Champion Stadium

[river pagoda]

Hilbert 1/5

[mellow linden]

Oh, another thing to be wary of with Water weak Flint is that he has Good Form and Rising Tide

[void wyvern]

I love how useless Hilbert is until 3/5

[mellow linden]

So stupid damage output as usual

[river pagoda]

What does 3/5 give him

Only units tht have physical water moves 😔

[mellow linden]

Namely Critical Squad 2 on his Trainer Move, which lets him max Attack and crit in 2 turns with it

[river pagoda]

Oh wow

Nice

[mellow linden]

Depending on your roster you could probably off-type. Worst case scenario there's always Poison stall

[river pagoda]

I don't have a poison team built up 😩 I've just been going these past 2 weeks rushing to build units I need for the coming week's CS

[mellow linden]

Fortunately Poison stall doesn't necessarily need huge amounts of investment, though it would be more RNG

[river pagoda]

Unlocked MM first time this week and I was told to try for like 4.2k MM clear so I'ma try tht first before building for next week ig

[river pagoda]

What's it even Abt? Does poison stop moves or somrtin?

[mellow linden]

Tank + Janine (regular one, with Ariados) + someone with Toxic or Poison Fang (Lucy, Koga, and BP Erika are all great picks)

[river pagoda]

Oo

I have koga 5/5 I heard he nukes well

[mellow linden]

The key is Janine or another Attack/Sp. Atk. debuffer, so that you can actually tank long enough to stall them out

Anyways, I gotta go now, so best of luck with figuring out the rest of your teams!

[river pagoda]

Aight

Ty for the info I'll c what I can do

[void wyvern]

Koga does nuke very well.

Especially when paired with Janine

[river pagoda]

Ok NVM I swapped em

I have Janine 5/5 koga is 1/5

[lunar dawn]

I just used ash
But it seems almost made for her yea

[swift swan]

probably, yeah

[toxic cobalt]

How doe sAnimay counter Flint?

[lunar dawn]

psychic type go brrrr

[keen jasper]

Because of the -2 Sp. Atk.

[lunar dawn]

and that

though honestly I just slapped Ghetsis on the team I used

[keen jasper]

Let's see how expanded grid Kris fares against water-weak Flint next week

[swift swan]

tech nuke and terrain to counter Fllint's bulky HP

also something about sp attack debuffs? I'm not familiar with anni May's kit

[keen jasper]

Unexpected Benefit x2, guaranteed debuff along with Double Drop

[winter glen]

anni may doesnt have unexpected benefit x2, that's ssbrendan

[keen jasper]

She does?

[winter glen]

ohw ait nvm its her mega that does

though you'd have to get her to sync first 🤔

[keen jasper]

Doesn't base still have that passive?

[winter glen]

no

base is oar1

[keen jasper]

Hmmmm ok

[winter glen]

which still gives mist ball a 100% proc rate but it wont double drop

[void wyvern]

Oar1 sounds really funny out loud

[trail smelt]

… oh crap I forgot that’s happening

[lunar dawn]

Cyrus go brrrrrr

(don't tell me he has wise entry x2 again istg)

[swift swan]

she should

water-weak flint favors physical attack

because he lowers your sp attack a lot

that was my first time using nessa as a water damage dealer for CS and damn she hits like a truck

[toxic cobalt]

No ground weak for new Clay grid

[swift swan]

welp

[toxic cobalt]

Someone discovering Nessa

No poison for Roxie either!

And Cheren is...

Sad

[swift swan]

last week of CS types usually correlate to the new units for december, no?

[keen jasper]

So anyways, I started setting up

[toxic cobalt]

Not always. I have a feeling they usually fit at least 2 of the new grids generally.

I guess this time they think the power boosts are more important

Water for Kris and Dark for Lysandre

[trail smelt]

Aaron that bloody coward decided to only be Electric Weak once when Ash and SST Red is around

But his initial appearance had it TWICE

[toxic cobalt]

Weirdly I found Aaron week 3 easier than Aaron week 1.

Field parameters innit

[swift swan]

oh yeaaah, lysandre

I associate lysandre as a flying damage dealer

[winter glen]

lysandre's 5/5 grid is disgusting

[swift swan]

I KNOW RIGHT???

GAAAAH

[trail smelt]

I believe so

[keen jasper]

Guess we know why Lysandre wanted to kill most people

[trail smelt]

First week had the flinch more often one

Which was the key reason I beat Aaron LMAO

[swift swan]

flinching the heal order is the most satisfying thing you can ever do

[trail smelt]

But I dislike having to rely on HAX

[trail smelt]

GOD YES

[toxic cobalt]

I used flinch to get rid of Flint's sunny day

No weather for you

[swift swan]

oh yeah, I did too. and I didn't even intend it to flinch lmao

I just got very lucky

[keen jasper]

It's more satisfying to flinch it without Aggravation

[void wyvern]

Hey hey!

[candid juniper]

Hey hey

[keen jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-a-man-has-fallen-into-a-river-in-lego-city-legos-wave-hey-there-gif-16373202

[toxic cobalt]

New fangled units with their wishes. When I was young type field effects were Pokemon moves and that was the way we liked it.

[void wyvern]

Flinching is fun. But nothing hits differently than a triple flinch from rock slide or twister

[keen jasper]

Without Aggravation

[winter glen]

lmao and then you factor in the aoe penalty

[toxic cobalt]

But then you'd need a good rock slide units

[trail smelt]

Annie Skyla triple flinching right before nuking was chef’s kiss

[void wyvern]

I actually pulled for emmet

[swift swan]

ugggh yeah. zones being trainer moves means you can't flinch it away

[winged scaffold]

Ok new problem

[winter glen]

a triple flinch on a rock slide without aggrivation is a 10%^3 chance

[swift swan]

grant

[winged scaffold]

SS Hilda keeps getting KOed too fast

[void wyvern]

Don’t tempt me

[winter glen]

0.1% chance lmao

[trail smelt]

Wait who are you fighting

[winged scaffold]

Like Brutal Swing does half her health bar

[toxic cobalt]

And yet I've done it

[trail smelt]

Aaron?

[winged scaffold]

Yep

[toxic cobalt]

Garbage tier pair

[swift swan]

I used grant vs Latios for some weird flinch lock shenanigans. it was fun

[trail smelt]

What’s your team?

[winter glen]

i was the victim

[toxic cobalt]

Too true

[lunar dawn]

Honestly I use those two for offtype anyway

[trail smelt]

I assume you don’t have SSMorty available

[winged scaffold]

Victini Genesect Swana

[winter glen]

laughs in latios' salamence bar 2

[winged scaffold]

I do not

[winter glen]

sun setter silver marley

[trail smelt]

Hmm interesting, going for fire rebuff huh

[toxic cobalt]

Let’s see how your resolve holds next week

[winged scaffold]

Yep

Unfortunately, SS Hilda is usually dead by first sync

[void wyvern]

Beat Aaron without using a rat

Challenge impossible

[trail smelt]

How unusual, she couldn’t kill Aaron before then?

[swift swan]

Electric-weak Aaron is overrated. I beat it with non-EX Hau

wait, alolan raichu is still a rat

[void wyvern]

Hehe

[lunar dawn]

Is he electric weak next week

[trail smelt]

God don’t make me force Elesa past Aaron

[lunar dawn]

I wanna try it with 1/5 nkrom

👀

[winged scaffold]

Would NY Volkner Work?

[trail smelt]

Doing it once was ENOUGH

[void wyvern]

The ideal choice

[trail smelt]

NY Volkner is fine yeah

[void wyvern]

Also no classic Elesa. Emolga is a rat.

[winged scaffold]

Soloing elec weak Aaron with Joltik

[lunar dawn]

Um actually he's a flying squirrel 🤓

[winged scaffold]

I made an alignment chart for Elec Weak Aaron

[void wyvern]

Unova’s rat

[candid juniper]

See, what if you try using sycamore

[trail smelt]

Wait

[lunar dawn]

Hilda self buffs and doesn't have a gauge issue, is sycamore for hilbert

[void wyvern]

Use Ex Skyla, Ss Hilda, and Blaine.

[trail smelt]

What’s BP Sophocles again

[candid juniper]

Set up crit with Hilbert and start attacking right away with hilda, and move gauge acceleration mpr to keep gauge from falling apart

[void wyvern]

Physical wild charge dps

[trail smelt]

Oh that’s a no for easy times then lol

[lunar dawn]

You're buffing defense with skyla right

And making your support attacked first

[winter glen]

bpsophocles does some pretty good damage

[toxic cobalt]

And has actual recoil removal

[trail smelt]

Yeah but electric weak Aaron has Sentry Entry x2

[winged scaffold]

Yes

[void wyvern]

Does he actually?

[trail smelt]

Which is godawful times for physical electrics lol

[winter glen]

90% innate recoil reduction

[winged scaffold]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/651487042886172682/1036324140132610128/Untitled_drawing_50.png

[lunar dawn]

Guessing that's for physical

[void wyvern]

Are you syncing with Hilda?

[trail smelt]

Yep

[winged scaffold]

Yes

[keen jasper]

Steadfast 9 and 9

[winter glen]

and since he has gradual healing it pretty much cancels out

[winged scaffold]

I thought it was 5 and 9

[lunar dawn]

Well I hate ash 2k offtypes anyway (except for this week's flint weirdly)

[void wyvern]

Sync with Skyla if she’s ex

[trail smelt]

I completely forgot Jolteon existed

Lol

[void wyvern]

Gives better damage

[winged scaffold]

She is not

[winter glen]

standfast 9 innate, 3 on grid

for 93% total reduction

[swift swan]

LMAOOO I DIDN'T KNOW THIS GEM EXISTED

[trail smelt]

I never would have remembered Archie hadThunder too haha

[lunar dawn]

Just realized

[candid juniper]

Okay I want you to try something

[void wyvern]

I’m actually going to have to go lawful evil

[toxic cobalt]

Where is poison stall

[dark osprey]

they did miss out NY Volkner too didnt they?

[candid juniper]

I just semi tested it with sssteven, and it should be way more effective with SShilda

[swift swan]

O h y e a h
What if I go with SST Red/SS Hilbert/Hau

[winged scaffold]

Counts as off typing in my book

[swift swan]

[void wyvern]

Blegh. Poison stall is yucky

[candid juniper]

How good is your sycamore @winged scaffold ?

[swift swan]

I've seen ss elesa thunder dps against aaron

[toxic cobalt]

Actually it’s True Neutral

[dark osprey]

i guess better to get a special attack buffer to buff SSTR special Max move

[winged scaffold]

Pretty good 120 gridded 5/5 20/20

[winged scaffold]

Goes under other elec units I forgot about

[void wyvern]

You right you right. My bad.

[candid juniper]

Okay, I want you to try running him instead of skyla and syncing with him instead

[winter glen]

just use striker raichu lmao

[winged scaffold]

He doesn't buff defense though?

[swift swan]

Sst red will just be for terrain and chipping at sides. I wanna nuke with my EX Hau

[trail smelt]

Does Aaron hit with special attacks?

[candid juniper]

Get mpr on his grid and max healing

[candid juniper]

Nope, it’s purely for move gauge accel and tanking

[void wyvern]

Aarons sync will melt the team down

[winged scaffold]

Only right side rarely

[void wyvern]

Aaron is solely physical

[candid juniper]

You’re gonna take out Aaron presync

It’s way possible

[winter glen]

support tauros thunderbolt dps

[void wyvern]

NOOOO

[winged scaffold]

I don't think my Victini is strong enough for that

[lunar dawn]

he is

[winged scaffold]

Note: my Victini

[candid juniper]

How much damage do they do pre your first sync to Aaron

[lunar dawn]

Do you have SS Erika

[swift swan]

Nah, it's absolutely strong enough for that

[winged scaffold]

Lemme try again to get some numbers

[winged scaffold]

Yes

[candid juniper]

Perfect

[toxic cobalt]

Bad iv s

[void wyvern]

What’s the team again?

[lunar dawn]

the reason I ask that is because she has propulsion, sunny day, and quickly charges gauge in sun

[winged scaffold]

Was Skyla Gilbert Shillda, gonna try Sycamore SSerika and Shillda

[candid juniper]

She can’t tank though, and that’s giving up on ss Hilbert dps and rebuff

[candid juniper]

That last team is an abomination please don’t

For Aaron that is

[lunar dawn]

i was gonna suggest saving hilbert for later, forgot he's not on type elsewhere

[void wyvern]

What round are we on?

[lunar dawn]

1

[candid juniper]

1

[void wyvern]

Why aren’t we doing Skyla Hilbert Blaine again?

[toxic cobalt]

RIP his gimmick

Why are we wasting Skyla on Aaron?

[candid juniper]

Because he doesn’t have ex

[candid juniper]

I’m trying to prevent that

[void wyvern]

Should be fine without

[lunar dawn]

just do sycamore hilbert and SS Erika / Blaine

the problem is apparently damage is really low, I think there's some other issue

[candid juniper]

Well apparently, their hilda dps is lesser, and if that dps is lesser, then so is their sync

[lunar dawn]

the dps with her and hilbert should be higher than my 1/5 hilbert

[candid juniper]

I’m waiting for them to come back with solid numbers for how much their dps is with ss hilda

[toxic cobalt]

Why are we wasting Sycamore on Aaron?

[void wyvern]

[candid juniper]

Move gauge accel

[lunar dawn]

Aaron's like the second hardest this week

actually no

[candid juniper]

To dual damage with hilda and Hilbert

[lunar dawn]

my account is different I forgot

💀

[winged scaffold]

Ok so I should try Sycamore Hilda Gilbert?

[void wyvern]

I’ve seen more people seeking help with steel Bertha

[lunar dawn]

Yeah steel Bertha sucks

[candid juniper]

Well, the tools needed to beat that one are much more limited

[toxic cobalt]

It’s Bertha->Flint->Aaron->Lucian. This ain’t week 1 anymore.

[winged scaffold]

Gonna try and use Kimono Grimesly for Bertha, pray for me

[candid juniper]

Yes, but I want to know how much damage your hilda is dealing on a basic v create

[swift swan]

It's Bertha > Lucian > Flint > Aaron > Cynthia for me

[lunar dawn]

for me personally Aaron was the hardest but that was because I was trying to save my offtypes. It's 12am and I just forgot that

[toxic cobalt]

Please don’t use Sycamore for Aaron he is a physical attacker

[swift swan]

why offtype? fire damage dealers are oversaturated

[winged scaffold]

Not using V Create, using Searing Shot

[void wyvern]

Use v create

[candid juniper]

WELL THERES YOUR PROBLEM

[void wyvern]

Hehe, I was waiting for it

[candid juniper]

NEVER MIND GO BACK TO SKYLA

[winged scaffold]

WELL SORRY

[void wyvern]

Before shadefire loses his mind

[candid juniper]

IM DYING

[winged scaffold]

V CREATE WAS JUST USING TOO MUCH GAUGE ALONG WITH TECHNO BLAST AND THE TIPS SAID TO USE SPECIAL MOVES

AND I THOUGHT AFTER METAL SOUND SEARING SHOT WOULD DO MORE

[candid juniper]

I LEAVE EVERYTHING IN MY POSSESSION TO @lunar dawn, MY FELLOW HELPER BLAAAAARG

[swift swan]

don't mind the tips

[candid juniper]

Ignore the tips always

[void wyvern]

Well they’re recovering

[swift swan]

they're not that helpful usually

[winged scaffold]

I was also doing the special moves parameter

[candid juniper]

It really shouldn’t matter

[keen jasper]

You can use any DD against Aaron, he's just more vulnerable to Sp. Def. debuffs

[lunar dawn]

i tried to leave okay 💀

[winged scaffold]

So I thought all of those things told me to use special moves but then I remember Spread moves are garbage in this game

[lunar dawn]

only reason i had input is because I started the game at the same time

[void wyvern]

Use Skyla and set up her tm. With Hilda tm turn one and mash v create

With SS Hilbert do tm dire hit plus and then techno blast sync with Hilda and then setup his tm again

[candid juniper]

I’m sorry, I was just giving you my roster in my will

[toxic cobalt]

Aren’t they…the same gauge?

[void wyvern]

You should be fine

[void wyvern]

Recharging strikes

[candid juniper]

Both combined

[winged scaffold]

Yeah but Searing SHOT recovers 3 gauge per use

[swift swan]

?? v create and searing shot are both 4-gauge moves, I don't see the difference when it comes to gauge management

[void wyvern]

Recharging strikes

[lunar dawn]

Searing shot has more mg refresh iirc

[winged scaffold]

^

[lunar dawn]

Yeah that

[candid juniper]

Both at the same time

[toxic cobalt]

How slow is this team???

[lunar dawn]

Oh I didn't know what you meant

[candid juniper]

It has skyla which is why I’m confused

[void wyvern]

Pretty average tbh

[lunar dawn]

No you didn't do anything wrong

[candid juniper]

Yeah I was dying, it was a whole thing

[toxic cobalt]

Time to tank with Marley

[winged scaffold]

I mean Skyla's Take Flight didn't Refresh last time

[swift swan]

with hilda on the team? And AOE speed? I think it's average

[void wyvern]

Marley tank is so based

[candid juniper]

Against Aaron?!?

[toxic cobalt]

Yeah Aaron is weak

[candid juniper]

It won’t even tank a mega horn

[swift swan]

I mean, no need to worry if you kill him quickly

reset until you don't get a mega horn

[candid juniper]

Oh dear

[void wyvern]

Run terrify 1 and shielding strikes on Marley. You can barely live mega horn

[winged scaffold]

Earthquake did over 700 to me post sync

[toxic cobalt]

Well there’s your problem

[candid juniper]

I wish I had SShilda so I could actually help with these teams

[winged scaffold]

I am not gonna pre sync

[void wyvern]

I’m 99% sure you can

[winged scaffold]

I like physically can't

[candid juniper]

Yes you are

[winged scaffold]

Skill issue

[void wyvern]

Strategy issue

[toxic cobalt]

SS Hilda issue

[void wyvern]

We’ll solve it

[swift swan]

once you experience presync, you'll never go back

[candid juniper]

I highly doubt you cannot with both sshilda and ss Hilbert

[swift swan]

it's so much better

[void wyvern]

Shadefire, next idea

[swift swan]

and safer

[winged scaffold]

I'm not good enough at Quad queing

[lunar dawn]

You don't have to

[winged scaffold]

Well it's not that

[void wyvern]

so Skyla ss Hilbert Blaine looks great right about now

[keen jasper]

I'd just do max HP and max offensive parameters nowadays, I think that's more safer than having strength 6

[lunar dawn]

Not imo

[void wyvern]

We’re on hard mode. Thankfully. I think.

[candid juniper]

It really doesn’t, I tried that on my own

[lunar dawn]

Max HP on Aaron is 50k

[swift swan]

are we?

[void wyvern]

I hope

[lunar dawn]

^4+^6+^2 *25k = 62k

[winged scaffold]

I'm on Master Mode?

[candid juniper]

Strength up is generally better

[keen jasper]

Any fire damage dealer can literally destroy fire-weak Aaron

[void wyvern]

It’s worked for at least 3 other people. How puzzling

[candid juniper]

Really? Were their skylas ex???

[keen jasper]

What's your team again?

[void wyvern]

One without

[winged scaffold]

Shillda Gilbert Swanna

[void wyvern]

Although we got lucky

[toxic cobalt]

Can we have a screenshot on your first sync?

[candid juniper]

Yeah it probably took an hour for flinch luck

[keen jasper]

Just replace SS Hilbert for a sun setter

[winged scaffold]

Did around 5K

[void wyvern]

We just barely tanked sync and got away

[toxic cobalt]

This is not a screenshot!

[keen jasper]

It will deal more damage than debuffing Sp. Def.

[winged scaffold]

Ok lemme get one

[candid juniper]

Well our current charge’s hilda is level 120

[lunar dawn]

this is what i initially said but I'm realizing rebuff and the extra dps from hilbert may help more

[candid juniper]

I don’t think we can get away with that

[void wyvern]

Okay second thought

Why aren’t we running Hilda in sun?

[candid juniper]

That’s a much better question

[lunar dawn]

They have SS erika

I brought this up earlier

[void wyvern]

Blaine

[keen jasper]

30% extra damage from rebuff from a single target vs. 50% extra damage from weather that affects everyone

[void wyvern]

Hilbert is too expensive

[candid juniper]

But this time, what if we don’t pair them with sycamore

[void wyvern]

New plan!

[keen jasper]

Yeah, rebuff is definitely better /s

[lunar dawn]

is Blaine really better?
Without propulsion and gauge speed increase

[void wyvern]

30% prop

[keen jasper]

Skyla provides speed and Blaine's speed stat is so high even at 4*

[lunar dawn]

I'm asking not correcting because I am new

[lunar dawn]

OH RIGHT WE'RE RUNNING SKYLA
I used sonia so I forgot

[void wyvern]

Also Blaine provides trapping

And burn

Burn is hot

[keen jasper]

Besides, Hilda maxes out her own buffs so she just needs some gauge control

So Skyla will definitely be of use

[void wyvern]

Run Skyla, SS Hilda, and Blaine. Set up sun for sync and mash v create

[lunar dawn]

No yea skyla is the play

[keen jasper]

If Skyla isn't EX-ed, then sync purely with Hilda

[void wyvern]

I love how we spent 10 minutes arguing over this when we just needed to ask the right questions

[candid juniper]

Are they even still here?

[void wyvern]

Hehe, but it’s fun.

[keen jasper]

[lunar dawn]

They might be trying an old team we suggested like 10mins ago

[void wyvern]

Don’t know. It got a little chaotic

[lunar dawn]

💀

[void wyvern]

Oops

Let’s uh. Settle down

[candid juniper]

Lmao

[void wyvern]

Less arguing more hand holding

[candid juniper]

🤝

[void wyvern]

although it is fun to scream at shadefire

[void wyvern]

🤝

[candid juniper]

Right back at ya, buckaroo

[void wyvern]

[keen jasper]

Also, since Hilda can refill 3 gauges with her Searing Shot, she doesn't really need much gauge support

[swift swan]

are ya winning, son

[void wyvern]

Yes and no

[lunar dawn]

🤝

[keen jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/wobble-pensive-emoji-pensive-ish-wobblepensive-gif-26167268

[candid juniper]

The whole point is that our charge was purely using searing shot, maybe we just need to teach them nuance of using both?

[lunar dawn]

I tried searing shot btw

[void wyvern]

Nuance is a little bit hard to communicate I’ve found

Sometimes you can use complicated strategies, sometimes not

[lunar dawn]

Actually nvm

[candid juniper]

And?

[lunar dawn]

Thought it was doing 1.2k but that's the offtype

I originally did 2K Aaron with SS Hilda leaf and roxanne

[void wyvern]

What’s searing shot power compared to v create?

[lunar dawn]

But reset

[void wyvern]

I did 2k Aaron with flint

[lunar dawn]

149 vs 210, searing shot is also a spread move so power down

[void wyvern]

Blegh. That’s so bad

[swift swan]

quite a lot

[keen jasper]

I did 2k Aaron with so many DDs, but 2 units are the same, and those are SS Morty and Lucian

[candid juniper]

I saw that earlier, you’re a madman

[void wyvern]

So. Many. Resets

[swift swan]

oh to have Lucian

[void wyvern]

Do you not have lucian?

[candid juniper]

I’ve never had to think about fire week, I picked ssred from victory road

[toxic cobalt]

The worst Sinnoh E4

[keen jasper]

I managed to net a 61k Hyper Beam with Blue Arcanine with 3 sync buffs, SEUN and -6 Sp. Def. on a side unit

[swift swan]

Lucian and Aaron still elude me

I just keep getting fantina from the sinnoh pulls

[toxic cobalt]

Okay so there is a problem with your queuing

[candid juniper]

Sheesh, that’s your dps with hilda?

[winged scaffold]

Around 4k post sync

[void wyvern]

This is Mm

[keen jasper]

That didn't crit

[void wyvern]

I’m starting to question our parameters

[winged scaffold]

No it did not

[toxic cobalt]

The enemy sync counter should be on 3 (bertha not included)

[swift swan]

where are the queues

[candid juniper]

Oh that’s sync never mind

I thought that was vcreate

[swift swan]

if I see a screenshot with no one queueing any moves I go insane

[winged scaffold]

I said I was bad at Quad queing

[toxic cobalt]

I only turned action order on to satisfy people like you

[toxic cobalt]

This isn't quadqueing, this is basic triple queing

Queueing?

Queueueueing

[winged scaffold]

Also I was more focused on getting the screenshot

[candid juniper]

I turned it on for quad quueeeueueueing

[swift swan]

you can't even see the moves being clicked, it's not about the action order

[winged scaffold]

I got significantly farther this time so gonna try for the first sync crit

[keen jasper]

The sides aren't damaged, did you not use Searing Shot or did you just use V-Create?

Just wondering

[swift swan]

yeah, this

[lunar dawn]

Are you queueing before the battle actually starts (i.e. opponents start attacking)

[void wyvern]

also I didn’t queue anything for you nov

[swift swan]

turning on action order has changed my life, cleared my skin, nourished my crops, improved my grades

[void wyvern]

Ngl not having on action hud was terrible

Challenge: play the game without it

[toxic cobalt]

Speaking of nourishing the crops my video is up for those who want to see an actually good fire type, unlike trash like SS Hilda https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1RZer-VBI4

[lunar dawn]

What is action order

💀💀💀💀

Oh

It's the queue visual

Ok.

[swift swan]

I'm scared of opening the video and seeing who this good fire type is

[toxic cobalt]

Well you just discovered Nessa so that's fair

"Nov does not look at my clear thread"

[swift swan]

I have discovered Nessa since April okay 💀

that's how long I've been doing 10k for

one of the units I used for my first ever 10k run

[swift swan]

...now I have

truly one of the fire types ever

[toxic cobalt]

Best one bar in the game

[swift swan]

ngl I saw infernape on your thumbnail and thought you were using flint

before I realized it's the opponent Flint 💀

I was just about to praise you for using flint too smh

[zealous karma]

Fury cutter?

[toxic cobalt]

Shhh

We don't count Noland's new grid

[zealous karma]

Angry

[swift swan]

gasp

[zealous karma]

I’m using Calem for psychic

And I don’t have Ex support

Cries

[swift swan]

classic richu move

[zealous karma]

I’m doing an F2P clear

And used Gio for ghost

Man why can Gio just beat wise entry

[swift swan]

because ontype moves against a x2 entry is just like hitting offtype

[toxic cobalt]

I've used Flint before. He's eh.

[swift swan]

and you and I know Giovanni hits hard even offtype

[toxic cobalt]

I was only testing and I regretted it immediately
after

[swift swan]

after what

[toxic cobalt]

Forgetting and winning the stage

[zealous karma]

Psychic F2Pnoptions feel so limited if you don’t have Gio or 3/5 Calem

You’re ghost clear was way closer than mine

Why didn’t you sync with Gio tho

Oh right will but how crit buffs

[winged scaffold]

I hate Enduring

[toxic cobalt]

Luckily we got Tate last month

[winged scaffold]

I hate it so much

Why does Aaron have First Aid

[toxic cobalt]

Didn’t want to mega him

[winged scaffold]

Who designed this

[toxic cobalt]

These are questions we all ask ourselves at night

[swift swan]

endurance isn't much of a problem. it's the first aid

at least it's only first aid 2

[swift swan]

Sinnoh CS stage designers were on crack

some had a grudge against classic blue. some had a grudge against Raihan

some just... really love sc submas and want us to use them

[toxic cobalt]

“Deny the sides with the unit we never reran will you? Well let’s see you try that now buddy.”

[swift swan]

oh yeah... was Leon recommended for Aaron?

[dark osprey]

probably Anni N

[toxic cobalt]

Pretty sure SSGiovanni was recommended for literally everyone

[zealous karma]

Why

[swift swan]

I remember anni N being recommended too, yeah. that's why Aaron's weak to sp defense debuffs I think

because of N's mind games

[zealous karma]

Was anni n leon and SSMorty

[toxic cobalt]

Accessibility

[swift swan]

he was recommended for 3 stages on the same week before he was even announced in a trailer. best day of my CS career

[dark osprey]

and the endurance thing is negated with piercing blows

[swift swan]

LMAO

and all 3 has never rerun

[zealous karma]

That might’ve been for hoenn then

[zealous karma]

And syncs

[dark osprey]

hah yeah. Silver sync just first sync KOed that bug

[toxic cobalt]

Two fall units

From different years

[void wyvern]

Fall morty is cursed

You did it!

[winged scaffold]

Once again a last minute gust flinch saves me

[void wyvern]

Which stages was he recommended for?

[swift swan]

And the bad ones too. Wow

[swift swan]

Ground, poison, steel weak Sinnoh

[void wyvern]

I’d rather use Acerola than fall morty

[swift swan]

Everyone and their grandma was just recommended ss giovanni

[void wyvern]

And I actually have fall morty at 2/5 and I may 3/5 just for a bad joke

[swift swan]

I want fall morty for the drip but I can't see myself using him, ever

[void wyvern]

I have Ren Cynthia I will never use him

Ever

[winged scaffold]

Had to do the whole thing without speedup so I could actually get my Quad Queues

Also I had the subway Brothers theme playing so I think that motivated me

[void wyvern]

somehow I think your understanding of “quadqueue” is not what everyone uses it as

[winged scaffold]

Well I think it's just queing in general

[void wyvern]

Define quad queuing

[winged scaffold]

That thing where you que two ally moves during your sync is charging and then you use a move right after syncing before your opponent can use a move

[void wyvern]

Yeah that about covers it

You did great with Aaron. Keep it up!

[winged scaffold]

But the thing is I'd usually not press the move after syncing fast enough

So Aaron would be able to sync before I synced twice

Or just sync fast enough in general

[void wyvern]

There are additional factors that can mess with quad queuing

But I actually don’t those.

There’s a lovely video in the pins that explains it

[winged scaffold]

One time I tried to Quad que but I queued Solar Blade instead of X Speed

So by the time I could actually que the move the enemy already acted

[void wyvern]

Just takes a bit of practice.

[winged scaffold]

Anyway, onto Flint: Gio, I hope your hungry!

[void wyvern]

We’ll be here if you require any help.

[toxic cobalt]

I’m only here for memes

[winged scaffold]

Actually since it's physical damage reduction I should probably do Lucian

[toxic cobalt]

Physical damage reduction is meaningless. All it does is prevent quadqueues

Doesn’t do anything to damage in any meaningful way

I’d suggest figuring out who you are doing r3 and r4 and then seeing who is left

[dark osprey]

u cud use the physical damage reduction for rush clears

with the -2 countdown and all

[summer flare]

I feel like I can't quite pull off on type Aaron and that bothers me greatly

[dark osprey]

with Silver?

[summer flare]

Anyone, really

First aid and that sturdy passive

Along with that obscene attack stat

The only way I see myself beating it on type is to overtax my EX materials

[toxic cobalt]

So you’re trying to off type?

[dark osprey]

nuke him with silver

[summer flare]

I am trying to on type

My offtype team is stronger enough that I'd certainly elbow drop the stage

I have a grudge against off typing, however

So I really wanna find a way to beat the stage on type

I was thinking I could try something like masked royal + silver burn to see if I can weaken heracross hard enough that it doesn't near oneshot my tank

[dark osprey]

silver would need a sun setter and someone to at least increase speed for inertia

ideally SS Morty & Lyra or something

if MR, u need SS Morty for sun & tanking

[summer flare]

Aaron is disgusting

Oneshotting Skyla through +6 defense and burn

[toxic cobalt]

Silver doesn't even need that he has powerful dps

(Of course it helps)

[summer flare]

Base silver feels really bad to use

I think blue just hits harder and even then, it isn't hard enough

[dark osprey]

oh. u don't have the powerboost silver?

[summer flare]

No

It's stock silver

[toxic cobalt]

Might feel bad, but it will clear it

[summer flare]

I'm always short a couple moves due to endurance

Because he can't clear sides fast enough without EX

[dark osprey]

ah. that explains the difficulty

[toxic cobalt]

He still can, you just need one of your other pairs to do the final blow

[summer flare]

I don't have any fire striker with EX

By the time he hits the sides he's alone

Heracross hits too hard

Regardless of parameter, his damage is simply unreasonable

[toxic cobalt]

The plan is to not get Megahorned

I cleared with Silver, MC Torchic, and Acerola

[summer flare]

Even pin missile hits hard if I don't -6 atk burn +6 def

Is your silver stock as well?

[toxic cobalt]

Yep base Silver

Sadly that's the exact battle my phone failed so I don't have a recording

unless

what round are you on?

[summer flare]

4

[toxic cobalt]

Dauntless Silver?

[summer flare]

Yes

I've played two setups that would be solved by EX

Hilda Hilbert Hop

Arca Blue Darach Skyla

[toxic cobalt]

Since it's R4, did you try a sacred Fire grid?

[summer flare]

Yes

[summer flare]

Alright

I decided to mix and match the grids and raise blue to 150

Was enough

It was the wonkiest team I have used in ages

Darach, arca Blue and skyla

Darach was with a debuff/gauge grid

Skyla was using the BV grid

[old orchid]

is your Darach 3/5?

if yes, you should have used him as a nuker

[summer flare]

He is, but it would defeat the purpose of beating it with fire on type

Regardless, Cynthia was a stomp, so Aaron aside, it was a somewhat smooth 10k

Teams were
Round 1 flint: Gio, Sabrina, Bianca
Round 2 Bertha: K grimsley, BP clemont, Sonia
Round 3 Lucian: Morty, misty, Hop
Round 4 Aaron: A Blue, Darach, Skyla
Cynthia: Zinnia, SS blue, SS kris

I guess I need fire EX for fire on type to be consistent

[old orchid]

you dont have SS Red?

[swift swan]

#1011675077764456519 message well seeing how a 4* flannery can nuke aaron, I don't think you need a fire EX

[toxic cobalt]

Oh Nov I tested Flint too

He can clear no problem

Just get quadqueues in

Well, round 1 helps

[swift swan]

[keen jasper]

Oh yeah, I finally damage capped Aaron with Silver

[toxic cobalt]

Take that Aaron!

[keen jasper]

It seems that Silver can only do so much against max HP, defensive and strength params

[swift swan]

how much is "so much", exactly

99k?

[toxic cobalt]

Can’t even do six figures

[keen jasper]

Like almost 40k damage on Aaron, 56k on sides with -6 Def. and SEUN

[storm moss]

Anyone able to help with Bertha for MM?

[mellow linden]

What Steel type damage-dealers do you have and are Hop and Skyla still available?

Also, what round?

[storm moss]

All my steels and she's the last one I'm doing before the champ

[swift swan]

oof, and bertha's a hard-hitter too

ah, raihan

that's the problem

the sides have Wise Entry x3 which triples the base special defense stat

so while Raihan can do normal damage against bertha, he doesn't do too much against the sides

[storm moss]

Yeee

I do have SS gio...

[mellow linden]

K. Grimsley as the damage-dealer should work, SS Giovanni would also probably work

[storm moss]

Ahh I just DIE

I'm doing pre sync

[keen jasper]

Did you buff your team's defense stat?

[storm moss]

Yea

[keen jasper]

What's your team?

[storm moss]

Skylar SS gio and hop

I go gis full stat hop's one the skylas

[mellow linden]

Why pre-Sync

[swift swan]

ss gio should be able to nuke bertha hard enough to presync

[keen jasper]

Is your SS Gio 3/5?

[storm moss]

No 1/5

[keen jasper]

Too bad I guess

I guess 1/5 would be fine?

[storm moss]

K grim is 5/5

[keen jasper]

I saw

But Metal Burst is special

[mellow linden]

Iron Head is physical though

[keen jasper]

And so is his sync

Also cries in me not having K. Grimsley

[mellow linden]

Also Metal Burst is physical

[storm moss]

.... Maybe I should grid K grim ahaha

[keen jasper]

Wait really? I thought it's special?

Well NVM that

Also, K. Grimsley can flinch with Iron Head so you can stall out the sync CD of Bertha

[mellow linden]

Aggravation + Haymaker + Insult to Injury are probably the 3 most important tiles if you're not gonna be using Metal Burst shenanigans

[storm moss]

I've gone that route

Will test it later

[dark osprey]

a 3/5 SS Grim would first sync KO the centre. need to deal with the sides though. one can be metal bursted as well

[old orchid]

This team works fine, but i would replace Hop with someone that can create sand

Do you have Ingo?

Or Bertha?

[versed meteor]

Thats all my support and all my steel, bertha is being a pain

[mellow linden]

Is this Hard Mode or Master Mode?

[verbal karma]

...sigh

guess I can't dodge Hard Mode any longer...

[mellow linden]

Can't say I recommend avoiding Champion Stadium entirely, no

[verbal karma]

I mean, I did Normal Mode

and I was gonna do Hard Mode after that

...but then I saw the extra restrictions

and was immidiately scared away

[mellow linden]

Fair warning: Do not try to face Flint as your 1st fight, the round parameter will make him death incarnate

[verbal karma]

oh, you mean the "use Spec. Atk against opponents with low Spec. Def"?

[mellow linden]

Yes

[verbal karma]

alright, Aaron it is!

[mellow linden]

That one boosts special moves for both you and your opponent

And Flint's gimmick this week is big damage with Fire Blast

As another heads up, try to shoot for using 9-12 different types across your 5 teams so you'll have a bit of an easier time unlocking Master Mode next week

[verbal karma]

hmm...I hope it's okay to immidiately start out with SS Red...

unless there are better less extreme options

[mellow linden]

Unless you plan to use him to off-type he's fine for Aaron

[verbal karma]

well, I should probably tell you which fire type Sync Pairs are even strong enough for me to use:

SS Red & Chairzard
Hilda & Tepig
Ethan & Typhlosion
Blaine & Rapidash
Selena & Delphox
Flint & Infernape
Silver & Ho-oh
Flannery & Torkoal

[mellow linden]

I mean, unless you're planning to switch to someone else and want advice I see no reason to recommend someone other than SS Red for your Fire damage-dealer currently

Also, for future reference it'll be easier to post screenshots of your roster (ideally from the move level menu) if/when you want teambuilding advice

[verbal karma]

oh yeah, I forgot those threads don't have the image posting restrictions

[toxic cobalt]

Hello, thanks for the images! Bertha is big pain this is undeniable. Definitly a use case for Skyla EX, a shame Hop is gone. Think you could get comfortable with SS Grimsley? I don't see a BP Surge is there a BP Surge?

[verbal karma]

Anyway, I have two possible SS Red teams to choose from

which one would be better?

[mellow linden]

The 1st one has more synergy

[toxic cobalt]

Have you considered using that stamina on the ongoing events?

[mellow linden]

Oh wow, what the heck

Yeah, skip ticket the Villain Events if you haven't gotten Ghetsis' EX/Power Boost

[verbal karma]

I have Ghetsis EX'd, but not Power Boosted

[verbal karma]

and I am saving up the stamina for the eventual "spend as much stamina as possible" event that happens regularly

[mellow linden]

You'll have enough for that regardless

[toxic cobalt]

What event is that?

[mellow linden]

You get a minimum of 400+ per day, that's 2800 over the 7 day period when all you need is 2500

[verbal karma]

anyway, back to the original topic: I assume SS Elesa and Skyla don't have much use outside of the SS Red team?

[verbal karma]

...you only get a minimum of 200+ per day, though?

[mellow linden]

SS Elesa and Skyla are useful on a lot of teams, but I can't say whether they'd be better elsewhere without knowing your roster

[mellow linden]

200+ from natural stamina gain and an additional 200 from daily missions

400+ total

[toxic cobalt]

360 from natural stamina game.

gain*

[verbal karma]

wait, hold on, lemme show you all my roster of specifically 5* Sync Pairs first

since that's more relevant

[mellow linden]

I'm gonna suggest using Skyla on your Bertha team instead alongside Aaron and K. Grimsley

[verbal karma]

alright, time to build Aaron

[mellow linden]

For your Lucian team it looks like you've potentially got something good with Fall Acerola + Hilbert (evolve his Dewott btw, huge help for his bulk) + SSR Cynthia, Masked Royal, or some filler spot for type coverage like Spring May

[verbal karma]

...shoot, I forgot to evolve Hilbert's Dewott for some reasons

gotta fix that quick

[mellow linden]

For Flint you've got Anniversary May/Giovanni + Mewtwo/a tank (Nita isn't a bad idea since she has some healing and buffs the team's Speed + provides Ground type for the type medal, but obviously she's not the only choice)

And for Cynthia you can just do something like Marley + SS Serena + Candice

Could throw Mina on the SS Red team to replace Skyla so that you can lower Aaron's Attack and also get more type medal filled out, I suppose

[hidden ore]

They also have Lear

Lear good for Flint I guess?

[mellow linden]

Oh, so they do

[swift swan]

lear, giovanni, anni may, got a lot of options there

I wouldn't recommend Nita tanking flint though, flint is special-based

[mellow linden]

I was just throwing her out as an option since it's only Hard Mode

[verbal karma]

alright, first things first, Round 1: SS Red, SS Elesa & Mina vs Aaron...I hope that will work

[trail smelt]

Wait

You weren’t supposed to fight Flint first?

Lol

[verbal karma]

I was told to avoid Flint in Round 1 at all costs

sooooo...I'mma pick Aaron instead

[trail smelt]

I just nuked flint round 1 haha

[swift swan]

just a recommendation, since he's the only special-based stage this week

if you fight him r1 you're giving him a massive advantage, on top of his 1.3k base special attack

learned that the hard way on week 1

[mellow linden]

My 1 attempt of Round 1 Flint during the 1st week of this Sinnoh run taught me to not try that again with a 1k+ damage Fire Blast nuking Sabrina

[versed meteor]

I have bp tickets i think 2 but no surge

Or should i also use the ticket for the 5 star bp units and which one?

[swift swan]

I was too stubborn and kept fighting her R1. my problem was, I brought SS Dawn and my usual strategy with her is to take ally HP down at start, use dawn's TM once, then moonlight. well guess what. with the special attack up round param, even flamethrower OHKO'd ss dawn

[swift swan]

just bp surge for now

[trail smelt]

Guess I was lucky SSSteven was sturdy enough to take 2 hits haha

[verbal karma]

oh boy, 8 tickets and 5 spirits just for beating one round of Hard Mode

Round 1 vs Aaron was...not too shabby...

[swift swan]

well yeah, they don't want to be too generous

[trail smelt]

Yeah spirits won’t be a problem once you consistently do CS

[swift swan]

more or less you can EX 1 pair in 2 weeks or so

[mellow linden]

It doesn't seem like much individually or in the short term, but it adds up in the long term

[trail smelt]

You’ll drown in them to be quite honest

[swift swan]

I certainly do feel like I'm always short on now though. can't wait to restock on gauntlet

[verbal karma]

alright, Round 2 talks about high Atk...and Flint uses Special Atk instead of Atk...

...I think Flint would be Round 2 material...if I'm not wrong...

[mellow linden]

Round 2 parameter is getting Reflect automatically at the start of the fight

Doesn't do much to help against Flint

Of course, that doesn't mean you can't go against him Round 2 anyways

[verbal karma]

hmm...gotta be smart about this...Bertha can boost her Atk and protect that Atk boost while Lucian can do that on top of lowering my Special Atk...

meanwhile, Flint focuses on Spec. Atk, but can also burn me...and there's also a matter of him having Reflect on Round 2...

[mellow linden]

Keep in mind that crits break through Reflect

[verbal karma]

true true

should then check which of the other 3 teams has a high crit rate (at least based on how I built them)

[mellow linden]

You should always be getting max crit on your damage-dealer

If your damage-dealer isn't hitting +3 crit you need to reexamine your team and/or your gameplay

[versed meteor]

What are the spread moves on the sides for bertha battle

[mellow linden]

Rock Slide. You can use the pomatools link in the pins to check this stuff too, it's a handy thing to have around

[versed meteor]

The tips?

[mellow linden]

There's a link in the pins in this channel for pomatools' Champion Stadium section. It lets you look at the movesets and notable passives for all the different iterations of the Elite 4/Champion for every region

[versed meteor]

Ok thanks

[verbal karma]

hmm...okay, K. Grimsley has easy access to +3 crit and +6 Atk at the cost of -6 Def and -6 Spec Def...is what I would have said, if I wouldn't have given him Dauntless as a Lucky Skill!!!

[swift swan]

...dauntless k grimsley?

[verbal karma]

...wait, I forgot

Bertha attacks with Atk instead of Spec. Atk

I gotta switch out Dauntless

oh, whoops

K. Grimsley uses Stalwart

it's Dauntless that I want

I want the Def reduction prevention

not the Spec Def reduction prevention

[swift swan]

you're thinking of unbending, which protects against defense debuffs

[quaint solar]

Nevermind @frosty axle I was able to win it with flinch RNG with this team. The dragon stage mission in MM

[verbal karma]

ah, thanks

[swift swan]

but honestly it doesn't matter if he has neither. that's the whole point of K. Grimsley. you lower your defense and sp defense as much as possible, so you take as much damage as possible (and survive due to endurance), and hit back with Metal Burst as hard as possible

[verbal karma]

oh yeah, just saw that last blurb about Metal Burst's damage getting boosted the more hurt Bisharp is

in that case, I want the Attack to not be lowered

alright, about to get ready for Round 2: Aaron (2), Skyla (1) & Kimono Grimsley (3) vs Bertha

any objections?

[mellow linden]

You also don’t need to use K. Grimsley’s Trainer Move until you’re ready to do Metal Burst shenanigans with Aaron on the team

Assuming Aaron has his Trainer Move MP Refresh he handles Attack and crit

[swift swan]

metal burst is kinda tricky, being a two-turn move. might take some practice and sometimes RNG, praying you get hit by a powerful move

[winged scaffold]

Me: I don't have any Ghost Physical attackers except Drifblim! I guess I'm gonna have to offty-

I was not expecting this team to work as well as it does

Especially since Ruff Buff did not refresh which meant that every other attack Gladion was not critting

[swift swan]

ayoooo #GladionSweep

[keen jasper]

Like EQ or High Horsepower

[verbal karma]

Aaron has one Trainer Move MP Refresh and one Trainer Move Precision Pals...that good enough?

[mellow linden]

Yes, you just need to fish for an MP Refresh

[frosty axle]

gratz an interesting team

[mellow linden]

That actually is a pretty interesting team, yeah

[lunar dawn]

Gladion sweep

[verbal karma]

OH NO

Earthquake can insta-KO Kimono Grimsley

and I didn't even use his Trainer Move yet

[mellow linden]

Crit happened?

[verbal karma]

sadly didn't see if it was a crit...but it probably was 😦

[mellow linden]

Assuming you used Skyla’s Trainer Move it probably was

Been there before, always annoying

[verbal karma]

I did both that and Defend Order

[mellow linden]

Yeah, probably a crit then. Not a lot that can be done about it

[verbal karma]

I should have given him Vigilance

[swift swan]

just RNG then, nothing much that you can do

[steel kelp]

Just redo it

[mellow linden]

Can’t say I recommend Vigilance for 1 fight

[swift swan]

wouldn't recommend. You want him to take as much damage as possible, so him eating a crit when preparing to counter with metal burst is actually a good thing

[mellow linden]

Since K. Grimsley will usually be running Critical Strike 2 for his Lucky Skill

[swift swan]

meanwhile LG soloers

[steel kelp]

Most strikers

[verbal karma]

okay, good point...but I wasn't ready, as you have seen 😦

[swift swan]

well that's just the downside of using k grimsley

he's a gamble

[steel kelp]

No one is ready for crits

Well that is how grimsley is

[mellow linden]

You could fish for Iron Head Flinch too

[steel kelp]

Does he get HE?

Not that uh

[swift swan]

aggravation, yes

[steel kelp]

Staggering I think

[mellow linden]

Aggravation for Iron Head in grid

[swift swan]

...aggravation 1 on Iron Head. disgusting

[steel kelp]

I don’t remember passive names

[mellow linden]

It’s something you’ll just get better at over time

[verbal karma]

and now Kimono Grimsley insta-died to Bertha's Sync Attack instead

[mellow linden]

Did you, by any chance, use his Trainer Move before Bertha Synced?

[verbal karma]

nope

never got around to it

[mellow linden]

Shouldn’t have gone down to it then, assuming you buffed Defense with the Supports

[verbal karma]

I did buff Defense with support

...maybe it was a critical hit?

[mellow linden]

I suppose it could have been a case where the 1st time AoE moves weren’t used before Bertha’s Sync and the 2nd time it was

Could try using Skyla’s Potion to make sure Grimsley is at full HP before Bertha Syncs

[verbal karma]

okay, this time, RNG was on my side

no Crit on Earthquake, no Crit on Sync Attack

didn't even need to use Kimono Grimsley's trainer move

[mellow linden]

You technically don’t need it at all unless you’re doing Metal Burst shenanigans

[verbal karma]

well, I was expecting I would have to use Metal Burst as a last resort

anyway, Round 3, and all it tells me is to use stat reduction...hmm...

on one hand, it sounds like I can now pick whoever, but on the other hand, I dunno what Round 4 is

[mellow linden]

This would actually be a solid one to take on Flint with since Anniversary May can lower Flint’s Sp. Atk.

Also, round 4 is increased physical damage for both you and the opponent

[verbal karma]

ah, shoot, Lucian uses physical damage...hmmmmm...use the Round 3 advantage on Flint to then have a Round 4 disadvantage on Lucian or use Round 3 on Lucian so I wouldn't have a Round 4 disadvantage on Flint?

[steel kelp]

I wouldn’t really say flint has a disadvantage

He’s mostly special but he has fire punch and emboar has hammer arm

But flint in general will make you explode

[verbal karma]

damn

[steel kelp]

He’s really obnoxious

[mellow linden]

Flint’s gimmick this week is just high damage output

It’s not as bad for you since it’s Hard Mode, but still high

[steel kelp]

First move fire blast

[mellow linden]

The nice thing about this week is that Cynthia is pretty easy compared to a lot of the other Sinnoh CS stages. Her gimmick is that she gets boosted fairly significantly by Sandstorm, so by bringing a different weather condition you shut down a lot of her threat

[keen jasper]

Or you can just bring a physical dragon DD

Like Gladion, Iris or Zinnia (both variants)

[mellow linden]

Well they have SS Serena, sooo

[keen jasper]

I still managed to deal with Cynthia using Zinnia's Outrage

And didn't change the weather

[mellow linden]

You definitely can do it without changing the weather, but since they need to fill out the type medal and have SS Serena it’s a good idea to take advantage of how easy Cynthia’s gimmick is to shut down

[keen jasper]

Just lucky enough she doesn't have Sand Kicker or whatever passive is called that applies sandstorm upon sync

[lunar dawn]

You don't even need a physical one

I 2kd quite easily with ex Cyrus in sand with almost no support

just a defense buff and potion

[verbal karma]

...alright, real talk

Which one would be a bigger threat, Round 4 Flint or Round 4 Lucian?

[keen jasper]

Flint only has Fire Punch as his physical, but the sides have Hammer Arm

[lunar dawn]

Since Lucian has Wise Entry

It depends on how good your physical striker is

You can potentially use the physical move boost to offtype or gladion Lucian easier

But it may require good support
Unless it's bolt red

[keen jasper]

Lucian will hit harder on round 4

[lunar dawn]

he will but so will you right

[verbal karma]

Well, for Lucian, I got this suggested team:

For your Lucian team it looks like you've potentially got something good with Fall Acerola + Hilbert (evolve his Dewott btw, huge help for his bulk) + SSR Cynthia, Masked Royal, or some filler spot for type coverage like Spring May

[lunar dawn]

I'd only recommend it if you have a good physical ghost (do those exist in this game)

[keen jasper]

Renegade Cynthia

[lunar dawn]

Was about to ask if she was phys

[void wyvern]

Renegade Cynthia deletes lucian.

[keen jasper]

If you want the F2P options then Selene or Morty

[void wyvern]

good morning all. How’s holding down the Fort?

[verbal karma]

Alright, so Flint for Round 3, huh?

[keen jasper]

As long as you keep on debuffing him, but the sides are guaranteed to debuff your special defense

Which then if Flint uses Fire Blast even if he's at -6 Sp. Atk. and your tank is at +6 Sp. Def., then it will still kill your tank

[verbal karma]

Oh yikes

[void wyvern]

I think that’s slightly exasperated

[keen jasper]

As long as your tank either has Flameproof with Impervious or Stalwart, then you'll not have a problem for Flint R3

Actually, burn isn't that bad, just need to resist the Sp. Def. debuff

[verbal karma]

I have Flameproof, now I need to hope Cookie RNG will smile on me

[keen jasper]

Who's your tank?

[verbal karma]

Nita

[lunar dawn]

is Nita for speed

[void wyvern]

What striker are we using?

[mellow linden]

I’d suggested Giovanni + Anniversary May + a tank (with Nita as an option that’s decent) previously

[winged scaffold]

I wish I had Vigilance

Bertha gets 1 crit buff and suddenly all of her moves are crits

[verbal karma]

Yeah, that

[zealous karma]

Now use fire rebuff def crush Gordie and SSMorty

[verbal karma]

alright, so...Flint for Round 3, is that the final answer?

would be Nita, Anni May and Giovanni vs Flint

[mellow linden]

If Nita ends up not working as a tank you can try some other options like Liza or Misty

[verbal karma]

I see

[winged scaffold]

I was about to win and I got Rock Slide flinched

[mellow linden]

It do be like that sometimes

[candid juniper]

That is a massive disappointment

[quaint solar]

That's RNGesus for you

[winged scaffold]

GET DUNKED ON BERTHA

Why is it always Steel Weak stages that require a heck ton of rng

First it was trying to dodge like 4 Earthquakes in a row with Kimono Grimesly and now it's dodging like 3 crits

[keen jasper]

Only -2 Def. tho

And my Goride is only 1/5

[keen jasper]

Did you really just used Hop as a damage dealer?

[winged scaffold]

Yes. Yes I did

My only other good Steel DPS (don't have enough orbs for Wikstrom) is Kimono Grimesly and he gets 2 shot by EQ

Also

I got sooooooo many Twister Flinches

Like soooooooooooo many

[storm moss]

What are people using against Bertha?

I can't bloody beat her

[mellow linden]

What team are you using, Hard Mode or Master Mode, and what parameters if Master Mode?

[storm moss]

Mm

Skyla, K grim hop

[mellow linden]

And the parameters?

[mellow linden]

There’s the problem

[storm moss]

😂

Course it is

[mellow linden]

You’re using pre-Sync parameters on a fight where you’re almost guaranteed to not be able to KO before enemy Sync unless you have crazy Sync accel or a lot of lucky flinches

I’m guessing Sync is what’s KOing you?

[storm moss]

Yea

[mellow linden]

That would be why

You’ll wanna either switch to post-Sync parameters or really work on getting flinches and/or Sync accel

[storm moss]

Righttt

So if I swapped grim to the iron head flinch and test

[mellow linden]

IMO post-Sync would be far easier to manage

Is K. Grimsley EX?

[storm moss]

No

Just 5/5

[onyx ice]

Doesn't metal burst one shot her?

[dark osprey]

Try nuking the centre otherwise

[onyx ice]

Is Skyla ex?

[mellow linden]

That should still be fine, just means you gotta be quick on KOing the sides or flinch them

[dark osprey]

Two screeches and a super effective up next sync with TM should ohko

[mellow linden]

Oh, would it?

Guess you could do pre-Sync in that case

[onyx ice]

I think metal burst after 6ex skyla sync should easily ohko

[dark osprey]

With EX yes. Not sure without

[mellow linden]

Ah, with EX

[onyx ice]

With ex support shouldn't be a problem

[storm moss]

Yea skyla is EX

[onyx ice]

Metal burst does insane damage if you time it correctly

[dark osprey]

The problem is Bertha doesn't attack after our first sync

Because of head start I guess

[onyx ice]

Doesn't attack just after the left side attacks post Sync?

[dark osprey]

I think she uses that physical barrier thing

[onyx ice]

Then i guess something should cancel the left side turn just after sync

[dark osprey]

Yeah that may work

[onyx ice]

I guess something like sleep may work if you can't kill the lefts just after 6ex support sync

[storm moss]

Still lose

[onyx ice]

I guess screech X3 skyla sync then grimsley tm + sleep on left side then queue metal burst just before sleep connects

Then sleep on right

[dark osprey]

Nice. Seems like a good plan

Can also try the sync nuke. Two screeches and Grimsley TM to nuke. Might just ohko

Can get kukui if needed to get to -6 defenses, flinch & speed

[storm moss]

I don't know what I'm doing wrong

[verbal karma]

damn, Round 3 was almost too easy

[storm moss]

I can beat her at all

Cant

[verbal karma]

but now it's time for Round 4 with Lucian...

[verbal karma]

alright, am going with Fall Acerola, Hilbert and SSR Cynthia against Round 4 Lucian...any objections?

[storm moss]

No

[mellow linden]

Should work fine

[storm moss]

You'll smash

[verbal karma]

alright, thanks

let's do it to it then

damn, Cynthia really did just delete Lucian