Champion Stadium

[storm quest]

I'm joking lol

I always use Special, apparently

[crystal notch]

on silver - mayziken - cbede team

[storm quest]

So even when I set up a physical team, I forgot

[crystal notch]

because I was thinking silver as main damager

and then OH NO MAYZIKEN

[storm quest]

Is.. will any of this work for Kanto champion? Brock/Ttar isn't cutting it

Even with setting the correct damage reduction parameter lol

[toxic cobalt]

Not at that level of build

Well Roark if he’s gridded

But you can perhaps just offtype

[storm quest]

I mean, I can level and evolve and grid some if I need to... But if the off-type is easier I can do that too

[toxic cobalt]

If you have Cyrus left over he’s always reliable

[storm quest]

Built for hydro pump, yeah?

[toxic cobalt]

Yep with Winona or May

You can use Roxanne to tank/buff

[storm quest]

lol, the off-type presync parameters plus rain dance means hurricane OHKOs me haha

[toxic cobalt]

That's bad rng

ideally it's flinching and can't hurricane!

[storm quest]

Not sure what I'm doing wrong actually. Neither of the off-type parameters seem doable; too bulky. What's flinching them?

[toxic cobalt]

Winona has a 30% chance to flinch, but 60% if gridded

[storm quest]

Ooh, I was using May. Could try that, but even still I was reaching 2k ish damage each hydro pump, a small % of their bar, and then gradual healing basically erased it lol

[toxic cobalt]

Hmmm

Cyrus gridded to get crit?

[storm quest]

Yea, after landing a spacial rend crit

[toxic cobalt]

So what should happen is that Cyrus doesn't get much damage in initially, but after the first sync by Winona which brings rain then hydro pump should start doing much more. Winona flinches mean you'll hit your second sync early and then his double buffed hydro pumps really hit hard

[storm quest]

blehhh'

[fiery canopy]

yalls whos a good tank for marley and cmarnie if im going against bruno (r2)

using them cuz of a suggestion

[old orchid]

Any defense buffer works

[fiery canopy]

kewl ty

does hop work?

[old orchid]

Yes but i would save him for a dmg dealer that cant buff crit

[fiery canopy]

kk
how about morty

[old orchid]

Yes

[fiery canopy]

yeee

gottem

[tame gust]

I dislike Loreli in general.

haven't done my Kanto MM yet and trying to decide how I wanna deal with Loreli. was gonna dunk on her with OG Zinnia, but she eats damage so I'm thinking sync nuke options.

[toxic cobalt]

Fighting weak ?

[tame gust]

yeah, but I'm kinda not heavy on fighting units built up.

so I plan to offtype. Might just be an ass and Toxic stall

[toxic cobalt]

If you have Solgaleo build up it's good for that battle as it has accuracy buffs

[tame gust]

oh true, yeah.

I do have Sol built up because I was using him for costume event battle. So, just gotta toss a crit support and blast her to death.

[proud axle]

The way Acc/eva works, they "cancel" each other out and then the "survivor" determines the hitrate

Let's see, you need +3 acc to ensure Focus Blast has 100% hitrate? Then +6 acc means you have a 3 acc "head start" over Lorelei's eva stack

Aim for the sidekicks until your first sync, then Solga can lay some hurt on Lorelei with those 3-4 100% acc hits

If you want to sync nuke, you can use Bruno/Machamp with Double Down 5 and maybe Super Prep 4

[tame gust]

I've made the error of not having many EX supports lmao. Only two I've got are SS Brendan and Sycamore so RIP the dreams of +2 Sync Boost destruction.

[proud axle]

The plan still holds even if you're not syncing with an EX Support

[tame gust]

true. Focus miss guide me to victory!

[toxic cobalt]

Yeah no point syncing with Solgaleo, just sync with whatever and have Sol keep dpsing

[proud axle]

Do you happen to have Lisia?

(Altaria)

(Hoenn Dragon Tech)

Lisia's Defog does not count as an attack move, so it doesn't trigger Look Alive. It debuffs evasion (by 2 stacks with a 2/5 grid node), buying you more hits

And she can use it to get rid of the crit shield on the last turn before Lorelei's sync too

That's 7-8 100% hits of Focus Blast at 2/5 with 2 MP.

If you can't win with that many, I kiiiiinda suspect your problems are elsewhere

[tame gust]

nah, I don't have Lisia. I do have Darach, or whatever the guy with the Staraptor's name is for Defog.

I'm running 2k Post Sync parameters
Recent team was Skyla, Solgaleo and Support Pidgeot for crit buff and flinch. Then I realized "Oh wait. this isn't a +3 crit team lmao" so yeah, back to filtering units to see what I can wrangle up

could make it a +3 though, if I switched around for Sharp Entry rather than Super Effective on Sol.

[proud axle]

?????

Solgaleo has Sharp Entry 1

That's 3 crit

Reaching it is a problem in a Focus Blast grid, but it's there

[tame gust]

read up a bit, Giga. I just said I forgot he had it, but then rechecked the grid.

[compact yoke]

Need some help on Bruno grass CS

These parameters

[toxic cobalt]

Hoo hah

[silent quail]

hah's your hoos

[toxic cobalt]

What round is this?

[compact yoke]

First

[toxic cobalt]

Have you generally built five teams?

[compact yoke]

Nah I normally just go 1 by 1

I tried a team that debuffers sp def raises Def, and does Sp Attack but still couldn’t kill

[toxic cobalt]

Because the round parameter prevents quadqueue id take the status or interference parameter off and use it to force your second sync through

You could run say Brendan Skyla and Ramos

[north crown]

hard or mm

[toxic cobalt]

Also you can take off the strength and Hp and replace with no zone/weather change

Unless you want sun and/or are fighting Bertha

[north crown]

I can build the entire CS run as long as the resources and practical game knowledge is there with the player

a requirement is knowing basic teambuilding

[strange dove]

Oh jeez I haven't worked on stadium yet on hard, if I send my sync pairs over here sometime would someone be able to give me a general idea what'd work for each fight (Not sure where to begin with this)

[north crown]

how about now?

[compact yoke]

Does it really prevent it? I swear I quad queued a game or two ago,

[north crown]

maybe you specifically used tms, which is just enough for shield to last to sync, thus being able to quadq

[worn tusk]

what grass cs stage could i off typ with exd bea

[toxic cobalt]

The physical and damage reduction parameters force an opponent move on exactly when you’d usually quadqueue. Can work around it but it’s a general principle.

[toxic cobalt]

Probably all of them, just got to make sure you have the speed

[north crown]

idk about lorelei tho. most comps that run with bea don't necessarily bring accuracy support

[compact yoke]

Ahh yeah I prob got lucky somehow

But u were saying before u could make me a team for each stage?

[north crown]

yeah, from this right? can I assume you know basic teambuilding and some game knowledge? I been roadblocked way too many times by the lack of these.

I'm getting sick of it

also the reason why I haven't picked up the helper role

[compact yoke]

Yes u can

[north crown]

@compact yoke so do I just make the teams, or you got any restrictions (e.g: grid, potential etc.)

[compact yoke]

I was close!

[north crown]

OH LOL I sent the pinged message at the same time u said yes

[compact yoke]

Lol it happens

[north crown]

remind me about the grass cs params?

or they in pins?

[strange dove]

Yeah sure. Here's what I got going on lol I've mostly taken the game casually, but I should be able to grid anyone if they're not.

I more or less get the basics of teams, but I think it's more like... "omg which of these is actually worth investing into the grid for" or knowing what fight is best to use who if it's off type.

[compact yoke]

I sent some pics above

[compact yoke]

These

[north crown]

no I meant the round specific ones

[compact yoke]

Ohh like what each round is

[north crown]

I'm not sure which pin is the params for grass cs

[worn tusk]

should i save steven for another team or is this fine

[north crown]

If anyone here is lurking and they're free, you're welcome to try out doing this

[compact yoke]

Yo Nitsua imma smoke then start readin some Beserk, if I don’t reply immediately it’s just cuz I didn’t see it yet but will see ur message

[strange dove]

Yeah no pressure lol thanks if anyone can help tho I'm just here to collect my fav characters and suffer

[toxic cobalt]

Oooh Archie and maxie

Who is gridded so far?

[toxic cobalt]

Probably works without him but depends on your teams!

[marsh crater]

The pasio cs is hard

[toxic cobalt]

Rough types

[marsh crater]

I want to get that move candy at 11k

Ugh

[toxic cobalt]

Who have you got left?

[marsh crater]

I done doing the 10k

Dun have the energy to make it 11k

[toxic cobalt]

Same teams don’t work?

[marsh crater]

Just finished the 10k

Like i said my mind is exhausted

[toxic cobalt]

Well take a rest! Got a few days

[marsh crater]

How long the cs will stay?

Until next week?

[compact yoke]

25th for grass 5th for normal?

[toxic cobalt]

Until the Monday reset

[marsh crater]

Should i do 2.2k everytime?

The last 200 points is tough

[toxic cobalt]

Try a full 2.5!

[marsh crater]

Especially the last boss

Impossible aahhh

[toxic cobalt]

If you can do 10k I believe

If all else fails stall them !

[marsh crater]

Did i do it correctly, sequence n team to beat em? I found lorelei and serena the hardest. This is all 2k

[devout sluice]

If I can do 10k, so can 12.5k. All it takes is a strategy, your pairs, levels, grids, and lucky skill. Choosing the correct parameters and finally choosing the right rounds on the 4 elite 4 members.

[marsh crater]

Bruno got impervious right?

And lorelei got healing

Bertha sandstorm is ez to counter

And grimsley i forgot

[proud axle]

I don't think this was the Impervious Bruno?

[devout sluice]

Gradual healing yes so you just counter her gradual healing with the gradual healing parameter.

[marsh crater]

This is impervious bruno

Headache

Thats why i got sc zinnia on bruno

[proud axle]

What the fuck are you talking about?

[marsh crater]

Wait this isnt it?

[toxic cobalt]

Normal CS not grass

[devout sluice]

You mean normal CS Bruno?

[toxic cobalt]

Normal CS has impervious

[proud axle]

Grass Bruno isn't in the Kanto League

[marsh crater]

Oh

[proud axle]

He's from the Johto league

[marsh crater]

I got mixed up

Ok maybe ill try do cmarnie team on serena

[toxic cobalt]

That’s cool wait which CS are you asking help with? Grass one? If so you have another week

[marsh crater]

Hmm maybe ill try to use mewtwo on bruno

Im asking for grass

[devout sluice]

Ya, which Bruno version is it you needing help with?

[marsh crater]

Bruno kanto already 2.5k

[proud axle]

If you only on-type one of the fights, make it either Neo Serena or Bertha

Those two are the most dangerous

[marsh crater]

Bertha i do it with sycamore and cserena

So i think its easy

[proud axle]

Enemy Neo Serena has her No Quarter/Water Shuriken combo for 125BP total

[toxic cobalt]

You can split Silver and SSErika up…

[proud axle]

Keep in mind enemies in CSMM usually have ~60BP moves

[marsh crater]

4th round who should i choose?

[devout sluice]

Ya, Neo Serena WS does nasty damage, can potentially OHKO also

[marsh crater]

This i experience it

[proud axle]

I used the OPkachus to nuke Grimsley on Round 4

I just did not wanna have to deal with that sync countdown

[marsh crater]

I dunno which team to use on round 4

[proud axle]

If you don't have the OPkachus... hm.

[toxic cobalt]

I used sycamore

He loves the sync countdown

[proud axle]

Yeah, a sync- or mega-dependent pair would be good there

[marsh crater]

If use sycamore, need to use special dps

[toxic cobalt]

Sycamore has a physical grass attack

[marsh crater]

Hmm can i use mewtwo sycamore on round 4?

[marsh crater]

Sycamore is not the dps tho

[toxic cobalt]

F

[marsh crater]

He can buff physical with team shout tho

[proud axle]

Horn Leech is still a pretty strong move

[marsh crater]

So who should fight using 4th round effect

[proud axle]

Well, we found out that if you put SSMay and Neo Bede on the same team for Round 4... their combined 3 points of Head Start mean Bede can open with his Buddy move and you can sync at the start of turn 2

Bede can do TM BMove TM for the second sync cycle at zero gauge cost

[toxic cobalt]

Probably Lorelei. The others get crit post sync

[proud axle]

Lorelei is the least-dangerous for Round 4, ye

[toxic cobalt]

I did Grimsley because I’m a moron

[proud axle]

Bertha is most dangerous because her post-sync crit buff is teamwide

So even after she goes down, her sidekicks are leveraging that +1 crit for their AoE spam

[compact yoke]

Zaddy nistua, could this be something I do^ idc if it isn’t

[proud axle]

...I have no idea what that means

[marsh crater]

Maybe i can use same team on lorelei but this time ex ss erika

[north crown]

@compact yoke This should do 12.5k points relatively easily

R1 - Grimsley: Rosa/SSElesa/Glacia (Bring Support EX), Silver, Blaine (Backup: Jasmine, Lucy, Janine)

• Classic. Turn 2 Sunny Day for crit from Silver's TM (unless Glacia cuz of focus group grid node), deny left with 2x sync buffed solar beams, and the rest is history as long as you spam SB. Alternatively, you could swap round 1 and 3, poison stalling Lorelei with Jasmine (no EX required for stalls).

I just realized that I built a Silver team that wants turn denial due to shield parameter, which solar beam might not be able to do unless Silver has expanded grid. If he has it, fo tm, solar beam left side, tm, (support ex) solar beam left side. That should probably kill.

Otherwise turn denying left side with Mallow’s nuke with this team: Sonia, Mallow, Darach. If this fails, either use the rain team with OG Lillie tank, swap to poison stalling Grimsley on r3 with Jasmine, or make your own team.

R2 - Bertha: Skyla, SSErika, SSLyra

• SSLyra flinch bot. Abuse SSLyra's queuing gimmick with Grassy Glide to save Sunny Day for later in the fight so you can quadqueue.

R3 - Bruno: CBede, Giovanni, AnniMay

• I don't want to give advice about using Mallow, as I don't have enough experience with her to teambuild optimally. The parameter + Psy terrain should allow Giovanni to wipe sides out on first sync. The rest is self explanatory.

R4 - Lorelei: Erika/PSerena, Ash, Volkner/SSTRed

• Replace Erika with someone tankier if you die to early somehow. Burst damage is the entire strategy. Ash's Sync + Buddy Move should suffice.

R5 - CSerena: Lucian/Liza, SSSteven, Bianca

• Your psychic roster is stacked. Grid Lucian for dauntless and you're good to go (Liza has it on base kit). Spam double team for beeg nuke.

In case the above doesn't work:
Wildcards: SSTRed, Archie + May, Sycamore + Hop + random grass DPS (probably selene).

[north crown]

oh this is interesting....

[compact yoke]

Bro should become manager after this list. Imma do it first thing when I wake up I’m falling asleep, your dope as fuck for making a whole list for me

And even including the ideas behind their setup too I love it

[north crown]

Learnt from the best

I remeber someone (rancer?) making entire fucking essays on this shit

[compact yoke]

Shows u really took ya time, I appreciate it

But yeah idk why I got so many psychics lol. Prob cuz most are always good

[north crown]

you could CBede + SSMay on R4, but that means making your own team (more like choosing a third)

[compact yoke]

Gotchu I’ll think about which I’ll do

[north crown]

changed erika tank on r4 lorelei to pserena (palserena). I realized how jank the paralysis statusers are. same strat, especially now that we got no tank

[compact yoke]

I’m assuming my move levels and potentials are fine for them?

I’ll just make sure everyone is gridded up

[north crown]

yeah. all palserena is there for is paralysis for ash nuke

[compact yoke]

Alright bet

[north crown]

I just realized that Silver is bad at turn denying. Shit I’m a write shit down

[dark osprey]

Power boosted silver is kinda nice

[north crown]

thing is idk if they have power boosted silver

[dark osprey]

Stack up a super effective next

Ah ok

[north crown]

If it is power boosted, then they could swap between tm and sb before first sync

Shit ima write that down

Holy shit I’m hitting the 2000 word limit on that message

[dark osprey]

Lol

[latent eagle]

God why is MM Lorelei so hard ☠️ using korrina/SSA Cynthia/cobalion and post sync on type parameter

[marsh crater]

Nope i cant

2.5k pasio cs is hard

[old orchid]

use Solgaleo instead of Korrina and Maylene instead of Cobalion

[old orchid]

which stage are you struggling on?

[latent eagle]

I'll try that thanks!

[toxic cobalt]

Teams 1 2 and 4 here were quite successful, and there can be better substitutes to make depending on your limited and gen pool units

[tame gust]

the first bit of screentime Marlons ever seen.

[full mesa]

What's your Rosarade's build?

Ummm guys? How many turns does EleSSa skip with her TM? 2 or 3?

[dark osprey]

2

[full mesa]

Doesn't it count 1 for the move + 2 from the effect?

[dark osprey]

no unfortunately. then it would be a whole turn skip

[full mesa]

So she need HS1

Or another unit with +1 sync accel

[dark osprey]

technically she skips only 1 with the TM

[full mesa]

I see

[dark osprey]

if u are lucky with leg up and head start 1 you get a whole turn skip i believe

[full mesa]

I won't run Leg Up. I like the preset build in #1009587872342478908

[dark osprey]

also for Gardenia personally, i needed both Leaf storm super duper effective2 and charging sun3 along with the Sp atk +20 to clear reliably

[old orchid]

Leg Up is really bad, dont bother gridding that tile

[full mesa]

Full sun burst build.

WW3 or "no spa drop" for lucky skill?

[old orchid]

WW3, she already has stat drop immunity under sun passive in her grid

[full mesa]

Yeah. She has that under sun. That's why you only run her under it.

[toxic cobalt]

That one was a sun build to take advantage of blaine

Full dps too, as Rosa was taking the first sync and there was no quadqueue

[full mesa]

Is her sync nuke lucking? Because most people around use her DPS build.

[toxic cobalt]

Her sync will do the job if you build for it

Not as good as Support EXing her dps though

[keen jasper]

Because evasion and crit shield?

[latent eagle]

I’m aware, figured that out

[keen jasper]

Sure

[latent eagle]

Anyways here’s a video against Lorelei closet I’ve gotten https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMYtvcYJQ/

Using post sync on type parameters

[swift swan]

yikes, you got frozen? that's not good. it messes with your sync countdown since cynthia can't move

[latent eagle]

Yeah, thought about trying again but even if I didn't get frozen I feel the run would be the same more or less, is their something im not doing that I should?

[toxic cobalt]

You should be using Sol's tm first turn

[swift swan]

postsync huh? I feel like solgaleo and ssa cynthia can presync it

you don't want to postsync lorelei anyway. that crit shield hurts a lot

[toxic cobalt]

If you get frozen jsut use the potions to maintain the queue

[swift swan]

also, what's solgaleo's grid?

[toxic cobalt]

Oooh nice quadqueue

Okay the video has stopped playing but that looked legit

As a small note there's not much point syncing with Sol given the new parameters, may as well sync with Maylene or Cynthia who have much easier quadqueues

[latent eagle]

Solgaleo's grid

I mainly synced w/ mc bc their grided for free move on sync but sticking w/ Cynthia is probably better bc fighting zone lol

[toxic cobalt]

This would be better, and you can actually remove the bottom left to add more on the top right if you want

[latent eagle]

Alright cool! The grid I had was for something else (either a level or a different CS I do not remember tho lol) ill try it out once my iPad charges bc I refuse to try and do this battle on my small phone screen ☠️

[toxic cobalt]

PoMa 🤝 No battery left

[drifting sleet]

who is poison stall team

SSLeaf/???/???

[old orchid]

A tank + poison/trap inflictor (preferly units that can do both) + a debuffer or a trap/poison inflictor

[drifting sleet]

leaf poisons though

so just trap then?

[old orchid]

I just give you the general idea

[toxic cobalt]

SS Leaf solo

[drifting sleet]

ouh i shee

thanks

[toxic cobalt]

SS Leaf Viola Leaf

Assuming it’s a spatk stage

[drifting sleet]

yup that did it for Lorelei, thanks!

[keen jasper]

SS Leaf/OG Janine/?

Oh you've done it already, ok then

[drifting sleet]

dang why does bertha hit so hard

[proud axle]

Sinnoh league is probably the hardest league so far.
It's even moreso if the sandstorm is still active at the time she attacks (I think her whole team has the Surging Sand passive)

[old orchid]

changing weather is recommended

[drifting sleet]

I did but I can't kill her fast enough w/ ss erika

[swift swan]

what's the team?

[drifting sleet]

lyra + ss erika + ????

been trying a bunch of stuff for the last slot

closest I've gotten was palmarnie because of growl and double intimidate

[old orchid]

replace Lyra with Skyla, add another Grass damage dealer or a defense debuffer

[drifting sleet]

im on round 4 though I'm psure the sync will murder skyla

[old orchid]

any defense buffers work

[drifting sleet]

roxanne?

(I used skyla earlier)

also have uhhh

[proud axle]

Hold on

Have you used Silver yet, and/or are planning to use him later

[drifting sleet]

i have not used him no

[proud axle]

SSErika and Silver, together, may be an option then.

Is he Powerboosted?

[drifting sleet]

yup

[proud axle]

That makes this much more flexible.

Let's see... There are fewer Supports than I expected, on that list. Is that just Def buffers?

[swift swan]

3/5 SS Erika might just be able to presync R4 if paired with another grass damage dealer

use the nuke grid

[drifting sleet]

that's just def buffers yeah

[proud axle]

Hmm...

[drifting sleet]

these are supports

saving bede for serena

[proud axle]

I'm thinking SSErika, Sonia, Silver. Could be post-sync but the enemy crit buff will be a problem

[drifting sleet]

sonia dies to sync

SE

I tried it earlier

[proud axle]

Crud!

Okay, re-thinking

Jasmine can protect you from the crits long enough, but then we might have Speed issues

Elio can put the sidekicks to sleep after Bertha goes down, preventing them from critting. But to do this, he needs Troublemaker instead of Vigilance, meaning Bertha herself will crit him

This is difficult...

I think I might consider SSErika, Silver, Jasmine-- giving every sync to Silver so that Erika doesn't need to recast Sunny Day. Jasmine waits until Quite Something (the turn after enemy sync) before starting to Clang

Erika needs to use X Speed for gauge... This is clumsy as hell

Bertha for R4 is... not pleasant

[drifting sleet]

Should I just make another poison stall ._.

[proud axle]

That is way less effective here. Crits bypass defense buffs and ignore attack debuffs

And Bertha gives Crit to her sidekicks too

...Also Bertha has Lessen Poison 9 instead of 8

...Also it might be difficult to survive Sandstorm-powered High Horsepower

I don't think I have a good solution. The hardest E4 (Bertha) is in the hardest round (Round 4) and the best Supports for this situation (Skyla and Blue) are already used up

[drifting sleet]

I didnt think she'd be this hard ;w;

[proud axle]

Sinnoh is the hardest League by far

[drifting sleet]

There's something I kinda want to try that's a bit janky

[crystal notch]

I think everyone has been warning to not do Bertha r4 this entire week

[drifting sleet]

will report if it works

[proud axle]

May as well. The next options are offtyping with rain or hail, and "do a 0pt clear so you can reset and re-plan"

[hidden ore]

R4 Grimsley is okay?

[proud axle]

It's what I did, though any R4 will be rough

I used the 3rd Anniversary Pikachus though, so I was kinda cheating

[drifting sleet]

i did it

I am a freaking genius

(Ignore the psychic terrain in the top left, I misclicked)

[long thicket]

Is the special stadium gone by the end of the week?

[swift swan]

ends april 25

[old orchid]

it lasts for 2 weeks

#1012256199128915968 has dates, mind you

[proud axle]

🎊

[drifting sleet]

I always knew I'd find a use for sawsbuck

eventually

[long thicket]

Oh, I see. I'm only now getting to Bertha as the first opponent.

And sorry, I don't have the greatest reflexes to check this stuff.

[proud axle]

If you wanna check while you can't open Discord, it's also here

[long thicket]

Yeah, feeling a little stupid on that one. ^^'

Won 2k Bertha with Groudon, Leafeon, and Aaron as an EX support.

Groudon provides sun immediately, so I wouldn't have to use Erika's gauge for that at the beginning.

[hidden ore]

Hmm
For Grimsley
Trying to setup Owl

[proud axle]

Owl sets itself up pretty well

You could swap one of those supports for a second attacker, probably

[drifting sleet]

lol to nobody's surprise, Calem + Marnie + Bede absolutely bodied serena

[proud axle]

The funny thing is, Dark Zone also helps Serena

But evidently nowhere near enough

[mellow linden]

I mean, not consistently

There’s a chance she doesn’t click Brutal Swing

[devout sluice]

Ya, not like EBE where it’s scripted.

[proud axle]

Just don't accidentally click Calem's Buddy Move while he's in Water mode or else Turbo Oof

[crystal notch]

well, with 10k done

I wonder if I should attempt 10.5k?

that piece of golden coin sure looks nice

and since I now have three poison stall teams I can free up selene to on type another stage

so 10.5k should be doable theoretically

and lodge sycamore is at 50/100 so I can speedrun him guaranteed in the next ~7 days

and I got sc zinnia to help too

would yall be willing to help?

don't worry, I'll make my own teams first

and then come back here for feedback

[compact yoke]

I can’t help cuz I ain’t good enough at the strategy to, but if u want someone helped me last night and have me team comps, so u can look off of what they gave me

It’s based specifically on my Pokémon I have tho so

[compact yoke]

^ may or may not help u

[crystal notch]

ah, thanks, although quite frankly I'm missing so many of the units in your teams HAHA

[compact yoke]

Yeah nah didn’t think it would be tooo helpful, but u could see the idea of the team setup and maybe find guys u could sub in

[toxic cobalt]

DId you post your 10k teams in #1010274591601598555 ?

[crystal notch]

no, not yet

doing rn

[junior crown]

Good choice, now on the way to make the 4th snd 5th one

[proud axle]

Your tox stall teams should be able to get 2.5k easily

One 2.5k and four 2.0k clears will get you that 10.5k, I think?

[junior crown]

3 x 2.5k (poison stall) is 7.5k so missing 3k for 10.5k

[crystal notch]

currently discussing it in #1010274591601598555 if you want to join

[proud axle]

Ye, each additional 2.5k stall is -500pts needed in the remaining run

[compact yoke]

Yo should there be any specific parameter for the first round against grimsley, using glacia, silver, Blaine, but he’s just not doing enough damage

[toxic cobalt]

Don't use blaine, use a flincher/sleeper. You're not doing damage with sync anyway.

[compact yoke]

I was just usin him for sunny day, I’ll try a flincher/sleeper

[proud axle]

Glacia can't freeze them in Sun, so she's just a glass support

[compact yoke]

Huh didn’t know that thanks

[proud axle]

Ye, sun blocks freeze in the main series; in PMEX it does that and thaws anyone currently frozen

[compact yoke]

Might not do 2.5k each but do like 2.2 instead

Don’t care for the 2.5k reward

Hmm sunny day was more effective, especially since sharpedo apparently can’t sleep

[proud axle]

Sounds like you had No Status Conditions on

I don't see Wide Awake on Grimsley's skillset

[compact yoke]

So closeee

Oh yeah I might have turned that parameter on

Forgot bout that

Nistua’s team comp seems to be much more effective but maybe I’m still doin something wrong, cuz I can’t kill

[swift swan]

Doesn't seem like you were able to quadqueue there

Grimsley got to sync before your second sync

[proud axle]

What stands out to me, here, is Glacia having the second sync while Blaine is at 0/2 Sunny Day MP

Should probably give that sync to Silver for more sun.
But I suspect the run ended with the enemy's sync anyway

[compact yoke]

Yeahh it ended at sync

What’s preventing me from quadqueuing

Wrong pic

Trying to send vid

Bro I can’t send shit apparently

Cuz I can’t send a video more than like 20 seconds

Not even 11 seconds

[junior crown]

usually sun

[compact yoke]

Gotcha

[junior crown]

if the sun ends in the same turn as your sync

you can't quad sync

the same for some passives

or accelartion, etc

[mellow linden]

Yeah, field effects running out are usually the problem

[storm quest]

Wound up just poison stalling Blue. Praise be!

[compact yoke]

Yeah i wanna die

[junior crown]

the cult have one more prayer!! Let's go

[compact yoke]

I keep getting the mf low then dying

[storm quest]

Got my 12.5k and two of the battles I just toxic stalled lmao

[junior crown]

congrats!

[storm quest]

Now to... do the same thing to the grass cs

[compact yoke]

Doing tthis shit later, been just sitting here for an hour doing reset after reset

[storm quest]

It gets to be a bit much sometimes. Good to take breaks!

[compact yoke]

Just sucks cawk cuz ik the team should be working but it’s not and it’s prob on me

[storm quest]

I feel that way constantly, like what am I doing wrongggg

Need the perfect string of RNG most times

[compact yoke]

It just comes down to this every time

Fuck that

[junior crown]

Two questions

Why Glacia?

And tried Poison Stall?

[frosty axle]

My Hooh beats it fine before sync?

you probably using the wrong parameters

[compact yoke]

Haven’t tried poison stall yet, and doing glacia cuz it’s what was suggested to me, and I guess for just ensuring max Sp attack for Hooh idk

[compact yoke]

Probably tbh

[latent eagle]

The heck do I do against blue MM? I tried SST Red/Sonia/BP surge w/ both pre-sync off type and post-sync off type (I believe, it was really early in the morning and tbh I was kinda just messing with parameters bc brain was mush)

[compact yoke]

Who was ur team, and do u mind sending screenshots of parameters

[junior crown]

BP surge is not doing anything in that team

[latent eagle]

Yeah I just didn't know who to stick there so surge went there and literally no one said anything about bp surge when I shared my teams originally

[keen jasper]

Why don't you use Roark?

Unless you really want to off-type with SST Red

[junior crown]

or use poison stall

[north crown]

I updated my guide. I realized that this team comp is jank after I typed everything out. I tried editing the message to get to tell you, but apparently that didn’t work. Might have to ping u everytime.

[junior crown]

if you want to use SST Red better to put a def debuffer than BP Surge

[latent eagle]

Idk how to use him

[keen jasper]

Even with his grid?

[junior crown]

You could try dual strike too with C Blue + Olivia for example

[frosty axle]

you can find it in my video, I did Bertha instead but it does have a lot more health https://youtu.be/i899-sVq0_Q

[latent eagle]

I don't know what grid to use/what to do to get mega damage like I've seen w/ roark, I literally just said idk how to use him

[north crown]

@compact yoke TL;DR: Make sure you have maxed offensive stats for solar beam and use 2 SEUP boosted solar beams. This will not work if you don’t have Silver’s grid expansion. Read this for additional strategies.

[keen jasper]

Pick a grid set up for him

Mostly ones that involve his Steadfast grids

[north crown]

Oh wow didn’t know silver could do Bertha fully f2p
Ah wait it’s post sync

[latent eagle]

Is this a good grid for Roark or nah?

[mellow linden]

If you’re never clicking Head Smash it can work

[frosty axle]

yes but on Grimsley it would presync

since health is a lot lower which he/she is doing

[north crown]

Then I don’t get how they’re failing.. huh

[frosty axle]

ye same

[north crown]

I personally don’t like post sync; even without the sync buff option, the opponent does more than enough damage to wipe you out before their second sync

[latent eagle]

Is there a better grid i could do? I said in a prev message idk how Roark works, this grid was originally for LG team I never did so

[frosty axle]

pretty sure its parameters and not doing 4 moves properly

[north crown]

Yeah I realized my mistake

[mellow linden]

Check out the pinned document in #1009587872342478908

Should have multiple options

[north crown]

I was building for silver to turn deny, which might not be possible

[mellow linden]

But again, if you’re not clicking Head Smash the one you’re using works

It’s just that you cannot click Head Smash with it

[north crown]

The only hope to doing so is to do tm solar beam tm solar beam, and hope the seup boosted SBs can deny left

One of them having to hit therng crit since only +1-2 crit

[frosty axle]

Could be a grid issue also mine usually maxes sp.atk if I remember right

[keen jasper]

Are you really not doing damage with Head Smash?

[north crown]

Might change to skyla brendan blaine

[latent eagle]

I'm not touching head smash at all

[keen jasper]

You're that afraid of Head Smash despite how many Steadfast tiles there is?

[latent eagle]

Ppl have told me not to use it so??? I'm not touching lol

[mellow linden]

Who said that?

[keen jasper]

[mellow linden]

Gotta be honest, if you’re not using Head Smash then just use Olivia instead

[latent eagle]

^^^ UM?????? Unless im misinterpreting this????

[mellow linden]

I mean with the grid you have

You need to change your grid if you’re using Head Smash

[keen jasper]

You literally have no Steadfast tiles gridded

[north crown]

Remind me of round 3’s parameter?

On grass cs

[latent eagle]

Would sync nuke grid work?

[mellow linden]

The one from the example grids doc?

[swift swan]

Special attacks powered up

[latent eagle]

Ye, you told me to go there bc idk what grid to do

[mellow linden]

Yeah, all 3 are fine, just pick your favorite

And then you can behold the might that is Head Smash

[compact yoke]

Oh shit that’s my bad, yeah I don’t go on discord much at all so I won’t see something unless pinned ngl I’m sorry

[latent eagle]

Who should I pair roark up w/ and how do I use him?

[mellow linden]

Attack/crit buffer is ideal, you basically click Head Smash until things die and use his Trainer Move on the turn before he Syncs if you’re Sync nuking with him

If you have SS Diantha she’s an amazing teammate for him, but not required

Roark is one of the most straightforward damage-dealers once gridded

[latent eagle]

Roark/bp surge/hop work?

[keen jasper]

Sure

Hop has Potions to keep Roark alive

[mellow linden]

If you can afford a better Speed buffer to replace BP Surge it’d be ideal, but the team works fine

[latent eagle]

Do I on type or off type bc roark is the only on type? also doing pre-sync unless post sync is better?

[mellow linden]

Wdym “only on-type”, Roark is the only damage-dealer on the team

So the team is naturally on-type

[keen jasper]

Roark will destroy Blue with Head Smash

[north crown]

@compact yoke one mistake, and you have to change the entire roster. Unles you add in the wildcards, which I’m willing to decide to do. Use SSTRed for Grimsley round 1.

I was literally typing out another set of teams when I realized I just created more mistakes.

Deny left with nuke, then mid. Should be an ez game with a decent team

[proud axle]

...Roark's DPS is fucking amazing these days tho

[compact yoke]

Lmao ur good it’s all trial and error at end of day, gotta keep seeing what works, appreciate u a lot

[latent eagle]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMYnetdku/ so um….I’m definitely doing somthing wrong cause uhhhh there’s like no damage being done, on type pre sync parameter w/ use powerful moves quickly and constantly

Also misclicked thunder wave on second Sync oop

[crystal notch]

how long does this last?

[mellow linden]

Is Physical Damage Reduction 8 turned on

Also, a gameplay optimization you can make is using each of BP Surge’s Trainer Moves once instead of using X Attack All twice 1st

[frosty axle]

think it is 9 moves so goes after your first sync

or before can't remember

[mellow linden]

It’ll vanish right before your Sync (thus disrupting quadqueue) in the majority of circumstances

[latent eagle]

It’s on type pre sync so yeah

[mellow linden]

If you look at the top of the parameter guide you’ll notice it says that for some parameters you pick either one based on your team

Change Physical Damage Reduction 8 to Special Damage Reduction 8

[proud axle]

It's a lot harder to just copy someone else's homework for the new score parameters, since they're so team-specific

Mf got a 0 on his homework when he copied everything off his bestie's worksheet... Including the name field

[waxen surge]

For pasio stadium do the same parameters apply as if it was the original champion stadium?

[north crown]

The round specific ones? They stay the same

[frosty axle]

yes

[devout sluice]

The parameters looks the same as regular CS

[waxen surge]

Oh ok ty ^^

[latent eagle]

It's doing better with the switch to special damage reduction 8 but the sync ain't exactly nuking it

[mellow linden]

Well most Sync nukes aren’t able to get the KO on 1st Sync, especially if no Zone/Terrain/Weather to boost the damage

[latent eagle]

I get KOed once blue sync's should I change to post sync on type?

[north crown]

Why are there 2 crit buffers

Replace hop with lana or something

[lunar meadow]

Why is there... Most of the team haha

[north crown]

LOL TRUE

[mellow linden]

If Roark isn’t KOing before Sync you’re probably gonna need to adjust the Supports

[proud axle]

Roark needs Surge or Hop but probably not both

[lunar meadow]

At least get roark to 5*?

[north crown]

idk their olivia move level situation

Or any of their rock dps roster

[latent eagle]

Ppl originally said roark/surge/hop is fine yeesh

[proud axle]

Who else is an option?

[north crown]

What are they smoking? Fr

[mellow linden]

I mean, I did say that replacing BP Surge was preferable

[frosty axle]

who are the crazy people?

[proud axle]

What other Supports and what other Rock-Move-Knowers are there

[latent eagle]

^^^^

[lunar meadow]

Zamazenta, Roark, and someone that debuffs the enemy offensive stats is probably better

[mellow linden]

If saying “doing this is better, but the team is functional” is crazy, then I guess think of me what you will

[frosty axle]

crazy who said putting Raichu with Zamazenta

[mellow linden]

No one initially recommended it

Afaik

[north crown]

Culprit spotted

Yeah no one initially

[mellow linden]

Regardless, this is all beside the point

Wait

Is that an EX Hilbert I spot?

[north crown]

It’s just someone who signaled green light

[lunar meadow]

Is blue using a special attacker this week or phys?

[north crown]

Oml ex hilbert..? Goddamn why u strugglin

[lunar meadow]

Because rock SE against blue implies Pidgeot to me...

Not debuffing his satk or buffing your own Sdef would obviously lead to dead roark

[north crown]

Hilbert roark kukui. Flinch your way to victory.

[proud axle]

Special, this week, but tbh Roark should win ez

[latent eagle]

Look no one gave any other options when I asked who to pair Roark with so please stop bashing on me for my team thanks

[proud axle]

Before we continue
Was Hilbert still available

[latent eagle]

Besides the speed comment that is

[mellow linden]

Regardless, if EX Hilbert is still available he’s the obvious pick for the main Support

[latent eagle]

Hilbert is available ye, crossed out the ones who aren’t

[proud axle]

I can't load the images rn, my cell reception is spotty

So I couldn't see

[latent eagle]

F

[north crown]

Hilbert roark kukui ez

[frosty axle]

was helping someone else so not looking at your image until now

[north crown]

If olivia is there, hilbert olivia acerola

[proud axle]

With Hilbert on the field, you can definitely add either flinch assist or a second attacker or something

[mellow linden]

Hilbert + Roark + Kukui or Potion is fine

[proud axle]

Brock can Potion!

[mellow linden]

Not my 1st Potion recommendation, but he does in fact work

[north crown]

2/5 olivia, which has a hot garbage nuke compared to roark

[mellow linden]

?????

2/5 gives Olivia full nuke access

[proud axle]

2/5 Olivia has Inertia and Sand Blaster, I thought

[north crown]

Wait really?

[frosty axle]

it does

[north crown]

I just assumed every nuke tile is at 3

[latent eagle]

Okay what am I doing with kukui? Cause I'm hes lvl 100 u gridded

[proud axle]

2/5 Olivia has weaker turn-to-turn DPS

But the nuke is thermonuclear

[north crown]

Sonia olivia acerola?

[proud axle]

Accelerock Staggering

[mellow linden]

If using Kukui he will be mainly Leer-bot or trying to flinch enemy

[proud axle]

Use Accelerock for flinching

If you don't wanna do Accelerock shenanigans, just Leer or use someone else

[latent eagle]

Does he have to be grided?

[mellow linden]

For flinching yes, for Leer no

[north crown]

Are we using roark or 2/5 olivia?

[latent eagle]

Roark

[north crown]

If you’re sure. I just got told information that 2/5 Olivia is viable for nuke, and roark’s DPS is not great without head smash, whcih you might want to avoid anyways

[proud axle]

Head Smash is amazing now that he has Standfast nodes tho

[mellow linden]

No real reason to avoid using it with his grid

[proud axle]

I like to deploy Roark and Olivia together with Ingo for maximum ridiculosity

[mellow linden]

Worst case scenario Kukui gets swapped with Potion user

[north crown]

Or gradual healing unit

[proud axle]

(Did Ducydoo200 have Ingo available?)

[north crown]

No ingo

[proud axle]

Nuts.

[mellow linden]

Let’s just wait and see how solo damage-dealer Roark works for them before we try and shift them to dual damage-dealer teams

[north crown]

Oml they have cblue

1/5 but still

[proud axle]

...Okay, so suddenly double strike is viable

Roark Blue Hilbert

[north crown]

Nah you don’t need hilbert

Blue provides crit support himself

[latent eagle]

So I managed to knock out blue but die to head smash

[proud axle]

Hell, the support doesn't even need to be Hilbert anym-- ye

[proud axle]

We have a potential new plan for you

[north crown]

Bookmark

[mellow linden]

Switch to a Potion user if survivability is an issue. Also, you’re Syncing with Hilbert, correct?

[mellow linden]

Let’s try to stick with minor adjustments before we completely change the team suggestions

[proud axle]

Maybe they should have used Roark's sync so that less of the damage would have recoil

[north crown]

Lana roark cblue

[proud axle]

Only changes one pair though

[north crown]

Nah this is better 😎

[proud axle]

Swap Kukui for Bluedactyl and it may work. Less of the damage output comes from Head Smash so Roark's head is less strained

[proud axle]

Does Blue have gauge support? I don't know him very well

Because Lana kinda half has gauge support...

[north crown]

And cblue is half too

iirc hehas combo freebie

[proud axle]

But you're still blazing through 8+ gauge per round so that's a bit scary

[north crown]

Just use rock throw everytime you don’t have free move on cblue

[proud axle]

Is their Lana EX? I can't see the images

[north crown]

No

[proud axle]

...Then I still recommend Hilbert

[latent eagle]

This seems very hard unless roark is supposed to do smash down now bc head smash is 3 and hyper beam is 4

[proud axle]

Blue's got a passive that reduces gauge usage, I'm told

[latent eagle]

Combo freebie barely works for me rng only likes hop and skyla

[proud axle]

Anyway, the team still has a lot of Speed

[north crown]

You can grid roark for gauge boost

[long thicket]

Yeah, I don't I'll go beyond 10k on that special one.
I got Grimsley with Sycamore, Whitney and Brendan.

So 2 out of 5.

[proud axle]

Or just use Gonna Need A Helmet strategically

[north crown]

Bad team building syndrome

[long thicket]

I still have Victor has a big hitter. The closest thing to a Grass EX I got.

[latent eagle]

I might just try w/ a potion user instead of kukui any recommendations?

[proud axle]

Brock I guess

Potion and rock themeskill

What grid are you using on Roark btw

[mellow linden]

Brock can work, Skyla can work, BP Morty can work

[latent eagle]

Brock is 3* lvl 100

[latent eagle]

Sync nuke

[proud axle]

If Hilbert is syncing, you may be better off with all three Standfasts instead

[latent eagle]

Gonna try bp morty cause he flinches

[proud axle]

You might also keep the sync nuke grid and try turn denials

[mellow linden]

Tbh BP Morty is probably the best Potion option since he buffs Sp. Def. and can flinch/confuse as well

[proud axle]

So that you unleash a boosted sync on Blue on your second sync

Hilbert first, knock out left sidekick, Roark sync second on the boss

[north crown]

If you’re going full send into healing: spburgh, roark, rachel could work

Hilbert roark 3/5 evelyn?

[proud axle]

Morty still looks better tbh

[north crown]

Hilber roark swimisty?

[mellow linden]

Let’s just see what happens 1st, if they have trouble with BP Morty we can analyze the “why” and adjust the team accordingly

[north crown]

Oh forgot about bpmorty lol

Flinch gameing

Or you could offtype with cyrus and may…
Bruhh they have sstred

[latent eagle]

Okay so I feel like I can do it w/ BP morty I just don't know the move order and mess up the flinching

[latent eagle]

My original team was sst red/sonia/bp surge but that wasn't working

[north crown]

.

[mellow linden]

I’m guessing parameter issues on that, but unless you want to revisit SST Red now we can come back to it if Roark still isn’t working after a few more attempts

[latent eagle]

That's why im in this channel isn't it?

[north crown]

Does colress paralyze?

[formal vigil]

yes

[mellow linden]

Anyways, for BP Morty if it makes things easier then once he uses his Trainer Move twice (or 3 times if MP Refresh happens) you can use Confuse Ray for the most part and only use Astonish for his 1st move after Hilbert’s Sync (targeting the left opponent)

[formal vigil]

via thunder wave

[north crown]

Ok ty

[latent eagle]

I'll try this!

[north crown]

Colress sstred random kanto pair

Ez w

Use max move after first sync. Ggez

[hearty lynx]

it's insane how busted xerneas is

[mellow linden]

Sycamore is a very useful Support, yeah

[latent eagle]

Okay so I think I wanna try w/ Sst red bc potion rng gods only like skyla and hop 💀 but iPad is currently charging atm so I can't do any teams rn

[mellow linden]

I think building off Nitsua’s suggestion by going SST Red + Colress + MistyDuck is worth examining if you wanna try switching to SST Red

Just make sure to adjust parameters so that you turn off Standard Damage Reduction 8 if you’re off-typing

[crystal notch]

having a bit of trouble

with bruno r3

normal cs

poison stall doesn't work because impervious

[wicked ibex]

45s

[mellow linden]

What team(s) have you tried thus far?

[crystal notch]

errr tried swinmisty-skyla-koga

and then I tried out zinnia-winona-sc steven (no defensive capability sadge)

and then I tried out rain team with may-cyrus-ex rosa on nitsua's suggestion

none of them have worked thus far

[mellow linden]

What Flying types do you have?

[crystal notch]

skyla is 3/5 now btw

from the attempt

[proud axle]

Blue 2/5 does have Brutal Clarity and Pinpoint Entry...

[crystal notch]

2/5

I'm barely hanging onto my orbs

6k left

[proud axle]

Is Blue already gridded or is he still empty

[crystal notch]

empty

completely

[proud axle]

Then maybe we should actually offtype this

[mellow linden]

Does Sycamore happen to be available?

[crystal notch]

I'm currently reserving him for agatha 2.5k with sycamore-gio-lucian

[mellow linden]

Ah

[proud axle]

Eh... Sycamore doesn't need to be on that team

Could have Rosa

Lucian already gives Speed

[mellow linden]

Still, could you show us the rest of your roster?

[proud axle]

...Are the Bede/SSMay/Silver shenanigans on the table?

[crystal notch]

normal bruno?

[proud axle]

Yeah for Flying Bruno

[crystal notch]

bede isn't free due to lorelei nuke

but otherwise may and silver is still there

[proud axle]

Acknowledged, let's find a different way then

[mellow linden]

Is SS Steven available?

[crystal notch]

yep

[proud axle]

Could build around him instead.

[mellow linden]

It’s not ideal because no Psychic Terrain (unless I’m blind), but he might work

[crystal notch]

no musharna

so indeed not blind

[mellow linden]

Could try him then

[crystal notch]

ss steven...and who to tank? hop?

ss steven - sycamore - someone?

[tribal agate]

btw Arts sidenote but it could be relevant in the future to fill this out, always appreciated

+tracker

[frozen depot]

https://pomasters.github.io/SyncPairsTracker/

For newcomers/beginners, check the video below on how to properly showcase your pairs : https://i.imgur.com/A0XcAgZ.mp4

[mellow linden]

Sycamore is somewhat wasted on the team, could do Skyla + 3rd teammate (maybe someone who can flinch? Idk)

[crystal notch]

noted

does it cache on your browser?

or do I need to make an account

[tribal agate]

yeah

[crystal notch]

or keep a link

[tribal agate]

browser cache or keep the code you can generate on the website

but it prints a screenshot you can share, it comes in handy a lot!

[crystal notch]

noted

filling it up rn

[tribal agate]

oh no pressure i just recommend it to allievate on Helpers since one screenshot is usually easier to parse!

[storm quest]

That's.. handy, I'll have to do that too

That said, if I drop my grass pairs in here, could I bother for thoughts on which might be worth using in the pasio cs?

I'm a bit strapped for orbs now, after Kanto

[rotund lagoon]

We got grass….and Gladion

In all seriousness, you got good options

[storm quest]

Hehe, and silver!

[rotund lagoon]

Silver’s just happy to be there

[shut prawn]

Do you guys think I could get 12,500 on the special stadium? Im going to collect the rest of the given pairs today.

[rotund lagoon]

I see SS Leaf for toxic stall, Selene, Brendan, SS Erika and Lodge Sycamore for damage

For Lodge Sycamore, he needs a poisoner and speed buffer to enable his base multipliers

[crystal notch]

note that I didn't bother looking at 3* and 4* except some notable ones

also whoops why is anni lillie here

[junior crown]

how many poison stall teams you said you have?? For the Grass CS you can try Sycamore DPS, Silver and SS Erika for the other rounds

those 3 not together*

[storm quest]

I used two in Kanto cs, SSLeaf + Janine + I think Misty, and then Lucy, Ghetsis, and Leaf(Eevee)

[rotund lagoon]

You got some options, you may need to off type a few, but the parameters are there for that. I’m more concerned about the current levels of a lot of the pairs tho

[void wyvern]

If this is your first time doing CSMM, might be good to dip your toes in with a 7500 clear and work your way up.

[rotund lagoon]

@shut prawn I am saying level pairs to 120 then stop there

[shut prawn]

I would be grateful getting a couple certificates to lvl up past 140

[rotund lagoon]

But if you have not done CSMM before, 12.5k is too high of a jump

[void wyvern]

The higher levels of csmm require game knowledge rather than merely having good pairs.

[rotund lagoon]

And by the looks of your roster, I’m assuming you have not done Master Mode before

[shut prawn]

Yeah this would be my first time

[rotund lagoon]

Start with 7500

That’s 1.5k a match

[shut prawn]

Sounds good ill go for ho-oh right now just to have an extra grass

[mellow linden]

Gardenia and SS Erika are some major picks amongst who you have

[rotund lagoon]

*Lodge Sycamore

[mellow linden]

Oh, I missed Lodge Sycamore

My bad, he's good too

[rotund lagoon]

I’m sorry dude, but damn Gardenia is hard to setup

[mellow linden]

I guess Gardenia is somewhat dependent on the Supports you have

[storm quest]

How much grid investment do these require?

I'll be honest I don't even know what Gardenia does lol..

I can look

[mellow linden]

If you're doing Master Mode then pretty much full grids on all of the pairs you use

[storm quest]

Fair enough

Does SS Erika set herself up or is a different buff pair better?

[mellow linden]

If she has to she can handle her own buffs, but ideally you’ll want to run her with someone who can save her some time so she can start dishing out damage faster

[storm quest]

I was leaning that way, just since it looks like she'd take a while to do it all herself.

[proud axle]

Gardenia has Leaf Storm, like Brendan. She has Dire Hit Plus, so she can max her own crit; her TM inverts debuffs into buffs; she can grid for Sunny Disposition, granting her immunity to debuffs during sunny weather.
Enemy Neo Serena likes to use SpAtk debuffs. Gardenia can invert these and then you can use Sunny Day to block further reductions

[void wyvern]

to tell how much help a sync pair needs for me is: “how reasonably can this sync pair setup their passives within the time till First sync?”

And some pairs can do that easy peasy and others need help with buffs, and others need help with passives.

figuring out which pairs set up what for themselves is how can you learn to optimize team building.

[proud axle]

(Gardenia does not have Sunny Day herself, she needs someone else to do it)

[storm quest]

Do you have a general rule or turn count that you look for?

[void wyvern]

I like to have everything ready by first sync or the turn after depending on team comp.

[proud axle]

First sync cycle is usually 3 moves per pair

[storm quest]

Does Brendan want Dauntless lucky skill? Does Gardenia, given her TM? In an all-grass CSMM, would you pair Gardenia with a sun-user or is that too much when SS Erika can operate independently and Silver exists and needs sun?

[void wyvern]

Most pairs buff everything in 2’s and max is 6. So with mp refresh/help can setup within first sync cycle.

[proud axle]

Brendan loves Dauntless
Gardenia can get away with something else if you use her with a sun summoner

I don't often use Gardenia since I have better options in general

But in this case, you can have her Dire Plus twice, suffer two SpA debuffs from Serena's attacks, and then TM to invert to +2 SpA while someone else sets Sun

And then Leaf Storm while immune

[mellow linden]

You can also just bring a Sp. Atk. buffer and a Sun setter for Gardenia

[void wyvern]

Yeah, at that point just bring a special buffer.

[proud axle]

This is not far from Sunny Disposition, so you may want sun anyway

[void wyvern]

Don’t forget, you can also use the 5 stats down at start with an impervious tank to make gardenia’s tm reverse all the downed stats

[mellow linden]

I have a grid in my photos folder, iirc, hold on

[proud axle]

This'll be hell on the third member but it can work really well

[mellow linden]

Yeah, here it is. I used this alongside Roxanne and a 1/5 EX SS Morty, but it should work with other options too

[crystal notch]

Not if the third member is called zinnia or variations thereof /j
Seriously though aren't there trainers who cleanse debuffs

[storm quest]

That's.. actually hilarious and brilliant lol

[proud axle]

If Morty was the sun summoner, maybe we could even fit a second attacker.
Unfortunately the next three grass-type Sun enjoyers (SSErika, Brendan, Silver) all have Ramming Speed...

[mellow linden]

Gardenia spends too much time setting up without an offensive Support

[void wyvern]

It’s not that bad on a Sycamore, Gardenia, Blaine/SS Erika team

[proud axle]

Fewer than you expect.
I can only think of one (SSMisty)

[crystal notch]

...that's horrifying

But anyways, ended up doing normal Bruno at 1.5k

And accidentally did Agatha at 2k instead of 2.5k

It's just back to blue now

Poison stall should work probably

[proud axle]

F2P rock options are looking pretty good these days tbh

Roark is really strong once gridded

[crystal notch]

very low on orbs

[proud axle]

Oof

[crystal notch]

and oivia already gridded with sandblaster

at 2/5

so eh

[proud axle]

Oh, Liv is plenty for 2.5k then

[crystal notch]

olivia - bertha - sc steven should nuke right

[proud axle]

Probably!

[crystal notch]

I just need to plan out the first cycle

is it better to go tackle-leer-leer

[proud axle]

Did Steven have Atk buffs?

[crystal notch]

PMUN

and SEUN

no atk buffs sadly

[proud axle]

Oof. Is he EX?

[mellow linden]

Is Olivia fully-gridded or does she only have Sand Blaster?

[crystal notch]

why would I ex a tech?

[proud axle]

He's a tech? I thought he was support

[rotund lagoon]

SC Steven? Tech

[proud axle]

Absolutely bamboozled

[cinder summit]

Steven (Special Costume) & Stoutland

Acquisition:

Seasonal

Alternates:

Steven & Metagross
Steven & Cradily
Sygna Suit Steven & Deoxys
Steven (Summer 2020) & Sandslash
Steven (Anniversary 2021) & Rayquaza

[mellow linden]

Once you have 5-6 Support EXs then you may want to EX a Tech for a stronger Sync

Or you may not

But Tech EX is far from worthless

Just lower priority oftentimes

[proud axle]

This is problematic. I might actually suggest using someone else to buff Olivia

[mellow linden]

Anyway, getting back to this topic

[crystal notch]

sand blaster and inertia

[proud axle]

Okivia needs even longer to buff up than SSErika

[crystal notch]

also MGR on stone edge

oh well back to poison stall if needed

[mellow linden]

Do you have a Hilbert?

[crystal notch]

1/5

[proud axle]

That is enough

[mellow linden]

That’s fine, Hilbert/Olivia/Bertha

[proud axle]

That will work here

[crystal notch]

see this for ref

ignore anni lillie

[proud axle]

Liv can skip X Atk and can be at +4/6 Speed by first sync

[mellow linden]

Thankfully Bertha gives +1 crit with each Trainer Move use and Olivia wants to use her Trainer Move once anyways

[crystal notch]

R1 param?

or r4 and nuke sides?

[mellow linden]

Round 1 can work fine

[crystal notch]

sure

will be back with results

[storm quest]

I know I saw it before, which rounds are ideal for which grass cs battles?

I need to start taking a screenshot when I see that answered lol

[mellow linden]

There isn’t really a set order, the big thing is that 1) you might wanna avoid Lorelei on Round 3 and 2) you need to figure out your Round 4 choice 1st

[crystal notch]

oh pidgeot just spammed aoe

and olivia died

[mellow linden]

This is Master Mode?

[crystal notch]

yeah

[storm quest]

Oh. Half sync countdown.. hmm.

[mellow linden]

What parameters?

Sounds like maybe you have Strike pairs taking x3 damage on

[crystal notch]

on type pre sync

tank friendly

also just checled

no strike pairs taking x3 damage on

[mellow linden]

Huh

What level is Olivia?

[crystal notch]

2/5

[mellow linden]

And did you use Bertha’s Trainer Move?

[crystal notch]

bertha tm olivia tm samurott speed all

yeah

[mellow linden]

I actually mean regular level in this case

[crystal notch]

olivia tm drops sp def

oh

120

[mellow linden]

Hmm, weird

I guess just try again and hope for better move RNG

[storm quest]

So with r4 half sync CD, it's probably not feasible to presync, is that assumption correct?

[mellow linden]

In the majority of cases, yes

[crystal notch]

actually I'm going to take r2 param

[storm quest]

Would it be a decent parameter to try to toxic stall?

[crystal notch]

hurricane one shots samurott

[mellow linden]

Some teams are able to do so (namely SS Steven Attack Forme Deoxys under Psychic Terrain), but most aren’t

[storm quest]

Gotcha

[mellow linden]

Eh, can’t say I recommend it unless you’re absolutely out of other options

[storm quest]

Fair enough. I don't generally have any success presyncing anyhow, so it'll be all the same to me lol

[proud axle]

That's odd. What Parameters were in play, again?

It's a strong attack, but I don't think it would be flatout OHKO

You can use Round 2 to blunt the damage

[crystal notch]

Hmm

This keeps happening

On my 2.5k stall

Against blue

[proud axle]

That enemy does not appear to be Toxicked

[crystal notch]

hmm perhaps

but either way I'm always one move left

from winning

this has happened three times

[mellow linden]

Could try Lucy instead of Koga

[crystal notch]

lucy is stuck on lance

[proud axle]

Oof

[crystal notch]

but hmm I can try bp erika

[mellow linden]

Ah

BP Erika would be better, yeah

[proud axle]

Ooh, she is more reliable

If you already spent the BP ticket that is

[silent quail]

[crystal notch]

yeah already did

[mellow linden]

Extra Trap DoT can probably make a good difference

[proud axle]

Cool then

[crystal notch]

even with surskit?

[proud axle]

Not here, Viola is already here

[silent quail]

[crystal notch]

well, masquerain

[mellow linden]

Ah, that’s fair

[crystal notch]

maybe pokey trap 1 from erika's passive will help

I doubt it though

I've even tried taking off max hp 2

and substituting with strength 1

[proud axle]

...? Wasn't this poison stall?

[crystal notch]

...yes?

just wanted trap DoT to help

[proud axle]

I... Trap scales with enemy maxHP

[crystal notch]

huh

[proud axle]

Just like poison/toxic/burn

It makes me wonder which parameters you were using for the Olivia team, again

But I need to AFK for a bit so I can't troubleshoot it right now

[crystal notch]

see ya

[tribal agate]

you're on Blue right?

[crystal notch]

yep

[tribal agate]

hmm that last screenshot was pretty close

do you properly apply trap to mid > right > left?

[crystal notch]

yeah

[tribal agate]

it's a bit of a min maxing, but that's the order they'll play at (mid > right > mid > left)

[crystal notch]

the screenshot is probably koga missing a poison and me forgetting

but otherwise bp erika should be more consistent

[tribal agate]

yes for certain

make sure you use the right parameters too

and well i guess you'll want to luck out on those Duck & Cover refreshes

it's a game of rng at that point with Misty

[crystal notch]

lmao 3 mpr mald

....pidgeot at literally no hp

but not dying

and hurricaning duck to deatj

[tribal agate]

unlucky

[compact yoke]

@north crown did u make the team setups for me based off the parameters I had selected and sent, or off other ones u had in mind. Ik in some of the descriptions u say which specific parameters to have on or off

[tribal agate]

Arts did you use your Aaron yet?

[crystal notch]

...who?

[cinder summit]

Aaron & Vespiquen

Acquisition:

General Pool
Ticket Scout
Ticket Scout (Sinnoh)

Alternates:

None

[crystal notch]

oh no I haven't

[tribal agate]

he could be a better option than Misty

you lose potion but he's bulkier and buffs more consistently team defenses

and he can self heal if anything, also has gradual heal

[crystal notch]

he can self heal once right

[long thicket]

Oh yeah, thanks for teasing us with the Kalos champion theme, game...

[tribal agate]

yeah but it's a huge one and gradual heal can help in the meantime

[worn tusk]

would this team work?

[tribal agate]

especially since the gradual heal works while he uses Defend Order (but use TM once first)

[crystal notch]

noted

so when should I use his TM

[tribal agate]

just once at the start, then save it again for when the gradual heal drops

[crystal notch]

a sync cycle in?

I see

[tribal agate]

then spam defend order like crazy

[crystal notch]

gradual heals drop two cycles:?

[tribal agate]

absolutely although not sure if it's worth using Morty there since Hop covers everything
but Erika is also fully self sustainable so she doesn't need Hop either

[crystal notch]

I don't quite know