Champion Stadium

[fringe valve]

SS Red still taking names

[spring fable]

Phew I spent too much time here istg

[civic trellis]

SSRC and Anni Lillie are an amazing duo

Support sync + ghost zone = 10k+ on moongeist beam

[spring fable]

Fk impervious will i swear to arceus

[civic trellis]

Also shadow force, didnt even have to use shadow ball

[fringe valve]

You should see ss Korrina and ssrc lol

[civic trellis]

Dont have korrina

[fringe valve]

2 guage spectral thiefs one shotting the mid like nothing

[spring fable]

Is there any r3 that I should try to avoid?

[civic trellis]

I used skyla so no need to worry about gauges

[civic trellis]

Personally I did it clockwise from will

Cause I could lower will’s dmg, nuke w ghetsis, and have zone w lissi and wally

Tho u may want to avoid karen

I did karen and she knocked out SSB

[fringe valve]

Nah you should be fine with any

[spring fable]

For r3 should I use post sync param instead?

I’m struggling

[toxic cobalt]

Yes

[spring fable]

I’ll try

[latent eagle]

How are these for this weeks MM? Might change skyla to SSA Cynthia bc girl takes like NO damage what so ever (order is not final it’s just how I have my preset teams set up)

[toxic cobalt]

Pick a ghost striker

Complicated to balance that gauge

You also have two strikes in champion 4

And 2 maybe depending on how those interact

[latent eagle]

Fantina is my ghost striker????? (I’m assuming ur talking about champion 1)

[latent eagle]

Those are my best bug units I have so— I COULD probably move one of the pika’s there if need be

[spring fable]

I can’t do r3

[fringe valve]

Do you have cyrus and palkia?

You could try off typing it with him

[latent eagle]

Yeah I have cyrus EX

[fringe valve]

A classic cyrus team is winona skyla cyrus. Fully f2p

You may be able to do it if you give him a good grid that allows him to max his crit

[latent eagle]

What would that this be?

I can't try MM atm tho as I realized that my iPad is close to dying and it needs to charge and I refuse to try MM on my phone

[fringe valve]

If your spacial rend crits (high crit ratio) then your crit his maxed

[latent eagle]

Could you send a pic of the actual grid instead of this?

[polar dome]

I like r3 with more weather-reliant pairs like candice

I read wrong nvm, who do you have left

[latent eagle]

Cool I'll try this grid once my iPad is charged, what order should I do MM?

[deft bluff]

Depends upon your roster

[spring fable]

this is the closest i got

team is ss kris, ss hilbert and burgh

[deft bluff]

Stages for which you dont have nukers/top strikers

[spring fable]

r3 2k post sync

[deft bluff]

Dont do hilbert R3

Hilbert needs that sp def debuff and bug rebuff

To reach optimal damage

[latent eagle]

^^^^ although it looks like I'm off typing bug w/ cyrus? Not sure if I should keep one of the bug units or complely change Champion 4

[spring fable]

im just using him as techno blast dps

he's 1/5 anyway

[deft bluff]

Lusanine will be fine as single striker, but you need a sp atk buffer

[deft bluff]

Still, his innate sync also considers the sp def debuff

Sp def debuff + SE up + bug type rebuff = mid clear

[sand karma]

Yes but if you set him up properly on a different round he'll take out Karen in 2-3 techno blasts pre sync

[spring fable]

so go bruno r3?

[deft bluff]

Which striker you intend to use?

[spring fable]

for r3?

[deft bluff]

For bruno

[spring fable]

1/5 ny lisia

[latent eagle]

Would Rosa work?

[deft bluff]

Uh, I think so

Because she also gives gauge

[void wyvern]

Rosa Lusamine doesn’t have gauge issues

[latent eagle]

So what order should I do MM?

[void wyvern]

Roxanne is a better choice if you’re looking for just the buffs.

[deft bluff]

What striker you have for will?

[magic crown]

I gave my Palentines Serena Supreme Entry for a funny experiment

[spring fable]

i did will r1, koga r2

left with karen and bruno

[void wyvern]

Bruno will be easier to post sync, use Ny lissia, Mina, and Skyla. Debuff Bruno’s attack and he won’t do anything.

He has absolutely no resistance to attack debuffs.

[magic crown]

Kirby do you have any good fairy strikers

[spring fable]

doubt

just mina and ny lisia

[formal vigil]

Ny lisia is the best fairy type dps wise

[void wyvern]

Even at 1/5 she clears just fine

[magic crown]

2nd fairy best dps is mega Gardevoir

[dark osprey]

hmmm. maybe NY Lisia just kills before early sync even at 1/5 ? with 2 EX support buffed giga impacts?

[sand karma]

I would've done Koga r3 with Skyla, Candice, Ghetsis if i didn't need skyla for the cursed Solgaleo steel team

[toxic cobalt]

Don’t have fantina and Giovanni

[deft bluff]

Karen Round 1

Change fantina for a sp atk+crit buffer, so that you can attack with Giovanni from turn 1. Will Round 2

Koga Round 3

Change your fairy team to a more balanced team and give it crit. Sycamore can help with MGA. Bruno Round 4

(Lemme just check SS Morty's kit, if something nice will be there I might update the order)

[latent eagle]

Fantina has sp atk and crit buff tho--

[void wyvern]

Giovanni can’t buff himself so he’s just added weight on that team.

[deft bluff]

She wont hit as hard as giovanni

[spring fable]

still cant 😦

bruno r3

[void wyvern]

What’s your team?

[deft bluff]

Your fairy team wont give permanent crit to xerneas, and it will very gauge exhausting. You need to look for cheaper options.

[spring fable]

hilvert, ny lisia and skyla

hilbet and skyla are exed

ny lisia is 1/5

[void wyvern]

swap Hilbert for mina. Spam charm.

[latent eagle]

I don't have many fairy types so-- idk

[spring fable]

what should the first 5 move order be?

[deft bluff]

Hmm, you just need Sycamore, crit buffer and any other pair, maybe Mina. She can debuff atk

[void wyvern]

Tm, tm, Charm, Tm, dire hit, charm

[trail smelt]

Easy week

And I finally have a fairy team I don’t hate lol

Ready to nuke everything next week lol

[void wyvern]

You have mina. She’s a super reliable answer to fairy Bruno.

[dark osprey]

with sycamore EX, can do a double striker run too

[latent eagle]

If im replacing fantina who's a crit buff + sp atk? Cause I can't think of a unit that has both, but that's probably bc this game has so many units

[deft bluff]

Sabrina

[void wyvern]

Sabrina, Glacia (kinda), gio Persian.

[deft bluff]

Gridded Cheryl

[fringe valve]

Depends on your box, managed to clear bug weak karen under round 1 with the team I sent you at round 1 which is probably the worst round you could use this team. 2k MM.

[dark osprey]

with a sharp entry fantina, fantina, Giovani & Rosa EX is kinda nice i guess

[latent eagle]

Sabrina is probably the best bet tbh as long as I don't need her reflect

[deft bluff]

Cheryl or Lisa has team sharp entry 1, and can buff sp atk. As for the remaining crit, giovanni can use his TM once.

[fringe valve]

Just need to make sure your rain isn't up when sharpeedo surfs

[deft bluff]

Even her reflect can buff speed if she is 3/5 and gridded

[latent eagle]

I'm horrendous at timing so-- if I don't have to use her reflect I won't

[trail smelt]

What timing?

[spring fable]

hmm

still nope

lemme try gridding mina

[latent eagle]

New team's unless im forgetting something

[deft bluff]

No problem

[deft bluff]

Add crit buffer for sycamore

[dark osprey]

Can try the support ex buff NY Lisia only as well. Save the physical move up next Giga Impact till after the first support EX sync

[deft bluff]

Wait. Do you have gridded Cheryl?

[dark osprey]

Or Roxanne

[spring fable]

oo okie brb

[latent eagle]

Girly is still 3* and lvl 100

[dark osprey]

No guarantees. Just hope for RNG to give you 3 PMUNs maybe

[deft bluff]

Just check if you have any other sp atk + crit buffer

Because Lusanine team can have problem

Just saw that the support wont buff crit for her.

[latent eagle]

New sycamore team

[latent eagle]

Would Sawyer work?

[dark osprey]

Surgechu is the perfect fit for that team if you have him

Lyra would work too

[spring fable]

hmm still nope with 3 PMUNs

[deft bluff]

Nope. He buffs to less sp atk

[spring fable]

and mina only did 2k nuke with -6 atk on bruno

^after supp ex sync

[latent eagle]

For sycamore team?

[dark osprey]

Yes

[deft bluff]

Oh man, how did I forget about him. Thanks bro!

Btw, how are you?

[dark osprey]

Not bad Ved. Guess you've been slightly away for a while

[deft bluff]

Yea, had to leave game for half year, then came back.

[spring fable]

brb imma try frogs instead

[deft bluff]

But I am back on track.

[latent eagle]

Cobalion? I already have rosa so im just trying to find someone who crit buffs everyone

[deft bluff]

Yes, he can do it as well

[latent eagle]

Okay so new team's I think? What's the order I should do again?

[deft bluff]

R1 = bug weak
R2 = fairy weak
R3 = ice weak
R4 = ghost weak

[spring fable]

ok frogs did it

time for r4 karen

[deft bluff]

Since Mina's full potential will be unlocked at r2, stat debuff will have more effect

[spring fable]

okie karen done

damn solgaleo op

10k done!

[toxic cobalt]

People really underestimate MC Sol

[spring fable]

my team had no support ex, his 1st sync took 1/3

then after 2 sync buffs he one shotted a side with sunsteel strike

and he was only +4atk/+2crit

[fringe valve]

MC sol the only legend I traded its 5 star power ups for regular power ups

[dark osprey]

need to try power reserves solgaleo on steel weak bertha once she's back

[toxic cobalt]

Good luck

[dark osprey]

i think i failed initially then just went for luck with Wikstrom flinches

[toxic cobalt]

Lol, he was the only way I cleared Bertah f2p

[dark osprey]

wikstrom or Sol?

[toxic cobalt]

Wilk

I was shouting at Sol, You're supposed to be specialised for post-sync

[dark osprey]

ah with Hop

yeah Wik is nice for post too

problem with PR Sol for F2P would be not many good options for drawing aggro

[toxic cobalt]

Yeah it was a Hop team

[dark osprey]

like acerola or maybe Marlon or something

at least Sol has endurance on grid

[keen jasper]

I let Koga and Will sync because of damned mismanagement, but I still survived their sync either way

[spring fable]

do we have steel zone yet

[keen jasper]

Pal Marnie

[spring fable]

ah

[verbal karma]

Can't do this week's CSMM due to LG right now, but at least I do have a plan that is in need of feedback

R1 - Bruno
R2 - Karen
R3 - Will
R4 - Koga

Good or Bad?

[latent eagle]

I can’t beat Bruno

[magic crown]

Use Valerie

[toxic cobalt]

With who

[latent eagle]

Originally had surge raichu but I wanted to try lyra

[dark osprey]

mina, surgechu & EX sycamore is really reliable

suregchu gives some defense buffs as well while lyra is slow with the attack buffs as well

[latent eagle]

I can kill the middle occasionally but then the sides kills me

[toxic cobalt]

Are you not debuffing the sides?

[latent eagle]

I try to the best I can

[toxic cobalt]

Surgechu seems simpler I agree with ARK

Lyra is all fiddly

[latent eagle]

I'll go back to surgechu still doesn't fix the fact I can't beat Bruno tho

[toxic cobalt]

Shift to post-sync paarams

Since it's a debuff team that'll work fine

And no stress over quadqueing with Sycamore

Wait unless you run Adrenaline Sycamore?

[latent eagle]

Nope

[dark osprey]

if u r able to kill the centre, then its just a matter of planning ur moves to deny the sides and some decent rng I guess

maybe no RNG as well. can tank with Surgechu if using him so that Sycamore is free to moonblast

[toxic cobalt]

Yeah just go post-sync, lots of time to debuff and then use her three bar

[swift swan]

I had a friend over so I haven't started my CS run

Time to suffer now

More like, time to breeze through the other 3 E4 members but die at Koga's hands. Thanks, R3 gimmick

[dark osprey]

let koga kill himself

i mean with his TM post sync

[toxic cobalt]

Why didn't you show your friend yoru CS run?

[latent eagle]

Rock slide and earthquake keeps killing me when I beat the middle and having surge be the 1 being attacked makes him die almost immediately

FREAKING FINALLY BEAT BRUNO

[spring fable]

I did Will, Koga, Bruno then Karen

[swift swan]

...Koga's sync killed Glacia. With full postsync params.

Round 3 btw

I have never ironically laughed so hard in my life

Time to throw away my Glacia plan

[spring fable]

So what challenge are you attempting Nov

[swift swan]

Alphabet teams

Team 1: Alder, (SS) Brendan, (Champion) Calem
Team 2: Dawn, (SS) Ethan, Falkner
Team 3 is where everything goes down to shambles because I only own 1 I unit, being Iris

So I tried Glacia tank, SS Hilbert DPS (to complete the G, H, I pattern)

Uhh yeah that didn't work out in r3

Wow, Ghetsis sure has a hobby of missing his crits. 3 in a row?

[spring fable]

oo

[sand karma]

Tried to go Koga r3 and got clapped
Ended up doing SSWally (sweetest sweeper) r3 and wasted that sweet forever field

[spring fable]

dark weak will next week has the spdef entry

wait sentry entry x4 too

[swift swan]

Just sentry entry 4

Positive buffs

Easily ignored by crit

Hnggg Koga still claps me

[sand karma]

Karen time

[spring fable]

so use physical strikers?

[sand karma]

Oh yeah it's high sp def with sentry entry

No Karen time

[spring fable]

froggy brutal swing time

crits ignore sentry entry?

[sand karma]

Johto has the one where it raises defense by 4 ranks

So it gets ignored

The sentry entry in Sinnoh , Hoenn is straight up double base defense which can't be ignored

[swift swan]

The difference lies whether it has "x" or not

Sentry Entry 2 (raises defense by 2 stat ranks on entry) vs Sentry Entry x2 (doubles the defense stat)

Anyway, damn Koga's got hands

[manic mica]

thoughts

[toxic cobalt]

Seems fine

[swift swan]

Yknow what

I'm throwing this challenge run under the rug

R3 is a menace

[spring fable]

[swift swan]

Don't do Koga r3

That evasion screws me more than I would like to admit

[spring fable]

dont do r3 karen too

[undone ether]

My order is...

Yeet

R3 bruno is problematic haaah

[swift swan]

R3 is just problematic in general

[undone ether]

And for Koga lul

Cerena for the save

I also didn't run crit support in VS Lance

Just lucked out with flinches

[swift swan]

#1011173305702690876 message welp, finished CS but failed the alphabet challenge

[spring fable]

Teams for next week!

I just copied them from my previous weeks

For the most part

[old orchid]

Skill issue

[latent eagle]

I can't beat will I can kill the middle but then I die soon after

[old orchid]

What team you are using?

[latent eagle]

Sabrina/BP morty/giovonni

[old orchid]

Why does that team not work?

What params did you choose?

[latent eagle]

Post sync

[solemn pine]

[latent eagle]

I can kill the middle but the sides take me out and at that point only mewtwo is left

[old orchid]

Does Giovanni have Endurance?

[latent eagle]

Yup

[spring fable]

curious question, 1.5k or 2k?

[old orchid]

Yeah im curious too

That team should tank the sync well

Perhaps you should record your play

[latent eagle]

2k

[latent eagle]

I don't have nitro

[spring fable]

you can post it on youtube then send the vid link here!

[latent eagle]

I haven't uploaded a YT vid in year's I rather not + itd probably take forever to upload

[keen jasper]

Or private the video in YT and upload the link here

[latent eagle]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMYRLS5HY/

Mewtwo died in this 1 which normally doesn't happen, I've also. Tried syncing w/ morty in different runs

[toxic cobalt]

Why are you delaying your first sync?

[latent eagle]

It was a mistake, happens sometimes

Not like it changes much tho

[toxic cobalt]

Changes the whole game

[latent eagle]

I've been dying when I havent been delaying my sync by accident, it doesn't change anything

[toxic cobalt]

It's one of the most impactful change syou can make in a battle

[latent eagle]

I've been dying even when I don't accidentally delay my sync as well having a delayed sync isn't the problem here

Also tf u mean by delayed? I clicked it when it became available.....how is that delayed?????????

[toxic cobalt]

It's delayed by an entire turn cycle

You're doing 11 moves before sync instead of 9

[latent eagle]

I'm clicking it when it's available! How is doing more moves delaying it when it should be making it faster that's how it works, use moves until sync is available

Honestly I'll probably just record the run again bc it was an odd run to begin w/ mewtwo has never died like that b4

[hot shadow]

The usual order is:
3 moves - opponent - 3 moves - opponent - 3 moves - opponent - sync - two moves.

You, from what I hear, go:
3 moves - opponent - 3 moves - opponent - 3 moves - opponent - 2 moves - sync.

You need to wait until your last pair finishes their move, queue sync, start queueing moves afterwards.

[toxic cobalt]

You should also target astonish at the unit that is about to move

[latent eagle]

That literally slows me down bc I don't remember attack order and it messes me up bc I have to switch so much

[hot shadow]

Lower the battle speed then

[latent eagle]

I don't remember attack order slowing the battle won't help with that

[hot shadow]

It goes center -> right -> center -> left -> center and so on

[spring fable]

personal opinion after watching the run: just ex sabrina
but yea queue properly pls

[latent eagle]

I said that was a bad run my god

[spring fable]

any run i dont win is a bad run for me

[latent eagle]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMYRNNfnR/

Here’s how the battle usually goes

[verbal karma]

I assume no problems with this?

[toxic cobalt]

Why stop queueing with Sabrina completely?

[spring fable]

depends on roster

[latent eagle]

Trying to save the gauge for shadow ball

[spring fable]

personally when i use sabrina with giovanni, i use tm>tm>dire hit all>dire hit all, idk if going dire hit all first affects dps

[toxic cobalt]

You need to slow down, not delay the first sync, and ensure consistent queuing.

[spring fable]

that slowed down your 2nd sync cooldown

[toxic cobalt]

Use Giovanni's tm for crit so you save dire hit + for queues later

[sharp jasper]

Is trap a status condition?

I want to make sure if I want to pick Status guard

[hot shadow]

It's a status change

[sharp jasper]

Is it subject to no status condition?

[hot shadow]

CS parameter that you pick?

[sharp jasper]

Yeah

[hot shadow]

You can still apply status changes if you pick it

[sharp jasper]

Oh alright thank you

[latent eagle]

Slowing it down and using gio's TM still isn't doing it im still dying

[toxic cobalt]

They're necessary steps. There might be other things going on but without the basics very few teams will work.

[latent eagle]

I'm doing them and im still dying so--

[verbal karma]

R1 Bruno: BP Clemont/Mina/Sycamore
R2 Karen: Aaron/Alder/Viola
R3 Will: Giovanni/Renegade Cynthia/BP Morty
R4 Koga: Hala/Candice/Glacia

[old orchid]

Giovanni doesnt have spatk buff in that team

either replacing Morty with spatk support

or

replacing Giovanni with other Ghost type dmg dealer

[verbal karma]

I'd rather do the latter...the question is: which Ghost type dmg dealer would benefit the most from R3's gimmick? Which Ghost type dmg dealer wants to sync as fast as possible?

[old orchid]

you dont have Anni Lillie right?

[verbal karma]

Nope

[toxic cobalt]

Very few units benefit from half-sync

You're looking to survive it

[verbal karma]

I have 43840 gems, but I'd rather wait until the datamine...

[keen jasper]

February will be Kalos VA part 2 anyways

[old orchid]

dont forget the Palentine

well back to the original discussion

[verbal karma]

Not interested in Kalos VA anyway

[old orchid]

i think Giovanni should be replaced with Helena

[verbal karma]

I see

[old orchid]

remember to
grid Sharp Entry
ensure Will is paralyzed before Helena sync

ideally you should fish for Morty's TM MPR

[verbal karma]

Will have to do grid changes after LG

For now, I can do R1 Bruno

[old orchid]

should do Will or Koga in R1, but its not too important anw

[spring fable]

I did will!

[swift swan]

I'll humbly take the L well deserved after giving Johto CS full L's last week

[verbal karma]

...my R1 Bruno team isn't working 😦

They don't die fast enough and Sycamore is bad at tanking

[tribal agate]

huh?

have you tried replacing Sycamore by Hop so Mina ramps up faster

[swift swan]

Does bp clemont give crit at all

[tribal agate]

no

def/spdef buffs & def down

[swift swan]

Oh yeah I remember Mina can buff crit herself

If properly gridded

[tribal agate]

yeah but it's slow and not worth imo

[old orchid]

TM Critical Eye 1

Hop Sycamore Mina should work

[swift swan]

Well, we need to see their Mina grid. Could be the reason they're failing

[swift swan]

This

[tribal agate]

i'd just do Hop Mina & BP Clemont and leave Syca for another team since he serves 0 purpose here

[old orchid]

Or even BP Surge instead of Hop

[old orchid]

Well in that team he is EX support and has good dps

[tribal agate]

Mina should shit on Bruno regardless of EX tbh

[swift swan]

Mina should be enough to nuke, given the right params

[tribal agate]

sync one side first to deny turn and then second sync is for middle

[swift swan]

Sycamore can be saved for another team

[old orchid]

Just look at their teams again and yeah Sycamore should be saved for Giovanni team

[verbal karma]

She has Critical Eye, yes

She got that because of LG

[old orchid]

Replace Sycamore with Hop

And replace BP Clemont with Nanu

[swift swan]

Let Hop buff mina's offenses. Mina focuses on using Charm

[old orchid]

Nanu doesnt need grid

And has good gauge

[swift swan]

Both nanu and bp clemont debuff defense by -2, yeah

Dunno how good bp clemont is with gauge tho

I haven't used him as much as I should be

[old orchid]

He has Charging Infliction 2

Dont remember the name much

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[tribal agate]

still is broken with threads

[swift swan]

Ha

[old orchid]

It worked a few days ago, however

[verbal karma]

Hmm...I am losing out on an EX support on the R1 Bruno team...damn...

[tribal agate]

you don't need an EX support

do you need me to make a video of how that works

[old orchid]

And the team can take sync very well

Defense buffs + attack debuffs

[swift swan]

It's johto. You can get away very minimally

[old orchid]

like NY Lisia solo

[tribal agate]

when not using a sync support

you gotta learn to deny turn

usually it's always left side that will play before your sync

so you focus your debuffs on them, then when your sync cd is up, you use 1 more move then the sync so the left side has the time to queue

then you put all debuffs on mid, one or two play rough even perhaps and nuke it. Since you denied turn you'll have your second sync before the enemy's
worse comes to worse, they don't die from the sync, i did STR +9 and they barely took half health

[swift swan]

Is this a challenge

Jkjk I am not soloing CS

Watch as I become a CS solo enthusiast a few months later

[nocturne pawn]

whats an easier brute force deoxys or reshiram

[swift swan]

Deoxys imo

[swift swan]

Ew strength 9

[old orchid]

Strength 8 is my limit

I usually dont take strength 2

[swift swan]

Strength 6 truther

[tribal agate]

please don't tell me you pick ATK/DEF parameters

[swift swan]

I never combine the two, of course

[old orchid]

Def parameters?? Ew

I avoid them like plague

[swift swan]

But i take full atk, both PoH, and to top it off it's usually strength 5. Sometimes 6 or 7 when I need stat reduction or healing, but never 8

[old orchid]

Full atk parameters

[solemn pine]

me who does the post sync parameters most of the times

[swift swan]

It's not as scary as I thought it'd be, I enjoy the adrenaline rush lmao

[lunar meadow]

I do full str params all the time.

Unless the fight modifier is half sync, then I play around with options

[swift swan]

Although, seeing my best tanks get two-shotted by super effective moves is so funny

[old orchid]

They dont get one-shotted, you should be happy

Most of the time i aim for pre sync

[swift swan]

Oh I get one-shotted plenty

[toxic cobalt]

Legit the best way to play

[swift swan]

Like when Sidney decides to open with seed bomb and oneshots SS Kris

[swift swan]

See! Aurochs knows what I'm talking about

[swift swan]

I always aim for presync. Getting synced feels humiliating

I hate half sync cd with a passion

[old orchid]

Despite aiming for pre sync i dont take full atk params

I want to sync with ex supports first then watch the dmg dealer destroy them

[solemn pine]

[swift swan]

I also sync with ex supports first

Sometimes my damage dealer's DPS is good enough to kill mid before they can nuke, though

[old orchid]

SS Hilbert did 40k after ex support today

When the bug got hand

[verbal karma]

That team doesn't work either 😦

Hop can't tank well enough

[old orchid]

I have nothing to say

Have you tried several times?

And take the advice from us above

Especially what Dreamy said

[verbal karma]

I did try multiple times
The closest I got was removing his sides

[old orchid]

Read Dreamy's advice

[verbal karma]

I picked Max HP ^2, not Atk ^1 or Def ^1

as the replacement for "No Stat Reduction", I mean

[keen jasper]

That's pretty good for -5 speed

[verbal karma]

@old orchid That's what you're refering to, right?

[keen jasper]

DEF parameters are a big no-no unless you really don't have a choice

[verbal karma]

I never picked them

I picked Max HP ^2

[keen jasper]

Which E4 are you doing right now and what round?

[verbal karma]

Problem is that even with the sides removed, Bruno gets enough sync buffs that even with debuffed Atk, he hits like a truck

[verbal karma]

R1 Bruno

[keen jasper]

Why aren't you taking advantage of the Light Screen?

Do R1 Will instead

[verbal karma]

I am heavily considering it at this point tbh...

[keen jasper]

Bruno doesn't even do special attacks

[spring fable]

thats right

[tribal agate]

This

read from there

[keen jasper]

And also go to PoMa Tools and know what the moves of the enemies are so that you know which round you want to do them

[verbal karma]

No wait, I forgot: I wanted to save Will for after LG...but I can't continue LG until the problem with my Regirock team is solved...but I can't solve it if I don't have enough to feed SS Hilda with...

Which is why I went to CSMM

[deft bluff]

What?

[keen jasper]

[deft bluff]

You want to ex victini, to clear regi, to clear will?

[spring fable]

how is cs related to lg

🤔

[deft bluff]

The rewards

Amazing strat

[spring fable]

oo

[verbal karma]

Nonono

[keen jasper]

I'm confused about this statement

[deft bluff]

Everyone here is in same situation

[verbal karma]

I wanted to finally get my 10 win streak, but I am stuck at Battle 7, but SS Hilda can't do enough damage, so I wanna feed her to make her stronger, but I don't have enough of those, so I wanted to do CSMM, but one of the E4 battles requires a grid change on a DIFFERENT character that I am using for LG, and I can't do that grid change until my run of LG is done

[toxic cobalt]

Why not build a second grid?

[keen jasper]

Why not use another preset?

[deft bluff]

Why dont just create a second preset?

[verbal karma]

Because I will then forget to switch back to the LG preset and then wonder why the character doesn't work anymore

[spring fable]

👀

[deft bluff]

Then name the grids

[toxic cobalt]

Just, switch back after you win CS

[solemn pine]

[spring fable]

thats literally skill issue

[deft bluff]

And make a habit to check the grids and units everytime before battle

[hot shadow]

How many more reasons to complain will you make up?)

[old orchid]

Why do you have to make things more complicated

[keen jasper]

Why not just waste a few seconds seeing which preset is for what?

[deft bluff]

That problem is legit, even I forget some times, but the habit of double checking helps

[keen jasper]

Better than wasting all your effort in battle realizing that you have the wrong build this whole time

[solemn pine]

[toxic cobalt]

Classic me tbf

[keen jasper]

[spring fable]

its just a part of tactic checking

check dd = not first target
check grid = correct grid

[sharp jasper]

Sycamore is the GOAT (2k)

[toxic cobalt]

What about, power through and only realise later?

[sharp jasper]

The best supporting is killing everyone

[spring fable]

i wish to be like that in my late game

team so op dd casually absorbing dmg

[toxic cobalt]

lol I have video examples

[spring fable]

my skyla earlier was using bv grid haha

[keen jasper]

So, what do you think the CS is going to be on February?

[old orchid]

Kalos probably

[keen jasper]

You think Malva and Drasna will be added by then?

[sharp jasper]

Who should I EX for long term Champion Stadium benefit?

[old orchid]

Yes

[keen jasper]

All supports are

[lunar meadow]

We got sinnoh surprise finished with all 3 missing units just for the CS

[crimson jewel]

Sonia and red

[old orchid]

Show their move level pls

[keen jasper]

Hmmmm, I guess it wouldn't be a surprise if Kalos VA part 2 has Kalos CS along with Malva and Drasna

[old orchid]

Sabrina, Hilbert, SS Elesa, Sonia (when she is 3/5)

[lunar meadow]

Snorlax and Yamper are the best overall. Samurott, Vespiquen, and Rotom also amazing for EX.

Then Swellow, A-Marowak

Araquanid and Glalie lowest priority. Also worth EXing because support.

My controversial take is that Alakazam is not a good EX. I prefer it before mega evolution for a 2 bar move to spam for move gauge rather than being forced into a 3 bar move.

Do not EX Stoutland.

[old orchid]

Dawn, Aaron (should wait for 3/5), Falkner, Glacia and Eevee (should wait for 3/5) are lower priority

[sharp jasper]

I guess Yamper is better investment? Snorlax i have to wait for pokefair scout while Sonia is general scout

[toxic cobalt]

Support EX buff works at any move level

[crimson jewel]

If u have a candy u could ex red

[lunar meadow]

Rotom, Vespiquen, and Swellow definitely want dupes before EXing

[sharp jasper]

Is Shiny Ho-oh 3/5 worthy?

I am saving for him

I have him at 2/5

[toxic cobalt]

Yes it's a support

[lunar meadow]

Ya, but move level determines how universally useful and how often you will use the unit and be likely to benefit from the buff

[toxic cobalt]

No, use does. Which isn't directly a function of move level.

[lunar meadow]

Mo-Oh is one of the best supports in the game. Definitely good to EX even at 1/5

[dark osprey]

SS Elesa is great at 1/5 itself right? and Aaron gets the TM MPR at 2/5. Falkner kinda needs EX just for the bulk i think

[spring fable]

whats aaron get at 3/5?

[keen jasper]

Staggering for Attack Order

[lunar meadow]

Falkner is basically a suicide support. He will max team buffs then try to flinch or hide.

He wants the MPR to make sure he can fully buff

[spring fable]

i'll be honest, i have nvr used him for attack

[waxen surge]

duo typings completes both types of the pieces in cs?

[toxic cobalt]

No

Just sync type

[dark osprey]

yeah. aaron at 2/5 itself is great

[waxen surge]

Ahh k ty

[manic kiln]

for solo LG mostly

[dark osprey]

Falkner I guess 3/5 maybe for the synchro healing & flinch that really help

[keen jasper]

Is there a passive name that reduces sync CD after the unit's 2-turn move?

[toxic cobalt]

Whatever N Kyurem has

[lunar meadow]

In Pokemon masters, there is no such thing as dual typing. Every Pokemon is a single "type", as denoted by it's sync move.

Eevee and Xerneas have non-damaging syncs, but their sync move still has a typing.

Look at Drednaw or Hatterene, and you might think it's a triple type unit. But attacks are irrelevant to the type of the unit. Otherwise Togepi would have no type, since it does damage through a status move (metronome).

[keen jasper]

Hmmmm, so only SS N has that unique passive

[lunar meadow]

So far, yes

[keen jasper]

Just like SS Steven's Expanded Sync

[crimson jewel]

No wonder

[lunar meadow]

The complaint that 2 turn moves screw up sync timing had been around for years, so we might see grid expansions or new units more often having that passive.

Obstagoon and Braviary both suffer a lot from sync timing with their respective moves.

[keen jasper]

And Shauna's can only happen once

[nocturne pawn]

nate also has the issue of being reliant on a 2 turn move as their main dps

his nuke is like

fine

[lunar meadow]

Ya, but if he had a passive to at least help that two turn move count for sync timing better, he'd be improved somewhat

[toxic cobalt]

There is also the traditional solution of pair with SS Elesa and hope for mpr

[nocturne pawn]

hed also need fly mpr and like its just ew

[lunar meadow]

How I used to beat every fight:
Rotom sync cheating
Metagross flinch cheating

[keen jasper]

SS Elesa is kinda like the OG SS May

[waxen surge]

Thx for this! Had no idea it was based on the sync

[nocturne pawn]

why does the game always give me ghetsis and pheromosa on ice weak when i have HLeon

[keen jasper]

[nocturne pawn]

then again its optimize

so fuck if i know

[toxic cobalt]

Team strength plays a big role

[keen jasper]

Optimize in all games suck, and I have only played 2 games with the optimize option

[nocturne pawn]

dragalia lost optimize

that was such a meme and i love it

[lunar meadow]

Girl, don't get me started.

I used to use "Optimize" for challenge runs, and EVERY rock-weak it gave me: Serperior, Cryogonal, Lycanroc-Olivia

Against Karen and Blue, that meant they used flying type teams. And Serperior is weak to flying type, but buffs special attackers.... Meaning Lycanroc-Olivia had to self buff and pray it didn't die to the first enemy sync.

It gave me Cryogonal for ancient power... Dumb game.

I'd hope it gave me better teams these days. Maybe I'll do an optimize later

[nocturne pawn]

idk why it even gives you rosa unless shes somehow your strongest support

[toxic cobalt]

Cos she is an EX

Which means high stats which means high team strength

[keen jasper]

I wonder how many years it would take to make the optimize option create a team with actual synergy

[lunar meadow]

She's not alone 😉

[toxic cobalt]

And she still gets selected?

How high is her SPdef???

[lunar meadow]

But the game I think looks just at base stats and move damage.

Serperior has good base bulk, and giga drain as a 3 bar move is higher base damage than most support moves

She might not be selected these days. It's been over a year since I did an optimize run

[spring fable]

optimize ai:
cs ai:

[lunar meadow]

Optimize doesn't seem to know what to do with zones/weather/terrain

[rotund lagoon]

Hey @nocturne pawn If you were still wondering, Stop Hitting Yourself is a passive that makes the opponents more prone to damage themselves when they have the confusion status.

Sidney has it and it is just

[crimson jewel]

agreed

[rigid flint]

Yeahh optimize is very wack

[rotund lagoon]

It’s by Team Strength more than anything.

[rigid flint]

Mhm

Of which do we know how individual strength is calculated?

[nocturne pawn]

so not great on mallow but sidney uses it effectively?

[rotund lagoon]

Sidney’s kit runs on confusion.

[crimson jewel]

im glad they added suggested teams used by other ppl

better than optimize

[rigid flint]

Mallow runs on her atk debuffs right?

[nocturne pawn]

then all you see is johtrio kantrio and rat x2 +ssa

[rigid flint]

I’ve barely used her so I’m not entirely sure

[rotund lagoon]

Mallow does have a grid build that utilizes the passive tho

[nocturne pawn]

yeah she debuffs attack with trop kick and beats them into the ground with power whip

[crimson jewel]

uh huh

[nocturne pawn]

and teeter dance for better dps on power whip

[rigid flint]

Ah right

[toxic cobalt]

I mean, is it? Both are just here have pikachus

[lunar meadow]

Until they have a toggle to only show units you personally have, it won't be a good feature

[nocturne pawn]

sun nuke is also a viable build

[crimson jewel]

agreed

[rigid flint]

Reminds me of sun Burgh

[zealous karma]

This game is genius

[rotund lagoon]

The suggested team thing sucks

[nocturne pawn]

it does

ive only used it for la because im smol brained and cant do it myself

[rigid flint]

Lmao fair enuf

[toxic cobalt]

It doesn't work for LA does it?

[nocturne pawn]

it does

[toxic cobalt]

Only shows the last team

[nocturne pawn]

it doesnt work for LG

[rigid flint]

Sometimes I overcalculate for la and end up having not enuf pairs for the missions

[toxic cobalt]

What?

[nocturne pawn]

i mean just

[toxic cobalt]

The LG past team is the best implementation of the feature

You can see very unit that went into each level

[nocturne pawn]

ok guess im just dumb

[swift swan]

they just need to fix the move level lol

[frosty axle]

Week 4 videos are available #1059457677002031184 message

[waxen surge]

Recommendation on who to use for completion pieces in cs? was thinking kiawe or sawyer for more move grudge

[nocturne pawn]

kiawe is just useful for quick tempo innate

[sinful garden]

sycamore already takes care of gauge by himself (also why is he not exed) just put some medal fodder

[waxen surge]

Just got the souls the other day, didn’t bother to max him out yet tho

So just put someone boosting sp.atk or raising defenses?

[sinful garden]

sycamore maxes defenses on sync

lillie maxes her sp atk herself

[waxen surge]

Oh alr

[sinful garden]

same goes for crit

[waxen surge]

I’ll just put someone who has potion for health ig

[sinful garden]

yea that could work

literally just about anyone since you cant use debuffers cause will is immune to them

[kindred phoenix]

What are the best options to get 2k master points and the easier ones if that makes sense

Like what are the easiest options to pick and get to 2k points per battle in master mode

[swift swan]

you mean the parameters?

the pins have recommendations

I'd consider that the safest

[versed meteor]

No crit giga impact into +6 defence hop 1k damage

[kindred phoenix]

I think idk how to explain my question 😭

[swift swan]

make sure Hop is at full HP so he can tank it better

[versed meteor]

Nope full hp

I just used a potion then

[swift swan]

try presyncing then

giga impact is a postsync move

[versed meteor]

Csmm no way they dont get to sync

[toxic cobalt]

Normally they don’t

The general strategy is to win first. Makes things easier.

[versed meteor]

There is no way i knock out centre before sync

I only got solgaleo for major damage

[toxic cobalt]

Plenty way. Solgaleo is powerful stuff

[versed meteor]

Ironically hop needs opponents to sync before he can deal damage

[toxic cobalt]

Hop can presync as well

Together with Solgaleo you should have very little trouble

Throw in a speed buffer

[nocturne pawn]

if you have hilbert he removes half the setup for hop and solgaleo

[versed meteor]

I am gonna need video of it cause i use them and nope no way i knock out centre

[kindred phoenix]

Who should I use against lance?

I also have other sync pairs like zacian for steel

But that’s p much it so i might use off type syncs and Steven

[crimson jewel]

can u show ur steel pairs

[toxic cobalt]

I have a duo here https://youtu.be/gRTSPm-Vbp4

The Lance battle

Add a third to pre-sync, preferable with speed and sleep/flinch

[toxic cobalt]

Steven fine, throw in Hop and a speed buffer

[kindred phoenix]

Those are all my steel types

I don’t have hop anymore I already used him

[toxic cobalt]

Throw in BP Surge

And a speed buffer

[crimson jewel]

steven,jasmine and gloria

[kindred phoenix]

Ok

Also what parameters should I use for the team?

I’m using the 2000 pre sync one is that good?

[crimson jewel]

yea

i mean use whts easy for u

[void wyvern]

Start there, yeah.

[main crow]

Augh flying Koga again next week

Non EX Bea should be fine for duo yeah?

[toxic cobalt]

I assume SSA Cynthia will carry

[main crow]

With a bulk like that she sure will

I'm probably better off using Cyn to sync always while Bea handle the DPS

[teal siren]

Can this team 2k Koga?

Round 1

[rotund lagoon]

Change your tactics first of all.

[main crow]

Ghetsis alone as the main damage with the proper composition can

[onyx ice]

Dennis will have an hard time to setup his nuke

[rotund lagoon]

I think just Ghetsis can be the damage dealer since he’s slow af

[onyx ice]

Hala is slower

[rotund lagoon]

Also did you choose Melony because Ice???

[teal siren]

No damage reduction

[rotund lagoon]

Hence why both should not be there

[nocturne pawn]

Hala without ex is questionable imo

[onyx ice]

I mean Dennis has sync freebie so for rush is fine

[rotund lagoon]

Who’s Dennis…?

[nocturne pawn]

ghetsis

[onyx ice]

Ghetsis

[nocturne pawn]

its a joke pronunciation

[toxic cobalt]

I thought it was autocorrect

[main crow]

You're better off bringing someone else

[rotund lagoon]

Guys I’m bad at social cues and sarcasm

[nocturne pawn]

well dennis and ghetsis sound sorta familiar

anyway

[onyx ice]

The Song seems that says Dennis

[nocturne pawn]

yeah

[rotund lagoon]

Ghetsis needs a Speed Support, right? Also a Crit/Sp Atk buffer?

[nocturne pawn]

his battle theme

[nocturne pawn]

yes

because his tm sucks ass for whatever reason

[main crow]

Remove Hala and Melony and bring someone who can boost him faster

[main crow]

Ideally all lol

[rotund lagoon]

So @teal siren Switch out Melony and Hala, get a Speed/Sp Atk/Crit buffer (most likely will need two) and change your tactics

[onyx ice]

He needs speed debuffer

[toxic cobalt]

That’s Hala

[rotund lagoon]

His Glaciate will be fine imo

[onyx ice]

6 turns to max his nuke

[toxic cobalt]

Ghetsis doesn’t need to max his nuke lol

[main crow]

Elesa/Joltik is such nice support for him helps set up his multiplier faster as well a nice crit boost

But it's lodge so not exactly the easiest to get

[rotund lagoon]

Ghetsis is fine if you just set up his basic needs.

[toxic cobalt]

Ghetsis Sycamore is a simple duo but a bit wasteful if your roster is limited

[onyx ice]

Personally i used Pryce, BP Candice and 6ex SC Jasmine

[rotund lagoon]

I’d prefer Ghetsis over Pryce.

Pryce’s individual setup is just as slow tbh

[onyx ice]

SC Jasmine buffs fast

[rotund lagoon]

Okay but not everyone has SC Jasmine.

Think about that.

[toxic cobalt]

I remember Pryce. He existed, and then Candice got a grid.

[onyx ice]

I meant for my setup Pryce was fine

[nocturne pawn]

common pryce L

[rotund lagoon]

I hate the fact that he was my main Ice dealer back in the day. No wonder I struggled.

[onyx ice]

I guess 6ex glacia should be fine too for Pryce

[rotund lagoon]

Support type shouldn’t matter here

And I’m sure there isn’t one that can set up Hail.

[onyx ice]

Pryce isn't the bestest but with proper supports is fine i guess

[teal siren]

??? Kiawe for speed primarina for Sp attk

[toxic cobalt]

Sure why not

[main crow]

That's okay I suppose

[rotund lagoon]

I don’t like Elio’s TM Sure whatever

[onyx ice]

Holiday Bea is a support that can setup hail, but i guess is a physical support

[main crow]

Ghetsis may need to use TM twice to fully get +6 if you need it

[nocturne pawn]

it should be fine

kiawe quick tempo solves gauge at least

[rotund lagoon]

Oh yeah duh, passive.

[main crow]

Wait ramp up

[nocturne pawn]

temporarily

[toxic cobalt]

Elio is always good

[main crow]

I forgot he has that, so once

[rotund lagoon]

I FORGEEET

I ALMOST NEVER USE KIAWE

[onyx ice]

I use Pryce in tandem with BP Candice

Candice can setup hail

[rotund lagoon]

I have H! Leon anyway so I’m fine now.

[onyx ice]

Ice is probably my weakest type

(excluding normal)

[nocturne pawn]

for me its poison

by a long shot

ice has hleon so brrrr

poison is uh

painpeko

[onyx ice]

I have SS Giovanni, so poison isn't a problem

[nocturne pawn]

thats crazy

[keen jasper]

I mean Looker is fine either way?

[teal siren]

I feel like teambuilding isn't this difficult but somehow im just not good at it

[onyx ice]

Plus, stuffs like Allister, Koga, BP Sycamore and even Roxie are pretty good

[keen jasper]

You just need to find the right synergy

[nocturne pawn]

but allister is ghost sync so he doesnt count

[rotund lagoon]

Koga

[onyx ice]

You don't have to sync with allister

[rotund lagoon]

Also Roxie cause she has a grid now lol

[keen jasper]

Lucy

[onyx ice]

Plus Allister has max ooze so you can count it as the sync

[gilded stream]

Choose ur striker form other 2 members (1 support always) with something ur striker lacks… like increases its stats, critic up something like that.

[nocturne pawn]

bea and nessa were pre dynamax right

[onyx ice]

Bea and nessa have no dynamax

[rotund lagoon]

Tldr: build around your damage dealer’s needs.

Think it like that.

[keen jasper]

Unless they can fully buff it themselves

Like most recent units these days

[onyx ice]

Generally i always give priority 6exing supports

[rotund lagoon]

Yes but it just depends and not like everyone has those types of units.

[keen jasper]

Yeah IK, just saying

[gilded stream]

Yes. I always sync with support first😅

[rotund lagoon]

But Megas can be an exception.

It depends on the team, but Diantha is a huge example of needing first sync.

[nocturne pawn]

i think diantha is an exception

because uh

[rotund lagoon]

Fairy Power.

[nocturne pawn]

+50 spatk and fairy power 5

[keen jasper]

Nah, EX supports always

[nocturne pawn]

which i think maths out to be stronger than support ex buff

[keen jasper]

Because 50% sync buff + 20% stats from mega vs. 100% sync buff from EX support

[rotund lagoon]

Dude I debated with Sages on this, take it up with him

[keen jasper]

Wait really?

[rotund lagoon]

Legit.

[onyx ice]

Generally 6ex support is better than mega

However for units like karen or blue, mega is mandatory

[nocturne pawn]

yeah but fairy power 5

[nocturne pawn]

cuz they get their better dps move right

[rotund lagoon]

Diantha gets more damage from first Mega than EX Support sync.

[nocturne pawn]

i.e dark pulse and hurricane

[rotund lagoon]

No freaking joke.

[gilded stream]

When i sync mega after support ex i always go for sync countdown reduction pairs for the help

[rotund lagoon]

It’s like Diantha’s kit is made for her to be first sync.

[onyx ice]

Most megas are tought to sync early

[nocturne pawn]

is mutually assured even good

seems like a passive for the sake of a passive

[onyx ice]

But some megas aren't that necessary

[onyx ice]

Is to mimic synchronize

[rotund lagoon]

It hasn’t been used often for me

[sinful garden]

wait really?

[rotund lagoon]

So I personally don’t care about it.

[nocturne pawn]

but gardevoir always runs trace anyway

[sinful garden]

have i been using her the wrong way this whole time

[rotund lagoon]

Yep. Same here.

[nocturne pawn]

and i guess for will its magic bounce?

[onyx ice]

Would have been quite hard to mimic trace

[sinful garden]

damn.

[rotund lagoon]

Ya learn something new every day

@keen jasper @sinful garden

[keen jasper]

I was thinking about that actually

[sinful garden]

damn that fairy power 5 boost goes nuts if thats the case

[rotund lagoon]

I underestimated how much of a boost it is.

[sinful garden]

yea me too

[keen jasper]

50% (sync buff) + 20% (mega stats) + 50% (FP5)

[rotund lagoon]

No wonder she’s been strong af since I first got her.

[keen jasper]

Now she's kinda eh

[sinful garden]

paired with sswally tho

[rotund lagoon]

Idk I think we should try again with this new strategy and see how it goes.

[rotund lagoon]

Yep that’s my team.

[sinful garden]

2k cc clears become really easy

[keen jasper]

Still kinda eh, her alt variants are significantly better than her OG variant

[rotund lagoon]

I love Gardevoir and Shiny Mega Gardevoir is sick af, hence why I got SS Wally

[gilded stream]

Sage is youtuber?

[rotund lagoon]

No, he is a helper here.

[gilded stream]

Cool

[keen jasper]

Besides SS Brendan, do we have any other EX supporters that lowers Sp. Def. on-demand?

[rotund lagoon]

I could check.

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‎　⤷Stat Leech 3
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[keen jasper]

Well, it's either SC Jasmine or SS Brendan

[rotund lagoon]

Is Flash Cannon guaranteed drop?

[keen jasper]

Mind Games 9 at 3/5 grid

[onyx ice]

Not really like this fp5 is additive

[rotund lagoon]

Ohhhh

[onyx ice]

So it adds to stuffs like CS2

[keen jasper]

So it's [50% + 20%] * 1.5?

[grand steppe]

I don't upload often to it.

[hot shadow]

You're missing the fact that most of those boosts are multiplicative. So it's not 50% + 50%, it's 1.5x 1.5.

If Diantha syncs, she gets 1.5x from sync buff, 1.5x from hit the gas (since it boosts bp directly), 1.2x from special attack boost, 1.7x from cs2 and fp5.

Support ex sync results in 2x from sync buff, 1.5x from hit the gas, 1.2x from cs2

[keen jasper]

So it's 1.5 * 1.5 * 1.2 * 1.2?

[hot shadow]

Last one is 1.7x.

[keen jasper]

1.5 * 1.7 * 1.2?

[hot shadow]

1.5x 1.5x 1.2x 1.7

[keen jasper]

So when Diantha megas, her DPS becomes 4.59x stronger?

[hot shadow]

Mm, not compared to pre-mega dps

I just gathered all multipliers

She has cs2 and htg pre-mega

[keen jasper]

Is this without Overpower?

[hot shadow]

Since I was comparing it to support ex

[keen jasper]

NVM what I asked

Pretty stupid question of mine

[grand steppe]

Her 20% Sp. Atk stat gain is applied to the stat value, before it is multiplied by the BP.
It's why form changing units that require sync is important for them to activate these form changes.

[hot shadow]

Pre-mega -> mega difference is 1.5x 1.7x times more I guess

[grand steppe]

Except anni Steven

[keen jasper]

So does that mean that mega comes first before EX support or are some mega units still in need of EX support?

[hot shadow]

First of all, no need to ping, I'm still here.

Second, depends on unit.

Like Diantha sync > EX support, but EX support > Anni Steven

[keen jasper]

Who are the mega units besides Diantha that needs to mega first before EX support?

[formal vigil]

karen and blue come to mind

[hot shadow]

Why choose?
Pick mega who is an EX support

[nocturne pawn]

true

ss blue moment

[late grove]

yoooo glacia

[old orchid]

Yoo Maylene- wait

[formal vigil]

[teal siren]

With my team of elio, ghetsis and Kiawe up against Koga would post sync parameters be better to use since my team is slower?

[tribal agate]

depends, are Elio or Kiawe EX'd ?

[teal siren]

Neither are

[tribal agate]

i'd also swap possibly Elio for another spatk buffer such as Rosa then

since she's also EX

she can also help gauge complemented with Kiawe's move gauge accel, this will allow Ghetsis to decimate it with Glaciate spam into second sync nuke (first sync Rosa)

[hot shadow]

inb4 they never exd Rosa

[dark osprey]

Would probably be better with someone to enable Ghetsis nuke as well. Do you have Lucian?

[tribal agate]

Huh?

Ghetsis enables his own nuke

this is Johto on-type too

the base sync modifier under a 2x sync buff is already way overkill on top of the Glaciate damage

[dark osprey]

Wouldn't be spamming noble roar while you can be doing damage and lowering speed

[tribal agate]

my post said to spam Glaciate

[dark osprey]

Don't need an EX support as well then

[tribal agate]

it's just an added bonus of Rosa but yes

[dark osprey]

Imo Lucian is a great partner for Ghetsis. Pecking order setup, special defense debuffs for DPS and nuke & speed buffs for gauge

[tribal agate]

for sure, should they have him he's sweet topping

[dark osprey]

Iirc doesn't ice weak koga have slightly inflated HP?

[tribal agate]

i'd just avoid Elio since most beginners don't use him properly and he's gauge heavy otherwise which would clash with Ghetsis if wrongly used

uh

pomatools can answer that probably

[dark osprey]

Yeah Elio is quite weird there

[keen jasper]

What about Pryce?

[dark osprey]

Oh yeah Pryce is good. Just need that gauge management

[keen jasper]

Well, despite having no gauge support whatsoever, I somehow managed to fully set up Ghetsis's nuke with SS Brendan and Pryce

[dark osprey]

Yeah. Wouldn't be able to use glaciate and icy wind together without some gauge though.

[teal siren]

I do have Lucian 5/5 I think

[tribal agate]

damn

[dark osprey]

SS Brendan is actually kinda nice with free moves at least

[keen jasper]

Lucky, I'm still over here with almost 10 months of having 0 Hilbert

[civic trellis]

Personally I used sycamore and clemont with ghetsis

Sycamore now has support sync and can max speed and special attack which ghetsis cant rlly do himself

I mean he can if u get enough refreshes ig

Clemont helps set up his nuke

• with hala and ghetsis using 4 gauges and hala lowering his speed u’ll have gauge issues

[teal siren]

Was trying to save him for Bruno but I have SST Wally can probably figure something out

[civic trellis]

Ice koga is physically bulky as well iirc

[civic trellis]

Prob better to not use him with wally

Do u have anyone with support sync that can mega?

[teal siren]

Cynthia is the only one I think I have

[civic trellis]

U can also sync with wally himself

[civic trellis]

Lucario?

[teal siren]

Yes

[civic trellis]

Hmm id say just use wally as ur damage dealer and build around him w supports

[sand karma]

SsBlue?

[void wyvern]

You can always throw mina and ss wally together as a dual striker team with hop as your support.

[grand steppe]

Darn you, right side.

[zealous karma]

I expected higher

[grand steppe]

Need the SS Brendan but for Defense.

[zealous karma]

Unironically true

[grand steppe]

I always want to bring Red for against Fighting Stages.

[verbal karma]

alright, I was suggested to do Will for Round 1 instead of Bruno

is Helena/Renegade Cynthia/BP Morty any good?

[zealous karma]

Replace BPMorty with a support that actually helps Helena like Sabrina

And should be good

[void wyvern]

[verbal karma]

thanks, it worked

time for R2 Karen: is Aaron/Alder/Viola good enough? or is Alder costing too much move gauge for this?

[rotund lagoon]

I’m only asking this because I’m curious

[zealous karma]

I’d replace Aaron with someone like SSB

[rotund lagoon]

But you don’t have SS Hilbert, right?

[zealous karma]

I assume alder is 3/5 if you’re using Viola

[verbal karma]

nope

I was too focused on getting SS Hilda

[rotund lagoon]

Get someone like SS Blue or a Speed Support to help with gauge.

[verbal karma]

okay

[rotund lagoon]

Alder’s slow

[void wyvern]

Definitely will appreciate the gauge support and it will help with your survival.

[verbal karma]

infact, I could even use Blue's EXness to my advantage

[void wyvern]

Probably a good idea.

If you sync with blue, alder’s hyper beam will do a lot more.

[rotund lagoon]

Yep

[verbal karma]

alright, done

now it's time for R3 Bruno...how about Nanu/Mina/Sycamore?
or maybe BP Clemont/Mina/Sycamore better?

definitely wanna keep Sycamore since he's EX'd

[zealous karma]

No way sygna suit thunderbolt wally and mega manetric whats with this server and leaking 2028 units smh smh

(I Saw someone say SSTWally somewhere)

[void wyvern]

Another Wally Alt! Where?!

[verbal karma]

guys, my uncle who works are DeNa confirmed that they are gonna fast track Paldea representation in PMEX and add Sync Pairs from Pokémon Scarlet & Pokémon Violet THIS YEAR!

[zealous karma]

!!

[verbal karma]

the reason for that is to make sure Paldea would be included in the Villains Arc

[void wyvern]

No one buffs mina on this team, hop mina sycamore should do better.

[verbal karma]

heck...I'd lose a debuffer then...

[void wyvern]

99% of the time, buffs are better than debuffs.

Also this is R3. You’re gonna get hit with Bruno’s sync so you’ll need the defence buffs.

[verbal karma]

fair

[rotund lagoon]

Debuffs aren’t worth crap if you’re not buffed.

[verbal karma]

R3 done

is Hala/Candice/Glacia good enough for R4 Koga? or should I replace Glacia with someone else?

[void wyvern]

Marley

You can use Marley, Candice, Hala and Marley will provide the speed buffs to max out Candice’s Inertia and help with hala’s missing speed.

[verbal karma]

oh no

Marley can't tank

I need to replace her with a different speed buffer

...actually, wait

Candice is the speed buffer!

she has Fleet Feet!

Marley would be redundant here!

[zealous karma]

Fleet feet is only for herself also not a big fan of marley because that is only +1 crit for candice , do you have 3/5 sonia or hilbert?

[verbal karma]

I have 5/5 Sonia and Hilbert

[zealous karma]

incredible if you can grid them I would use either of them

[void wyvern]

Hilbert is a good choice here.

Easy access to +3 crit

[zealous karma]

(grab crit squad) Sonia might be better cause MGA is super helpful for hala and candice because they're extremely slow and candice likes def debuffs for more sync damage and if sides for whatever reason give trouble you have that safety net

[rotund lagoon]

Sonia’s Crit Squad is just

[verbal karma]

Hala also has easy access to +3 crit, actually

[void wyvern]

Maxing attack, crit, and defence!?

[rotund lagoon]

ALSO DEFENSE CRUSH BY 1 BAR SPAM??

AND POTION???

EX??

[void wyvern]

PARALYZE AND FLINCH?!?