Champion Stadium

[full mesa]

Yeah, I can see why. You can always off-type but it's nice to have an alternative.

[zealous karma]

Memes

[full mesa]

That's on second sync and onwards. Not bad. Bring another 2 supports and you can deal 26-30k combining the second and third sync.

[swift swan]

I wouldn't, if I had her

Phoebe keeps evading me

[rose ermine]

I have 15/5 phoebe

[full mesa]

I have the same issue with Elesa and EleSSa. Would you like to trade?

[keen jasper]

I'm kinda enjoying Naomi now, think I'll use her more often than SS GIo in ground-weak stages

Seriously, why don't most of the free units have EXs?

[swift swan]

I have 5/5 on both of them. yes please

[swift swan]

we have so many low gacha pairs without EX and here DeNA is adding MORE units without EX (see: Eevee day pairs), it's so stupid

[old orchid]

They are lazy smh

[swift swan]

very shitty and lazy banner but I love the featured pairs

[old orchid]

Yeah the Eeveelutions are very good

Sadly they dont have EX

[toxic cobalt]

Pallet swaps are hard work

[hidden ore]

Any suggestions for Flint r1?

Water works?

[swift swan]

he has wise entry x2 so if you want to offtype, use a physical move

[hidden ore]

Asking again cause I tried with Olivia Ingo and Skyla & failed with post sync

Lyca too squishy

[swift swan]

presync it

Olivia is enough to do that

what move level is she?

[hidden ore]

3/5

[swift swan]

get the inertia

top right

https://ng-pomatools.web.app/pairs/5100/74501?s=3&l=140&r=5&p=0&a=0&g=AAECAwQFDA0OHyIkKCsuLw something like this. you don't need Acuity

[hidden ore]

My lucky skills….

She has cs1 for now

Havent done Villa rn

[swift swan]

that's fine

[hidden ore]

So what pairs to support her 🤔

Ingo and…?

What params to get rid of @swift swan ?

[full mesa]

None. Choose all of them. They don't power Flint up too much when it comes to pre-sync.

[hidden ore]

On r1?

Skyla & Ingo still okay?

Or maybe another sand user instead?

[full mesa]

They are ok. They cover Olivia's weaknesses. Just do Flint on R2.

[hidden ore]

Whos better to face on r1?

[full mesa]

Most people try with Lucian but it doesn't make any difference. It's just that Flint has weak defence and R2 helps you even more.

[hidden ore]

Whats for Lucian?

[full mesa]

None. Apart from Flint and round 2 the rest field effects don't have a huge impact on any stage. You can use them anywhere.

[swift swan]

this looks good, but you need perfect quadqueue with Blue

switch to Lance and DPS go brrr if it doesn't work (get rid of Winona if you want to use Lance)

Blue's important tile is Brutal Clarity

[keen jasper]

You have Bertha?

[hidden ore]

Yup

[keen jasper]

I did Flint R2 or R3 with 5/5 EX Sonia, 4/5 Olivia and 4/5 Bertha

Bertha has triple DoT with Sandstorm, Stealth Rock and trap

It really helps against the sides

[swift swan]

Mine was 3/5 EX Hilbert, 5/5 EX Olivia, 1/5 Acerola

Non-EX Olivia can work too, I tried when Sinnoh first came out, but it took a good side denial and some lucky flinches

[keen jasper]

Dennis is truly OP

[sand karma]

CS2kMM round 3 help please

I tried Sabrina, SsHilbert, Kyurem/Candice as per another comment elsewhere but I die too fast. Since it's permanent field effects i thought this would be the best round for Bertha. Sshilb is way too squishy. Already feeling sad i already used up skyla

https://imgur.com/a/uvjzhHu

[toxic cobalt]

Squishy? Why is SS Hilb getting hit?

[sand karma]

Earthquakes

[toxic cobalt]

Do you have SS Blue?

[sand karma]

Yes but he's 1/5 exd

[toxic cobalt]

Oh. Just use him

[sand karma]

With?

[toxic cobalt]

Instead of Sabrina

[sand karma]

Even this team dies before second sync : (

[toxic cobalt]

What from?

[sand karma]

Earthquakes and high horsepower

SsBlue doesn't have any healing so the sandstorm chips away

[toxic cobalt]

There's only 6 enemy moves the sandstorm isn't going to do much

[keen jasper]

Except boost damage

[sand karma]

Blue isn't surviving long enough is my problem

I can manage to ko nidoking by the second sync but then ble and Hilbert die

And it's over soon

[toxic cobalt]

How ? He's one of the tankiest units in the game

[keen jasper]

Is Sandstorm active?

[sand karma]

Yes

And mine is 1/5

[keen jasper]

Because if it is, then Blue will take a hell lot more damage

You need to remove the sandstorm

[toxic cobalt]

And?

Why is sandstorm active? You have candice

[sand karma]

Oh sorry I was using SsBlue, SsHilbert and Ghetsis

[toxic cobalt]

Oh. Well don't do that.

[keen jasper]

Replace Ghetsis or SS Hilbert for a weather setter to remove sandstorm

[sand karma]

Who would you suggest i get rid of?
Hilbert is 1/5
Ghetsis is ex gridded

[toxic cobalt]

Either is fine

[sand karma]

Sync with Ghetsis or Candice?

[toxic cobalt]

SS Blue and then Candice

[sand karma]

Okay Thanks

[keen jasper]

Why Candice?

[toxic cobalt]

Big sync

[keen jasper]

Doesn't Ghetsis have a bigger sync because he's EX-ed?

[toxic cobalt]

I have not done the maths

However syncing Candice means no messing aroudn with a four-bar quadqueue

[sand karma]

Are these the right parameters?

[toxic cobalt]

Don't take defence up

Take Power up on hit and gradual healing

[sand karma]

Kyurems Glaciate seems to be doing more damage than Candice second sync move

[mellow linden]

What’s Candice’s grid and are you using her X Speed/Trainer Move at all?

[main crow]

She has super preparation, she can easily outnuke Ghetsis dps

[sand karma]

You’re right my clown ass forgot to increase speed

[mellow linden]

It happens

[void wyvern]

I’m 99% sure Candice out nukes Ghetsis with easier setup

But I will test so right now

[mellow linden]

Less “easier” and more “faster” on the setup

Assuming no outside help

[void wyvern]

Ghetsis needs outside help to actually be able to setup for first sync.

[mellow linden]

I don’t think we’re talking 1st Sync

[void wyvern]

Okay. I’ll test 2nd sync off of an ex

[sand karma]

Also when does the sandstorm reset? I assumed it was with the sync and set hail in queue after their sync but the sandstorm didn’t go away

[keen jasper]

Ghetsis needs the target's speed stat to be lower for his sync to deal more damage, while as Candice, she just needs hail and her damage for her sync is maximized already

[main crow]

Bertha's sand? Typically they lasted for like 3 cycles

Definitely before her sync

[keen jasper]

It resets everytime Bertha syncs, it's because she has an ability that extends sandstorm duration that feels like it has reset even if she didn't sync yet

[main crow]

And yeah it came back after her sync thanks to the passive

[void wyvern]

Alright got the Candice numbers

Candice does in fact nuke harder than Ghetsis

[main crow]

Always has been

[void wyvern]

As she should

[keen jasper]

Is this assumed the target has -6 speed? Just wondering only

[void wyvern]

Yes all values were maxed.

Pal Serena covers speed double drop noble roar for pecking and Elesa for the sync accel.

Both sides only had 1 theme active being their region skill. This was tested on round 1 with Max hp

[keen jasper]

Is this assumed that Candice has her SEUN while Ghetsis doesn't?

[void wyvern]

Candice has it in her base grid. Ghetsis does not

[mellow linden]

With Supereffective Up Ghetsis probably does win, but at that point it’s either taking a very long time to set up or you’re running a very specific team that’s less accessible

[void wyvern]

I don’t know how I’d factor Redlax into the team though.

So he’s there. He covers crit. Now how do I cover Ghetsis’s stuff being speed down, physical attack down, and special attack up?

[keen jasper]

Why does mine calc that Ghetsis is slightly higher than Candice?

[void wyvern]

Let’s compare grids

[keen jasper]

Candice even has her SEUN

[main crow]

That's the thing, until we have a special support with super effective up it'll be a particularly hard team to composition

[keen jasper]

Actually, mine has Follow-Through instead of Heavy Hail, so maybe that's why Ghetsis is slightly higher

[mellow linden]

That would be it, yeah

[void wyvern]

Lmao I didn’t even test Candice with heavy hail!

I checked the grid. I didn’t have it either

[mellow linden]

Something to note is that Candice can have like all her Sync nuke assistance tiles except maybe a couple base power one

[keen jasper]

Ghetsis: 5,057,976
Candice: 5,298,696

[mellow linden]

Hail Follow Through, TM Supereffective Up, Inertia, Heavy Hail, X Speed Fleet Feet

[void wyvern]

Okay I screwed up two things.

Ghetsis doesn’t have power boost setup

[keen jasper]

Candice (Without SEUN): 3,532,464

[void wyvern]

Candice does not have heavy hail.

and this is why we need a training dummy

[keen jasper]

So Ghetsis is more consistent in almost every way than Candice

[void wyvern]

Ghetsis as a 2nd nuker is.

Candice as a first sync nuker is more sufficient

Unless the game says don’t use Ghetsis or don’t use Candice. There’s no reason they wouldn’t work out.

[mellow linden]

For longer content like Legendary Arena/Gauntlet yeah. For CS the fight is too fast for it to become an issue though, so Candice wins out as a Sync nuker there due to faster setup

And of course Ghetsis has way better damage outside of Sync

[keen jasper]

Kinda unfair since Ghetsis doesn't have a source of SEUN while Candice has

[mellow linden]

I can see that

[void wyvern]

That is something to tell DeNa because I too am mad Ghetsis’s power boost sucks.

He deserved power play or devestian.

[mellow linden]

Eh, Ghetsis’ Power Boost is just QoL stuff rather than “wow big damage boost” like the past ones have been. Not like he’s got a bad nuke or anything, it’s just one that’s slower to set up without outside help

[void wyvern]

Tbh Ghetsis losing the Candice highlights why I wish Ghetsis got more than quality of life.

[keen jasper]

Ghetsis (With WW3): 5,287,884
Candice: 5,298,696

[mellow linden]

I mean, he literally only loses in unassisted Sync nuke

Ignoring move category (which means they’re technically not good comparisons anyway) Ghetsis has far superior regular move damage and arguably equal if not more utility

But regardless

“Por que no los dos” is always a great answer when asking whether to put Ghetsis or Candice on a team

[sand karma]

Thank you very much everyone
I did it
Blue died by the end before Glaciate finished it off
This was so fun!

[mellow linden]

Congrats!

[keen jasper]

Well, Ghetsis can help you survive longer with his Noble Roar, Candice's DPS is just trash and her nuke is only slightly higher compared to Ghetsis's nuke that is only assuming enemy is enemy is weak to ice

So IMO, Ghetsis over Candice

[mellow linden]

But por que no los dos

Seriously though, you can always run both of them on the same team and that’s been a recommendation for a while now for good reason

It’s interesting to do the comparisons tho

[keen jasper]

Well, I am assuming full set up. The only one who can help set up Ghetsis while also kinda having synergy is Pryce

[mellow linden]

Hmmm, I should probably try out Candice + Ghetsis + Palentine’s Bea one time during an Ice weak CS once Bea is 3/5

[full mesa]

Do we count the fact that Flint has less resistance to Def drops than spdef or is it irrelevant?

[mellow linden]

For what

[full mesa]

For the nuke numbers.

[keen jasper]

I mean, he has Wise Entry x2, so maybe that's why?

[full mesa]

That's what I was thinking

Maybe that's why Ghetsis deal less damage.

[mellow linden]

I don’t see why we would considering you probably wouldn’t use Candice or Ghetsis against Flint anyways, assuming you’re referring to the Ghetsis v. Candice matchup

[full mesa]

I was referring to the Debate between who deals more damage. Candice or Ghetsis. SS Hoenn Protags stated my argument better than me. Also I off typed that stage with SSACynthia/Bea/Tech Gyarados so yes, if I had any ideas and better units I would use both against him.

[mellow linden]

Ah

[full mesa]

My Olivia is still at 2/5.

And as much as I like Gladion, he can't pull his weight against Sinnoh.

[keen jasper]

Is yours 3+/5?

[full mesa]

Yes. Super powered 3 too

Can't become any better.

But against a stage where I had to switch weather and tank at the same time... I couldn't think of anything.

[keen jasper]

This week really requires you to change weather

Flint with sun, Bertha with sandstorm, Aaron with clear passives

[sand karma]

Can Pidgeot Blue 2/5 do round 4 2k?

[keen jasper]

Round 4 is Lucian I presume?

[sand karma]

Yes

[keen jasper]

Well, someone did it with Kahili

As the main DD

[void wyvern]

Kahili does absolutely fine.

[sand karma]

I saw Aurochs video too
The damage numbers from Kahili look too good to be true

[void wyvern]

She’s a great sync nuker.

[keen jasper]

I saw Kim's video

[full mesa]

Kahili needs SEUN in order to deal with Lucian. Without is she can do only 18k with 2x sync buff.

[sand karma]

So it's rng?

[full mesa]

No. Her grid has a tile which gives her 50% to activate SEUN on her TM. Just run until you get it. It's quite high and you only to go until your second sync. No need for a perfect run each time either.

[sand karma]

Does it apply only to the next move ?

[full mesa]

Yes. So do it on the sixth turn in order to have it up for her sync.

[sand karma]

Okay

This grid?

[full mesa]

I guess. I'm not an expert on those so I just copy them from #1009587872342478908.

I think if you copy it, you should be fine.

[keen jasper]

That's the same build I did (even tho I don't use her)

[sand karma]

Who do i pair her with?

Hilbert for flinches?

[keen jasper]

Is your Hilbert 3/5?

[sand karma]

Yes

He has grid aggravation

[keen jasper]

Hilbert, Kahili and a defense buffer

[sand karma]

Hop?

[keen jasper]

Anyone you like

[clever bronze]

Which flying type should I use for Lucian?

Flying weak lucian has been a struggle for me before

[full mesa]

Check a few messages ago.

[clever bronze]

I'll try kahili skyla cgio

[void wyvern]

Kahili has been flying weak solution forever. I’ll be honest I totally cheated with these numbers

[clever bronze]

i don't have anni skyla or cred

[void wyvern]

This was more of a show off then a guide.

If Lucian is a struggle. Fight him on round 2 using Anni Steven, Falkner, and any def buffer.

Sync with Falkner and make sure to set up Steven’s trainer move so your first dragon ascend does crazy damage.

[mellow linden]

Falkner + BP Morty is always a nice Support duo

[clever bronze]

I have skill issue using anni steven

but i'll give it a go

[void wyvern]

Anni Steven isn’t fool proof. But he does the job well.

Good form is a great passive.

[clever bronze]

What order should I battle the e4?

[mellow linden]

Could do Lucian 2nd and the rest of the order wouldn’t matter a whole lot

[void wyvern]

Bertha Lucian Aaron flint

[full mesa]

Flint last?

I did Bertha last. She seems the easiest and freeze can help even more with field parameter No4.

[clever bronze]

so ghetsis grid for cold snap?

[mellow linden]

Tbh with those teams Aaron last would probably get the most benefit, but order doesn’t matter a massive amount outside of Lucian Round 2, IMO

[clever bronze]

I can zerena lucas crit buffer aaron

[full mesa]

Aaron isn't an issue with Zerena.

[void wyvern]

Aaron throws a lot of poison moves which is why round 4 might be slightly tedious.

[full mesa]

I would say Bertha last.

[clever bronze]

can bertha tank with zerena and lucas?

or should I skip lucas

I know weather is needed

[void wyvern]

If you’re referring to your team for Aaron. Cynthia does absolutely fine.

As long as she isn’t 1/5

[clever bronze]

she's 3/5

[full mesa]

Yeah. Aaron is good. Cynthia too. Flint is destroyed. Bertha is ok probably.

[mellow linden]

Ah, fair

[full mesa]

Worst case scenario use your BV team somewhere

[clever bronze]

[void wyvern]

Start with Aaron or Bertha. Your choice. Then come back if you need help.

[full mesa]

I would argue to start with Lucian.

Continue on Flint, destroy Aaron and finish with Bertha

[void wyvern]

Lucian we need to abuse physical up.

[full mesa]

Does annisteven get that?

[clever bronze]

the times i've tried steven vs lucian the dps wasn't enough

maybe phys up will be it

[void wyvern]

It will be.

I just tested it

Is this 2k master mode?

[clever bronze]

yes

[void wyvern]

You’ll be fine.

[clever bronze]

R1- aaron
r2- lucian
r3- flint
r4 bertha

[void wyvern]

That works. Not really getting much out of round 3 but it works.

[clever bronze]

I struggle with the timing of field effects

[void wyvern]

Than all is well.

Best of luck!

[full mesa]

How does their Lucian team get physical up next?

[clever bronze]

thank you guys

r2 param

[full mesa]

No

[void wyvern]

Physical moves deal more

[mellow linden]

They mean the round parameter

Round 2 is extra physical damage

[full mesa]

Ohhh yes

[clever bronze]

how to say it short and concise

[void wyvern]

Short and sweet

[full mesa]

Any updates on the run?

[void wyvern]

Anni Steven does not hit as hard as I remember

[full mesa]

Well, he's 1/5. What about 3/5?

[void wyvern]

You get 10% damage boost from your grid

His grid is mostly centred on nuking

[full mesa]

Weren't we talking about nuking? It's not like Kahili do anything different. She nukes with sync.

I doubt any flying unit can do burst on Lucian apart from Blue.

[clever bronze]

I'm about to start now

[void wyvern]

Both Kahili and Anni Skyla can nuke Lucian first sync

Although Kahili needs Anni skyla’s help to do so.

I’m testing Kahili without Anni Skyla in the event Steven does not work.

Adrenaline support will likely be our solution

Okay second sync Kahili will solve our problems

[clever bronze]

How do I use kahili

and what would the team with her be

i'm on r2 about to try anni steven

[full mesa]

Kahili needs SEUN from her TM. Use her with Hilbert or Skyla and something that buffs her att at least +2. It's better if you have am ex support. Second sync with at least 1x sync buff, sure crit and SEUN can nuke mid. Personally I used her with Skyala and Sonia for some defence drops.

[void wyvern]

Try Steven, if he fails he will likely we’ll grid and use Kahili

[full mesa]

What? Discord are you ok?

How do I remove that?

[void wyvern]

It’s just discord being discord. It happens

[full mesa]

... social media is the future my butt...

Anyway, GN from me. Gl with Sinnoh.

[void wyvern]

Goodnight!

[clever bronze]

I won with steven

second try

first time using the seun up of sky high and the flinches helped too

r3 flint and he opened with 800 hp flare blitz

[void wyvern]

You’ll want to change weather

Charging Sun 5 and sun’s innate boost hurt

[toxic cobalt]

Disappointing to come here and see people saying stuff like "Kahili needs SEUN to nuke"

Her potential will never be realised with such unfounded abuse

[mint cedar]

What is SEUN?

[dark osprey]

Super effective up next

[mint cedar]

Derp

[swift swan]

maybe I'll become a Kahili truther someday

I already became a Mina truther, which is already character development

but I doubt I'll ever use Kahili when I have Anni Steven and SS Ethan

[toxic cobalt]

Is Anni Steven physical?

[swift swan]

yes, dragon ascent

not like it matters anyway, Lucian doesn't have entries

[toxic cobalt]

For now

[zealous karma]

I have ssethan but use holiday Skyla lel

[swift swan]

I'm fine either way lol. I have Anni Steven for physical, SS Ethan for special. Blue can retire now

[toxic cobalt]

I don’t have Anni Steven or Anni Skyla so Kahili may be my best physical flying

[swift swan]

how's Zinnia faring

[toxic cobalt]

Harder to teambuild for

[plucky pewter]

Been so busy this week only just got my sinnoh badge unlocked now working out teams for csmm😭

[white gale]

for ghost weak + Wise Entry x 2 next week, is it best to use Selene, Mewtwo, off-type with somene like SST Red?

[plucky pewter]

All I know is, I should be fine to do a fighting and fire type off types for two battles if needed xD

[toxic cobalt]

Apparently ontype but off-damage and offtype but on-damage are about the same

[zealous karma]

Prolly mewtwo

[white gale]

hmm, okay, so maybe something like MEwtwo+Lucian+Sp Support Ex (like SS Brendan)?

[zealous karma]

Sounds overkill and funny

[swift swan]

sounds good

[white gale]

why funny? overkill? doesn't Wise Entry x 2 make special attacks hit like noodles?

[zealous karma]

Not when you’re gio

💀

I used PDawn and Roxanne for it and he still made the stage look pathetic

[swift swan]

Wise Entry x2 doubles the special defense. Super effective damage just doubles the power your move hits. so basically a special Ghost move, against Wise Entry x2, is like hitting offtype with no damage reduction whatsoever

basically just treat it as offtyping

you'll only hit like noodles if you try to offtype a Wise Entry x2 stage with a special attacker

[zealous karma]

And gios off type is still easier

[zealous karma]

Guess what I did with calem

(:

[white gale]

Hmm ok. I'll give it a try. I realized I was going to use Lucian with SS Steven for psychic-weak, so may need to come up with a third partner for SS Brendan + Gio

[zealous karma]

Those 2 can duo the stage tbh

[white gale]

wow, i always thought Gio was a little frail

SS Brendan can also reduce SpDef, so I think I can split him and Lucian no problem actually

[void wyvern]

Kahili does not need seun to nuke. But flying zone can change her from an adrenaline support nuker to a first sync nuker.

[river pagoda]

Which of these supports wud u recommend raising if any?

Elio first? Elesa?

[swift swan]

oooh can you link me to your clear

[toxic cobalt]

Elio Dawn Cheryl and Marley are all useful

[river pagoda]

Tyvm

[zealous karma]

Not a full video but I did record the ending

Pre sync as well

[plucky pewter]

Hmmm can't seem to beat cynthia with on type using SS Wally... Have tried using sp atk buffers and both pre and post sync selections but no luck

Gonna have a break and try again later tho

[polar dome]

if you pulled for anni Ash or SST Red, those are capable of offtyping Cynthia

[plucky pewter]

Yeah I used them in earlier fight for off typing on rock.. The overall line up this week has been bad for me and what I've got for on typing

[zealous karma]

Are you not using other fairy units alongside sswally?

Unless he’s 3/5 I wouldn’t try it

[full mesa]

She has wise entry x2. You deal half damage with special attacks.

[zealous karma]

If Calem can beat wise entry off type wally xan do it on type

[polar dome]

do you have ss morty by any chance

[plucky pewter]

I had been using lillie/clefairy with SS Wally as giving wally full power buff has worked for me kn the past.
These are my fairy units tho

[plucky pewter]

I do but he was used with SS hilda for an off type

[full mesa]

Use SSWally with Lillie and Mina. Set up terrain and destroy with Mina's sync.

[zealous karma]

If you can candy lodge Lillie to 3:5 I’d use her and replace base Lillie with a more dedicated special support rather than her

[plucky pewter]

I'll give it a try, just gotta grid mina

[plucky pewter]

No candies atm. But she is my next to be done

[full mesa]

Another choice is poison stall with Sycamore and Janine.

[plucky pewter]

I've never tried poison stall before tbh.

Would need to have that explained

[zealous karma]

Mina can work then if you have like falkner id use him 🦑

[polar dome]

For my Mina attempt, she didnt live the first sync even at +6 spdef

[zealous karma]

Falkner wally mina can work

[polar dome]

also the accuracy drop could potentially cause a lot of resets

[zealous karma]

Mina has impervious

[polar dome]

its just a whole snowball of frustration

oh my play rough missed fsr

is it 90 acc

[zealous karma]

90

[formal vigil]

You can grid accuracy tiles

[polar dome]

its ok I already offtyped it

[zealous karma]

I on typed with PSerena lel

She’s a funny unit

[polar dome]

what that

[zealous karma]

Palentines serena and Whimsiscott

A fairy type special sync pair

[polar dome]

oh I think I have 1/5 whim

[zealous karma]

Mines 3/5 but I did it in the past with 2/5

[polar dome]

I dont ever remember getting this pair

[zealous karma]

She’s one of the few rare techs that gets good stuff at 2/5

And 3/5 just gives sync files

[polar dome]

im looking at it, just troublemaker and inertia?

[zealous karma]

Incredible

She unlocks her nuke at 2/5

[polar dome]

hmm might consider candying it

[zealous karma]

I’d do it if you like her and or already have PDawn or SSBrendan she really likes those 2

[keen jasper]

What move level is your SS Wally?

[chilly sparrow]

Sharing my first CS Master clear. Around 4k points. Looking forward to more points next week! Thanks for all the suggestions guys!

[formal vigil]

Would a 1/5 raihan still be fine against steel week bertha if you use him with skyla and ingo both 3/5+ exed

[keen jasper]

Seems that Wally isn't the only one who can do some work

[sand karma]

My Kahili is not finishing Gallade like the others even after 2 syncs

Round 4

[keen jasper]

What's your team?

[polar dome]

is lodge lillie a great fairy damage dealer

[sand karma]

Hilbert, Kahili, Hop

[polar dome]

or is it just nuke

[keen jasper]

She can debuff everyone's attack guaranteed and she has Synchro Healing so yeah

She also has Satisfied Snarl 4

[polar dome]

what grid are you using for kahili

[polar dome]

do you have 3/5 skyla by any chance

could be more useful over samurott due to heals, +def and EX sync buffs

just need to readjust her usual support grid to more offensive one, like ramming speed, fanfare

[sand karma]

Used her on another stage

If i don't flinch, i can't sync twice before he does

But even if i sync twice, the damage is not at all there?

I've maxed attack with hop

She's fully gridded and has cs2

I'm even using the seun

[keen jasper]

What are your parameters against Lucian?

[polar dome]

do you have falkner

[sand karma]

Phys dmg reduction
Sp DMG reduction
Strength 1
Sync buff 5
Att spatt 3
Ally healing reduce
Power on hit 1
Grad healing

Att spat 5

Power on hit 2

[polar dome]

really dont go the 30% and 50% routes if possible

[sand karma]

Move gauge reduce

Strength 6

[keen jasper]

Strength 6 and Strength 1

Hmmmm

[sand karma]

https://youtu.be/Duaw3ZfEDBc
This video is doing ridiculous damage and i can't see that in mine even when i replicate it

[polar dome]

they gridded dc4 which is slightly different from yours

[sand karma]

Oh

My hop and Hilbert have dc lucky skills

[polar dome]

how much are you doing on first sync

[sand karma]

Like 25% or less

[polar dome]

roughly a number

like 12-13k?

[sand karma]

11435

[polar dome]

was it with SP4 ?

[sand karma]

13k something with se up

[polar dome]

btw they did kahili on round 2 with increased physical damage, that + dc4 procs was probably why that damage was sufficient

[sand karma]

[swift swan]

gasp

I forgot today is a sunday

time to teambuild again I guess

[keen jasper]

So Lodge Lillie's nuke can deal around the 60-70k damage against WE x2 fairy-weak Cynthia with -6 Sp. Def. and fairy zone

[polar dome]

sick

[keen jasper]

And OFC SS Wally can damage cap her extremely easily

[swift swan]

2022/11/21 - 2022/11/28
Fire-weak Aaron: Mid and left are fully physical, right is mostly physical. Bulky HP (25k). Low attack and special attack stats. Has low resistance to attack and special defense debuffs (Lessen 3). Has slightly lower resistance to burn (Lessen 7). Mid has First Aid 2 (heals for 20% when reaching red health). All 3 have Endurance.

Steel-weak Bertha: Mid and right are fully physical, left is mostly special. Very bulky HP (almost 29k). Has low resistance to attack and defense debuffs (Lessen 3). Sides have Wise Entry x3 which triples the base special defense stat (Piercing Blows and other moves with a similar effect do not ignore this). Physical moves is recommended. Mid has Head Start 1.

Psychic-weak Flint: Mid and right are mostly special, left is fully special. Very bulky HP (almost 29k). Very high special attack stat. Has low resistance to special attack debuffs (Lessen 3). Has low resistance to confusion (Lessen 5). All 3 have Piercing Gaze so moves never miss. Mid has Hostile Environment 4 for a high burn chance. Sides have Mind Games 9 to lower your special defense.

Ghost-weak Lucian: Mid and right are fully physical, left is mixed. Mid debuffs your special attack after every successful hit. Has low resistance to confusion (Lessen 5). Has slightly lower resistance to burn (Lessen 7). All 3 have Wise Entry x2 which doubles the base special defense stat (Piercing Blows and other moves with a similar effect do not ignore this). Physical moves is recommended.

Dragon-weak Cynthia: Mid and right are fully physical, left is mixed. Has slightly lower resistance to trap (Lessen 7). Sets sandstorm on entry. Mid has Sand Screen to*** increase special defense by 50% during a sandstorm*** (Piercing Blows and other moves with a similar effect do not ignore this.) Has a lot of sand-related passives. Changing the weather is recommended.

alright let's see if either dreamy or aurochs see this and pin it first

Sand Screen is a passive so PIercing Blows should ignore it right? I'm not quite sure yet

[swift swan]

aurochs won

[toxic cobalt]

What do I win?

[swift swan]

🍪

here, a cookie

and a question: does PIercing Blows ignore Sand Screen

[toxic cobalt]

I don’t thiiiink so

I guess we find out

[swift swan]

I don't even know how to find out, I never pay attention does the Piercing Blows passive pop up when it activates?

[full mesa]

It should. It ignores everything.

Passive or not piercing blows ignores them. It's like mold breaker.

[toxic cobalt]

It doesn’t ignore raised stats

[swift swan]

yeah, this is why piercing blows doesn't ignore x2 Entry. but x2 entry itself is a weird spot

[full mesa]

x2 entries are innate abilities. Can't be removed. Sand Screen is a field ability. If you remove the condition, it deactivates. That's why I think it should I gnore.

[long thicket]

It's Sunday and I had annoying times with 1.5k Aaron despite coming close a few times.
So screw it, I'm going for 850 points for the remaining 4 fights. Better than nothing.

[full mesa]

Yeah don't sweat it. Sinnoh is a menace. Do as much as you can. Once it leave it's time to farm for the next time.

[long thicket]

So uh, how was Hoenn again?

Since I've seen theories that they're harder in release order, but that could be wrong.

And Kalos being the hardest one would be pretty funny.

[full mesa]

Easier than Sinnoh.

[long thicket]

I see, then.
I don't think I got the chance to try out Elite Hoenn much.

[winter glen]

slightly lower resistance for lessen 7 might be bad wording, lessen 7 is significantly high resistance

[long thicket]

Wally and Bede for Cynthia took 2 tries.

[winter glen]

or is that slightly lower in relation to lessen 9/10?

actually yeah I see that

[long thicket]

Since this stage seemingly counters Diantha, I also have 2/5 Dawn and Serena alts for Fairy, if they can help for tough fights.

Well, my tokens for battle points (maybe I get the name wrong) end with a 5 now. Shouldn't be too annoying, though.

[toxic cobalt]

I just saw this message

[swift swan]

Yes, normally it's lessen 8-9

[toxic cobalt]

Is Ghost weak Lucian designed to make fun of Shauntal?

[swift swan]

I thought it's HalloMorty

Low resistance to burn, physical moves

OH and fall acerola

Bcs of confusion

[toxic cobalt]

Make fun of not make for!

Sadly confusion is not useful even at 5

[full mesa]

I'll go with Phoebe sync nuke. If that fails, SSTRed it is.

[swift swan]

I don't see what Shauntal has anything to do with Lucian's gimmicks

[hidden ore]

Whats the error here?
Presync

I changed sync buff to additional strenght in one

[winter glen]

did you have +6 speed

before you clicked your sync

the first sync i mean

actually what are your params

[hidden ore]

Presync 2k

And this is r2

Ingo grid

Is healthy healing good for him?

[hidden ore]

Used this

@winter glen

[winter glen]

healthy healing is not good for presync considering you're mostly buffing you just get like 2 ticks of regen

[hidden ore]

Other skill I have is revenge boost

Deluxe

[winter glen]

whats your olivia grid

[hidden ore]

And she faints every sync

[winter glen]

which round are you on

[hidden ore]

Heres Bertha

R2

Already beat Lucian

[swift swan]

wouldn't recommend postsyncing with Olivia on the team. she's frail

[winter glen]

are you syncing in sand

[polar dome]

just EX olivia tbh

[swift swan]

no need to EX a pair just to beat a stage. non-EX Olivia can do it

[winter glen]

just did a test run on my end

both of your 2 syncs before presync should delete mid

granted mine is ex but the damage range should still take mid out fine and you should be good to stone edge sides

just use a speed buffer over ingo

[swift swan]

yeah, bertha seems redundant there because ingo exists

I'd say keep ingo and replace bertha with a speed buffer

[dark osprey]

Hopefully Ingo is EXed and syncing first too to avoid quad queue issues

[winter glen]

id prefer bertha for this scenario

+4 attack on olivia is fine

with bertha you can go tm tm sandstorm since you already set one on entry

with ingo its sandstorm tm sandstorm since you need one for sync, then have another sandstorm to overwrite the sunny day and then the next sync

[trail smelt]

If it works it works

[swift swan]

fair point

[keen jasper]

Bertha also has triple DoT

[winter glen]

yeah you could drop a stealth rock somewhere in there

[keen jasper]

Bertha is perfect for R3 Flint

[swift swan]

alright I'll test out first thing tomorrow with my piecing blows units

[full mesa]

I don't have any of them. I'll have to trust you.

[swift swan]

already recorded Anni N's piercing blows activating against Aaron's Acute Senses and not activating against Flint's Wise Entry x2. so we'll just have to see whether it activates against Cynthia's Sand Screen tomorrow or not

[hidden ore]

Do you think Kukui can make it?

I also have him

[swift swan]

mine's only 2/5, so I never tried nuking with him

[formal vigil]

Kukui isn't much of a nuker at all his only sync multipler is cakewalk

[hidden ore]

I have kukui 3/5

[formal vigil]

And I guess sand blaster 5 but he has low attack with no innate nuke kukui is mostly just used as a debuffer

Though you can run him with olivia as a debuffer should go pretty well since at 3/5 he gets accelrok staggering

[keen jasper]

So if defensive entry x2 is practically a 50% mitigation against that damage type, then x3 is practically a 33% mitigation?

[swift swan]

should be

[winter glen]

its not mitigation it's stat increase

but it ends up to reducing your damage to 33% of what it should be without it yes

[dark osprey]

Kukui, Olivia and ingo sounds like a good team

[hidden ore]

Hmm might need Kukui grid

[dark osprey]

I used that personally too. Didn't even crit on sync

[hidden ore]

What grid did you have?

[dark osprey]

Honestly was just using accelerock for flinching

[swift swan]

honestly, Kukui can just serve as a leer bot

[dark osprey]

And yeah leer too

[full mesa]

Does he have any other usage apart from leer bot?

[formal vigil]

Flinch bot

[dark osprey]

Flinch

[full mesa]

Ahhh ok. Potato potato

[winter glen]

gaugeless flinch low cost spamming

1 gauge aoe def drops

speed drops

[dark osprey]

Staggering and flinch help sync race as well

[winter glen]

personally use him as a sync nuker in lg

really fun unit

[dark osprey]

Oh yeah. Can setup fully for lgs

[full mesa]

If I get 2 more copies, I may use him as a nuker every now and then.

[swift swan]

If only I had 3/5 kukui

[dark osprey]

Hope he gets a grid upgrade

[swift swan]

hope he gets an EX

I mean, he should, for Alola VA

[dark osprey]

Oh lol yeah. Together

[full mesa]

Forget upgrades. Now we'll have 4/5 and 5/5 grid upgrades.

[dark osprey]

Like glacia

[dark osprey]

Hopefully that's only for pokefairs

[swift swan]

they did say it's only for Fair-exclusive pairs

for now

for now

[full mesa]

I didn't know that. Let's hope for it.

[dark osprey]

It is. Just a doubt if master fairs would be in there

[old orchid]

Well he can get Kris treatment

More tiles at 3/5 and below

[plucky pewter]

Damned cynthia just won't let me kill her

[swift swan]

use physical moves

[plucky pewter]

I'm trying to ontype using SS Wally

[keen jasper]

What's your team again?

[plucky pewter]

Atm ss wally, Mina and have been rotating supportels

[keen jasper]

Do you have Sabrina?

[plucky pewter]

Yes though I've used her already.

[toxic cobalt]

Looks good

Hop? Surge?

[plucky pewter]

Haven't actually tried them as thirds yet

Ffs I've done it again... I'm running Mina who works off of stat reducing but left the No stat reduction option selected...

[polar dome]

does Mina live the first enemy sync even with them at -6 spatk

[plucky pewter]

-6 atk no

I sync with wally first then b dazzle gleam but still die

[polar dome]

do you have anything that is strong enough to offtype

[plucky pewter]

I used my strong off types earlier.. I didn't have strong ground, rock or flying units that I felt comfortable with 😭

And I've never done poison stall so don't understand how that works

[toxic cobalt]

Hop Hop Hop Hop

[polar dome]

is there anything that raises spdef and crit

[plucky pewter]

What grid would you recommend for him

[toxic cobalt]

Standard mpr potion grid

[plucky pewter]

Thank you!took a few runs but got it to work

I forgot I got cynthia/Garchomp on her rerun banner recently and got her 3/5 so I should work on her for future ground typing

[full mesa]

Yes

You should

[mellow linden]

Oh boy, tomorrow I get to try out Clair in a Dragon weak stage

[keen jasper]

I'm gonna try EX Zinnia now

[mellow linden]

Nice

[full mesa]

My second choice after Cyrus.

[mellow linden]

At the same time or in general?

[full mesa]

I don't know how to do a search for something like that.

[keen jasper]

I know SS Morty can assuming you have sun and SSA Cynthia if you have FG9 gridded

[mellow linden]

I’ve already got a few that know off the top of my head and some that I found via filter search.

• Lodge Elesa and Lodge Cynthia both have Sp. Def. buffs and crit buffs on separate moves.

• SS Kris’ Trainer Move buffs crit and she gives +4 Sp. Def. the 1st time she uses Rain Dance.

• SS Morty’s Trainer Move buffs Sp. Def. and crit by 1 stage under Sun.

• SSA Cynthia gives +6 Sp. Def. in 1 turn at base and has access to Focus Group from grid at 3/5.

• SS Blue gives +1 crit via Trainer Move and can boost Sp. Def. via his Force Field passive.

Can probably find more examples with enough time

[full mesa]

I don't know how to make a search for both stats up

[keen jasper]

Both stats would be SS Morty

Just need sun

[mellow linden]

There’s no way to filter for those who only do both, afaik, but you can pick both via filters and check the kits to see of anyone does both instead of just 1 or the other

[full mesa]

How do I pick both in one search?

[mellow linden]

Filter for Support and then under the Known Moves section pick Sp. Def. and crit rate from “raises ally stat”

[full mesa]

I mean through discord bot

[keen jasper]

All of what Cobalt mentioned buff separately except SS Morty

[mellow linden]

Oh, I have no idea on that one

Doesn’t Melony do both at once too?

Yeah, she does

[cinder summit]

Conditions:

1: 3* Min Rarity | All Pairs (Limited Included) | Support Role | All allies Special Defense Up‎

------------------------------

Aaron & Vespiquen
‎　⤷Defend Order
‎　⤷Team Full-Bracing Infliction 1
Burgh (Spring 2021) & Togepi
‎　⤷Happy Colors!
Caitlin (Fall 2021) & Sableye
‎　⤷X Sp. Def All
Clemont & Magneton
‎　⤷Eureka!
Cynthia & Gastrodon
‎　⤷Don’t Worry!
Drake & Salamence
‎　⤷X Sp. Def All
Elesa & Joltik
‎　⤷X Sp. Def All
Elio & Primarina
‎　⤷X Sp. Def All
Erika (Holiday 2020) & Comfey
‎　⤷Lei Up!: Shared Fortune 2
Evelyn & Entei
‎　⤷Protect Us All!
Glacia & Glalie
‎　⤷Attention Here!: Barricade 1
Hilda (Summer 2022) & Grapploct
‎　⤷Get Gutsy!

‎

Jasmine (Special Costume) & Celesteela
‎　⤷Steel Yourselves!
Leaf & Eevee
‎　⤷Endless Possibilities Extreme Evoboost
‎　⤷Let’s Go!: Barricade Buddies 1
Lillie (Special Costume) & Polteageist
‎　⤷X Sp. Def All
‎　⤷X Sp. Def All: Barricade Buddies 1
Liza & Lunatone
‎　⤷X Sp. Def All
Lyra & Meganium
‎　⤷Light Screen: Force Field 4
Melony & Lapras
‎　⤷I Won’t Hold Back!
‎　⤷Max Guard: MAX Barricade Buddies 2
Misty & Starmie
‎　⤷X Sp. Def All
Misty (Swimsuit) & Psyduck
‎　⤷Duck and Cover!
Morty & Mismagius
‎　⤷I See You!
Player & Mesprit
‎　⤷Light Screen: Barricade Buddies 1

‎

Professor Sycamore & Xerneas
‎　⤷Gentlemanly Geomancy
‎　⤷Force Field 1
Red & Snorlax
‎　⤷Group Moral Support 4
Rosa (Holiday 2019) & Delibird
‎　⤷All the Presents!
‎　⤷All the Presents!: Shared Fortune 2
Roxanne & Probopass
‎　⤷Study Buddies!: Barricade Buddies 1
Sabrina (New Year's 2022) & Chingling
‎　⤷Team Tough Luck 4
Sawyer & Honchkrow
‎　⤷Forever Loyal!
‎　⤷Team Mind Brace 2
Sygna Suit Blue & Blastoise
‎　⤷Force Field 4
Sygna Suit Brendan & Latios
‎　⤷Flying Free!
‎　⤷Team Tough Luck 4
Sygna Suit Cynthia (Aura) & Lucario
‎　⤷It Won’t End Here!
Sygna Suit Dawn & Cresselia
‎　⤷Sweet Dreams!

‎

Sygna Suit Kris & Suicune
‎　⤷Team Mind-Bracing Infliction 4, Spring of Knowledge!: Barricade Buddies 1
Sygna Suit Morty & Ho-Oh
‎　⤷Believe!
‎　⤷Group Afflicter’s Advantage 1, Team Gimme Five 1, Sunny Day: Team Mind-Bracing Infliction 2

If you like the bot, consider becoming a Patron: https://patreon.com/PoryphoneBot

[keen jasper]

Does, but it's not complete

Needs 2/5 for TM MP refresh

[mellow linden]

Not without an MP Refresh, yeah

[keen jasper]

At least SS Morty has TM MP refresh at 1/5

[swift swan]

let me try booting it up here

[full mesa]

Aaron does too

[keen jasper]

Berserker Bunch and All Ramped Up copium for him

[keen jasper]

It's separate

[mellow linden]

Aaron doesn’t do both at once, which is why I asked whether they wanted both at once or just in general

[swift swan]

just booted up the command for all ally crit + sp def in #bot-zone since my second search didn't load in this channel lol

[full mesa]

How do you do this?

I can only ask for one command.

[polar dome]

ah I was asking for their cynthia fairy attempt, but I suppose thats something to look forward to when I get lodge elesa

[swift swan]

do a search for Support + target all allies + crit up. then do another search for target all allies + sp defense up

you can keep adding more and more conditions by entering the commands separately

when you're done, click Finish search

[full mesa]

I can't do it. I can't boot up the second search.

[void wyvern]

Sc jasmine and Melony were my first thoughts for special def and crit at the same time.

[dark osprey]

There's also SS Dawn

[hidden ore]

Tried to build myself 😅

But which builds do you recommend for Flint?

[full mesa]

Depends on his role. Leer bot/Flinch bot/ Sync nuker? A combination?

[zealous karma]

He cannot sync nuke without ingo and even then I wouldn’t recommend syncing With him

[hidden ore]

To pair him with Olivia

or maybe do a Ingo/Kukui/Bertha team

[steel kelp]

That just sounds like an Olivia sand team atp

[hidden ore]

I did also stats down build and breaking barriers build but idk if outdated

[hidden ore]

What did go wrong here?

Lack of Speed Buff?

[void wyvern]

You don’t need two sand setters

[mellow linden]

Yeah, if you’re using Ingo you could run double damage-dealers too

[quaint solar]

Who has a freaking winning team for this stage man. Being reseting all days and nothing

[mellow linden]

Don’t you have Maxie

[quaint solar]

Maxie team is not working out as well

[mellow linden]

Maxie + Hilbert + Blaine

Blaine for Sun refresh and Fire Spin, Hilbert so that Maxie can focus on Precipice Blades spam

Assuming 3/5 Hilbert, if he’s 2/5 or lower he’d still work but Maxie would need to use his Dire Hit+ twice

Would probably have to do some weirdness at the start by using either Blaine or Maxie’s Trainer Move turn 1 for gauge purposes

[quaint solar]

Maxie and what pokemon
Hilbert and what pokemon
Blaine and what pokemon

[mellow linden]

You can’t be serious

[quaint solar]

A little bit. I think Blaine is ponyta right. Mhmm...

[mellow linden]

There’s only 1 version of Maxie and Blaine (and you literally acknowledged you used Maxie earlier), Groudon for Maxie and Rapidash (Ponyta if you didn’t evolve it) for Blaine.

Regular Hilbert, so Samurott (Oshawott or Dewott if you didn’t fully evolve it for some reason)

If you have 3/5 Sonia (Yamper is her Pokemon, since I’m inevitably gonna have to answer that question) she’d be better than Hilbert

[quaint solar]

I'm using unlimited field effects

[mellow linden]

Then you can use BP Morty or another Sync Pair that can inflict Trapped/Confused/Restrained/etc. instead of Blaine.

Or just turn on the Gradual Healing parameter and do Courtney + Maxie + Hilbert or Sonia (whichever one is 3/5, or higher move level if both are 2/5 or lower)

If you have Courtney that is

[quaint solar]

Don't have Courtney. Who is Sonia

[mellow linden]

I literally just said her pokemon is Yamper earlier. Support, Electric type

[quaint solar]

Don't have that either

[mellow linden]

Hilbert is fine then

[quaint solar]

Who is the 3rd

[mellow linden]

Are you running the Gradual Healing parameter?

[quaint solar]

Yup

[mellow linden]

Could try Dawn then

Her pokemon is Torterra (or Turtwig/Grotle if you don't evolve it)

[quaint solar]

The grass type ?

[mellow linden]

Yes

[quaint solar]

Who did you win this with?

[mellow linden]

Alternatives are BP Morty (the one with Mismagius), Misty + Psyduck, and others

[mellow linden]

I ran Cynthia + Courtney + Bertha

Maxie + Hilbert + a decent 3rd team member should work just as well if not better

[quaint solar]

Thanks for the advises. Gave up. No point of raging 😤

[mellow linden]

Can always take another shot at it later today with one of the myriad options for a 3rd teammate

Seriously, there’s like a billion options (especially if the gradual healing parameter is on). BP Morty, Misty + Psyduck, Skyla, Dawn, Evelyn (if you have her), and probably even more

[void wyvern]

I think we need to take a look at the grids.

[hidden ore]

Gosh is there an alternative for 2k presync for Olivia?

Kinda want to give up at this point 😦

But I still want a 2k clear

[zealous karma]

I used Olivia alongside Acerola and fall Caitlin (2/5 Olivia) but any support works bether maybe ingo if you have him

[formal vigil]

If olivia not working just off type it

[hidden ore]

Dobt know who to offtype

Used Zeus rodents on Lucian already

Thought of Maxie, but he better for Aaron?

[zealous karma]

Idk most good off typers are special

[formal vigil]

You could use silver

[zealous karma]

Gio might work cause Calem was able to pre sync it

[hidden ore]

Used SsMorty for Lucian with rodentz😅😂

[zealous karma]

Those two don’t even need a third talk about murder

[hidden ore]

So my op options: D!Gloria, Maxie, ssSteven, Zerena (saving her for last), Archie, Renegade Cynthia, SsHilda & ssHilbert and ssN

[zealous karma]

Oh Zerena easy

Cynthia’s very easy

[hidden ore]

SsGio too

[zealous karma]

Glojo + ssgio with a gauge support should steamroll Flint

[hidden ore]

Which params?

[zealous karma]

In the pins preferably the pre sync one

[hidden ore]

And on r2?

[zealous karma]

Any round should work but round 2 would be nice sorry I had to do smth

[hidden ore]

Gosh I’m trying with Bertha Ingo Gio

But this

Almost….
ALMOST had it

Trying postsync now

So much rng

[trail smelt]

So interesting to see how varied each person’s CS MM experience is

4 hours and 36 minutes until reset, so good luck

[toxic cobalt]

Bring out your AaronLs

Or your Bertha Ls more like

[hidden ore]

Yea, Flint is painful

[cosmic vortex]

Anybody tried MC Solgaleo before on bertha steel weak? Just want to ask if solgaleo can clear it...because i thought i want to bring djgloria so i cannot use my gloria for Bertha

[zealous karma]

Pretty sure he can

[mellow linden]

If you’re using Dojo Gloria already against Bertha then adding Solgaleo should be more than sufficient for the clear

[cosmic vortex]

Neat

Plan to use hop, solgaleo, and djgloria

[mellow linden]

Yeah, that’s more than enough so long as you can manage gauge well enough

[toxic cobalt]

I remember suffering with Solgaleo and Hop. Hopefully DJ Gloria brings the debuffs.

[frosty axle]

Problem with Solgaleo is ground weak

[zealous karma]

I beat it with Hilbert jasmine and masked

[toxic cobalt]

Jasmine mvp

She's medium priority in my pull list

Wait which jasmine

[mellow linden]

Hop + Steven + Rachel is what I generally use for Steel weak stages (except Glacia because Glacia is dum)

[zealous karma]

Jasmine steelix

[toxic cobalt]

Jasmine mvp I got her 5/5

[zealous karma]

Ex her

[swift swan]

kicks door open

DID SOMEBODY SAY

AARON L

[toxic cobalt]

I want to put that image as the top on in my clear thread but it won't let me edit the image

[swift swan]

oh lord

we need Aaron L as the "thumbnail" for the CS forum, like the LG one here

[trail smelt]

I couldn’t make it work for MSol, Gloria, and Hop before haha

But that was before I EXed Gloria

[swift swan]

but I guess it requires the image to be on the very top of the forum?

[trail smelt]

Gonna see how the team does this time

If they’re still crap it’s back to Wikstrom/Steven/Hop flinch steel team

[mellow linden]

Hop + Steven + Rachel beats Bertha

I did that last Sinnoh CS

[swift swan]

I used Hop/EX Steven/Masked Royal

could presync bertha with postsync params

[mellow linden]

Oh, apparently I used Hop + Steven + Skyla last time

So even more accessible if you have Steven

[trail smelt]

Monotyping haha

[mellow linden]

I mean, not in my case, but a monotype clear is theoretically possible

[toxic cobalt]

I think so, and I'm not sure if it can be edited

[brazen fable]

That eva buff helped low key uwu

[toxic cobalt]

It's always a good feeling when evasion hax works for you

[brazen fable]

its kinda 50/50 sometimes

[wicked pebble]

How does this look to finish the type stuff?

[trail smelt]

Wait

For THIS week?

[trail smelt]

Go do it right now you have less then an hour

[wicked pebble]

I finished a while ago.

[toxic cobalt]

Well what is the question then?

[wicked pebble]

Um... I asked, didn't get an answer, anddecided to try

[keen jasper]

How many types have you gotten in?

[wicked pebble]

Now, all of them.

I had Dark, Ground, and Ice left.

[keen jasper]

?

[void wyvern]

Thankfully types carry over.

[swift swan]

R1: Special attack moves are powered up (avoid doing Flint here)
R2: Physical damage reduction at start
R3: Stat-lowering effects are more effective
R4: Physical attack moves are powered up
R5: Permanent field effects

PERMANENT FIELD EFFECTS

[zealous karma]

PERMA FOELDS

[swift swan]

anyway, R1 and R4 might be tricky

[zealous karma]

TJOSE ARE GOAYED PARAMS

Caps lock hype

[toxic cobalt]

HYPE

I rate these field params as altogetehr mid

[swift swan]

so which E4 would you recommend avoiding in R4

[void wyvern]

I unironically did flint round one

[swift swan]

basically flint is mostly special, the other 3 are generally physical

[void wyvern]

Avoid Aaron. Mega horn go brrr

I don’t know how hard Bertha hits in comparison. But I’d imagine you’d want to fight Lucian round 4 because of his wise entry x2

[toxic cobalt]

Bertha hits

and you can't presync her

[void wyvern]

You can’t?

Is she that bulky?

[toxic cobalt]

Head start

Okay you can pre-sync her but if you can you're not asking here for help

[void wyvern]

Oh right….that

What do you mean again by presync?

Winning before they sync right?

[toxic cobalt]

yep

[void wyvern]

I’m gonna throw colress at Bertha see what happens

[swift swan]

eh you can if you hit hard enough, she's not too bulky

[toxic cobalt]

oooh

Colress 3/5?

[toxic cobalt]

I clarified!

[swift swan]

glad we don't have half sync countdown

it's been a while actually

good

[toxic cobalt]

I'm pretty sure I used half sync countdown on her last time because you're already there so why not

[void wyvern]

Yep!

I’ll test colress 3/5 without damage up physical param

Lmao

[toxic cobalt]

Tech nuke go brr

[void wyvern]

He’s a stupid good nuker

But the real question is. Can dizzying power colress clear Bertha?

[toxic cobalt]

Which multipliers?

[void wyvern]

For colress? Static shock 9, towering force, cs2, steel zone.

Has 371 base attack

Colress might actually be able to hit 99k on first sync

[toxic cobalt]

Oh is the paralysis jus tnot showing in the screenshot/

[void wyvern]

I don’t actually know tbh

Lemme do it again

Because his base sync booster is paralysis.

[toxic cobalt]

That is why i was looking for it in the screenshot

[swift swan]

steven dealt 11k damage on sides first sync but didn't crit on bertha ugh

[void wyvern]

Actually if you reaaaaaaally zoom into the picture.

You can see the paralysis

[toxic cobalt]

Sir this is discord

[void wyvern]

Hehe. Discord go brrrr

[swift swan]

attempt number 2 of steven not critting mid

[void wyvern]

I thought we weren’t supposed to use physical attackers

[toxic cobalt]

Hmm? She has wise entry sides (???)

[swift swan]

what, against bertha?

yeah, she has wise entry but only on sides

[void wyvern]

Lmao I actually can’t read.

[swift swan]

you're thinking of steel-weak glacia with sentry entry x2 maybe

[toxic cobalt]

Anti-Raihan mechanic for some reason

[void wyvern]

I was reading your recommended guides and I thought it said not recommended. I’m the goofball

Also I wish Renegade Cynthia had soften up

[void wyvern]

I don’t get the anti raihan when no one pulled for him.

[devout sluice]

I’m hating this steel week

Even with Gio and Steven, still not enough

[void wyvern]

If you’re struggling on steel weak. My suggestion is striker jasmine

[swift swan]

what move level is steven

[devout sluice]

3 both Gio and Steven 3

[swift swan]

Hop/Masked Royal/EX Steven survived Bertha's sync with presync params

[swift swan]

huh, gio's max move should nuke bertha just fine

[void wyvern]

Just being a support ex. Sync with them. Max move with Gio well his SEUN is active. Win.

[devout sluice]

I’m doing max damage. Don’t wanna do max defense

Problem is, my premeter is max damage

But if I do max defense it’ll take forever

[void wyvern]

So…take some hp

[swift swan]

I think strength is better

bertha doesn't hit too hard. I went full attack + full PoH + strength 7 and won

[devout sluice]

If only I had steel zone.

[void wyvern]

I love having every zone in the game currently

[devout sluice]

Forget it, toxic stall, max hp

[void wyvern]

I honestly think just diversifying your points into strength and damage will be fine.

[toxic cobalt]

Good luck

[void wyvern]

I love nuking people. But than realizing you don’t have the nuke grid

[swift swan]

alright, cleared Lucian with Red/SSR Cynthia/Morty with basically two-turn moves DPS. just like last time, the two-turn moves messed with my countdown so bad even Red couldn't fix it. Lucian got to sync, everyone died, and Morty's Last Word dealt 7k damage and cllutched me a win

if I had a penny for every time Last Word clutched me a win, I'd have 3 pennies now lmao

[void wyvern]

I hope they never do sentry entry x2 ghost weak

[toxic cobalt]

Gunning for that achievement

[toxic cobalt]

Because you hate easy battles?

[void wyvern]

So I can forever laugh with Renegade Cynthia in wide entry x2

[swift swan]

on my way to Cynthia now. moment of truth: does Piercing Blows ignore Sand Screen?

...Victor's Piercing Blows passive did not pop up against Sand Screen

[void wyvern]

I figured that would be how it works

[swift swan]

neither did N

I think I can conclude that Piercing Blows (or any other derivative) can't ignore Sand Screen

[void wyvern]

Colress is so cracked

[swift swan]

So here are the videos I recorded yesterday. Piercing Blows popped up against Acute Senses but not against Wise Entry x2

[devout sluice]

I can’t do it

[void wyvern]

Well.

Would you like some help?

[devout sluice]

Yes PLEASE

[swift swan]

Here I tried Piercing Blows against Sand Screen. The passive didn't pop up. I even tried with 2 units

[void wyvern]

Show us your support ex’s

[devout sluice]

I been stuck with this lady for an hour

[void wyvern]

We’ll craft a team around 3/5 SS Giovanni

So. We’ll start with a support ex

[void wyvern]

As cool as Steven is. He doesn’t actually provide for the team.

I just need to create a Giovanni grid for you

Give me ooooone second

[frigid iron]

Well he kinda of does cz Giovanni cant steel nuke. But its giovanni so match prob over before first hit

[swift swan]

yeah, wouldn't recommend dual striking with both Steven and giovanni

[void wyvern]

@devout sluice here is a grid for gio.

So the plan is. Do whatever you want with gio. But make sure to use his TM “World of pain.” right before you sync with burgh. That way you have SEUN up for your max moce

Does that sound good

[swift swan]

aaaand completed CS for today. Permanent field effects vs Cynthia is

[swift swan]

or you can use his TM first turn but don't use super effective move until his max move (which should be after EX support sync)

[devout sluice]

Then who should the center be replaced?

[swift swan]

@full mesa conclusion: it seems like Piercing Blows can't ignore Sand Screen. you can see my recording vs Cynthia a few messages below

[void wyvern]

Marley or any speed support

[full mesa]

Ok mate. I'll check it in an hour or so. I was wrong.

[swift swan]

Wow look at my hall of fame guys

[void wyvern]

Ngl colress having infliction freebie 9 over charging infliction is so hot.

[swift swan]

forget the solos or duos, have you tried beating Sinnoh CS with 0 units

[devout sluice]

Plan almost worked.

[void wyvern]

What went wrong?

[devout sluice]

1 HKO on Gio

[void wyvern]

Okay.

Which round is this on?

[devout sluice]

Round 2

[void wyvern]

The parameters need to be fixed

Let me come up with something reaaaallly quick

[toxic cobalt]

Damn I've never managed that

[devout sluice]

As long as I can beat this lady Pokémon, the sides AOE be another issue.

[void wyvern]

Don’t worry. I’ve solved that

This is going to be an off brand point setup

[toxic cobalt]

Makes sense. Stats stats stats.

They're onto our piercing blows meta

[void wyvern]

Physical special reduction
Atk def up by 10%
No status conditions
Strength 1
Sync buff
Ally healing down
Power on hit 1 and 2
Gradual healing
Max sync countdown 2 (yes I typed this right)
Max hp up 4
Strength 3
Move gauge limit

[river pagoda]

Do these teams look ok? I did Aaron R1 alr planning on doing Bertha next, I think I can nuke her but grimsley isn't strong enuff yet, maybe gridding him or raisin wud help

[void wyvern]

@devout sluice

[river pagoda]

The random bad units r to fill out the remaining 7 types I have left

Bug, dark, electric, normal, poison, rock, psychic

[toxic cobalt]

Try to frontload the random bad units

[void wyvern]

If I’m right you should just one shot Bertha with your max nuke and the sides should do a lot less

[toxic cobalt]

lol SS Hilbert is a random bad unit?

[river pagoda]

Nah I meant like

Bad for the team

[void wyvern]

Blegh. Ss Hilbert is so basic

[river pagoda]

He did do a lot on Aaron cuz of his passive but ua

Ya*

[toxic cobalt]

Well Nanu is good for any team!

[river pagoda]

WDYM by this? ;0

[void wyvern]

Imagine using Nanu when you can colress I have a problem

[river pagoda]

He's just a lil extra when I alr have grimsley dbeuffing def thts all

[toxic cobalt]

Also Roxanne is a good unit

Best nanu use is guaranteed flinch

[river pagoda]

On his atk move?

I don't have half these guys gridded so they don't do as well as they can

[toxic cobalt]

True. Odd on then.

[void wyvern]

Nanu doesn’t actually get aggravation on his grid. It’s sad

[river pagoda]

O fr

Rip

[void wyvern]

He deserved the 90% flinch

[river pagoda]

😔

[toxic cobalt]

Bertha could work with lucky Hop mpr

[river pagoda]

Ya

Nearly got Bertha but she hit the sync move

And I cudnt counterattack cuz apparently it doesn't work off of sync hits

[toxic cobalt]

Flint team is OP. Lucian team Koga is a better poison filler. Cynthia team what is may doing?

[void wyvern]

Rain

[toxic cobalt]

SS Grimsley is finicky to use

[toxic cobalt]

What is rain doing?

[void wyvern]

You want to change weather to avoid sand screen

[toxic cobalt]

Ah yes

[void wyvern]

And Cyrus in rain go brrr

[toxic cobalt]

Dragon week I'd just special rend

[void wyvern]

I would too

Lucas my beloved

[swift swan]

hmmm actually, now that I think about it, I need to test it with Anni N to be sure. Sand Screen raises special defense by 50% so I need to use a Piercing Blows unit that's special-based

[toxic cobalt]

Lucas can't change weather

[swift swan]

sadly my anni N was already used on the previous round ughhh

can someone with Anni N test it

[toxic cobalt]

Sounds like a job for Annlili

[swift swan]

my test subjects were N and Victor, both physical-based

[river pagoda]

Wudnt her weather kill me before I can kill her if I'm just using spacial rend and no rain?

[trail smelt]

Easily done… for the most part. Surprisingly Steel team was one and done, much like the rest, but I just couldn’t push SSynthia past Cynthia in a monotype team. Drake is not a good support for his fellow dragons haha, so I dropped SSynthia and brought Zerena in instead. Worked like a charm.

[swift swan]

but she doesn't have the passive Piercing Blows so we can't see it activating or not

[toxic cobalt]

Use the rain, that's my bad

[trail smelt]

Ready for next week

[river pagoda]

Who else wud be a good steel atker for this week? Sol?

[river pagoda]

Ah oki

[trail smelt]

I am ESPECIALLY excited for Aaron

[toxic cobalt]

Who you got gridded?

[trail smelt]

I’m gonna have Pikachu stomp all over his dead electrocuted body

[river pagoda]

Barely anyone 😔 I started like 1.5 weeks ago

[toxic cobalt]

Why not 3 pikachu?

[river pagoda]

Sshilda, sshilbert, Skyla, Cyrus, sycamore, hop, Mina, thts it I thin

Think*

[trail smelt]

Good luck to those without SST Red, Ash, and NY Volkner though

I’ve been there

[void wyvern]

If I had a dollar for every idiot proof Pikachu I’d be very rich.

[toxic cobalt]

Any steel type then.

[trail smelt]

Forcing Elesa past Aaron was NOT fun

[toxic cobalt]

The main challenge is surviving so hope you get hop mprs

[trail smelt]

So much RNG

[river pagoda]

Bertha sync straight up ohkos nanu and grimsley

[devout sluice]

You saved me thank you thank you.

[trail smelt]

For one I skipped SST Red

[void wyvern]

Hehe. Just a bit of creative thinking

[toxic cobalt]

Yep

[river pagoda]

Even with hop mpr I got 3 of his tms off but tht wasn't enuff

I can get Bertha down to like 40% hp