Champion Stadium

[boreal rose]

I have only a team for 3/4 e4 cuz i have massive problems with a team for Drasna

Cuz i did a 850 × 5 MM

So yesh

[marsh crater]

Ur unit is better than mine. I dont think u got problem 2k each

[boreal rose]

I do

[grand trout]

Omg cute pfp

[sinful garden]

doing monotype runs?

[marsh crater]

Ss may omh

[boreal rose]

No

[marsh crater]

I only dreamt of ur unit

[boreal rose]

She has a rerun

Soon

[sinful garden]

then you can always use sshilda to offtype drasna

ssmay and ss morty will handle fire weak easily

[sinful garden]

also its anni may thats rerunning not ssmay

[marsh crater]

I use sycamore ghetsis and lucian for drasna. 1.9k

[sinful garden]

also giovanni + psychic terrain + a support for giovanni should handle drasna

[boreal rose]

Hold on.

Fire one has sun right?

Forgot her name

The Team Flare e4

She hits hard

[sinful garden]

oh wait those are teams for this week

mb lol

[marsh crater]

Yeah its anni may. Although i want to pull her too. Latias and may. Favvvv

[boreal rose]

Ah

Mb

Mistook them

Too much May

[sinful garden]

sshilda should still be able to clear drasna offtype

[boreal rose]

Oh

Malva

[marsh crater]

Maybe i can 2k siebold with my ex hau. But oh man. Im so tired to reset

[boreal rose]

She has sun right?

[swift swan]

Round parameters for this week and recommendations are on pins

[boreal rose]

She hits hard

[swift swan]

There is never a set order. It all depends on your team comps. We can only give advice on who to avoid

[boreal rose]

Wgere

[sinful garden]

yea, you can try bringing a sandstorm setter and let diantha be the sole dps

[grand trout]

Wait which one, ice or psychic?

[sinful garden]

this week's

so ice

[swift swan]

Pins, underneath the weakness charts

[grand trout]

Would kyurem be good

[swift swan]

Yes

[sinful garden]

ghetsis? probably

[boreal rose]

I heard she is anti ghetsis?

The ice weak

[mellow linden]

Not Drasna

[sinful garden]

i mean if anything ghetsis only helps this stage

[mellow linden]

Her gimmick is Poison shenanigans

[sinful garden]

he debuffs speed and drasna has ramming speed

[mellow linden]

And more damage the more her Attack/Sp. Atk./Speed are raised, iirc

[boreal rose]

[swift swan]

Well I have to go to sleep now, good luck if you're still trying to clear 2k last minute

[mellow linden]

Eh, it’s not that bad for Ghetsis

Worst case scenario do the age-old duo of Candice + Ghetsis and have Candice nuke

[boreal rose]

What is the casual damage for her sync?

Is 25k ok?

Tho i think it was hard mode

Nvm then

[marsh crater]

Oh no wonder combo of glaciate and lucian growl works

[grand trout]

I might be doing something wrong but candice underwhelms me with her presupposed nuke

I've had more success using froslass!candice

[mellow linden]

What have you gridded her for and is she EX?

[grand trout]

No she's not

I followed the recommended sync grid, idk which one

[mellow linden]

EX is a fairly significant boost for her, from what I’ve heard

[grand trout]

I just didn't think of exing because i have Steven exed

[mellow linden]

Inertia and Trainer Move Super Preparation are pretty much vital, Hail Follow-Through is important if you don’t have someone to buff her crit

[grand trout]

And like, if she does this paltry damage maybe I'll waste an ex

[mellow linden]

As someone with an EX Candice, she nukes hard

[grand trout]

I think i have those

Maybe an ex makes a difference?

[mellow linden]

I’ve heard it does

[grand trout]

Hmmm

[mellow linden]

I never tested because I EXd her pretty much as soon as she got it, iirc

[grand trout]

I have summer steven exed so this is kinda hard lol

[mellow linden]

Well do you usually Sync with Summer Steven?

[grand trout]

Yes

[mellow linden]

So Candice is purely there for Hail?

[grand trout]

Usually glacia first

Yup

I'd use her for dps but like icicle crash is costly lol

[mellow linden]

She doesn’t have Icicle Crash, even

Ice Punch

[grand trout]

At least froslass can aoe and her blizzard does more damage

[grand trout]

I meant Steven's

[mellow linden]

Ah

Tbh I think part of the issue is that Glacia really doesn’t do all that much to help Steven or regular Candice

I think you’d be better off with a standard Attack/crit Support

[grand trout]

Aww

[mellow linden]

If you want to keep Syncing with Summer Steven to help with Hail upkeep and using BP Candice over regular Candice you’re probably alright, but definitely consider EXing Candice if you have issues KOing center

I personally run Candice with Holiday Nessa and Palentine’s Bea and they just murder Ice weak stages

[grand trout]

Hmmmm

Or i could just ex hala lol

Dps AND nuke

I cleared drasna last time with him

[mellow linden]

If you’d prefer to do that you should be fine with just Hala, yeah

So long as you have proper gauge support, of course

[grand trout]

Sorry cobalt

I believe you that candice is a good nuke but I'm a tad bit disappointed with her to go about exing her for the meantime lol

[mellow linden]

No worries, if you’d prefer to do someone else that’s absolute fine. It’s your resources!

[boreal rose]

Dang it

I keep forgetting abt the music

[mellow linden]

Why is Acerola there

[boreal rose]

Sandstorm

[mellow linden]

Ah, right, you do need to counter Sun

No Bertha, I assume?

[grand trout]

Why not offtype with rain and water

[mellow linden]

I was considering that recommendation, yeah

[grand trout]

That se x2 is kinda hard to hit even with diantha

[nocturne pawn]

persona 3 portable based

[keen jasper]

[mellow linden]

You uh, might wanna space that out some more

[nocturne pawn]

actually wait

isnt that persona 1

[grand trout]

Lmao done

[nocturne pawn]

anyway

[keen jasper]

I was about to about react that with ⭐

@grand trout Sorry

[grand trout]

Eh

Why

[boreal rose]

The psp version

[nocturne pawn]

ah so just persona

[grand trout]

Why lol

[boreal rose]

Persona psp

[nocturne pawn]

[boreal rose]

Although

What is sentry entry

I forgor

[grand trout]

Doubles base def

[boreal rose]

[grand trout]

So you're better off doing special moves

[boreal rose]

Idk who shoukd i use

If water

[grand trout]

Who are your options

[nocturne pawn]

most water damage dealers are special

you should have cyrus

[boreal rose]

Dojo Gloria

[nocturne pawn]

so him and winona is good

💀dojo gloria is phys

[keen jasper]

Multiplies base defense stat

[nocturne pawn]

thats just a quarter of the normal damage

[boreal rose]

Oh

[keen jasper]

We have Wise Entry x3 once

[boreal rose]

Cherena

[grand trout]

Wait who

[keen jasper]

Steel-weak Bertha

[grand trout]

Lmao

[keen jasper]

But it's only on the sides

[grand trout]

Thank god i have raihan

What sentry or wise entry x2 would be problematic?

I think we x2 psychic would be one

[keen jasper]

We had Sentry Entry x2 steel-weak Glacia

[grand trout]

Is raihan our only special steel

[keen jasper]

Besides the Flash Cannon Meowth, yes

[nocturne pawn]

steel beam*

[paper summit]

Egg Magnemite is the one with Flash Cannon

But yeah, use Perrserker if you want go with an eggmon, the guy is good

[boreal rose]

I cant beat drasna

[keen jasper]

What's your team?

[boreal rose]

SSErika, SSHilda, Chalem

I was able to beat sides tho

[keen jasper]

You're off-typing Drasna?

[boreal rose]

Ye

And ghetsis does shit dameg

I mean

Its ok ig

But he has no time to use moves

Im dounf 1500 Drasna

Idc

Still cant

Provably shouldnt have used Silver for fire weak

At this point. I think will use Oak

Nevermind

[boreal rose]

Or May instead of Cherena

[nocturne pawn]

bwuh?

cerena should be clapping this shit on 2k

drasna’s main gimmick is spreading poison everywhere

so if you have sycamore id recommend using him

[boreal rose]

No ex tho

Personal choice

Of no EX

Also

What does clapping mean

Cuz i dont see what does it have to do with anything so i assume you mean some different clapping?

[nocturne pawn]

shorthand for clapping cheeks

if you dont know what that means dont google it

[nocturne pawn]

it doesnt matter ur using him for tm

since it sounds like ur dying to poison

[boreal rose]

No

[nocturne pawn]

then whats the problem

[boreal rose]

Sometimes Calem dies

But he dies anyway

[boreal rose]

Would you believe me

If i said Drasna?

[mellow linden]

Are you using V-Create or Searing Shot?

[nocturne pawn]

what specifically is giving you trouble

💀

[boreal rose]

Rn

No

[nocturne pawn]

?????

[boreal rose]

I'm trying using ice

And it goes pretty well

[mellow linden]

But when you were using SS Hilda

[boreal rose]

But

Dum dum dum. Sync move

[nocturne pawn]

what is making you die

[mellow linden]

Were you using V-Create or Searing Shot when you were using SS Hilda?

[boreal rose]

And sum steven tries his best not to flinch

[nocturne pawn]

do you know how to pre sync

[boreal rose]

And he never fliches

[boreal rose]

Ehatever hits all

[nocturne pawn]

dont use searing shot

[mellow linden]

That was your problem

[nocturne pawn]

its bad

v create to focus down drasna

and nuke her into the stratosphere

[mellow linden]

With SS Hilda you gun down the center with V-Create

[boreal rose]

Why

[nocturne pawn]

aoe moves have a damage penalty

[mellow linden]

Because Searing Shot gets a damage penalty when hitting multiple targets and V-Create has way more damage even if SS is single-target

[nocturne pawn]

sides are much less threatening than the center

[mellow linden]

Plus if your SS Hilda is 3/5 then V-Create contributes to Rising Tide (and still offers survivability if she’s 1/5)

[boreal rose]

2/5

Also. Enemy Heat Wave

Sadly Persona and Pokémon Heat Wave are completly different

[mellow linden]

Heat Wave isn’t that big of a problem

[nocturne pawn]

what parameters are you picking

is it 2k pre sync?

[mellow linden]

Especialy if SS Hilda is at +3 or higher Sp. Def. due to V-Create spam

[boreal rose]

Ook i did it

[boreal rose]

I decide to do 1500

And changed a lil bit

[nocturne pawn]

ok glad you got through it

if you want to, try 2k again

[boreal rose]

No

I am not reseting

[nocturne pawn]

you dont lose anything if you do

[mellow linden]

Other than “losing” time, at least

[onyx ice]

Same

[nocturne pawn]

i post sync by surviving with like 30 hp

which isnt really post sync at all

cuz its still pre sync parameters

[onyx ice]

I could consider post sync if i will get 5/5 6ex Gloria

[nocturne pawn]

i just somehow bullshit the damage variance

[paper summit]

Only times I "post sync" are when I mess up quadqueue or a denial, then they sync and I survive anyway and win

But modern units have no issues whatsoever to kill presync

[onyx ice]

I will just take -3 sync, build Gloria nuke, use something with max guard, give damage guard to Gloria, wait for enemy sync and retaliate

[paper summit]

Well, with Gloria's buff you don't have to post sync

[boreal rose]

uses no status conditions while using emma

[onyx ice]

Just to see bigger Numbers

[boreal rose]

Im too smart to be here

(this is a joke btw)

[onyx ice]

I don't have steel zone so for offtype will probably be needed

Wondering if damage calcs take in account gloria innate for sync move damage

[boreal rose]

[nocturne pawn]

ggs

[boreal rose]

It isnt 10k but this made me think even more i may be able to do 10k tomorrow

Is Unova hard?

Cuz i forvot

[rotund lagoon]

Not really?

Also we still have one more week of Kalos CS

[boreal rose]

Cool

But in 2 weeks ots gonna be KmUnova

Ots gonna br like 3 days afterva while

[nocturne pawn]

wait still another?

[boreal rose]

Even if it will feel like 10 days at first its gonna feel like 3 days for me at like saturday

[nocturne pawn]

oh wait

[rotund lagoon]

Yup

[nocturne pawn]

yeah we do

i forgor

[rigid flint]

Am I allowed to post my clear channel here or nah

Oh this week seems quite fun

[rotund lagoon]

Preferably #1010274591601598555

[rigid flint]

Oh no no I meant the channel in #1010274591601598555 that I have

[paper summit]

What for?

[rigid flint]

Ground weak looks painful

[rigid flint]

I always wanted to know in case someone asked for examples and I was too lazy to get the screenshots from my phone

[rotund lagoon]

I mean, I have my own post full of various clears

I just tag whatever applies

[rigid flint]

Ohh smart

[paper summit]

People can find it on the forum, it's as public as this

[rigid flint]

Ah right

Sorry for the dumb question lmao

Time to use SS Gio to power through Ground weak again

Tho I wish I could candy him to 3/5

[paper summit]

I doubt you'll struggle even at 1/5

[rigid flint]

There’s too many units I wanna candy

Oh yeah he does great at 1/5

I just wanna candy him in the future

[rotund lagoon]

Its fine lol

[frank shuttle]

We have 1 more week for the Kalos Champion stadium right?

[paper summit]

yes

[frank shuttle]

Sweet need 3 more medals

[zealous karma]

I’m going to miss rock week

[boreal rose]

What rock week?

[zealous karma]

Malva rock week

[boreal rose]

Ah

[clever bronze]

is there a writeup for 2/20-2/26 e4?

like a detailed explanation on the fight by november or sages

[tired sleet]

You could always check poma tools or the pins

[mellow linden]

No large writeup, but Sages did a rundown of important mechanics in the pins

[tired sleet]

I don’t think a large write up is necessary

[proud axle]

There's one detail I'd add to the pinned post.
Diantha using Fairy Zone right before sync

Hell, the mega doesn't even matter

[clever bronze]

oh i used 3/5 ex ash ssacynthia volkner for diantha

b aura sphere into b thunderbolt

[proud axle]

I just toxic stalled her (with Lisia to blow away the debuff mirror and fairy zone)

[clever bronze]

you toxic stalled through draining kiss master healer?

[mellow linden]

It wouldn’t be hard

[boreal rose]

I toxic stalled with Emma

[mellow linden]

It only heals like 100 HP max

[boreal rose]

Tho its not a stall

[clever bronze]

toxic kill

[proud axle]

Yes? HP+ parameters make Toxic hurt way more than 30% of the damage she deals to me

[clever bronze]

I was more focusing on diantha stalling you with the healing

but it didn't

[onyx ice]

Draining kiss isn't a big deal for poison stall

They normally go full HP defenses and 0 offensive parameters

Maybe a bit of strength

[proud axle]

And in this case I had Venom Drenched the team to max debuffs

[vagrant shuttle]

What should I grab for the CS master mode runs?

Like what should I do to make it feasible to beat, but also gives a good amount of points

[rigid flint]

You can take a look in pins!

There’s a fair few options there for different types of runs

[proud axle]

People just starting out, are recommended to try the 850 Standard set

[vagrant shuttle]

Standard set?

[keen jasper]

The one in pinned, or you can make your own parameters

[vagrant shuttle]

Oh I see it

Thank you

[thin pecan]

Anyone have a good team for ice this week?

[tired sleet]

Can you send a screenshot of your ice pairs?

[zinc island]

Idk how good glacia is since i got her only on 1/5 but she doesn't strike me as the best support.

[thin pecan]

Yeah. I’m doing this round 2

For the speed buff

Not sure which better one to use though

[zinc island]

I see

[rigid flint]

You can use Skyla

If she’s available to use

[thin pecan]

My problem is that everyone is just dying

I don’t know what skyla changes

But that worked thank you

[zealous karma]

She buffs def and Spd

And has potions

[thin pecan]

Yeah but like I have no idea why that succeeds more than Gloria lol

[zealous karma]

Gloria isn’t a tank in any of her forms

[paper summit]

they probably mean Glacia...

[zealous karma]

Oh lel

Well glacia herself isn’t very tanky either

[paper summit]

but it's kinda obvious why you'd succeed with using Skyla instead...

[trail smelt]

Yeah Glacia is more of an off tanker even after her buff I think

[nocturne pawn]

glacia can tank but only while hail is up

[tired sleet]

For slow forms of content like some LAs she tanks fine but in csmm not so much

[nocturne pawn]

and hail is pretty notorious for not having setters

like

theres 4 hail setters

2 are candice

the other two are limiteds

[tired sleet]

And the other 2 are eggmons

[nocturne pawn]

yeah no thanks lol

eggmons just get annihilated by csmm

[tired sleet]

Don’t tank with them then

[nocturne pawn]

me when aoe

seriously they hit hard this cs

like i was doing siebold and elesa took like 350 from surf

and shes 6ex

[tired sleet]

If tech eggmons with def buffs get annihilated i wonder what would happen to a strike like ss red

[swift swan]

well we can't compare those two, eggmons have lower stats generally

[nocturne pawn]

i mean the most i ever get them is like 3*

[swift swan]

well there's your answer

[paper summit]

tbf you'd only use them in CS if you are looking for a challenge or whatever

the only legit ones are Gyarados and Perrserker

[nocturne pawn]

i mean why am i getting bruh’d

i dont push lg so i have no legit use for like 99.5% of them

didnt get strikerdos and i already paired with perrserkee

[paper summit]

imagine caring for bragging rights

[nocturne pawn]

not like ill ever use em

because raihan lul

[tired sleet]

Tech eggmons that set weather are pretty nice

[paper summit]

granted, for Moltres Gauntlets you are kinda forced to use eggmons if you are short on weather setters

[proud axle]

I used an eggmon this week. Tech Nidoqueen. I wanted to save Janine for Diantha

[paper summit]

you are still stalling stages after all this time?

[proud axle]

I stalled Diantha just because I could.
I used Tech Nido to humiliate Siebold.

Team was James, Tech Nidoqueen...
And Thunderbolt Red

[nocturne pawn]

yall are weird

[tired sleet]

Imagine using Janine to stall

[old orchid]

Imagine stalling

[nocturne pawn]

facts

[paper summit]

stalling

[proud axle]

My reflexes are molasses, I don't wanna deal with quadqueue like that

Stalling is nice and low-effort

[nocturne pawn]

quad queue isnt even hard

[paper summit]

git gud

[tired sleet]

I didn’t quad queue in that clear tho

[nocturne pawn]

just spam that tm like no tomorrow and it’ll probably work

[proud axle]

And I don't care. Stall is ez

[paper summit]

who needs stalling/quadqueue when Adrenaline

[nocturne pawn]

more like mindnumbing

[nocturne pawn]

i have adrenaline on my hilbert cuz of cs

[tired sleet]

Murder is also easy

[proud axle]

Who needs Adrenaline when I can just AFK and the enemy will drop dead on its own

[nocturne pawn]

for some reason i cant quad queue with him even though he doesnt have anything that fucks quad queues

[paper summit]

why even play tbh?

[tired sleet]

Why play a game when you can just not do anything

[void wyvern]

EOS EOS!

[nocturne pawn]

existential dread? oh boy do i have the channel for you

[proud axle]

I play idle clickers. Fuck you.

[nocturne pawn]

kurzgesagt

(their videos are cool though)

[tired sleet]

Ooh they’re great

[paper summit]

that channel is goated

[tired sleet]

What is it, existential nihilism?

The best channel on YouTube

[nocturne pawn]

its that

and also altruistic narcissism or something

[tired sleet]

It is the best channel on YT, thank you for agreeing 🤝

A sciencey vid animation channel is very relevant to CS for sure

[nocturne pawn]

anywayy

should i beat up siebold on r1 again to punish him for being annoying

[tired sleet]

Go ahead

[proud axle]

Bring James and a tech nidoqueen for increased dunking

Poison Gas and Venom Drench

[nocturne pawn]

i dont have james

or a tech nidoqueen i think

also fuck stall

[tired sleet]

Who said anything about stall

[proud axle]

That's not stall

I just wanted to debuff them for lols before annihilating them with TBolt Red

[proud axle]

https://twitter.com/kianamaiart/status/1627849293334990848?s=20

Kiana Mai (@kianamaiart)

james is always one motto away

Likes

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Twitter · Feb 21, 2023, 1:54 AM

[tired sleet]

Wth why does the delia and jessie besties make so much sense

Actually, delia and James makes more sense

[nocturne pawn]

wait is that why we never see ash’s dad

💀

[paper summit]

his dad is Mr Mime

[nocturne pawn]

oh shitt

i forgot that one frame

maybe thats why hes so stupid

[proud axle]

https://25.media.tumblr.com/04212da491960a30b8eae7d84d3ac8e5/tumblr_n3lod53wrR1sodqyso1_400.gif

||The one on the left is actually a Ditto judging by its name, but still||

[paper summit]

Ditto can transform into humans, let that sink in...

or maybe not, for your own good

[tired sleet]

The Ditto 5 sidequest in USUM was so funny

[nocturne pawn]

:)

[zealous karma]

Mr mime is apart of the human like egg group iirc

[tired sleet]

oh no omegamart is a ditto

[nocturne pawn]

great….

[tired sleet]

At the end of the ditto 5 sidequest, they imply that one of the characters was a ditto all along by zooming into their face while someone is like “at least ditto can’t talk”

[nocturne pawn]

:susballguy:

[proud axle]

There was that time last April Fools' Day where a whole herd of Ditto broke into the Pokécenter

And one of them impersonated Red

[tired sleet]

I remember that

[proud axle]

And Red could have spoken up at any time but he didn't. Because he thought it was hilarious.

[tired sleet]

What was the one before that? The team break takeover?

[nocturne pawn]

yuh

[proud axle]

Yeah

[nocturne pawn]

i wonder what they’ll do for this year

[proud axle]

And before that was all the music being replaced with Gen1 chiptune tracks

Yeah, DeNA likes April Fools' Day

Can't wait to see it

[tired sleet]

2020? I wasn’t there for that. Just looked it up, pretty neat

Anyway, this is very cs related

[proud axle]

Indubitably

[civic trellis]

We need eos to free us from the loop

[grand steppe]

Changing pinned comment here's this week:

From <t:1676872800:D> to <t:1677391140:D>
Malva

• Entry, (Defense) + Drought Alert 5
• Flare Blitz, 10% (Sides)

Siebold

• Healthy Advantage 4 (Status Condition)
• Razor Shell, Slo-mo 9

Wikstrom

• Discourage + Satisfied Snarl 9 & Ripple Effect (Sides)
• Iron Head / Rock Slide + Rock Smash / Bulldoze + (all)

Drasna

• Go Viral 9 + Toxic
• Furious Brawn + Ramming Speed + Hostile Environment

Diantha

• Draining Kiss + Master Healer 2
• Stat Reduction Reflection (Right) +

[rigid flint]

Wha

[zinc island]

Does drasna uses toxic with dragalge? Otherwise this feels reallly weird to just randomly give her toxic for the sake of making her hard

[rigid flint]

Yeah she uses Toxic

But her Poison Tail has a 50% chance of poisoning

So if u get poisoned ur saved from the toxic

Also I’m pretty sure she uses a Druddigon for ice weak

Yeah she does that was this week

[paper summit]

uhh, Drasna should be psychic weak

[rigid flint]

I think Sages has copy pasted the wrong week

[grand steppe]

That is the current CS.

The pinned one is changed to next week.

[paper summit]

ahh, got it, my bad

[grand steppe]

I posted it incase anyone was still trying to clear this week

[paper summit]

[rigid flint]

Ah

The last minute rush is real

[swift swan]

last minute CS clears are wild

[rigid flint]

Fr

[paper summit]

wild indeed, like, if you clear easily then whatever, but when they know they struggle often... like WHY?!

[trail smelt]

Got less than an hour too lol

[swift swan]

R1: Permanent field effects (don't fight Wikstrom here unless you can remove/change the zone)
R2: Special attack moves are powered up (be careful with Siebold and Drasna here)
R3: The additional effects of moves are more effective (be careful with Wikstrom here)
R4: Special damage reduction at start
R5: Stat-lowering effects are more effective

[old orchid]

perma field

[paper summit]

our beloved

[zealous karma]

Which is acute sense need

Status or grad healing?

[swift swan]

oh greaaat, diantha is debuffs galore this week and R5 is debuff parameter

[swift swan]

grad healing

status changes (trap, confuse, restrain, rebuff etc). gradual healing counts in that category

[zealous karma]

Kk ty

[swift swan]

wow practically all 4 stages have strong special moves

good luck fighting whoever in r2

[old orchid]

Malva r2 for me, i use SS Cyrus to sleep lock her anw

[manic kiln]

Parameters are so easy this week 2 perma fields

[swift swan]

dang it ss cyrus havers

[manic kiln]

Just pull marnie tomorrow and destroy malva r2

[swift swan]

no need, I have frogs

[primal field]

R2 wikstorm ok right?

Cuz he flinch or no?

[keen jasper]

I did Drasna R2 because almost all psychic types are special

[swift swan]

R2 is kinda a dangerous zone for practically any E4

all 4 use special moves, some have more special moves and stronger moves than others

but I'd say Wikstrom is a safe bet on R2

[tired sleet]

Wikstrom hits really hard tho

[keen jasper]

I did R3 Siebold

[tired sleet]

I did whichever round the light screen was

[keen jasper]

R4

[old orchid]

whenever i use Karen, she refuses to crit on sync

[manic kiln]

Drasna, Malva, Siebold, Wikstrom for me

[zealous karma]

Ssbrendan somehow lasted emtire fight round 2 poisoned no potion lel

[devout sluice]

Diantha gave me a bit of trouble on the 1st attempt because I forgot to switch units. Had to take out the sides first before damaging diantha.

[keen jasper]

I did Drasna R2 and SS Steven did 102k damage without Sp. Def. drops

BTW, did we have half sync CD for this entire first Kalos CS or not?

[formal vigil]

No we didn't thankfully

[keen jasper]

Well, how many times did that happen?

Where a CS doesn't have half sync?

[eternal lodge]

@keen silo @swift swan https://discord.com/channels/583120259708616715/1079655681973571584 B)

[swift swan]

[swift swan]

More often than you think

Wait, but a whole MONTH without half sync? Yea that's quite rare

[prime warren]

Considering kalos CS fights nukes hard

It's a blessing

[paper summit]

you nuke harder, easy

[tulip aspen]

between mc solgaleo and 2/5 wally who would be my better option for master mode wikstrom

[old orchid]

Solgaleo

just bring a good crit / gauge support and a spdef debuffer like Lucian

if you dont have a reliable debuffer, bring Wally along to form a dual strike core

[zealous karma]

Lucian is a gauge support and Spdef debuffer

[paper summit]

[old orchid]

oh yeah

non EX Lucian nuked 70k ontype

thats impressive

[verbal karma]

R1 Siebold
R2 Wikstrom
R3 Malva
R4 Drasna
That good?

R1 Siebold would be a team involving SS Erika, obviously

[trail smelt]

Goodbye Kalos, wasn’t too bad apart from my godawful Fairies failing

Ready for next week

[void wyvern]

Mina will never godawful. Just awful.

[verbal karma]

R1 Siebold: Rosa/SS Erika/Brendan
R2 Wikstrom: Maylene/Aura Cynthia/Wally
R3 Malva: SS Blue/Karen/Sabrina
R4 Drasna: Sycamore/Anni May/Giovanni

bolded sync pairs are EX'd
Is this a good team set-up for CSMM?

[swift swan]

Is your giovanni EXd and powerboosted?

[sly imp]

Is it alright if I put adrenaline on CCalem?

[trail smelt]

It’s fine if you can’t quad queue consistently

[sly imp]

Or should I just remove masked royale

I think terrify is ruining the quadqueue

[keen jasper]

It most definitely doesn't

[sly imp]

Ohhh

[keen jasper]

I think it's the gauge acceleration field wearing off

[sly imp]

I'm doing r3 malva with CCalem Sydney and MR atm and I kept failing quadqueue

I see

[main crow]

What are the stages parameters we got this week pin is not updated yet

[trail smelt]

It was up there earlier just scroll up

[paper summit]

or just look at them in game...

[manic kiln]

The other 3 are fine. Siebold probably not, muddy water spam will kill erika for sure. Run 2 supports, brendan won’t do anything here. You can keep rosa for ex but use another support to help erika

[main crow]

Perma field

[trail smelt]

E4 perma field so we can slap one there and another for the champ lol

[grand trout]

Yayyy

Done kalos

[verbal karma]

Yes

[verbal karma]

EX Rosa/SS Erika/Lyra for R1 Siebold then?

[grand trout]

It's so nice half sync wasn't seem for a while

[manic kiln]

Don’t use mono team if you don’t know what you’re doing. That team is fine but have to play around with the parameters to clear, neither rosa or lyra can tank that well but you can try. Have to presync tho

[verbal karma]

Oh, don't worry, Sunny Day should make SS Erika strong enough that the lack of tanking won't even be a problem

[swift swan]

then he and sycamore will fight for first sync

[verbal karma]

...the risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math

Turns out SS Erika doesn't hit hard enough after all

and the fact that water type moves are at play also means that I can't really use Blaine for setting up sun either

[old orchid]

Blaine weakness is Rock

Also its better to bring a defensive support instead of Rosa

[verbal karma]

No wait

He's weak to rock

I actually can use Blaine

[old orchid]

What move level is your Erika?

[verbal karma]

Heck, I was counting on using Rosa's EX sync buff...

SS Erika is 2/5

Though I also have a 5* Tech Candy right now

[old orchid]

Thats why she doesnt do enough smg

Dont

Dont candy gen pool

Better to use her with another sun abuser

Like 2/5 Brendan

[verbal karma]

Oh yeah, she IS gen pool, right

[verbal karma]

That's what I initially planned, too

Rosa/SS Erika/Brendan

[old orchid]

Replace Rosa with someone else

She doesnt work well with others

[verbal karma]

Hmm...3 of my 8 EX supports are already in use, and Rosa doesn't seem to work out, so that leaves me with:

SS Elesa
Skyla
Holiday Jasmine

[old orchid]

EX Sonia would be the best choice

[verbal karma]

I don't have Sonia EX'd yet

[manic kiln]

2/5 sserika no wonder. But even at 5/5 she’s still at risk being killed by muddy water not the sync probably need to off type. That being said i tanked with og erika, she’s unkillable under sun

[marsh crater]

Can my 1/5 cynthia clear ground weak 2k this week?

[manic kiln]

If you have enough supports

[marsh crater]

My frog pair and sidney already confirm 2k

Oh sync orb. Pls

Wait fighting weak i can do solgaleo right?

Drasna i just use mewtwo?

[manic kiln]

At least with perma field and sand she’s less terrible. 1/5 offers nothing tho so needs better support. Courtney and a sand setter, if you have bertha she’s better than cynthia at 1/5

[onyx ice]

If you have 3/5 Bertha she can nuke the mid while Cynthia DPS the sides with earthquake

[marsh crater]

And grass hmm i can use solar beam silver and ss erika?

[manic kiln]

Bertha is funny she 1 shot everything with sync

[marsh crater]

Bertha?

[onyx ice]

3/5 Berta has an insane nuke

[marsh crater]

I dont have her

[onyx ice]

Do you have Ingo?

[marsh crater]

No ingo either

[manic kiln]

Still have sinnoh tickets? Time to gamble

[onyx ice]

Then Cynthia is trash at 1/5

[marsh crater]

Well maybe just off set

[manic kiln]

Then you need to off type

[marsh crater]

Off type

Can i use my ss diantha?

[verbal karma]

Ah, screw it, EX Skyla it is

[onyx ice]

Cynthia needs 3/5 at 1/5 can only be salvaged by Bertha or Ingo

[marsh crater]

Def down and nuke with my A.Steven

Hmm sounds like a plan

Zone is not weather right?

[swift swan]

nope

[manic kiln]

No both can be used together

[swift swan]

anni steven "nuke"

[marsh crater]

Tho maybe i can use emma. Planning to grid my triple crobat

Wanna beat this calem ebe too

[onyx ice]

Hapu is probably a better option than 1/5 Cynthia

[marsh crater]

Dont have enough resources. So yeah either A.Steven ss diantha combo or emma

Skyla A.Steven SS diantha

[onyx ice]

F2p ground roster isn't the bestest

The sightseer is a good f2p ground type if you have her

[marsh crater]

I have lots of unit gridded. Off typing is the way now. Not enough resource to build new team

[onyx ice]

But don't know if the stage is special resistant

[marsh crater]

I see.

Hariyama brick break can break physical shield from parameter?

[onyx ice]

Yes

It can't remove critical shield however

But regular shields aren't a problem unless you miss the crit with your sync/max move

Critical hits ignore shields, defense buffs and negative attack

[marsh crater]

Oh?

So no need to worry about shield huh if i can crit

Demn i never knew

[onyx ice]

The shields are only there to mess with 80% crit on syncs and max moves

[swift swan]

Recommended teams according to the tips:
Fighting-weak Wikstrom: SSA Cynthia, SC Diantha, SC Guzma
Psychic-weak Drasna: NY Sabrina, Anni May, SS Steven
Dark-weak Malva: Sawyer, SS Cyrus, Sidney
Grass-weak Siebold: Lyra, SC Rosa, SS Leaf
Ground-weak Diantha: Phoebe, Courtney, Maxie

incredible, I can replicate exactly... none

[verbal karma]

Oh god, Brendan is even WORSE of a choice 😦

[onyx ice]

I can replicate only ground weak

[manic kiln]

Lol a bunch of limited units

Wikstrom

[onyx ice]

Not that the recommendation are that optimal

[old orchid]

I can replicate Dark and Grass lol

[verbal karma]

dies to literally two Muddy Waters

How is he a better Sun damage dealer than SS Erika if his survivability is nearly 0?

[onyx ice]

Erika has bulk?

[old orchid]

Dmg dealers usually have poor survivability

If not 95% of them

[verbal karma]

At least SS Erika has more bulk than Brendan

[manic kiln]

Their hp and def are very close tho

[verbal karma]

Well, yeah, I know that, problem is that Skyla can't heal Brendan fast enough

[onyx ice]

I guess It's time for Gardenia to shine

She has good special bulk

But paper physical one

[old orchid]

Erika + Brendan core is fine

Just need to bring a defensive support

That can buff spdef

[onyx ice]

But gardenia is better cuz sunny disposition and tm that reverse debuffs

[manic kiln]

Also can just reset to avoid muddy water but all 3 of them use this move

[onyx ice]

Definitely i don't want to deal with accuracy down

Gardenia should be able to tank muddy water

[verbal karma]

...nope, Brendan isn't strong enough to beat Siebold before he does his first sync

even with sun buffs

Hmm...maybe I need to sacrifice Ramming Speed to get more sync atk+ panels...

[swift swan]

SS Leaf my beloved

This isn't even with crit strike 2

And not even max relentless

[old orchid]

Not 99999? Weak

[swift swan]

You're living in the past with the old damage cap?

Could probably hit over 99k if I had adjusted the params and got max relentless

(this was strength 6, I could probably take more HP instead)

[old orchid]

Yeah she will oneshot ontype mid with max HP

[prime warren]

What's the most obnoxious stage this week?

[full mesa]

Or you can give him vigilance and use the TM on round 2 instead. Use brutal swing on R1 for gauge control.

[full mesa]

I'd say the champion one if you lack ground like me.

[sly imp]

I ended up replacing Masked Royale with Karen for Snarl then post synced instead

[prime warren]

I have 5/5 cynthia, I should be fine then

[full mesa]

That works too but my strategy is universal.

[prime warren]

I assume others stages not as bad

[full mesa]

I had nice counters. SSACynthia, Dual Frogs + Sidney, SSLyra, Bianca/Lucian/SSSteven combo.

It wasn't even a challenge.

[prime warren]

Well I have keldeo, Lear and SSerika

But SSerika no terrain so I am worried abt entry passives

[full mesa]

SSErika works too. My team was SSLyra/Lyra/SSErika with Lyra as the tank.

[verbal karma]

...nope, Brendan still isn't strong enough 😦

[full mesa]

Did the battle on round 3.

[keen jasper]

Dual DPS

[verbal karma]

...wait...does Siebold happen to have high Def, but low Sp. Def?

[keen jasper]

He doesn't have any defensive entries

For me, I just used SS Brendan, Lodge Sycamore and OG Brendan

[verbal karma]

Hmm...I was wondering if maybe a Sp. Atk Sync Move might do more damage

But then again, Siebold uses X Sp. Def before his sync, so maybe not?

[old orchid]

What support are you using?

[verbal karma]

SC Jasmine

[keen jasper]

Like I said, Siebold has no defensive entries

[verbal karma]

She can buff Sp. Def AND crit

[old orchid]

How about parameters?

[verbal karma]

Pre-sync

[old orchid]

Does Erika have at least +4 atk?

[verbal karma]

She does

[old orchid]

Do you just focus on mid?

[verbal karma]

Yes

[keen jasper]

I'll repeat this if I have to

You can make your own parameters

[old orchid]

The pre sync params are fine

I dont want to stress them

[verbal karma]

I am bad at making my own parameters, though, hence why I am following the ones in the pins

[keen jasper]

Ok then

[manic kiln]

Finally manage to clear wikstrom with mono team using no limited unit maylene grid really helps

[old orchid]

I guess you used her with Bruno and Cobalion right?

[manic kiln]

Still using bea

[keen jasper]

Figured

[manic kiln]

But you have to roll for no earthquake run

And yes no flash cannon

[keen jasper]

[verbal karma]

...would Gardenia be better than Brendan or nah? Both are 5* and 5/5

but Brendan has Dauntless Lucky Skill while Gardenia has Critical Strike, using her grid and SS Erika's Sun to not get debuffed from Leaf Storm

[swift swan]

I wouldn't say so, I prefer Brendan

[manic kiln]

And Hapu clear done

[prime warren]

Or you can just go single dps comp with SSerika

It was comfy enuff

[manic kiln]

I mean sserika with 2 supports is probably the best even with 2/5 erika. Just need some spdef or potions

[prime warren]

Drasna used x spl atk before Lear sync

Couldn't do 5 digit damage

[old orchid]

Should bring a hazer

[prime warren]

Yea but no supp ex hazer

If only SSmisty was support instead of tech

[verbal karma]

I already tried that

Then again, I tried with Rosa as support, so...

Maybe I should try again, but with only SS Erika syncing

[prime warren]

You have 3/5 Lyra?

Rosa also potato tank without 3/5
And even 3/5 is mediocre at best

And SSerika is physical

Lyra would be a better secondary support with solarize build

[verbal karma]

5/5, even

[prime warren]

Or you can run silver with solar beam grid

Good then Lyra it is

[old orchid]

Silver is weak to Water, and Siebold loves spamming aoe moves

[prime warren]

You can use one of the Hilbert clones for faster setup on sserika

[verbal karma]

Ah, I originally did use Lyra together with Rosa when I had SS Erika as my sole dps

[prime warren]

Oh right
I always think ho oh weak to rock

[old orchid]

needs some dodge luck if you want to use Silver

[prime warren]

Rosa shit support so makes sense why it fails

[verbal karma]

R1 done, but now R2 is giving me trouble

Fighting Field expiring at the wrong time screws over my quadqueing

and Wally is unable to survive even a single sync

[old orchid]

do turn denial then

[verbal karma]

I don't have anyone who can turn denial AND buff crit at the same time

[old orchid]

Wally?

[verbal karma]

Wally only has Dire Hit

and not Dire Hit +

[old orchid]

you dont know about turn denial, do you?

[verbal karma]

I do

Flinch

[old orchid]

and what move level is your Wally?

[verbal karma]

5/5

You mean Wally can flinch with grid?

[old orchid]

no need to, just KO the left side before they move

then sneak in a move

also Wally can max crit in one turn with grid

[swift swan]

I'm pretty sure his new grid fixes this

[old orchid]

yes it does

[onyx ice]

Siebold was brutal, not sure if i would have cleared it with gardenia if lyra sync didn't critted

I mean, was a bit brutal because i refused to use SS lyra, but still 1st try victory

Diantha just died turn 2

[verbal karma]

Nope, not strong enough to even do that

[verbal karma]

👀

[undone ether]

who did you guys use for Drasna?

[verbal karma]

Ah, oof, it's just an MPR for Dire Hit...

[old orchid]

do you have Lucian?

[old orchid]

read carefully

the tile you need is located under Trainer Move Ferocious Moves 9

[manic kiln]

Also you have ex bea why bother using wally

[old orchid]

oh yeah

[onyx ice]

I used SS Steven, Mesprit and anni may

Ani may could have been replaced by bianca or any psychic terrain unit since i didn't even attacked with her

[prime warren]

I used Lear, eleSSa, Bianca

Just sync Accel went brrrr

[undone ether]

This team any good?

[prime warren]

3rd sync was 88k on mid but drasna used x spl atk so

No courtney?

[undone ether]

1/5

[prime warren]

Still better than Bertha

[undone ether]

bertha's 3/5 though o-o

[prime warren]

......

What is Bertha doing for that team?

[undone ether]

sandsummoner + ATK Down and Rock stuff, and Sp.DEF the entire team

[onyx ice]

Don't know if selene has enough output

[undone ether]

i think

[prime warren]

Yea but diantha is physical

[undone ether]

@onyx ice could just run Brendan 😦

[prime warren]

Ingo already sets sand

[old orchid]

the Selene team is bad

[prime warren]

The issue going to be dps

No Brendan/sserika for Selene team?

[onyx ice]

Yes but Brendan kinda wants sun unless you go for sync nuke build

[undone ether]

o.o

[prime warren]

Also cerena is wasted in deoxys team

5/5 cynthia and Bertha and ingo

The sand

[old orchid]

replace Bertha with Courtney

[undone ether]

1/5 courtney though ;-;

[old orchid]

Bertha is redundant

1/5 is enough

[lethal cloud]

it doesnt really matter

[old orchid]

her job is just setting zone

[prime warren]

Zone is all she does

[old orchid]

[lethal cloud]

there is a parameter that gives perm field effects

[prime warren]

I actually had trouble with cynthia

Coz she refused to crit

Still cleared it tho

Coz courtney

[old orchid]

why

[undone ether]

These are my grass pairs

[old orchid]

you have SS Erika

use her with Brendan

[onyx ice]

Used these

[verbal karma]

for Sp. Atk attacking?

[old orchid]

Wikstrom doesnt have high spdef or Wise Entry x2

use Bea over Wally

[verbal karma]

Ah, whoops

[undone ether]

what are the uhm

order?

[onyx ice]

Use SS Erika, she nukes really hard

[undone ether]

Lets go? ;o

[onyx ice]

Lyra has light screen, that may help against muddy water

[prime warren]

I just offtyped it coz -3 accuracy was pain

[onyx ice]

Used gardenia so accuracy down wasn't an issue

[prime warren]

Oh yea gardenia TM

[swift swan]

absolutely

[prime warren]

You can skip out ssleaf for Brendan as well

[swift swan]

I gridded pinpoint entry on my SS Leaf to mitigate the accuracy debuffs

though I had ss lyra on my team they can't debuff your accuracy if they're flinched

[prime warren]

No sslyra

[manic mica]

holy fuck siebold hit me with the 3x muddy water crit

[prime warren]

[manic mica]

off rip

[sly imp]

probably can use bp clemont for acc buffs and tanking too

[onyx ice]

Ss Misty can help with mist and spdef buffs

BP clemont works well with ss erika

[undone ether]

Damn that acc buff on ss leaf is so good xD

[lethal cloud]

or OG Lillie works as well for acc buffs

[prime warren]

Yea I was just throwing my prebuilt team of Lyra, SSerika, ssleaf at it

[undone ether]

Hem In 2 is also noice 😮

[prime warren]

Should have adjusted it instead of throwing rats

[undone ether]

i managed to get -2 Eva, so the -4 Acc actually still hit

[manic mica]

did u guys post sync for siebold?

[undone ether]

i managed to sync 4 times before he could use his 2nd sync.

Solar Propulsion is real o/

[manic mica]

just gotta get lucky i guess

[onyx ice]

I did presync -2 (like always)

[undone ether]

I did this o.o

[rigid flint]

Yeesh

That’s a lotta defense

Did u stall?

[undone ether]

i mean. SS Leaf. lol

[rigid flint]

Or was it brute forced

[undone ether]

both actually.

lol

[rigid flint]

Ah

[old orchid]

use the param sets pinned here

[rigid flint]

Makes sense now

[verbal karma]

Oh hey, Critical Eye was enough for Wally to beat Wikstrom...and he didn't even need to sync the middle!

[rigid flint]

Wally good indeed

[undone ether]

the dps from poison wasn't really doing a lotta damage though

[onyx ice]

Diantha was funny with double max quake

[undone ether]

but SS ERika did though

[verbal karma]

Time for R3 Malva!

[rigid flint]

Yeah SS Erika is insane

[undone ether]

them solar propulsions are clutch i swear

[manic mica]

i did not get a single solar propulsion

but i won anyways

[undone ether]

noice

man, ir eally want to 2/5 or 3/6 SC DIantha

i just dont have a lot of candies currently (1 tech + 2 omni)

[manic mica]

ok i cant quad queue wikstrom for some reason

[lethal cloud]

most likely its the steel zone ending that is causing it

[undone ether]

Man she's tough o.o

[versed meteor]

Wtf is with this wilkstrom stage

[undone ether]

you need to change the zone.

immediately

[versed meteor]

Oh look i have no zone setter on my roster

[undone ether]

you also kinda want to drop their SP.DEF and SP.ATK if you can.

[versed meteor]

And defogger are useless

[undone ether]

SPDEF boosts their sync move.

SP.ATK boosts their normal attacks

[versed meteor]

Why did they use cserena if you use bianca its a lot easier

[verbal karma]

Wew, R3 and R4 were a cakewalk

[undone ether]

iunno.

i just love my Stat Drops

[versed meteor]

True

[cosmic vortex]

Still don't have CHop, so i just bruteforce wikstrom

Didn't know the gimmick is to remove zone

[verbal karma]

Now the question is: what gimmick should I use for R5?

[old orchid]

Depends on your team

[versed meteor]

So if you don't have zone setter wilkstrom is not doable

Are there even any f2p zone setters?

[old orchid]

Just use a good tank

Courtney

[lethal cloud]

courtney

but u kinda want her for diantha

unless u are off-typing for her too

[old orchid]

Also Wikstrom has Earthquake

Its a double edge knife

[versed meteor]

Dont have her

[old orchid]

So just use a good tank

[versed meteor]

+4 defence still knocks out wally

[old orchid]

Earthquake?

[versed meteor]

Yes

[old orchid]

What params did you choose?

Should check pins for recommended param sets

[versed meteor]

2k param without ally healing so 1900

[old orchid]

Uhhh that team is bad

[manic kiln]

what is that team

[verbal karma]

...oh...

[old orchid]

Which params tho

[undone ether]

I really should ex incineroar hum

[verbal karma]

Elesa lowers speed, Hapu lowers accuracy, Naomi deals damage

[manic kiln]

use 1 dps, hapu or naomi only

[late grove]

good lord

[keen jasper]

Naomi needs sandstorm

[verbal karma]

Pre-Sync, but with Max HP ^2 instead of No Stat Reduction

[verbal karma]

...oh...

[onyx ice]

The most f2p zone setter is Courtney (and isn't f2p or even in the scout ticket pool)

[verbal karma]

Okay, Bertha instead of Hapu

[late grove]

semi f2p

[swift swan]

how many times do I have to mention this: Please don't use Max HP 2 unless you are really confident in your nuker

replace it with strength, my God

[onyx ice]

C tier f2p

[late grove]

you right

time to use looker off type with max hp 2

[keen jasper]

[late grove]

I'm that confident(don't try this at home)

[verbal karma]

It worked perfectly fine for R3 and R4 as well, so I thought it would work in what should be a not too difficult R5

[old orchid]

Didnt ask you but thanks for the information

[swift swan]

just add strength 1, it's much easier

[verbal karma]

Ah, whoops

[lethal cloud]

i no longer use the recommended params, i always use my own gut feeling and build my 2k params for different teams

[keen jasper]

I'm almost always using max HP and offensive parameters

[verbal karma]

Anyway, what gimmick should I use for R5?

Never got an answer to that

[keen jasper]

Infinite fields

[lethal cloud]

i hardly touch hp nowadays

[verbal karma]

Oh yeah

[manic kiln]

obviously perma field

[sly imp]

I used bertha with perma field effects

[verbal karma]

I have Sandstorm

I forgor 💀

[sly imp]

it's funny how she chips 3 damages

[lethal cloud]

ever since i dropped the good ol' poison stall

[keen jasper]

Bertha also has Stealth Rock for triple DoT

[swift swan]

I'm starting to consider this too because the battles end so quickly with my nukers, but I will never recommend this if you're struggling to do a basic presync clear

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R1 is a no-brainer then, no idea why I asked 💀

[onyx ice]

Add max wildfire and burn for 5 dot

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Brain mush right now, I guess

[keen jasper]

Just do the team

[undone ether]

Ooof. That head smash. Just pain ;-;

[lethal cloud]

the 1st params i had 3 choices to make

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I am doing the team!

[versed meteor]

Wtf is wilkstrom sync special?

[onyx ice]

I just set ground zone with Courtney and let her die to head smash

Turn 1

[keen jasper]

Because it is

He also has Thunderbolt and Flash Cannon

[onyx ice]

Roxanne sync is special too

[versed meteor]

So argggg damn wally cant live shit +4 still gets ohko

[onyx ice]

Probopass is special

[lethal cloud]

Diantha's team had head smash? I think I must be lucky as hell