Champion Stadium

[austere quest]

Apparently my Grass Team isn’t up to snuff

[dark osprey]

Lorelei is just annoying with the AOEs

[fiery canopy]

lets gooo new month

[frigid iron]

What is SS Ginger

Pls tell me you didnt call lysandre that

[subtle forge]

💀

Ginger bro

No wonder he’s a villain

[fiery canopy]

alriiiite lets get started :3
who do yall recommend is best 2 start with?

[rose prism]

Wait how do people complete 12,5k if it is the first week?

[austere quest]

You have it unlocked from previous runs

You just need the medal to unlock MM and it’s a perma unlock

[rose prism]

Played for months now and still had to unlock Kanto

[frigid iron]

Did you unlock kanto before

[dark osprey]

Can check the pins for the round parameters by Nov. Mentions to avoid certain foes on some battles

[rose prism]

I think I did

[frigid iron]

Well its impossible to not have MM if you did, so you probably didnt

Kanto hasnt been in for quite some time now

[swift swan]

[rose prism]

Ah yeah you are right, looked up medals and missing quite a few

[wraith cove]

@frigid iron if possible, please keep those screenshot as posts for #1010274591601598555 so the traffic in here stays organized for questions and troubleshooting thank you!

[frigid iron]

My bad

[timid turtle]

Hello Trainers! This is a reminder from the Staff team that all flex/clear screenshots unrelated to an ongoing discussion should be posted in #1010274591601598555. We appreciate everyone's cooperation with keeping this channel a good environment with a flow for helping people who struggle. Several infractions will result in warnings!

[keen jasper]

Has this been implemented now?

[swift swan]

trinnia jumpscare

[sick oak]

[swift swan]

what, exactly?

[keen jasper]

The screenshot flex here

[spring fable]

are there any recommend params for 2.5k?

[tribal agate]

not yet, but you can use already existing 2k parameters and add things like the 300 points for playing on-type which is pretty much free

also no zone/weather if you don't use those

[keen jasper]

Standard Damage Reduction is free 300 points

[swift swan]

for hall of fame screenshots, I know it's been going on for a while, you need to put it in #1010274591601598555 . but I guess regulations about damage flex have been pretty loose. I acknowledge it can clutter the chat especially when there's an on-going convo though

[grave wyvern]

A good rule to follow is relevance to the topic at hand

[spring fable]

what does standard damage reduction do?

[swift swan]

reduces damage by 80% if it's not super effective

[keen jasper]

Damage mitigation if not super effective

[spring fable]

ah

[sinful garden]

does the no terrain/weather/zone change parameter affect on entry passives (like archie's rain and ssa cynthia's fighting zone)

[spring fable]

encourages fully ontype team then

[tribal agate]

yes

[onyx ice]

It should

[keen jasper]

It does, otherwise the -3 to 5 stats would ignore Downside Up/Impervious

[frigid iron]

Standard 2k + Standard Damage Reduction (300) + Physical/Special Damage Reduction, One of them (100) + No Interference (usually picked in most cases, 50)

So thats around 400-450 for every team

Its not that hard compared to 2k really

[keen jasper]

Was my message deleted?

[swift swan]

yeah, but just remember you don't have to restrict yourself to monotype teams

[keen jasper]

[grave wyvern]

If you select your parameters wisely it doesn't seem too tough, no

[onyx ice]

In some cases even easier

[grave wyvern]

We will have to see how Kalos/Hoenn/Sinnoh go

[swift swan]

I believe it should

[mellow linden]

Not particularly since your Supports' damage output is usually irrelevant, but I guess it does a little bit

[sinful garden]

nah really just the main dps to be ontype

[sinful garden]

yea i just tried it to be sure and it does

[frigid iron]

The ally stats down parameter buffs attackers like SS Hilda, SS Steven, anni Steven and Lysandre

[swift swan]

downside up my beloved

[keen jasper]

Or gets ignored by the likes of Lodge Sycamore or SS Blue

[onyx ice]

No offtype + no terrain + py or spe + interference immunity is 600 points

[frigid iron]

(it sounds better when i list it)

Besides there are only 4 downside up units right

[grave wyvern]

Do you mean base Lysandre? He's the one with Downside Up

[frigid iron]

Oops yep

[swift swan]

today I learned base lysandre has downside up

[onyx ice]

So if you on type without terrain/zone/weather and without mixed attacks it will be even easier

[swift swan]

can you tell I never glanced at lysandre's kit

[frigid iron]

Cant wait to try him

[swift swan]

yup

[grave wyvern]

You would've had to be looking at the 5/5 nodes

[frigid iron]

Him + anni skyla (impervious) + impervious support would be awesome

[swift swan]

pfffft never mind then

[grave wyvern]

[frigid iron]

He's worth the 5/5

Totally no bias

[grave wyvern]

100%

Also not biased

[keen jasper]

The Downside Up is meant for his TM

[frigid iron]

Not limited to his tm

[swift swan]

downside up unit + stat debuffs on entry parameter + debuff stats when an ally faints round parameter = stonks

[frigid iron]

He rocks in LG

[grave wyvern]

Cannot wait to try him on Flying weak

We take those free buffs

[frigid iron]

Same

[onyx ice]

Finally holiday Erika can shine

[frigid iron]

Hm?

[onyx ice]

Pretty good for units that don't need buffs

[frigid iron]

Does she have stuff related to it

[keen jasper]

Do we have a free unit that can reach over 100k damage with 1 EX support sync besides Silver?

[onyx ice]

Her tm is an AOE potion + AOE negative stat reset

[sinful garden]

ok finished this 12.5k run, not much changed tbh

that standard damage parameter is so free

[onyx ice]

You can basically pick half hp and stats -3 almost for free

[keen jasper]

📠

[sinful garden]

the difference will probably be more significant with shit like sinnoh and hoenn

[onyx ice]

As long as the unit isn't self sufficient or entry (unless stuffs like dauntless, headstrong)

[keen jasper]

Imagine using Raihan on Bertha with Special Damage Reduction 8

[nova galleon]

Any team suggestions for MM

[onyx ice]

Holiday erika can work pretty well with stuffs like SS Giovanni, the rats, anni lillie

[tribal agate]

you have a pretty solid roster, where's the issue?

[fiery canopy]

aight soooo agatha round 1 or 4 then, probs not 2 or 3

[tribal agate]

Build around your damage dealers and play on-type if you want to abuse the new parameter (300 points Standard Damage Reduction)

[nova galleon]

I am not able to do proper teams with proper supp and tech

[tribal agate]

while i pick your damage dealers, give a read to this it might help #1010307000346878062 message

it's important you understand the basics

[frosty axle]

You got plenty there to do better than my F2P run

[onyx ice]

Tech and striker damage taken X3 can be free if the opponent can't AOE or you don't run any of those

Not much stages can AOE before the mid goes down

[frosty axle]

Not in Kanto but harder regions do aoe a lot

[tribal agate]

Fire : SS Hilda - Any Support
Grass : Brendan - Any Support - Victor
Water : Archie - May - Skyla
Ice : Ghetsis - Sycamore (tank) - Any
Steel : Pal Marnie - Solgaleo - Sonia

@nova galleon

[frigid iron]

Arent they better off with victor for grass

[tribal agate]

oh i didn't see Victor mb

but you can likely do double damage there

[sinful garden]

i forgot i had the striker one on and lorelei casually one shotted my victor turn one with surf

[tribal agate]

Victor + Brendan + A Support

Victor will nuke with Max Move anyway

[sinful garden]

i was flabbergasted ‼️

[onyx ice]

For those stages isn't advisable unless you are just not running a striker or a tech

[nova galleon]

And for water frog team will be easy or Archie

[frigid iron]

Frogs + archie

Works great

[tribal agate]

oh yeah i also didn't see Serena lol

well see you can teambuild!

got get em

[sinful garden]

idk if you are aware but there is a teambuilding 101 guide you could use in the future

[fiery canopy]

can i send my roster and get sum advice?

[tribal agate]

Fire : SS Hilda - Litteraly anything she will massacre the stage
Grass : Brendan - Skyla (tank) - Victor
Water : Archie - Frogs
Ice : Ghetsis - Sycamore (tank) - Any
Steel : Pal Marnie - Solgaleo - Sonia (tank)

[nova galleon]

And I think I can off type ice and steel with ash and ss Steven with zone

[frigid iron]

Feel free. Filter 5 stars and EX. And use sync pair tracker if possible, its just more compact!

[full mesa]

Is it my idea or is 2.5k per battle way harder than 2k? I have issues on R1 against Agatha.

[tribal agate]

+tracker

[frozen depot]

https://pomasters.github.io/SyncPairsTracker/

For newcomers/beginners, check the video below on how to properly showcase your pairs : https://i.imgur.com/A0XcAgZ.mp4

[tribal agate]

use this please for sending rosters!

[frigid iron]

Offtype will be harder than on type

[swift swan]

you have EX Ghetsis, it should be fine

[tribal agate]

yeah don't off type

there is a new parameter that favors on-type for 300 points

[sinful garden]

500 points can make a huge difference depending on the parameters

[tribal agate]

reduces off type dmg by 80%

[sinful garden]

(thats why im worried about 12.5k sinnoh and hoenn)

[frigid iron]

Not way harder unless you are off typing

If you on type, its more or less same as 2k

[swift swan]

what's your team and parameters?

[frigid iron]

With right parameters

[full mesa]

300 on the on type, 100 on the physical/special damage and 100 more.

[frigid iron]

Then it shouldn't be hard

[full mesa]

Apart from the normal 2k pre sync

[frigid iron]

What team

[full mesa]

I can't.

[nova galleon]

The only thing I want is parameters guide for 12.5k

[swift swan]

100 on both physical and special damage?

[fiery canopy]

Eeeeeee

[full mesa]

Depends on the striker. I choose only one.

[frigid iron]

why is your rosa not ex

[swift swan]

ah okay

[fiery canopy]

aw shit i think i forgot to update it lol

[frigid iron]

Didnt you not make them EX in the display?

[swift swan]

what was the team?

[frigid iron]

Ah okay

[full mesa]

Glacia/BP Candice/Candice or Ghetsis.

[fiery canopy]

gimme a sec

[frigid iron]

Why full ice

[sinful garden]

you dont have to monotype btw

[frigid iron]

Use ghetsis and supports

Ice or not

[swift swan]

hmmmm

just use ghetsis and someone who can set up his nuke

[tribal agate]

use the current 2k parameters in the pins and add Standard Damage Reduction (300 points) and for 200 points you can mix a bit depending on your team comp

[sinful garden]

the standard damage thing is solely for your dps so anyone who doesnt damage can be offtype

[drifting steppe]

Where is the list of the new CS rewards past 10K?

[frigid iron]

Ghetsis + Sabrina + Tank works

[full mesa]

Ok. I'll retry.

[nova galleon]

Thanks for the help

[frigid iron]

10 spirits, 15 tickets

Thats all

[drifting steppe]

Kinda meh ngl

[full mesa]

We actually have to think now...

[frigid iron]

Remove the kinda

[swift swan]

better than 10 BP

[drifting steppe]

And some of those new parameters are killers

[frigid iron]

Its not that hard to 2.5k if you on type

[onyx ice]

15 tickets are still nice

[drifting steppe]

Special Damage 8 down is kind of a killer

[swift swan]

we finally have to think now, God bless

[frigid iron]

Why so

Just pick physical if you are using special damage delaer

[onyx ice]

You take it for physical teams

[sinful garden]

only if you offtype

and even then who is going to force you to take it

[frigid iron]

No

[drifting steppe]

I know lol

[sinful garden]

oh wait i thought you said

[frigid iron]

They are talking special damage

[drifting steppe]

How many points does it yield

[sinful garden]

standard

💤

[frigid iron]

100

[drifting steppe]

If im using Zerena I pick Physical Damage Reduction

[frigid iron]

300 from standard damage reduction. Free points

For on type

[onyx ice]

I guess silver sacred fire build now is more viable

[swift swan]

if anything it's just a hindrance if you're set on running mixed damage dealers

[fiery canopy]

apolocheese here is the correct roster

[swift swan]

screams in SSR Cynthia

[frigid iron]

They nerfed lance again

Not that it matters

[onyx ice]

Lance selling point was always hyper beam

[swift swan]

I ran special damage reduction 8 on my grass team and witness Brendan's leaf storm not do jack shit

[onyx ice]

Just bullet seed

[drifting steppe]

I don't think there are too many damage dealers with one type of damage as a dps and that have a different damage type as their sync

[swift swan]

literally what I did to build up my speed

I had his nuke grid anyway

[drifting steppe]

Is Lance's Sync Physical or Special

[swift swan]

isn't it based on outrage? so physical

[onyx ice]

I mean not that those extra 100 points are mandatory

[drifting steppe]

So thats why he is a physical striker

[frigid iron]

Physical

[drifting steppe]

Hyper Beam is special

[frigid iron]

Both lances have special dps and physical sync

[swift swan]

I have a few I can think of. ssr cynthia, brendan, silver, classic blue

[drifting steppe]

Strange

[onyx ice]

I just ignored those for steel weak and ran Gloria + Raihan

[drifting steppe]

So Physical/Special Striker is based off of sync

[frigid iron]

Wally, lance, ny lance

Surprisingly quite a few

[frigid iron]

Doesnt matter when you lose damage in practice

I'd rather use Hyper beam with Lance even though he is "physical"

[onyx ice]

It is, but the reduction is based on the move used

If you pick special reduction it will reduce lance's hyper beam even if lance is classified as physical

Didn't tried the interaction with stuffs like psystrike

I guess it gets reduced still by special damage reduction even if it does physical damage

And i think psystrike is still affected by smun and not pmun (but i didn't tried)

[drifting steppe]

I know that lol

Physical is the Red Spiky, Special is the Blue Circle

Choose the opposite parameter opposite of what you use

[onyx ice]

Basically, however some teams may want to run mixed

For silver i don't know if 100 extra points is worth for using sacred fire instead of overheat

[drifting steppe]

Does Brendan want to be run using Leaf Storm or Bullet Seed?

[dark osprey]

Leaf storm for DPS but his sync is physical is what the issue was

[onyx ice]

He wants to use leaf storm, but if you want to sync with him and pick those 100 extra points you will need to rely on bullet seed

[formal vigil]

just don't pick those paramas

[onyx ice]

Otherwise is just better to not sync with him and pick the physical reduction, or pick something else

[manic kiln]

just pick another str para

[onyx ice]

Not worth losing leaf storm for 100 points

There can be an argument for silver's sacred fire over overheat

But bullet seed sucks

(unless they give Brendan no quarter on his possible expansion)

Leaf storm is still better, but at least no quarter bullet seed will be usable

[manic kiln]

i think i only use bullet seed 1 time in a LG run

[onyx ice]

Bullet seed is pretty bad

Unless you plan to one shot with 6ex sync

[dark osprey]

So is the special move reduction worse than wise entry or so?

[onyx ice]

Is much worse than wise entry

Wise entry x2 is half damage, the parameter is only 20%

I mean is an 80% reduction

It's basically wise entry x5

[weak sleet]

Do we have a recommendation for 2.5k?

[dark osprey]

Always get confused with the x2 since it's kinda like 100% increase of stats

[onyx ice]

+100% is x2

[frozen minnow]

Is there a easiest order to fight the champions this round? I remember last round people said not to fight champ x on round 2/4 etc anything like that this time?

[weak sleet]

Much like the old guide pinned in here for 2k

[onyx ice]

The new parameters is like wise entry x5 or +400% spdef/def

But isn't really like wise entry

Psystrike is affected by sentry entry x2 but by special damage -8

[dark osprey]

The pinned rounds mention the ones to avoid on round 2 and 3

[frozen minnow]

Thanks so no Agatha 2 and no Lorelei 3 thanks 🙂 sorry just getting back into the game and used to the discord

[full mesa]

Let Giovanni do his thing.

[onyx ice]

If yo run on type and not mixed you can add standard damage reduction 8 and either physical or special reduction 8 for 400 points, the if you don't use zone/weather/terrain is another 150 points, otherwise you can try stuffs like no interference (+50)

[full mesa]

Gl mate

[dark osprey]

If on type pre sync, can take the 2k parameters plus 300 std damage reduction, 100 special/physical attack reduction, 50 tech/striker damage*3, 50 interference immunity generally

[frozen minnow]

I did my first 10k last week but I got some bad strikers for this round weak in ice/grass/steel

[full mesa]

Or just poison stall all 5 stages.

How do Zeus' Rods work out on this new format?

Can they off type just as easily as before?

[onyx ice]

For presync the striker tech X3 are kinda free if you can one shot sides

[full mesa]

What if mid or sides have aoe before mid sync or mid fall?

Bye bye striker.

[weak sleet]

Thanks I'll give those a try.

I worry about ice and steel types this week, but I could off type with rats and champion Marnie.

Fire is easy with ss Morty and Victini, grass has Celebi, and water has frogs.

[full mesa]

Ice has Ghetsis. Steel is the only issue.

[dark osprey]

Yeah. Slightly less convenient but still decent

Steel solgaleo is good enough

[spring fable]

Help

r4 lance 2.5k

[fiery canopy]

what r some good ice units against agatha?

[weak sleet]

Oh yeah I always forget about him. I have 1/5 Gloria and 4/5 Steven so I'll probably try those.

What goes good with ghetsis for Agatha?

[dark osprey]

Is that solgaleo?

[fiery canopy]

ohh ghetsis
ya umm What sorta supports r good for him?

[bronze onyx]

Run another striker over one of the supports

Solgaleo doesn't need dual support

[boreal rose]

So umm. Abt parameters

[spring fable]

yea!

[boreal rose]

What are the new presync parameters?

[dark osprey]

Are you able to clear the center pre sync?

[spring fable]

nope

i am not

[bronze onyx]

Solgaleo's damage is bad, so you want to run another damage source

[dark osprey]

Ex supports there?

[bronze onyx]

Both Ingo and Blue are EX

[spring fable]

these are my pairs with steel dmg

yes both ingo and blue are EX

[bronze onyx]

You can run Gloria or Grimsley over one of the supports

[dark osprey]

With an EX support, solgaleo gridded should clear

[spring fable]

he is gridded

[spring fable]

do i replace blue?

[bronze onyx]

Either one

Blue tanks better, Ingo gives crit more reliably

[grand trout]

Do the extra tickets help us gain 5* pus significantly faster?

[dark osprey]

Significantly may not be the right word

[grand trout]

How many do we get in additional anyway

[spring fable]

First try after swapping Gloria in

thanks ropalme!

[bronze onyx]

Np

[spring fable]

didnt expect gloria to do so much tbh

[nocturne pawn]

i dislike ice weak when it shows up

[swift swan]

15 extra and 10

[nocturne pawn]

agatha gets the ss steven seal of fuck you

[swift swan]

ghetsis gets cucked again huh

[spring fable]

Yay first 12.5k

[swift swan]

[spring fable]

Silver slaughtered them all first sync

[nocturne pawn]

idk im just not good at using him apparently

glaciate doesnt do enough on mid or to ko sides

[spring fable]

i struggled most with lorelei

[nocturne pawn]

lorelei was easy

12k on solar blade with seun

also the -3 stats parameter is annoying dont choose it

[spring fable]

followed by lance but maybe cause my comp didnt have dmg initilly

[nocturne pawn]

ironically enough the one i had the most trouble with was bruno cuz i wanted to use red

and the sides have rock smash

[swift swan]

run his nuke grid

with tech EX it should be good

[nocturne pawn]

i dont have his ex

:’)

[swift swan]

rip

[nocturne pawn]

wasnt playing during unoVA

so his gauge sucks too

and on -2 gauge param its painful

[subtle forge]

That does suck

[spring fable]

i picked 2k presync, interference, striker/tech x3 dmg taken, physical/special reduc 8 and standard dmg reduc
then swapped striker/tech x3 dmg taken and physical/special reduc 8 accordingly to opposite of my DD

[nocturne pawn]

support 3x damage is like

why on earth would you choose that

unless you’re running like a duo comp

only 100 points isnt worth it at all

[subtle forge]

Because 0 supports, only strikers and techs

[swift swan]

me with my grass teams

[manic kiln]

3 techs grass team

[nocturne pawn]

how are you getting gauge for brendan then

[onyx ice]

You shouldn't use those parameters on those stages

[nocturne pawn]

if you can’t guarantee sync will ohko sides dont take those parameters

[onyx ice]

I'm saying it's free if you know that the stage can't AOE before the mid goes down, and you can one shot the sides before they can attack

[weak sleet]

Can I have some help? This isn't working

Round 3

2.5 k

[nocturne pawn]

mmm

do you have molayne perhaps

[onyx ice]

They don't need to be one shot by 6ex sync as long as your DPS can one shot them

[weak sleet]

Yeah

Dugtrio with hair guy?

[nocturne pawn]

hes pretty good for dps with grid and probably is better than gloria for dps

[weak sleet]

Do we have an example of a grid for him?

[swift swan]

#1011173305702690876 message well with my usual grass team, gauge is very comforable

ss lyra gets free gauges, ss erika and brendan are fast enough to dual strike

and I just clicked bullet seed on brendan to ramp up speed with less gauge cost, since I took special reduction 8 anyway

[weak sleet]

Help with this one? This is round 4.

[dark osprey]

Gloria is probably better than Molayne for DPS. Wikstrom may be comparable or better

[nocturne pawn]

i dont have ss lyra :dies:

[nocturne pawn]

1/5?

[weak sleet]

Yeah I forgot to switch it to not lower the damage for physical when I did steel....whoopsie. Changing that and adding Blastoise cleared it without issue.

[dark osprey]

Yeah. Gloria had no multipliers until the recent grid upgrade but still better than Molayne

[weak sleet]

I'm stuck on ice though

[dark osprey]

Do you have Lucian?

[keen jasper]

Candice and Ghetsis?

[dark osprey]

Or yeah that

[weak sleet]

Yes to both those options

[keen jasper]

Or Hala?

[weak sleet]

Also yes

[old orchid]

Replace Sonia with Sycamore, the third slot can be anyone can help Ghetsis debuffing attack/speed

Caster suggested Lucian which is really good

[weak sleet]

What would Lucian do though?

His giraffe doesn't seem that breathtaking

[manic kiln]

[swift swan]

you want a special support instead

[old orchid]

Debuff attack and spdef

[manic kiln]

lucian is one of the best debuffer in the game

also speed buff

[old orchid]

Yah

[manic kiln]

even at 1/5

[weak sleet]

Oh

[swift swan]

Ideally the third can help Ghetsis debuff speed for his innate cakewalk

[old orchid]

The support can be anyone buffing spatk

[weak sleet]

Growl

So like sycamore, Lucian, and ghetsis?

[old orchid]

[weak sleet]

Oh shoot

One of the parameters I have set doesn't lower stats. What should I switch?

So growl does nothing 😬

[kindred phoenix]

Anyone have a chart for 2.5k master mode points?

[dark osprey]

If on type pre sync, can take the 2k parameters plus 300 std damage reduction, 100 special/physical attack reduction, 50 tech/striker damage*3, 50 interference immunity generally

[nova galleon]

I used this para when no zone setter is there

[dark osprey]

Ah yes. Without zone it's actually easier than 2K

[nova galleon]

With zone pick atk up , def up and no status for 150 pts

[nocturne pawn]

oh my god its so cutee

[keen jasper]

Goddamn, Silver is pretty fucking insane, he did 174k damage without even having full Inertia multipliers

Ok, I'll stop this now

[full mesa]

12.5k. They made CS harder without changing much. Nice.

[lavish ivy]

These should be pinned imo 👍🏽👍🏽

[signal plover]

are the damage reduction 8 parameters passives?

as in, can i bypass them with a piercing blows units?

[full mesa]

Would you like to try it?

[signal plover]

i wanna know if i can bypass it with piercing blows

[keen jasper]

You mean Standard Damage Reduction 8?

[signal plover]

there are 3

physical special and standard

[full mesa]

Can SSTRed bypass them? That's the big question.

[signal plover]

he's a piercing blows unit with b volt tackle

i'm asking if piercing blows ignores those parameters

[keen jasper]

It doesn't

Red did 1.7-1.8k damage with no parameters, with the Physical Damage Reduction, it got reduced down to 350-360

[full mesa]

Ffffffff

There goes my free win...

[keen jasper]

[full mesa]

At least. Now I can use only one rodent per week.

Unless...

[keen jasper]

You're not gonna use Standard Damage Reduction?

[full mesa]

Yes

Ash and SSTRed can do a lot. I don't think 300 points will stop them.

[swift swan]

Just add some HP

Helpers have been discussing what sort of parameters to take if you're offtyping

[bleak vine]

So I'm trying to do post sync for Lance, but I gotta off type because my steel units aren't doing enough, how should I do the extra 500 points?

[swift swan]

Lord knows new players can't ontype all weaknesses

[bleak vine]

Oh you basically just answered inadvertently, thanks

[swift swan]

I think if you're willing to play the long game, try taking some HP

Stacking strength and HP aren't usually recommended but welp

[keen jasper]

You can do all the remaining types you didn't do next week

[swift swan]

Also take the strike/tech pairs do more damage and physical/special reduction 8

[zinc island]

Ok so i was not expecting the new champion stadium to be that hard

[swift swan]

The problem comes from the 300 points coming from standard dmg reduction 8 param

[swift swan]

It just depends on the parameters you pick

[keen jasper]

I mean, this is only the tip of the iceberg. They gave us this CS to familiarize ourselves with the new parameters

[swift swan]

Waiting for 12.5k sinnoh so I can scream and cry!

[onyx ice]

I felt 2.5k being easier than past 2k for the most part

[manic kiln]

i kinda like that this update force people to learn how to build team and adjusting the parameters to fit their roster, can't just copy eveything everytime like before

[keen jasper]

I 16k Kalos CS once

[manic kiln]

[subtle forge]

It’ll still happen

[rotund lagoon]

Tbh, I kinda feel like that’s the point? Idk

[keen jasper]

Is that why they made 4* lodge and BP units have EX?

[swift swan]

This update encourages people to customize their own params more than it used to

[manic kiln]

yess

[zinc island]

I used to just increase damage and level now i need to think?

[rotund lagoon]

I mean, Lodge/BP EX is the best thing to happen even if there’s no EX Styles

[manic kiln]

slowly exing my support lodge and bp pairs for some future runs

[swift swan]

Inb4 something like "why am I not doing enough damage with Sidney's nuke"
"Did you take interference immunity"
"Oh..."

[onyx ice]

For 2k i had to take strength +3 most of the times, now for 2.5k i don't have to for most teams

[swift swan]

People were already asking why their damage dealer doesn't do jack shit when there's x2 entry. It's easy to mix up physical and special damage reduction 8 if you're only blindly copying recommended params

[swift swan]

Thinking is cringe

[paper summit]

bold of you to assume people don't just expect to be handheld all the time, they'll continue with that same mindset

[swift swan]

[manic kiln]

i mean after doing 7k5 and 10k for awhile, even if you copy team you should at least know the basics

[paper summit]

just look at this thread's entire history since reset today

[manic kiln]

[swift swan]

oh you'd be surprised

The shit we see sometimes

[manic kiln]

the most curse thing is when someone stack str and hp together

[swift swan]

Recommended params will take a while not only because there's no "one size fits all" (never has been), but also because we need to do a lot of testing

[rotund lagoon]

[swift swan]

Kinda inevitable if you're offtyping 2.5k I think? Especially if you're postsyncing

Hell I'm starting to feel like offtype presync is safer

[paper summit]

tbf some teams can handle those just fine, but yeah, it's not the good general strat

[manic kiln]

for veterans sure

[swift swan]

Can't ontype? Offtype if you can manage with a good nuker. Can't offtype? Sorry just status stall it

[paper summit]

stall

[manic kiln]

this is just kanto tho so it's not too bad, sinnoh again in 2 months if my prediction is right imagine the chaos

[swift swan]

Stall allows you to take all 3 damage reductions!

[swift swan]

Hopefully recommended params are done by then

[manic kiln]

also i should try stalling again with the new hp option

[swift swan]

Oh yeah, this allows easier stalling too

[blazing narwhal]

Anyone recommend me params for 12k?

[swift swan]

Generally, take the 2k params on pins right now and add some of these as needed:

• Interference immunity (make sure your run doesn't rely on flinch, or your dmg dealer doesn't have multipliers based on it)
• Strike/tech sync pairs take x3 damage
• Standard damage reduction (if you're ontyping, take this off if you're offtyping)
• Physical/special damage reduction (generally try to stick with either physical OR special damage so you can take one of the two for free)
• Can't change zone/weather/terrain (if you have no use for it, or don't need them to clear)

It's hard to recommend params now more than ever, since everything is team-reliant

[blazing narwhal]

Alr

[paper summit]

tbf some of the old params are also team reliant, so these new ones really don't change that thought process

[blazing narwhal]

Looks like the only parameter u should bring every time is damage reduction at least

So that pic in datamine where everyone was weak to grass is that something else?

[paper summit]

2.5k will not have a fixed param list using the new additions because they won't just work with any team, so, whatever we pin will be only a general guideline

[swift swan]

standard damage reduction, free points as long as you're ontyping

[zealous karma]

Sometimes players can’t on type so e

[signal plover]

80% damage reduction at all times is free points?

uhh ok

[paper summit]

it's the edge case tbf

[swift swan]

Our old pins are also just a guideline and I always try to stress that but unfortunately we'll always have people who take it at face value and follow it religiously

[signal plover]

i have to change parameters every round now instead of just using the same parameters all 5 rounds

so thats something

[paper summit]

no, it's free only if you are always clearing on type

[signal plover]

still not that bad

[swift swan]

80% damage reduction unless you're super effective

[signal plover]

ohhh standard damage reduction only applies to offtype damage?

[swift swan]

Yup

[signal plover]

ok yeah

then that is free

[swift swan]

It took me a while before I became comfortable ontyping Ground so yeah, definitely

[paper summit]

yes, that's why they'll add the ability to save param presets next update

[swift swan]

I'd always recommend offtyping over trying to make Hapu or Clay work but now?

[paper summit]

so that'll make it easier to swap between battles

[zealous karma]

There’s also bug which took me a while lel

[swift swan]

Someday I'll force myself to use Noland

Someday

[zealous karma]

Use Noland and bugsy together

[manic kiln]

clay is great, hapu is... hapu

[zealous karma]

Very consistent for me even without supp Ex

[manic kiln]

at least we have bertha and courtney in gen pool now

[zealous karma]

Well Bertha only has a nuke so if she’s a lower move level she won’t provide the most

[swift swan]

With how much RNG can screw you over you might as well get your 10th Aaron before your first Bertha

[zealous karma]

But it’s better than nothing lel

[zealous karma]

I have my 10th Aaron before my 2nd darach

[manic kiln]

still better than that non-existence fairy gen pool

[zealous karma]

At least we have sycamore and mina

[manic kiln]

need another 5* in gen pool

[zealous karma]

Is it onlu Lillie?

[manic kiln]

yeah

lodge lillie is good tho

[manic mica]

Pain needs to wait for next week to complete 3 more medals , 15 done

[onyx ice]

Lodge Lillie sync is nice but her fairy DPS is kinda bad

She's a better grass DPS than fairy

Sycamore is a pretty solid fairy dps

[paper summit]

in that case you can use them together

basically the same strat as putting Mina with him

[dark osprey]

Mina just got a bit of both

She nice

So with the new parameters, double striker teams back

?

[paper summit]

they never left?

I use double tech or double striker all the time

[boreal rose]

What are the new pre sync parameters?

[zealous karma]

They’re working on it

[boreal rose]

Ok

[paper summit]

in the meantime, get creative on your own, it isn't that hard, worst thing that can happen is you have to reset a battle here and there...

the current 2k is a good baseline, just add/remove to fit the 2.5k

[boreal rose]

Its easier said than done

[cobalt vortex]

So we have the new recommended buff table for 2500?

[paper summit]

read above

[cobalt vortex]

I didn’t see anything in the pins

[paper summit]

we'll come up with something soon

[cobalt vortex]

Alright

[tribal agate]

in the meantime use the current pinned 2k presets

and then you can add 300 for Standard Damage Reduction which is free if you play on type

and the other 200 with variant points like if you use strikers or not, if you use physical or special

[boreal rose]

Problem is

[tribal agate]

it's not too hard to figure out the remaining points they're just situational

[boreal rose]

I cant do Agatha

On type

[cobalt vortex]

But I like when you guys figure out, because you guys are so smart

[tribal agate]

we'll come up with something soon but the issue is there's variance now more than ever based on team comps

[cobalt vortex]

Yeah, I noticed that we have some unique buffs that depends on what team are you using

[boreal rose]

Is it possible it'l be before Sunday?

[frosty axle]

Yes its very team dependant

[tribal agate]

i can give you my 2k5 preset but

again it's super variable

i changed it for half the fights

[rotund lagoon]

I’m hoping it’s not delayed for that long, but we’ll see.

[frosty axle]

Take the white parameters and add grey ones you think are appropriate

[rotund lagoon]

I feel like people reading this will get confused tbh

[frosty axle]

reading is hard for some people

[tribal agate]

https://i.imgur.com/CKq6yma.mp4
here's mine, to swap Phy/Spe dmg reduction as needed and remove Max HP 2 or Power On Hit 1 in favor of No Zone/Terrain if you don't use them
these are on-type parameters for pre-sync

[onyx ice]

Regular grimsley got a bit of a buff with the new parameters

He has pretty good base speed, and can easily snatch everything +6

[frosty axle]

Even Hoopa can benefit

[onyx ice]

But hoopa was already busted

[frosty axle]

doesn't matter still free points 😎

[onyx ice]

Liepard is quite useless, at least now if you have a free slot he can give you free points + a bit of gauge support

However is free points only if you can already debuff, otherwise stats +3 just covers no stat reduction

[frosty axle]

Like I personally would use that parameter on my stall team with Ariados

as it will be debuffed anyway

[onyx ice]

I don't think that you need to pick that to reach 2.5k

[frosty axle]

nope, but still an option I guess

[onyx ice]

But you can already reach 2.5k for basically free

With stats +3 you will still get increased damage for like 6 turns

[mellow linden]

If you’re on-typing the jump from 2k to 2.5k isn’t all that complicated, you just use your usual 2k parameters, add Standard Damage Reduction + either Physical or Special Damage Reduction + whatever other parameter(s) you want to add to get the last 100

[onyx ice]

In some cases 2.5k is even easier

[frosty axle]

yes imagine if they didn't add new parameters

[onyx ice]

That would have been harsh

[frosty axle]

I don't think F2P would have gone well for me

[onyx ice]

2.5k with only old parameters is quite harsh for f2p teams

[lavish ivy]

Does archie’s rain passive still go in effect even with the can’t change weather param?

[onyx ice]

No it doesn't

[lavish ivy]

Oof

[frosty axle]

when it says user does that mean only us or opponents too for weather?

[onyx ice]

Opponents can still set stuffs

[fiery canopy]

if im fighting agatha with ghetsis, who do yall think would go well w him?

[onyx ice]

Parameters (for the most part) are meant to be an hinderance

[frosty axle]

was wondering cause usually it says allies

[keen jasper]

Pryce mainly

Assuming you have a speed buffer

[lavish ivy]

Dojo gloria and champ serena were godlike with no rain

[keen jasper]

Cerena can deal over 300k damage

[zealous karma]

[frosty axle]

Special damage reduction 8?

[fiery canopy]

what speed buffers r ideal?

[keen jasper]

Skyla, or mainly someone who can buff offensive stats too

[fiery canopy]

should i send my roster?

[boreal rose]

Hold on

When your teammate dies

The enemy syncs a turn later?

[zealous karma]

If they die to hail poison sand or recoil they wait until that unit is dead because they don’t know who to target

[boreal rose]

Agatha 2,500 is impossible

You cannot change mh mjnd

[frosty axle]

impossible only for you haha

[zealous karma]

Just use candice and Ghetsus it worked for me lel

[blazing narwhal]

I’m sure ghetsis can win

[frosty axle]

Abomasnow is literally enough

[civic trellis]

I used ghetsis sycamore and hop

[zinc island]

Huh ok after i got more familiarized with the new parameters the CS didn't give me much trouble.

[main crow]

Ghetsis actually freezing them claps

[civic trellis]

Are u using them somewhere else?

[keen jasper]

Do you have the "Striker Takes 3x More Damage" parameter?

Actually NVM

[boreal rose]

No

Werent we supposed to be able to save parameters?

[main crow]

Not yet

It's next month I believe?

[boreal rose]

I hope whoever made 12500 CS is gonna have the worst sleep of his life everyday

[junior crown]

I made 12500 and some fights were hard even playing a long time and having multiples fairs (master/seasonals/etc) pairs

But it's the same as 7.5k to 10k only little more rewards

[main crow]

I think Ghetsis as sole dps works fine hell

[junior crown]

after 7.5k the idea is to make people push further

[main crow]

Slap a special support instead of candice and boom

[boreal rose]

Oohhh

Well to hell with this week ig

[keen jasper]

Would you rather have half sync this week?

[boreal rose]

Wdym

[civic trellis]

Sync countdown is halved

So the opponents only have a CD of 2 not 4

[boreal rose]

Hmm

Well. Ig. Maybe

[main crow]

Half sync my behated

[keen jasper]

Are you one of those rare specimens that likes half sync CD?

[boreal rose]

Idk

But ik damn well i cant beat Agatha on r1 cuz of the god damn poison

Well. Thats one reason

[keen jasper]

Unluckiness

[trail cypress]

is 12.5k up now?

[main crow]

Ghetsis should have a decent chance to freeze them

[cobalt vortex]

Y

[boreal rose]

Sadly

[trail cypress]

how are the rewards

[mellow linden]

You can just reset until she doesn’t inflict Poison, afaik no Hostile Environment and Sludge Bomb is 60% max (30% if you’re not on the increased secondary effect chance round)

[boreal rose]

The fact that Agatha benefits from both makes me angy

[mellow linden]

She can only benefit from the 1st if she actually inflicts the status

[keen jasper]

[mellow linden]

Which again, 30% chance on Sludge Bomb unless round 2

[boreal rose]

And 2nd helps her i flict statys

[keen jasper]

Also, SPLgum intensifies

[boreal rose]

Oh well. I'l try to offtype it

[meager agate]

ight lay it on me chat what’s the new parameter meta

[mellow linden]

If you’re on-typing you basically take your usual 2k parameters and add Standard Damage Reduction + Physical or Special Damage Reduction + whatever parameter(s) you need to get the last 100 points

[white gale]

Lol. I clicked on phy dam reduction instead of sp dam reduction and couldn't believe that ss morty ss Hilda silver (sacred fire buold) couldn't beat 2.5 k fire weak. Don't make the same mistake!

[meager agate]

fair enough i guess

[minor mauve]

So does srandard damage reduction reduce damage for that move only or permanent

[mellow linden]

All non-supereffective damage is reduced

[minor mauve]

Please say that move only

Thanks

[meager agate]

i was admittedly left wondering if these parameters make higher-point stall strats easier

but stall’s still (kinda) stuck in the 7.5k days

[keen jasper]

Max HP +8 is meant for fully setting up your nuke without the worry of killing mid

[boreal rose]

I seriously hate this game

[meager agate]

…only to discover one of the sides got Rock Slide LOL

[boreal rose]

And whoever cane uo with 12500

[main crow]

Just use Ghetsis

[keen jasper]

Hala, Ghetsis and Candice?

[main crow]

She's bulky annoying but like most obtainable ice pairs can clap Agatha fine

[boreal rose]

If he worked i would use him

[keen jasper]

I used him on my F2P clear

[main crow]

Then build supportive units around him

[meager agate]

tai has a wulfric clear on record already LMFAO https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1028549352463024138/1092404905240707112/20230403_180557.jpg

[long thicket]

Any recommandation to build points from 2k post-sync?

[main crow]

YOOOO BASED

[boreal rose]

Im not you

And be died

[mellow linden]

If you’re on-typing then you can add Standard Damage Reduction + either Physical or Special Damage Reduction + extra parameters of your choice to get the final 100 points

[meager agate]

we in the kalos inner circle really gotta fight to survive in some places still

lol

[long thicket]

Which points are these?

And yeah, on type for striker and tech, usually.

[keen jasper]

Standard Damage Reduction 8 is 300, Physical/Special Damage Reduction 8 is 100 and 100 more pts.

[long thicket]

To stop at 2300 per fight?

[boreal rose]

Finally. I used EX Leaf

[mellow linden]

No, you also pick a damage category one (or improvise if you have a damage-dealer in each category) and pick a parameter (or multiple parameters) that’ll get you the last 100 points for 2500

[long thicket]

Oh right, it's 2500...

Gosh...

[mellow linden]

If you’re on-typing and only using 1 damage category on your damage-dealer(s) it’s basically free

[long thicket]

Alright, let's try Grass...

[boreal rose]

Lmao. Lorelei one shot SSEriks

[mellow linden]

What parameters are you using? It sounds like you have super amped-up offensive ones

[boreal rose]

I. Accidentally. Cleared. My freaking. Parameters

Also i had Tech get hit x3 and forgot abt it lmao

[mellow linden]

That would in fact do it

[full mesa]

I try not to run both tech and strikers together if I'm to get X3 damage.

[long thicket]

Wow, this makes it very hard.

[full mesa]

Not really. Double support.

[long thicket]

At least for a first try.

[boreal rose]

Its different when tou have memory similiar to a gold fish

[snow shore]

Howdy guys, just went on a quick reddit post to share some thoughts and tips about the new params and 12.5k Points cap
https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonMasters/comments/12auqzw/new_cs_master_mode_parameters_for_125k_points_my/

||TL;DR: On-Type is broken ||

[mellow linden]

I think 1st attempt difficulty will vary based on the teams you used for 2k

[boreal rose]

Anyway. She 2 shots SSErika and GTLoria

[full mesa]

Thank you spark

[long thicket]

Victor, Sygna Lyra and an EX support.

[civic trellis]

I ran a tech support strike team for lance and bruno and still used the x3 params

[boreal rose]

Doubt abt the TL;DR

[boreal rose]

I use same teams i would use for 2k

[daring osprey]

I despise Agatha

[boreal rose]

Same

I ha dto off type her

Using 2 of my EX supports

[daring osprey]

I am gonna offtype her with the rats. she deserves to suffer

[snow shore]

I hope this is ironic

[boreal rose]

It is not

[snow shore]

Oh well, not gonna try to convince you but you can read the post for some extra tips

[boreal rose]

B tunderbolt did 2k to Lorelei

[void wyvern]

If you accidentally clear your parameters, just press back and go back onto the stage and they’ll be reselected

[mellow linden]

1. Did you have Special Damage Reduction 8, Standard Damage Reduction 8, crit shield, or any of the Defense/Sp. Def. ^ parameters turned on?

2. Did you use B Thunderbolt with a full move gauge?

3. Was Ash at max Sp. Atk./crit?

4. Was Electric Terrain active?

[boreal rose]

At the tine. Only thing i would say yes to

Is spd def/def

I changed it

[frosty axle]

what parameters were you using? cause that's probably why you were failing as I used Hop, Ghetsis and Candice fine

[boreal rose]

It did 4k

[boreal rose]

Idk

Random

[mellow linden]

I’m inclined to say there’s parameter issues if you’re struggling this much with Ash of all Sync Pairs

[snow shore]

No wonder about the comment above if you're just picking random params

[boreal rose]

Well they are fucked up rn so yeah

[frosty axle]

you should think about the parameters you use

[boreal rose]

Well what else am i supposed to use?

[boreal rose]

I do

[snow shore]

A single 100 Pts wrong param can turn your team into struggling hard while it's supposed to be easy clear

[frosty axle]

random says otherwise

[boreal rose]

Random is used cuz every single new parameter is stypid ag

No

[snow shore]

Just not random things, pick things that make sense. Redirecting to my post from earlier for more recommendations

[boreal rose]

Random to me is "every one of those is bad so i will choose the ones i ,,benefit" from"

[boreal rose]

None do

[snow shore]

Sounds more like salt than looking for help, good luck

[void wyvern]

You should give the post a read if it feels random then. It can help make sense of the new params rather than running into a wall.

[mellow linden]

Standard Damage Reduction and Physical or Special Damage Reduction can literally give you a free 400 points if you on-type and your damage-dealer(s) uses only physical or only special moves

[frosty axle]

New parameters are easy to understand if you know team building

[boreal rose]

Ik nothng abt the game even tho i play for like idk

[meager agate]

the param for zone/weather/terrain is def a free 150 if you have a team that doesn’t benefit from them

[boreal rose]

Since 1st Anni Lillie banner?

[mellow linden]

Special Damage Reduction 8

[void wyvern]

You have special damage reduction on that’s why your b thunder bolt did nothing

[boreal rose]

What of it

Its turned off

[frosty axle]

strange parameter selection there Apple

[boreal rose]

What else am i supposed to choose

[mellow linden]

That’s why Ash is doing so little, his damage is being reduced by 80%

[boreal rose]

Those make sens eto me

[boreal rose]

No?

[frosty axle]

do the ones in the pin

[mellow linden]

It is clearly on in your screenshots

[boreal rose]

No?

Its not selected lmao

[main crow]

Not that

[mellow linden]

What is this then

[mellow linden]

That’s Standard damage reduction

[boreal rose]

Oohh

Forgot abt rhat

[void wyvern]

Reading moment

[frosty axle]

Yes that haha

[boreal rose]

I hate those new parameters

Hope they dissapear

[main crow]

Why they make MM easier imo

[boreal rose]

To hell with ,,harder content"

[frosty axle]

you want to swap with Physical

[snow shore]

LMAO

[meager agate]

i think the only really stupid one is the x3 damage ones

if you’re taking those outside of immensely, absurdly niche situations, you’re the stupid one lmao

[mellow linden]

If you properly use them they can literally give you a free 400 points

[frosty axle]

Yes I love the new parameters

[snow shore]

Imagine reducing your dmg by 80% for 100 points

[main crow]

Picking a x3 against support

[snow shore]

"I picked stuff that benefit me"

[main crow]

Unless you're one of those tech tank people

[meager agate]

those params have been tested to apply to sync moves right

[frosty axle]

can be good on a tech team ye

[meager agate]

sync moves also do the x3?

[mellow linden]

1. Use on-type physical damage-dealer.

2. Pick Standard Damage Reduction 8 and Special Damage Reduction 8.

3. ???

4. Enjoy your free 400 points.

Swap “physical” with “special” where appropriate

[frosty axle]

Like sometimes I tank with Viola

[meager agate]

if sync moves also do the x3 then yeah you’re just stupid

if not maybe you can get away with the x3 against strikes if you play your cards right

[frosty axle]

does all damage forms

[meager agate]

figured

[boreal rose]

No

[mellow linden]

See above

[frosty axle]

I think

[boreal rose]

Ah yes

3

[meager agate]

3

[mellow linden]

3 is there to reference a meme

It can be converted to a 3-step plan for a more serious rendition

[boreal rose]

[meager agate]

for me, that joke only lands if the next step just says “profit”

[mellow linden]

Fair enough

[boreal rose]

You know damn well i am an idiot

[rotund lagoon]

Stonks

[meager agate]

1. start the game
2. pick sst red
3. ???
4. profit

[boreal rose]

Also.

[rotund lagoon]

5. Stonks

[mellow linden]

This is the meme format I was referencing

[boreal rose]

You cant start the gane with sstred

[meager agate]

just get him 5head

[mellow linden]

It’s a meme

[boreal rose]

What meme

I have no support thst could help me

[mellow linden]

Do you not know the meme where it’s a 4-step plan, step 3 is “???”, and step 4 is “Profit”?

[boreal rose]

Do you know of the 2137 meme?

[frosty axle]

Do you know the 69 meme

[boreal rose]

It'd be surprising to not know that one

[frank shuttle]

Sooo did they change parameters?

[boreal rose]

Nit change

But add

[rotund lagoon]

Updated.

[mellow linden]

They added some new ones

[frosty axle]

no they added more

[mellow linden]

Assuming you’re asking about in-game and not the examples in pins

[frank shuttle]

Yeah it threw me off big time 😂

[boreal rose]

Lol

I've done it

Using Base Gloria for Steel was nice ngl

Even if Steven is probably better

[noble plaza]

so these are the grass sync pairs I have, which ones should I use for DPS?

I've heard SS Lyra mentioned a lot but I do not have her

[dim depot]

Man, they are not messing around with the new params. And it's too bad because there's an extra 15 tickets for doing it all

[paper summit]

Huh? 2.5k in Kanto is fairly easy

At this point it's a matter of choosing your parameters correctly, and anyone tackling that amount of points should be able to do it on their own by now...

[frosty axle]

if one does 10k already then 12.5k is fine

[zealous karma]

Gloria at 5/5 is like miles better than Steven lel

[void wyvern]

Poor Steven.,.his grid update was kinda sad

[mellow linden]

The bright side is that you don't have to make many changes from a normal 3/5 grid to get Tough Sync

[dim depot]

I just don't think it'd be worth the stress going for so many points. I want to win with lesser-used, weaker units and it doesn't seem like I'd have much room to mess around with the new parameters. Strength +8 seems handy though.

[long thicket]

So I'm back at hesitating to adventure on this mode...

[calm grove]

is there anyway to get all 18 pieces in one weak or no

[paper summit]

No

Sync move type is what counts for this, and you only have room for 15

[calm grove]

oh damn thats annoying

[bleak vine]

Managed to off type Lance with C.Hop/SC Guzma/Hop after like two-three tries due to crit rng

The new parameters are nice for wiggle room / free points

[civic trellis]

What params would be good for off type? I used the 3rd set of params for blue, the physical params for lorelei, and special params for the other 3

[wary obsidian]

Is the reward for 12.5k worth it? I've been doing 10k before the update

[tired sleet]

If you can do 12.5k without struggling there’s no reason not to

The new params make it easier than you might think

[civic trellis]

Its 15 and 10 more so if thats worth it for u then yes

Difficulty is about the same imo

[wary obsidian]

Oh that's nice to hear. I thought it would be a big jump

[civic trellis]

Ye the new params r pretty free, like on type + phys/special depending which u do is already 400 points

[junior crown]

after 7.5k the new rewards are not that impressive, it's just to make people try to push further

Also, I did it without reading the new parameter and didn't use the standard damage reduction, that was fun

[civic trellis]

I just like that u can finally have 100+ instead of 90

Also getting the skill spheres helps passively max it out for everyone as well as exchanging for them in events

[junior crown]

skill sphere?

[grand steppe]

Theme Skills

[junior crown]

oh

[grand steppe]

But those aren't new.

[junior crown]

I'd like more of those instead of champ spirits

the new rewards after 7.5k dont give more skill sphere

[civic trellis]

Ye only the tickets and spirits r new but I think u get spheres past 7.5k

[junior crown]

no the last is at 7k

[civic trellis]

The new rewards r 10.5-12.5k

Oh

[junior crown]

it's because this is the second time they increase the rewards

the original one was 7.5k then it became 10k and now 12.5k

[civic trellis]

Ah

[long thicket]

So I did Lorelei first try with 500 points worth of HP+.

[proud axle]

Lorelei round 1 is an ezpz Toxic Stall for 2.5K

She has Lessen Poison 8 instead of 9

Inflict the Toxic, stack Venom Drench and defenses, and then go get a sandwich

[void wyvern]

New params actually making poison stall a viable option is goofy.

[proud axle]

New 2.5k toxic stall is easier than Old 2.0k toxic stall

Round 2 makes Toxic do more damage, and... yeah, Grass-weak Lorelei takes twice as much damage from it compared to most bosses to begin with

[mellow linden]

Round 1

Round 2 is increased secondary effect chance

[long thicket]

Did Bruno with a couple of tries.
I think I'll just write down which teams I complete 2500 with...

Slightly concerned about Ice and Steel.
My Ice strategy is sync with an EX Candice under hail, while using Sygna N for additional damage.

[fiery canopy]

agatha down yaaaaa
round 2 lets go

who should go next

[rotund lagoon]

Avoid Lorelei for R3

[rigid flint]

I’d say do Bruno second

[fiery canopy]

kk!

[rigid flint]

How many special water types do you have?

Oh wait wrong one

Afahdjs nvm

[fiery canopy]

kk, how about i beat lorelei now then

hmm, who do yall recommend against her

should i send my roster

[rotund lagoon]

Just send your grass types.

[fiery canopy]

kk

[rotund lagoon]

I wanna say poison stall it? Due to SS Leaf?

[zinc island]

For lorelei i used sycamore, ss erika and brendam

[umbral crow]

Quick question: do lvl 140 units is big upgrade from lvl 120 for master mode?

[rotund lagoon]

It’s honestly not a significant difference in stats.

[fiery canopy]

gotcha
would uhhhh janine and lucy work for that

[umbral crow]

Roger that

[rotund lagoon]

Get a defensive support and you can use either Janine or Lucy with her. I also like Koga for poison stuff tbh

[fiery canopy]

defensive? like raises defense or has high defense

[rotund lagoon]

Raises Df or Sp Df or both if needed I think Sp Df is what you need here, I’ll double check Lorelei’s team’s moves.

Lorelei is Special, right is a mix, left has all special and one physical.

[fiery canopy]

sooo i should probably go for sp df rjght?

[rotund lagoon]

Seems so. But if you find yourself dying to physical ones, feel free to do one of both stats.

[fiery canopy]

kay!

[restive roost]

do i have to wait till week two to start master mode

[void wyvern]

Yes, you can only get 15 types per run.

[restive roost]

xerneas counts as a grass 😔 i got 14

[fiery canopy]

any particular recommendations for sp def? im kinda just wading thru a bunch of units rn lol

[void wyvern]

Xerneas is fairy.

[restive roost]

oh

idk then

[void wyvern]

If you got 14 different types you should be fine for next week.

[void wyvern]

Who are you using as your striker?

Oh I see, you’re poison stalling

[fiery canopy]

yeye

[void wyvern]

So you’re using Lucy, and SS leaf.

BP morty would be a good choice, covers both defences, also has potion.

[proud axle]

If SSLeaf is on the team, drop Lucy and add Janine(Ariados)

[fiery canopy]

tyty

[proud axle]

I'd have done Lorelei on round 1

Because it makes Toxic hurt more

But idk if it's too late now or what

Was this Hard mode or Master mode, btw

[fiery canopy]

hard mode

havent unlocked master yet

[proud axle]

Then we wanna spread types around

Maybe consider Viola/Masquerain as the tank for this. The enemy's offense is mixed but slightly leans Special, and she is quite good as an anti-Special tank

And she's Bug, which is an uncommon type

Plus it's not every day when you can literally run a triple-Tech team

[void wyvern]

Why not use Liza and Lunatone? Psychic fits nicely with the already debuffs and you have x special defence

[onyx ice]

Tried the c Marnie offtype, and by using chalem it works even against Lorelei that can surf turn 1

[thin pecan]

Do we have a list of parameters to use for 12.5 yet

[wide adder]

doubt we have a general recommendation yet

[subtle forge]

Go with what feels right for now

[wide adder]

theyre a lot more team oriented now

like you wouldnt take physical down with physical teams, wouldnt take standard down with offtype teams, etc.

the rework to the recommendations is probably going to need more variation in it than before

personally i keep no stat reduction off for a lot of my teams, since i tend to like pairs that want the stats lowered. theres also cases where like, you'd get free points from it though, like flying weak bruno. hes Impervious anyway

and if you are using a downside up or impervious focused team, 5 stats down by 3 is free

5 stats up by 3 is free for teams that plan to use moves like haze and snatch anyways

[dim depot]

The 3x damage ones too, if you're planning to pre-sync clear.

[proud axle]

Because there's a Flying-weak fight next week, and Blue/Pidgeot's best sidekick is Sabrina/Zam

It's way easier to sneak a Psychic in than a Bug

[onyx ice]

As long as the stage can't AOE presync (Lorelei)

Even a side of Agatha can AOE (but is swift)

Striker X3 can be useful for stuffs like lusamine that has endure and PR5, if the stage AOE once you are guaranteed to trigger pr5

[dim depot]

Hmm. Guess it takes some planning and isn't as "free" as I thought.

[onyx ice]

I guess tech and striker are free if you aren't running one of them

However the movesets are fixed, so if you know that the stage can't aoe before the mid goes down then it's still free if you presync and can one shot the sides

However for 2.5k i guess the same parameters as 2k still applies and then we can squeeze 500 extra points based on the team used

[fiery canopy]

theres a lotta words here but i dont have the resources to make viola viable rn so im just gonna use bp morty for support

[onyx ice]

Viola isn't even a support

[fiery canopy]

ik ik im talkin to @proud axle my bad

abt usingg viola against lorelei w ssleaf and janine

[proud axle]

All she needs are EXP books

And those are literally free rn

Gear event gives an infinite number without costing stamina

[onyx ice]

You mean for toxic stall?

[fiery canopy]

yuh
gear event? ohh hold on a sec

[proud axle]

"Collecta-Ball Poison Gear"

[onyx ice]

It's a co-op one

[fiery canopy]

oh yeahhh
brb then lol

blehhh it keeps trying to match me up with npcs

[wide adder]

yeah bc a lot of people already did the event, we're in the tail end of the event im pretty sure

wish coop events would allow you to make your own full self-teams like how villa/plaza do

instead i just tend to let the books build up passively from other events cause i usually build up enough for a few pairs by time i need more without focusing on them

[fiery canopy]

im just gonna give bp morty a shot anf then ill go back to grinding for lvl books if that doesnt work

[storm moss]

What's good peramiters to have for 15k?

[fiery canopy]

first try lets gooo

round 3 babay

[subtle forge]

15k? I wouldn’t say I’m an expert but stacking HP and attack will give you a good amount of points. With the new parameters, you can probably omit some of them

[fiery canopy]

aight i have bruno and lance left, who should go next

[trail smelt]

Are you doing this for a challenge? Because there’s no further rewards beyond 12,500 total

[storm moss]

Whatever the. Max is?

Ik they increased it

[subtle forge]

The max is 12.5k

[paper summit]

the rewards max is 12.5k, not 15k