Champion Stadium

[lethal cloud]

never even encountered it once

[onyx ice]

Yes it has, but isn't scripted

[lethal cloud]

yeah, im extremely lucky that she never even tried to use it

[onyx ice]

For me wasn't a big deal to get headsmashed turn 1

[lethal cloud]

and during the fight the sides were the 1s that got KO'd first as well before her

[onyx ice]

Courtney only purpose was to set gorund zone and sacrifice to the headsmash

[lethal cloud]

[frosty axle]

I will post my F2P run in half an hour here

[undone ether]

basically kek

[prime warren]

I used courtney , cynthia and lodge raihan

And lodge raihan didn't die at all

[undone ether]

mad 😮

[prime warren]

I love the ticket
5/5 cynthia so good with him

[onyx ice]

Used the ticket to get Diantha

I was missing c iris and diantha

I felt like diantha was a better pick

[prime warren]

I still miss alder and ciris

[onyx ice]

She may end up as a lodge unit

[prime warren]

But decided to 4/5 cyn

And then candy her

[onyx ice]

While i doubt ciris would be a lodge unit ever

Plus 1/5 ciris isn't that great

At least 1/5 diantha has good dps

[prime warren]

Well ciris don't have expansions

She got potential but it's still a 3/5 investment

[onyx ice]

Yes but i was picking for 1/5

Diantha felt better at 1/5

Definitely don't want to get 5/5 ciris

[undone ether]

i went with lance

[verbal karma]

...my god

[undone ether]

since i have everyone. except for 1/5 diantha, and alder.

[prime warren]

True
1/5 Diantha defo workable for fairy weak unlike ciris

[onyx ice]

I'm considering to go form 3 to 4/5 with alder

[undone ether]

;o

[verbal karma]

Why can Head Smash just remove an entire health bar from Lodge Elesa?

[onyx ice]

My bug roster isn't the bestest

[verbal karma]

even with the speed buffs removed

[keen jasper]

Because high BP

And also the parameters you put in

[onyx ice]

Lodge Elesa isn't the bulkiest of them all

[undone ether]

its... nothing to write about.... uwu...

[keen jasper]

Lodge Elesa doesn't buff defense

[verbal karma]

Man, and november suggested Strength ^1 instead of Max HP ^2, doing the former would only worsen the Head Smash 😦

[keen jasper]

I think ground-weak Diantha is all physical

[verbal karma]

Good thing I am sticking with Max HP ^2 then

[prime warren]

It is

Bring smth like skyla

[manic kiln]

even bertha is a better tank than lodge elesa

[prime warren]

Or dawn

[onyx ice]

I just saw that headsmash and the side tried to use rock slide

[undone ether]

i did everything with +6 Power, all DEF and HP... o-o

[keen jasper]

My SS Gio just buried her Tyrantrum to being extinct

[old orchid]

Dont recommend them these params

[onyx ice]

Same

[verbal karma]

She doesn't buff Crit, though

How about Kiawe instead?

[keen jasper]

Can I see your supports?

[prime warren]

What are you running for that stage?

[onyx ice]

Don't think tyrantrum could AOE turn 1

[manic kiln]

bertha buffs crit

[verbal karma]

R1 gimmick + pre-sync but with Max HP ^2 instead of No Stat Reduction

[prime warren]

......

I am asking team

[keen jasper]

And I ask what your supports

[verbal karma]

Oooooooh
In that case: Bertha/Naomi/Lodge Elesa

[verbal karma]

Hold on, I am still answering Blaziken

[prime warren]

Don't you have fucking zygarde

[manic kiln]

ditch lodge elesa

[keen jasper]

Bertha has crit buff

[verbal karma]

You guys are too fast for me

[prime warren]

1/5 still does the stage

[manic kiln]

bertha can max crit with tm and team sharp entry

[onyx ice]

I mean few units can tank am head smash with offensive parameters i think

[prime warren]

Zygarde, courtney, skyla
Do it

Ez win

[verbal karma]

Ah, shoot, she does!

[onyx ice]

It's basically a giga impact

[manic kiln]

when you don't read

[prime warren]

He has a 1/5 zygarde
And still using Naomi

Idek what to say

[verbal karma]

I don't have Courtney

[prime warren]

Then zygarde+2 supports

PH5 is in base kit

Just have to sync with zygarde

[swift swan]

Zygarde wrecks ground stages, can confirm

[marsh crater]

I have ss erika 2/5 can beat siebold 2k?

[frosty axle]

F2P 10000 points Week 4 #1079735691786850344 message https://youtu.be/jJOUqrJdHMs

[lunar meadow]

Monotype siebold and wikstrom were tough this week.

Aoe accuracy drops... The nerve

[frosty axle]

thats why using two impervious units is good 😄

unfortunately I don't think we have many in mono

[dull yarrow]

That or Downside Up

[verbal karma]

Skyla was a bad idea 😦

She is Rock-weak and she ALSO gets insta-killed by Head Smash

Is there seriously no support who can survive Head Smash without Endurance?

[zealous karma]

Sonia took 400 damage from jt and survived

Hop can likely survive too

[lunar meadow]

What in the rngesus?

I watched the siebold fight, and they didn't just spam muddy water for you on the first 3 hits...

[verbal karma]

Hop, got it!

[lunar meadow]

I don't think I saw head smash at all.
Hippowdon/Excadrill/Garchomp won on second sync

[frosty axle]

it takes a few tries to get a good start

I resetted until it didnt use it until Xerneas synced

[lunar meadow]

I just opened with light screen on Meganium.

They got one accuracy drop off on Sceptile, but it didn't matter. He still landed the two hits he needed to, with Leafeon cleaning up

[frosty axle]

I went with Decidueye on my normal run and flinched with Celebi

[zealous karma]

Siebold has muddy water til

[lunar meadow]

I wouldn't eat at his restaurant, that's for sure.

[marsh crater]

Alright siebold 1.5 k no problem. Ss erika 2/5 silver unboosted and sycamore

Just need rng not 1 hit ko my hooh

Muddy water just flush me out

[verbal karma]

Wait, who will debuff speed then?

Because debuffing speed is an absolute requirement due to Ramming Speed

[main crow]

Debuff? That's hunter instinct and cakewalk

Ramming speed is more speed

[manic mica]

The team kinda dont make sense but pain

[verbal karma]

I know, that's what I am saying

I am trying to PREVENT the opponent's Ramming Speed

[frosty axle]

Change Torterra for something else lol

[main crow]

Oh the opponent

[verbal karma]

I also need a Defense Debuffer, actually, due to Tough Sync on the opponent

[frosty axle]

Meganium/Celebi/Sceptile would be best

[manic kiln]

it is not required tho why do you have to put every single thing in a team

[zealous karma]

Same wth!

[verbal karma]

I need a Speed debuffer and a Defense debuffer in order to make sure I don't die

[main crow]

Who are you fighting?

[manic kiln]

[verbal karma]

R5 Diantha

[main crow]

Oh

[keen jasper]

Diantha

[main crow]

Thousand waves is physical iirc yeah?

[keen jasper]

Yes

[main crow]

I personally use kukui to lower defense

[zealous karma]

If you don’t have Courtney I’d cry

[swift swan]

no? zerena is just fine to beat ground stages on her own

[verbal karma]

I don't have Courtney

[prime warren]

I used cynthia
And zerena has better playstyle and higher dmg ceiling

[verbal karma]

Zerena is sadly very MG hungry, though

[prime warren]

If zerena cant do it, no other ground unit can

Except maybe Maxie

What hungry?

[verbal karma]

I don't have Maxie

[prime warren]

That's what support are you using

Bring shit like Skyla

Dawn

[verbal karma]

Skyla dies too fast

[zealous karma]

She’s weak to rock

Anti skyla tech

[verbal karma]

The only supports that have any suvivability in R5 Diantha are Hop (and supposedly Sonia)

[prime warren]

Skyla has def up

Totally can be secondary tank

[verbal karma]

Not enough!

I tried!

[prime warren]

I said secondary tank

[verbal karma]

Hmm...and who would be primary?

and more importantly, what about the debuffing?

[prime warren]

What debuffs?

Why are you so obsessed with debuffs

Also idk what you got

[verbal karma]

Hello? Diantha has Ramming Speed and Tough Sync

[prime warren]

So ig I'd say redlax+Skyla

Doesn't matter

[verbal karma]

I don't have Redlax

[prime warren]

You kill before sync

See

[manic mica]

Thats wormadam

[prime warren]

Idk what you got

[verbal karma]

I am literally unable to kill before sync, sadly

[prime warren]

A no ramming spd headsmash would still hurt like hell

[verbal karma]

Hold on, lemme send you my full support list first

[prime warren]

Coz it's a 190 BP move

[verbal karma]

My supports so far

[keen jasper]

You have Jampharos and EleSSa to support Naomi

[prime warren]

Naomi better than zerena for diantha?

[verbal karma]

But doesn't Naomi want Sandstorm?

[keen jasper]

Yeah, so use one of them. I only listed your best supports

[verbal karma]

Oh

Okay, will try SS Elesa first due to sync accel

[keen jasper]

Well, she'll definitely die to Head Smash

[manic kiln]

want a fun team I tanked and also dealing dmg with bertha. the other 2 has def crush as lucky skill and they drop both speed and def. Poison + stealth rock + trap = goodbye

[verbal karma]

...she actually doesn't die to Head Smash, funnily enough

But it sadly doesn't matter

[trail smelt]

Yeah honestly I didn’t find Diantha to deal much damage

Not sure what her gimmick was

[verbal karma]

even with SS Elesa's support, I still can't KO Diantha before she syncs

[mellow linden]

It's gonna be rough due to that Head Smash, but Poison stall is an option if offense clears fail

[zealous karma]

Sselesa is very bulky despite her lack of defensive buffing she was the bulkiest unit before SSB iirc

[grand trout]

Max quake's damage to diantha is so satisfying

[swift swan]

her defenses are good, her HP pool is unfortunately not

[grand trout]

I thought her gimmick was evasion

[zealous karma]

I heard her debuff gimmick was debuffs wastn expecting evasion ines tho

[austere quest]

So today was odd because I made a mistake in doing Siebold R4

So I had to Offtype him with SSDiantha

Which managed to just killed him Post Sync because I didn’t proc a Crit on my Nuke so I did like nothing (11k)

But Hilda really managed to kill the sides for me which I enjoyed

[grand trout]

R4 is nerfed special right?

[austere quest]

Make use of SpAtk Reduction to Battle Opponents with High SpAtk

[grand trout]

Yeah nerfed special lol

[austere quest]

Yeah

[grand trout]

Why is r4 siebold bad exactly

All your grass are specials?

[swift swan]

R4 is just special shields on entry. they get ignored by crit anyway

[grand trout]

Yeah they dl

[austere quest]

Wait

[grand trout]

If anything it's a boon for you because siebold deals less damage to you

[austere quest]

Does it not boost his own SpAtk?

[grand trout]

Nope

[austere quest]

Huh

[grand trout]

That's r2

[austere quest]

Anyways I couldn’t clear him at all with my Sun Teams

[grand trout]

Why is hilda there?

Og or ss?

Oh sc

[austere quest]

All died before First Sync

[grand trout]

Because diantha

[austere quest]

Yeah I had to Offtype it with my Rock Zone Team

[sinful garden]

bruh that diantha head smash caught me off guard 💀

[grand trout]

At any rate, it's nice you cleared it lol

[sinful garden]

oneshotted my support

[austere quest]

I killed almost everyone Pre-Sync today too

Very relaxed week

[grand trout]

I postsynced diantha

I'm lucky she didn't use head smash on ingo

[sinful garden]

i pre synced it i just had to reset to avoid head smash being used turn 1

[austere quest]

Frogs are OP, Perma Field Effects are OP, SSDiantha is OP, SSteven is OP

[zealous karma]

Ouch what are the odds of that double crit rock slide and flinch in my blue

[austere quest]

SSTR is fair and balanaced

[grand trout]

I'm sad i couldn't clear wikstrom with wally

I had to resort to fighting!gladion

[austere quest]

I just used SSTR for that

[zealous karma]

Why not use fighting gladion and wally tigether

[grand trout]

I try to ontype as much as possible

[austere quest]

Was not going to ontype it

Next time though

[grand trout]

I need defense boosts, otherwise the eqs will kill me

[zealous karma]

I take it no SSMorty then

[grand trout]

I used aaron, cred and gladion

[grand trout]

Oh i do dang why haven't i thought of that lol

At any rate it's cleared now

[zealous karma]

lel

Oh my gosh leave him alone

[grand trout]

This has the same energy as the cleffa pic

[zealous karma]

The one that’s like debuffed in every stat and has sticky web?

If so real

[grand trout]

Yeah lol

[zealous karma]

Crying

They just crit blue and he took 1K damage

[grand trout]

Wait

Who's your dps there

[zealous karma]

Nobody

I killed the sides from chip trap/spikes damage killed disntha with Bertha nuke lel

[grand trout]

Oh oop

Yeah i think either Courtney or bertha can kill diantha but the sides will pose a problem

Well as long as it turned out well for you lol

[zealous karma]

I beat it somehow lel

Trap and rocks dealt like 6K to the sides fair and balanced

[grand trout]

Now we rejoice for beating the hardest cs of 2023...yet

[zealous karma]

I’ll miss Kalos it was difficult but super fun

[grand trout]

I won't miss that fighting wikstrom

[zealous karma]

Me either doing that on 3K was pain even with SCDiantha

Finished my theme for this week wow shauntal is not bad as a DPS

I saw someone typing and now they aren’t I hope it wasn’t a question asking for help because now I’d feel poorly

[full mesa]

He is.

[proud axle]

He vaporizes everything equally!

[prime warren]

Any suggestions to help me improve my offtype teams? 👀

I want to keep my presets less cluttered as possible

Shared my supports and ig most my high end dps already in there

[zealous karma]

Why is the strength of this team so low Omg

[prime warren]

Mostly for CS speedruns of sorts

Idk

[proud axle]

Red's stats are actually on the low side

[prime warren]

Oh yea it's coz it's redirected from kalos stuff

[proud axle]

"only" 336 attack. His massive power comes from high BP and elec terrain

[manic dust]

Who's a good support to pair with Gio and Bianca for Drasna 850 CSMM?

[prime warren]

OK so anyway I can improve those?

For 850 Roxanne should be fine

[manic dust]

Okay, thanks!

[prime warren]

She gives spd and spl atk

[manic dust]

Yeah, good point

[proud axle]

Bianca won't be able to crit, but you can just skip the special shield

[zealous karma]

Ah

[manic dust]

Ohh okay, so replace that with a str up?

[proud axle]

You could, or if you have 3/5 Sabrina, you could put her on the team. I think I read that this week is Special-heavy in general?

[manic dust]

I only have Sabrina at 1/5 unfortunately 😦

[proud axle]

But if this is for Drasna, Poison and Toxic are concerns...

[manic dust]

Yeah, toxic is no bueno

[proud axle]

Is Sycamore on another team already?

[manic dust]

Yeah, but I can move him around if I have to. Grass is kinda weak for me so I want him for Siebold

[proud axle]

Hm...now I'm curious about your Grass options. Maybe we can make it work, and free Sycamore up for use with your Psychic team that way

[prime warren]

Well he's only asking 850 pts

[prime warren]

So I don't think toxic is much of an issue if that's the case

[manic dust]

All I got on grass

[prime warren]

3/5 Brendan

And silver is free to set up sun

And solar beam

[manic dust]

Ahhh smart smart I didn't think about Silver

[proud axle]

Gardenia can counter the acc drops by either inverting them to acc raises or just gridding for Sunny Disposition

If we're going with a sun team, then your best support is probably Lyra

No solarize at 2/5, but Silver has it, so...

Just give him every sync

[manic dust]

I'll play around with that, thank you!

So Lyra, Brendan, Silver?

[proud axle]

Yeah, and optionally swapping Brendan for Gardenia if the acc drops are driving you crazy

[manic dust]

Okay cool, thanks! I'll try that out

[proud axle]

That way Sycamore is free for your psychic team; if you can hold out long enough for Toxic to land, Sycamore can clean it off the team with his TM and you're back in business

[manic dust]

Perfect! Thanks so much!

[prime warren]

Oh yea sycamore would be missing hits anyways

Also try to reset for less muddy waters

Coz it's the most annoying move

[manic dust]

Ugh, yeah, I'm not happy that's in there lol

[prime warren]

Nice now someone help me with offtype cores

Me need to unga bunga CS as much as possible

[proud axle]

Um. Cyrus in rain, double frogs in rain, TBolt Red, Anni N in sun, and... Ash Ketchum?

[manic dust]

Hahahahaha I am an idiot. Kept wondering why Bianca wasn't working and why Drasna was handing it to me. I didn't have her gridded lol

[proud axle]

o o o f

That happens sometimes

[manic dust]

Yeah, but fun when you do the grid and then curbstomp the boss lol

[onyx ice]

I feel like this is the only 100% mathematically guaranteed on type team that i can use

Maybe Anabel instead of jasmine would work, don't remember if Anabel has mist effect too

[nocturne pawn]

she doesnt have no stat drop

[onyx ice]

Then only jasmine i guess

Even if she's weak to water she can take a muddy water with light screen on

[nocturne pawn]

yeah wikstrom was cringe until i managed to abuse the r4 param to keep him alive

[onyx ice]

I don't think there's anything that Siebold can do against that team to avoid his demise

[zealous karma]

I just used the funky Monke

[nocturne pawn]

ss brendan was actually helpful

[zealous karma]

That makes jt sound like there’s a situation where he wouldn’t be lel

[onyx ice]

Yes i cleared the stage, but I'm not satisfied if i can't clear it with a team that can't mathematically lose

[zealous karma]

Any team with SSLyra

[trail smelt]

What does mathematically lose mean

[nocturne pawn]

well for the comp i was running

he drops spdef which stops brute wits and he has spdef to let me tank sync if it came to that

but it didn’t

[onyx ice]

That no matter what RNG or Siebold choices i can't lose

[trail smelt]

Oh I don’t care about finding the perfect solution haha

Whatever works works

[onyx ice]

Yes isn't necessary, but for master mode i like doing this challange

[swift swan]

That's a very unrealistic expectation for a game that's all about RNG

[onyx ice]

That's the point, being so op that even the RNG can't do anything about that

[trail smelt]

But

You’re not using any of your op units

[paper summit]

Tbf RNG isn't much of a factor when your units are at a certain power level

[onyx ice]

If i get accuracy down and no piercing gaze, i consider that a fail cuz it's mathematically possible to fail all the hits

Even if the unit is ultra op

[swift swan]

Good luck collecting units with piercing gaze then lol

If you want ontype, we have... Erika!

[formal vigil]

just flinch lock them with ss lyra

[swift swan]

She has tech EX too, how convenient!

[onyx ice]

Don't need piercing gaze

[swift swan]

[onyx ice]

I used jasmine

[nocturne pawn]

wait how shit is 3* erika

[proud axle]

Gardenia can grid for Sunny Disposition to become debuff-immune in sun

[formal vigil]

sycamore bulbasaur has impervious

[nocturne pawn]

but wasnt the secret strat using gardenia to reverse the debuffs

[proud axle]

that's the other option if you don't have sun or it expires

[nocturne pawn]

oh i shouldve used lodge sycamore

[proud axle]

Gardenia has two ways to deal with it

[nocturne pawn]

duh

[proud axle]

Hm, Lodge Sycamore might be a promising option too

[nocturne pawn]

his dps is pretty good

[proud axle]

Guess that means the support has to be either SSMorty or Lyra

[nocturne pawn]

leaf storm and toxic power 3

impervious too

[onyx ice]

Yes gardenia works but I don't think it will be math proof

[zealous karma]

26K nuke supp Ex on thpe with terrain

[proud axle]

Sycamore's problem is not having HE for Sludge bomb so his poison is kind of unreliable

...Oh. Screw that. There's Xerneas

[zealous karma]

Gaming eevee used both sycamores

[proud axle]

Yeah, it can work if you're not counting on the Poison multipliers

[onyx ice]

Maybe i could try something with Gardenia and holiday jasmine

[swift swan]

Horn leech sycamore, my favorite grass unit

[onyx ice]

Sycamore has impervious so he can't be debuffed

[nocturne pawn]

but his atk buffing is skow

hed probably just end up dying to everything

[onyx ice]

I guess support is needed

Like hilbert

[zealous karma]

E

[onyx ice]

He only has +1 crit

[proud axle]

Hilbert coincidentally also has Impervious

[nocturne pawn]

the more concerning part is like he doesn’t have atk besides shout or beef up

which is rng and slow regardless

[swift swan]

Beef up helps his atk buffs

I still wish it was team toughen up ngl

[proud axle]

Yeah, I'd want someone else providing the buffs here

Think, think, thonk...
I'm thinking I might use Maxie (TM gives acc), Lyra, and either Sycamore or Gardenia.

[nocturne pawn]

kind of unorthodox but you cant make me use naomi for this

also head smash wasnt actually that bad

kiawe took like 70% from it

but it wasnt like one shot material like we thought it’d be

[mellow linden]

Head Smash is just funny to see from an opponent

[nocturne pawn]

yeah

recoil removal 9

like bish die faster

[mellow linden]

What Roark dreams of having

Even with his grid

[swift swan]

It's like enemy Lance using his TM when he's almost dead but he has standfast 9 and only loses 10 HP

[proud axle]

You wouldn't want to use Naomi there anyway, with all the Satisfied Snarl flying around

[proud axle]

Anime hero moment I guess

[formal vigil]

damm feel so lucky diatha didn't use head smash for me.. guess rng like that sometimes

[nocturne pawn]

oh right its anti special

💀

actually

[proud axle]

I'm gonna have Cynthia stomp it. Show them what a real terrifying Champion is.

[onyx ice]

Even without any recoil reduction, the opponent wouldn't have took that much damage from recoil

We don't have that much HP compared to opponents

[proud axle]

Yeah, enemy HP is so much higher than player HP

In the main series, it's balanced by the fact that most fights are "fair"

Most enemies you meet, are things you could hypothetically have in your own party

Are people still mad about Lance having Dragonites that somehow evolved early

[swift swan]

Yes, yes I am

[onyx ice]

Even with 1000hp he would have took like 330hp of recoil

[onyx ice]

Lance's Dragonite used Barrier

[proud axle]

I mean in this case I'm just pointing out that it's a case of... the enemy having something you can't have in your party (a Dragonite below the evo threshold)

[onyx ice]

You can't have a Dragonite with Barrier

[proud axle]

Oh, so he cheats that way too

[swift swan]

Smh lance

This is why you can't have shit in Pasio

Oh wait, he's getting a good grid expansion

[proud axle]

I mean yeah there's that

The new 5/5 thing is kind of amazing?

[nocturne pawn]

can diantha get a 5/5 oh wait it sucks

[onyx ice]

If you can afford 5/5 he joins the club of the 1 click setup units

[nocturne pawn]

like dianrha’s 5/5 is so expensive and its like

tm propulsion is nice ig

initial synchro healing is a fucking meme

at least her 4/5 nodes are good

[proud axle]

6Atk, 6SpA, and... 2 stacks of crit right? And then one more move (e.g. potion) gives him the third crit?

[onyx ice]

Tm propulsion is great however

[formal vigil]

dianthas mostly just qol

[paper summit]

They went overboard, he already becomes amazing at 2/5, copies just go even further

[nocturne pawn]

eh i usually get at least a propulsion proc when i use her

tm propulsion just feels unnecessary unless you wanna sync like turn 2 or smth

[proud axle]

Diantha does want an early sync, for what that's worth. Needs her mega

[nocturne pawn]

i mean i still comfortably pre sync with her because moonblast go brr

it’d be nice if her 5/5 was like an extra move modifier

even if it was reliant on spatk drops

[onyx ice]

Yes but if you take burst in it can attack turn 2, but probably it can't afford that

[proud axle]

Ooh

[onyx ice]

Yes it can't afford burst in if you take accuracy too

[proud axle]

Maybe something like this? Though my Lance is only 1/5 (well, 2/5 after my freebie ticket)

4 energy left, could just throw it into Hyperbeam BP

Hm. Lance could also get another Sharp Entry from Lucky Cookies if we reeeaaally wanna start Hyper Beaming on Turn 2

But nah, I think I'd just use Critstrike2 and potion him for the extra crit instead

[onyx ice]

Yes is probably worth waiting a turn

[proud axle]

...And healing him after self-oofing half his HP

Rebalanced and upgraded grids... they just become this nigh-unreadable block of tiles

[onyx ice]

However i feel like 1/5 lance is still usable with Sabrina

[proud axle]

I've done it, though the setup turns were hell

[swift swan]

1/5 Lance has always been usable. He just needs complete offensive babysitting

[proud axle]

Especially since I like to use dual striker compositions and the other striker needs buffs too

[verbal karma]

This is the sync grid of someone who Hyper Beam'd countless of Blackbelts

[proud axle]

I have that medal

[nocturne pawn]

lance’s issue was never damage it was horrid setup that basically forced you into using sabrina if you actually wanted him to accomplish anything

[swift swan]

We need a special equivalent of Hilbert, preferably f2p

[nocturne pawn]

do you know a story stage with a black belt that i can unleash bluecanine on

[proud axle]

I mean yeah, he can easily grid for more SpAtk than Neochamp Marnie and has a higher-BP move

[swift swan]

Closest I can think of is roxanne, speed and sp atk

[nocturne pawn]

or alder

[onyx ice]

3/5 lance could have relied even on SC Lillie/jasmine

[proud axle]

EX Plaza... Marshall I think?

[onyx ice]

But 1/5 definitely needed Sabrina

[paper summit]

Some of the early story stages have a black belt

[proud axle]

Does a Team Break Masked Man count as a Black Belt?

[onyx ice]

Probably

[paper summit]

Yes

[nocturne pawn]

imagine your occupation being masked man

[proud axle]

Career criminal

[nocturne pawn]

ok i found one

[onyx ice]

He was part of team rocket back then

At least the one that got hyper beamed by lance

Don't remember if it was a masked man

But there was a black belt that talked about the hyper beam thing somewhere

[full mesa]

Yep. There is

[prime warren]

Would crit even be worth on him

Coz most supports nowadays buff crit

Like basically every T0 and T1 supports do

Could just go more sync tiles instead of crits

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/11100/14900?s=5&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFBgkMDxARFCYuLzU2Nzg5

[paper summit]

Not me completely blanking and forgetting Sycamore is weak to steel but using him for Wikstrom and winning anyway

[swift swan]

Using the wrong formula but getting the correct answer

[paper summit]

Failed successfully

[nocturne pawn]

task failed successfully

[onyx ice]

Like me who used jasmine against Siebold (but i knew she was weak to water)

Even if she wasn't my tank, the opponent uses AOE muddy water

At least she didn't had to tank hydro pumps

[latent eagle]

How are these teams for MM?

[onyx ice]

The Siebold one spams muddy water, you want to clear as fast as possible

[nocturne pawn]

brendan wants sun

[onyx ice]

Plus Brendan DPS isn't great without sun

[nocturne pawn]

rosa is redundant because he already maxes both offensive stats

[latent eagle]

I’ve never used Brendan in sun and he still KILLS

[mellow linden]

Do you have a 3/5 Hilbert or 3/5 Sonia available?

[nocturne pawn]

using sun with him makes him even better

[onyx ice]

Siebold is no ordinary man

[mellow linden]

Because I'm not liking how long it'd take Korrina to max her Attack

[nocturne pawn]

charging sun 5 is very powerful

[onyx ice]

He is super beefy

[latent eagle]

Ye

[mellow linden]

I'd recommend them over Cobalion then

[bleak vine]

Trying to do 2k MM Wikstrom and having trouble with DPS, which could I invest a bit into?

Not using Guzma cause he's 2/5 and I don't wanna rng this

[nocturne pawn]

you can try bea + 3/5 hilbert

[onyx ice]

Cobalion gives like an extra 20% multiplier i think

But doesn't buff attack

[nocturne pawn]

also sc diantha kinda needs 3/5 to do anything besides be a debuff bot

[onyx ice]

However Korinna can get +5 by her own

[onyx ice]

I guess 1/5 can still kinda dps

[mellow linden]

It takes a while, though, so I'm kinda iffy about it

[nocturne pawn]

ehh

[mellow linden]

Can try both and see what works, I guess

[nocturne pawn]

is sacred sword really that strong

[bleak vine]

I have a tech candy but I don't really wanna use it on SCDiantha 💀

[latent eagle]

how’s this? Bit worried about my diantha team tho as I do not have a lot of ground types

[prime warren]

If you don't want to candy scdiantha

Bring double dps

And nuke with other one

Like bea

[onyx ice]

160 bp at 1/5

[nocturne pawn]

yeah i dont think you need darach here

[prime warren]

I honestly don't like 1/5 scdiantha
She's pretty scuffed without aura Cyn

[low linden]

It's the debuff that's strong

[onyx ice]

168 considering 1/5 grid

[bleak vine]

It was mostly to get rid of the Steel Zone but it didn't pan out

[nocturne pawn]

besides being a debuff bot

[nocturne pawn]

you just have to deal with it

hilbert is kinda squishy

so i ended up using cobalion as a failsafe if he dies

[low linden]

4 bar move 168 bp is kinda ok-ish

[onyx ice]

Can't defog remove steel zone?

[nocturne pawn]

also wikstrom r4 can help if ur using hilbert

[low linden]

It's really the debuff that makes it stronger and stronger not the move itself

[nocturne pawn]

i mean yeah but darach is probably getting smacked silly

[bleak vine]

It can, but my Darach is squishy

[prime warren]

I just ran skyla and she tanked fine

[onyx ice]

But darach is free 150 points

[nocturne pawn]

you mean 300?

[latent eagle]

What order should I do the rounds?

[mellow linden]

I’m very iffy about the lack of Support on the Drasna team. If it has trouble try using Sycamore instead of either Giovanni or Lear

[prime warren]

But flash cannon hurts

[onyx ice]

Isn't crit shield 150 points?

[bleak vine]

I can try Bea, SC Diantha and Hilbert

[nocturne pawn]

oh durr

[nocturne pawn]

that could work

but like i said

hilbert is very squishy

and there is a chance he gets tbolted immediately and dropped into red

r4 param kinda stops that

[prime warren]

Flash cannon destroys anything without spl def up

[nocturne pawn]

nah for me it was iron head

r4 param stops tbolt and flash cannon from hurting too bad

iron head was 💀

[prime warren]

Oh I was running Skyla so iron head was a joke

[nocturne pawn]

yeah see i was running hilbert

snd hilbert defensive stats are kinda shitty

[prime warren]

Then I bought SCjasmine as secondary tank and did just fine

[nocturne pawn]

and elec weak

[onyx ice]

I used Aura Cynthia so it was a cakewalk

[nocturne pawn]

so 💀

[prime warren]

Yea Hilbert wants to finish fight early

[nocturne pawn]

thats why i brought cobalion

[prime warren]

So you need strong team

[nocturne pawn]

i couldnt even get a sync with him half the time

because the move rng was just not having it

[prime warren]

You have to fish for flinch

[nocturne pawn]

ejther tbolt right away or like tbolt after a flash cannon

[prime warren]

[nocturne pawn]

joy

[bleak vine]

Fighting and Psychic are my biggest unit issues so I'm like 🧍‍♂️

[nocturne pawn]

giovanni exists

[onyx ice]

Psychic has free Giovanni

[bleak vine]

Might just save Wikstrom for R4

[prime warren]

Giovanni works for psychic weak just fine

[nocturne pawn]

so imo psychic isnt a huge problem

[onyx ice]

Will is also really strong

[nocturne pawn]

fighting types are a bit more iffy

[nocturne pawn]

yeah do that

thats what i did

[onyx ice]

Bianca is gen pool in the scout ticket pool

[prime warren]

Fighting is nice once you get bea

[latent eagle]

Teams? Still worried about diantha

[prime warren]

Even 1/5 bea is very powerful

[nocturne pawn]

you can always off type

[grand steppe]

[nocturne pawn]

i think courtney and bertha should be fine though?

[onyx ice]

Bea is pretty solid and in the scout ticket pool

[latent eagle]

It’s MM so idk hopefully

[bleak vine]

Gio is fine , but I never got the spirits

So I've been deadass waiting for that event to come back

[nocturne pawn]

well good thing kanto va rerunning next month

even without ex hes good

[latent eagle]

Bestie I struggle with MM WITH the types that are effective I ain’t off typing

[prime warren]

As long as you have supp ex

Gio destroys the stage

[nocturne pawn]

off type is often easier than on typing for me lol

[prime warren]

Same

[latent eagle]

So glad for that….I need to EX him

[onyx ice]

I would consider Bea B tier in the f2p friendliness

[latent eagle]

What order should I do the rounds?

[onyx ice]

Depends on teams

Round 4 could protect from flash cannons or muddy water

[nocturne pawn]

muddy water doesnt hit that hard

[prime warren]

Why do I not see either of the kantrio in those teams?

[nocturne pawn]

r4 should be wikstrom imo cuz tbolt + flash cannon is a menace to society

[prime warren]

Muddy water just messes you with accuracy down

[nocturne pawn]

if you get hit by surf

[prime warren]

The damage isn't as notable

[nocturne pawn]

that can be a problem

[latent eagle]

Teams

[prime warren]

Even crit doesn't one shot dps

[mellow linden]

Is there a reason you need Sycamore on the Ground team?

[nocturne pawn]

also karen can solo dps malva if ir that worried about it

[prime warren]

I have no idea why Skyla is in "champion 4"

[mellow linden]

Because Giovanni currently isn’t getting any Sp. Atk. buffs and Sycamore would be a great Support instead of Hop there

[latent eagle]

Bc my lack of ground types hes tanking the hits

[nocturne pawn]

yeah hop and sycamore should swap

[nocturne pawn]

bertha can tank

like legit

shes actually not bad at that

also hes gonna get blown up by head smash

[prime warren]

No hop should be in champion 2
Sycamore in champion 3
Skyla in champion 5

[nocturne pawn]

he has 0 def buffs

[prime warren]

MR doesn't get crit

[mellow linden]

If Sycamore is only there to tank then you’d be better off replacing him with a different tank and using him to buff Giovanni

[prime warren]

Hop better be there

[latent eagle]

What would the kanto trio bring? And I’m assuming your talking about SS? I only have Red

[nocturne pawn]

kantrio is a free win for any stage basically

[prime warren]

Red is better than Brendan in champion 4
Coz piercing gaze

Brendan can miss

[nocturne pawn]

and ss red would be easier to use ya

[prime warren]

You have SSmorty

[nocturne pawn]

because he has sf5 and piercing gaze

[prime warren]

Run SSmorty, silver, SSred

Totally destroys that stage

[latent eagle]

Okay so how’s this?

[nocturne pawn]

id just drop mr

[prime warren]

Your dark team still looks like a meme

Also you have rat

[nocturne pawn]

he doesnt help with karen

[prime warren]

Use the rat

[nocturne pawn]

wait he does??

[prime warren]

Look at the bottom

Totally a rat

[nocturne pawn]

rats are literally 2 free ass stages every week

[prime warren]

[nocturne pawn]

💀💀💀

and yeah i see sst red now

[rigid flint]

Ground and dark teams gonna struggle

[mellow linden]

Replacing Masked Royal with someone to speed up Karen’s buffs is worth considering, but you can also try the team 1st and see if it works.

Also, yeah, SST Red is a free win for a stage, so definitely something to keep in mind

[rigid flint]

I’d replace Sonia with another support

[nocturne pawn]

karen just needs a crit buffer

[mellow linden]

Sonia’s fine as long as she’s 3/5

[latent eagle]

Ppl complain about the rats and then want me to use the rats……I do not understand this server……

[nocturne pawn]

she maxes her spatk pretty easily

[rigid flint]

The fighting team looks like overkill

[mellow linden]

Handles Korrina’s buffs

[prime warren]

People complain abt rats coz they are absurdly good

Not coz they are bad

[nocturne pawn]

we complain about the rats cuz they’re broken as shit but its also because ur intentionally making it harder for yourself for literally no reason

[prime warren]

If you have trouble with a stage

Just use em

[nocturne pawn]

like use sst red pls

[latent eagle]

The rats are over kill

[rigid flint]

Wouldn’t Korrina just have to get attack buffs?

[nocturne pawn]

i guarantee thats just a free 2k every week

[rigid flint]

No no I mean like overly done for

[mellow linden]

I don’t think anyone’s complained about using OPikachus as a back pocket option outside of recommending to split them across multiple teams

[rigid flint]

I just feel like Sonia is wasted in that slot and could be used with the ground team

[mellow linden]

If there’s a 3/5 Hilbert available then that’s definitely an option to consider

[rigid flint]

Not really wasted but better off in the ground team

[mellow linden]

Otherwise Sonia’s alright where she is

[latent eagle]

Its mostly in EBE the rats are complaining about which is funny when the whole point of an EBE is to beat it

[prime warren]

I highly recommend running rat in grass weak stage and run the SSmorty team for diantha

[nocturne pawn]

3rd anni trio or at least the two rats have been able to clear literally every single ebe to date

since their release

so yes that is justified in saying they are fucking overpowered

[latent eagle]

Okay multiple ppl are giving advice (thank you for it!) but it’s confusing af with multiple ppl saying who should go where

[nocturne pawn]

basically

[latent eagle]

Yeah and all I see in the EBE is complaints about it

[nocturne pawn]

sonia should go with the ground team

drop masked royal for a second support

cuz he doesnt help karen in any capacity at all

[rigid flint]

Ok main concern is the dark team, grass team and the ground team maybe

I’m not exactly sure how reliable Silver is with solar beam

[nocturne pawn]

i think hes there as another nuke?

[rigid flint]

Ah

[nocturne pawn]

ive heard decent things about his solar beam

[prime warren]

It's good damage for grass weak

[rigid flint]

Wait then what’s SS Red there for

[prime warren]

Piercing gaze

To minimize rng

Tbh I just recommended silver for nuke

[latent eagle]

Ppl said that it’s a good team, I honestly forgot about his solar beam and was just gonna throw fire at it

[dark osprey]

Has anyone tried sunny disposition gardenia?

[prime warren]

People tried it

Heard it's workable

[dark osprey]

Nice

[prime warren]

But haven't seen F2P variant

Sslyra moment

[rigid flint]

Yeah gardenia isn’t bad

But uh I’ve been using selene every grass weak

Tho it got easier when I got SS Lyra

[low linden]

I mean her grid is telling u to use her under sun

[prime warren]

I tried SSerika once
Gave up and then threw rats at it

[dark osprey]

What team do you use Selene?

[prime warren]

Coz Erika likes to miss

-3 accuracy

[low linden]

Sunny disposition is for her to give up on dauntless and put cs2

[nocturne pawn]

skill issue just buff acc

[rigid flint]

I used to run Hilbert and Selene together

Elio and Selene works too

[prime warren]

I only realised it after the fight was done

Could have just bought clemont instead of ssleaf

[rigid flint]

But now I just use double Lyra with Selene

[nocturne pawn]

you know how may debuffs acc all the time

now you know how the enemy feels

[latent eagle]

Okay how’s this, decided to go full pika bc screw ground types (I need more of them 🥲)

[rigid flint]

Tho it’s a lot of overlapping buffs

[nocturne pawn]

use them on different teams

[dark osprey]

Nice. Just got her 3/5 recently. Will try her out I guess

[nocturne pawn]

either one is a free win con

[prime warren]

But enemy never misses even after -6 accuracy

While I miss everything after -1 accuracy

[rigid flint]

She does some solid damage on her nuke if u use it first sync

But normally after support EX and grassy terrain each leaf blade does like 10k damage

[nocturne pawn]

tbh the main deal with selene is that shes just a worse ss brendan

[low linden]

Because mind's eye 5 exist for them

[rigid flint]

Yeah Selene’s worse than Brendan

[peak stirrup]

Is Nessa or Masked Royal a better partner for frogs vs dark weak?

[rigid flint]

But I like using her

[latent eagle]

Okay now how we looking?

[dark osprey]

Guess nessa

[prime warren]

Best partner is zygarde for dark weak

[nocturne pawn]

yeah thats id say is fine

[dark osprey]

For some dark dps

[nocturne pawn]

id say nessa

has better dps

mr has a better nuke

[prime warren]

Nessa needs setup

[nocturne pawn]

actually

why cant you just run them together

[prime warren]

Realistically you bring MR and spam brutal swing

For Bmove

[nocturne pawn]

they’re pretty solid together cuz mr maxes out speed

which is nessa’s only real problem

[rigid flint]

Wait does Rosa have MP Refresh

[nocturne pawn]

not on base

[dark osprey]

Nessa wouldn't need setup for dark dps I feel

[latent eagle]

What order should I do the rounds?

[nocturne pawn]

but karen can buff by 4 if shes not full hp

[rigid flint]

Ah true

[nocturne pawn]

which is pretty easy to obtain

[rigid flint]

You can either do Siebold or Wikstrom first

Wait wait hol up

[nocturne pawn]

wikstrom should be r4

[rigid flint]

Why did Ash replace Bianca

[nocturne pawn]

because his flash cannons hurt like shit

[nocturne pawn]

tbh ash wins the entire stage by himself

might as well just build around him

[rigid flint]

If ash is there there’s not much point to gio being there

[latent eagle]

She’s really only there for psychic, terrain

[nocturne pawn]

yeah

[rigid flint]

Might as well use someone like Volkner

[nocturne pawn]

thats what i said

build around him

[dark osprey]

Not sure if it's right but I did everything clockwise from Drasna first

[rigid flint]

Yeah

I did Siebold, Drasna, Wikstrom, Malva

[latent eagle]

Yeaaah I'm not sure what to do, can't beat siebold, switched to SS morty/brendan/SS Erika

[rigid flint]

That should be able to work

[latent eagle]

I'm still getting killed by muddy water

[verbal karma]

ah, shoot

I still need help with R5 Diantha

[nocturne pawn]

simple answer is to off type it

if you dont have cynthia/maxie its pretty hard

[verbal karma]

I have Cynthia, actually

[nocturne pawn]

uh

[verbal karma]

I just thought that a Special Strike might have been preferable

[nocturne pawn]

thats awkward then

[verbal karma]

one that can also debuff speed, I mean

[nocturne pawn]

r5 diantha hates special strikers lol

she has satisfied snarl

[verbal karma]

...oh...

[rigid flint]

Yeah

[verbal karma]

heck

[rigid flint]

I was gonna use Naomi initially but uh yeah

[nocturne pawn]

tbh you dont need to debuff speed

[rigid flint]

Hmm

[verbal karma]

but Diantha has Ramming Speed

[nocturne pawn]

have someone who can stomach head smash and ideally has potions

[nocturne pawn]

it doesnt actually hurt that much

and she only starts with +1 so ramming speed is only 5%

[mellow linden]

Ok, and?

[rigid flint]

I’m just trying to think

[mellow linden]

That doesn’t mean you have to debuff Speed

[latent eagle]

Like muddy water is doing SO MUCH

[rigid flint]

Leaf Blade and Leaf Storm on mid should be doing a bunch of damage

[verbal karma]

oh yeah, I should mention: Cynthia is almost completely ungridded: she only has Sand Shelter

and guess what: I ran out of sync orbs again

[rigid flint]

Maybe aim for the sides first then…

[nocturne pawn]

💀

[rigid flint]

See if that works

[mellow linden]

What Move Level is she?

[verbal karma]

1/5

[mellow linden]

Grid is meaningless anyways. Tbh I’d just off-type with SS Hilda

[nocturne pawn]

ok then shes fucking garbage

[rigid flint]

1/5 Cynthia isn’t gonna go too well

[nocturne pawn]

cynthia is not good without at bare minimum 2/5 and she really wants 3/5

[latent eagle]

It's not tho

[nocturne pawn]

her base kit aged really terribly

[rigid flint]

Unless you have like Maxie, SS Gio or maybe even Leon, then they should work decently well even at 1/5

[rigid flint]

Huh

[proud axle]

(and by "aged terribly," we mean "became the butt of jokes within months after release")

[rigid flint]

Would it be possible for u to record and show how ur doing the stage?

[proud axle]

Really needs dupes to shine

[nocturne pawn]

yeah actually cynthia wasnt good until she got pb where she got actually useful

[prime warren]

I remember the days when she was compared with Barry

Before grids were ever a thing

[nocturne pawn]

wasnt ground considered the worst type for a while

[rigid flint]

Yep

[prime warren]

It was
Till she got her grid

[rigid flint]

Until Maxie came along

Well her grid didn’t do wonders at the start

[prime warren]

Post grid her synergy with acerola was appreciated in that meta

Since acerola was a top tier flinch unit

[rigid flint]

Ah the Acerola days

Makes sense now

[sand karma]

Aaron is clutch for Siebold
Not a single blade miss

[prime warren]

Well SSred still was leagues ahead of her

But ground wasn't considered bad typing

Like electric was still coping with hau back then

[sand karma]

Still kinda is

[prime warren]

Hell typings didn't even matter much
Since people were just trying to do LAs

[nocturne pawn]

elesa with grid is pretty solid

[prime warren]

Still kinda?

Rats exist

[sand karma]

She's not very useful till 3/5

[nocturne pawn]

who

elesa?

she just needed 2/5

[prime warren]

Actually 2/5 cynthia gets some decent shit

[rigid flint]

Mhm

[sand karma]

They're masterfairs

[nocturne pawn]

volkner is also just good via having terrain

[prime warren]

2/5 cynthia gets sde5 and SS2

And sand blaster

It already makes her usable

[nocturne pawn]

and having status flinch utility

75% chance to flinch or paralyze

[sand karma]

Wish his standfast was a bit higher
But god his nuke is sweet

[nocturne pawn]

nah his nuke isnt that good

[proud axle]

Cynthia's other problem is one of team composition. There aren't many pairs who can give Sandstorm and good regular-move damage at the same time... if indeed any exist at all

[nocturne pawn]

grid doesnt facilitate nuke very much and outside of innate + eterrain he doesnt have any other multipliers

[verbal karma]

okay, I won with SS Hilda

[rigid flint]

Ayy

[nocturne pawn]

cynthia solves the issue herself

[rigid flint]

Gj!

[proud axle]

Sun has Silver and Maxie and SSErika. Rain has May and Kyogre and Tech Gyarados. Sand has...???

[nocturne pawn]

dust kicker moment

[rigid flint]

Ingo

Exists

[prime warren]

Acerola was never bad?

[nocturne pawn]

and cynthia ironically enough

[prime warren]

Why do people sleep on her

[nocturne pawn]

cuz she has dust kicker

[rigid flint]

Acerola just cannot tank

[sand karma]

Boss Bertha

Gives crit and defense

[prime warren]

60% flinch chance unit

[nocturne pawn]

her stats are horrible and she feels like shit

[prime warren]

You don't have to tank with anything

[proud axle]

Yeah, he's the solution-- but even then the other weathers have equivalents (SSMorty, SSKris)

[prime warren]

You can legit tank with cynthia herself

Since acerola flinches

[verbal karma]

and just like that, back to 110 and 120

[proud axle]

Sand just has fewer ways to make dual-striker teams

[prime warren]

Back then content didn't hit you super hard

[proud axle]

Even Hail has BPCandice

[rigid flint]

Well

[nocturne pawn]

dawg i gridded her aggravation and it barely works

[rigid flint]

We do have Bertha now

[nocturne pawn]

bertha’s dps is nonexistent

sand tomb exists to activate her multipliers

[proud axle]

Best hope your third has self Speed, then

[rigid flint]

I honestly find Acerola unreliable so I only ever used her if I had a good tank on my team

[prime warren]

Premium choice for entei CS after SSred was acerola+cynthia

[nocturne pawn]

yeah acerola has horrible bulk

that’s the problem

everything just hits harder now so shes just the free option for sand

bertha at least can take a few hits

[proud axle]

Aggro taunt TM with all the bulk you'd expect an actual sandcastle to have

[prime warren]

No sand castle passive

[rigid flint]

Instead she just flops

[prime warren]

For actual sand castle

[rigid flint]

Sadge

[nocturne pawn]

the ironic thing is that palossand has like 90 base def

[rigid flint]

Shore Up where

[prime warren]

I remember running Hilbert, acerola, cynthia before Hilbert grid was a thing

Fun times

[rigid flint]

Good old days

Back when I thought that monotype teams were the way to go even when there was no synergy

[proud axle]

I should regrid my Cynthia. I have her at 5/5 due to Lady Luck being really sarcastic when I last pulled on a multi-Champion banner

[rigid flint]

Or I could just yknow chuck SS Red with Skyla and call it a day

[prime warren]

5/5 cynthia really good with lodge raihan
If you have him

[proud axle]

I had Cynthia, Lance, and Steven all at 1/5. I wanted dupes of Lance or Steven.
Long story short they're at 5/5 1/5 1/5 respectively

[prime warren]

Literally only use case for him

[rigid flint]

Oh yo Lodge Raihan also has sand

I almost forgot

[proud axle]

...Do we actually want to use lodge Raihan

[rigid flint]

Not exactly

[prime warren]

It was actually comfy

Using him

Vs diantha

[rigid flint]

But sand :D

[prime warren]

He has sand castle, buffs defense , entry sand

[versed meteor]

Acute sense does what again

[rigid flint]

Status Change is needed

So gradual healing is your answer

[prime warren]

Felt more comfier than Bertha since Bertha doesn't let cynthia max atk without fierce entry on grid

While raihan gives atk

[versed meteor]

Stupid game doesn't want me to debuff the hell out of malva

[proud axle]

Did Cynthia's speed and Sands of Time give enough gauge for that teamcomp?

[proud axle]

...huh?

[versed meteor]

For me?

[prime warren]

Raihan has to press TMs twice

[rigid flint]

Ye

[prime warren]

Actually thrice

And then cynthia gets +4 spd on self

[rigid flint]

Grad Healing counts as a status change

[nocturne pawn]

did you pick the no stat drops parameter

[versed meteor]

No

[nocturne pawn]

whats stopping you then

[versed meteor]

I mean i cant deal good damage

[prime warren]

With Bertha, cynthia doesn't get +4 spd

[proud axle]

What is your team

[versed meteor]

Acute sense

[proud axle]

Is this Hard or Master mode

[rigid flint]

What’s your parameters

As I said

Give them Gradual Healing

[proud axle]

If this is not Master Mode, you can't just cheese it with regen

So we have to know what is actually happening

[rigid flint]

Unless this is Hard Mode

[versed meteor]

Ok, was just replying the other person

[proud axle]

Let's start with what your team is, and whether you're on Hard or Master

[versed meteor]

Iris cserena and classic Giovanni

Debuffing is the order of the day

[rigid flint]

Right

So CSerena is the damage dealer

[versed meteor]

Yeh

[proud axle]

So... yeah the only Status Change here is Flinch and that doesn't last long

Do you happen to have Nessa?

[versed meteor]

Yeh but i was told if i use the grad heal parameter it counts as status change

[proud axle]

Oh, it does

[rigid flint]

It does

[proud axle]

So if you win before it expires, you're fine

[rigid flint]

Tho I would like to ask

What does CIris provide to the team other than debuffing Malva’s spatk and atk

[nocturne pawn]

wait malva had acute senses?

[proud axle]

CSerena would have problems getting her sync move multiplier rolling unless you use Water Shuriken a lot...

[rigid flint]

Yes

Truly an Acute Senses moment

[proud axle]

Brutal Swing would not bring her acc to the negatives until the third hit

[onyx ice]

Acute senses is worthless in mm

[nocturne pawn]

arent you supposed to spam water shuriken though

[onyx ice]

People generally pick regen

[proud axle]

Perhaps this is why they're having problems: spamming Brutal Swing instead

Well, Iris is here to help in other ways I suppose

I just don't like using CSerena against Dark fights

Water Shuriken is great DPS and Brutal Swing is... oof

[rigid flint]

I mean there’s not much damage output except for Serena’s sync

[onyx ice]

Not bad for an eggmon

[rigid flint]

So if there was a dark damage dealer that would be nice

[proud axle]

If you're not in Master Mode, Nessa would be great here

Jaw Lock.

Restrain and high power

[rigid flint]

Nessa’s great

[nocturne pawn]

wouldnt nessa be good in csmm too

[proud axle]

Sure

Can't sync-nuke on-type but Jaw Lock still is a pretty strong move

But I don't know if they have Nessa. It's why I asked.

[versed meteor]

Debuff starts love it(in Trump's voice)

[proud axle]

Nessa can debuff but that's mainly if she's fighting a Water weakpoint

For Dark, you may as well just spam Jaw Lock

And m o n c h

[versed meteor]

It just hit me should have used bp morty instead of Giovanni

Oh wait no ex

[rigid flint]

Well uh

There’s not much damage output from that team

[versed meteor]

Didn't seem that bad

[mellow linden]

If you have all the pairs available then Hop + Masked Royal + Nessa is a tried and true Dark team