Champion Stadium

[proud axle]

You can live without EX

[compact yoke]

Solid

[grand pond]

okay well who needs poison I guess

[compact yoke]

And keep the same side pairs?

Flygon and clef?

[proud axle]

Hm, I don't know. I used Hilda(Emboar) and Hilbert(Samurott) myself

[compact yoke]

I like those guys I’ll try that

[proud axle]

Good luck!

[compact yoke]

I got hilbert 3/5 I think

[proud axle]

Perfect!

[compact yoke]

4/5😎

[nocturne pawn]

i hate siebold does anyone know how to deal with this guy

[proud axle]

I actually used a Sacredfire build on Silver because I didn't stop to realize Dauntless already allows him to ignore the debuffs until I was already smashing things with him

[nocturne pawn]

like i know he has healthy advantage but that doesnt solve the fact he has like 45k hp with pre sync parameters

which is just insanely frustrating

[proud axle]

If your Silver doesn't have the Ramp Up grid tile, you can just use Sacredfire too

[proud axle]

I just sent TBolt Red and two sidekicks, but I am guessing that is not an option for you

What options do you have?

[nocturne pawn]

idk my electrics arent that good and theres no way elesa can do 45k damage before sync goes off

i can survive it because of sonia but then surf spam just ruins it

[proud axle]

What options do you have tho

[marsh crater]

For inertia. Maybe use lucky skill to prevent speed drop?

[proud axle]

Elesa and Volkner look good, but that is incompatible with 2/5 Sonia (needs crit)

Ah right, the speed drop

[nocturne pawn]

yeah thats what i tried before but not having any crit stops it

like i can guarantee sync will crit but thats it

[proud axle]

This is troublesome indeed.

[marsh crater]

Crit with kiawe

Ah

Headache

[nocturne pawn]

well kiawe has team speed but 60% and he needs to use a move for that

and yeah only 1 stage so it needs mpr

[proud axle]

Elesa does have an answer here...

Is 3/5 Hilbert available?

[nocturne pawn]

yes

[proud axle]

Then I'd try adding him in Sonia's slot, gridding Elesa for Haste (somehow), and the third slot is Volkner for E Terrain

Hilbert has Impervious IIRC so he and Elesa will both keep their Speed. Should be able to maintain gauge

[nocturne pawn]

im gonna put adrenaline on hilbert because i cant pre queue normally

[proud axle]

Volkner can flinch them to help you "regain" your sync cycle

Don't need Adrenaline for it while you have a flincher. But if you really want to do it, I won't stop you

[nocturne pawn]

she did like 22.5k on sync

not enough ugh

i should try to use wild charge ig

might make up the difference

[proud axle]

...You haven't been?

Two Standfast 5s make the recoil tolerable

[nocturne pawn]

no i never bothered using wild charge on her

but yeah i just gridded the standfast nodes

[proud axle]

On Masters Day, she will have a Standfast 9 added to her grid, for cheap

That will be before this league challenge ends

So you could sit tight until then and have spammable Wild Charge

[nocturne pawn]

great now volkner said no paralyze after two thunder fang

i had he1 gridded on elesa's spark

but yeah this is probably gonna work

[violet timber]

oh boy

thank rngesus

[nocturne pawn]

ok but i stg if he razor shells one more time on hilbert

[keen jasper]

How did you have a hard time with literally the unit made for that fight

[nocturne pawn]

yeah thats literally the exact team the game tells you to use

and siebold razor shell'd hilbert on the opening move again

after i got paralysis

so screw you

[violet timber]

I have no clue

Actually maybe because he’s 1/5

[violet timber]

wait what

I just made it out of my pairs lol

[nocturne pawn]

the game literally says

roxanne classic blue and bertha

btw it worked

elesa nuked for 27k

go off queen

[sand karma]

There's always BPSoph

[proud axle]

OmegaMart has Elesa at 5/5, and that grid update later this week is looking very good...

9 energy left over for situational stuff, even.

But they already won so it's okay

[violet timber]

oh my god don’t tell me I have a clone that works at DeNA

[nocturne pawn]

anyway haste elesa is the true meta for cs

dm me for more pro tips

[keen jasper]

[austere quest]

I offtyped twice because my Ice Team was unable to clear Drasna today

[nocturne pawn]

i did not want to bother with drasna

[austere quest]

I did her second or something? Don’t really remember

[nocturne pawn]

so i threw this little funny at it

my hoenn sweep team

like its literally just a free win for whatever 2k stage i point it at

[austere quest]

I just used my SS Steven Team to clear her

I killed her and Wikstrom and Malva Pre Sync

Oh I actually offtyped 3 times

Offtyping is just too free

[nocturne pawn]

i saved ss steven for diantha

cuz you cant ask me to do anything remotely hard with my poison roster atm

[austere quest]

I saved SS Diantha for Diantha

[nocturne pawn]

1/5 looker 💀💀💀

[keen jasper]

My Looker is 4/5 while I still don't have Hilbert

☠️

[nocturne pawn]

bro how 💀

[keen jasper]

Luck

[austere quest]

I randomly got 3/5 Kiawe but I really want 3/5 Elio because I love AoE Debuffs

[keen jasper]

Over 10.5 months of playing and not a single Hilbert

[austere quest]

Insane

[nocturne pawn]

kiawe is better imo unless you need the triple debuffs

[austere quest]

I know

Sad!

I really like Elio too

[nocturne pawn]

kiawe flexes onto basically every team and has basically everything you could want from a support

while elio has uh

funny debuffs

and uh

sing i guess

[keen jasper]

And X Sp. Def. All

[nocturne pawn]

[keen jasper]

And also +4 Atk./Sp. Atk. for the team

[nocturne pawn]

his crit buffing is very inconsistent

because it relies on the enemy being asleep as well as being a 40% proc

[proud axle]

Elio with Troublemaker is a reliable source of turn denials

[nocturne pawn]

yeah but like serena exists

id be willing to bet more people have serena than elio

[full mesa]

I feel like you can't compare Elio with Kiawe since they have totally different gravities as units.

[nocturne pawn]

i mean yeah you cant compare them directly

but like

having both

i have used elio seriously a grand total of 0 times

while kiawe i find myself using semi frequently

[full mesa]

Really? He plays a decent role in my LG teams.

[nocturne pawn]

lg

see thats where we’re different

[full mesa]

I don't use Kiawe in CS. Slow buffing/debuffing.

Needs at least 3 turns to max out offensive stats and then you have an unreliable team speed boost.

[mellow linden]

Kiawe’s pretty darn great for finishing a damage-dealer’s buffs (like Emma or NY Lisia, for example)

[keen jasper]

I "used to" mainly use Kiawe for helping Silver's damage

But thanks to the update of now you can use the same characters, I'm using Lodge Silver

[full mesa]

I agree with that. But then he doesn't play the primary role of a buffer.

[nocturne pawn]

he also has defense drops cuz of oar4 shadow bone

[keen jasper]

And he also has guaranteed defense drop

[mellow linden]

Yep, Defense debuffs are also great

[nocturne pawn]

hes a jack of all trades

[keen jasper]

Not really

[nocturne pawn]

does a little buffing has gauge control with quick tempo and semi reliable speed buffs and has healing if necessary

[keen jasper]

Jack of all trades is SS Morty

[mellow linden]

If we’re talking strictly buff capability, then he’s not necessary the best. But he does a lot of different things at once

[keen jasper]

If only he has 5/5 grids with Berserker Bunch and All Ramped Up

[nocturne pawn]

his kit is literally doing different things at once how is that not jack of all trades

[full mesa]

He is but SSMorty is just better than him.

[mellow linden]

Eh, they sorta fulfill different niches

[keen jasper]

Because he's still lacking offensive buffs

[mellow linden]

I would pretty much never use one where I’d want the other

[keen jasper]

But he can complete them since most damage dealers these days have their TM's offensive buff at +4

And he has Team Gimme Five and Adrenaline

[proud axle]

I think I prefer targeted Sing over group Hypnosis for CSMM denial shenanigans

[nocturne pawn]

isnt sing also aoe though

[proud axle]

No

[full mesa]

No

[keen jasper]

Sing is only ST

Unless Elio has Go Viral 9

[full mesa]

Only Serena has aoe sleep

[signal plover]

ss cyrus

[latent eagle]

Going for MM, Malva and diantha i feel I’m struggling most team wise

[full mesa]

He hasn't.

[signal plover]

what is lusamine doing there

[mellow linden]

Why is Lusamine on the Malva team?

[keen jasper]

I know

[full mesa]

Forgot about him.

[proud axle]

Your malva team has nobody to get rid of the sun

[keen jasper]

Replace Lusamine

[full mesa]

Diantha team is ok.

[mellow linden]

Also Classic Blue is handling pretty much all of his buffs since he really shouldn’t be using physical moves in the fight

[full mesa]

Elec team is too op. SSTRed can also solo (give him 1 tank and something to change weather) Malva.

[mellow linden]

I’d rather place Ash against Malva if we’re going that route, personally

[latent eagle]

This was my team set up for just the regular run (I usually just hit optimize for regular run ) I know lusamine isn’t good for MM for this

[proud axle]

Yeah, Ash can just drop B TBolt on Malva and wipe her out

[full mesa]

That works too

Also I'm concerned about Drasna's team speed management.

[mellow linden]

If you’re planning for Plumeria to actually deal damage on the Diantha team you’ll need a different Support than Sycamore. Sabrina would work well if you have her

[keen jasper]

Are you using Allister as your poison DPS?

[latent eagle]

Idk like I said this was just my set up for my regular run so I’m wondering what to change for MM

[keen jasper]

Hmmmmm

[proud axle]

You could bring a defogger and go for a post-sync win

Blow away the debuff mirror and then the fairy zone, and you're nearly home free

Diantha doesn't gain anything meaningful from mega evolving

Her stats stay the same and her only benefits are gauge-related

[mellow linden]

If Hilbert is 3/5 EX then Hilbert + Roxie + Lucy is a pretty easy win against Diantha

[nocturne pawn]

im angy that she gets fuel economy while we get hit the gas

like wtf

[mellow linden]

Fuel Economy has no effect on damage, Hit the Gas does

[latent eagle]

I’ve thought about bringing SSA Cynthia to set up fighting zone to get rid of fairy zone

[nocturne pawn]

but 2 gauge moon blast is funny

[signal plover]

you would have to time your sync cycles well

but its not a bad idea

[mellow linden]

Eh, SSA Cynthia would be a poor choice for removing Zones that are set up right before enemy Sync, IMO

Since she only sets it on Sync

[latent eagle]

Girlie is the is like one of my only zone setters lmao

[mellow linden]

If you really want to remove Zone I’d say either a Defogger or Courtney, assuming no other limited options exist

But removing Zone isn’t outright required

[latent eagle]

Let’s focus on the E4 first b4 diantha, ppl were saying put Ash on the malva team? (Replacing lusamine obviously) ppl were saying red could pretty much solo but idk about that for MM

[sinful garden]

i assure you red can solo

even in mm

[mellow linden]

If you’re gonna do Ash against Malva you’ll want to do Volkner (or another Electric Terrain setter) + a good tank that can ideally change the weather for teammates

[signal plover]

red can definitely solo

[latent eagle]

I rather not, MM is hard as it is solo is a no go for me

[mellow linden]

But I don’t even think we need to go that far, C. Blue + someone to change the weather + a Sp. Atk. and/or crit Support can probably manage

It would also free up Hilbert in case you want to use him later

[sinful garden]

just tank with sonia and let red destroy

give it a try and see

[latent eagle]

That’s not a solo my guy

[mellow linden]

Let’s avoid pushing people to do solo/duos if they’re not comfortable with doing so, please

[sinful garden]

you said you dont want to solo

[latent eagle]

^^^^

[latent eagle]

Would Lyra would for crit/sp atk? And uh I can do rain or sandstorm for weather

[mellow linden]

Lyra is kinda buff-anemic outside of Sun, both unfortunately and funnily enough

If you have Bertha she can actually handle +2 crit and provide some defenses to the team

Which would open up your Support options a bit

[proud axle]

Do... do you really want a fire-weak phys-glassy tank facing Flare Blitz

[latent eagle]

Would blue/Bertha/hilbert work

[mellow linden]

I’d avoid Hilbert here since C. Blue is gonna want to focus on Hyper Beam

[proud axle]

Maybe Roxanne can tank, especially gridded for Endure

[mellow linden]

The stage has Sentry Entry x2, which means physical moves will deal a lot less damage

[proud axle]

It's even the recommendation

[latent eagle]

Look type advantages goes Oingo Boingo in the brain with pokemas okay?

[mellow linden]

It’s actually pretty funny, but the in-game recommendations actually work here. Roxanne/Bertha/C. Blue is a very coherent team with solid synergy

[latent eagle]

Okay so blue/Bertha/Roxanne?

[mellow linden]

Yeah, that’s a good start that can be adjusted depending on what happens

[latent eagle]

I stopped looking at the team recommendations after a while 😂

[mellow linden]

I did too, I only knew about it because someone else mentioned it lol

[latent eagle]

Okay so diantha time mmm curse the lack of poison types, here’s what I got for actually poison types

[paper summit]

Koga slander continues

[latent eagle]

????

[paper summit]

What? He is good, but people love to dunk on him for whatever reason

Maybe once he gets an EX people will appreciate him more

[mellow linden]

3/5 EX Hilbert + Roxie + Lucy can clear pretty darn well

[latent eagle]

I’m not dunking on him?????? I legit just said there’s a lack of poison types ☠️

[latent eagle]

Let’s hope I can lvl up Roxie to a decent level

[paper summit]

I'm talking in general... Don't assume someone is attacking you, chill a bit

[latent eagle]

You literally said koga slander to my post/reply so I can assume it’s targeted at me or you wouldn’t have said anything lmao

Anyways what order should I do MM?

[mellow linden]

No particular order except maybe avoiding Wikstrom and/or Drasna on Round 1

[proud axle]

If there's one where you're less confident in your odds of winning, and that team has a Support EX in it, maybe put that one in round 4

Did we go over your Drasna team? I don't know how N's Kyurem works so I don't know if you have Speed or a countermeasure against Toxic Viral 9

[nocturne pawn]

in my drasna run my support got poisoned from poison tail so it didnt work

unlucky but also lucky

[onyx ice]

I used Dennis for drasna

[proud axle]

Looking ahead at next week and some of these are worrying

Dark Malva has Acute Senses (but Grad Healing deactivates it so whatever)
Fighting Wikstrom is not new
Grass Siebold has all three members with Muddy Water and On A Roll

Psychic Drasna has an entire team trying to inflict Poison and/or Toxic, with Hostile Environment and skills to amp their damage against poisoned targets. Also Tripwire 2 so you start with -2 Speed, and Pinpoint 2 so her Toxic won't miss.

Ground Diantha has Trip Up with Ripple Effect, and multiple evasion-nerfing passives to ensure she can land Head Smash, Tough Sync 3 (and precedes her sync with X Def All to use with it), and some teamwide speed buffs (all three have Ramming Speed)

...And Satisfied Snarl to ruin Naomi

[paper summit]

I mean, it's just a common joke I throw whenever someone disses him in some way, no need to look too much into it

[proud axle]

Koga is a ninja

It is his job to be overlooked

Hiding in plain sight, like the pun in his daughter's name

[paper summit]

now that you mention it, this is the first time I notice it lol

[latent eagle]

I wasn't dissing him at all is the thing and secondly how was I suppose to know you were joking? cause it didn't sound like a joke at all

[mellow linden]

For what it’s worth “Koga slander” is a common meme that gets brought up when people mention the Poison roster (either theirs or the game’s in general) being lacking

[latent eagle]

I'm not in this seever enough to get the memes so it very much didn't feel like a joke

[paper summit]

anyway, the point is, it was, so just drop it

[proud axle]

Koga is one of the most powerful Poison-type damage sources in the game, stronger even than several gacha pairs, solely from the strength of his sync moves and the multipliers he can get for it

[latent eagle]

I can still be upset about feeling attacked even if it was a joke cause it was done poorly

[latent eagle]

And I was unaware of that until now so it very much didn't feel like a joke

[tribal agate]

It's fine, no harm no foul

let's move on to the core of the matter

[proud axle]

Well, now you know so you can do Koga slander on purpose next time

He's a ninja; if you forget he's there, then he's doing his job well

[minor mauve]

uhhh sure bud

ill just stick to using looker

[proud axle]

Ah hell. I was thinking of using Courtney against Ground Diantha next week but her left sidekick has Bulldoze and Earthquake

[nocturne pawn]

i mean looker is better damage wise on type but koga also has extra utility besides damage

dude has mind games 9

[rotund lagoon]

Oh yeah I should try Koga for Diantha too

Better yet, triple Crobat team

[versed meteor]

Also psychic terrain does not replace zones

So yes i do think my run was lucky

[onyx ice]

Used these this week, i should try "on typing" malva even if it's basically offtyiping regardless since she has sentry entry x2

[plush tangle]

Man Siebold hits hard

[nocturne pawn]

tbh he didnt hit that hard for pre sync parameters standards

[latent eagle]

I can't beat malva tried roxanne/blue/bertha didn't work tried off typing didn't work

[nocturne pawn]

THE BIG THING IS THAT HE HAS 45K HP AND HEALTHY ADVANTAGE 4

LIKE

WHY

[nocturne pawn]

use bertha to tank

roxanne isnt that good at taking hits

it could be a parameter issue too

[latent eagle]

Pre sync para

[nocturne pawn]

then just use bertha to tank

like your tactics are in order right

[rigid flint]

The poison is great

[nocturne pawn]

cuz there shouldnt be any issue with cblue

[nocturne pawn]

because it saves you from toxic

[rigid flint]

With poison I can't get AOE badly poisoned

Yeah

[latent eagle]

Am I suppose to use wide guard somewhere cause I'm still dying

[rigid flint]

Wide Guard's useful after mid is KO'd

Since the sides will mostly use AOE moves

[latent eagle]

Still dying

Idk what to do

[rigid flint]

Hm

What's ur team

And which stage is this?

[latent eagle]

Malva, blue/Roxanne/bertha

[rigid flint]

Hmm

Is this Aerodactyl Blue?

[latent eagle]

Yup

[rigid flint]

Roxanne's tanking right?

[latent eagle]

Bertha, someone told me to use bertha

[proud axle]

Bertha can tank well, yeah.
What are the parameters you were using?

[rigid flint]

I feel like Roxanne would work better but doesn't make that big of a difference

[latent eagle]

Pre sync

[rigid flint]

Which round btw

[latent eagle]

4

[proud axle]

This one?

[latent eagle]

Yup

[rigid flint]

Lemme give it a shot hold on

Might be a bit tough considering my Blue's only 1/5

[proud axle]

Do you happen to have Skyla EXed and available?

[latent eagle]

Mine is 4* and dies too quick

[rigid flint]

Right

[latent eagle]

Same tho

[latent eagle]

Ye

[proud axle]

Maybe replace Roxanne with her, and give her the first sync

R4 with an EX Support will make Hyper Beam hilariously strong

[rotund lagoon]

Roxanne EX when

[latent eagle]

That's probably it lmao

[proud axle]

Roxanne EX unlock when, DeNA

[latent eagle]

Give a reason to bring my 4* to 6*

[proud axle]

Well, give it a try and we'll see how it goes

[latent eagle]

Blue dies at sync

[zealous karma]

How is Malva getting to sync?

Do you know how to quad queue?

[latent eagle]

Yes

[onyx ice]

Finally managed to on type malva, Roark top tier striker even gridless

[zealous karma]

Bro one shotted through sentry entry

How much recoil did he take

[onyx ice]

A lot

[bright furnace]

"my job here is done" faints

[onyx ice]

Good thing that diantha can take care of the sides

However talonflame flare blitz one shots everyone in sun

Holiday Jasmine round 2 with +1 def gets one shot

[latent eagle]

Managed to sync with blue b4 malva aaaaaaaand it did absolutely nothing

[onyx ice]

Blue sync is physical

Only the almighty Roark can one shot Malva with physical damage

[latent eagle]

Yeah well my team is blue/skyla/bertha so

[onyx ice]

Sync with support ex and spam hyper beam

[latent eagle]

What do you think I've been doing?

[onyx ice]

Don't have blue so i don't know how she tanks his hyper beams

[trail smelt]

Huh

Not sure why you’re failing

Which round is this?

[mellow linden]

Tbh if you’re having this much trouble you might just have to do Poison stall

[trail smelt]

Try fighting Malva third round to further reduce her flare blitz damage

[latent eagle]

Round 4

[onyx ice]

Malva hits like 10 trucks

[trail smelt]

Oh ok

[latent eagle]

I need my poisons for diantha

[trail smelt]

That’s boosted sync buff? Then you just need to presync…

[mellow linden]

Oh, Round 4? Yeah, not Poison stalling that

[latent eagle]

I am

[trail smelt]

No no I was talking to myself haha

Wondering how else to boost Clue

When is the fastest that Clue maxes out Crit and special attack?

2nd turn, 3rd turn?

[onyx ice]

I guess that those stages became a bit hard to presync without terrain/zone/weather

[latent eagle]

I'm using bertha

[onyx ice]

I mean real weather

[void wyvern]

I just tested Cblue Skyla, Bertha. You can pre sync it

[onyx ice]

The ones that boost by 50% the damage

[trail smelt]

Do you remember the turn order used and if the parameter is any different from the pinned presync?

[void wyvern]

3rd turn on a Bertha team.

TM, TM, dire hit all.

[latent eagle]

how

[void wyvern]

First things first, does Blue have a lucky skill?

[latent eagle]

Ye crit striker 2

[void wyvern]

That’s good

What is yourBertha’s move level?

[latent eagle]

2/5

[void wyvern]

Same as mine. Doesn’t change anything.

Let me just confirm my setup is right.

[void wyvern]

Skyla Tm / Blue Tm / Bertha stealth rocks

Skyla Tm / Blue Tm / Bertha Sand tomb

Skyla Tm / Blue dire hit all / Bertha TM

After that. Mash Hyper beam and if you’re on R4 you should be golden.

I tested this on R1 with a non ex’d Blue so something would have to be drastically different here.

[latent eagle]

Okay diatha time

[trail smelt]

Oh hey you made it past

[latent eagle]

Thanks to @void wyvern

[void wyvern]

Do you have a plan for Diantha?

[latent eagle]

Roxie/lucy/Hilbert as fair as a team goes but um thats it

[void wyvern]

Well. Give it a try and see what happens. We’ll revise as need be.

Make sure to check your grids.

[latent eagle]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN SHE CANT BE POISONED???? did I miss something?

[trail smelt]

Also watch out for Diantha casting Fairy Wish just before sync

She can

[void wyvern]

You forgot to turn params off

[trail smelt]

Check your parameter lol

[latent eagle]

Oops

[trail smelt]

Honest mistake haha

I sometimes forget to turn off stat reduction immunity too

[void wyvern]

I cannot count the number of times I’ve done that and screamed at the game.

[latent eagle]

What should I do instead of no stat conditions?

[void wyvern]

Just take attack up by 10%

[trail smelt]

I usually just add strength 1 or the lowest attack up

[mellow linden]

Some tips for the team:

1. I used the Round 4 parameter and pre-Sync point parameters with the lowest Attack/Sp. Atk. up parameter instead of No Status Conditions.

2. Use Lucy’s Sync on the right side, Roxie should be able to KO Diantha before she Syncs.

3. You may need to reset because of the opponent spamming their strongest moves. I didn’t, but it does depend.

[onyx ice]

Does diantha have healthy advantage?

[void wyvern]

No.

[mellow linden]

If Roxie can’t KO Diantha before she Syncs then use Lucy’s Sync on her

And of course, Hilbert takes 1st Sync because EX

[latent eagle]

Yeah I'm getting sweeped 4* roxie and lucy

[void wyvern]

Let me get there and try some tests

[toxic cobalt]

Diantha tough. If you can post-sync it’s not a bad time to try. Sycamore helps

[zealous karma]

Wow Malva sucks even with HoliLeon

Epic

[toxic cobalt]

Very few defence buffs?

[swift swan]

I would understand if sun is up but damn

Is this 3k or something

[latent eagle]

Still can't beat diantha

[keen silo]

Head smashing 🔥 . Nice job!

Actually idk if that was head smash or sync 💀

[void wyvern]

did you mean drasna?

[grand trout]

Oh wait

I just realize drasna uses toxic tactics 2 weeks in a row

[nocturne pawn]

yeah

but psychic weak means you can blast her with Giovanni

so its not that bad

[grand trout]

Would lear be ok for drasna next week

[nocturne pawn]

she’ll be super dead

[grand trout]

Yay

Also malva has acute senses next week lol

[trail smelt]

Sync acceleration is very groovy for her haha

[grand trout]

Aka, neutralized by gradual healing

[nocturne pawn]

well gradual healing is a thing

[trail smelt]

Yep lol

[grand trout]

Yeah

[trail smelt]

If you don’t wanna do that Sidney can just confuse the lot of them

[void wyvern]

I tested the team of Hilbert, Roxie, Lucy. It’s definitely possible to pre sync even without Hilbert syncing.

[grand trout]

Ugh, fighting next week

I really don't want to do this again

Wikstrom was surprisingly strong last week

[nocturne pawn]

only because of steel zone

stage was literally meant for ssac

[grand trout]

I have to jump through hoops to sync faster than i could

[nocturne pawn]

much like how electric weak siebold is for sst red

[mellow linden]

Electric weak Siebold is for Sonia and sorta SST Red as well

[grand trout]

Hopefully grass siebold won't be too much of an issue

If he does, im bringing out my ex ss lyra

[mellow linden]

Grass weak Siebold is gonna be something

[nocturne pawn]

i mean honestly its more about getting status

slo mo is workable

[mellow linden]

Accuracy debuff shenanigans

[nocturne pawn]

but all it really does is stop inertia nukes

which is annoying considering elesa and hau are inertia

[mellow linden]

Doesn’t change the fact that Sonia at worst soft-counters all of Electric weak Siebold’s gimmicks

[grand trout]

Does sonia have HE at higher levels

[void wyvern]

He shouldn’t be if you have ex Lyra

[grand trout]

I only have her at 1/5

[void wyvern]

2/5

[nocturne pawn]

he1 is 2/5 30% proc is unfun

[latent eagle]

I switched sycamore not sure if that's a good idea or not

[mellow linden]

Can run under the increased secondary effect chance round if you need to use Sonia

[mellow linden]

For a Roxie + Lucy team that is in fact a terrible swap to make. Sycamore only gives +1 crit maximum and gives no Attack buffs

[nocturne pawn]

oh this week does have the increases chance

then that just makes sonia guaranteed

im so dumb lmao

why did i do siebold r4 goddamnit

[mellow linden]

Well, Sycamore gives some Attack buffs, but they’re slow and unreliable

[void wyvern]

Cobalt is right. It’s not a good choice for Roxie + Lucy.

[nocturne pawn]

if you have hilbert 3/5

hes great

helps set up inertia maxes attack and crit

alternatively off type

cuz thats what i do whenever poison weak shows up

[mellow linden]

In a Roxie + Lucy comp you’re usually Syncing with Lucy after EX Support, but Hilbert still helps with Ramming Speed

[nocturne pawn]

diantha isnt particularly threatening on 2k params

though next week is gonna be a doozy

[void wyvern]

why don’t you share what goes wrong and we can work out a plan starting there.

[nocturne pawn]

100% accurate head smashes with recoil removal

[grand trout]

Does secondary effect chance activate on the passive that activates Flinch?

[mellow linden]

Passives are not affected by the parameter

[nocturne pawn]

no the secondary effect has to be on the move not done by a passive

[mellow linden]

Only a move’s innate secondary effect

[grand trout]

Oh, that's a shame

[mellow linden]

So Spark will go to 60% chance from 30% chance, but SS Leaf’s Venomous 4 will still be a 50% chance to Poison

[swift swan]

I just noticed, drasna's catalytic infliction activates on Toxic, giving her MGA. She queues up her sync directly after this so no quadqueue window for another move. Rip

[mellow linden]

Interesting

Funnily enough I never encountered Toxic thanks to a combination of Holiday Nessa flinch-locking and Candice’s Sync nuke

Hail Overload team too stronk

[nocturne pawn]

so drasna is anti quad queue?

yeesh they’re getting better with this

[mellow linden]

Specifically for your 2nd Sync

She doesn’t use Toxic until right before her Sync

[nocturne pawn]

mean

also cobalt

look at the bottom

[mellow linden]

Always nice to see Elesa clears

[nocturne pawn]

uh

more like

i didnt have any other options

[void wyvern]

Where’s lodge Elesa clear SMH

[nocturne pawn]

cuz my off types werent working

[mellow linden]

I ran Triple Elesa (Lodge + SS + Classic) this week, but I’ll be going back to Siebold with the old-but-gold team of Sonia/Elesa/Volkner on the 25th

[nocturne pawn]

mfw sonia 3/5 is a real gatekeep

[mellow linden]

3/5 Hilbert will still work well, especially since Elesa’s getting Fleet Feet 2 on her Trainer Move come Masters Day

Heck, even 2/5 and below Hilbert because Elesa’s also getting Critical Eye 1

[nocturne pawn]

wow she got a glowup too

now if only it wasnt FAST TRACK 2

[mellow linden]

Her extra grid tiles are amazing

[nocturne pawn]

also did they just recycle her tm line for ss

[mellow linden]

Standfast 9, Critical Eye, Brawn Sync, Fleet Feet on Trainer Move

[nocturne pawn]

im pretty sure its like the exact same

[zealous karma]

It is

[zealous karma]

Same difference

[mellow linden]

I’d need to check that at some point

[nocturne pawn]

hold on ill just do it myself

ok its the same line

slightly different pitches

[mellow linden]

Ah, I’d have been no help to you then since I use English voices

[nocturne pawn]

could be different in en though

[zealous karma]

Pretty certain they are

[nocturne pawn]

does elesa have a new york accent

forgot what nimbasa city is based off of specifically

[latent eagle]

Yeah still can't do diantha switched back to Hilbert, I'm basically getting sweeped

[mellow linden]

I don’t think she has a NY accent, no

[mellow linden]

Could switch to Poison stall, then

[zealous karma]

Wrong one!

Im pretty sure in Jp her TM for the classic alt is also the same like voice line

[nocturne pawn]

whys it different in en then

ig localization is funky?

[zealous karma]

Perhaps the word play doesn’t work in Japanese as it does in English

[latent eagle]

Don't think id survive Hilbert is getting HIT man

[mellow linden]

Parameter swap to no offensive parameters + defensive buffs on you + offensive debuffs on the opponents makes quite the difference

[zealous karma]

I assume they’ve tried koga and it didn’t work

[latent eagle]

I haven't used koga but I really doubt he's much better at 4* and probably lvl 130

[mellow linden]

Koga has a kinda nutty Sync nuke and Mind Game 9 on Venoshock

[zealous karma]

Koga is already a 4*

[latent eagle]

Yes thats what I mean he's at 4* hes not 5*

[nocturne pawn]

i dont think the stats should make that much of a difference

[mellow linden]

If you wanna keep trying for an offense clear then Koga + Sycamore + Allister could work

[zealous karma]

This is his sync after a support ex buff

[mellow linden]

But I have no experience with the team, so YMMV

[zealous karma]

4* lvl 120

CS2

-2 SpDef down against trained mind 5

[latent eagle]

Stats literally make all the difference in this

[zealous karma]

For koga not truly

With my parameters diantha has 43k Hp but I run “less than optimal” parameters so it should be lower and a flinch unit with aggravation such as, Acerola or bp morty have a 100% flinch chance if you take the “moves with additional effects are more likely to take effect”

Now to figure out how I can beat 3K diantha as she has 100K HP

[nocturne pawn]

use lucian

[zealous karma]

I have PDawn

[nocturne pawn]

but ripple effect 4

[zealous karma]

High enough

[proud axle]

https://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/1b/Unova_Nimbasa_City_Map.png

That's downtown manhattan

[rotund lagoon]

Nimbasa the red? Cause I know Castelia is the bottom.

[tired sleet]

Here’s a Koga team example ig? He’s 20/20 but I didn’t use the Stronger Sync buff param (and even without it he was kinda overkill). If you take that parameter, it should be easily manageable

[swift swan]

Based koga clear

[rotund lagoon]

KOGA CLEAR

[proud axle]

It's supposed to be blinking but I guess Discord doesn't know that pngs can be animated

[nocturne pawn]

is this the b2w2 map

i dont think ive seen stuff in the bottom left

[proud axle]

I think so

The wiki page I got it from, has a few older versions without the bottom-left stuff

[nocturne pawn]

rip entralink

it looks like so much fun but i cant use it because i have to play on emu

[latent eagle]

What's a grid for koga for koga/lucy/hilbert

[mellow linden]

Should be some options in the pinned document in #1009587872342478908

[latent eagle]

I can't reach 2nd sync b4 diantha....

[toxic cobalt]

Not able to quadqueue or is there another issue?

[latent eagle]

I'm actually not sure? I think I'm quadqueueing to the best of my ability but it might be something else

[zealous karma]

Yes

[swift swan]

It'd be ideal if you could record your battle so we can see what happened

[tired sleet]

What exactly is koga doing on a lucy/hilbert team

[trail smelt]

Nuking I guess?

[rotund lagoon]

Then Koga should be the one focused on, dude hardly gets any the buffs he needs

[toxic cobalt]

Also Diantha is tough! Koga memes aren't enough for this week.

I mean, enough, but not easily so

[latent eagle]

Then what buffs does he need cause all y'all have been saying is koga is great but don't tell me what I need for him to work

[proud axle]

He needs the same thing any special attacker needs

SpAtk, Crit, a little gauge

[rotund lagoon]

He needs Sp Atk, Crit, and Evasiveness (but Eva he can do himself)

[proud axle]

He also needs +6 evasion for his sync nuke multiplier

[rotund lagoon]

Plus we can’t hold your hand……

His kit should show he does Special Attacks.

[proud axle]

You can get the eva from his TM, just grid for MPR and get one proc

BP Janine """coincidentally""" works very well with him. If she grids for Sharp Entry 1, that and her TM max out his crit and eva, plus give him a nice juice +4SpA to work with

[rotund lagoon]

Like father, like daughter

[tired sleet]

I’ve said this a billion times before but OGJanine and Sycamore works

[latent eagle]

How is telling me what I need to know holding my hand, my guy I just want to clear MM and I don't know how to use koga

[proud axle]

So you won't have to grid for his TM MPR if you have her on the team, and could put that energy towards something else. Maybe Mind Games 9

[latent eagle]

Og or lodge bc og ain't doing it

[proud axle]

I used OGJanine + SSLeaf + OGLisia vs Diantha

[rotund lagoon]

Gonna put that on my list of teams to test, I’ve never actually used OG Janine.

[proud axle]

Lodge Sycamore? He does have damage multipliers against Poisoned enemies, huh...

[rotund lagoon]

Why would you use him tho?

Roxie exists.

[tired sleet]

There is no Lodge janine, I was referring to ariados

[proud axle]

I don't know. Wacky big brain strats I never considered?

[tired sleet]

Ariados has 100% poison, Crobat doesn’t

[rotund lagoon]

Writes this on the test teams list

[proud axle]

Anyway, Ariados Janine can 100% poison (but not Toxic), can Venom Drench, and can tank pretty well with her grid
Crobat Janine is a more conventional support, with I think 50% Toxic

Put both Janines on a team with Koga. It's even thematically appropriate to her gym's gimmick.

[tired sleet]

The team that i was referring to already had a tank so janine doesn’t need to

[latent eagle]

Okay okay so I'll be using koga, what do I need to make him work and should my team of lucy/koga/Hilbert change

[rotund lagoon]

We said Koga needs Special Attack buffs and Crit.

He also needs evasion for his nuke multiplier.

[proud axle]

We told you already

That's all there is to it

He's not as complex as he might seem

Y'know how Barry basically solely exists for his sync nuke? Koga is like that. You build him for it

The difference being that Venoshock is an actually good move and Bubblebeam is still kinda trash

[latent eagle]

Okay so what would be a good sp atk user?

[rotund lagoon]

Filter by Sp Atkers on your roster.

[proud axle]

Janine/Crobat can do it

[rotund lagoon]

See what you have.

[prime warren]

I just run koga, BP janine and psymisty

[rotund lagoon]

Also yeah BP Janine is amazing synergy with him

[proud axle]

If you grid Janine/Crobat for Sharp Entry 1, then Koga doesn't even need his TM MPR grid node

[prime warren]

And it was comfortable enuff

[rotund lagoon]

Good team!

[proud axle]

Only flaw is needing a little RNG for Poison Fang triggering Toxic. But you could use the R1 round modifier to raise the chances (to 100%?)

[tired sleet]

You would need janine’s tm mpr tho (if you want max spatk)

[prime warren]

It's MP3

So it's decent chance to proc

Not the cursed MP2 like sonia

[tired sleet]

So is koga’s tm mpr, it’s essentially the same (but with eva on your tank instead)

[prime warren]

Yea but koga has venom drench

With mind games

So you wouldn't want to press it more than 2x for more debuff

[proud axle]

...Veno_shock,_ you mean?

[prime warren]

This week we have access to 100% poison so it's not that bad to fish for her MPR

Oh I forget the names

I see 2 bar mind games

And I go brrr

[nocturne pawn]

venoshock and venom drench are very different

[tired sleet]

That’s fair, I tend to use a Toxic Power build for more immediate power and better side KOing, but MG does lead to a better nuke

[nocturne pawn]

ok i confuse isnt it janine that has venom drench

[tired sleet]

Yes but Blaziken was recommending BP Janine and Koga (the Crobat, not Ariados)

[nocturne pawn]

ok now im even more confused as to how venom drench came up at all unless they just got it confused with venoshock

which is likely

[tired sleet]

That’s what happened ^

[prime warren]

I am sorry

[nocturne pawn]

its more of a me thing anyway

i get confused cuz i either read or hear stuff that wasnt actually said

whee

[prime warren]

I rarely use koga
Only used him this week for ebe and this week poison weak after like long time

[proud axle]

Laying low and striking suddenly. Classic ninja.

[void wyvern]

Koga dps is pretty nice. He’ll be bonkers once he gets his ex.

[rotund lagoon]

He needs it

[full mesa]

#boostCynthia

[prime warren]

He can't one shot mid with sync after support ex
Still needed few more hits

[toxic cobalt]

What he needs is a grid expansion to improve his self-buffing

[nocturne pawn]

^

[prime warren]

EX would defo let him one shot mid

[nocturne pawn]

that goes for most story sync pairs

[prime warren]

[nocturne pawn]

their self buffing is either horrible or nonexistent

[void wyvern]

See you all next master day for ex Koga.

[nocturne pawn]

like i bet viola could have a decent rain nuke

if she had any buffs at all

[prime warren]

I actually like his self buff spread

[nocturne pawn]

instead of like

a shitty spdef buff

[prime warren]

Since BP Janine exists now

[nocturne pawn]

but dont you still need crit from somewhere else

[prime warren]

And I don't have firis so I just slot 2nd support

[void wyvern]

Bp janine solves a lot of his problems

[prime warren]

BP Janine has sharp entry

For team

[void wyvern]

Nope. Not if you run sharp entry 1

[nocturne pawn]

janine only got tse1 unless he does get crit on grid

[void wyvern]

He has it on his tm

2 evade 1 crit

[prime warren]

His TM is +1 crit, +2 Eva iirc

And Janine TM is +2 spl atk, +1 Eva, +1 spd

[void wyvern]

I wouldn’t mind him getting slippery 1 on tm so you could run a bulkier support alongside him and F!Iris.

[lunar meadow]

Woo themed teams!
(Not 2k clear... Onix team is pointless to try without crit buffs, and I've already done the Raichu and zard before)

[proud axle]

...Wow. That's actually kinda cool.

[nocturne pawn]

bp janine bulk is uh yeah its kinda 💀

[latent eagle]

FREAKING FINALLY

[prime warren]

Triple zard and triple bats

[toxic cobalt]

#1010274591601598555 please but will leave as koga example

[prime warren]

That's why you run 2nd support
Unless firis is in your box

[void wyvern]

BP janine has some goofy dps if you really like pain.

[prime warren]

I run psymisty just for 2nd support and she gives potion and def buffs

Oh yea
Her grid has ramming speed

[void wyvern]

Ramming speed, venoshock is decent terrible damage.

[lunar meadow]

I've done 2k on zard and Raichu (and Gengar, and Umbreon/Eevee)

The triple Onix/Steelix feels impossible.

Triple Crobat is probably an easy one if I tried at 2k

[prime warren]

DPS support crobat moment

[void wyvern]

Challenge accepted

F2P or max damage support crobat dps?

[prime warren]

I doubt F2P would work at all

Her dmg only shows after like 3 syncs

But that means tanking a sync

[void wyvern]

After a bunch of us tested F2P solutions for fairy weak drasna.

I don’t know what to believe in F2P possible

[prime warren]

Fairy weak drasna is just Mina

[void wyvern]

Might I ping you when I have some footage for dps bp Janine?

[prime warren]

Sure

[void wyvern]

Alright. Thank you.

[prime warren]

[toxic cobalt]

Ping me too

[void wyvern]

Yes boss!

[prime warren]

Good luck on that

[void wyvern]

Hehe, pain is my favourite!

[rotund lagoon]

I'm excited!

[toxic cobalt]

Can't wait to see +4sync buff bp janine managing 4k

[void wyvern]

I’m really regretting melting down all my purple cookies for Marshal and he still failed!

[prime warren]

Well fighting has Bruno anyways

And korrina

And solgaleo

Meanwhile F2P poison outside koga is

[void wyvern]

Roxie and Lucy aren’t that bad

[toxic cobalt]

Lucy and Roxie are good now! supposedly

[rotund lagoon]

Was gonna say those two as well

[void wyvern]

I was able to pre sync diantha without needing a support Ex or quad queue for Roxie Lucy

[prime warren]

Lucy was pain to run in ebe so I ain't gonna bother with her

Roxie idk but poison jab dps

[zealous karma]

Roxie DPS is carried by high atk and ramming spd

lucy is carried by a good sync

I used them for will 3K

[void wyvern]

Bp Janine with only 205 sp attack at 5*!

[rotund lagoon]

GEEZ

[tired sleet]

Higher than Allister’s Attack for Drain Punch

[swift swan]

[devout sluice]

Prepared my team for next week.

[nocturne pawn]

im gonna off type diantha again

[void wyvern]

I got footage of f2P BP janine but then I cleared the stage now I have to do it all agaaaaaaaaaaain.

[proud axle]

Do you have an answer to Grass Siebold's Acc Downs?

[nocturne pawn]

1/5 bertha is not much

and i heard diantha is anti naomi

[nocturne pawn]

the answer is tenderizing him before it gets to be a problem

[swift swan]

[devout sluice]

Oh I didn’t see.

[nocturne pawn]

like

[devout sluice]

Time to adjust grass.

[proud axle]

Yeah, his whole team has Muddy Water and On A Roll

[nocturne pawn]

ss erika and brendan should easily destroy him

[proud axle]

It's kind of worrying

[nocturne pawn]

right

a

[rotund lagoon]

🇦

[nocturne pawn]

i hate leaf storm being 90 acc but thats what you get ig

[tired sleet]

Syncs can’t miss after all

[devout sluice]

There we go, swapped with regular Lillie.

Best could think of.

[proud axle]

I'm still trying to decide how I'll handle that

[devout sluice]

Seed flare should hopefully deal the stage.

[proud axle]

I could use Maxie. His TM adds Acc for his Solar Beam. But that means not using Maxie for Ground

[rotund lagoon]

Why not SS Erika?

[proud axle]

Solar Miss

[swift swan]

I have ss lyra to flinch everything away

[proud axle]

Perhaps that could work...

[swift swan]

if she can solo latias and all her evasion hacks, she can handle slightly muddy waters no problem

[rotund lagoon]

Same

[devout sluice]

Same as Seed Flare but it depends on luck for me.

[nocturne pawn]

my ss erika is only 2/5

missing inertia is kind of a big deal

[proud axle]

The enemy's offense is pure Special, so regular Lyra can tank this like a champ and work with the sun to boot

[rotund lagoon]

Mine's at 2/5 too, but shes still good

[nocturne pawn]

guess ill just find someone to buff speed for both of them

since brendan also has inertia i think

wait

masked royal stonks

[void wyvern]

Imagine not using gardenia.

[nocturne pawn]

5head strats

[nocturne pawn]

ew a 4*

[frosty axle]

one more week and goodbye to Kalos

[nocturne pawn]

but like real talk though

gardenia is literally just a lesser brendan

[devout sluice]

Dark should be easy, same as psychic and fighting. Ground depends on luck.

[nocturne pawn]

so i dont have any reason to use her

[frosty axle]

see if I can keep my F2P Streak going

[proud axle]

Oh damn, I think you're onto something

If they nerf her Acc, she converts it to a buff

[rotund lagoon]

HELL YEAH!!!

[swift swan]

NOOOOO......

[proud axle]

I like this idea!

[rotund lagoon]

TRYING THIS

[nocturne pawn]

did they announce which region is next

[proud axle]

Maxie, Lyra, Gardenia then!

[nocturne pawn]

i meed to finish hoenn and sinnoh medals

[proud axle]

We had Johto last month, right? What comes after Johto

[void wyvern]

Alola

[devout sluice]

Hoenn

[proud axle]

...

[nocturne pawn]

oh great

[frosty axle]

nope, but probably will be an old region like Alola

[nocturne pawn]

well alola is fine ig

[void wyvern]

It’s a bit underwhelming but nothing wrong with simple stuff.

[swift swan]

Hoenn was still very recent, I don't think they'll repeat it

[tired sleet]

There’s not really a set order/rotation of stuff

[swift swan]

especially since Hoenn already butted in after Sinnoh a few months back

[void wyvern]

Galar cs next reset!

[swift swan]

Hoenn, stop taking other region's turns

[frosty axle]

Won't be Kanto, Johto, Sinnoh or Hoenn they have been recently

[swift swan]

Alola, yeah

[proud axle]

Hm, going over the past Champion Stadium Leagues in Pomatools, you're right. Maybe the order is being shaken up now

[swift swan]

it's been a while

[nocturne pawn]

so it literally has to be alola or unova

i can finally exact revenge on ground weak shauntal

[tired sleet]

You say that like there ever was an order

[nocturne pawn]

she is the pinnacle of post sync and die

[frosty axle]

More chance of Alola than Unova as it was more recent

[nocturne pawn]

and yes you are supposed to use a sand setter to overwrite the sun

will i use acerola in cs ever

no

goddamn she sucks

[rotund lagoon]

I don't think we'll know the next region till next month's datamine

[frosty axle]

Acerola needs a grid update

[nocturne pawn]

acerola needs a rework

her stats are so garbage because she can apparently set weather

[swift swan]

even then, no way in hell I'm candying acerola

her 1/5 is good enough as a sand setter and flincher

[nocturne pawn]

like nothing else in her kit would indicate why her stats are so bad

[frosty axle]

I will never candy her, but got 2/5 ace

[swift swan]

I still use Acerola a lot

sometimes, nothing wrong with just slotting in a weather setter and that's it

her being able to flinch is a bonus

[proud axle]

Pseudo-support capability with Flagbearer

[nocturne pawn]

the issue with her is that she cant take a hit for shit

not to mention her tm redirects attacks to her

[frosty axle]

and crit buff she gives

[nocturne pawn]

which might as well be suicide

[frosty axle]

I rarely use her tm

[proud axle]

It... it only sank in just now.
This is every league in the Pokémon series until we get Paldea content.

[nocturne pawn]

i think you should just avoid it

[proud axle]

(Because Galar has no Elite Four)

[nocturne pawn]

people cope for galar cs but im like thats never gonna happen

[frosty axle]

Galar does have a tournament

[nocturne pawn]

its not the same thing though

[swift swan]

yeah, I almost never use it

just click astonish

[frosty axle]

with Raihan as champion

[nocturne pawn]

huh

why wouldnt it be leon

[main crow]

Doing a Galar CS would just mean an excuse for DeNA to release gym leader outfits for Marnie and Bede lol

[swift swan]

they'll figure something out, it's galar ffs

one of dena's favorite region

[nocturne pawn]

yeah basically this

[proud axle]

He gets to be the champion just long enough for us to kick him off the throne

[swift swan]

i'd whale for gym outfit bede

[void wyvern]

We do have an unofficial elite four in bede Nessa Bea/Alister Raihan

[swift swan]

cotton candy boy

[frosty axle]

did we fight Leon I can't remember sword and shield much?

[swift swan]

yes of course...

[void wyvern]

Leon just gives up seeing our max candied monstrosities

[nocturne pawn]

raihan would have to be in the tournament

like

[proud axle]

I'm told that... y'know how your rival gets the starter with type advantage over yours? Leon's the one who takes it

[nocturne pawn]

its nessa marnie bede raihan and leon

[frosty axle]

he must have been a joke as I don't remember Leon over Raihan

[swift swan]

indeed he did take the other starter

[proud axle]

Because Leon got lost on the way there

[nocturne pawn]

that also happened in alola

prof takes the super effective starter hau gets the weak one

[proud axle]

Ah, interesting!

So when he's the final battle, it's upholding the Pokémon tradition!

[swift swan]

upholding the gen 1 tradition, more like

gen 7 is a lot of gen 1 pandering anyway

[proud axle]

If PMEX's Selene has Decidueye and Masked Royal has the one supereffective against it... Maybe Selene is the "more-canon" protag of the two 🤔

[nocturne pawn]

meanwhile the entirety of mallie city:

[proud axle]

So if Gen7 and Gen8 do it, does Gen9 do it? I don't know very much about Gen9

[nocturne pawn]

no the gym in usum does not count as gen 1 pandering

[paper summit]

might be too soon to tell what they'll consider more canon

[swift swan]

||Clavell|| takes the third starter

though I forgot who took the one weaker to your starter

[paper summit]

Nemona does

[swift swan]

Nemona really is holding back throughout the story huh

[paper summit]

granted it's a bit different given the second typing they have

[tired sleet]

She’s pretty much like
“I’ll go easy on this noob and take the weaker starter”

[paper summit]

like, if you go with Fuecoco, Sprigatito ends up being strong against you despite the fire weakness

[nocturne pawn]

i like the idea of nemona

[tired sleet]

By the time they evolve i’d imagine nemona no longer considers you a noob at that point

[nocturne pawn]

a rival whos already so stupidly strong they self nerf themselves

[tired sleet]

So it’s like, double smart

[nocturne pawn]

i mean isnt the best dark stab meowscarada get like night slash

which isnt that powerful

[swift swan]

nemona is just someone who starts a new save file

[nocturne pawn]

ok

so

for dark stav

[tired sleet]

Stav?

[nocturne pawn]

meowscarada gets night slash knock off and sucker punch

[nocturne pawn]

stab

v is next to b and i hate everything

[devout sluice]

How they gonna do Galar?

[tired sleet]

I feel like this convo is shifting into a #pokemon-general convo

[nocturne pawn]

it already did

[tired sleet]

I’d love if they used all tourney eligible gym leaders, but that’s mega copium

[paper summit]

inb4 a mod

[swift swan]

hi mod

[paper summit]

I'm outa here

[zealous karma]

I think discussing future CS possibilities is allowedc

[swift swan]

Paldea CS is easy, following the traditional formula

galar though

I'd love Galar CS and have the opponents use dmax

second nuke lfg

[paper summit]

Galar is a bit complicated but Alola already has 7 members

one more than usual

well, 2 if you exclude Hoenn and Unova

[tired sleet]

Just including regular tourney eligible leaders, theres
Milo, Nessa, Kabu, Bea, Allister, Bede, Gordie, Melony, Piers, Marnie, and Raihan

And hop also exists

[swift swan]

I think, to make things simple, it'll just be the four characters you fight in the championship before leon

[paper summit]

Marnie and Hop are more like other competitors you need to face, I don't think they are elegible as "Elite 4" equivalents

[nocturne pawn]

well you got three weaknesses covered already with dark’s own

then poison for grimmsnarl

[paper summit]

they'll likely go with 4 of the gym leaders

[tired sleet]

Marnie ends up replacing Piers, and if they want to give them their Cup themes then they have to do it somewhere

[paper summit]

hmm, guess in that case Marnie does have a chance, Hop definitely not

Bede is in a grey area with the Opal thing lol

[swift swan]

hop can't have shit

[paper summit]

and he showed up uninvited to the league lol

[tired sleet]

Opal never appears in the normal tourney at all

[paper summit]

she doesn't, but Bede does crash the party

by that time he is already in the line of becoming the new fairy gym leader

granted they seem to not acknowledge that in PoMa at all so far

[paper summit]

he doesn't deserve it, sorry excuse of a character

[proud axle]

I mean Hop did get to kick Bede's ass in Bede's debut event. That did happen.

[keen jasper]

Same for the Kalos rivals?

[tired sleet]

I’m literally trevor’s only fan

[tired sleet]

I just think it’s weird that people call Shauna/Tierno your rivals… Rivals need to share some common goal, no?

[nocturne pawn]

its more like a friend group

than anything

[old orchid]

yeah only Serena/Calem and Shauna are your rivals

[tired sleet]

Trevor is your Pokédex rival too

I don’t see what shauna does to be a rival tho

[old orchid]

but i dont want to fill the pokedex

[old orchid]

did she challenge gyms?

[tired sleet]

Nope

She’s pretty much just there to make memories with frens

[nocturne pawn]

she wants to make memories with friends

but also shows up when we fight lysandre

so that makes her more relevant than tierno and trevor by default

[tired sleet]

Trevs and Tierno did something to help while flare was rampaging iirc

[zealous karma]

Im pretty sure they are just a friend group and less rivals

Like omega Mart said

[old orchid]

they didnt show up = they didnt do anything
-pokemon fan, probably-

well only Nemona in the Paldea squad is the rival imo

[paper summit]

yes, she is, Arven only to an extent but mostly he is just a friend you are helping

[tired sleet]

Also can we just talk about how trevor has a random tragic backstory about how his parents abandoned him and his older sister

[old orchid]

wait, he has a tragic backstory???

[paper summit]

I legit don't remember that at all, goes to show how memorable those 3 are

[tired sleet]

I’m exaggerating slightly but his parents left them to travel the world

[nocturne pawn]

thats kinda shitty tho

[tired sleet]

I don’t even think he himself brings it up, you have to hear it from someone else (maybe his sister who lives in lumiose?

It’d be funny if bulbapedia is straight up lying to me

[old orchid]

i think you have to visit her sister

[tired sleet]

Yea that makes sense

Just like how this is related to CS cough cough

Anyway, so about Grass weak Siebold who debuffs acc; he’s vulnerable to SpAtk, SpDef, and Eva debuffs so you’re probably supposed to use SC Rosa

Psychic weak Drasna debuffs Speed a lot, so maybe that’s for SS Steven?

[keen jasper]

She has Slomo?

[paper summit]

yes

[tired sleet]

And trip wire

[paper summit]

she has Go Viral 9 Toxic as well, but it's post sync, so kinda whatever

[old orchid]

is there any Psychic type that can cure status? I only know SS Dawn

[tired sleet]

NY Sabrina has status shield or smth

Condition Shield, actually

[old orchid]

oh yeah

[tired sleet]

It’s actually to make you tank with Antitoxin Caitlin

[paper summit]

well, Drasna herself has very little chance to poison you other than using Toxic

and the sides do not have Go Viral, they do have Hostile Environment 1 tho, so at least your tank will likely get poisoned

[tired sleet]

Wait, it’s actually to make you use Mutually Assured Bianca/Will

[paper summit]

interesting, Drasna has Lessen Flinch 5

[tired sleet]

I’ll wait until the stage tips come out… ||Tate? Will? Tech Alakazam?||

[paper summit]

you joke, but Will has Stored Power, that can carry him

[tired sleet]

I mean i’m sure tate can beat drasna too, no unit is a joke

[paper summit]

tbh next week isn't too bad, Diantha might be the one pulling some hairs out lol

[old orchid]

Head Smash

[paper summit]

oh right, forgot Wikstrom has the steel zone shenanigans

[tired sleet]

Wonder what i should do next week to counter it

Maybe Darach for slo mo for wally’s nuke?

[keen jasper]

Psychic-weak Drasna with Slomo, most likely it's made for Lucian

[tired sleet]

There’s that too

[keen jasper]

Do we have someone who can deal over 100k damage off-type on their AoE sync?

Or is it still not possible?

[prime warren]

Anyone can do it

After stacking 10 sync buffs

Well maybe except a few

[keen jasper]

I mean like with only 1 EX support sync

[prime warren]

Offtype I haven't seen any
Maybe cerena

But I never saw 100k on her and only land one rebuff

It's like 60k offtype I think with her

Also the case of mid actually dying due to just water shuriken often

I am damn sure keldeo doesn't even hit 60k 2nd sync

[zealous karma]

Prolly Zerena or SSSteven

[prime warren]

We talking abt offtype

[zealous karma]

Ou off type

[prime warren]

He's also asking aoe

[zealous karma]

On an aoe sync prolly not possible

[prime warren]

When ST itself is not possible

Atleast for now

[zealous karma]

SSt doesn’t even have the strongest nuke in the game it’s scdiantha

Not counting rebuff