can take hp 1 it doesnt change a lot
#Champion Stadium
zealous karma
zealous karma
can you record again?
restive roost
i wasnt quad queuing properly. now its a lot closer
if i kept using brutal instead of lariat would i have gotten off sync
mellow linden
Yeah, Masked Royal’s regular move damage is basically irrelevant in a Hop/MR/Nessa team
Brutal Swing is better in that situation because it’s lower gauge cost and hits (thus debuffing) all opponents
restive roost
AHHHHH
SHE LIVED ON ONE AND GOT HER SYNC OFF
also is quad queueing hard because it took me like 5 tries before i get it off once
mellow linden
It can be. Hop makes it harder because if Freevenge activates it’ll prevent you from doing it
zealous karma
quad queuing is difficult even for me as a long time player
silent quail
mellow linden
Maybe try waiting to queue Jaw Lock until after Hop to It
So it’d be MR -> Hop -> Nessa or Hop -> MR -> Nessa each round
That’d give you a chance to get a crit at +2 Attack for the 1st Jaw Lock. If you’re really getting that close it might make the difference
restive roost
i did try that
zealous karma
Can you get cs2 on either of ‘em
restive roost
cs2?
mellow linden
Critical Strike 2
zealous karma
Critical strike 2 from 
mellow linden
Both if you can
mellow linden
No
restive roost
grtty 3?
mellow linden
It do be like that sometimes, congrats
Should be the deciding factor so long as you’re making sure Hop is maxing Attack/crit and MR is critting his Syncs
void wyvern
Yes wacky internet person?
restive roost
this is taking so long
ima try gio vs the fighting dude
Psychic: Gio Sab Roxanne
Dark: Hop Nessa Masked Royal
Fire: CMarnie Skyla idk a third
Ground: CHop Bea Sonia
Dragon: Zinnia Bertha SSBlue
for psychic what parameters
pre sync or post
post?
mellow linden
Can try both and see what works for you, just keep in mind that with pre-Sync you basically have to KO the center opponent before they Sync (they are a little less bulky than on post-Sync to assist with that)
restive roost
what parameters did u do
restive roost
Side deny?
its also round two so after i faint the first one the rest are debuffed
zealous karma
Ye that’s true
restive roost
also whoever i put tank
roxanne or sabrina
will always get one shot
before i sync
restive roost
nono i meant like i tried using both as tank and both died before sync
cmarnie vs fire was the only easy one 😭
zealous karma
Wow I didn’t, I didn’t think the diff between non ex Sabrina was that huge
You didn’t triple queue on first turn so turn game speed if it goes to fast, and on second turn you can heal Sabrina with her trainer movr
zealous karma
If it’s proving to difficult I’d just to 1.5K if you’re still here
keen jasper
How is your parameters UI different?
old orchid
The UI has been updated since the recent updated
keen jasper
Oh it is different now
grim bison
When will recommended parameters for 2.5k come
paper summit
they mean when we'll come up with a new set for the pins, granted it's not hard to come up with your own...
zealous karma
O
restive roost
You didn’t triple queue on first turn so turn game speed if it goes to fast, and...
oh i didnt even notice
trail smelt
43 minutes yay
swift swan
they mean when we'll come up with a new set for the pins, granted it's not hard ...
it's pretty likely that the ones we might change are only the 1500 and 850 ones imo
from 2k to 2.5k just slap the standard damage reduction, physical/special damage reduction, or strikers/techs take more damage if you're willing. I think we have more leeway now
proud axle
With Standard Damage Reduction, a 2k clear can drop Strength 2 and Sync Buff +5 to end up with a lot more room for error
zealous karma
I think sync buff 5 is a free parameters even for post sync imo lel
proud axle
Depends on whether you can take out the sidekicks before they move
Double-damage AoEs are... o o f
zealous karma
That’s such a scams for 50 points
proud axle
I also very frequently guess the wrong sidekick...
zealous karma
Especially as a player who almost exclusively runs tech strikes# support teams
proud axle
...Sync Buff +5 is 100pts tho
swift swan
those should've costed more points, i agree
dark osprey
yeah. i think i'll just increase strength for like 100 pts
std damage and physical/special damage reduction will be 400 pts right
dark osprey
hmmm. HP+8 seems kinda hard to clear for me though
devout sluice
I’ll try the pre-sync parameter but 2,500 instead
swift swan
here we go baby
zealous karma
I’ve never been more confused to see may hit 600 damage then realized I click standard damage reduction 8 and the proceeded to click on the wrong stage
paper summit
swift swan
updated
swift swan
maybe you accidentally clicked 3k params lol
paper summit
Richu gets SS Morty killed regularly, which is nonsense, so I'm not surprised lol
zealous karma
maybe you accidentally clicked 3k params lol
Idt I did 
latent eagle
Waiting for new parameters for MM....
swift swan
you mean the recommendations?
latent eagle
Ye, my bad lmao
zealous karma
I def didn’t take 3K params so maybe I took to much Atk lel
swift swan
well, that will take a while
zealous karma
Oo I forgot how much of a banger Lorelei’s theme was
swift swan
lorelei's theme is boring for me 
zealous karma
Lorelei’s is the only one I like Agatha’s is so Whiney idk how to describe it
HECK
swift swan
agatha's theme is great, I agree
old orchid
Blue isnt an E4 
zealous karma
True
paper summit
Richu screaming and crying for 12.5k, who could have predicted that?! 
c'mon, you clear 15k regularly
zealous karma
Richu screaming and crying for 12.5k, who could have predicted that?! <:WEEZing:...
No no I’m not crying Ay that
I messed up my params
I can’t first clear 12.5K because I thought the damage x3 params
We’re more than 50
paper summit
oh that, well, you redo CS a lot anyway...
paper summit
oh wow, this week's round params are all good
manic kiln
Welp this is still easy 
paper summit
no damage shield nonsense
of course, it's Kanto
these new params don't really change a whole lot tbh
the flexibility is nice tho
manic kiln
10k and 7k5 is much easier for new players
keen jasper
Round 1: Use status conditions and other conditions against all opponents
Round 2: Make use of moves with additional effects
Round 3: Use special attack moves against opponents with low Sp. Def.
Round 4: Use powerful moves quickly and constantly against all opponents
Champion: Use physical attack moves against opponents with low defense
old orchid
the params for each round this week are already pinned
keen jasper
the params for each round this week are already pinned
Where?
old orchid
in the pins 
manic kiln
Scroll down 
manic kiln
Probably have to wait for sinnoh for some actual challenges, this is fun but still underwhelming.
trail smelt
Not much change though I find myself spending more time looking at the parameters list lol
Ready for next week.
Screw our Fairies
dark osprey
for on type, i guess the slight inconvenience is probably using only special or physical attackers. used Kris with May and unfortunately May couldn't do much damage
oh gladion supremacy. nice
magic crown
Why didn't that do over 99k I thought her nuke was more powerful than this
trail smelt
… I KNEW something was off
zealous karma
Low damage roll
trail smelt
I always used gradual healing but forgot to tick it this week
dark osprey
the order of the new parameters do need a bit getting used to
at least before the presets are out
do they automatically prefer AOEs if you take the striker/tech damage *3 and have them on team?
umbral plaza
it was fun
magic crown
Does flying weak Bruno have Impervious I was going to try her out there
zealous karma
Yes
zealous karma
it was fun
Is this max points?
magic crown
OMG WHY
wide adder
idk if the order of my fights are going to matter much...
umbral plaza
Is this max points?
yes 2500
umbral plaza
he could null me any moment but he got flinched every turn pure luck
keen jasper
Trying to do a fucking F2P clear on Lorelei and the only thing that kills me is Surf
zealous karma
Real
dull yarrow
Smh
dark osprey
lorelei was annoying always
magic crown
I forgot bulu exist I'mma just try her there
trail smelt
Surfs up bros
dull yarrow
How do I beat Agatha
trail smelt
Ice weak huh
zealous karma
Use holiday leon lel
trail smelt
Ghetsis not working?
zealous karma
I used Ghetsus + candice lel
main crow
Deny her turns with freeze? As unreliable as that it
zealous karma
umbral plaza
whom to put to galar trio if i lack hop
trail smelt
I used Ghetsis and he cleared fine
dull yarrow
I'm using SS N
zealous karma
whom to put to galar trio if i lack hop
Lucian
keen jasper
I seriously hate Surf
wide adder
the fact interference immunity is only 50 pts feels a bit dirty
zealous karma
Idk how that unit plays lel
magic crown
This was Satisfying to me
trail smelt
PalBea SSN and Ghetsis
zealous karma
Hilda moment
trail smelt
After Palbea sync’d SSN’s attack OHKO’d Agatha LMAO
wide adder
ok how bad is the five stats up/down3 off first impressions? and do Impervious units ignore stat down from it?
shrewd oyster
What are the new rewards for 12.5k
zealous karma
keen jasper
I fucking hate Lorelei
magic crown
My ice team for what it’s worth
I off typed ice with this team
keen jasper
Just when I got her, Lodge Sycamore's sync didn't crit the right and my Sycamore got flinched by that fucking Rock Slide
shrewd oyster
iirc +15 <:iPowerUpTicket:761649239058284615> +10 <:iChampSpirit:799683239241318...
well it couldn't have been THAT good but the extra 
is nice
trail smelt
ok how bad is the five stats up/down3 off first impressions? and do Impervious u...
Damn I forgot to test this
tame gust
welp, time to see what fifteen elements I can slap together for this week seeing as how this is gonna be my first kanto run.
keen jasper
-3 to 5 stats doesn't work on Impervious
zealous karma
Downside up pairs thriving
dull yarrow
Fucking hell Agatha is so annoying
devout sluice
Exactly, took me so many rng and resets.
I even gotten unlucky icy wind crits that was taking out shsymin.
zealous karma
Agatha felt the same to@me@
devout sluice
Now I can relax from that 12.5k until next Monday. Felt even harder than EBE.
devout sluice
When the parameters sheet gets updated, should be a bit easy.
dull yarrow
Fuck me there's no good Ice type attackers
devout sluice
For now we gonna have to do our own parameters.
paper summit
what a tragedy
zealous karma
Ghetsis is a good ice damage dealer e
grand pond
yeah I'm just crazy and went all reds like I usually do
Though I had to fight for my life with zacian
wide adder
i need +100 if you include either phys down or special down 8, thoughts?
zealous karma
Take strength one and Atk 1
devout sluice
Bruno was the most close call. Like holy I can’t remember how many resets I done.
formal musk
wide adder
i cant think of a reason why i shouldnt be able to do kimono grims on steel, same with anni n on blue, so lets see... hows hala doing for ice these days at 3/5, guys?
dull yarrow
Okay finally beat Agatha
summer flare
I've done a pass at the new parameters
It didn't seem particularly hard once I understood what was going on
That said, this week had some of my easier types
wide adder
for ice its either i use hala, summer steven, lusamine, or ghetsis...could also do gladion now that ive got him exd 
but sides might be hard for gladion
devout sluice
Didn’t have steel wish so I had to off type Lance.
wide adder
ehhh screw it ima see how gladion plays here~
devout sluice
Well, I was an idiot because I forgotten I had SC Steven for steel rebuff.
wide adder
grass. grass grass grass. ima attempt mallow + ss erika +1 i think
summer flare
Lance - kgrimsley, colress and cBede
Agatha - alt iris, ghetsis and sycamore
Lorelei - SS Erika, SS lyra, Lyra
Bruno - SS Kris, SS blue, may
Blue - silver, Blaine, Red
sly imp
lodge blue tanked it just fine under sun for me
wide adder
waters going to be kris fo sho...
summer flare
Colress helped grimsley oneshot mid with the parry
Alt iris helped ghetsis set up his humongous multipliers
umbral plaza
almost here (2500 hp max)
wide adder
kris... then i need rain... which prob is may or winona... then i need... buffs... or i could go without rain...
summer flare
Kris + Hilbert goes a long way imo
keen jasper
i wonder how 12.5k pts. will fare for the F2P and/or beginners
umbral plaza
so good to have master support if i could own other three…
summer flare
I'm F2P, but
wide adder
im clueless on what supports to give kgrims, uhoh.
summer flare
im clueless on what supports to give kgrims, uhoh.
Do you have colress?
wide adder
sadly not
wide adder
he uh, doesnt have a grid, is that ok
summer flare
Not ideal
devout sluice
During my Agatha battle for SS N I strangely brought Hilbert even tho SC Hilda can buff crit and speed, he didn’t have an aggravation build. I just couldn’t decide who to replace Hilbert with.
prime warren
2500 still ez 
sly imp
can try redlax too probably
sand karma
Has a suggested pre sync parameter set been updated for 2.5k?
sly imp
ahh
wide adder
itll take a bit
plush tangle
12.5k is unironically easier than 10k lmaooo
wide adder
esp since its more team reliant
sly imp
yeah that on type only gives a lot of points
prime warren
It's easier for ontype
Harder for offtype
sly imp
can drop alot of unecessary stuffs
prime warren
plush tangle
Has a suggested pre sync parameter set been updated for 2.5k?
300 for on type + 100 for physical or special damage resistance + 100 for no support or 50 for no tech/striker + 50 for no interference
and then you pick your average 2k paramater
prime warren
For offtype you just pick more strength ig
prime warren
I actually do
Coz some offtype teams
They ain't beating offtype rats
Or zygarde
plush tangle
smh rats can beat cs with on type parameters
keen jasper
Wow, my F2P team for Blue just FTKO-ed him
wide adder
yeah that on type only gives a lot of points
how about kukui for -def with kgrims, or is it better if its -2 to one instead of -1 to all
keen jasper
Why am I getting errors after every clear?
wide adder
Why am I getting errors after every clear?
clearly we're the bug testers for the new params /s
prob server load from everyone flooding to try the new 2.5k
sly imp
it's possible, I kinda cheated on mine since I had SC Steven
prime warren
I love the Steven buff
He can actually one shot sides with his nuke zoneless ontype now
wide adder
im doing a very memey gladion team atm. redlax, gladion, cgio. all normal type team 
prime warren
3/5 EX Steven
plush tangle
im doing a very memey gladion team atm. redlax, gladion, cgio. all normal type t...
gladion changes type that's cheating
prime warren
Genesect and future Arceus abusing the system 
devout sluice
Ok, maybe next weeks could be a bit better for me.
wide adder
ok my gladion tickles agatha
craggy glade
Need them to release a new param that reduces supereffective damage for 300 points
lost gulch
I love the Steven buff
He can actually one shot sides with his nuke zoneless on...
one shot sides is hardly a flex
prime warren
I never meant it as a flex
He wasn't able to do that shit before the buff
The sides always live at 1 HP or smth
craggy glade
Off typing for 2.5k is pain
prime warren
Now he cleankills it without iron head
umbral plaza
YES hahahahahaHA
keen jasper
A cheap F2P with Silver against Blue FTKOs him with ease
wide adder
literally did 30% of agathas hp on a full ex gladion nuke 
keen jasper
But that's only if you have his power ups
craggy glade
Blue is deadass the easiest
umbral plaza
oh thanks i didn’t count all hp
wide adder
BRO 2 SYNC NUKES DONT EVEN KILL AGATHA WITH SE UP NEXT ON BOTH
GLADION WHY ARE YOU SO WEAK EVEN AT EX
keen jasper
Ice zone copium
main crow
Apparently agatha wants you to use special ice DPS?
craggy glade
Dena: I heard you say Gladion's weak. So we gave og Lillie new grids"
main crow
Lol I'm too used to newer CS with their entries bs I sometimes forgot some stages are just naturally bulky on certain aspectss
coughcough flying koga cough
craggy glade
Apparently agatha wants you to use special ice DPS?
Ghetsis gaming
wide adder
Ghetsis gaming
thats a big problem for me
prime warren
I was using hala the entire time
wide adder
as im using ghetsis tank for my anni n fire team
prime warren
And still pre sync
craggy glade
I tanked the sync and then killed
wide adder
craggy glade
SC Lillie my beloved
craggy glade
Yes
wide adder
ima attempt hala and if that doesnt work ice is being offtyped
main crow
Next week has fighting I can't wait for this overkill 👀
prime warren
Goddamnit next week is fairy and flying
Well atleast other 3 doesn't need red so I can shove him in fairy team maybe
shrewd oyster
flying is gonna be a pain but at least i have ny!lisia for fairy
main crow
Next week has fighting I can't wait for this overkill 👀
I'll try to do it with full HP parameter also just to see how far can it go
shrewd oyster
if it's bruno (it probably is) then that may not work
shrewd oyster
I've never seen a fairy map that V!Serena couldn't beat
wide adder
AGATHA STOP POISONING SNORLAX
main crow
Lodge Lillie is unironically good
Even better with tech ex now
Carried me on that Alola anni2 EBE lmao
wide adder
ok yeah fuck this im offtyping
she just took a fat dink from ice hammer
...wait no im dumb i had phys down HOWD THAT GET THERE
wide adder
hala ldawn redlax go brr 
shrewd oyster
hala so good
I need to build him at some point
wide adder
devout sluice
I gotta remind myself to never use too much hp or too much defense.
wide adder
i dont even have most of his grid is the best thing, hes so cheap
i think this is all i use on him
shrewd oyster
I gotta remind myself to never use too much hp or too much defense.
that's my big problem I always stack on a ton of HP
devout sluice
Ya that’s probably why Agatha took too long for me.
Until I realized it after a few resets and switched it to something else.
keen jasper
F2P clear done
shrewd oyster
lodgesaur!!
wide adder
just realized mallows going to do jack all cause im turning off confusion. yay.
atk up this round instead ig
keen jasper
keen jasper
>f2p
>lodge morty
People can always replace it
undone ether
HAHA beat Lance R2
with 2/5 Steven, NC Calem and Eevee
hell yeah 😄
Pure Defense
I think the enemy sync pairs can also crit you hard
wide adder
opponent for last 3 steel turns: Iron head! ...but it missed. Oh I'll get him this time, IRON HEAD! ...but it missed.
kimono grimsley is funni
void wyvern
Apparently agatha wants you to use special ice DPS?
Ice weak Agatha has the same defences so physical or special work.
dark osprey
Agatha does have higher bulk
undone ether
f2p cs 12.5k was just as easy as 10k
painful
wide adder
ice weak was the sore spot for me this week, mostly cause my ice box is hurting
undone ether
WAIT DAMN
wide adder
esp since ghetsis was on anni n tanking duty this week
undone ether
Lorelei is full hate on Maxie/Groudon lmao
manic kiln
Hala/candice is totally fine for ice
frosty axle
Candice and Kyurem does fine for me
wide adder
i had to do hala ldawn and redlax 
for mine
undone ether
if this girl wants me to keep using Solar Blades
wide adder
couldnt get away with gladion
undone ether
time to use my best tank
wide adder
even tho gladion
devout sluice
SS N still does great damage for me. Unless I accidentally choose physical instead of special.
trail smelt
Fairy weak next week means the first time I’m using my brand spanking new normal team of SCteven, Gladion, and Red
devout sluice
Anni N still my fire mvp.
wide adder
yeah he does so much, and can literally work as a debuffer for other units if needed too ontop of dealing quite good damage himself
trim robin
first time in a while since i used SSred 
wide adder
gordie is just there for fire rebuff + sun if it isnt obvious btw, lol.
set up -2 rebuff, tm once, max flare right before sync
devout sluice
I probably have to bring a rebuff for dark week stage in two weeks. Minus a support which could be painful.
keen jasper
my anni n just now
More like Silver
trim robin
realised my SC steven will do wonders for selene/decidueye but then i already used him for palmarnie 
devout sluice
If dark weak physical damage, then oh boy.
undone ether
hahaha
i can see SS Morty buff
Solar Extension 3
lets goo D:<
or Drought Extension
or w/e its name is
either SS Morty or Lyra
wide adder
If dark weak physical damage, then oh boy.
yep, fallbert and mightyena. dark im done covering now with that ex.
got a special one (cmarnie) and multiple phys options (fallbert, MR); i dont feel like the other two darks i have need their exs to do their jobs
but fallbert def felt like he needed it
keen jasper
Solar Extension 3
No, Berserker Bunch and All Ramped Up
keen jasper
or Drought Extension
Drought Alert
devout sluice
Oh shoot I can’t bring SC Rosa in two weeks, so can’t set up Zoroark.
craggy glade
Me after destroying Lorelei with lodge Lillie
wide adder
also gonna have summer n when he drops for another special dark so
wide adder
Me after destroying Lorelei with lodge Lillie
what type will lillie cover next, i wonder.
what shall her sygna suit bring us
trim robin
is this the place for the special champion stadium 
devout sluice
Ice
keen jasper
what type will lillie cover next, i wonder.
She'll have Magearna
wide adder
is this the place for the special champion stadium <:thonk:889787116165410846>
technically yeah, its fine for it
keen jasper
Fairy type with Fleur Cannon
wide adder
im hoping for ice with Snowy the alola vulpix/ninetales
cause having a fav in that type would do me wonders for till SS N is obtainable for me
keen jasper
SS Lillie/Magearna
trim robin
Assuming that I got the supports for them, I should go SS Erika, Selene, lodge sycamore, lodge Lillie and Brendan? 
wide adder
i feel like yet another fairy type would feel like a copout for the SS for lillie tbh, she already has multiple that cover fairy
craggy glade
Yea
trim robin
or do i say screw it and just offtype a bunch
craggy glade
Even anni Lillie has moonblast
devout sluice
Wait, I think I got a plan to keep Rosa in two weeks for dark types.
keen jasper
Or some rando will get Magearna
wide adder
ima plan out next week--...well, shit. im screwed next week.
they gave us ghost and fairy at the same time again.
can dena STOP doing that
makes me actually having to use SSRynthia for dps 
craggy glade
Right now Lillie has 2 ghost pairs 2 fairies and 1 bug
One of the ghost pairs also covers fairy
Give her something else
undone ether
okay
craggy glade
undone ether
i finally got an idea who to EX next
wide adder
what sort of sides does ssrynthia 1/5 even want
undone ether
Redlax lets go 😄
wide adder
trail smelt
Fantina works fine doesn’t she?
manic kiln
Assuming that I got the supports for them, I should go SS Erika, Selene, lodge s...
Sserika dawn lyra for a braindead clear 
if you don’t use the supports for other stages. Selene is fine too
swift swan
what sort of sides does ssrynthia 1/5 even *want*
you can dual strike with any ghost type
undone ether
Aight Posted
swift swan
fantina or giovanni for their multipliers, for example
undone ether
...dawn...? but...dawns 1/5... <:SerenaSip:623126213224955904>
Dawn uh... NY Dawn
for move gauge refresh
swift swan
ssr cynthia's fast enough
wide adder
does tldawn work, i dont have ny dawn
swift swan
does tldawn work, i dont have ny dawn
that's a support
swift swan
then bring someone who can max her stats. I don't think ssr cynthia maxes her attack/sp attack without MPR
wide adder
oh, hm
ill figure out the support after flying and fighting then
ss ethan... which of my supports might be able to do you... id do sc lillie but shes busy over in fairy to help me try out my pal serena
swift swan
ss ethan just wants a crit and special attack buffer so he can continuously spam aeroblast
preferaby someone for speed too
at 3/5, rain setter for nuke
undone ether
There
wide adder
mines 2/5 atm
wide adder
holding off on more candy until i struggle on something with him probs
cause ive felt fine at 2/5 for a while
id do sabrina but i dont think she survives bruno stages that well without ex
swift swan
she can if you're lucky enough to not get hit by powerful moves a lot I think
undone ether
#1072120373858009088 message huhu~
honestly
Agatha was a pain
either that or we dont have that many Ice-types to choose from
especially ones that can heal Poison
swift swan
rare brycen appearance
undone ether
yeah had to use Brycen
wide adder
maybe falkner?
undone ether
and full offense :x
wide adder
helps johto spirit and has the right buffs i think
devout sluice
Plus, if you have Anni Skyla you can boost SS Ethan power more.
wide adder
i dont have anni skyla
swift swan
especially ones that can heal Poison
poison? it's just a 30% sludge bomb
undone ether
i didnt think Brycen could DROP EVERY'S STATs
wide adder
brycen just resets peoples stats to normal, common in cresselia to see him
undone ether
poison? it's just a 30% sludge bomb
For R1, its something i had to deal with i guess xD
swift swan
It's R2 that increases the chance
R1 increases how much damage you take from the poison (more effective)
you just got unlucky with the 30% proc
undone ether
yeah
dusty yarrow
I'm a bit curious, what's everyone's standard param for a normal 2.5k CS (just wanna do some optimizations)
I've still run Treestorm's 2k this w/ the additional:
- Standard Damage Reduction 8 (300pts)
- Can't Change Terrain (150)
- Inference Immunity (50)
This only works on on-type tho (planning for a full off-type soon, I am look on the Physical/Special Move Reduc & Strike/Tech for extra points...
)
undone ether
so i went FULL Offense
for agatha
because that poison will kill me if i went full defense
😭
swift swan
I'm a bit curious, what's everyone's standard param for a normal 2.5k CS (just w...
yeah, you can take the physical/special reduction and strike/tech ones depending on your team
manic kiln
When in doubt just take more strength para
undone ether
btw
swift swan
because that poison will kill me if i went full defense
or you reset until you don't get poisoned 
wide adder
i cant decide between darach and lserena for my last slot on my ss ethan team, or if i should go something else.
swift swan
When in doubt just take more strength para <:CynthiaSmug:601614489783238669>
did they add more strength parameters?
undone ether
yeah it was pretty much agatha that made me go "FOR WHAT PURPOSE?!"
the 2nd one would be Lorelei
manic kiln
did they add more strength parameters?
Nope
wide adder
ima just put darach for zoomies
undone ether
did they add more strength parameters?
just max hp
swift swan
i cant decide between darach and lserena for my last slot on my ss ethan team, o...
darach for free crit shield points lol
manic kiln
But before this people who did 2k5 and 3k just take str para
wide adder
lol trueee
swift swan
But before this people who did 2k5 and 3k just take str para
yeah that's true
wide adder
is it hard to do double strike with bea? like bea + wally + like uhh, cobalion maybe or hilbert
dusk zenith
F2P clear done
may ik the parameters you used?
swift swan
is it hard to do double strike with bea? like bea + wally + like uhh, cobalion m...
easy
bea/wally/hilbert is my staple before I got ssa cynthia
wide adder
cool
keen jasper
may ik the parameters you used?
I'll have my video soon
swift swan
bea/wally/hilbert is my staple before I got ssa cynthia
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devout sluice
I’ll probably have to replace Maylene next week with a different support since now I know 12.5k gonna hit hard.
sick kraken
😭
same lmao, first try first clear though. 1/5 Melony did her job before she died. used 2 tech - ssn x ghetsis
dusty yarrow
I don't know if my current roster can do all Strenght Params (or probably a confidence issue) cuz my roster is not that strong enough
wide adder
sick kraken
I'm doing bruno rn. gonna do ontype clear first
wide adder
this look fine for next week?
haughty drum
Is it possible to save params now?
sick kraken
true true
swift swan
I don't know if my current roster can do all Strenght Params (or probably a conf...
full strength is pretty comfortable as long as you can buff defense, heal, or debuff their offenses
haughty drum
swift swan
I think presyncing takes more confidence than postsyncing with full strength
dusty yarrow
My style is always Post-Sync
sick kraken
@undone ether what's ur ss steven move level?
swift swan
looks good
undone ether
<@110399312634056704> what's ur ss steven move level?
2/5
wide adder
cool thx! wanted to make sure there wasnt any major flaws left behind on those teams. might end up swapping gio for fantina, depends on if i grid her or not
undone ether
Tough Sync only needs at least 1 DEF buff
and your damage will go nuts it seems @sick kraken
wide adder
doubt it
dark osprey
yeah. me too
wide adder
its not a passive, its a round thing
undone ether
maximum doubt xD
wide adder
isnt a field effect either
sick kraken
and your damage will go nuts it seems <@748343456404996117>
g thanks
wide adder
its just a effect on the round in general, so dont think piercing will stop it
dark osprey
none of the new paramaters are field effects right?
dusty yarrow
I mean, I dunno if (peircing blow) works on Strike dmg reduc as well... I guess we could try
dark osprey
any further uses of defog?
undone ether
none of the new paramaters are field effects right?
there's one where you can't change the weather/field effects and stuff
dark osprey
ahh nice
undone ether
but i could STILL run Dark Zone
so
you cannot change them if your opponents does sometihng
like
dark osprey
was wondering if it was like the one that was there in Co-op
undone ether
Sandstorm
wide adder
but i could STILL run Dark Zone
undone ether
and you wanna change it to Rain
dark osprey
hmmm
wide adder
undone ether
yeah i had that option on, but i still got to use Dark Zone o_o
dark osprey
better to try i guess
undone ether
well yeah xD
dusty yarrow
Huh... I thought "Can't Change Zone, Weather, or Terrain" prevents you to set them
undone ether
i used it against Lance since i didnt no weather
keen jasper
Huh... I thought "Can't Change Zone, Weather, or Terrain" prevents you to set th...
Even preemptive?
undone ether
we can test them one by one once you've done your CS12.5.
sick kraken
yeah i had that option on, but i still got to use Dark Zone o_o
does it means if the opposing team sets zone, weather, terrain you can't change it? XD
swift swan
I guess that makes sense. you can't change the zone/weather/terrain. You can still set them initially
is that what you meant?
magic crown
Bruh how much hp does this man got wtf I literally setup her full nuke
sick kraken
ah I see
swift swan
Bruh how much hp does this man got wtf I literally setup her full nuke
you can use pomatools and put in your parameters to see the final stats
magic crown
Ok
swift swan
I guess that makes sense. you can't _change_ the zone/weather/terrain. You can s...
wow, then this is a free param then, in most cases. unless your opponent sets zone/weather on entry and you need to change it
dark osprey
na. can't set rain
dark osprey
says. but it failed
swift swan
undone ether
maybe.
swift swan
I'll test later, my phone's charging rn
undone ether
well it was NC Calem's Dark Zone
dark osprey
yea. not working for zone as well with PMarnie steel wish
don't know if Calem's Bmove being different from just zone is the reason
swift swan
huh...
dark osprey
i meant Bmove
dusty yarrow
Sorry for the quality (can't Screenshot properly so I had to vid then SS)
No Physical Dmg Reduc 8/ with Physical Dmg Reduc 8
swift swan
now add standard damage reudction on top of that 
dark osprey
yeah. that physical damage reduction does seem painful.
guess no extra points for piercing blows with the new parameters
thnks for the testing
swift swan
I suppose that makes sense. it's not a passive, just an overall stage effect, so piercing blows can't bypass it
got Armlo to test it for me 
late grove
undone ether
got Armlo to test it for me <:LucianScheme:992636877746217080>
guess i forgot about it lmao
dusty yarrow
I was trying out with other ones... (I have #SkillIssue)
dark osprey
so no field effects to defog with the new paramaters i guess
swift swan
the highest is around 29k. a lot of stages have this, but who exactly has the highest I'm not really sure
as reference you can start by checking Hoenn stages lol
they're bulky af
dark osprey
yeah. its should be tied with all those Hoenns and Kalos and Sinnohs
keen jasper
Sidney with 28.9k HP
dark osprey
fire weak stages like last week's grimsley too has high HP though
keen jasper
And Phoebe too
dark osprey
aaron also should have it
dusty yarrow
I thought something like X-Mas Whitney's TM would fail entirely cuz it has a terrain setting, but it just negates the terrain setting but still enables the other stuff
swift swan
just at a cursory glance, 28960 HP seems to be the highest
solemn pine
will info for 2.5k points be updated or posted soon?
keen jasper
28960 with HP + 20 becomes 140117
dark osprey
I thought something like X-Mas Whitney's TM would fail entirely cuz it has a ter...
ah yeah. that's nice at least
swift swan
will info for 2.5k points be updated or posted soon?
unfortunately we can't answer that yet. hopefully we can make new parameter recommendations soon
for now you can use your own params and ask for advice here!
solemn pine
are strength and hp parameters ok to use, or thats more risky?
swift swan
28960 with HP + 20 becomes 140117
now add strength
swift swan
are strength and hp parameters ok to use, or thats more risky?
don't stack them together, you're only making them too bulky
frosty axle
Its quite easy to make a 2.5k parameters but it is very team dependant now
swift swan
strength and HP can be stacked together only if you're trying to status stall and you don't care about your damage output
keen jasper
now add strength
209790
swift swan
frosty axle
for example if you team doesn't use flinch/weather etc. those parameters are free points same with a team without a support/tech or striker
dusty yarrow
I tried to run a modified Treestorm's Params as a standard for a success 12.5k CS run but even then it doesn't work with the same teams (work Generally on On-type but still had to heavily edit to adjust for my team)
frosty axle
I just adapted my post sync strength ones I used
dark osprey
where is treestorm btw
grand trout
Hello y'all
dark osprey
for presyn on type it should be regular 2K plus 300 pts std damage reduction, 100 pts physical or special damage reduction, 50 pts striker or tech damage x3 and 50 pts maybe interference immunity
grand trout
How are y'all 12.5k runs
frosty axle
mine are easy
solemn pine
is standard damage reduction good to take if you are purely using on-type teams?
grand trout
I had trouble with agatha
frosty axle
is standard damage reduction good to take if you are purely using on-type teams?
of course
grand trout
is standard damage reduction good to take if you are purely using on-type teams?
Yep it's a no brainer
dark osprey
agatha is slightly bulky
dusty yarrow
It was nice... (I can't say its easy until I feel what a 12.5k Hoenn, Sinnoh or Kalos feels like)
frosty axle
sdr is like -2 move gauge
grand trout
agatha is slightly bulky
Had to stack SE up next so that bpcanduce can nuke her
grand trout
regular candice has a better nuke
Idk, I'm feeling very meh on her
dusty yarrow
Here's my Freeze Cringe Team against Agatha
keen jasper
With my F2P clear against 
, I needed Skyla and Drake
frosty axle
I used my usual Agatha team
dusty yarrow
Yes, I play for rng and post-sync
grand trout
Everyone says Candice has an insane nuke, but i feel very underwhelmed. Maybe because mine is not exed
shrewd oyster
BP Candice good actually because Froslass is based
dark osprey
yeah freeze synergy is a bit too rng though
grand trout
Besides bp candice is special
Perfect for my special supprtsy
Sipports
...i can't spell right today
shrewd oyster
I had every intent to use BP Candice this week but she's special while Kyurem N is physical so I had to bench her
swift swan
where is treestorm btw
haven't seen them in so long
dark osprey
Everyone says Candice has an insane nuke, but i feel very underwhelmed. Maybe be...
maybe the grid. need to proc the super preparation, max speed and attack if possible
keen jasper
...i can't spell right today
Editing: Am I a joke to you?
swift swan
How are y'all 12.5k runs
the difficulty increase was barely noticeable
frosty axle
maybe the grid. need to proc the super preparation, max speed and attack if poss...
I dont use super prep what you mean?
does fine without it
dark osprey
why wouldn't u use super prep
swift swan
Here's my Freeze Cringe Team against Agatha
wow a lorelei user
dark osprey
its nice usually
frosty axle
why wouldn't u use super prep
for hail MPR
shrewd oyster
How are y'all 12.5k runs
I personally needed slightly more RNG (specifically MP refreshes on Bruno and making sure I could take out Agatha's sides before they took me out) but otherwise same old same old really
dark osprey
ah. that's weird. hail MPR is usually not needed right
frosty axle
maybe if you not doing F@P
grand trout
I personally needed slightly more RNG (specifically MP refreshes on Bruno and ma...
What did you use for granny
dark osprey
maybe if you not doing F@P
curious to know what team for f2P? maybe without ghetsis right?
grand trout
the difficulty increase was barely noticeable
I was do surprised that sycamore can't poke with horn leecg because I'm sure that i didn't activate ally healing-5
dark osprey
ghetsis candice and any support would be nice i guess
dusty yarrow
back in my olden days, I've run
- Ghetsis/Pryce/Sycamore for Ice Weak
*A true f2p Ice team
grand trout
ghetsis candice and any support would be nice i guess
Desperately needs gauge
dark osprey
Standard damage -8 🤦♂️
oh yeah. that sucks
with ghetsis grid upgrade can manage without
can bring in Sycamore if needed
dark osprey
candice
grand trout
Still NOT impressed with her nuke
dark osprey
if not can get someone to supprt ghetsis nuke as well
swift swan
I was do surprised that sycamore can't poke with horn leecg because I'm sure tha...
as far as I know ally healing -5 doesn't affect vampire moves like that
grand trout
Should i ex her?
swift swan
it only affects potions/recuperation/synchro healing etc
grand trout
as far as I know ally healing -5 doesn't affect vampire moves like that
Yeah it was due to sd-8
grand trout
it only affects potions/recuperation/synchro healing etc
It affects good as new, for a reason
dark osprey
Should i ex her?
not necessary. can bring in Lucian instead of candice then
grand trout
not necessary. can bring in Lucian instead of candice then
Actually maybe i ought to
Purple candice looks nice anyways
dark osprey
so special defense debuffs along with attack debuffs for ghetsis nuke
grand trout
What is this truth ism you speak of?
dark osprey
i guess if not already, then it will not grow on you
swift swan
grand trout
Here's my Freeze Cringe Team against Agatha
Is lorelei usable now
shrewd oyster
What did you use for granny
kyurem N / abomasnow candice / melony (2/5)
dark osprey
Is lorelei usable now
still not very
shrewd oyster
unfortunate
I was really hoping her grid would make her good (not that she'd suddenly be top tier but)
dusty yarrow
I run 2 Candices back then
grand trout
We're in an era were glacia is a good mainstay in ice teams
shrewd oyster
Why Cynthia in that team comp?
grand trout
Whereas lorelei isn't
dusty yarrow
Is lorelei usable now
She's a bit "Niche", you can probably make her work but she needs a bit of team building (I just use her there as a Freezer, there are better for this niche role like Glacia or Ghetsis but I was cuz Kanto-Johto Clear)
dusty yarrow
Why Cynthia in that team comp?
Moral Support (There was no Fighting weak at that time so I just chuck her in there)
dark osprey
cynthia is based
grand trout
She's a bit "Niche", you can probably make her work but she needs a bit of team ...
She's not the best freeze we have no?
I think the best is still sillver
old orchid
the best is Holiday Leon
formal vigil
Holiday Leon is
old orchid
Lorelei has 30% freeze, which is the good standard
grand trout
Oh wow
old orchid
or 55%, i dont remember much
dusty yarrow
30% and 40% freeze chance is still a flip coin in my ice eyes, you just have to pray for RNGesus... I guess
just run Pryce on Hail instead on the gimmicky Freeze Synergy
dark osprey
yeah. hail pryce better
old orchid
They stack with the addition effects param, no?
yes to the ones with freeze as the secondary effect of their move
grand trout
Gakon how's your mm
old orchid
the freeze from Cold Snap isnt boosted
old orchid
Gakon how's your mm
very easy 
grand trout
I expect nothing less of you
tribal agate
grand trout
I fear for sinnoh, kalos, and hoenn with...these though
dusty yarrow
I should probably prepare for the CS Event, when does it start?
shrewd oyster
Moral Support<:IrisDerp:746569630960713759> (There was no Fighting weak at that ...
LOL fair enough
neon kiln
is 12.5k up right now? i need to wait till next week before i can try MM
trim robin
Yea I spammed hp and str and I'm like hoenn is gonna be pain
swift swan
I fear for sinnoh, kalos, and hoenn with...these though
I think it shouldn't be too bad
old orchid
I should probably prepare for the CS Event, when does it start?
#1012256199128915968 has dates
old orchid
I fear for sinnoh, kalos, and hoenn with...these though
it will be fun 
swift swan
with wise entry/sentry entry you're already encouraged to use one type of damage anyway
neon kiln
will there be a guide for the 12.5k parameter?
swift swan
will there be a guide for the 12.5k parameter?
eventually
whenever these helpers are gonna get to work
(me, I'm these helpers)
old orchid
we are making the new guide
neon kiln
old orchid
the progress: zero
neon kiln
cool, thanks for the hard work xD
dusty yarrow
I used a modified Treestorm's Params for 12.5k
swift swan
for now you can take the current params and add extra 500 points and ask for feedback here
neon kiln
I see, i prolly will do that next week
i need to finish the 18 elements first
alr got 15 down
such a shame for missing 1 week of MM reward
dusty yarrow
everyone is in experiment mode for the Params as of now
old orchid
new params open up more flexibility
dusty yarrow
Probably when Sinnoh, Hoenn or Kalos 12.5k CS arrive but its too early to say (also, maybe Complex is not the word but Harder)
dusty yarrow
Wait... Idk if its derp me but... does the "Can't Change Weather, Terrain, and Zone", apply on opponents as well or only yourself?
shrewd oyster
I was actually wondering that too because that may make some maps easier but I wouldn't imagine so
swift swan
new params open up more flexibility
this, 100%. which makes it hard to pinpoint a "recommended" parameter
now it's harder to say "if you want to replace something, replace it with strength" because now you have a lot more options
swift swan
Wait... Idk if its derp me<:IrisDerp:746569630960713759> but... does the "Can't ...
I imagine it'll just be on our end, same with "no stat reduction" parameter, but who knows
swift swan
What's the keyword for quadqueueing again
queue 1: sync
queue 2: ally 1 move
queue 3: ally 2 move
Ally syncs
queue 4: you tap quickly and frantically
Enemy queues a move
swift swan
basically you queue a move with your syncer right after they finished syncing
oh we don't have a command for quadqueue
just triplequeue
grand trout
Oh can i see it
swift swan
we have a video on quadqueue though, check pins. though the helpers are working on a revamped one
+triplequeue
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Using moves will reduce its cooldown, which is also the case for the opponent!
This is why you always want all your pairs on the field to have moves queue'd.
Have 3 ally moves in between each 1 enemy move, even at the start!
After 9 moves, you can wait to queue your Sync.
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grand trout
Merci
dusty yarrow
I still can't Quadqueue properly when a Terrain, Weather or Zone timed its end
but it kinda solves itself for me doing post-sync clear...
swift swan
exactly, you can't
grand trout
I can't quadqueue properly on unova and hoenn at all
swift swan
when a field effect expires, the enemy will immediately queue a move, destroying your normal quadqueue window
old orchid
you can delay using field effects
old orchid
yeah you can quad queue by using a max move at the start
and quickly queue a move afterwards
frosty axle
Here is my 12.5k points F2P run for week 1 https://youtu.be/CGRxyk2AASQ
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dark osprey
ah. now i understand why u need the hail MPR
dark osprey
yes
short glacier
That's basically free
onyx ice
1st 1250 with -3 sync to all battles
onyx ice
That's basically free
However you can't help your DPS with offtype tech and support
keen jasper
https://youtu.be/vHLEZ_FcP3M
This is my own F2P clear
onyx ice
It's more that offtyiping is a bit harder
short glacier
Most of the time, I offtype when there is a fairy weak stage in CS
Since I almost have no fairy sync pair, except sycamore
onyx ice
You just have to slot 300 more points
short glacier
that's gonna be fun when they do a CS kinda like the one of next week where it's everything grass weak
but fairy weak instead
dark osprey
poison stall ftw
dark osprey
poison stall is now easier than 1.5K now according to my calcs
old orchid
However you can't help your DPS with offtype tech and support
if you dont do dual damage dealer strat, that param is still free even if the tech is offtype
and who cares about supports' damage anyway?
onyx ice
I mean more for stuffs like dojo Gloria tech
dark osprey
yeah. offtype damage not doing much is sad
does take away quite a bit of flexibility in teams
onyx ice
Champion Bede also liked to chip with b freezing glare
Not that a big of a deal however
onyx ice
with metronome
Just stick with flying weak nuke and fly as she's supposed to be used
dark osprey
poor thing. the selling point was in dual strike teams
now no metronome as well
fly is not bad but still exactly 3 uses at lower move levels
onyx ice
Detective Steven sync nuke is now pretty pointless in mm
But he's mainly a on type supporting unit, so he still wins
dusty yarrow
I had run Lillie Striker (or made Mina work Pre-Grid and Post-Grid, or Sycamore Striker), during the times I don't have any strong Fairy Strikes
now I have Diantha and NY Lisia (although 1/5)
Im retrying Lillie Striker again for 12.5k
dark osprey
can't even aoe marnie
takes at least 2 of them. with protect at least 3 or 4 i guess
onyx ice
With my setup the problem isn't Marnie getting hit
I would like to pick all the X3 damage + stats ↑ 3
dark osprey
then get Piers & Lisia maybe
onyx ice
Probabily 2.5k offtype for my Marnie setup is easier than 2k old
onyx ice
then get Piers & Lisia maybe
My setup is full sync countdown
dark osprey
yeah. piers & lisia have endures i guess
and u will be tanking with Marnie right
so full offence
onyx ice
and u will be tanking with Marnie right
Yes
But the point is that I have to sync turn 2
So the other 2 must be sync accellerators
dark osprey
oh. can probably 1 shot with a support EX boosted B fiery wrath
onyx ice
I guess c calem + SS Cynthia (kommo) should work if the opponent AOE turn 1
dusty path
What exactly is the increase in rewards again? Is up to 10k the same and after that is just extra, or is up to 10k spread out more?
onyx ice
oh. can probably 1 shot with a support EX boosted B fiery wrath
I sync with 6ex Marnie
dark osprey
oh. isn't it better with support EX for the B Fiery wrath boost?
onyx ice
oh. isn't it better with support EX for the B Fiery wrath boost?
Supp ex doesn't deny right side turn 2
dark osprey
What exactly is the increase in rewards again? Is up to 10k the same and after t...
rewards are +15 PU tickets and 10 CS Spirits
onyx ice
And i can't select b fiery wrath until the support ex sync is completely finished
dark osprey
yeah. the quad queue is possible but even i don't like it
dusty path
rewards are +15 PU tickets and 10 CS Spirits
Ah... Not great, but not bad ig. Thanks!
dark osprey
What exactly is the increase in rewards again? Is up to 10k the same and after t...
can take on type std damage reduction for 300 pts, special/physical damage reduction for 100 pts & 50 pts each for striker/tech damage *3 and interference immunity
onyx ice
yeah. the quad queue is possible but even i don't like it
But if i sync with Marnie the mid still takes damage from the sync, and b fiery wrath with the pmun hits harder
dusty path
can take on type std damage reduction for 300 pts, special/physical damage reduc...
Yeah I managed this week 12.5k, just wondering exactly the extra rewards
onyx ice
Don't even know if it's possible to queue b fiery wrath just after supp ex sync to deny the right turn 2
But I don't think is even worth doing so
Marnie sync hits pretty hard
Marnie sync + b fiery wrath 1.5x boosted is probably better than support sync + b fiery wrath 2x boosted
swift swan
What exactly is the increase in rewards again? Is up to 10k the same and after t...
15 and 10 
onyx ice
Even assuming that is possible to queue b fiery wrath after support ex
dusty path
15 <:iPowerUpTicket:761649239058284615> and 10 <:iChampSpirit:799683239241318430...
Alright, so up to 10k is still the same as it was before, thanks
west loom
I saw that the CS reset happened. I thought it was meant to be all grass weaknesses from the datamine. Or did i understand something wrong?
tribal agate
the grass weaknesses is another special CS happening next week
it's another content apart from the usual CS
west loom
Oh ok i got that mixed up. Thank you
onyx ice
the grass weaknesses is another special CS happening next week
Does that have MM too? Or is just regular CS?
tribal agate
it has MM yes last i checked
onyx ice
I like the new no zone/weather/terrain option, at least now if you don't have field you are less crippled since you get free 150 points
late grove
me waiting for 2 weeks just finally test out +10 poison jab on looker
onyx ice
Ice was the type i was struggling (a tiny bit) more, this week i destroyed it 2.5k thanks to detective Steven + Hala combo
Still unova CS however
dark osprey
Nuke Candice is great too
swift swan
ghetsis erasure
dark osprey
Yeah actually Candice does need some DPS help
onyx ice
Just tried offtyiping with c Marnie, is even easier than before
austere quest
So is the HP Ups worth to hit if it means that you have to tank a Sync?
dark osprey
Just tried offtyiping with c Marnie, is even easier than before
How's it easier than before?
austere quest
Because I think that’s the only difference to my paras is grabbing HP UP 8 and Strength UP 6
onyx ice
How's it easier than before?
More than 500 free points even without standard reduction
At least for my comp
dark osprey
That wouldn't make it easier than the old 2k right?
onyx ice
Tech/strike/support take X3 damage + 200
Interference immunity +50
Physical damage down +100
Stats ↑3 + 100
No zone +150
onyx ice
That wouldn't make it easier than the old 2k right?
As long as the opponent doesn't AOE turn 1
However i can still replace SS Elesa with C calem just in case
dark osprey
Nice. Doesn't seem to be easier than 2K though. A bit more risky I guess
austere quest
Woah Bruno is an absolute joke wtf
I used the Frogs+SSGinger and killed him PreSync
That B Move killed the sides completely and made it so Bruno was pretty much dead
dark osprey
That is not at all overkill
onyx ice
Nice. Doesn't seem to be easier than 2K though. A bit more risky I guess
If the opponent can't AOE turn 1 isn't riskier
If it can c calem still covers it