]

tfw you copy someone's homework and get a zero because you also copied the Name field

[mellow linden]

Champ Marnie is literally the 2nd strongest damage-dealer in the game

[mellow linden]

As for this, if Hilbert’s not 3/5 replace him with a crit buffer (and tbh even if he is it’d be better to do so) and as already stated change your Dark team from one built around Sidney to one built around Champ Marnie

[brave halo]

Yes hilbert is 3/5

[fiery canopy]

really stuck on Agatha rn
using viola/gio/sselesa

trying to get pieces

[mellow linden]

What specifically is going wrong?

[toxic cobalt]

Is Giovanni gridded?

[fiery canopy]

mainly gengar wiping out gio w its sync move

should be but let me look

wth
no
ok well let me do that

[mellow linden]

Are you focusing on the center 1st?

[fiery canopy]

no but should i be

[mellow linden]

Yes

[fiery canopy]

gotcha, brb

[mellow linden]

In the vast majority of circumstances you want your damage-dealer(s) to focus on the center opponent and gun them down ASAP, that way you can usually prevent the opponent’s Sync Move by KOing the center before it goes off

[fiery canopy]

yeesh, still cant knock it down fast enough before the sync move

[toxic cobalt]

Are you saving SSElesas acceleration tm until after your first sync?

[fiery canopy]

no but should i be lol

[toxic cobalt]

Ye

[fiery canopy]

kk

bwaaaah

how should i be using violas and gios tms

[mellow linden]

Giovanni’s is to buff his own crit, so at least 1 use (ideally 2) before he starts clicking Shadow Ball.

For Viola, maybe just use the one that gives Gradual Healing once and then start using Infestation and Struggle Bug

You’ll especially wanna use Infestation on the center ASAP if you’re having trouble pumping out enough damage

[fiery canopy]

gotcha

blahhh what am i missing
should elesa or viola be first in tactics

[mellow linden]

Probably SS Elesa

Especially if you can grid her with Ridicure

[brave halo]

OK compromise, if I don't win with Sidney I'll try marnie, but does this at least work for her?

[mellow linden]

I'd recommend a Speed buffer if one is available, but do you just not like Marnie or something?

[brave halo]

I don't trust her being a 1/5 while Sidney being a 3/5 with a proper grid

[mellow linden]

Her damage is objectively better even at 1/5

The only advantage Sidney has is Sync nuke, and Marnie's regular move damage more than makes up for it

[brave halo]

But like I said compromise

I might as well have a team for marnie if the off chance Sidney doesn't work out

[civic trellis]

A unit at 1/5 can be better than a unit at 3/5, it just depends on the unit

Like ash and sst red r not worse at 1/5 than a 5/5 mchu

[fiery canopy]

can that be accessed at 1/5?

[mellow linden]

No, wasn't sure what her move level was at for you, hence the "if"

[fiery canopy]

zamn

[mellow linden]

You can always just run both + a Speed buffer if you're that absurdly distrustful of Marnie's damage

[brave halo]

Doesn't marnie already boost herself in speed tho?

[mellow linden]

Yes, but she's still a 4-gauge move user and both her and Sidney are self-sufficient on offensive buffs, so Speed buffer is one of the best options for Supports

[brave halo]

Plus cynthia gives move accel

[mellow linden]

Can try gauge accel and if there's gauge issues can test Speed buffer, I guess

[brave halo]

Misty tho, she's there mainly for healing, and passing Gradual healing

Don't have a lucky skill on her tho

[mellow linden]

You won't need healing if you use Champ Marnie (and in fact Gradual Healing is detrimental to her since she wants to be missing at least some HP)

[brave halo]

Yeah I don't trust that either, cause one sync from opponent and I'm dead

[mellow linden]

You're gonna KO with her before they even get close to Sync

She literally is the 2nd best damage-dealer in the game

[storm quest]

Out of sheer curiosity, who is the 1st? 😅

[mellow linden]

Ash

No contest

Or rather, the only contest is between him and Champ Marnie, and he wins that contest

B Thunderbolt is a delete button as long as you have even a basic grasp on what you're doing with it

[rancid wind]

Does Pasio CS reset every week it's active?

Or is it a one-time deal?

[rotund lagoon]

Ends next week iirc

It's an event stadium, so it lasts longer, same weakness and everything

[rancid wind]

I kinda gave up on Master Mode & cleared it on "Off".

[rotund lagoon]

How long have you been playing?

[rancid wind]

Since 1st Anni, ig

Just too lazy to think about it now ig

[rotund lagoon]

If you have a grasp on teambuilding and at least 5-6 Supports EX'd, it would not hurt to try again. We have parameters in the pins

You can start with 7500

[mellow linden]

If you want you can browse #1010274591601598555 for team ideas as well

[rotund lagoon]

Also we're here if you need help as well

Feel free to reach out to our services

[noble plaza]

How should I go about fighting Lance? I'm on Round 2 and hard mode

I don't think Sycamore is worth using for this round

[mellow linden]

Can build a team around Bede

Or around Mina

[noble plaza]

that's what I was thinking too

Oh right Mina exists

[mellow linden]

You may want to choose which one between the 2 depending on what types you need for medal

[noble plaza]

I only have Water and Flying in progress. I couldn't finish the Champion Stadium last week because college got in the way

[mellow linden]

Ah. In that case try to shoot for 10-12 types total with this run so you can worry less about types tomorrow (or whatever day next week you take it on again)

[toxic cobalt]

How many do you have spare?

[noble plaza]

I hope that's feasible with my current roster!

I have only about 3000 but I can try to scrounge up more

[toxic cobalt]

Well there goes Mina 🎊

Bede it is

(Unless you want to do a longer gradual healing powered battle)

[noble plaza]

oooo but I do have some lodge stones saved up

[mellow linden]

Definitely doable, just need to be more careful in your planning. As long as each team has 2 or more unique types you’re golden, and in some cases that’s easy to manage due to solid duos

[noble plaza]

Sick!!!

Who can I pair with Bede (or Mina if I can scrounge enough orbs for her)

[mellow linden]

As an example, when you get to Blue Olivia + Bertha will net you Rock + Ground.

For pairing with Bede, you could potentially try Sabrina + a strong tank

Or possibly a filler pair as the 3rd since on Hard Mode Sabrina might be able to tank well enough on her own

Oh, wait, you have Ingo, so maybe him instead of Bertha if you wanna use Olivia for facing off against Blue

[noble plaza]

oooo okay!

Im pretty sure I already used SS Blue so I can't use him as my tank for this round.

[toxic cobalt]

Can you let us know who you used and who was round 1?

[noble plaza]

Round 1 was Bruno. I used Skyla, Blue with Pidgeot, and SS Blue

[toxic cobalt]

Huh, nice work

[noble plaza]

Thank you!

(Oh and if it matters I have May w/ Swampert)

[toxic cobalt]

Well if you have Gridded Cyrus then you can run him with May in some battle if you need

Did Cobalt's Bede team work?

[noble plaza]

oh I haven't decided on a third member yet

[mellow linden]

Can try using a random pair for type filler and see how that goes 1st

[noble plaza]

fair

[mellow linden]

Leaf + Eevee is a potentially good choice if you don’t see yourself using another Normal type elsewhere

[toxic cobalt]

Hapu always a good third too

[mellow linden]

Considering they have the option of Olivia + Ingo or Bertha later idk if Hapu is that good of a plan

[toxic cobalt]

Oh they have Ingo? Never mind

[noble plaza]

oof I can barely grid Bede at 1/5

[toxic cobalt]

Just don't grid him probably

doubt he has anything at 1/5

[zealous karma]

I have zero memory of Bruno having a ground week

[void wyvern]

He doesn’t

[old orchid]

Kanto Bruno has a Ground weak stage

[void wyvern]

Sorry, bede having anything at 1/5. He does not. Bruno most definitely does have a ground weak stage

[toxic cobalt]

Focus focus. Bede Sabrina Viola go.

[zealous karma]

O

Why Viola

[mellow linden]

Presumably Bug for medal

[zealous karma]

O I didn’t know 15 types

[void wyvern]

I’d run someone who can confuse so you don’t have to use bede’s Max move to do so.

[mellow linden]

Oh, right, that is something he’d appreciate