Ghetsis can be your main DD against Drake with Pryce assuming you also have a unit that can manage gauge
#Champion Stadium
keen jasper
violet timber
SS Iris was there to debuff and flinch iirc
prime warren
SS Iris was there to debuff and flinch iirc
Oh I was talking abt the solo factor
boreal rose
Thats right. Physical
My reading comprehension sucks but from what ik its weaker on r1
prime warren
They literally teach that to you in victory road
The reason to bring smth like Maxie is coz flygon drake runs inherently has high spl defense
So you bring physical unit
And it gains passives on sandstorm
So you have to wipe the sand as well
wary plume
ty now i steal 
boreal rose
They literally teach that to you in victory road
I remember nothing from it
And i dont have time to redo it
keen jasper
Just remember that damage reduction fields get ignored by critical hits
A.K.A. Light Screen and Reflect
boreal rose
Who shoukd be the tank
wary plume
since when was this a thing
wary plume
i don’t like this
prime warren
Thats what you do when SC doesn't sell 
boreal rose
Who shoukd be the tank
prime warren
Any tank that is physically strong to handle eq spam and can let buff the team quicker
boreal rose
Maxie stronk
boreal rose
You just recommended a ground weak tank to handle eq spam
You think why do i ask for a tank
Doesnt even hit Flygon
prime warren
Why did Erika spam sunny day?
Instead of solar blade
Also why x spd twice
Sonia MGaccels with potion and buffs spd upon hit
boreal rose
Wdym spam sunny day?
prime warren
You wasted damage opportunities
boreal rose
How should i get rid of sandstorm
subtle forge
You used sunny day twice
prime warren
Maxie wipes it on entry
Were you even looking at screen
He's literally designed to tackle such stages
You just use Erika TM twice and then start spamming solar blade
And maxie uses dh+
Tbh Id say even TMing once is fine coz it's still +2 crit
boreal rose
You used sunny day twice
Yewh
prime warren
For Erika
boreal rose
Were you even looking at screen
And?
It appears after sync too
But i used it too early
And thats why i used both
boreal rose
Are you reading?
manic kiln
that's why you have to pay attention to what's happening on the screen, so you don't waste moves and queue useless moves
boreal rose
Cuz you smart
prime warren
Then drop point req
Don't do 2k MM
Do 850 pts or smth
Most people start that way
manic kiln
no offense but those should be the standard stuff you should know after playing through several CS for months, Hoenn is hard sure but managable
boreal rose
no offense but those should be the standard stuff you should know after playing ...
Im a idiot yk that?
prime warren
You crossed through sinnoh MM
boreal rose
Psure hoenn is easier than sinnoh
Its otherwise
prime warren
Hoenn should be more doable
boreal rose
I had less trouble woth the last whole Sinnoh CS than with this Hoenn CS
halcyon sail
To be honest, Steel Glacia, Ice Drake and Bug Sydney are probably the 3 hardest Hoenn Cs stages of them all
mellow linden
Definitely are
manic kiln
Im a idiot yk that?
hey i'm not attacking you or anything, you're still better than a lot of people here. some people with 2 years+ acc and still don't know how to choose parameters. don't get frustrated after just a few tries. If you have trouble with certain types try building/scouting for that type, on type is still easier than off type tbh
prime warren
Zekrom sweeped the floor
manic kiln
Bug weak is trouble coz people refuse to offtype
i always mono ontype lmao 
prime warren
Ontype is when shit gets hard
You offtype and things get infinitely easier
Like glacia also hard coz only steel special is raihan
boreal rose
hey i'm not attacking you or anything, you're still better than a lot of people ...
I also dont know anything abt parameters
I just use the pre sync always
prime warren
It's not like an offtype special unit wouldn't clear the fight
halcyon sail
Strength parameters are the key
halcyon sail
And avoid the offensive parameters
prime warren
Bruh
He's the best dps in game
boreal rose
Na
manic kiln
I also dont know anything abt parameters
that's fine but the basic stuffs like their kits, passives and stats, buffs... you should know, it'll make things easier, parameters you'll figure them out on your own the more you play (and fail)
prime warren
I used ash for drake
Where he is weak to eq spam and is special dps
He still makes the fight joke
mellow linden
Ash could definitely off-type Glacia. Ash + EX Support + other Support since no Volkner or Kris + Jolteon, iirc
mellow linden
Just make sure to use his Buddy Move with full move gauge
manic kiln
lol Ash can offtype glacia at 1/5 
prime warren
Glacia is ez mode for Ash
boreal rose
that's fine but the basic stuffs like their kits, passives and stats, buffs... y...
What
prime warren
She resist physical not special
halcyon sail
I started 4 months ago, and learned about the good parameters only a month ago, now 10k is easy(also a decent amount of support EXs)
manic kiln
What
the stuff like using sun, speed buff from Erika like others mentioned above, you should not make those mistakes again. Those are like the basic of their kits you should know very well by now
boreal rose
manic kiln
subtle forge
Just take a second to look at a unit’s moves and passives and stuff before you try to use them
It will make things easier
manic kiln
I started 4 months ago, and learned about the good parameters only a month ago, ...
you're pretty good tbh, many still have to ask for teams and parameters every week and they've been playing for years 
also people can just stop at 7k5 if you couldn't do 10k 
mellow linden
Might be worth checking #1010274591601598555 and seeing some teams other people use if you’re having trouble with teambuilding. You can look at the teams from there that you can put together yourself and check the moves/passives/grids to see how the team fits together and works
Sometimes the synergy is obvious (SS Steven + Psychic Terrain), other times not so much (Marley’s Team Sharp Entry means SS Serena can save a turn of Dire Hit+)
halcyon sail
I'm still catching up with spirits
Even when I 20/20 both Archie and Maxie without EXing them
mellow linden
Believe me, soon enough you’ll find yourself always short on powerups but swimming in Champion Spirits
prime warren
Make sure to balance power up exchange properly
You get more PU influx rn coz of lodge
manic kiln
yeah but the lodge gives a steady income of PU
prime warren
Once you run out of lodge units , the rate will sharply decrease
manic kiln
if they release new unit every month
prime warren
It takes like only 2-3 months to catch up in lodge
halcyon sail
It was the lodge which made it tip the other way, around the 1st month into playing
prime warren
They need to release like 4 units per month to not run out
manic kiln
They need to release like 4 units per month to not run out <:PrycePain:971377771...
lol people won't pull on new banners
manic mica
My lusamine dies from one sync move from Sidney and idk what to do
mellow linden
Yeah, Lusamine can’t take an enemy Sync
halcyon sail
Or change the zone
mellow linden
Too squishy
You always need to pre-Sync with her
If you can’t KO before then you’ll have to off-type
prime warren
Tbf post sync run in 2k MM itself is hard
Needs lot of defensive buffs
Regardless of dps
mellow linden
I say this as someone who uses Lusamine as my main Bug damage-dealer
halcyon sail
Some pairs are fit for that, mainly defensive nukers
manic mica
Lusamine is my only Bug dps :/
boreal rose
Might be worth checking <#1010274591601598555> and seeing some teams other peopl...
Believe it or notnmy isnporation for teams is usually optimize
boreal rose
Lusamine is my only Bug dps :/
And Gladion technically
manic kiln
if your pairs are mostly 1/5 and 2/5 you'll most likely have to post sync, unless OP units like MF and recent pokefairs
mellow linden
…Don’t use the Optimize button. Ever. Please.
steel kelp
Optimize
boreal rose
…Don’t use the Optimize button. Ever. Please.
Eh
manic mica
I didn’t tho I legit don’t have anyone else
boreal rose
It shows me what to use
steel kelp
Bruh
subtle forge
Optimize 
mellow linden
It shows me what to use
It shows you who has the highest stats
boreal rose
If it uses SSMorty ik i should use a speed buffer
steel kelp
Do you not think for yourself
boreal rose
It shows you who has the highest stats
Ik
mellow linden
It has no concept of synergy
boreal rose
I said it gives me inspiration for teams
mellow linden
It recommends SS Morty on like every team purely because of his base stats
boreal rose
Sometimes yes. I use the optimize team but onlt in events
mellow linden
I didn’t tho I legit don’t have anyone else
You’ll probably have to off-type then
austere quest
Was forced to Offtype Drake with my Electric Team and it was a clean sweep lmao
SST Red is so good
mellow linden
Drake convinced me to use my next universal candy to speed up 3/5 Palentine’s Bea
Sonia (my usual Support for my Ice team currently) is too much RNG
manic kiln
just use glacia 
mellow linden
I use Candice + Holiday Nessa, so no
full mesa
Apparently I have to ex Candice. Otherwise I'll have to suffer with Ice weak Drake.
dark osprey
I think EX Ghetsis is kinda enough
full mesa
Really?
summer flare
lemme check the full team real quick
full mesa
Doesn't he have wise entry x2?
dark osprey
But not that bulky
full mesa
I'll check around the yt. Get some references.
summer flare
I said he's enough, but ss kris kinda bumped him up to achieve that
I used ghetsis, ss kris and lucian
ss kris was 3/5 and had a full special moves + grid
dark osprey
Did a couple runs with ghetsis, Lucian and EX SS Morty
summer flare
also was EX
dark osprey
I think without the weather changing also would be possible
summer flare
lucian really goes a long way into reducing the effects of wise entry and helping setup ghetsis' sync multipliers
dark osprey
True
summer flare
weather changing helps surviving too
but lucian overall is a nice start, since it allows you to spam glaciate
without needing to noble roar
dark osprey
True
full mesa
What team did you use for Glacia?
mellow linden
Would lose Overpower modifier, but otherwise yeah
summer flare
for glacia I've used a strange set of parameters and a team built around raihan
it was round 3, 150 EX 1/5 raihan, ss elesa and sabrina
dark osprey
Would lose Overpower modifier, but otherwise yeah
Better for the nuke
summer flare
selling point was to allow him to nuke the sides before they nuked him back
it was a speed run, however, since I've slammed every sort of parameter that wasn't power + or hp +
and in exchange had to add sync buff, halved hp, halved healing, halved mp, power on move, gradual healing, atk and spatk+
just to make sure that the damage demands were close to 0 points csmm
used same parameters on r4 sydney, which allowed 1/5 no EX alder to pull it off
boreal rose
Fvck it. Im doing Daphne first with CSerena
Wait she isnt Daphne. Well whatever her name is
Phoebe
Im doing Overkill teams.
My patience ran out
full mesa
You need nerves of steel to face Hoenn. It's even worse than Sinnoh.
boreal rose
Yes. I can see that
The entire month of Sinnoh wss easier than this week of Hoenn
Im scared abt Kalos at this point
🙃 i'd have an EX Gloria for this weak
Ig i gotta wait until Saturday
main crow
inb4 Kalos the easiest to reflect on the main games
versed ginkgo
Welppp I’m back again and again I need help on teams to make
Should I send you my units :((
Sorry for all the screenshots in advance I need help in beating hard mode
mellow linden
Teams built around:
-
SS Ethan for Glacia
-
SS Hilbert for Sidney
-
Karen for Phoebe
-
SS Lyra or Silver for Drake
-
Archie for Steven
Should work
mellow linden
Could replace Skyla with a Sp. Atk. buffer so SS Hilbert can focus exclusively on Metal Sound and Techno Blast
This Hard Mode or Master Mode? (Assuming the latter, but good to check)
manic mica
Master mode ofc
mellow linden
Just wanted to check
Could also do Sabrina instead of Aaron for similar reasons as replacing Skyla with a Sp. Atk. buffer
zealous karma
This game sucks!
mellow linden
Am confused
zealous karma
Am confused
Drake is alive (:
void wyvern
This game sucks!
Ex Candice? Hot
versed ginkgo
Teams built around:
- SS Ethan for Glacia
- SS Hilbert for Sidney
- Karen for...
Thank you broo
zealous karma
mellow linden
That team has basically zero synergy
Also no Rain setter, which is a significant damage loss
compact crypt
I don't know how to make teams
mellow linden
+101
Ah, doesn't work here
Gimme a sec to refamiliarize myself with Dojo Gloria's kit
frosty axle
you want a physical tank support for that team
I would use something like Samurott if 3/5
mellow linden
If you have Hilbert then him + Dojo Gloria + May or Winona would be a great team
Normally I'd give the caveat of Hilbert needing to be 3/5, but for Dojo Gloria it actually doesn't matter much
zealous karma
I don't know how to make teams
compact crypt
Thanks
I managed to complete. SS Grimsley - Sharpedo / Gloria (Dojo) - Urshifu / SS Dawn - Cresselia
void wyvern
Does champion Gloria have guaranteed crit as a passive or is that just for her sync?
zealous karma
I managed to complete. SS Grimsley - Sharpedo / Gloria (Dojo) - Urshifu / SS Daw...
That team also doesn’t have the best synergy
You’d much rather a physical support like Hop/Hilbert(3/5)/Sonia(3/5) and so on
compact crypt
That team also doesn’t have the best synergy
the important thing is that it worked
zealous karma
I think the more important thing is to learn about team synergy and building for long term
mellow linden
If it works it works, but in the future you'll wanna try and get a team with more synergy for an easier clear
lunar meadow
That team also doesn’t have the best synergy
Sharpedo benefits from cresselia crit buffs and urshifu stat drops.
Sharpedo just self buffs attack and then should be fine
But ya, I'd take Yamper 100% of the time.
Cresselia sucks. And Yamper buffs speed for Inertia
zealous karma
Pair anyone with Glojo and they’re good, my main concern is the supoort chosen 🦑
lunar meadow
Agreed.
Cresselia is worse than most free supports imo 🤣
Needing to be low health just to have enough defense to tank is silly.
zealous karma
A lot of other people would disagree about cresselia being bad me being one of them but she does have stuff like danger guard and stuff and moonlight
lunar meadow
When it is good, its really only for special teams
zealous karma
She is a more special oriented suooort with her kit ye
compact crypt
If it works it works, but in the future you'll wanna try and get a team with mor...
I need a lot of help, I'm trying to do it for a few hours with only 1500 points in each phase, 7500 points in total
mellow linden
That's totally fine, the difference between 7.5k and 10k is basically nonexistent anyways
compact crypt
10k is very hard
mellow linden
It's definitely challenging, but definitely doable with the right teams. If you need help next week or later this week you can always come back here for assistance
compact crypt
thanks
rigid flint
Turns out I did do 15 types the last time Hoenn CS was around
Now time to struggle through MM
void wyvern
Hoenn is lot less gimmicky then sinnoh. It’s like your older brother that doesn’t need a neat trick to get you. Just old fashioned attacks
zealous karma
I hate hoenn way more tha sinnoh for CS
void wyvern
Steel weak glacia is grinding my gears
subtle forge
Hoenn kinda branches out from just slapping wise/sentry entry x2 on every stage to make things harder
It’s got like weather and zones and stuff
wary plume
hope kalos is way more difficult
void wyvern
Kalos will be the true neo cs
rigid flint
Hoenn is lot less gimmicky then sinnoh. It’s like your older brother that doesn’...
Oh for sure, it's just the bulk and big damage annoys me to death
That and every second battle has wise entry and sentry entry
void wyvern
Thorton does the impossible attempt 2 with the right file.
Now the real joke is if someone actually clear 2k Glacia with thorton. Because the sides sure do love icy wind.
rigid flint
Yoooo the big thorton nuke
Mmm yeah the sides would not budge since thorton's normal attacks are all physical
void wyvern
Also doesn’t help that there is no real support that buffs Atk, special attack, crit, and defences.
And the fact that you have to use all 6 rounds to actually get glacia’s defence down to -6
rigid flint
Very tricky
rigid flint
Also doesn’t help that there is no real support that buffs Atk, special attack, ...
The closest I can think of is Lyra
But she doesn't buff any defense
void wyvern
It’s a lot of luck. Also. HIS INNATE MULTIPLER IS FLINCH. WHO AT DENA HATES THORTON.
trail smelt
I used Wikstrom for Glacia haha
undone ether
sighs in a corner
rigid flint
Ok I'm ngl
I feel like I'm doing something wrong with my queueing
On round 1 against sidney
And my team's jasmine, sc emmet and hilbert
grand trout
Also doesn’t help that there is no real support that buffs Atk, special attack, ...
Sonia can do that at higher levels but without sp atk
rigid flint
Whenever I get to hilbert's sync they always manage to queue up swift or x speed all on the left
And I have tried so many times that I do not know what I've done wrong
zealous karma
Whenever I get to hilbert's sync they always manage to queue up swift or x speed...
You have a physical shield
The timer runs out right before
Your sync
grand trout
And my team's jasmine, sc emmet and hilbert
Try using someone that can buff def and sp def instead of jasmine?
Bp morty perhaps? He also has potions
rigid flint
Well they don't use much special moves tho
zealous karma
I mean SCEmmet can clear the stage without zone
rigid flint
Yeah
zealous karma
Bring a defense debuffer
grand trout
I thought swift was you problem
rigid flint
It's just the queueing that's a problem
Oh no no I can survive the swift I just wanna queue well
zealous karma
It’s the physical shield running out before/during your sync
As any shield param that works on your side
rigid flint
That's what's screwing up the queueing huh
zealous karma
The timer runs out right before
J said that here ye
grand trout
Speaking of Sidney
grand trout
Is there any way i can set up bug zone after dark zone AND sync right after (with sc ingo)
zealous karma
If bugsy can one shot side with sync so can Emmet 🦑
It’s Calem buddy move but same idea
Wait
rigid flint
Since I'm bringing a defense debuffer I should sync with emmet first right
rigid flint
You did it just deleted
grand trout
I tried making the speed to slowest and still I'm not fast enough
rigid flint
Cos the bot doesn't allow what it thinks are clears
grand trout
Not precisely
grand trout
In your case, i want calem to set up the zone AND sync with him
zealous karma
Oh that you can’t do
grand trout
Aww man
zealous karma
The enemy would have to use an attack move and then flinch
But Emmet doesn’t have zone isn’t that ingo?
grand trout
Is there any way i can set up bug zone after dark zone AND sync right after (wit...
Yeah i said sc ingo lol
rigid flint
I think they're implying they don't have sc emmet
grand trout
Because Sidney uses dark zone before sync right
rigid flint
Yeah and then he immediately syncs
mellow linden
I don't think it's possible to Sync with the same pair that replaced Dark Zone before Sidney Syncs
zealous karma
Correct
mellow linden
Could definitely queue Bug Zone -> a different pair's Sync though
zealous karma
Is it possible you can sync with another bug unit sync nuker
We have a few F2P ones like Noland and bugsy now
Funny both bugsy' kinda pair well together
grand trout
I try not to sync with noland unfortunately
grand trout
Do you have bugscyther by any chance
zealous karma
Welp I'mma just chuck kukui into the team with hilbert and sc emmet
Nanu works too
MR sucks wh
rigid flint
Oh true nanu would be better
rigid flint
Sadly I don't
grand trout
How about MR?
rigid flint
Also no
zealous karma
Oof
grand trout
i think you have sygna suit mr and lycanroc soo
rigid flint
Lmaoo
peak stirrup
Who can I pair Alder with for round 1 Sidney?
Keeping SS Kris for champ so can’t use her
Also can’t use OG Red or Hop or Hilbert
grand trout
You want someone to buff alder's defenses
peak stirrup
I tried running him with Aaron and Eevee but it didn’t work
grand trout
Why eevee?
peak stirrup
Gauge battery
grand trout
Aaron, as good as he is, is slow af in fortifying
peak stirrup
Alder was +6 in both
grand trout
Is anyone exed?
rigid flint
Ah, I see why you have eevee then
peak stirrup
I mean I could try to use SS Kris and replace her spot in my water team with SS Blue
But Alder maxes his own Sp Atk so all she would give is the Sp Move Up
zealous karma
Alder is 1/5 so EX kind of a waste
Doesn’t the stage have wise entry or is that lucian?
Do you have Bugsy and Noland?
They work well for this stage
peak stirrup
Doesn’t the stage have wise entry or is that lucian?
No, don’t think so
peak stirrup
Do you have Bugsy and Noland?
It’s round 1 so physical moves resistance
rigid flint
Well as long as you have a crit support it doesn't matter
zealous karma
It’s round 1 so physical moves resistance
Not if you crit
rigid flint
Aaahhh I just need 3 more striker coins to get 3/5 sc emmet
frail grove
does crit ignore phy/sp atk resistance?
rigid flint
Yep
frail grove
wow i never knew that
mellow linden
Yes, it ignores Reflect and Light Screen effects
frail grove
ty 🫡
rigid flint
Have you done the victory road by any chance?
mellow linden
Which is what the physical and special damage reduction effects are in round and point parameters
frail grove
i have but it was awhile ago
frail grove
i must've forgotten about it ty tho 
peak stirrup
Well I guess I can use Hop and sub Hilbert on my steel team
Should do the same thing
zealous karma
I just used an F2P friendly team if you have a better phys support it prolly will work lel
peak stirrup
I tried the same thing, and 4 times in a row he synced before I could get off my 2nd and wiped my team
zealous karma
I tried the same thing, and 4 times in a row he synced before I could get off my...
You’re probably not quad queing
peak stirrup
You’re probably not quad queing
Probably not. I’ll just have to offtype or toxic stall
zealous karma
If you don’t know how to wud queue check the last pin
mellow linden
What round is it?
zealous karma
One
But if they’re following what I did (and sidney doesn’t attack three times) they should be able to get a sync off and still not have queue denial
mellow linden
Can’t actually quad-queue without the ability to skip a round or someone to reapply Reflect on Round 1
rigid flint
Quick question
swift swan
Can’t actually quad-queue without the ability to skip a round or someone to reap...
this is why I brought Red in round 1
zealous karma
https://streamable.com/q6j6bb
I did it hear on round one tho lel
swift swan
and fighting drake R1 was a mistake because you just can't quadqueue, period
zealous karma
You can do it with Faitlin too lel
rigid flint
Will Volkner and Ash be enuf to clear Glacia
zealous karma
You just need fast animations (like tms thay don’t have stuff like pep rally/additional effects)
mellow linden
Well I just run Adrenaline on Fall Caitlin
zealous karma
Will Volkner and Ash be enuf to clear Glacia
Murder lel
mellow linden
So uh
zealous karma
Well I just run Adrenaline on Fall Caitlin
Me too lel
rigid flint
Murder lel
Lmaoo time to murder glacia
swift swan
imagine having fall caitlin
rigid flint
Ah b thunderbolt my beloved
Oh the blizzard missed lmao
I didn't even get to use my damage shield
Ash casually living at full hp
vivid star
Any recommended order to do these stages in? Like preferable parameters for each one?
I can likely do it with the units I have, but the parameters are always a really fun puzzle to figure out each week. ;u;
dark osprey
wouldnt want to do galcia on the special attacks amplified round
2nd round is quick sync one so need to choose that also as per ur roster
trail smelt
Ah yeah it is. R2 is permanent field (your friend and mine lol)
The parameter order is pinned
dark osprey
oh so sry. my bad
keen jasper
Any recommended order to do these stages in? Like preferable parameters for each...
Drake should be either round 1 or round 2 (assuming you have a Hail unit for either rounds)
Glacia definitely not round 4
Phoebe is possible at round 4
Sidney is unless you have a zone replacer or Defog unit, not round 3
dark osprey
could do sidney with SS Hilbert probably without the zone as well
but yeah generally not the sync quickening one
keen jasper
could do sidney with SS Hilbert probably without the zone as well
Snarl says hi
dark osprey
ah. not much of an issue
super effective next & rebuff is going to be deadly
thats without metal sound as well since its difficult to do all these things
lone lava
Yeah pretty sure I'm just doing smth wrong against glacia
swift swan
Yeah pretty sure I'm just doing smth wrong against glacia
why are your Cyrus, Silver, and Giovanni only at 1/5
lone lava
why are your Cyrus, Silver, and Giovanni only at 1/5
lazy to exchange
totally didn't forget to fight and exchange
Trust me
swift swan
with Glacia, you need a good special defense tank and special damage dealers
swift swan
lazy to exchange
~~totally didn't forget to fight and exchange~~
well, go and do that then
I hope you didn't exchange their custom 
to raw ones too
go 20/20 them if you haven't, no reason not to
lone lava
I hope you didn't exchange their custom <:iGoldPowerUp:799684179880837121> to ra...
No, I just haven't gave them the power ups
help who is a good a spdef tank
swift swan
sycamore's a good one, but you'll have to sync with him first
lone lava
sycamore's a good one, but you'll have to sync with him first
sycamore + special damage dealer + probably someone with a potion
lone lava
sycamore + special damage dealer + probably someone with a potion
time to hope for the best
lone lava
time to hope for the best
Ok i got utterly destroyed
lone lava
which round?
3
lone lava
also, this is 2k right?
The Fact that I don't know what that means probably means that it isn't
swift swan
3
ah, no wonder
ok, so hard mode
R3 is glacia is kinda tricky. which other E4 do you have left?
lone lava
R3 is glacia is kinda tricky. which other E4 do you have left?
Phoebe
a
sorry for the ping
lone lava
what units did you end up using?
sst red, skyla, volker, ss wally, hop and lear
GOD
WEUO[BROEBREUJ
swift swan
sst red, skyla, volker, ss wally, hop and lear
oh you mean these are the units you've already used
swift swan
sycamore + special damage dealer + probably someone with a potion
I mean who you used here
lone lava
I mean who you used here
Leaf sycamore ss red
swift swan
hmm, sounds alright
1/5 Leaf probably doesn't have potion MPR huh
you can probably try Sycamore/Hydro Pump Cyrus/rain setter (winona is a free one)
grid cyrus for hydro pump build
boreal rose
I want Hoenn CS to be deleted out of exsistence
swift swan
it's 70% the stage and 30% the params
old orchid
all of them are so bulky wtf
swift swan
Hoenn are so tanky but at the same time hits like a truck
rigid flint
It's not fun
boreal rose
Sinnoh. Which is said to be the hardest i'd say is easier than Hoenn. By a lot
I wish i had Pal Marnie
Its a bit better now
sick inlet
Yeah She has high physical defenses
boreal rose
rigid flint
Yeahh
She does have sentry entry x2
Tho I did see someone brute force glacia with ss gio
But what is there that ss gio can't do
sick inlet
Being that good at 1/5 😭
swift swan
Sinnoh. Which is said to be the hardest i'd say is easier than Hoenn. By a lot
it really just depends on the roster
Hoenn hits a lot harder so if you don't have good tanks of course Hoenn feels more difficult
molten nimbus
if it's not Flint anything can be dealt with 
swift swan
Flint always felt easy for me. It's Lucian that tends to give me trouble
molten nimbus
lol it's the otherwise
maybe because flint hits too hard and doesnt allow you for stall with his resistances 9
swift swan
exactly, I feel like Flint's gimmick was just "big damage go brrr". I'm used to big damage because I do hyper offensive parameters and I have a lot of trust in my tanks, so he's never a big problem
This week Glacia though... on top of big damage go brrr, she also has damage mitigation towards physical steel, which is... most steel
dark osprey
Need to check if grimsley can one shot sync nuke glacia
swift swan
Metal burst followed by a sync nuke under zone can probably do it 
swift swan
I don't have zone either lol
molten nimbus
dark osprey
Yeah. Maybe without zone also. If ghetsis can do it with Drake, grimsley should probably power through
swift swan
Way back when we had hoenn the first time, I did clear with ghetsis. Had to hella postsync the hell out of it though
dark osprey
Grimsley got a very good nuke coupled with defense debuffs and super effective up
molten nimbus
btw does glacia have stuff to fuck stall up like flint did?
like poison resistance 9, trap resistance 9 etc?
dark osprey
Way back when we had hoenn the first time, I did clear with ghetsis. Had to hell...
With his EX he does sync nuke ohko but needs a support EX buff
molten nimbus
With his EX he does sync nuke ohko but needs a support EX buff
metal burst should help with it
so probably doesnt need sync to ohko it
dark osprey
Yeah it's one with metal burst, one with the sync nuke and the other hope for a flinch or miss on aoe
swift swan
like poison resistance 9, trap resistance 9 etc?
bad news, she has lessen 9 for poison, bad poison, and trap
normally it doesn't matter too much. it's just that her offensive stats are higher than normal CS stages
so even if you debuff her to oblivion, she still hits harder than other CS stages
dark osprey
yeah. maybe sycamore can help but not sure if she sets weather and gets buffed attack with that too
swift swan
this week Glacia doesn't set weather
dark osprey
ah. guess its just the accuracy buffs that make blizzard not miss
summer flare
I don't have an on type glacia clear that doesn't use raihan
And even the on type one has like, obscenely offensive parameters to beat her just in time
grim island
Hi, I'm trying CS 10k MM, woukd these team/param be ok?
- Round 1: Team 1 vs Sidney (post sync, but this team failed x.x)
- Round 2: Team 2 vs Glacia (Post sync)
- Round 3: Team 3 vs Drake (status stall maybe?)
- Round 4: Team 4 vs Phoebe (Post sync)
- Round 5: Team 5 vs Steven (pre-sync)
summer flare
Is SS N physical?
I don't have him and Hala couldn't cut it, so I just used ghetsis for drake
Also, does SS Gio have flash cannon?
Or is it iron tail?
summer flare
Then I'm not sure about SS Gio, since glacia has sentry entry
It's a stage tailor made for raihan
grim island
Hm... If needed I can offtype with a fire team, plant team or electric team
summer flare
If you have him, then he'd be a better choice, but either an special off typer or a steel pair should be better suited than Gio, if his nuke is physical
As long as the offtyper is special, it's up to you, I believe
N should be strong enough for drake
Phoebe's team looks a bit squishy
I don't remember exactly who I've used as a tank
But Sydney and MR did the job damage wise
Could go Sydney and N too
Or N MR
prime warren
Glacia is doable with any special option
It doesnt have to be raihan
Just bring a spl unit with terrain access
It would likely be on par or better than raihan already
summer flare
I haven't tried offtypers on it
Since I try my best to go on type every week
Which has pushed me into some questionable investments
trail smelt
I’m definitely not on typing fairies anymore
keen jasper
Is SS N physical?
He is, but he has Ice Beam for special
summer flare
Fairy is one of my worst types, likely the worst
But I still try to do it with either gladion or sycamore
keen jasper
Fairy is one of my worst types, likely the worst
Good thing I have SS Wally
summer flare
Does mina out nuke gladion?
She only has like pecking order
Twice, but still
Gladion has tech EX
summer flare
I don't think ice is that bad with ghetsis around
He usually does the trick for me, even against wise entry
Even though I had to use SS Kris to compensate for the damage drop
prime warren
Oh I was talking abt typing in general
Not in budget accessibility
Coz fairy does have lot of good stuff when you decide to gamble for it unlike ice
summer flare
The best ice pokemon is SS N, right?
And even him isn't that amazing from what it seems
Poison is really low down there too
prime warren
Well for CS gio is fine
Ebes tho
Also plumeria nuke is quite good
It's just sludgewave hits like wet paper
keen jasper
Is Looker technically better than Plumeria?
summer flare
Depends on how you look at it. If plumeria can offtype anything, then I guess not?
prime warren
She can
If you run firis with her
summer flare
But if plumeria doesn't break that threshold, he elbow drops her
prime warren
keen jasper
Hopefully when there's a poison-weak EB, there's going to be WE x2 so that F. Iris users gonna be mad
prime warren
Coz her nuke hits the standard big number for aoe in zone
summer flare
Then I'd say she's better than looker overall
prime warren
Well for exclusively poison weak
Looker is amazing
summer flare
With looker being better than her outside of it
prime warren
He gets lot of se modifiers
You wouldn't rly bother with plum outside poison weak
A decent roster tend to have better options to offtype than plum
Especially special dps are hella common
summer flare
I'd rather try to find my way into ontyping
Also
I think poison ebe is more likely to have sentry entry
So both looker and Koga get shafted
But Koga, specially, since he's accessible
Much like sentry entry ice
prime warren
Ebe are different story
It depends on gimmick itself
Like current alder ebe was doable with Karen eventho the fight is designed for physical units
Coz Karen snarls the shit Outta alder
summer flare
Karen sounds busted at 3/5
prime warren
She isn't
summer flare
I had issues clearing it with a perfect sydney
prime warren
Imo she's basically plumeria tier
Great nuke
Pepega dps to work with
Well this week dark stage was restricting physical
summer flare
I likely just get swayed by her being the thing between me and slapping candies and EX on alder
trail smelt
Wanted to try out Roxie boosted by Zone lol
prime warren
Well I already have more than enuff offtype teams
No reason to specifically build teams to ontype
summer flare
I think I already have 5 at least
I just like doing on type
Which should technically be easier, but isn't due to "early" game roster constraints
trail smelt
I only really need 5 offtype teams haha
summer flare
Cyrus I'd say is one
trail smelt
Which I do
summer flare
Ghetsis does offtypes sometimes
Giovanni as well
Then whenever permanent field effects are up, I like to use SS lyra and SS erika
summer flare
Is gladion an offtyper?
summer flare
It's a philosophical question for me
prime warren
Incase they drop all 5 stages as wise entry
summer flare
How much does pecking order increase a nuke?
prime warren
Same as every other modifier
summer flare
Is it 1,3x?
jovial stump
i have problems beating steel battle, I have vanilla jasmine EX 5/5, palatines marnie 1/5 no ex and raihan ex 1/5....
summer flare
So does -6 pecking order makes 200 go up to 400?
summer flare
Also, if you have the multi twice
prime warren
So does -6 pecking order makes 200 go up to 400?
Yes
summer flare
Do they stack additively?
jovial stump
doesnt clang renews gauge?
prime warren
Mina does
summer flare
Which is miserable
keen silo
Anyway to off type drake?
prime warren
And not having to bring a dedicated atk down
keen silo
SS N struggles with sides
jovial stump
Raihan has atrocious spd
spd?
dark osprey
It does with grid but otherwise jasmine isn't adding much because it's more or less special
summer flare
Between ghetsis and hilbert
summer flare
I think she can hit max nuke even 1st sync
dark osprey
Might as well get Rosa EX to top of the sp atk
prime warren
You bring
Ghetsis, Hilbert to support Mina
When gladion can literally bring anything that does damage instead of ghetsis slot
Or bring smth like flyhan/redlax to amp damage
Or a zone bot
Depending on type
summer flare
I have neither
My only zoner is ground
And why would I pair him with ground zone when I can just add Ingo and Cynthia to a Courtney team?
dark osprey
i have problems beating steel battle, I have vanilla jasmine EX 5/5, palatines m...
That team should work either ways unless Glacia KOs someone before sync
prime warren
Ark
That team has horrible gauge
Psure that's the issue
And the raihan himself is stuck at +2 crit , +4 spl atk
So you are gambling at 80% crit chance
summer flare
My glacia team was Raihan, SS elesa and Sabrina
dark osprey
Lol. I know it seems that way but gauge refills when used properly are kinda great
Also the +1 crit is given by PMarnie iirc
summer flare
That said
dark osprey
Yeah. It could be gauge even with the refills
prime warren
I use raihan with Bertha coz I am a 🤡 that skipped ingo due to summer Gloria
summer flare
I was using Raihan with likely my most offensive parameters ever
prime warren
Back when I was rolling for waifus
summer flare
Strength + increases levels, right?
prime warren
Ah yes summer gloria totally worth
And guess what state water is at
dark osprey
Kinda yeah. But don't know how that's quantifiable
prime warren
summer flare
So giving 60 levels means they get hp and defense
prime warren
I just pick str6 for everything
summer flare
Instead I decided to give as much attack as I could
summer flare
And then cursed parameters such as halved Hp, healing and mp
Just so the only hp boost the stage had was a strength +2
dark osprey
Yeah. Can go with reduced sync countdown and full attack to rush clear
prime warren
Half HP is useful for stuff like ghetsis and Karen
summer flare
It was round 3
Reduced sync would have me starting dead
With those reduced parameters
1/5 Raihan did enough
SS Elesa went and allowed Raihan to sync twice before sides decided to play the baker street sax
dark osprey
Ah round 3 is already reduced
summer flare
And Sabrina was there just so Raihan could sync with +6 spatk
dark osprey
So no support EX sync?
prime warren
Support ex isn't rly needed for ontype runs
Unless the dps is very weak
dark osprey
I mean raihan's sync isn't great unless 5/5 so probably better support EX sync
And can save a super effective up with TM if possible
prime warren
I use 3/5 raihan at offtype
I am quite certain at that point 1/5 raihan ontype is perfectly fine
dark osprey
After the support EX sync
prime warren
Unless the sides have abnormal resistances
Like the prev week steel one
With mid having sentry entry
Sides had wise entry
dark osprey
Yeah. Sides only and that too wise entry 3 I think
Think that's worse than offtype similar damage
keen silo
yeah not what i wanted to happen using ssa Cynthia but it is what it is
Kinda hate the fact that I have to use Winona as well
prime warren
It's not like Winona get much use anyways
With almost every water type some way or other bringing the rain
keen silo
More of that mandatory "must cancel the sandstorm" thing
She did prevent an earthquake from flygon, which I'm happy about
And I don't plan to use her against Steven
swift swan
Does mina out nuke gladion?
the damage tier list doc doesn't list Gladion for some reason 
oh wait it does. it just lists Gladion under normal type instead of under every type like it used to
Well, Mina outnukes Gladion by a million
dark osprey
More of that mandatory "must cancel the sandstorm" thing
Candice not gridded? Might as well nuked with her instead of Winona
Or offtyped with a fighting team with ssa Cynthia
prime warren
Well, Mina outnukes Gladion by a million
It's with zone
And the inherent setup issues also matter
swift swan
damage list also considers zone for gladion. two separate entries, even
Mina might take longer to set up but her damage is more satisfactory
prime warren
Ghetsis alone only gets -12 debuff on opponent
PP needs -18 to max
If opponent has inherent buffs it would go even less depending on that
Tho tbf gladion running another dps is what makes him better
As a sole dps Mina is a better unit
Oh nvm PP is maxed already as well 
prime warren
Yea I mixed em up
I have no idea if small numbers matter or the big one does
Seems like gladion win unless Mina is feeded 20 PUs as well
mina ex where dena
I assumed kukui, gladion, Hilbert and ghetsis, Mina, Hilbert
Oh yea
I should have just assumed nanu
full mesa
Minimal difference.
But did you take into account the def drops from Hilbert? Mina can power up even more with - def on opponents.
mellow linden
I just realized, because I’ve managed to luck into Gordie while trying to complete the Greninja duo, I can run the most optimal SS Hilda comp against Glacia next week
Curious to see how much those V-Creates do
prime warren
But did you take into account the def drops from Hilbert? Mina can power up even...
Hilbert isn't dropping defenses when he's busy setting up
Not to mention flinch is better eitherways due to both options being straight up mediocre
Also I only assumed -3 def drop coz it's first sync
keen silo
Or offtyped with a fighting team with ssa Cynthia
I did try that with Diantha SC and Bea, both didn't have enough dps
keen silo
Candice not gridded? Might as well nuked with her instead of Winona
Idk, she's 4 star, and lack of power ups
summer flare
I could grid mina regardless, but I don't have power ups to get her to 5 stars
Gladion, however is already EX
Also, I feel like mina's optimal lucky skill would be super powered 3
zealous karma
Mina works at 3* and 4* she doesn’t need 5*
summer flare
Given there's no way in hell I'll use her to offtype
So ghetsis fully sets her up before sync, right?
summer flare
does she fully set herself up?
patent torrent
summer flare
oh now I see
she has charm
so she doesn't need ghetsis
she could have bp clemont instead for max defense reduction for sync
or a secondary carry, if gauge somehow allows this
void wyvern
Sonia/Hilbert, Mina, and then a choice of Bp clemont, colress, or SS wally.
long thicket
I did try my strongest Bug team against 2k Sidney, and it didn't go that well.
But it was a first try, so maybe I just need to approach it differently.
It happens to be the team recommended, 5/5 Aaron (might EX? I just need to spend spirits), and subway bros.
I didn't counter Dark zone, which I'll try to focus on next time.
keen jasper
I did try my strongest Bug team against 2k Sidney, and it didn't go that well.
B...
Question is, what round your trying to do him?
long thicket
First one.
keen jasper
First one.
Do you have someone to handle the dark zone?
long thicket
Ingo can replace it with Bug zone, right?
long thicket
I only failed the first try.
molten nimbus
bad news, she has lessen 9 for poison, bad poison, and trap
f, she's basically Hoenn flint then
swift swan
damn it cerena
subtle forge
Lol
normal falcon
do any of these teams work for r3 glacia/phoebe at 2k?
i kinda screwed myself by doing drake and sidney first but now im in a situation
also trying to save Cerena for steven
dark osprey
Try offtyping with lussamine, Bianca and a decent special defensive support
There are very few that provide special defense and crit I guess
Maybe even Lyra with light screen to survive sync as well
sweet crater
It's that time of the week again
I'm getting whupped by 2k Glacia
She just AOEs off the bat and it's painful
My best Steel-type is 5/5 Steven
Any suggestions
manic mica
I just used an F2P friendly team if you have a better phys support it prolly wil...
@zealous karma video is too fast will u share those sync grid , lucky skills set-up separately pls
dark osprey
Any suggestions
Offtype with your best special attacker
Or try post sync with Steven a special defense buffer and can either put in a sleep hax in the midst or a flinch defense debuffer or even a special attack debuffer
sweet crater
I've been using Steven/BPMorty/BPBugsy
Mostly since Bugsy had Atk/Crit buffs with gauge acceleration and defense debuffs
And Morty had Confusion+Flinch with Def/SpDef buffs and refreshable potions
Still got wrecked because Blizzard just hits everyone too hard
Metagross just dies to unlucky crits
I'll probably try to offtype this
jovial stump
my god, watching some videos and after syncing with a ex support, never thought Sygna suit N and kyurem were that powerful
im struggling doing 2k ice
ghetsis is not enough, Ice is still the weakest type i have
dark osprey
What's your sequence of moves?
zealous karma
<@350412853825765416> video is too fast will u share those sync grid , lucky ski...
You can always pause the video btw
jovial stump
What's your sequence of moves?
I use exed ingo and excadrill, exed anni en and exed ghetsis
do i have to change the support or somehow change the weather too so i don't get railed too hard?
guess ill have to offtype with ss lusamommy
dark osprey
Ah that team should work
Shall put that up shortly
@jovial stump sorry for the ping. This may help. Honestly may not need ghetsis, can put in MR if you have him. Notice how I save SS Ns freeze shock first for the 2EX support sync buff and then for the 3 sync buff 40% boosted one
You can use the same technique with any defensive EX support I reckon and can keep the third as a flincher/defense debuffer
For eg Jasmine steelix and nanu or something
Did do this on round 1 which helps with the initial earthquakes though
Can try with Candice to support SSN with hail and can nuke as well
jovial stump
tried candice failed
dark osprey
Candice, SSN and EX support should work
jovial stump
for some reason when i fight, the sandstorm is infinite....
dark osprey
Oh round 2?
steel kelp
Change weather
dark osprey
Then just set hail and get infinite hail
steel kelp
If they do sync they’ll set up sand again
dark osprey
SSN should kill before sync for sure
zealous karma
They said anni N 🦑
dark osprey
They didn't say either
zealous karma
dark osprey
Oh God. I messed up bad
zealous karma
What parameters are you using pointer?
Because this stage isn’t exactly tough especially with Ghetsus and Ex support
dark osprey
Do you have Lucian btw?
jovial stump
i have lucian
dark osprey
Ghetsis Lucian and an EX support should work great
dark osprey
Lucian just needs to keep growling for sp defense drops and attack drops for pecking order nuke
zealous karma
lucian with aggravation 4 eh?
For growl spam you rarely even touch confusion unless you’re nuking
dark osprey
Ghetsis to glaciate from turn 2 I guess
You would be better off getting ss Morty/ss Kris if you have them since the weather is permanent
Ingo may work if they don't go for many aoes but doubt that the sides will go down that easy since they too have slightly bulked HP
small root
I should use special attack for this phase but I only have physical attackers
Should I sue another type ?
simple storm
If its normal mode not master mode u should be fine
But try to slot in anothe type since u are using 2 steels
simple storm
Yeah i know but u honestly want to unlock master mode
Better rewards
Also raichu buffs solgaleo just fine
U can use skyla to buff speed
small root
Yeah i know but u honestly want to unlock master mode
Yeah it's my 2nd week, kinda the 1st week cuz when I started it was too late to challenge champion stadium
simple storm
Thats fine honestly
small root
U can use skyla to buff speed
I'll try
simple storm
We just switched stadiums
So its fine u can do 15 types maximum
Next week u do 1 battle with 3 remaining and u reset and try master mode
But lets focus on this week first
mellow linden
Eh, 9-12 types is fine for week 1 of a given region, but if you wanna shoot for the full 15 feel free
simple storm
U need the types
To get master mode
If u unlock master mode u can ex pairs
And u really want to ex pairs
small root
I know but as you can see I don't have so much rn
mellow linden
You’ll have a minimum of 6 types (maybe 7 depending on who that mystery pair at the bottom is) done after this Glacia fight, so you’re pretty close to the 9-12 already
simple storm
Honestly its not that hard even for begginers
small root
I have Serena that carried me the dark type stage
simple storm
Ok try this fight and come back when u beat it
mellow linden
Ah, that’s the mystery pair. 6 types added minimum after Glacia then
old orchid
Just remember to fill the remaining 9 types next week 
small root
Just remember to fill the remaining 9 types next week <:NatePumped:7797328534904...
I'll
long thicket
Ended up beating Sidney with Guzma as a striker.
I might avoid Phoebe for now because this round 2 seems to have permanent zone.
mellow linden
Yep, just tackle them on the round you feels works best for you
Be wary of half Sync countdown on Round 3
long thicket
Did Phoebe, but I clutched her HARD
Synced with Sidney repeatedly.
Cyrus lost first despite sleep chain spam
Sidney lost while weakening the side.
Had enough speed to have Piers finish the sides with a sync and two turns.
void wyvern
Is Phoebe’s sole gimmick ghost zone?
normal falcon
Yeah, ghost zone before sync
idk if its her only gimmick but its the one screwin me over the most
void wyvern
It is just a straight 50% to her sync
Might be possible to beat her physically if you have enough patience.
normal falcon
My only zone setters i have are
-SSR Cynthia, which, while good, doesnt solve the issue of ghost zone
-C.Calem, which sets zone too slowly without Cerena, who im saving for sync
-Courtney, which while not bad on her own, my best Ground pair is SSGio, who i dont think is too good here :(
keen jasper
I just dealt with Phoebe before she could sync
mellow linden
My only zone setters i have are
-SSR Cynthia, which, while good, doesnt *solve*...
Champ Calem could handle replacing Zone on his own just fine, the issue would be needing to save the Buddy Move until Ghost Zone is set
formal vigil
You could bring darach
Lowers attack and defogs ghost zone away
Or just tank it the sync with ghost zone with defensive buffs and just flinch /sleep stall her so she doesn't attack you while ghost zone is up or just kill her quickly after she syncs
formal musk
i have a question
is mm without points the same as hard lv 1 cs or is it harder
main crow
The same
bleak eagle
any order for the rounds?
sick stump
any order for the rounds?
Not necessarily, but it is advised to use your 'best' team Round 3, due to half sync cooldown.
Glacia is also pretty scary on Round 4, so try avoid that if you can as well.