Champion Stadium

[umbral plaza]

Wait I have SS Diantha
Thanks for the idea!

[old orchid]

if you use Darach, you get free 150 points (crit shield)
if you you Lisia, she can flinch

you should use her earlier

@grave wyvern sorry for ping, but can you pin this?

[prime warren]

Real pain

I still can't make SCemmet work

[old orchid]

dont use him

Siebold has Sentry Entry x2

[prime warren]

Smh

But I want him to work

Coz bug

[old orchid]

replace Colress with a bug dmg dealer

[old orchid]

like Lusamine

thanks Tai!

[grave wyvern]

[prime warren]

Hmmm

SCemmet suk then

[old orchid]

[umbral plaza]

[old orchid]

replace Piers, not Morty

[umbral plaza]

ok

[old orchid]

and use Darach instead of CCalem, you might need him in another team

[umbral plaza]

ok

[sand karma]

Darach also gives speed

[old orchid]

tbh Solgaleo or Wally or Bea is better than SS Diantha

[sand karma]

His feather dance can weaken the attacks (but not much)

[old orchid]

Wikstrom mainly uses special attacks, it doesnt help much

[sand karma]

He uses both

Earthquakes, iron heads and thunderbolt

[verbal karma]

Nope, Lodge Lillie can't survive with post sync params

[old orchid]

*Flash Cannon

[sand karma]

Ah

Yes

[old orchid]

switch back to Mina then

[sand karma]

But atleast some attacks will be numbed

[old orchid]

yeah

[sand karma]

He also gets a phys shield before sync so Darach/Lisia is even more valuable

[verbal karma]

Nope, she can't survive with Post-Sync params either

[old orchid]

so record your gameplay then

[verbal karma]

Again, I can't as long as I am not home

[old orchid]

when you finish the recording be sure to ping me

[verbal karma]

Wait, but I wanna beat R4 now instead of having to wait until I am back home

[manic mica]

thoughts?

[sand karma]

Wikstrom team has no speed

[manic mica]

ok screw wikstrom ill use failsafe 2 for it

[sand karma]

Use Darach instead

He defogs and gives team speed and debuffs

[sand karma]

That's not fun don't give up

[manic mica]

ok thanks for darach tip

he's only there for defog and debuff right? and speed

no need to grid?

[sand karma]

Grid for tm mpr would be nice to max speed

[old orchid]

its not necessary to grid him

but yeah tm mpr is nice

[manic mica]

ill go for the tm nodes

[sand karma]

I used this

[old orchid]

so try these teams again or figure other strats

[manic mica]

npted

[sand karma]

You can only use the top left nodes
And feather dance mpr if you still have gauge issues

[trail smelt]

It’s funny how hard Drasna hits after zone haha

Dealt more damage than Sycamore has HP damn

[swift swan]

Presync drasna or death

[verbal karma]

In my case, it's "Presync Drasna, then death"

Same deal with Postsync, too

[swift swan]

I'll have dinner and test some drasna teams without cheesing her with flinch then

Speaking of, have you tried flinching drasna on r4?

You don't have to permanently flinchlock her, but getting lucky and flinching dragon rush can be very helpful

[trail smelt]

I post sync’d her but only because I was dumb and forgot to buff my Crit to max LMAO

Basically all my post sync wins is because I use pre sync parameters but I played stupidly

[umbral plaza]

is everyone sees the stats

[trail smelt]

… yes?

[umbral plaza]

oh sorry

[verbal karma]

Not yet since I was told that's very unreliable

Do I replace BP Surge with a flincher then?

[zealous karma]

For Colress

[trail smelt]

I just have MSol smash her lol

[spring fable]

im back after losing many braincells doing this

[grim bison]

First CSMM 10k run

[spring fable]

malva completed with ss kris, ss lysandre and lucian

[trail smelt]

Congrats but next time don’t post the teams here

We have a separate thread for personal victories

Next week I’m mostly worried about poison Diantha, I’ve never used Roxie before

[swift swan]

nice job! don't forget to post it in #1010274591601598555

[spring fable]

nov!!!

help me pls

[swift swan]

sycamore, mina, flincher (preferably someone who has 30% base chance, gridded with aggravation). grid mina with critical eye, fish for TM MPR so she gets max crit. charm 3 times, sync first with sycamore, nuke mid

[swift swan]

hi hi hi I'm having dinner rn but I'll see what I can do

[spring fable]

is alright no rush

enjoy your meal

[swift swan]

NY Lisia for fairy? should be pretty straightforward with a speed support

I have little to no faith in Burgh so I guess you can try offtyping that stage with the frogs. keep Cerena in water mode because the stage has sentry entry x2.

[old orchid]

Kirby has SS Hilbert

[verbal karma]

Presync or postsync?

[swift swan]

...apparently I am blind

[swift swan]

presync is more ideal imo

[sand karma]

They can do sycamore, SSHilb and Lusamine or Burgh

[spring fable]

ive been trying bug weak with latios, genesect and burgh but to no avail

gauge no go brrr

[swift swan]

really? latios and genesect wrecks the stage easily enough for me

hmmm

latios + genesect + speed buffer then

genesect is more than enough. SEUP techno blast went crazy post support EX

[grand trout]

Techno blast is special?

[sand karma]

Yes

[zealous karma]

Man jasmine is so funny

[frosty axle]

Trying to do F2P but can't even get past Wikstrom

[zealous karma]

Have. You used hop?

[spring fable]

okie!

did siebold

[swift swan]

niceee

[violet timber]

Siebold is so tanky lol

[old orchid]

no f2p zone setters smh

[spring fable]

used up skyla

[swift swan]

I ran SS Brendan, SS Hilbert, Alder. Brendan surprisingly could support 2 4-gauge users

[umbral plaza]

it seems impossible to beat wilkstrom with 2k boost

[swift swan]

mind that mine is 3/5 and I gridded him with fast track 9 lmao

[spring fable]

drasna or wikstrom for r3?

[violet timber]

OH wait he has sentry entry

[sand karma]

Who are you using?

[zealous karma]

I failed tk quad queue and I messed up my turn one but hop is able to live pass the zone

[swift swan]

R3 favors EX supports

[old orchid]

Who you struggle on more

[swift swan]

so whichever one you plan to have an EX support on

[frosty axle]

zone isn't an issue its the amount of health middle has like I have to use crazy tactics to win

[swift swan]

but also. R4 is additional effects, and Wikstrom's team has a lot of 30% flinch moves that will get raised to 60% on R4

[old orchid]

Can try Richu strat above

[frosty axle]

Lucario needs stronger attacks to do Wikstrom

[swift swan]

I wonder if Marshal can do some numbers now

[spring fable]

i can try offtyping wikstrom with frogs

[zealous karma]

Bruno + Korrina usually works for me for fighting

[swift swan]

bea should be fine

your main concern would be the zone

[spring fable]

calem to override it?

[frosty axle]

I will have to try a combo and see

[swift swan]

him, or lucas. both are gauge friendly enough I suppose

[spring fable]

or will it be too slow

hmm

i'll try it out

wik r3

[sand karma]

R4 is poison on all of them except siebold ig

[frosty axle]

problem is what tank to use with them

[swift swan]

you have EX Hilbert. pair him with Bea, support EX with him first, then Bea nuke

[spring fable]

so calem, hilbert and bea?

[sand karma]

Won't CCalem bee too late for that zone change?

[zealous karma]

I think hop should be fine for tanking this stage

And if things get dire could do a round 4 perma flincher

[swift swan]

Maybe try Lucas first. Lucas can override the zone instantly and help with DPS

just juggle his TMs

Bea should hog the 4 bar moves

good thing all 3 units have ways to buff speed

[frosty axle]

I am saving that for the bug stage which you can't use Beedrill and Pinsir

[sand karma]

Are there any free special bugs?

[spring fable]

i dont have nuke tiles on bea T^T

[zealous karma]

For bug I usually just off type with crit focus Cyrus rosa and Winona

I very rarely need perma flinch if we had perma field I’d like that more

[frosty axle]

nope don't think so

[zealous karma]

Only Viola

[civic trellis]

10k kalos was pretty easy tbh…..

[swift swan]

I thought she had some sync tiles at 2/5, at least

[zealous karma]

It shocked me too

[swift swan]

meteor assault still hits like a truck anyway, trust

[trim robin]

sorry if they have sentry entry x2, (looking at siebold) why when i debuff him with SC ingo my SC emmett still does very little damage?

[verbal karma]

...nope, Falkner/Mina/Sycamore isn't working out either

[swift swan]

EX soon lmao

[sand karma]

Emmett is physical no?
It's a base defense double not +2 defense buff

[frosty axle]

Bruno gets one shotted by earthquake lol

[swift swan]

because even at -6 def you still can't completely negate sentry entry x2

[trim robin]

ok

guess getting SShilbert saved my ass

[civic trellis]

Earthquake is always annoying and bea/wally can barely handle it

[zealous karma]

Her nuke is so bad

With rebuff and zone combined she only hits 20K

[sand karma]

Sleepytime with Elio

[civic trellis]

I was running ss blue with wally and ss blue got KOd skyla survived thru endurance I think

[zealous karma]

Mine didn’t that’s odd

[frosty axle]

it was a crit 1k

[violet timber]

I just cheesed Siebold with 2022 Anni pikas

[sand karma]

You spent one cycle just buffing? Was this post sync?

[violet timber]

I have 0 bug type special attackers

[sand karma]

I'm waiting to see if anyone does it with just Burgh or Lusamine

[zealous karma]

Try this on round 2, I did change korrinas LS to adrenaline tho lel

[swift swan]

I still remember Zinfogel doing Viola/SS Kris/SC Ingo and her struggle bug did like, 7k each lmao

with a shit ton of SMUN stacks

[zealous karma]

Wow

Better than her nuke!

[swift swan]

I'm EXing viola anyway, out of appreciation

saved my ass in so many EBEs and LG

[zealous karma]

Her outfit is very good

[zealous karma]

Also hop got a super unlucky flinch here but if he didn’t the gauge would’ve been a lot better

Try using this team I think it should work as long as it’s pre sync round 2

I did that on round one for reference

[swift swan]

I'll test this later. is it possible for you to offtype with a strong dmg dealer?

[civic trellis]

I brought skyla for healing and ss blue for tanking so I think I might have spent the first cycle just buffing since I had no sp atk buffer

But blue lasted for a while, tho I think wikstrom did sync once

[zealous karma]

Healthy benefits is such a. Great passive

[sand karma]

How much is it's mitigation?

[umbral plaza]

i legit snapped feel naked now

[frosty axle]

Well Hop, Bruno and Korrina can't do enough damage and die on sync anyway

so probably skip f2p

[umbral plaza]

fact what I needed whole team of master fairs is devastating
ss diantha is pseudo master

[frosty axle]

what would make a difference is if Lucario got Ramming speed

[dusty path]

Uhh... Ah, thought you meant SSCyrus when you said Dark Zone

[verbal karma]

Depends...who are you thinking of?

[swift swan]

iirc you have zerena right

[spring fable]

wew lesgo

any recommended comps for drasna?

[swift swan]

NY Lisia, speed buffer, go brrr

[verbal karma]

Sure do!

[spring fable]

i tried using ingo

he dies before i can sync with him

[verbal karma]

should have used Emmet instead

[swift swan]

probably a luck issue if Drasna uses dragon rush too early

[vagrant sonnet]

lmao luck issue

[nocturne pawn]

i lost the metal burst proc to a fucking freeze from blizzard this is so dumb

[spring fable]

what are the odds of hop, solga and ss blue beating 2k diantha?

if easy, im thinking of running sycamore in ny lisia's team

[sand karma]

I did it with hop, Skyla and Solgaleo it wasn't very hard so go ahead

[mellow linden]

You'll want a status inflictor for Diantha

Oh wait

Nvm, Solgaleo

[sand karma]

Solgaleo can pierce with his sunsteel strike

[mellow linden]

Yeah

[sand karma]

Rest of them and the sync can hit the sides

[violet timber]

I used SS diantha with hop and solgaleo

Idk how I didn’t run into gauge issues

[mellow linden]

Unfortunately Siebold is too bulky for Lusamine on Master Mode

[sand karma]

Oh

I thought her damage is good but no bulk

[mellow linden]

She has high offensive stats and decent base power, but basically no modifiers

And Siebold has inflated HP, so she can't KO before Sync

[sand karma]

Mines ex she wiped the sides with sync after support sync

I didn't have rebuff on the sides iirc

[mellow linden]

On Master Mode?

[sand karma]

Yeah

[dusty path]

Took me a couple of opposing syncs with Aaron/TLDawn/Lusamine

[mellow linden]

Time to try again, then

[dusty path]

But she survived

[sand karma]

Good thing siebold doesn't have aoe moves

[mellow linden]

What parameters did y'all use?

[dusty path]

Pretty much all 4 red, HP+2, all strength and the first 2 shields

[swift swan]

all strength? presync? lusamine?

[verbal karma]

So wait, just replace Mina with Zerena then? Or do I need to do more changes?

[dusty path]

Not the most... Optimal

[dusty path]

No, not pre-sync, said it took a couple of opponent syncs

[mellow linden]

I'm gonna try SS Kris instead of SS Elesa for my Sp. Atk. Support and see what happens

[frosty axle]

My Lusamine took the sync easily

but I buffed sp.def and dropped sp.atk

[dusty path]

Yeah... EX Lusamine, +6SpDef, about -4SpAtk

[swift swan]

well what's your usual zerena team? zerena, skyla, extra third damage dealer (or dragon zone if you have it)

[frosty axle]

I will upload my gacha runs later even without my f2p

[swift swan]

should be better if you stack the SMUN

[mellow linden]

First I gotta murder Wikstrom so I can use the Round 2 effect for quadqueue purposes lol

[spring fable]

hmm im struggling with drasna

speed buffer marley

[verbal karma]

I have no Dragon Zone

Also, can't use Skyla anymore either

[swift swan]

any good tank and a speed buffer then

[short glacier]

@umbral plaza

[mellow linden]

Ah, I was just underestimating how much damage Lusamine's Sync would do

Lusamine + SS Elesa + Lodge Dawn pre-Synced

Anyway, on to Drasna and Malva

[swift swan]

LUSAMINESWEEP

[lunar meadow]

Oh no... I don't think I can mono-type wikstrom this week....

I don't have Cyncario, so I don't have a fighting type that can buff Sdef or lower satk. And her first flash cannon under steel zone is an ohko

[keen jasper]

Cries in Burgh sweep

[short glacier]

Yeah, Lucario is really good there

because it will remove steel zone

[lunar meadow]

It's one of the only supports I don't have

[verbal karma]

Tried with Holiday Jasmine/Zerena/Sycamore, but no luck again 😦

[lunar meadow]

And it seems necessary for a mono type clear. Normally Sirfetchd can OHKO with sync, but can't get that done

[mellow linden]

I wouldn't recommend Sycamore with SS Serena, personally

[marsh crater]

For fighting weak. Bea is enough right

Need someone to buff crit

But only have hop

[dusty path]

I mean not a solo, but sure 😂

[lunar meadow]

Ya, but not for monotype with week without Cyncario

[dusty path]

Doesn't she buff her own crit?

[umbral plaza]

Thanks Ciro

[marsh crater]

She buff her own crit at 2/5 i think. I only have her at 1/5

[lunar meadow]

Sirfetchd will want an ally this week that can clear zone or buff Sdef

[dusty path]

Ah, she starts at +2 Crit (Passive)

[marsh crater]

Does A.Steven clear zone?

[dusty path]

Yeah... Defog or another zone will work

I don't think so?

[lunar meadow]

Defog from staraptor and Altaria does

Or changing to another zone

[marsh crater]

Dont have any of these 2

Zone zone

[dusty path]

Or any other zones?

[marsh crater]

Oh yea i got ss diantha

Thats it?

She debuff defense too

[dusty path]

Yep that'll work well

[marsh crater]

So the supporter is

Can i do skyla?

But no crit buff

Ss diantha hone only for her right?

[dusty path]

SSDiantha buffs her own crit, also buffs everyone's Def anyway

[dusty path]

Yep only herself

[marsh crater]

Hmm

[old orchid]

no, only weather

[marsh crater]

What

Haih poor rayquaza

He cannot shine this week

[dusty path]

Is that 3/5?

[marsh crater]

What?

[dusty path]

A grid node that unlocks when you have him at 3/5

[marsh crater]

A.Steven weather wipe at 3/5

[dusty path]

Yeah that's just weather

[marsh crater]

I have 2 setter ccalem and ss diantha

Oh wait i have bianca too

Wait psychic field is a zone too right?

Wait drasna noivern also set dragon zone right?

Whats with so many zone setter

[nocturne pawn]

i have been enlightened to the ways of burgh

19k with -2 spdef and no crit

and now i realize i have to ex him

fuck

[marsh crater]

Any tip for fairy weak?

I only have kali, sycamore, mina and valerie

And i have only 1 4*candy for valerie

[nocturne pawn]

dont even bother with valerie shes garbage

[marsh crater]

The bug weak. Can i do the standard noland, bugsy and aron?

[swift swan]

probably not, because of sentry entry x2

[nocturne pawn]

sentry entry x2

[swift swan]

you can, but it'll be postsync

[marsh crater]

Sentry entry? What it do?

[nocturne pawn]

doubles defense

[marsh crater]

So cannot presync?

[old orchid]

Double base defense

[nocturne pawn]

aka physical moves essentially means you’re off typing

[marsh crater]

Then how?

[nocturne pawn]

and siebold has like 30k hp

and grad healing

[marsh crater]

Poison stall!

?

Why so hard

[nocturne pawn]

do you not have burgh

[old orchid]

I still prefer poison stalling over using Burgh

Dude needs a lot of help

[nocturne pawn]

true

but it works

also tfw you dont get mpr on blue’s tm twice

[marsh crater]

Burgh?

I dont have burgh

[spring fable]

argh drasna is a pain

[old orchid]

So poison stalling then

[marsh crater]

I have lodge dawn

Hmm

[old orchid]

Get a strong tank and use NY Lisia

[spring fable]

whats a strong tank?

[marsh crater]

Feels like want to use silver hoph

[spring fable]

been using sycamore

[old orchid]

She isnt good in a stall team

[spring fable]

but freevenge tingz

[old orchid]

Grid him Adrenaline

If you can't quad queue

[marsh crater]

Really dont have any idea to beat siebold

And drasna

Bug is always a problem

[old orchid]

Again, poison stalling

[nocturne pawn]

freevenge actually disallows quad queue fyi

[old orchid]

If you can show us your roster we might help you create a team

[marsh crater]

Poison stall the usual lucy and janine?

[spring fable]

sycamore is pretty squishy here

[marsh crater]

Sycamore gonna put on drasna

But then again. Hmm

[old orchid]

I guess Dragon Rush destroys him?

[trail smelt]

Cynthia just shutting down Wikstrom’s shenanigans immediately is just so funny to me lol

Sycamore can take presync Drasna’s dragon rush like 2-3 times

[marsh crater]

Who to go first? Wilkstrom, malva, drasna, siebold? In these order?

[spring fable]

dragon pulse removes 70% of his hp

[old orchid]

With crit support he can heal back

[trail smelt]

But post sync OHKO’s Sycamore without Crit lol

[old orchid]

Wtf thats a lot

[trail smelt]

Because ZONE

[swift swan]

makes sense

[trail smelt]

This is assuming you don’t do defenses + debuffs

[swift swan]

crying because his powerboost doesn't give him team toughen up

[trail smelt]

I’m… pretty sure sycamore can survive one zone dragon rush with max defenses and full debuff

[old orchid]

Dont pick too many atk and Strength params

[trail smelt]

But with my team that ain’t happening lol

[swift swan]

you're gonna hate my params then lmao

[marsh crater]

Should put another tank to tank that dragon rush

Put sycamore as moonblast spammer?

[trail smelt]

Oh also you gotta survive the sync itself haha

Which, surprisingly, my fairy team could

[marsh crater]

What is ur fairy team

The last 2 elite four seems need offtyping

[swift swan]

only if it procs a turn before the sync

[trail smelt]

It was a mess of random units chosen from a pool of Diantha, Kala, Mina, and Sycamore

[swift swan]

you're fine if it doesn't proc

[old orchid]

Hop Mina Sycamore should clear Drasna well

[marsh crater]

Feels like wanna go full flying on drasna

[spring fable]

Wtv I’ll take the dub

[marsh crater]

Kahili, A.steven, skyla.

On drasna

[swift swan]

a win is a win

where are all the mina showcases smh

[trail smelt]

Not sure what happened there haha

Why’d Ny Lisia die

[verbal karma]

Wait, who then?

[lunar meadow]

I had to switch to OP dragon types to monotype wikstrom. Not having Cyncario made on-typing impossible

[swift swan]

both fight for first sync

[marsh crater]

Calem the tanker? Is that moonblast xerneas?

[swift swan]

go for a speed buffer who doesn't need to sync to do so

zerena takes first sync

[spring fable]

she died to an aoe T^T

[verbal karma]

Oh...but that makes quadqueing impossible...

[spring fable]

maybe and no

sycamore is the tank

i prolly misplayed maybe?

first sync sycamore, second sync nylisia

[trail smelt]

Oh yeah that’d do it

[spring fable]

maybe couldve double support synced

[trail smelt]

For a team without defenses that is dangerous yeah

[swift swan]

it shouldn't be. click zerena's sync, click two TMs with the other two units. save the 4 gauges for zerena to quadqueue

[trail smelt]

You know

I was tempted to do dragon Vs dragon haha

Take advantage of Drasna setting up zone for my own nuke

[swift swan]

if you can't beat them, join them

[short glacier]

you're right, I just went with SST Red cause I don't have very good fairy types

but I could have went with a dragon type to take advantage of dragon zone that Drasna sets up

[marsh crater]

Ah i this case draco meteor shiny ray can work?

[short glacier]

with Zerena sync move, the sides will most likely go KO and the middle will take a lot of damage

even more with dragon zone

[marsh crater]

Put clear weather move increase

Hmm maybe i can try it

Full flying draco meteor. Hmm

[swift swan]

zerena can definitely use the dragon zone to her advantage there

quadqueue, wait for drasna to set up zone, then second sync

[marsh crater]

Cyrus? Can he also?

[verbal karma]

...welp, turns out Holiday Jasmine makes quadqueing impossible in general... 😦

Now I need to find a replacement...

[swift swan]

how? let me check her kit

[mellow linden]

Unless she’s 3/5 and has Team Shout there’s nothing in her kit that prevents quadqueue

What round is this?

[swift swan]

4, iirc

[mellow linden]

Yeah, should be totally possible

Granted, in my experience it seems like it’s harder to quadqueue when a Sync-triggered passive goes off (that could definitely be my imagination though), but it’s not impossible

[nocturne pawn]

does anyone have adrenaline 2 or is it just head start 2

[mellow linden]

Iirc Alder has Adrenaline 2

[cinder summit]

Adrenaline 2

Reduces the sync move countdown by 2 the first time the user's sync move is used each battle.

Sync Pairs with Passive:

Sygna Suit Leaf & Venusaur
Lear & Hoopa
Alder & Volcarona

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[ancient lava]

Why does Siebold take forever to beat

[mellow linden]

What team are you using?

[ancient lava]

uh... Colress/SS N/Xerneas....

I don't have any good bugs

[mellow linden]

Well 1) that team has very little synergy, and 2) Bug weak Siebold has Sentry Entry x2, which doubles his Defense (and cannot be ignored by Piercing Blows or equivalents)

[ancient lava]

I mean I can beat him, it just took me like 5 syncs

Oh nuts, didn't read the Sentry Entry one

No wonder lmao

[verbal karma]

Static Cling

Static Cling interrupts quadqueing

[mellow linden]

Ah, that is a grid tile, missed that

Just get rid of it then

[nocturne pawn]

you can ungrid it

[verbal karma]

Anyway, I had to find out that Roxanne is worse at speed buffing than Sycamore 😦

[mellow linden]

She's literally equal in terms of Speed buffs alone

Sycamore has gauge accel on Trainer Move though, so in terms of gauge support he's a bit better

But I wouldn't use Sycamore with SS Serena, still, H. Jasmine uses like zero gauge and Speed buffers almost always have at worst a 2-bar move

So gauge issues should basically be nonexistent

[spring fable]

zz diantha

this week hasnt been easy

bless me arceus

[swift swan]

wooooo drasna flinched me and ruined my queues

[mellow linden]

Drasna has convinced me to show no mercy for the remainder of Kalos CS

[trail smelt]

… oh right Dragon Rush flinches

[swift swan]

drasna stop flinching me wtf

how come your 40% flinches always hit

[onyx ice]

Her problem is that she's slow af, while sycamore has better speed

[trail smelt]

You’re not in r4 right?

[swift swan]

I am in r4. that's why I said 40%

[trail smelt]

Ohh right

[nocturne pawn]

isnt dragon rush 30%

[swift swan]

20% iirc

aaaand

I got flinched by the rock slide

wonderful

[verbal karma]

Roxanne is the one who gives me gauge issues

[spring fable]

which special param should i pick against diantha

[mellow linden]

Try Marley then

[verbal karma]

Oh, so THAT is what's wrong

[swift swan]

if you have support EX, the sync buffs one

[verbal karma]

Oh, Marley is even worse

She can only use 3 TMs

[mellow linden]

That's not a point against her

[verbal karma]

Which is definitely not enough

[mellow linden]

I literally use Marley all the time with SS Serena

[short glacier]

That's something I wanted to ask, how do you efficiently quadqueue, I do it sometimes

but not always

[verbal karma]

It is if I want to quadqueue with Zerena

[short glacier]

or it's just random

[mellow linden]

SS Serena has Rejuvenate

Oh wait

That's 3/5

[verbal karma]

Rejuvenate prevents quadqueue, sadly

[mellow linden]

Save Marley's Trainer Move until after Sync then

[verbal karma]

Believe me, I tried

[mellow linden]

That is false

I've done it plenty of times

[verbal karma]

I tried it countless of times and it never worked

[swift swan]

regretting all life choices using Sycamore/Hop/Mina vs Drasna r4

that rock slide man

[verbal karma]

Is that for yourself or for me?

[swift swan]

I'm testing it for you

[verbal karma]

Well, I already said that I have Hop reserved for R5

[swift swan]

sonia then, or someone similar

[mellow linden]

Regardless, if you refuse to use Rejuvenate then save Marley's Trainer Move until after SS Serena's Sync

[verbal karma]

It's not that I refuse to use it

Infact, she literally has Rejuvenate

It's just that quadqueing with it never works for me

[dusty path]

Rejuvenate is a passive, so it procs late... You'll want to already have enough gauge for the quadqueue

[mellow linden]

Then save Marley's Trainer Move for after SS Serena Sync

It uses no gauge

[verbal karma]

Welp, turns out it doesn't matter anyway

Zerena's two sync attacks hit like a wet noodle

[spring fable]

how am i losing with hop, solga and ss blue

[verbal karma]

I literally had better results with not only Mina or Lodge Lillie, but even Pal Dawn

[mellow linden]

1. Who are you facing

2. Did you take Soften Up from SS Serena's grid

3. Was SS Serena at max crit

4. Did you use Thousand Waves to apply Restrain

And 5. What round is it

[verbal karma]

R4 Drasna

and yes, I did use Thousand Waves

[manic kiln]

Yeah that was impossible, i do have cynthia but tried mono without her just to test some stuff and they 1-2 shot everything. You can try mono off type still mono clear. I’m having trouble with diantha on type tbh, my steel roster is trash, steven only 2/5 so his sync was not that great. And when i took too long to kill steel zone will benefit her

[mellow linden]

Also, did you get Brainpower?

[verbal karma]

Have to check if Zerena has Soften Up and Brainpower, tho

[versed meteor]

Alright how does mina clear drasna?

[trail smelt]

I gave up lol

[mellow linden]

Very carefully

Attack debuffs into Sync nuke, basically

[trail smelt]

For hard mode it’s doable but 2k is ugh

[mellow linden]

At least I would assume that's how

[verbal karma]

I can't get Soften Up

I forgot Zerena is only 1/5

[lunar meadow]

Mono dragon was pretty easy.

But ya, I tried my best to mono-fighting and without an accelerated sync for Cyncario to get steel zone gone it definitely doesn't seem like a good time for mono

[versed meteor]

I wanna try mina since people would swear that mina is good

[mellow linden]

And yet you said she has Rejuvenate earlier

After I said it was 3/5

[short glacier]

Sycamore is also a pretty good fairy striker

despite being a support

if you don't have better option

[spring fable]

Cleared it just as I started whining about it being too hard

[verbal karma]

Because I thought she did

[mellow linden]

After I said it was 3/5

[verbal karma]

But I guess I mixed her up with someone else

[mellow linden]

?

[verbal karma]

It looked like 3/5 on one of the screens of mine at first 😦

So I thought it was

[manic kiln]

At least hoenn was manageable. This cs has some nasty stages for mono clear

[verbal karma]

Anyway, if Zerena is not an option, then who can I use instead?

[mellow linden]

Don't you have SS Hilda

[lunar meadow]

I've been doing monotype for a long time (except rock and poison, which were situational)

[verbal karma]

Wait, you think SS Hilda can work?

[trail smelt]

I could do every monotype except fairy

Blah

[lunar meadow]

But this fighting stage is the first one I feel like might not be possible with the units we have

[mellow linden]

Probably

[trail smelt]

I hate my roster

[mellow linden]

Drasna doesn't have Sentry Entry x2

[verbal karma]

...well, she is 3/5, so maybe

I might need to sync with EX Holiday Jasmine first, tho

[mellow linden]

I 2ked her with SS Hilda + Gordie + SS Morty, you don't even need Gordie/SS Morty tho since I didn't get to SS Hilda's Sync before Drasna went down

[verbal karma]

...or maybe even replace Marley with Sycamore again?

[mellow linden]

Just Sun + a tank

[trail smelt]

If you wanna monotype Wikstrom I think SSAynthia is necessary I believe?

[verbal karma]

Oh

Blaine then

[mellow linden]

And use V-Create

[manic kiln]

Same I’ve been doing mono clear because i was too lazy to change team only have trouble now with steel type. Rock and poison not so much but we’ll see with malva rock weak

[mellow linden]

If gauge is a concern make sure your tank can manage gauge really well

[rotund lagoon]

Better not use Searing Shot for the love of Arceus

[swift swan]

All my failed drasna attempts lmfao

When will dena release a feature to see our last battle recording and download it

[lunar meadow]

Rock is hard because there's no rock type sand-setter aside from Egg Kabutops. So Archeops relies on that baddy.

Dianthie probably is better, but I haven't swapped to her. Trying to think who would even be the tank, anyway.

For poison, I'll be swapping to EmmaBat and Naganadel

[rotund lagoon]

Ain’t that the truth

[lunar meadow]

We just got character customization. 3 years in

[manic kiln]

I never used sand lmao unless parameter has perma zone then i use lodge raihan, usually use olivia kukui and roxanne, but i do have ss diantha now

[lunar meadow]

Olivia without sand??? Blasphemy.

I don't have Raihan, so he's the only lodge unit I'm missing

[manic kiln]

they don’t give use real rock type sand setter so kukui fills that slot and debuff def

[lunar meadow]

Kukui has so many sand tiles...

Imagine he gets a grid expansion with dust kicker, like Garchomp did

[swift swan]

https://youtu.be/Win2_EhcirI
Hop/Sycamore/Mina on 2k Drasna

parameters and grids at the end of the video

Mina with CS2 btw

[old orchid]

[verbal karma]

...welp, Holiday Jasmine/SS Hilda/Blaine isn't working out either 😦

[mellow linden]

Did you grid SS Hilda for Rising Tide?

And are you using V-Create?

[verbal karma]

Yeah, I did

[mellow linden]

What specifically is going wrong then?

[verbal karma]

SS Hilda's second sync attack can't defeat Drasna, plain and simple

though SS Hilda came the closest so far

[lunar meadow]

We don't have a fire weak stage this week.

Isn't Amphy mainly good for defense and for super effective up?

[mellow linden]

Did you try EX Support Sync 1st?

[verbal karma]

I tried, but then I didn't have enough move gauge to quadqueue

[mellow linden]

Did you give up as soon as you couldn't quadqueue or did you at least try and see if you could do it anyways?

[manic kiln]

Is this round 4

[mellow linden]

Apparently

[verbal karma]

Quadqueue is a requirement

[mellow linden]

So you gave up as soon as you couldn't quadqueue

[verbal karma]

Simply because SS Hilda can't survive Drasna's sync at all

[mellow linden]

Holiday Jasmine is 3/5, right?

[verbal karma]

Yeah

[mellow linden]

Adrenaline in grid

If you refuse to even try unless you can fit your 2nd Sync in

[manic kiln]

yeah just try again. But I don’t get the obsession with presync clear, sometimes post sync clear is totally fine if you can build a team that manage to survive sync

[lunar meadow]

I've never quad qued intentionally

[verbal karma]

Alright, found a way to get Adrenaline...even if I had to sacrifice one of two Master Healers 😦

[grand trout]

Still stuck on drasna?

[mellow linden]

You won't need Master Healer if you just KO them outright

[late grove]

nothing wrong about clearing the stage anyways

[grand trout]

Have you tried stall?

[verbal karma]

I don't have the sync pair builds necessary for that

[rotund lagoon]

Do they even survive sync????

[mellow linden]

Stall barely requires any building, but ok

[swift swan]

yeah that's the problem, if you can build a team that can survive sync. most new players get stuck at that part

[verbal karma]

Anyway, am trying again with my current team, but with Adrenaline this time

[grand trout]

Welp, good luck

[verbal karma]

Thnx

[swift swan]

adrenaline guarantees you syncing twice

idk what else you need

[late grove]

back in the old days of stalling you use skyla Lucy and Viola to win

you should be fine

[grand trout]

Janine ?

[manic kiln]

They’re not new, but yeah it will be hard for new players. But presync also hard when they didn’t deal enough dmg

[rotund lagoon]

I used SS Leaf

Still do tbh

[grand trout]

Been a while since i stalled

Last one was the vespiquen stage which couldn't cut it

[rotund lagoon]

Its satisfying af

[grand trout]

That bug was tanky af

[verbal karma]

Nope, SS Hilda still can't survive Drasna's sync 😦

[mellow linden]

Drasna shouldn't be getting to Sync

[verbal karma]

and yet she does

[rotund lagoon]

You’re using V-Create?

[mellow linden]

What's your SS Hilda grid and are you using V-Create exclusively?

[swift swan]

kill her on your second sync or bust

[verbal karma]

Bust then

Because I seem to be unable to beat her on my second sync

[mellow linden]

What is your SS Hilda grid, and are you exclusively using V-Create once SS Hilda has finished her self-buff?

[verbal karma]

Yes

[mellow linden]

Yep, figured grid was the issue

Try this one instead

[hazy tusk]

Lmao this is the true reason for me deciding to do monotype runs

[hazy tusk]

Yeah our Fighting type supports are abysmal

[manic kiln]

We’ll be getting more slot next month but i will still stick to mono team maybe build sp team and physical team now

[sinful garden]

stage seems made for ssa cynthia despite being a 5 months old unit 💀

[manic kiln]

It’s a new cs they got to sell those meta units even tho they’re old, its a fu to those who pull for faves and skip everything

me being a meta slave

[hazy tusk]

Yeah I've grown accustomed to the nice A E S T H E T I C of a monotype team

Spec and Phys teams is a good idea, though I'm not sure it'll change much for me

[hazy tusk]

Just fave the metas

[manic dust]

This is my very first time making it to CSMM and I'm a bit overwhelmed -- is there rhyme or reason to choosing the modifiers? Should I go for specific points my first time?

[manic kiln]

Yes to aesthetic players

[spring fable]

try to aim for 850 pts per run!

can refer to pinned (scroll down alittle) for some recommended params

[manic dust]

Cool, thank you!

[spring fable]

have fun

[manic dust]

Hahaha I will try!

[long thicket]

Alright, so the scientist with Wikstrom just gave himself the final damage...

[swift swan]

hi! congrats on unlocking CSMM. the parameters may look very overwhelming at first but like Kirby said, aim for 850 points per run and go up from there. it will net you 4.2k points total, which is where all the good rewards are. if you need certain parameters turned off, Strength is usually the best replacement

[mellow linden]

Steel Beam recoil finished him off, I assume?

[swift swan]

Kalos is a bit harder than older CS regions but you'll get the hang of it. if you're confident in a certain stage weakness, you can raise the points there and lower points in other stages where you're having trouble

for example Water-weak Malva is super easy with all the water pairs we have, while Fairy-weak Drasna is slightly more demanding. if you can't 850 Drasna that's fine, you can make up for the points loss in other stages!

[hazy tusk]

Ironic, the scientist took a calculated risk, but he was bad at math

[manic dust]

Thank you! I really appreciate the advice from you and Kirby! And good to know on being able to mix and match. Because I have some limited units but not a ton, so I can rely on them for some others I can't do maybe!

[long thicket]

Yup.

[swift swan]

it's fine, CSMM is doable with f2p and genpool units generally

[mellow linden]

Nice

[swift swan]

don't hesitate asking here if you have trouble

[mellow linden]

Always fun when the opponent KOs themselves

[spring fable]

i ask here all the time

[manic dust]

Thanks! I definitely will! You guys are the reason I even made it to CSMM!

[swift swan]

love it when the opponent KOs themselves in poison stalling. so satisfying

[dusty path]

Totally not the entire reason I joined this server, this and LG

[long thicket]

In a similar way, I can't believe I could barely even complete regular champion stadium before joining...

[dusty path]

I literally didn't realize pre-syncing was a thing 😂
Or using one team (let alone solos) in the gauntlet

[swift swan]

for the longest time I couldn't find parameters comfortable enough for me to 2k

then I took a glance at the pins

sudden improvement

back then the pinned params were quite different, I remember when it was majorly revised

[dusty path]

I tried following the pins for a while, but it can get tedious choosing the right ones... Now since I have a lot of great units I can be a bit lazy with parameters, not optimizing the easiest ones any more

[hazy tusk]

I've been using the same params for year(s?) now, I'm too lazy to think

Full Strength all the way babyyyy

[nocturne pawn]

fighting weak wikstrom is giving me an aneurysm

[manic kiln]

E4 being trash sync pairs but absolute beast in CS

[nocturne pawn]

i mean sinnoh e4 is good

besides flint

[dusty path]

Yes 😂 Full strength, reds, HP+2, and the shield field effects

[hazy tusk]

reds?

[dusty path]

Aaron Bertha and Lucian... Yes they are great. Best bug type defensive support, at least 3 sandstorms with trap and Atk debuff, and (fairly) rare SpDef debuffer with a nuke... Then fire monke

[dusty path]

The 4 at the bottom, highest points (3x 300, 600)

[hazy tusk]

ah

[latent eagle]

How are these teams for MM? (Order is not final it’s just how I have my preset teams set up)

[hazy tusk]

I normally do -Gauge, full Strength, both Power on Hits, both Shields, +Sync Buff

[dusty path]

Oof power on hit gets... Intense...

You really are going for like half of pre-sync, huh? 😂

Unless you have reliable disruption (flinch, sleep/freeze) in there

[hazy tusk]

pretty much I suppose

by the time PoH gets really scary they should be dead/almost dead anyway

or I die

[dusty path]

Yep

[hazy tusk]

nah like I said, I'm lazy, so these are my generic params for every fight

[swift swan]

PoH gets scary?

[hazy tusk]

I normally kill them right before or right after they sync

[hazy tusk]

remember: dead opponents cannot scare you

[dusty path]

Try a stall with PoH overkill example, but you will see

[swift swan]

stall with PoH

what's next, stall but full strength

[latent eagle]

Is this good for MM?

[hazy tusk]

oh yeah no stalling for me, those days are behind me

[dusty path]

Absorb HP moves stall with PoH

[hazy tusk]

"DeNA can we get CSMM Hard Lv 2"
"we have CSMM Hard Lv 2 at home"
the CSMM Hard Lv 2 at home:

[main crow]

What's up with the SS Ethan?

Pretty sure May herself should be sufficient as the main dps

[latent eagle]

He's kinda just there ig??? I used him for trapped and an air blast in my regular run and I can't think of a unit to replace him w/ so he's really just there lmao

[dusty path]

And you're sure fairy and bug are the stages you want the rats in? Or is that probably the best idea?

[sand karma]

Yeah a spatk crit supp for may would be better

[main crow]

Ash is failsafe

Assuming Lusamine didn't survive

[main crow]

Additional special+crit buffer perhaps?

[nocturne pawn]

i actually hate wikstrom

i shouldve used ss steven on him instead of siebold

arghfjksjf

[spring fable]

just reset

[latent eagle]

Electric Terrain against the dragon zone and uhhhhhh I still don't trust lusamine even when EXed

[sand karma]

What's the team

[main crow]

May can't reach Max crit without TM MPR, same with her own sp atk

[nocturne pawn]

hop bea hilbert

[sand karma]

Its a waste of time buffing her by herself esp in mm

[nocturne pawn]

bea and hilbert are 3/5

[latent eagle]

Does lyra work?

[sand karma]

Ah

Good luck living in the zone

[nocturne pawn]

its just i cant quad queue and this dude fucking one shots hilbert half the time with flash cannon

and then thunderbolt is just death

and then sides have earthquake because why the fuck not

[swift swan]

terrain and zone don't cancel each other out btw. they will just overlap

[main crow]

Continuing, she can technically reach +6 sp atk on her own but she needs inclement intellect and even then it's not fully guaranteed

[nocturne pawn]

ss brendan stonks

[swift swan]

yeah, hilbert really can't be the main tank if you don't replace the zone

Hop/Hilbert/Bea should be fine, keep Hop at full health as often as possible

[sand karma]

You have hop anyway why not get Darach he gives speed

[nocturne pawn]

my only zoner is ccalem whos too slow anyway

[nocturne pawn]

because 1/5 and hes doing nothing outside of defog

like i might as well buff bea faster

[swift swan]

he gives speed to the entire team (and Bea likes it for inertia)

[sand karma]

Feather dance✨

[nocturne pawn]

if i was going that route id use masked royale

who’s probably getting eviscerated anyway

[latent eagle]

Oops I did not know that uhhhh, I got anni skyla, Courtney and SSR Cynthia zone wise any of them good?

[main crow]

Uuhh unless you got really lucky with the MPR May could only get +4 sp atk

[nocturne pawn]

any of them work for replacing zone

[sand karma]

I mean defog is the main thing
Feather dance further softens him
Then another defog for the phys shield he uses before sync

[nocturne pawn]

the main thing here is that you want to get rid of steel zone asap

[main crow]

Thought I felt like +4 on May already does quite hefty damage

[nocturne pawn]

bea has soften up so phys shield isnt a problem anyway

[sand karma]

I forget crits ignore shields

[swift swan]

I'd go with anni skyla then. extra potions and maaaybe you can flinch?

[latent eagle]

Any suggestions then?

[latent eagle]

Ye that's who I decided to go w/

[manic dust]

Okay I made it all the way to Siebold in CSMM but I am struggling to build my team since bug is uh...bad. I have Aaron and he is definitely in, but the strikers are very lackluster...

[swift swan]

your support doesn't need to be ontype, remember that

what bug types do you have

I know someone managed to clear with Lusamine

[swift swan]

here we go

[main crow]

SS Elesa, Glacia, MCTorchic, Classic Giovanni
At least most accessible wise

[manic dust]

Those are all my bugs

[swift swan]

oof, 1/5

[keen jasper]

Ouch

[swift swan]

yeah, I guess you can just offtype then

[keen jasper]

Better off-type

[swift swan]

special attackers

don't go physical

[manic dust]

Gotcha, thanks! I'll build a special offtype team!

[latent eagle]

This better? Might stick SST Red on champion 5 if I struggle instead of MC but that’s it

[main crow]

Oh btw you need a status inflictor on Diantha

[swift swan]

brawly's redundant, cynthia has potions already

[nocturne pawn]

solgaleo has piercing blows on sunsteel strike

[main crow]

So uh
SST Red

[keen jasper]

Solgaleo?

[swift swan]

solgaleo can just ignore that, yeah

[main crow]

I always forgot that thing have piercing blows

Despite using it this week

[latent eagle]

Def down that's why he's there

[swift swan]

hmmmm

[main crow]

Don't the team might need speed? Unless they're all rather low gauge

[swift swan]

the two lucarios fight for sync too, no?

[latent eagle]

And extra pots if need be cause Cynthia is 1/5

[swift swan]

ssa cynthia wants to sync to keep the zone up. korrina wants to sync for extra stats

[swift swan]

ssa cynthia is one of the best tanks in the game atm. she'll be fine

[latent eagle]

I've found just having Cynthia sync first then korrina next sync usually kills anything might just be the sync buff tho

[swift swan]

I just checked korrina's grid... does she literally have no sync multipliers

[swift swan]

if that works then sure

[latent eagle]

I rather be safe then sorry in MM

[swift swan]

just remember without adrenaline on cynthia, korrina will sync without zone

[frosty axle]

Well I've done Wikstrom F2P with a consistent strategy now to try the next three

[latent eagle]

What order should I do the MM in?

[frosty axle]

I like doing Wikstrom then Bug one

[keen jasper]

Depends

[latent eagle]

Depends on what? I've shared my teams so now I'm trying to figure out what order to go in

[main crow]

They all technically have special moves at their disposal yeah?

[keen jasper]

I think Wikstrom is pure physical, but IIRC, one of the sides almost did Discharge

But that's only when Wikstrom died

[main crow]

Don't wiks have steel beam? Or is it flash canon? I don't remember

But it was certainly a special move from one of the sides

[keen jasper]

Flash Cannon

[main crow]

Yeah just the sides then

I'd say Wiks is like the best tackled first, just don't do siebold first that hydro pump got hands lmao

[latent eagle]

Again what order should I go in?

[keen jasper]

Round 1: Either Siebold or Drasna
Round 2: Irrelevant
Round 3: Irrelevant
Round 4: Not Siebold or Drasna because they have flinch hax and Siebold's sides have Muddy Water with OaR1, meaning they can guarantee debuff your team's accuracy

[spring fable]

damn i did drasna r4

maybe i should consider the sides when choosing who to fight for which round

[keen jasper]

I mean Dragon Rush hits really hard and has a chance to flinch you

And Drasna's sides have Rock Slide, so definitely not R4 against her

[main crow]

Doesn't R1 parameter heightened their sp atk?

[keen jasper]

R1 is preemptive light screen

[main crow]

Yes but doesn't the enemy also received a slight buff from it?

[manic dust]

I did it!!!! Thank you guys for the help and giving me the confidence to get through my first CSMM!! That was not too bad 🙂

[spring fable]

congrats!!

[manic dust]

Thanks!

[keen jasper]

[main crow]

I swear I read smth like that before

[spring fable]

thats why i saw malva was fully special and decided to nerf her r1

[swift swan]

congratulations!! well done

[keen jasper]

How many points?

[manic dust]

4200!

[swift swan]

I forgot Siebold's sides can lower accuracy

[main crow]

You get shield
But also the enemy received this slight power buff to accommodate (?)
Something along that line

[verbal karma]

Even with the new SS Hilda grid, I still can't beat Drasna before she does her sync 😦

[swift swan]

I'd say R4 not Wikstrom too

iron head

[keen jasper]

Oh yeah

[manic dust]

Thank you!

[swift swan]

I just finished doing Drasna r4... dragon rush flinch itself wasn't too bad, but the rock slide from the right, man....

[keen jasper]

Malva is prolly the safest option for R4 despite the sides having Heat Wave

10% chance to burning your team

[swift swan]

you can try resetting and aim for higher points. the next milestone is 7.5k (1.5k each). if the jump in power feels too big, then take it slow by doing 4.5k, 5k, and so on

[spring fable]

dang i thought malva was best for r1 because she's fully special and there's special damage reduction

[manic dust]

Oh you can reset multiple times? Sweet, I will give that a try!

[keen jasper]

Just take away her sun

And she's not a threat

[spring fable]

Couldve maybe made my run abit more optimised to the rounds

[swift swan]

can confirm, Malva brings CCalem down to endurance with Overheat under sun

[keen jasper]

Yes, when you complete MM for the very first time

[keen jasper]

Charging Sun 5 with sun boost for 100% extra damage

[swift swan]

[keen jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/pokémon-malva-malva-pokémon-xy-malva-gif-25713459

[frosty axle]

2 down and 3 to figure out a F2P way without sleep

as I hate using sleep

[keen jasper]

Don't like using sleep chain?

[swift swan]

#1011675077764456519 message sleep hack jumpscare

[frosty axle]

new players don't usually know how to do it well

[verbal karma]

Any other suggestions for R4 Drasna? Holiday Jasmine/SS Hilda/Blaine isn't working out

[keen jasper]

Let's see... Yeah. You're gonna get flinched hard by Drasna and the sides

[frosty axle]

although I do have to use trainer lodge pairs to win without it so not sure whats worse

[verbal karma]

That's not even the problem here

[frosty axle]

I was close to beating Siebold

[verbal karma]

The problem here is that SS Hilda's second sync can't beat Drasna

[keen jasper]

Are you trying 2k pts.?

[verbal karma]

and Holiday Jasmine is the sole survivor of Drasna's sync

[swift swan]

I propose: https://youtu.be/Win2_EhcirI

[verbal karma]

Yeah

[swift swan]

a completely f2p option

[keen jasper]

Drasna hits very hard under dragon zone, so you need to replace or remove it

[swift swan]

warning though: reset heavy due to flinches in R4

[sonic blaze]

cheese her with pika red? ;v and have someone ready to remove her dragon zone, which she does right before sync

[verbal karma]

I don't have Pika Red

[prime warren]

I used SSred for drasna

So SShilda should be very doable

Just bring strong tank and sun

[sonic blaze]

f

[swift swan]

that's what they did, and still failed

[keen jasper]

Like ||Best unit SS Morty||

[swift swan]

can someone with 3/5 ss hilda test it

[rotund lagoon]

Not everyone has him lol

[swift swan]

I find it hard to believe

[rotund lagoon]

I agree, this should not be a failing team.

[prime warren]

SSred one shots sides

SShilda should be more comfortable run

[sonic blaze]

ik, put a question mark jus to make sure xd, when i struggle with a CSMM offtype, red and lyra come clutch ;v

[rotund lagoon]

LEGIT!!!

[verbal karma]

Holiday Jasmine is my Tank and Blaine gives sun

[swift swan]

one button set up, v create spam

[rotund lagoon]

That’s fair, I have them both as well.

[prime warren]

Also why use SShilda for drasna..... doesn't diantha demand status

Better to bring her for that

[swift swan]

it's fine

ss hilda's status chance is terrible

[prime warren]

Do you have any other dps?

Rly?

[verbal karma]

What would be preferred?

[prime warren]

I don't have SShilda
But I always thought it's like good enuff chance to drop due to those co op hilda users

[swift swan]

30% on an AOE move, which gets the AOE penalty in inflicting status too

[keen jasper]

What move level is your SS Hilda and what round are you doing Drasna?

[verbal karma]

SS Hilda is 3/5

Drasna is R4

[keen jasper]

What are your parameters?

[verbal karma]

Pre-Sync

[keen jasper]

You know, I know I've said this before, but you do realize you can make your own parameters? Just saying

[sonic blaze]

worst case scenario (since you already know how to beat the others), finish it quickly without master mode parameters, reset, and do drasna r1 to not get destroyed by flinch?

[verbal karma]

I am bad at making my own parameters, though

[rotund lagoon]

@verbal karma You watched this, right?

[verbal karma]

I don't want to reset

[keen jasper]

Mix and match your own parameters

[verbal karma]

This one uses Hop, who I have saved for R5

[rotund lagoon]

Well do you have Sonia???

[keen jasper]

Most of the time, I go for full HP parameters

[verbal karma]

I do

[sonic blaze]

might take longer figuring out how to deal with a hard r4 then doing a reset, that's y i said it.. happened to me before.

[rotund lagoon]

Use her for this round.

[verbal karma]

Even if I were to reset, I would still end up with R4 Drasna anyway

[frosty axle]

Drasna is poison stallable just takes time to do

[old orchid]

Whats your team for R5? Sonia is valuable there

[verbal karma]

So wait, since I can't check the video atm (aside from thumbnail), what's the team?

[frosty axle]

cause on lessen poison on drasna its annoying

[verbal karma]

R5 has Hop/SS Elesa/Gloria

[rotund lagoon]

Sonia, Sycamore and Mina is what I propose. Is your Sonia 3/5?

[old orchid]

Hum no reliable paralysis inflictor

[sonic blaze]

interesting lol, i usually go with full enemy str/atk up to defeat before sync xD only stall when i have to offtype, and can't flinch or do something with the sides.

[old orchid]

Swap Hop with Sonia

[verbal karma]

I am using R4 parameter

[rotund lagoon]

Oh Sonia for last round.

Trintronity, listen to us for a second.

[prime warren]

After several hours lol

[old orchid]

Well SS Elesa proccing paralysis is really low even with R4 parameter

[prime warren]

He finally works as solo dps

[latent eagle]

Drasna is a monster in MM dear God help

[prime warren]

Just needed to get +5 spl def to tank

[rotund lagoon]

@verbal karma Diantha needs status condition for R5. Use Sonia in R5 and Hop for Drasna.

[sonic blaze]

i struggled with siebold the most as well... f'in healin starmie xd.

[keen jasper]

Me who used Burgh

[prime warren]

I had to use my brain after long time

Had to turn skip both sides

While maintaining gauge in that shit ass slow team

And reset so that waterfall doesn't flinch or starmie doesn't hydro pump spam

[sonic blaze]

i was trying to make a stall/debuff team work, but that healing starmie's hp would go down too slow by my 1/5 alder

[prime warren]

meanwhile my offtype cblue team sweeping it in first attempt

[sonic blaze]

had to go full str enemy and cheese the hell out of the middle while flinching the sides with skyla tornadus

xd

[tribal agate]

don't mind me just bringing poma & parameters a bit up

[swift swan]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=024400088901&s0=5&l0=140&r0=5&p0=20&a0=21010101&t0=11111&g0=AAECAwQFBggLDRAaHB8iJCYpKw&v1=013600071600&s1=5&l1=140&r1=5&p1=20&a1=21010101&t1=11111&g1=AAECAwQFGhwfICEjJCYpLi8&v2=003400021000&s2=5&l2=140&r2=5&p2=0&a2=13010602&t2=11111&g2=AAECAwQFFRgZIyUpKistLi8
my whole team specs

[keen jasper]

You know, the first time I did MM, I didn't follow the parameters here (mainly because I haven't been here when I first did Sinnoh MM)

I did 7.9k pts. on my very first MM

[prime warren]

Okay now to reset till diantha clears drasna

Coz I know she's gonna be worse than my ontype escavalier

[verbal karma]

Okay okay, I understood already

[frosty axle]

round 4 Drasna left to do then champion

[swift swan]

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/team?v0=024400088901&s0=5&l0=140&r0=5&p0=20&a0=21010101&t0=11111&g0=AAECAwQFBggLDRAaHB8iJCYpKw&v1=013600071600&s1=5&l1=140&r1=6&p1=0&a1=21010101&t1=44444&g1=AAECAwQFGhwfICEjJCYpLi8&v2=003400021000&s2=5&l2=140&r2=5&p2=0&a2=13010602&t2=11111&g2=AAECAwQFFRgZIyUpKistLi8 slight correction

[keen jasper]

You saved Solgaleo?

[frosty axle]

Yes

[latent eagle]

Is it f2p bc booooooy I’m struggling w/ what I have

[frosty axle]

heavy usage on trainer lodge pairs but can't help it

[frosty axle]

of course

Drasna is a question of what to do now

[latent eagle]

Hopefully I can beat drasna w/ your eventual f2p bc uhhhh my team isn’t working when it probably should? This is why I follow videos

[keen jasper]

How to deal with the flinch hax?

[old orchid]

Unflappable

[swift swan]

https://youtu.be/Win2_EhcirI you can give this a try

[swift swan]

pray

[sonic blaze]

flinch her more than she flinches you while cheesing the hell out of the middle lol

[frosty axle]

I used Mismagius already unfortunately 😕

[sonic blaze]

and try to time it so she doesn't sync, but u can take care of dragonite asap

[sonic blaze]

small box without much flinch units?

tbh when she flinches you like crazy that's the best solution (imo), timely flinches and rng ...

[frosty axle]

well there is Palossand but it will die easily

[keen jasper]

You mean Morty?

[frosty axle]

could go rain Winona supporting Barry Empoleon

[prime warren]

Hmmm 1/5 Diantha stronger than I expected
Maybe I shouldn't have wasted redlax

damnit if only I had sswally

[sonic blaze]

if that's all u got i'd still try it.. if you manage to actively flinch middle and dragonite before they use a move (stall turns so enemy doesn't sync as quickly), while actively managing to do good damage with other units.. u could have a chance.

something like glass canon while rekking middle and dragonite asap lol.

[prime warren]

Syncing with diantha Defo feels better than EX sync first too

Coz I failed my EX support run with her

[sonic blaze]

if not sleep is just as good, or while more RNG based on it to actually stop the opponents... para/confusion could work

[frosty axle]

got close poison stalling Drasna, no potion refreshes so could have done it same with evasion buffs

surprisingly it works well against her

[sonic blaze]

that's good :), sounds like with more rng you'll be able to do it ?

[frosty axle]

yes

[austere quest]

First Kalos 10k, wasn’t that hard honestly

[frosty axle]

not like I need much luck to do it as it kills itself quickly in the end, just have to hope for less dragon rush

[austere quest]

The Maiva was killed Pre Sync and so was Diantha

B Hydro Pump Overkill

[summer flare]

I'm looking at the teams and I'm growing afraid of master mode

Is it that hard?