LQ pic, you can get my HQ pic i quoted right above
#Champion Stadium
manic kiln
manic kiln
usually someone will pin right away but i guess everyone's busy with the datamine today
full mesa
So Unova next. Back to relaxation.
proud axle
Yeah, they're not so bad
versed meteor
Thought i saw kalos back to back
mellow linden
Ah, Unova, a return to easy mode
manic kiln
it's anni so new players will join, easy cs makes sense 
frosty axle
it's anni so new players will join, easy cs makes sense <:CynthiaSmug:6016144897...
yes they do it all the time
low linden
@patent vigil check the pinned here
frosty axle
and more players for me to train on anniversary which makes me happy
full mesa
Apart from the Sinnoh-Hoenn back to back this summer, we usually have an easy CS after a hard-ish one.
nocturne pawn
sinnoh hoenn sounds hellish
void wyvern
Unova is always good. It’s nice paced, great for reminding of the fundamentals of the game and it’s fun for using uncommonly used pairs.
frosty axle
sinnoh hoenn sounds hellish
they not that bad compared to Kalos
full mesa
Depends on your roster. Personally it was a challenge.
frosty axle
Kalos made me think of different F2P combos which Sinnoh and Hoenn rarely did
nocturne pawn
“fun”
manic kiln
time for CSMM level 2 when they release all region
swift swan
It's challenging, it's not braindead clears like the first four regions
I love having to build my teams to counter a gimmick
full mesa
time for CSMM level 2 when they release all region
All regions or for the old ones?
manic kiln
idk if they plan to do galar so that's 1 left, i don't think gen 9 will be here anytime soon
and now all 3-4* has grid and they slowly giving 5* expanded grid it's a good time to add level 2
full mesa
and now all 3-4* has grid and they slowly giving 5* expanded grid it's a good ti...
But what will level 2 have? MM has the extra parameters.
frosty axle
Kalos etc should have been lvl 2
manic kiln
probably more parameter but i can see them adding another team so 3vs6
manic kiln
would prefer 5 then 2 on each side and middle
that works too, not too hard
frosty axle
that works too, not too hard <:CynthiaSmug:601614489783238669>
yes especially with an EX striker the sides will go down quickly lol
teal siren
What’s the best grid for SS red and zard?
proud axle
Depends a little on whether you're giving him Sun (though usually you do want to)
nocturne pawn
what move level is he
proud axle
Haymaker if you can boost his Atk. Solar Flare 5 if you have Sun.
Note: having him use his TM post-mega is a terrible way to give him Atk
teal siren
2/5 could give him a candy for 3 and was going to try and use blaine for Sun
proud axle
Hm. Were Haymaker and Solar Flare 5 available at 2/5...?
paper summit
The former
proud axle
Oh, okay
paper summit
SF5 is 3/5
teal siren
I just gave him candy he’s 3/5 now
proud axle
So prioritize Haymaker, then. Sun is still nice if you can get it, but Haymaker doubles his sync damage whereas Sun gives "only" +50%
If you want to sync nuke, that is
teal siren
So this grid?
proud axle
He still works fine just Blast Burning. Could pair him with Silver and have Silver get all the syncs for sun
nocturne pawn
So prioritize Haymaker, then. Sun is still nice if you can get it, but Haymaker ...
well sf5 makes sun equivalent to a stat sync multiplier
cuz sun is 50% fire
proud axle
well sf5 makes sun equivalent to a stat sync multiplier
SF5 isn't available to them.
Unless they candy Red, and... Let's try not needing to
paper summit
They just said they jumped the gun and candied him
nocturne pawn
they literally just did though
proud axle
But wait. Is this for fighting Wikstrom?
teal siren
But wait. Is this for fighting Wikstrom?
Yes
proud axle
Oh.
I'd be nervous using Red against Wikstrom due to all the SpAtk debuffs
teal siren
Unless they candy Red, and... Let's try not needing to
I’ve got candies to spare so I did it
proud axle
I don't think I have any further useful info here. Wikstrom is... Probably not a good environment for Red
nocturne pawn
its not that bad tbh
proud axle
Might be winnable if it's not Master Mode
mellow linden
Tbh it’s probably plenty doable on Master Mode as well
Sun-boosted Blast Burn will hurt
nocturne pawn
if you can take out the sides quickly (should be easy enough with ss red) then the rate of special atk debuffs greatly decreases
teal siren
Sun-boosted Blast Burn will hurt
Should I use Blaine or silver?
mellow linden
Blaine would be better since he gives on-demand Sun
teal siren
if you can take out the sides quickly (should be easy enough with ss red) then t...
Also red isn’t surviving first sync
These are my units to boost reds attack
full mesa
Why does the enemy reach sync?
Do you sync twice with SSRed under sun?
Lastly remove Hop. He is too slow. SSRed/Blaine combo needs speed or abg control.
proud axle
...I'm not sure she gives enough Atk for Haymaker purposes by the first sync
full mesa
Too risky
Sonia is a good unit if she has mpr on 2/5.
And Lyra since we're using sun.
I used Lyra/Silver/Maxie to do fire week Wikstorm
proud axle
This fight is way better for Silver, yeah
nocturne pawn
...I'm not sure she gives enough Atk for Haymaker purposes by the first sync
if shes not full hp shes 3 ranks
their hilbert is 1/5 otherwise id have said him
proud axle
That does not match my recollection of her TM
proud axle
I checked it
Phoebe gives +2atk at 99%
She needs to be below 50% to give 3 ranks
I'm not real sure you can afford to wait that long
nocturne pawn
i mean if this is 2k like one hit could take her under
proud axle
If your tank goes down in two hits, you're not getting two syncs before the enemy anyway
onyx ice
I checked it
Phoebe gives +2atk at 99%
She needs to be below 50% to give 3 ranks
You may try half hp parameter
But Phoebe doesn't have the bestest bulk
devout sluice
proud axle
Unova's one of the earlier ones
Before Alola raised the stakes a little and Sinnoh raised the stakes a lot
civic trellis
Unova/johto/kanto -> alola -> sinnoh/hoenn/kalos in terms of difficulty?
proud axle
If I had to rank them according to difficulty, it'd probably be something like
Hardest
Sinnoh
Kalos
Hoenn
Alola
Unova
Johto
Kanto
Easiest
Sinnoh has by far the most Sentry/Wise x2 skills throwing wrenches into your plans
civic trellis
Sentry/wise isnt too bad if u can on type w a pair that uses the opposite tho
I think the only wise/sentry stage I struggled w was bug lucian
eternal lodge
This started off as a joke for next week, but I'm doing a weekly challenge with some friends and I'm supposed to use at least 1 team consisting of 1 trainer with 3 different suits, gotta make the triantha real against wikstrom.
magic crown
3/5 Holiday Cheer Skyla is fun with these 2
civic trellis
R these good teams for next reset?
I was going to use lucian and bianca but I thought bede is basically both in one (debuff and terrain) and his tm reflects status and drasna has go viral iirc
tired sleet
I don’t think that she’ll survive long enough for the status reflection to matter. I also don’t think ss kris is necessary. Most of the problems are of overkillness, unless they can’t survive
I don’t have SC Sonia so I can’t confirm, but I’m somewhat worried about that team’s gauge
nocturne pawn
im more worried about accuracy
since sc sonia’s dps is already only 85%
and they all have oar1 muddy water
tired sleet
That’s fair
civic trellis
Both sonia and erika r 3/5 btw, but erika has speed buffs and speeding sun etc. + hop ill only use behemoth bash when I have FMN
magic crown
Do my teams look good for next week I'mma off type fighting with a fairy team
proud axle
Both sonia and erika r 3/5 btw, but erika has speed buffs and speeding sun etc. ...
For accuracy concerns, Gardenia is an option. If she gets debuffed, use her TM to invert them to buffs!
rotund lagoon
Do my teams look good for next week I'mma off type fighting with a fairy team
Saturation 
paper summit
rotund lagoon
It just hurts my eyes
magic crown
Oh
civic trellis
For accuracy concerns, Gardenia is an option. If she gets debuffed, use her TM t...
Maybe I can try an accuracy support instead of erika? Since I dont have a support EX on the team I was going to max attack use tm and sync w her
proud axle
Maybe I can try an accuracy support instead of erika? Since I dont have a suppor...
It could. I'm almost hoping I'm blowing the acc debuff threat out of proportion, but it might be handy to start planning countermeasures in case they turn out to be a real problem
zinc island
Is it sadic to feel the gratifying feeling of victory by beating the champion stadium over and over?
rotund lagoon
Is it sadic to feel the gratifying feeling of victory by beating the champion st...
Not really.
Completing battles is fun.
teal siren
I could probably 2k diantha with Fall Iris 1/5, Plumeria 2/5, and Xerneas 5/5 EX right?
swift swan
Even fall iris herself is enough
teal siren
So plumeria is just like overkill?
swift swan
Well sure you can run them together
But I'd probably just run Koga
So iris DPS, Koga nuke
tired sleet
So plumeria is just like overkill?
2/5 Plumeria just seems weak without Inertia
As novemberninth said, Koga would be better
Here’s a team reference if you want it ^^
grim bison
Is sinnoh still the hardest cs
swift swan
I would argue it's still the hardest but saying Hoenn or Kalos is the hardest is also completely valid
grim bison
Funny that the Kalos E4 in X and Y is so easy while the Kalos E4 here is hard
stage, and I don’t see zone activated.
magic crown
No the zone was still there it was doing the flashing disappearing thing
I looked at the footage
swift swan
did you crit? i didn't see cs2 activating (if roark has cs2)
also yeah, like annie said. sentry entry x2
tired sleet
did you crit? i didn't see cs2 activating (if roark has cs2)
He has a sure crit
zealous karma
I tried out Roarks new grid in this well the sync nuke part the damage was so sa...
Strange for me Roark cleared it pretty easily and his DPS was doing around 6-8K
Roark survivability isn’t too shabby either can last until second their sync
Roark plz calm down they can’t hurt you anymore as they’re already dead
keen jasper
Damn, Roark did 10k damage with his Head Smash against Malva
tired sleet
Damn, Roark did 10k damage with his Head Smash against Malva
That’s siebold (against a side, who has no trained body)
keen jasper
That’s siebold (against a side, who has no trained body)
I was talking about myself, but ok
tired sleet
Whoops
keen jasper
It's fine
zealous karma
That’s siebold (against a side, who has no trained body)
(It was against winstrom)
keen jasper
So Roark now can even easily handle Sentry Entry x2 rock-weak stages
prime warren
Lol roark is so fun to run 
prime warren
I don't care abt roark ex since he only has DD3 anyways
He already omega fun with ssdiantha
zealous karma
I don't care abt roark ex since he only has DD3 anyways
He has haymaker as well
And it’s DD5 as well lel
I want his ex for the outfit and a genuine reason to 20/20 him lel
prime warren
I want his ex for the outfit and a genuine reason to 20/20 him lel
Oh yea black+blue outfit
zealous karma
dark osprey
Guess the expectations from Roarks nuke was a bit too much. Especially since his DPS has become really good
onyx ice
roark is ok for me, did like 10k sync <:PrycePain:971377771987206154>
The Beast got unleashed
with 2 whale units
onyx ice
I said it got unleashed, not that it was free
manic kiln
onyx ice
Diantha was 1/5 however
Could output more if i drop sync -1 and the opponent doesn't attack 3 times (or it starts with flame charge)
Even gridless was one shotting the stage
manic kiln
wait was that sync or head smash 
onyx ice
Head smash
manic kiln
i was talking about sync tho 
onyx ice
Yes i meant head smash is the real deal
manic kiln
well i know, but he killed himself even with the grid 
onyx ice
well i know, but he killed himself even with the grid <:WEEZing:7320443685542298...
He was at 1 hp
manic kiln
mellow linden
Well it seems for that fight he became a Two Hit Terror
onyx ice
I could do a proper dps grid and still oneshots the mid with Roark surviving
keen jasper
Could've been more if it MP refreshed 2 more times
onyx ice
Well it seems for that fight he became a Two Hit Terror
I meant he was at 1hp when i used head smash
keen jasper
8 stacks of PMUN
keen silo
I meant he was at 1hp when i used head smash
Final gambit: Roark's version unleashed
onyx ice
Considering the stage has sentry entry x2
With a regular rock weak stage the damage would have been doubled
keen silo
If roark had recoil removal
onyx ice
It's basically Roark offtype
Not really, cuz seun still works
onyx ice
However even without seun should still be enough to one shot the stage
keen jasper
Damn, my Head Smash would've been 42k with 8 stacks of PMUN if I didn't mess up the zones
onyx ice
Tried a run with a dps grid, if i give strength 4 instead of hp 6 + 2 he will survive the hit with standfast 7 + 5
Strength gives a bit of HP but much less than HP parameters
woeful wave
How to play master mode as I join got in first time? Do I try to aim for 850? Though not sure if I can clear
old orchid
yes
manic kiln
yes
old orchid
check the pins for suggested points set
woeful wave
ya I saw the list\
keen jasper
How to play master mode as I join got in first time? Do I try to aim for 850? Th...
You can try to make your own parameters if you can
It's just a suggestion
woeful wave
I guess for now, I will clear as much as possible to gain more points
New Elesa is fun
keen jasper
New Elesa is fun
Which new Elesa?
keen jasper
new elesa grid probably
I mean it could be PElesa too
manic kiln
she's fun?
woeful wave
well she is 1 of my few elec dps that I have
manic kiln
ok so og elesa pelesa is not electric
woeful wave
XD, I do have P Elesa, 1 of my fav chara considering it lottery build into her kit
mellow linden
I can’t believe I have to wait 3 weeks until we get a Ghost weak stage
That’s annoying
rose prism
Is siebold bugged? Even paralysed my attacks don't do much at all
Never had a problem clearing something 1,5k
mellow linden
What team and what parameters?
rose prism
Presync 1,5, status con exchange for strength 1 and Sonia 1/5 Lisia NY 1/5 Bruno 3/5
mellow linden
That’s…a messy team, to say the least
Is there a specific reason you’re trying to off-type?
rose prism
Don't have any good Electro units at all
rose prism
mellow linden
Do you have a 4-star Strike candy?
rotund lagoon
I was gonna mention Marnie, but isn’t she not as good in Electric?
rotund lagoon
Well, Volkner is there.
mellow linden
Fair
woeful wave
what about elesa XD
rotund lagoon
She’s only 1/5
mellow linden
Yeah, if she were at least 2/5 I’d have easily recommended her
zealous karma
Wow Roark
rotund lagoon
I legit could not get to second sync, Talonflame was down by then
zealous karma
I had to spam smash down lel
rotund lagoon
That works
swift swan
They don't call him a rock for nothing 
proud axle
Wow Roark
Wait, that isn't Malva's theme song.
(Listens closer)
Did you really set it to Sinnoh's gym leader theme just to hype Roark up?
swift swan
As he should
proud axle
I was like "why am I hearing Gardenia's voice in my head"
And then I realized Roark's from the same region and it all fell together
tired sleet
Daily region rotation sticks
proud axle
Yeah, I strongly suspect that's why I associate that song with Gardenia in particular
zealous karma
Wait, that isn't Malva's theme song.
(Listens closer)
Did you really set it to S...
Indeed I did
The Sinnoh gym leader theme is prolly my favorite gym remix
proud axle
Picked an appropriate time to use it, at least!
Imagine owning Malva so hard that your themesong plays instead of hers
zealous karma
rose prism
Do you have a 4-star Strike candy?
Yes probably
rose prism
And what move level is your Sabrina?
3
mellow linden
Perfect. Can try Sabrina/Hau/Volkner, get Hau to 2/5 and grid Inertia, grid Sabrina for at minimum Dire Hit All Critical Squad and Reflect Pep Rally
Sabrina handles Hau’s Sp. Atk./crit buffs and helps with Speed upkeep via Reflect Pep Rally, Volkner handles Paralysis and provides Electric Terrain, Hau is the main damage-dealer
rose prism
Okay will try thanks. Who tanks?
mellow linden
Can try Sabrina tanking 1st, and if that fails you can grid Volkner for a tank build and try him tanking instead
nocturne pawn
oh what round is this
volkner actually has a guaranteed flinch/paralysis with r1 param
rose prism
R1 still
mellow linden
Perfect, Volkner will be super good at helping you out with survivability either way
nocturne pawn
and also helps maintain speed better since less chances to proc slo mo
mellow linden
Even gridded for Inertia under Electric Terrain?
Are you using Hau’s Trainer Move?
mellow linden
Hau's Trainer Move doesn't deal damage, it buffs his Speed so his Sync Move can deal damage via gridding for Inertia
Are you using Sabrina's Dire Hit All and using her Trainer Move on Hau to buff his Sp. Atk.?
rose prism
Are you using Sabrina's Dire Hit All and using her Trainer Move on Hau to buff h...
Yes
mellow linden
If I had to guess then I'd say the Sync probably didn't crit
Because Hau’s Sync under Electric Terrain should be a lot of damage
mellow linden
That's on 1st Sync?
full mesa
Only? Have you grid him for sync nuke? Also are you using an ex support before him?
rose prism
Put Hau to 3/5 and grid more, now it worked, thanks a lot
mellow linden
3/5 is cheap for a 4-star story freebie Strike pair anyways
So hey, if it works it works
full mesa
Yeah. With inertia and 2 sync nodes, max spa, crit and speed and elec terrain it should hit for at least 20k after an ex support.
rose prism
Hit for 19k on second hit, no ex on team
nocturne pawn
ok r1 siebold is funny
he literally couldnt get a single attack off with volkner and hilbert
nocturne pawn
r1 parameter increases the chance of extra effects on moves
boreal rose
So?
nocturne pawn
which means volkner has a guaranteed flinch and paralysis
boreal rose
nocturne pawn
he has hostile environment 4 and aggravation 4
which make the paralysis and flinch procs 50%
r1 parameter is essentially another he/aggravation 1 which makes it a guaranteed proc
and he has electric terrain to boost nuke damage
nocturne pawn
yeah drasna is ironically anti ghetsis
since she has a lot of speed buffs which cancels out glaciate
proud axle
You can kind of overwhelm it by adding Pryce for Icy Wind
nocturne pawn
id rather just go for sync nuke
yes its awkward
because u need to noble roar 3 times
boreal rose
Sync nuke?
nocturne pawn
but with cold snap sides shouldnt give you too much of a hard time
nocturne pawn
Sync nuke?
he gets pecking order and devastation
so setting up with noble roar 3x on drasna means his sync hits really hard
because its a 200% multiplier on top of his innate
proud axle
Though if Drasna's not in the negatives for speed, he's not getting his innate this time 
paper summit
Ghetsis doesn't have Devastation
nocturne pawn
i forgot his innate is also speed
paper summit
innate is Cakewalk
nocturne pawn
bruh why does he get overpower 💀
paper summit
the guy has Overpower, the dps one
proud axle
That's why I add Pryce
boreal rose
I used Steven
boreal rose
Pluses of 850
boreal rose
And how many are Ice tupe
nocturne pawn
ok im just saying its helpful to specify
like just saying steven could also mean you used ss steven
@supple blade so whats the issue
boreal rose
like just saying steven could also mean you used ss steven
Why would i use him on ice weak?
proud axle
And we're supposed to know this... how?
boreal rose
I've said this a lot of times
boreal rose
Summer Steven?
prime warren
In a game with so low bar
proud axle
There was a whole story chapter about learning to work with people you don't like
paper summit
Why do you have a limited unit that you don't even like
the nonsense meta mentality...
proud axle
It's even one of the new Trainer Lodge illustrations
nocturne pawn
There was a whole story chapter about learning to work with people you don't lik...
wait which one was it lol
proud axle
Pryce would straightup refuse to let you battle him for the badge until your team gets over it
proud axle
It's why his badge is the Harmony Badge
supple blade
<@1048007747431567400> so whats the issue
It's not champion stadium
prime warren
Next week CS looks fun
supple blade
It's a normal event
nocturne pawn
wait then what was the fight
prime warren
Only 2 typings I don't have zone
nocturne pawn
It's a normal event
is it the kalos battle
prime warren
And even those can be bruteforced
nocturne pawn
if it is thats because hes unboosted
supple blade
The one with sycamore on it?
nocturne pawn
yes
supple blade
Damn
nocturne pawn
hes not boosted in that fight so it makes more sense as to why he does so little
boreal rose
And even use it
Also i dont have SS Steven
proud axle
It's even one of the new Trainer Lodge illustrations
Pictured: absolutely nobody having a good time
prime warren
You didn't say which Steven
He's a unit with 4 limited versions afterall
boreal rose
But i said i have problems with Drasna
boreal rose
Pictured: absolutely nobody having a good time
Pryce: 😐
nocturne pawn
But i said i have problems with Drasna
like i said
specify which
steven has 4 versions
even with context its difficult to figure it out with just a name
nocturne pawn
i know
prime warren
Eventho ghetsis is ez win button
nocturne pawn
but im referring to beforehand
boreal rose
even with context its difficult to figure it out with just a name
Like i said
Why would i use SS Steven
boreal rose
Eventho ghetsis is ez win button
Apperentally not for Drasna
prime warren
Coz sssteven is better than every other Steven even without type advantage
prime warren
Apparently not?
proud axle
More like "Because people can pretty easily crush Drasna with SS Steven, that's why they needed to ask"
boreal rose
Coz sssteven is better than every other Steven even without type advantage
Truly doubt
prime warren
nocturne pawn
nah
prime warren
You actually think he's mediocre like every other Steven
proud axle
Truly doubt
You realize now they're going to wanna post a video demonstrating it, and thus you kind of walked into exposing yourself to more Steven content
nocturne pawn
his main dps move is psycho boost
which means hes already hitting super hard
AND he has downside up
boreal rose
You actually think he's mediocre like every other Steven
I think he is ugly
nocturne pawn
meaning it doesnt drop but instead raises special attack
prime warren
......
nocturne pawn
and in fact
boreal rose
You realize now they're going to wanna post a video demonstrating it, and thus y...
No
prime warren
I feel like the chat is just deviating at this point
boreal rose
I just said i used Steven
nocturne pawn
ill go record myself beating up diantha to prove a point
paper summit
why do you even waste time convincing a person like this?
boreal rose
Its ice weak
nocturne pawn
why do you even waste time convincing a person like this?
yeah good point 
i tend to fixate on this stuff
boreal rose
Usign SSeven is stupid on ice weak when SumSteve exists
paper summit
let them be with their terrible takes and be happy
boreal rose
They arent terrible
proud axle
Would SS Steven possibly actually be better against Drasna than Summer Steven...?
prime warren
Yes
proud axle
So there it is
proud axle
Summer Steven is weaker here than off-typing with SS Steven, because Deoxys is that much stronger
prime warren
So it's not a high bar to beat him
nocturne pawn
Summer Steven is weaker here than off-typing with SS Steven, because Deoxys is _...
or sandslash is that much worse
prime warren
Even vs ice
paper summit
Summer Steven is weaker here than off-typing with SS Steven, because Deoxys is _...
that's true, but SS Steven can off type any of the current stages
proud axle
I wouldn't know. I skipped his banner hoping he'd rerun on a multi-feature banner
prime warren
Oh yea
What candy coin does unova cs give?
north crown
I wouldn't know. I skipped his banner hoping he'd rerun on a multi-feature banne...
Regret 100
prime warren
I cope with Lear anyways
proud axle
Kinda. The Extreme Battle Event was pretty rough, as I recall, but I managed
prime warren
Eventho he feels mediocre at best due to shitty sync nuke modifier
proud axle
Regret 100
They're rerunning SS Brendan with Anniv May, but I already have Anniv May, so I'm... kinda worried
proud axle
Yeah, that's why I'm conflicted. I'm also going for all three Master Pairs so I'm not sure it's enough value to stretch my gems
prime warren
I am a clown so I am skipping em all
Might roll Gloria lodge banner tho for Scottish doggo memes
prime warren
Unless they do Steven grid expansion or smth next month
nocturne pawn
im going for only anni raihan
prime warren
Coz I kinda want physical steel dps
nocturne pawn
cuz i dont have any of the units on his banner + mega simp
my next candy goal is 5/5 raihan for a reason
🥴
proud axle
Anni Raihan is probably a better deal for me. I lack both him and Lucas, and my Redlax is 2/5-- so maybe there's something in 3/5 he can get out of it
prime warren
I don't like galar as much but I don't need any of em eitherways
Bede looks tempting but I can't see myself slotting him over SSmorty, ccalem or redlax with current state of my roster
proud axle
Hop has Fighting Zone and Marnie has jaw-dropping raw power 
paper summit
my next candy goal is 5/5 raihan for a reason
simp was enough explanation, don't worry lol
proud axle
...in Dark, where my roster is a little weak
paper summit
I have enough strong damage dealers, I'll grab Hop for zone since I skipped Cynthia
prime warren
No way I am making horse look inferior to hop of all people
boreal rose
Would SS Steven possibly actually be better against Drasna than Summer Steven......
No
proud axle
Yea but hop outshines my keldeo
England vs France. Absolutely classic
boreal rose
Cuz SSSteven doesnt exist
proud axle
civic trellis
Cuz SSSteven doesnt exist
Oh frik how did I not realize ive had a non existent unit for months
prime warren
Not 5/5, clearly non existent
proud axle
He'll be a real boy someday
boreal rose
zealous karma
Endurance is trash
boreal rose
Real
trail smelt
Oof
zealous karma
I wish drasna didn’t have Endurance
https://streamable.com/37z8z4 here’s an F2P off type that would usually win if they didn’t have
Endurance
tribal agate
Richu reminder that Helpers would prefer to keep this channel for help related questions not for showcases/flex
zealous karma
I see
I thought it would be posted here as it wasn’t exactly a stage clear but I wasn’t aware sorry
tribal agate
no worries it's not exactly a straightforward rule just a courtesy for notifications
zealous karma
I see
old orchid
Offtype Shauntal doing 6 - 7k dmg is really impressive to me
(2 ghost rebuff and max spdef debuff)
rotund lagoon
(2 ghost rebuff and max spdef debuff)
Wait who has Ghost Rebuff again? Is it Fall Allister?
paper summit
yes
old orchid
zealous karma
Offtype Shauntal doing 6 - 7k dmg is really impressive to me
Don't have either so with SSkris and Champ serena she was only doing like 4K
I feel underwhelmed by her sadly
old orchid
Yeah she is restricted to ontype
tired sleet
Don't have either so with SSkris and Champ serena she was only doing like 4K
Here’s a smart 2.7k clear with sskris and ssrcynthia using burn and half ally hp to activate power reserves
paper summit
another instance of Richu ignoring the Edit button
zealous karma
pain
grand trout
For next next week, do you think grimsley can clear Caitlin?
old orchid
Yes if you bring heavy support and zone
swift swan
I forgot grimsley and liepard exists
formal vigil
Attack crit buffer
grand trout
Hilbert it is then
I'd bring Sonia but at 2/5 she can't max crit
can grimsley possibly clear malva this upcoming week
swift swan
anything's possible with zone! though I imagine darkrai will be carrying the battle lol
grand trout
Yeah at that point i think it's better to use darkrai instead
woeful wave
Any recommendations for master mode? This was the team to get the badge before I reach master
proud axle
For Diantha? I used SSLeaf+Janine(Ariados)+Lisia(Altaria)
Toxic stall
Lisia is there to blow away the debuff mirror, and then blow away the Fairy Zone
woeful wave
Haha, don't own them. I could for go diantha clear for master
proud axle
Janine/Ariados is a 3star. Do you really not?
woeful wave
I mean ssleaf and lisia
woeful wave
O I do have him
old orchid
proud axle
Hm, he can blow away the debuff mirror and zone, then (and for that matter he can blow away Lightscreen, Reflect, and Crit Shield)
We probably wouldn't want to do a Toxic stall this way, but he can be useful for a more straightforward clear
woeful wave
O, idm straight forward clear since I only need 700 point for 4.2k
proud axle
Let's see, I think I heard that Mina/Granbull is pretty good for this fight. And she wants the same things Darach does (Atk debuffs)
woeful wave
the cow?
woeful wave
o
proud axle
Don't need her to use Charm when Darach can Feather Dance
She can just buff up and smash things with Play Rough
swift swan
For diantha? I'd rather stall it completely tbh
proud axle
I'm a little tired so you might have to pick the third member yourself. It's looking like you'll need a Support
swift swan
Candy that koga too
proud axle
For diantha? I'd rather stall it completely tbh
Hm, it might not be so bad since they're not looking for a 2k clear. That means they can skip the Strength+6 parameter
old orchid
or pick Strength 6 + sync buff param
proud axle
Koga's worth candies anyhow
old orchid
they only need 700 points
proud axle
4star tech candies aren't that rare
swift swan
or pick Strength 6 + sync buff param
Hmm I would not add sync buff, probably take the shields + strength 6
proud axle
or pick Strength 6 + sync buff param
Eh, 250 points in Light Screen + Reflect + Critshield since Darach is here to blow them away
old orchid
oh yeah the shields
swift swan
If they're using darach for whatever reason, then yeah pick crit shield
proud axle
Defog on the first or second turn, and then wait for Fairy Zone and Defog again
(Perma fields, so Fairy Zone won't expire otherwise)
swift swan
Oh yeah, perma fields
proud axle
He synergizes with Mina too
And provides team Speed so the Support doesn't have to. Maybe... Hop?
swift swan
feather dance for Mina? Sure I guess
woeful wave
Hop is used
proud axle
Oh darn
swift swan
Aaron. Grid mina with sharp entry
proud axle
Ooh, Aaron
woeful wave
old orchid
do you have any 4* tech candies?
proud axle
Gonna need levels and Mina's gonna want her grid
woeful wave
1 for now
swift swan
Classic giovanni can also work. Don't forget to grind his 
Raise him to 5*, the event gives you his resources
If no tech candies I'd rather offtype with cyrus + rain tbh
woeful wave
unfortune dont have enough sync orb hahaha. I could lodge them I guess
proud axle
If Cyrus is below 55, then oof. Tripled EXP reqs for him, after all
If he's not below 55, then he's already used up
swift swan
Any recommendations for master mode? This was the team to get the badge before I...
Cyrus is properly leveled here
proud axle
Oh, the previous screencap was filtered. Okay
woeful wave
ya, to support only
proud axle
Any rain dancers leveled/trained?
swift swan
Btw for reference, next time screenshot your pairs from Pokecenter > Upgrade > Move Level to save up space
Or use the sync pair tracker so you can just update that
+tracker
frozen depotBOT
proud axle
(Or rather, to maximize the number of pairs that can be shown on one screen)
proud axle
tbh for a 700 clear you're fine at 100
Cyrus needs a proper grid to do his work, but if you've leveled him, you've probably already given him the orbs for one
swift swan
Cyrus/May/Roxanne, or replace Roxanne with CGio for faster crit buffs
woeful wave
I can get sync orbs from lodge
swift swan
You don't have cyrus gridded yet? 
woeful wave
well, I comeback like 2 weeks ago XD
after 3 year hiatus
so kinda yes for that hahaha
proud axle
Ooooof
Then let's consider other options at the same time before we commit
This is the last day, so if the lodge doesn't--
Oh dear, you're going to spend Lodge Stones on those orbs?
woeful wave
XD
proud axle
OoooOOOooof
Let's definitely call that a last resort
How many orbs do you have?
And have you done Victory Road yet?
woeful wave
ya
proud axle
So I'm guessing you already received and used the 7500 from it...
Any orbs left right now?
proud axle
So this is basically going to mean going in gridless. Okay.
Cyrus might still be an option since Critical Strike 9 is just that strong...
Going to need accuracy and crit, though.
woeful wave
aaron?
proud axle
Maylene can give that combination, but she needs her grid to do it, and it didn't exist until today...
Does Aaron give acc?
proud axle
He could if he were 3/5 and gridded. Oof
woeful wave
hahahaha, 1/5 XD
proud axle
lillie copium?
Lillie... Hm.
With her on the team, it stops being copium if you can get this much. Costs 2450 orbs.
You might be able to get that much if you happen to be using the gem bundle that doubles your Sync Orb Area rewards
Well, most of that much
Lillie can guarantee him two crits, which is enough to max his crit rate with that
Though I guess he could just use Spacial Rend for his second attack instead, and then her other TM can go to May
Or... hm. Let me see if CSMM itself had more orbs in its rewards
6k and 7.5k award orbs
Hm, you're nowhere near those thresholds. Scratch that, then
Do you have a lot of EXP books, at least?
I'm thinking... if you have a lot of EXP books, you can try Mina+Darach+Aaron, all gridless
(The sooner you answer, the sooner I can go back to bed)
proud axle
Yeah, just feed 'em books to Lv100
And then give that a try first, then we can look at alternatives if it doesn't work
woeful wave
which buff I going for?
proud axle
What buff?\
woeful wave
proud axle
Oh
Hm... Try the fourth one first. If you can't win before the enemy syncs, try the second one next
swift swan
I suppose a gridless clear is possible if you just stall
woeful wave
strength +6 and phy + Special dmg reduction?
swift swan
Lucy shouldn't need any grid
swift swan
I'm thinking... if you have a lot of EXP books, you can try Mina+Darach+Aaron, a...
But sure, try this first
proud axle
strength +6 and phy + Special dmg reduction?
Phy reduction, spec reduction, crit shield (Darach can blow it away)...
450pts left, I think?
swift swan
That's 250 points. Just add strength until you reach 700
proud axle
No Status Conditions is another 50pts, so that's 400 left
proud axle
Maybe...
If you think you can take the middle enemy down before they sync, then Sync Buff +5
woeful wave
1 aaron, 2 darach, 3 mina
proud axle
And then Str 3
Defog on the first turn, and then wait until Fairy Zone to defog again
I guess Darach can TM on the first turn and Defog on the second
woeful wave
aaron will be TM 2 turns then def up
what about mina? TM first turn? or just play rough
proud axle
I don't think the enemy actually starts with any buffs for her TM to copy... let me see her moveset again
woeful wave
proud axle
I've got it.
She uses Charm on the right sidekick
The one on the right is the only one with phys moves, and Darach is busy on the first two turns
She can either Charm it again on turn 2, or start Play Rough spam
Mina gets all the syncs, since she's on-type.
Aaron's a good candidate for EX, and thus would be a choice for first sync... but you probably don't have him EXed yet
woeful wave
I spam play rough on mid, feather on right and def order?
woeful wave
Aaron's a good candidate for EX, and thus would be a choice for first sync... bu...
ya no I cant yet
proud axle
Indeed. Someday. For now, Mina does it
woeful wave
I may have used them somewhere, rosa and SS red .XD
proud axle
Rosa's a fine choice since her 
are all free
SSRed... eh, I'd still EX a few more Supports first, specifically for times like this
proud axle
Doesn't matter, Darach's got a passive that hits them all at once
Though it needs to succeed on its main target for it to spread, so... don't aim for the right
Mina's Charm will mean it reached -6Atk sooner
So Feather will stop succeeding on it
...So okay it does matter. Oops
I'm tired
proud axle
Charm on the right so that if it decides to use a phys attack on turn 1, Aaron takes less damage
Mina doesn't have all the buffs yet on turn 1, so yeah
I guess you could also charm the middle once so that Mina's first sync hits a little harder. If you do this, Darach should feather the left.
woeful wave
hmm, cant kill before they sync
proud axle
swift swan
I would imagine so. You need quadqueue or denial for that
Also, 1/5 aaron can't give max crit
Mina needs to have sharp entry or critical eye, at least
proud axle
Enemy won't have shields up (Defogged) so it's not as bad as normal
I'd have saved Sycamore for this fight, personally
But looks like you've used him
woeful wave
I used him on ice fight
proud axle
Next idea: instead of Aaron, maybe Phoebe
Dire Plus All twice, then if she's taken damage, Unbreakable Bonds gives +2Atk each time
Less survivability than with Aaron, but Mina can crit more reliably
If this doesn't work, switch to another parameter and facetank the sync
woeful wave
Ok
proud axle
If you use the move gauge speed parameter, you can redo your point handicaps. Swap Strength 3 out for Max Gauge -2
Won't need to stockpile as much when you regen it faster, y'know? And the enemy will be a little weaker
proud axle
If this doesn't work, switch to another parameter and facetank the sync
Err, with Aaron back on the team, to be clear
Because his group defense boosts and group heal are better for surviving it
swift swan
Another option: you can stall. Janine + Darach + self sustain tank. No grid needed
woeful wave
Another option: you can stall. Janine + Darach + self sustain tank. No grid nee...
Aaron?
swift swan
He works. Or Leaf
woeful wave
leaf and eevee?
proud axle
Stalling with regular Poison and not Toxic?
woeful wave
Don't aoe atks just kill me?
proud axle
Stall parameters mean you don't need to use handicaps that make the enemy's attacks stronger
Poison/Toxic don't care about defenses
They don't care about maxHP, either, since they deal maxHP% damage
You can stack all the HP and defense ones on
woeful wave
I guess koga?
proud axle
Do you have Lucy?
woeful wave
Have
proud axle
She's better than Koga for stalling, since she can stack Poison Fang and Wrap
Janine (Ariados) can Venom Drench... the issue is that she only has regular Poison (and needs a full grid if she wants to inflict it more than 20% of the time)
Normally I'd use SSLeaf to inflict Toxic for her, but... it seems you picked SSRed instead, so oof
woeful wave
Oof
proud axle
Do you have a very large amount of exp books left? We could force-feed Mina all the way to 110 or 120 just to see if that changes anything
(I wouldn't try going further than that)
Koga might work if we can get supports for him, though... It's just hard to make him work at full power without grid
He is ontype at least.
If you have a spare BP ticket, Janine(Crobat) can give him almost all the support he needs with neither of them gridded
If you don't, then... Hm.
woeful wave
1990 BP point XD
woeful wave
Ya
proud axle
Double damn
Any BP in other missions available?
Maybe you can throw some stamina into an event with BP in a mission reward
woeful wave
I cleared all the event quest hahaha
proud axle
Triple damn
proud axle
Hm, if you can hustle through enough of them, that might work
This, here... this might be enough
1730 co-op orbs
Think, think, thonk...
...If Rosa is the Support... hm.
Rosa Koga Darach
Round Parameter 4 (doubled sync buff intensity)
Turn 1: X SpAtk All, Poison Fang (center, reset if this does not inflict Toxic), Have At You
Turn 2: Energy Ball, Move Like A Shadow, Feather Dance (any)
Turn 3: X SpAtk All, Move Like A Shadow, Defog (any)
Turn 4: Rosa sync (center), Venoshock (center), Feather Dance (any), Quadqueue Time To Energize
Turn 5: Venoshock (center), Feather Dance (any), Energy Ball (center)
Turn 6: Venoshock (center), Defog (any), Energy Ball or Time To Energize
Turn 7: Koga sync (center)
swift swan
Stalling with regular Poison and not Toxic? <:HilbertHmm:625860604347023360>
I'm thinking janine to debuff offenses (atk, sp atk, speed). Lucy works too ofc, but darach only debuffs physical atk and diantha has some special moves
proud axle
I'm not sure the center would actually survive to Koga's sync
proud axle
I'm thinking janine to debuff offenses (atk, sp atk, speed). Lucy works too ofc,...
If we had sync orbs, Janine would be my first pick for guaranteed Poison
But we have very close to none
Kalos League was a hell of a time to rejoin
swift swan
Hmm, fair enough
proud axle
This person's doing Legendary Arena to get more one-off orbs just to get Koga his extra sync multiplier
woeful wave
XD
proud axle
Rosa Koga Darach
Round Parameter 4 (doubled sync buff intensity)
Turn 1: X SpAtk...
Anyway, here's a very tentative battle plan
EX Support, amplified by Round 4
I have only the shakiest of confidence in this idea
If we could replace Darach with another reliable poisoner who can buff speed, we might be somewhere
Which would be... either BP Janine (10BP short) or Ariados Janine (a zillion sync orbs short)
old orchid
We have the increased chance to proc secondary effect this week right?
Oh we have
So just bring Lucy
proud axle
Oh, that's true
old orchid
Poison Fang will have 100% chance
keen jasper
Poison Fang will have 100% chance
Doesn't she have HE1?
woeful wave
1725 orb now
proud axle
Koga Lucy Roxanne
Turn 1: Study Buddies, Move Like A Shadow, Venom Fang (center)
Turn 2: X Def All, Move Like A Shadow, Venom Fang (right)
Turn 3: Study Buddies, Venoshock (center), Wrap (center)
Turn 4: Koga sync (center), X Def All, Venom Fang (left), quadqueue Venoshock (center)
Turn 5: Ancient Power (any), I Dare You, Venoshock (center)
Turn 6: Ancient Power (any), Wrap (right), Venoshock (center)
Turn 7: Koga Sync (center), Wrap (left), Ancient Power (any), quadqueue Venoshock (hopefully center is already down)
old orchid
Doesn't she have HE1?
They dont have enough orbs
keen jasper
I see
woeful wave
How much orb we talking needed
proud axle
...A lot
woeful wave
XD. I digging legendarys to fight
proud axle
3050 for Lucy to get that skill
woeful wave
I could
proud axle
I'd rather you didn't. We can already use the Increased Secondary Effect round parameter to do the same thing for free
old orchid
I think its better to fully grid Koga than gridding Lucy
Since they will use R1 param
Oh you mentioned already lel
proud axle
Which thing do you want for her? Endurance or TM MPR? Because I'm not sure it's in the budget to get both and Koga's sync nuke
woeful wave
1 to 4 are the units I used
old orchid
Although I prefer Rosa over her in this case
proud axle
3650 for TM MPR and Barricade
1610 for just TM MPR
Oh, Roxanne's gone anyway
Skyla and Sycamore on the same team...? Yeesh that's a lot of speed
woeful wave
Ok that team may have been overkill
old orchid
Move Skyla to Olivia team
woeful wave
But that team earn 1.4k points for me
woeful wave
Ya
proud axle
Yeah, we're on Diantha with the pairs they have left
For what it's worth, Roxanne's the only one there they'd want for Diantha
woeful wave
That fight for me it so hard
Barely clear it for 600 point
My first clear in hard was Brawly, koga and sabrina
Barely win XD
proud axle
If you're a little crazy, there's this...
4420 orbs
But that might be beyond your budget, especially after getting Koga's sync multiplier
With this, you could do Koga Janine Rosa, with the fourth parameter, and use Rosa's EX on the first sync to make Venoshock hit like a truck
I suppose Koga might not even need his sync multiplier like that...
The sidekick on the left spams a Water move after Diantha is down. The sidekick on the right uses a Fairy move... this team has no way to get rid of Fairy Zone, so the right side is the next priority
Janine has a 70% poison chance like this
So even without the first parameter, she's very likely to be able to get the center poisoned before Koga starts Venoshocking
Once all three are poisoned, she can switch to Venom Drench to help Rosa survive
old orchid
Using Koga with Janine in this case i prefer letting Koga inflicting poison by himself
And Janine just focus on debuffing
old orchid
I think the turn order for Koga is PF on mid, PF on left, TM, PF on right, then TM
proud axle
With Rosa syncing first, huh
It feels kind of off to put off his Venoshock that long, but maybe Janine's debuff is strong enough that you can survive the enemy syn--
Fairy Zone. Yikes
I'm not sure Koga can OHKO with only +4 eva, even with both multipliers
Also going to need to stack more parameters since we don't have Darach here to blow away the shields and critshield
Think, think, thonk... Counting orbs for a new plan
old orchid
For Koga grid need to get Blind Spot and TM MPR first
proud axle
Leaf/Eevee can get a Potion MPR 2, but not much more than that at 2/5, so maybe she can't hold out for a stall
proud axle
For Koga grid need to get Blind Spot and TM MPR first
If we give him his MPR on top, that's 3100 orbs instead of 1730
old orchid
You gamble with 50% crit on sync?
proud axle
I mean, the original plan was to have Darach blow away the shields, so... failing to crit had way lower stakes
Counting orbs for another plan
We could just... go back to hecking Cyrus
2450 orbs, needs acc support
Leaf/Eevee is available
Need rain. Is May&Swampert available, by any chance?
proud axle
Then this just might work...!
Leaf/Eevee gridless
Cyrus/Palkia with 2450 orbs spent as shown
May/Swampert gridless
I'll try forming a battle plan with this now. (Don't commit yet though)
Turn 1: New World Order, Tackle, Ready For This
Turn 2: Spacial Rend (center, reset if it doesn't crit), Tackle or Potion, Ready For This
Turn 3: Spacial Rend, Tackle or Potion, Rain Dance
Turn 4: Leaf sync, Hydro Pump (center), Muddy Water, quadqueue Tackle or Let's Go
Spam Hydro Pump and Muddy Water. Refresh rain and have May do the next sync
This is... hm. Which round parameter?
Try parameter 4 first, then 1 or 2 if it fails
Score handicaps...
Phys Dmg reduction, Spec Dmg reduction, No Status, Str+1, Gradual Healing, Ally Move Gauge Max -2. That should be 700pts
Someone sanity-check this plan. I'm too tired to keep going
woeful wave
Update, 3225 orb. XD
proud axle
That's enough to do this plan, though I don't want to have you spend the orbs for nothing if there's some flaw I hadn't considered
woeful wave
Ya not yet. planning to clear the last legendary that give orb
keen jasper
Hmmmm, coincidental that next week has fighting, psychic and dark weakness and that's exactly our 3.5 anni units
proud axle
Probably not a coincidence. They've planned similar before
Like that time they had one designed for SSGio, a few days before he actually arrived
rigid flint
Yeahh
I think people have realised that and so use the cs week that the update will be on as a measure to see what types the new units might be
People were guessing Galarian birds or Hisuian starters iirc
proud axle
Then this becomes very slightly cheaper
Net cost of 2200 orbs if you reset his grid to reclaim the ones you don't need
woeful wave
Going in XD
I guess just lvl 110 may? That all I can afford. Not enough to increase max lvl hahaha
proud axle
110 May should be fine, the real MVP here is Cyrus
woeful wave
Ya, almost clear
woeful wave
done clear XD
thank you so much
if you alr complete a region's champion stadium badge, does that means next time the region re-run we get to go master mode at once? not sure if anyone answer this before
proud axle
Yes
Only need to do the medal collection the first time
And then when it cycles back in, you can go to Master Mode straight from week 1
woeful wave
Ugh, getting 18/18 next month again ...
keen jasper
Why is your Sycamore not EX-ed?
swift swan
done clear XD
oh, congrats
well done clearing kalos
unova is much easier, no worries
woeful wave
Why is your Sycamore not EX-ed?
he is, well idk how to make the EX thing in this list
swift swan
right click on the stars
woeful wave
new and improved list. wonder if my list can clear 4.2k total next week
old orchid
is this your first time doing Unova CS?
woeful wave
yes
old orchid
so you have to unlock the medal, again
that means no MM for you until next next week
you have to unlock the medal for each region
boreal rose
Would these team be able to clear next week 10k CS?
I made a Marnie and NoMarnie team in case i dont get Marnie
swift swan
Looks good
boreal rose
Im. Most woroed abt the Psychic weak
swift swan
that should be the least of your worries
dark osprey
I guess Rosa tanking is probably the only concern
sand karma
The opposition will be dead before she feels it
dark osprey
Yeah. I guess so. I think the stage doesn't have too many hard hitting physical moves
mellow linden
Rosa is kinda redundant because A. May gives Sp. Atk. buffs
old orchid
And they fight for sync too
dark osprey
True. And gauge too
swift swan
I guess you can go with a speed buffer instead, since Drasna has slo-mo 9
dark osprey
Maybe they wanted the EX support buff but mega Mewtwo is kinda better
Or another EX support
Either ways it would probably work though
grand trout
I'm more worried as who will tank drasna's toxic
dark osprey
Probably EX sync it away
grand trout
She also has HE
grand trout
I'm thinking of using my burghepi for drasna (he has status immunity)
dark osprey
Yeah all great then
grand trout
Can wally do wikstrom?
Last fighting weak wikstrom i cleared with bea
I don't like repeating teams, and bea barely cleared him
So I'm a bit hesitant about wally
dark osprey
Is this with aura Cynthia?
grand trout
No i don't have her
formal vigil
I beat it with wally
grand trout
Who were the others?
formal vigil
Used him with ccalem and masked royal
formal vigil
Wally
dark osprey
Either would be ok for wally
grand trout
Welp, wish me luck
dark osprey
Can also try double striker with wally
grand trout
Hope the conditions aren't too bad this week
dark osprey
Yeah. It seems you will get through easily
grand trout
I fear we'll be getting half sync this week because that hasn't popped up in a while
swift swan
Congrats 
boreal rose
<a:SusSquint:672491746805940237> that should be the least of your worries
Why is that
marsh crater
Somehow wikstrom i can use ss diantha def down to complete 1.9k. And sacred fire silver hooh build
swift swan
Because gio and anni may are broken psychic types and should do huge damage before you need to worry about anything
boreal rose
Ngl. I feel like i'l have trouble with next CS
No matter if my characters would be broken or no
marsh crater
Im thinking that most tech unit are broken
swift swan
Somehow wikstrom i can use ss diantha def down to complete 1.9k. And sacred fire...
Nuke build silver 
boreal rose
No Build Silver
swift swan
Failed to screenshot the actual numbers unfortunately
swift swan
No matter if my characters would be broken or no
True, this game is all about practice
marsh crater
So had to use other method
marsh crater
Nah for me is sacred fire. Make use ss diantha def down. And b diamond is so broken the side just dies in the process
Kiawe is there just for some crit buff and sync support
swift swan
Overheat is loads better than sacred fire if you want to run DPS Silver
Of course this requires dauntless on him
marsh crater
Maybe cause i want to burn em. So their attack got reduced
swift swan
Just saying, if you ever wanna try that out
marsh crater
My tactic is war of attrition post sync
swift swan
Aaaah, postsync. Something I haven't touched in ages