Champion Stadium

[crystal notch]

...does vespiquen need grid

[tribal agate]

no

and i don't recall exactly for gradual heal

iirc it's based on moves used

but the actual number evades me

you'll notice the icon fades away at some point anyway

[mellow linden]

Iirc it’s like 8 moves?

[tribal agate]

yeah that sounds about right

around that

use TM once, spam defend order, use TM again when gradual heal drops, spam defend order all the time to proc that heal
if HP too low, use big heal

[long thicket]

There, won the special one 10k.

Victor truly is a beast. The one where I used him was the easiest.

Not only that, but he comes with a free EX striker sync of two different types with Dynamax.

[crystal notch]

Errr

[compact yoke]

Crit strike 2 is best lucky skill if I’m doing Silver, solar blade with assist of sunny day

Right

[tribal agate]

are you absolutely positive you're using only Max HP, Defense and DMG Reduction parameters

[crystal notch]

[tribal agate]

hmm

what happened with the trap & poison display on those

they shouldn't have enough debuffs to have 2 pages

on the opponents i mean

i see right side has poison and spatk down but no trap

ok change of plans

[crystal notch]

my phone lags badly

[tribal agate]

remove Viola

replace by

[cinder summit]

Ghetsis & Kyurem

Acquisition:

Main Story

Alternates:

None

[tribal agate]

BP erika already traps so no need for Viola

[crystal notch]

noted

[tribal agate]

for his grid

https://i.imgur.com/oxqwo6Z.png

you will want this at minimum

[crystal notch]

vespiquen, or back to misty?

already gridded his noble roar double drop

[tribal agate]

keep Vespiquen for now, if it doesn't work then Misty will 100%

ok perfect

btw

[cinder summit]

Sygna Suit Cynthia (Aura) & Lucario

Acquisition:

Master Fair

Alternates:

Cynthia & Garchomp
Cynthia & Gastrodon
Sygna Suit Cynthia & Kommo-o
Sygna Suit Cynthia (Renegade) & Giratina

[tribal agate]

you used this pair right

[crystal notch]

yep

otherwise I'd have resorted to her first

[tribal agate]

ok then yeah

Ghetsis should be the key

since he'll debuff both atk & spatk and much faster

although not AoE, but that's fine

[proud axle]

(The difference is, he only does it on one enemy at a time)

Yeah, double potency makes up for it

[tribal agate]

don't forget to Heal order once you're below half too (it heals 50%)

[proud axle]

If you debuff them in the order they move, only one turn will have an enemy at fewer debuff stacks than Viola would have given them

(Left enemy's one and only presync turn)

[tribal agate]

it's funny that both sides have Facade which i guess is the thing that hurts most in the previous scenarios

[crystal notch]

3 hurricanes in a row

But ah

[proud axle]

Maybe this isn't the way...

Oh hell.

[tribal agate]

a question

who do you sync with

[proud axle]

Crits bypassing his debuffs and your buffs

[crystal notch]

misty duck with synchro healing

[tribal agate]

ok yeah that's hellah unfortunate then

[crystal notch]

because, er, no one else will benefit from the sync obviously

[tribal agate]

wait why does Air Cutter matter don't you have Vigilance?

[proud axle]

...For all three?

[tribal agate]

i mean yeah what else are you gonna put on Erika

she isn't a dps

[proud axle]

I thought Arts was out of cookies

[tribal agate]

ah that makes sense yeah heck cookies

[proud axle]

Villa and Bonanza can only get you so many of those

(Bonanza is ending today, btw, I think)

[tribal agate]

tbf why not just Olivia + Acerola it

your Olivia is 2/5 so she has Inertia she'd wreck

[proud axle]

They keep saying Hurricane OHKOs Hilbert

[tribal agate]

what about Aaron

[proud axle]

And Air Cutter 2HKOs Olivia, which sounds very odd to me

[tribal agate]

probably not odd

they don't have Hilbert 3/5

which means they have to use Olivia's TM

which means she becomes paper

Aaron solves both those issues

*althoug he's 1/5 too so no refresh *

[proud axle]

She uses her TM once regardless with hilbert

Acc

But -2SpDef shouldn't bring Air Cutter to 2HKO threshold

[tribal agate]

oh did you use that Leaf & Eevee yet too?

they're pretty amazing for stall

[crystal notch]

Lance used her

[tribal agate]

[crystal notch]

Yeah 4 hurricanes in a row

[tribal agate]

i think this is anti stall tbh

aerial cutter, facade and hurricane spam post sync

you used Champion Bede too right?

[crystal notch]

yep

I was planning to stall this from the start

which was why I used cbede

[storm quest]

Fwiw I stalled blue at 2.5k with Lucy, Ghetsis, and EX Leaf/Eevee

[tribal agate]

they used Lucy & Leaf sadly

only very few pairs left in their roster

Leaf is premium for sure

although Misty Psyduck is not bad either but Hurricane spam becomes an issue

[crystal notch]

there's...rosa ex I suppose

[storm quest]

The heal on sync is big

[tribal agate]

nah Rosa can't do shit

[tame gust]

Blue flat out says "I ain't got time for your stall wars"

[crystal notch]

burnt through all my cookies

no vigil

big L

[tribal agate]

did you use

the other misty

with Starmie?

[crystal notch]

and tbh hurricane hurts without crit anyways

[crystal notch]

no, but I didn't even raise her

[tribal agate]

[crystal notch]

[tribal agate]

well it's not something i'd recommend, too big a long shot but

Misty Starmie can raise evasion

to evade those nasty hurricanes

[crystal notch]

sigh

time to go back to olivia>

?

[tribal agate]

but you'd need to swap out your left side which means no debuffs so eh

[crystal notch]

I didn't expect any of them to fold like paper

but they do

[proud axle]

Is Liv gridded for Amped Up 2?

I'm thinking you can have her sync nuke the left enemy on turn 4 for a denial

And whether she needs Hilbert's support, depends on whether she has Amped Up 2

[tribal agate]

i still think Aaron would be better than 1/5 Hilbert imo

[proud axle]

Yes, if Liv has Amped Up

If she doesn't, she can't get 6 Speed before Turn 4

It's why I wanna know

[tribal agate]

well she's 2/5 so she can get it now the question is just orbs

[crystal notch]

well, 6k orbs

[tribal agate]

so Olivia / Aaron / Acerola?

[proud axle]

If you don't want to spend more orbs, you can redirect them from Stone Edge MGR

[crystal notch]

not bertha?

[tribal agate]

oh yeah

just reset

oh you didn't use Bertha?

even better jeez free win

lemme go record what you have to do, it's a bit complicated to explain so footage might help

[proud axle]

tfw we use 2 members of the hardest CS to fight the champion of the easiest CS

[crystal notch]

okie

[tribal agate]

wait no Blue is locked 😭 ok i'll just do it on a random and we'll pretend i'm doing it on Blue

[crystal notch]

Lmao sure

[proud axle]

My plan up to the first sync would be

Turn 1: Hard As Diamonds, Quite Something, Cool Right
Turn 2: Stone Edge (Blue), Quite Something, Cool Right
Turn 3: Stone Edge (Blue), Sand Tomb (Blue), Defend (or Heal) Order
Turn 4: Defend Order, Sandstorm, Olivia Sync(Left) IN THAT ORDER. Left should die and this should get you a free turn

[tribal agate]

well this works as well

[proud axle]

After that it gets complicated depending on whether Olivia's Stone Edge is a 2Hit or 3Hit KO on the right side

You want it to faint right before it moves, which is the turn after Blue

[tribal agate]

the idea is that basically, the 4th turn will always be the left side playing
for that to happen tho, you have to absolutely delay your sync by one move otherwise the game will not let left side play because it knows it'll die

and you'll kill left side with the sync after it has queue'd, denying the opponents a turn

which means you can sync again once before them and that's usually the kill

[crystal notch]

Understood

[proud axle]

(For this reason, we call this trick a Denial)

(It can be done with Flinch or Sleep, too. But Liv doesn't have those. She has to choose violence)

[crystal notch]

I'll try to record, although no guarantees to whether or not it crashes

[proud axle]

Next Stone Edge, aim for the right side. Pause the game right after the damage lands-- see if that's more or less than half its HP.

[tribal agate]

in a nutshell this is what you want to happen

https://i.imgur.com/TymL26r.mp4

[proud axle]

If it's more than half, aim at Blue once and then Stone edge it

[tribal agate]

notice how here i queue potion before the sync even tho my sync was already up

then left dies and Mina can queue again (you make sure you queue again after the sync)

[proud axle]

Demonstrating on Cynthia herself. What a flex.

[crystal notch]

Wait that means right side won't die at all?

[proud axle]

I'll explain in a little more detail

Though I'm a little sleep-deprived so I might not get it right

[tribal agate]

i feel like Right Side won't be much of a threat even if left alone for the end

you have Aaron and Bertha boosting all defenses

[proud axle]

I want another denial so Olivia gets more Stone Edges on Blue after the second sync

[tribal agate]

and on-type after 2 syncs, it should take like two stone edges to die

well

why not just focus full mid after the first sync?

i mean it should die anyway

Kanto is not that bulky

[proud axle]

As a practical lesson in denials

[crystal notch]

hmm if we're killing sides, go with r4?

[proud axle]

You can do that, actually

That's not a bad idea

[tribal agate]

yea

[proud axle]

R2 if you worry about Hurricane; R4 to exploit this trick

Right, I was explaining the right-side denial

Picking up where we left off after Sync-killing the left. We get to requeue Olivia before the enemy team gets to requeue a move themselves

Turn 5: Stealth Rock, Defend Order, Stone Edge (Right sidekick).
Pause the game and see if you did more or less than half its health.
If you did more than half, one more Stone Edge will finish it. If you did less than half, it takes two more Stone Edges
Turn 6: Sand Tomb (anyone), Defend Order, Stone Edge (Right if it would survive this; Blue if it would not)
Turn 7: Sandstorm, Defend Order, Stone Edge (Right). This should kill it and skip another turn for you

Guess whaaaaaat? That was 9 actions.

Olivia Sync --> Blue

[tribal agate]

i'm worried this might get overwhelming

[rotund lagoon]

That’s….a little much

[tribal agate]

you should really just start trying denying left side and call it a day

[crystal notch]

hmm

better go for masochist

or tank friendly?

[tribal agate]

tank friendly should work imo

[proud axle]

I'd go tank friendly

Because there are some AoEs that could knock Olivia out early otherwise

[crystal notch]

don't worry, I've been at this for 3 hours straight

I can understand it

[tribal agate]

mhmm but focus on doing first the thing i sent in the gif

aka denying left

[proud axle]

I would record it myself but ughhh, plowing through four fights to get to this one...

[storm quest]

Advanced techniques up in here

[proud axle]

(Also my Olivia is EX so the denial would have to be very makeshift)

[rotund lagoon]

Dreamy’s is pretty visual

[proud axle]

I definitely would call Denials an advanced tech, yeah

[tribal agate]

i really need to finish the video this weekend

[proud axle]

But, well, CSMM is endgame

This is exactly when you wanna learn the advanced techs

[storm quest]

Definitely. I mean, struggling through these has definitely forced me to learn some things and become more familiar with more sync pairs and more grids.

[proud axle]

Trial by fire (or rock in this case)

[rotund lagoon]

Still, not everyone learns at the same pace.

We just gotta let people ease into it.

[proud axle]

They've been beating their head on this wall for hours\

I'm not sure this is... easing

[storm quest]

Related, am I close to something workable with these:

[tribal agate]

for grass CS?

yeah all of those look pretty comfy

[storm quest]

Obviously, levels lol. Yeah, grass csmm

[tribal agate]

well maybe not 2k5 tho

2k5 really needs the levels, grids and lucky skills invested

plus the gameplay element

[rotund lagoon]

7500 is a good start

1.5k a match

[proud axle]

I'd ask about Lyra but it looks like you're facing phys-heavy foes on all the stages you're bringing Sun, so... she's unfortunately out

Well, maybe Serena. But Sycamore might be too important

10.5k would be the super stretch goal, I suppose. Was that the candy coin?

[rotund lagoon]

Lemme check again

[proud axle]

You could replace either the Lorelei or Grimsley team with a toxic stall for round 2, I think. This could free up some strong pairs for the others

[storm quest]

I haven't settled for less than the max points yet, so I'll probably beat my head into the wall a while trying at least 😅

[rotund lagoon]

Discord lagged…

Candy coin is 11k

[storm quest]

I definitely have (at least) 2 toxic stall teams on standby lol

[proud axle]

Oh. Then why was that other person so obsessed with 10.5? Ah well, now we know

Thank you

[proud axle]

That's 2.5k or possibly 5.0k in the bag, then

I wouldn't try toxic-stalling Bruno (that pesky Full Heal...)

[rotund lagoon]

Someone did, funny enough

[proud axle]

(They are mad)

[crystal notch]

hurricane

And one air cutter

[storm quest]

I can guess who lol

[tribal agate]

what even

[proud axle]

...Are those images in the wrong order

Or did Air Cutter actually manage to bring Vespiquen back from the dead

[crystal notch]

yeah wrong order

[proud axle]

Oh, okay

[toxic cobalt]

Eh full heal is easy to overcome

[tribal agate]

i assume Vespiquen has no vigilance

[rotund lagoon]

Janine’s high poison chance on Bruno would make it nonexistant

[proud axle]

Looks like Air Cutter dealt scratch damage but Hurricane wiped out ~3/4ths of its HP in one go

[proud axle]

You're going to bait it out with regular poison and then Toxic afterward, or...?

[crystal notch]

yeah

only so many cookies to go around

[tribal agate]

this is troublesome

[crystal notch]

how important is trap damage here

I'm thinking of swapping no interference with physical damage reduction

[proud axle]

Not very. I put it there because I forgot her other move was Stealth Rock

[tribal agate]

not important

[storm quest]

Worst, when you're going for Dauntless and get Vigilance and vice versa

Wish I could have figured out the legendary gauntlet just recently for those guaranteed vigilance cookies

[crystal notch]

good news: it lands exactly on turn 4 on left

bad news: 50% of health only

[junior crown]

I did full poison stall on both CS, still recomend it for every newbie, it's the lest costly mode to get 12.5k for every week

[proud axle]

What the...? That surprises me

[crystal notch]

can probably be solved by redirecting all stone edges (Blue) to left instead

[proud axle]

Indeed

[tribal agate]

did you have Sandstorm up as she sync'd?

[crystal notch]

yep

to be fair, no CS2

or any lucky cookie skill for the matter

[tribal agate]

frankly at this point i'd reduce points and call it a day ahah

[proud axle]

It's okay, it's "only" 20% compared to the... 250% she should be hitting for

[rotund lagoon]

[storm quest]

Praise be

[tribal agate]

it took months for many to get to that threshold it's normal to struggle when lacking certain things like cookies, grids and roster with move levels

so don't feel too pressured about it

[crystal notch]

noted

[proud axle]

My next best guess is that maybe they decided not to get Amped Up 2 so Olivia only had +2 Speed instead of +6

But that still would've left the enemy with some HP

So some Stone Edges probably will be needed here

[tribal agate]

i have to sleep here, but i wish you luck for the fight if you keep going hang in there

you got the basics in, it's just a matter of roster & investment now on top of experience

[crystal notch]

Nope, already did get it

[toxic cobalt]

A matter of closing that small gap to 12.5k

[proud axle]

Did you see the damage number? I'm wondering if it simply managed to hit the 20% chance of... not critting

[crystal notch]

...hmm, could be

[teal siren]

Is confusion a status condition I can use in round 2 for the special CS?

[proud axle]

It is not a status condition, but its effects are amplified

[mellow linden]

Confusion isn’t a status condition, but it is affected by the parameter, so if you wanna use it you can

[crystal notch]

very laggy yeah

[proud axle]

Thanks, that definitely was indeed a crit

[tribal agate]

what happened to the field

that should be on by default

(ye im still here on phone in bed)

[crystal notch]

dunno

[tribal agate]

wait i'm blind

or tired

it just expired

[proud axle]

Sidekicks have... 9940HP at Strength +9

[crystal notch]

Oh errr I swapped it for no interference

[tribal agate]

but still, 6k with inertia and sand blaster 5? what the fuck even

[proud axle]

The reduction does nothing when you crit, so...

[tribal agate]

ah ok but you should know these are free points

as Gigafreak says

[crystal notch]

I see

[tribal agate]

crits bypass those fields (and def/spdef buffs)

[crystal notch]

Noted

[proud axle]

Yeah, remember that bit in Victory Road where Leon says you need to crit?

[crystal notch]

I need to learn more of these

[proud axle]

he puts defense buffs and shields up

And then you crit right past them

[crystal notch]

Noted noted

[tribal agate]

i'm in disbelief Olivia did 6k

[proud axle]

It really startled me too, but PoMaTools agrees

[tribal agate]

well fuck

[proud axle]

This just got a lot more complicated.

(Sorry for dragging you on wild goose chases, Arts)

[crystal notch]

Don't worry

[proud axle]

(I hope you're learning stuff in the process)

[crystal notch]

I'm happy to learn!

As long as yall aren't tired of me

I'm also not tired of learning

Hahah

[proud axle]

How to deal with this... hm.

[tribal agate]

Masochist 2k

[crystal notch]

There's always the option of off typing

[tribal agate]

nah off type 2k5 is way too demanding

[crystal notch]

"Since vespiquen dies anyways might as well"

[tribal agate]

lol

[crystal notch]

Masochist difference is the max hp 2 in regards to turn denial right

Anything else?

[tribal agate]

STR buffs HP as well

[proud axle]

My next idea is very cursed and possibly not workable

[crystal notch]

Ah

I suspected it

[tribal agate]

so masochist is basically reducing lots of HP in favor of going commando before you die

bluntly put

[storm quest]

Definitely lurking this too,as I fiddle with my own teams..

[proud axle]

Aaron, Olivia (without Sand), Roark.
This is jank as all hell and I'm not sure it's actually better

[crystal notch]

...yeah, I have no orbs to grid roark

[proud axle]

And that is another problem, yeah

[toxic cobalt]

RIP 13k stockpile

[junior crown]

that's why I say

buinding damage teams you need grid and lucky skills to be more efficient

it's more demanding

[storm quest]

Do you have a moment to talk about our savior, poison stall?

[junior crown]

it can be more fun and more complex etc

[crystal notch]

I tried poison stall for 3 hours

[proud axle]

They tried sta-- yeah

[crystal notch]

Blue spams too many hurricanes

[junior crown]

yeah

SwinMisy have vigilance?

[crystal notch]

Nope!

[junior crown]

what is her grid?

that's the issue then

[tribal agate]

they have the right grid

but no cookies

we did every option

[proud axle]

Hurricane doesn't have innate crit and Blue doesn't use Smell Ya Later

[tribal agate]

they're on this for hours

[proud axle]

Hurricane is killing by raw BP

[tribal agate]

and the fact it's used like 4 times

[junior crown]

so maybe need to wait for more resources

[toxic cobalt]

Champion Blue?

[tribal agate]

yes

rock weak

[junior crown]

since 12.5k is the "hardest" thing in the game

it's not expected for everyone to do it on first week anyway

[toxic cobalt]

Surprised that stall isn't working

[crystal notch]

Even without crit hurricane murders tanks

[proud axle]

Kanto League is stronger than I remember

[crystal notch]

[proud axle]

To put this into perspective

Neo Serena's Water Shuriken effectively has 125 BP

[tribal agate]

Blue is anti stall

[proud axle]

And Blue uses X Acc to make it land

[toxic cobalt]

I stalled Blue with Mespirit!

Mespirit!

[tribal agate]

sides have facade and Air Cutter shreds their sides

yes but

they're 2 weeks into the game

they already used 2/3 stall teams

[proud axle]

Also they probably don't even have Mespirit

[tribal agate]

we're on the bare bones rn

[proud axle]

Very low on steam

[tribal agate]

that's why i recommended just droppint points

[proud axle]

We thought Liv was the silver bullet, but... oooof

[tribal agate]

it's already a fat achievement

[toxic cobalt]

Yeah it's a good achievemnt no doubt

[crystal notch]

Is there any difference between 2k and 2.5k points for poison stall?

[junior crown]

yes, agreed

[proud axle]

Hell of an honor to make it this far in two weeks, yeah

[teal siren]

For the special CS are the opponents powered up or take less damage from non super effective attacks?

[proud axle]

No

[crystal notch]

Since poison scales with hp anyways

[junior crown]

just give more time and wait for more resources

[mellow linden]

Not unless you set the Standard Damage Reduction 8 point parameter

[proud axle]

Special CS is just... you might not have 5 teams worth of grass

That is the trick

[junior crown]

who knows by the end of the week you uplevel your pairs etc

[proud axle]

So you may have to do stalls and offtypes

[teal siren]

Maybe just lodge Sycamore is garbage?

[proud axle]

Today, Saturday, and Sunday remain...

[junior crown]

you are doing the daily co-op battle villa?? (if you reach the stages)

[proud axle]

He's p good if you know what you're doing

Lodge Syca has low stats but a lot of multipliers

Give him Grass Themeskill and Grass Gear, and he'll soar

[mellow linden]

Lodge Sycamore’s fairly good. Did you set Special Damage Reduction 8 by mistake?

[proud axle]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-cuddle-hungry-yummy-food-gif-5610436

Cabbage toad

[crystal notch]

Yep

My luck just runs...weird when it comes to lucky skills

Dauntless on Xerneas

[storm quest]

RIP

[proud axle]

Your luck has been weird all day, so I can completely understand that

[junior crown]

i'd say wait until the end of the week

and try to level up the pairs for example

and get other resources (sync grids lucky skills etc)

[teal siren]

Yes lol

[nova helm]

I found that I had to invest quite a bit into lodge sycamore to make him usable. Specifically, upgrading him to 5 star and maxing out his move level. Didn't need to EX him tho.

[proud axle]

Liv's Atk increases by ~11% from 120 to 140, so there's that

[crystal notch]

hmm, this does make me wonder if 2.5k grimsley sounds as easy as people make it to be with stall

it's all crits all over again

[proud axle]

Yeah, crit snarl is gonna be oof

[junior crown]

it's the startes nightmare: lucky skills and sync grids

you'll get there, just need time

[crystal notch]

my leafvee has vigilance after burning through 30 cookies iirc

[mellow linden]

At this point I find 90% of the time if someone’s doing a lot less damage than they should on Master Mode it’s because you left the wrong damage reduction 8 parameter on by accident. I did it myself during my Grass weak Stadium run and had to go fix it

[proud axle]

When you stall Lorelei, you prepare for a long haul as her regen drags it out
When you stall Grimsley, it really is a gambler fight (as is appropriate for a literal pro gambler) betting on him to either not Snarl or not crit with it

[crystal notch]

but yeah with poison stall, there's no point in dropping points right

all of them are free and therefore either you can solve it in 2.5k or you can't solve it at all

[proud axle]

Ye

[storm quest]

This has improved slightly for me since the last (and my first) CS runs

[junior crown]

no, 0 points and 2.5k should be the same dificulty

[crystal notch]

yeah makes sense

[toxic cobalt]

Gradual healing is fine for stalling, don't need it with 12.5k but in 10k days I used it all the time.

[junior crown]

I used to get grad healing before too

but right now for 2.5k we don't even need to get it

[toxic cobalt]

The new parameters are such a blessing

[crystal notch]

hmhm, my grass cs should at least be 10.5k if I can fix up grimsley (was 1.35k previously)

but eh I'll wait for lodge sycamore

before replanning

[junior crown]

it'll get easier with time, and remember, poison stall is 5 teams forever, while ontype is 17 teams (of course the supp may repeat, but even then, it's a lot more pairs to improve)

of course improve ontype pairs, but it's not a rush game

you need time to build every pair

[crystal notch]

yeah, don't worry!

I just wanted to learn the basics, that's all

[toxic cobalt]

I think we're beyond the basics

[crystal notch]

...I suppose that's true

[junior crown]

basics is getting to CSMM

[storm quest]

I feel like I had to relearn things with the new parameters too

[junior crown]

12.5k is the "end game"

[crystal notch]

to be fair, my 16 days are spread between an 8 month break, so I'm not the average 16 day player with the average 16 day roster

but yeah lmao

[toxic cobalt]

Oh that's how you have Mistyduck

[storm quest]

Ngl, I wondered how you were 16 days in and had some pairs I've never seen in a scout fair lol

[junior crown]

and SS Cynthia

[crystal notch]

if, you know, looking at ssa ex cynthia and ss steven didn't tip it off

[junior crown]

yeah that SS Cynthia was what got me questioning

[crystal notch]

my last message here before the break was...08/31/2022

[junior crown]

Poison stall since back there

it never ends

[storm quest]

I started at the end of the Sycamore events, lucky timing. @proud axle helped me through my first 10k (much appreciated btw) and its... getting easier. Well, until relearning the parameters I guess. I definitely poison stalled my first ever CSMM battle, against Grimsley hahaha

Which... I'll probably do again, here in a moment

[crystal notch]

good luck

crits suck

[storm quest]

Dawn/Torterra pulled me through before, come naturally with vigilance... I have a few more vigilant pairs now so... we'll see

[junior crown]

if we had the LG event you could just farm lucky skills forever

[crystal notch]

....I see the LG people malding

and I wonder how steep the cost of auto-able teams are

[storm quest]

Ugh, I was so annoyed that I had no idea how to do the LG and so I got no vigilance cookies the whole time

[junior crown]

auto-battles are not that newbie friendly

but, some LA are easier

so maybe there is one less demanding for auto

maybe it's something to look forward on the next LG

farm lucky skills and be happy

[crystal notch]

when will tanks stop demanding vigilance!1!1!

[storm quest]

Maybe.

[junior crown]

never

every time there is a new pair

they will need lucky skill

and basically it's either Vigilance or CS2

[crystal notch]

poor yellow cookie

[junior crown]

of course that are exceptions

but...

[storm quest]

Well, @junior crown since I have you here, besides SSLeaf and Lucy, which other pairs do you prefer? Or does it much matter? Besides Janine and Ghetsis, who else makes good debuffers?

[junior crown]

SS Leaf is better than a "poison" like Tech mons (golbat/arbok) and Koga

because she has potions so it's a plus

There are not many options for badly poison

Lucy, Koga, BP Erika, BP Janine, Tech Golbat, Tech Arbok, SS Leaf and Emma

this is all we have for now

[storm quest]

I'm just wondering for if I need to make more than two stall teams lol

[junior crown]

well it'll always depends on the types

[storm quest]

Looker can toxic too, can't he?

[junior crown]

I believe if we ever reach a full fairy CS stage

everyone may need poison stall or at least offtype

[junior crown]

only normal poison

for debuffers

Janine and Ghetsis are good because they debuff both attack/sp attack

but you can always use the filter in your roster

Viola is great because she not only lower sp attack, but set trap too

and she has grad healing, pokey trap, and first aid in the grid

[storm quest]

Definitely misread his passive

[junior crown]

the debuffer is the easier pair to find

because they don't do much

of course if they have a extra (like viola) it's even better

for me selecting the tanker is the hardest

for ex: F2P OG Misty really wants 3/5 and at least 4*

but if you have some other pairs, like you already have with OG Leaf are good subs

SSA Cynthia / Burghpi

You basically want def up/heal/bulky

Since you already have SS Leaf, I'd say you can get the poisoners easily with the BP pairs

debuffers are the less demandings

focus on your tankers (get then to 4* and grid and lucky skills)

[storm quest]

Makes sense

[junior crown]

one of the best F2P tankers for me is BP Morty

he buffs both defenses, has potions, synchro healing, healthy healing, first aid, confuse and flinch

iirc you can't get it all, I think I leave first aid out of his grid

[storm quest]

I have 3 BP tickets. You'd have to spend one for each move level, yeah?

[junior crown]

yeah, unfortunatelly

but you can use other pairs instead

doesn't need to be him, 3* supp candy should be easier to find

to build OG Misty/Skyla

and since SS Leaf has potions, you can pair her with Liza for example

Liza also have synchro healing and healthy healing

and raise SP def

she just don't have potions (but SS Leaf can help with that if needed)

the resources are hard to come by at first, so try to optimize it and not spend a lot in one specific pair

if you can work around with other pairs using less resources

[storm quest]

Oh I do have a tech zubat gahaa

I also just realized you can buy 3k orbs with coins, apparently monthly

[junior crown]

oh yeah

in the monthly shop

and in every event you can buy orbs

and don't forget the lodge

[storm quest]

I've been getting the event ones for sure

And the lodge yeah. The caches are nice sometimes

[junior crown]

well, I'll go to sleep here

Good luck if you're going to try again

[storm quest]

Thank you thank you!

[north crown]

Ecaxtly why I opted that 2/5 Olivia isn’t as good for cs

[proud axle]

I thought that was a different reason

[north crown]

I just think olivia doesn’t cut for csmm 2k+

Unless you use sleep/flinch

[civic trellis]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1044338044389564426/1094943336445521972/IMG_2943.png

Rock zone helps

May replace hilbert for ingo once I have him but for now he’s good enough

[swift swan]

Really? I just did 2.5k Olivia/Acerola/CGio yesterday

[north crown]

Yes you did

Oh shit did I not say 2/5???

[swift swan]

I presynced normally just fine

[north crown]

Shit

[swift swan]

I'll try with a 2/5 Grid

[north crown]

I meant to specify 2/5

[proud axle]

3/5 adds... The Sync+25 nodes, Atk+20, and Surging Sand 3.
The gamechangers are all in 2/5

Maybe the raw stats from being higher-leveled and EX helped too?

Rock gear?

Each thing would have a minor effect, but perhaps it's noticeable all combined

The other person's team used Aaron, and he didn't have MPR (1/5). So by the first sync, Olivia could have +6Atk and +3 Speed (Inertia), or +4Atk and +6 Speed...

(The PoMaTools calc I did, was with the latter case)

(As for me, I easily took Blue down with 5/5 Olivia, 5/5 Roark, and 1/5 Ingo)

[crystal notch]

Great news yall

My luck decided to finally work

[proud axle]

At last!

Was that 12.5?

[crystal notch]

11k

[proud axle]

Good enough?

[crystal notch]

Accidentally did Agatha 2k
And had to deal with Bruno offtype so 1.5k

Yeah good enoigh

That's enough rng malding for this week

[proud axle]

🎊

[devout sluice]

Ya, 12.5k is optional.

[crystal notch]

Hope yall didn't lose that many braincells trying to figure out my situation

[proud axle]

12.5k didn't even exist two weeks ago and you very nearly did it with a fresh-ish account

🫡

As for me, time to get ready for bed

[crystal notch]

Wait, it didn't?

That's news to me

[trail smelt]

Nope

Started this month

[proud axle]

10k was the limit before now

[trail smelt]

Aye

[proud axle]

Talk about swan-diving straight into the fucking deep end

[crystal notch]

Good to know

[swift swan]

I'm back

#1011173305702690876 message

[crystal notch]

...how much did you mald

For this

[swift swan]

Not at all?

It was easy

[crystal notch]

Huh

[swift swan]

The only RNG was praying Blue doesn't spam Hurricane too much

[crystal notch]

Ohhh 3/5 samurott grid

[swift swan]

If you see my video here, my queueing was off a few times

And I had to deny left because of the round parameter

[swift swan]

I'm sure at 1/5 he's fine too, just means you have to use Olivia's TM twice

(I only used her TM once for accuracy)

[crystal notch]

Oooh ex hilbert

Huh you don't sync with olivia

[swift swan]

I synced with her for the second sync

I synced with Hilbert first for the EX support

[north crown]

Flinch gameing

[north crown]

When the

Congrats for showing that 2/5 is possible tho

[crystal notch]

Does grass cs Bruno have impervious too

[swift swan]

no

[crystal notch]

Great

[swift swan]

you can check each stage's gimmicks on pomatools

[crystal notch]

Oh right

Thanks

I'll be back after doing grass csmm if I get stuck

Swinmisty-Ghetsis-Eritangela should work vs Cerena right

[swift swan]

yes

[crystal notch]

Anyways

Dragon dps: cyrus or zinnia

[toxic cobalt]

Cyrus is easier

[crystal notch]

For lance next week

[north crown]

But iirc their cyrus doesn’t have any expansion

[toxic cobalt]

Yes?

Still easier

[north crown]

While Zinnia does. Perhaps ex sync + stats would make a difference

Tho don’t quote me on that. It’s just a thought

[crystal notch]

Grass weak lorelei...Sycamore horn leech abuse?

[toxic cobalt]

Yeah Sycamore will run through that stage no problem

[north crown]

iirc someone soloed Lorelei grass weak 2k points before

[toxic cobalt]

It's a spatk stage so really good for Sycamore

[north crown]

Could probably do ez 2.5k points with a crit buffer

[toxic cobalt]

I'm going to try a solo

Wow. Easiest solo of my life.

[primal field]

The new Cs has weekly reset or one time only?

[devout sluice]

Grass is one time.

[old orchid]

one time rewards only

[trail smelt]

Pasio special CS events are one time only and lasts for two weeks before leaving. But in the future it will return. Most likely with a different weakness

[toxic cobalt]

Can’t wait for Ground weak Pasio CS

[last dew]

fr finna use bertha Maxie and courtney

[umbral crow]

Hapu Live Reaction

[crystal notch]

For poison weak blue, on type looker

?

[zealous karma]

Should be fine

Roxie’s prolly better tho

[trail smelt]

Fairy gonna make me cry

[crystal notch]

Is Sycamore Moonblast abuse not a possibility?

For Fairy

I can probably do some silver mayziken cbede shenanigans for grass weak lorelei

[clever breach]

Im struggling against blue bc i have to off type any ideas maybe?

[frosty axle]

where is your rock types?

[clever breach]

Does lycanrok have a good nuke?

[frosty axle]

Surprised you didn't get Olivia Lycanroc yet

[clever breach]

Yeah me to

Last general pool unit i really want

Isnt nessa ok for rock damage?

[frosty axle]

Not sure, but people have been using Rampardos

[clever breach]

I could reset

But i have a problem with lance

[frosty axle]

When you can you should get Lillie Comfey

you won't be able to use it now

[clever breach]

Hmm yeah

But i have 2 days

Xd

Ima try with roak

[old orchid]

SMarnie is enough for Lance

[clever breach]

I didnt manage it

Idk what im doing wrong

[old orchid]

My alt also has her at 1/5 and she destroys Lance even without EX support

[clever breach]

Huh

[old orchid]

Did you ensure she had max atk, crit, both defenses, spatk and speed?

Did your tank buff max defenses? Did you do quad queue?

[clever breach]

Oh

I buffed her enoguh but quad que i didnt

With what other pairs where u running

[frosty axle]

quad queue does make a difference

[clever breach]

I tried it with sonia and red snorlax

[frosty axle]

Sonia isn't good for quad queue

but Snorlax helps

[old orchid]

Yeah Snorlax fixes quad queue problem

[clever breach]

I did around 10 k with nuke

[old orchid]

What params did you use?

[clever breach]

2.5 post

[old orchid]

Switch to pre sync

[clever breach]

Ok

[old orchid]

Sonia has enough bulk to tank pre sync

[clever breach]

Should i first sync with 6ex

And then smarnie

Or just marnie

[frosty axle]

if you copied ones in pin they not optimal depends on team

[clever breach]

Im going to reset and try with marnie

But how to i get max crit and max speed with red and sonia

[frosty axle]

Red maxes crit

[swift swan]

well sure

[frosty axle]

same with Sonia

remember Sonia is tanking

[clever breach]

Ah i meant speed and sp def

[frosty axle]

oh ok sp.def you probably won't get but if you kill before sync it shouldn't matter

[clever breach]

How many times should i sync accel with red

[frosty axle]

as much as possible when syncing

he refreshes it

I usually do two for max crit before first sync unless you going ex support

[old orchid]

After using Marnie's Bulk Up twice and Sonia's TM at least once, click Marnie's TM

[clever breach]

Oh

I didnt read that

[old orchid]

How are they not optimal? The pre sync one is perfectly fine with the team

[frosty axle]

talking about post sync one

says physical damage reduction so hope they know to use special

[old orchid]

We are helping them building team with the pre sync one, no need to say about that if its not related to the topic

[frosty axle]

he said he's using post sync so yes it is on topic

[frosty axle]

see

[clever breach]

Yeah but changed the params

[frosty axle]

great 👍

[mellow linden]

At the top of the pinned parameters it says that for parameters with borders grouping them together you use either one depending on the team

[frosty axle]

also depends like I've used none before with certain teams since they mixed

but yes typically that works

[clever breach]

First try

Should i maybe sinc with sonia first and then only once with Marnie

[mellow linden]

If Sonia is EX then absolutely, especially since Red + Snorlax removes the need to quadqueue

[frosty axle]

are you using Hp 2?

[clever breach]

Yeah

[frosty axle]

I would change it

you could win without it

[clever breach]

Ok changed it to strike x3 and interference immunity

[frosty axle]

ye that should be be alright

[clever breach]

Huh

Did it once with sonia first sync

And go just 4 k

On sync

[frosty axle]

Sonia is EX?

[clever breach]

Yes

[old orchid]

That was a non crit

[old orchid]

What move level is your Sonia btw?

[tribal agate]

from what i can deduce on the screenshots, this seems to be an issue of not triple queueing properly

make sure please you've read the basics about it as it can greatly enhance your gameplay

+triplequeue

[frozen depot]

In Pokemon Masters, the battles revolve around using your Sync Move as fast as possible.
Using moves will reduce its cooldown, which is also the case for the opponent!
This is why you always want all your pairs on the field to have moves queue'd.
Have 3 ally moves in between each 1 enemy move, even at the start!
After 9 moves, you can wait to queue your Sync.

See this quick footage for how to Triple Queue :
https://tinyurl.com/triplequeue101

For more beginner infos, check our #1010307000346878062.

[clever breach]

Ahhhh almost had it

Just bad spirit break rng and flinch from left and right

[clever breach]

2/5

[frosty axle]

great if you that close you can do it

[clever breach]

Yeah killed pre sync

But got flinched and spirit break missed 3 times

[tribal agate]

unfortunate

[fringe bobcat]

Are you on round 3?

[tribal agate]

on this screenshot, to confirm, did you sync once or twice? If so, with who? Are any of the supports EX?

[frosty axle]

Sonia is EX

[tribal agate]

ah gotcha thanks

[clever breach]

Red was also ex

[tribal agate]

Nice good job

[clever breach]

But did it

Now i know how marnie works

[tribal agate]

but make sure again please to read the triple queue info

it will help

[frosty axle]

awesome gratz

[clever breach]

The problem just was that i knew that i would lose that try so i didnt que sonia again

[tribal agate]

[clever breach]

Rest of the rounds i can easily beat 2.5 an the im going to try last round with galar birds

Should be doable

[frosty axle]

Galar birds can do it

[clever breach]

Just minus zaptos

But bede and marnie is enoguh i think

[frosty axle]

are they 3/5?

only tried 3/5 and it was fine

[clever breach]

Bede is

Marnie isnt but i easily did lance with them so i think it shouldnt be a problem

[frosty axle]

ok great 👌

[clever breach]

12.5 k done

Lance was harder than blue in the end

[crystal notch]

Laughs in 1/5 roxie

[trail smelt]

Yeah most people seem to find one of the E4 harder than the Champion most of the time

[formal musk]

aaaaaa pasio cs is so annoying

hope they never do this again 🙏

mfw most of my grass types r not at 3/5 and hit like wet noodles

[old orchid]

You know you can always run offtype teams right?

[formal musk]

yuh i did after giving up trying to on type

[keen jasper]

What do you replace Standard Damage Reduction for?

[calm grove]

i have thes guys plus phanpy and i beat lance woth ss leaf drake and ball guy

im thinking poison stall agatha

and i was rly intent on beating loralie with my loping but then didn't work at all

i tried bruno woth skyla lysandre and some support but that didn't work

it's 2500 btw i'm thinking maybe aridoes seviper and snivy

[keen jasper]

You have Allister for Agatha

[formal musk]

i took grad healing, atk +5, atk +1 and sync buff +5

[keen jasper]

Have you ignored gradual healing before?

[formal musk]

yeah i never used grad back in 10k or on type

[keen jasper]

It's literally free 150 pts.

[formal musk]

mayb but sometimes pre sync the enemy kept healing up and i couldnt kill it in time

[crystal notch]

Grimsley is a phys attacker right

I need to think about how I could debuff him

Surskit won't work obviously if he were phys

[old orchid]

just buff your defense

[crystal notch]

Doesn't he get a crit buff

After sync

With a tm

Yep dire hit

[old orchid]

try to kill him pre sync

[crystal notch]

...I mean, I could bring SC Zinnia to the fight

[old orchid]

crit ignores attack debuff anyway

[crystal notch]

Well, I was planning to poison stall

[old orchid]

slap Vigilance on your tank then

[crystal notch]

On type would probably be centered around 1/5 selene

[old orchid]

do you a strong offtype damage dealer?

[crystal notch]

There's SS Steven and Mayziken

[old orchid]

SS Steven EXed?

[crystal notch]

Although I'm planning to use mayziken in a mayziken-cbede-silver team for bertha r3

[crystal notch]

No

I obviously don't have that many PUs

[old orchid]

can try him + psychic terrain setter + a Vigilance tank

[crystal notch]

No musharna

No brendios

[old orchid]

oopies

how about Lucian instead?

[crystal notch]

Yeah got Lucian

Lucian-SS Steven - ...Ill find someone with innate vigilance?

Lemme see how many of my tanks actually have vigilance

[old orchid]

if that team can kill Grimsley first sync Vigilance is not needed

[crystal notch]

...hmm, I can wait for PUs from lodge

To EX SS Steven

Well, see yall in two days as I get sycamore to 75 to get that PU

[crystal notch]

Wait, jankier idea! Since it's R2, bring Whitney para ftw

[old orchid]

the paralysis chance is still not noticable mind you

[crystal notch]

Even with HE1?

Hmmm

[old orchid]

no i mean the paralysis proc on the mid

since the mids usually have mitigation

[crystal notch]

Ah

Can still turn denial sides

[old orchid]

requires a bit rng

[crystal notch]

True

[old orchid]

i dont recommend that strat at all

better stick to SS Steven / Lucian / a defense buffer

can try with non EX Steven first

[crystal notch]

Will hop survive masochist

The idea is we want grimsley dead as soon as possible right

[old orchid]

try the masochist params first, if Hop struggles switch to tank - friendly one

[crystal notch]

Noted

[woeful wave]

Looks ok? Hard mode* before MM unlock

[crystal notch]

So, how do I deal with snarl killing sides?

[old orchid]

Grimsley's Snarl?

[crystal notch]

Yep

Hmmm I'll switch the parameters a bit

[main crow]

Looks ok to me, tho a bit worried abt where Korrina gonna get her atk since her sync is physical

[old orchid]

i would use Solgaleo instead

[main crow]

Solgaleo counts at steel

[old orchid]

wait Ball Guy can reset the evasion

yeah this is hard mode

[main crow]

Which would put you at 11 types on the medal

There is still next week tho

[woeful wave]

just need 3

[main crow]

Oh you only have 3 left? I guess whatever type you need is already in the team you posted?

[woeful wave]

ya

[crystal notch]

On masochist

[main crow]

But yeah if you already did fighting just use Solgaleo

[woeful wave]

ok

[crystal notch]

But yeah deads

[old orchid]

only focus on the mid until it dies

[crystal notch]

Oh, that was for turn denial purposes

I could turn deny left and right (and I did)

Given ss steven reasonably crits

[old orchid]

then you lose dmg on mid

[crystal notch]

Hmm, alright, will try

[old orchid]

Hop's Freevenge 4 proc can ruin quad queue, you can reset for no proc just right before your first sync

[woeful wave]

the special CS just need to clear onces?

[old orchid]

its MM is unlocked from the start, and the rewards are one time only

[woeful wave]

ok, I unlock the normal CS's MM. time to refine the teams >.<

dont think my teams can work with higher score MM right, need to change some

[crystal notch]

Two syncs in

This is after sharpedo syncs

Which means, uh, I failed pre sync

Totally focused on mid btw

[old orchid]

did you use Protect before his sync?

maybe switching back to post sync clear?

[crystal notch]

Freevenge procced

But I can swap to protect yeah

[old orchid]

can always reset if that happens

also no need to ping

[crystal notch]

Just hope no stray snarl happens

Ah sorry!

[old orchid]

just need to use Protect right before Grimsley's sync

[crystal notch]

Survived grimsley's sync since it didn't crit

2.5k done woohoo

[old orchid]

gratz

[thin pecan]

Can someone explain how to do the new CS mode

[old orchid]

build 5 teams with 5 damage dealers, then add sync pairs to support that dmg dealer

that's it

[old orchid]

also

[thin pecan]

I don’t have that many grass

[old orchid]

offtyping is always an option

[thin pecan]

What does it mean that sync pairs that are used can’t be used again

Isn’t that how CS has always worked

[north crown]

Wow you are really pushing points rn. Surprised Hop synergizes wel enough for sssteven’s sync

[swift swan]

yes

they're just repeating the same old instructions

[proud axle]

Apparently that restriction does not apply to the Normal Mode tutorial league, so I presume Pasio League has that popup in case a hypothetical new player goes there before the regular Hard Lv1 league

[crystal notch]

R3 Bertha sucks

It's rng malding all over again

High Horsepower? Reset

Sand Tomb? Reset

Drill run? reset

Phone lagging due to sandstorm? No quadqueue, reset

But finally got that down too, 2.5k

Someone flinched cbede! Reset

Bertha and right side flinched cbede twice in a row! L

[proud axle]

Welcome to Sinnoh League

[crystal notch]

Oh, I know 12.5k rewards aren't that good

It's just fun

To attempt things that I'm technically not supposed to attempt

As a new-ish player

[upper mantle]

12.5k rewards are actually really good.

[manic dust]

Sorry if this is a stupid question -- I keep trying to creep up in my CSMM thresholds. 850 is a cakewalk, 1500 is fine, but trying to do 2k or 2500 I keep getting blasted when the enemy syncs, even using the post-sync parameters. How do you guys manage to survive?

[upper mantle]

trial and error.

getting good rng, switching up teams, asking for help with team building

ect.

[manic dust]

Fair enough! I'll keep at it! 🙂

[crystal notch]

Oh, it is?

Great

I already have the rest of 5k in the bag

[upper mantle]

Good luck! If there's anything specific stages you need help with/team building let us know.

[crystal notch]

Barring lorelei deciding to nuke my team

[upper mantle]

Nice

[manic dust]

Thank you! I will!

[crystal notch]

My first run was 10.5k

So to be fair I had practice already

[upper mantle]

lol, slowly working your way up helps a little bit atleast.

[crystal notch]

Hmm, can sycamore 1/5 selene sc steven pre sync lorelei on R4?

Or should I go back to the old trusty poison stall

[keen jasper]

Who are your remaining grass damage dealers?

[proud axle]

Can Steven raise Sycamore's Atk/crit? This would become a dual strike comp

I'm not optimistic on its presync chances, but it might still win

[crystal notch]

Silver's off the table

And Rosa is ex now

[keen jasper]

And what move level is your Gladion?

[crystal notch]

0/5

[keen jasper]

Ok then

[crystal notch]

Lodge sycamore in three days though

[keen jasper]

You have another week

[crystal notch]

Or I'll just stall with ex leafvee - Lucy- masquerain

[keen jasper]

Also, I'm surprised your Gardenia is 2/5

[crystal notch]

Ah, my luck runs weird

Burgh at 3/5 and SS Grimsley at 5/5

[north crown]

Save viola for another wildcard poison stall team unless you don’t need another one (either have all guaranteed planned teams or you’re on the champion)

[crystal notch]

Hmm, last time I did champion with sycamore ghetsis BP erika for 2.5k

So that's guaranteed, I suppose

Either I use sycamore on R4 or Champion

[north crown]

Who u fighting on r4

[crystal notch]

Lorelei

Didn't do Bertha anymore unlike first attempt

[thin pecan]

Does anyone have a team for Grimsley?

I can’t beat him.

[keen jasper]

Grimsley is physical, so bring a defense buffer

[thin pecan]

Yeah I did but I can’t damage him

[crystal notch]

Sounds like a roster or a parameter issue

Ya gotta send em here to get help

Since the helpers here can't read your mind

[thin pecan]

This is what I have left

[swift swan]

very vague. send your roster here so we can get a general idea. if you're looking for team ideas, try checking #1010274591601598555

[swift swan]

ss erika can very much dual strike with another damage dealer

and you have SS Leaf for a free poison stall

3/5 ss leaf can nuke too, plus she's EX'd. depends on how you want to use her

[upper mantle]

lodge gloria is also decent unless im mistaken

[swift swan]

lodge gloria is great

selene and gloria can both be separate clears

[thin pecan]

Paired with who thouugh

I tried using almost all of those and couldn’t survive

I used Dane as the tank and Hilbert as the support

[upper mantle]

mind showing us your supports?