Champion Stadium

[zealous karma]

Round 2 is physical moves up

[boreal rose]

Oh

[tribal agate]

yeah mb i'm still stuck in last week

[boreal rose]

But i was able to earlier

Also wgy?

[tribal agate]

for quad queue just make sure there isn't a field or weather at start or first turn and no passives proc'd on your tank as sync happens

[zealous karma]

Sonia doesn’t really allow you to quad queue because of her Spd up thing

[tribal agate]

y e a h

that's why i have Adrenaline 1 on her

[boreal rose]

[tribal agate]

she boosts team speed when hit

[boreal rose]

This little&

[tribal agate]

did you get hit by a sync move there?

[boreal rose]

Yes i have aggrevation

[boreal rose]

Yep

But also

Torkal attacked

Not like i thought houndoom

[tribal agate]

if you have some i'd genuinely try rolling Adrenaline 1 on Sonia

[zealous karma]

Same lel

[boreal rose]

Why?

[zealous karma]

Her passive is really annoying

[tribal agate]

she can't quad queue

[zealous karma]

It prevents quad queues

If the enemy attacks her

[boreal rose]

Why?

[cinder summit]

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Sync Pairs with Passive:

Sonia & Yamper

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[tribal agate]

because of this

[boreal rose]

And?

[tribal agate]

i said earlier

[boreal rose]

I dont quite get it

[tribal agate]

if an allied pair procs a passive before sync happens

quad queue is impossible

[boreal rose]

Procs?

[tribal agate]

activates

[boreal rose]

But i was able to

Ik cuz Flint sync after Olivia

[zealous karma]

Prolly cause the enemy used X speed all instead of an Atk

[boreal rose]

Would sync

This time it didn't work sadly

[zealous karma]

But flinch should achieve the same thing as quad queu

[boreal rose]

But i was able to

[tribal agate]

what Richu said, it's either cause the enemy didn't atk or you had a lucky flinch at the right moment

[zealous karma]

Did you try to follow what I did here 🦑

[boreal rose]

So what Skill shoudk sonia have

I doubt i have the candy

But still

[tribal agate]

Adrenaline 1

she's bulky enough to disregard vigilance

[boreal rose]

I have 3

[tribal agate]

eek

well

[boreal rose]

[tribal agate]

i don't think 3 is worth rolling it's not a high chance to get it

[boreal rose]

Can this work for now?

[tribal agate]

just leave Vigilance

and try to follow Richu's video

[boreal rose]

She doesnt have it

She has acuity

Cuz i was unable to have Vigilance on her

[tribal agate]

well ig that's better yes

[boreal rose]

Maybe they will lice for longer

*live

[zealous karma]

Healthy healing can be useful for now

[boreal rose]

Also how does Olivia raise her speed?

[zealous karma]

To offset sand damage

Her passive amped up

[tribal agate]

Sonia raises team speed as well

[boreal rose]

Through potions ik

[tribal agate]

no

#1009554906568462476 message

Potion is MGA

[boreal rose]

But Rich said Olivia raises her speed earlier

[zealous karma]

She does

[candid juniper]

I just beat flint stage 2 with Acerola (1/5) Sonia (1/5 no ex) and Olivia (4/5 no ex)

So it’s definitely possible with the resources you have

[tribal agate]

https://streamable.com/raxi9t

follow this video again

try to make it similar

[boreal rose]

This gane hates

[tribal agate]

does your Olivia have CS2?

[boreal rose]

Idk

I cant give it to her tho

[tribal agate]

why not

[boreal rose]

She doesn't have it

[tribal agate]

yes those

they give plenty during daily bonanza and battle villa open do you not do those or did you just run out?

[boreal rose]

Maybe

16 ledt

[boreal rose]

I dont do villa

Too hard

[tribal agate]

ah

[zealous karma]

Villa can be cleared with Cyrus Winona and Rosa

[boreal rose]

Ok she got it

[boreal rose]

Ok

Wait

Oops

[tribal agate]

Villa also gives 1000+ gems so it's super important, make sure you check the guides on that

[boreal rose]

What guides

[tribal agate]

#1009564564821639379 pins

[zealous karma]

There’s also bonanza

[tribal agate]

yeah i quoted that as well

[zealous karma]

O lel

[boreal rose]

I dont see any guides therw

[tribal agate]

click the pin

[boreal rose]

Ye

I did

[tribal agate]

you don't see the pin from Santos? https://i.imgur.com/m451UZ8.png

[boreal rose]

I do bonanza btw

Oh that

I thought guides are different

Idk why

[tribal agate]

anyway

my last advice before i go is if you cannot do 2k, there is no harm in settling for 1500 points

better that than hitting your head over rng issues or missing cookies

[boreal rose]

But people call CS easy

[tribal agate]

who cares what people say, you're wasting precious time irl over 2500 points for what, 15 battle points and bragging rights to nobody?

[zealous karma]

Because they have built up a lot of pairs and probably been playing longer

Sinnoh is also very hard compared to other CS regions

Especially witha. Smaller roster

[tribal agate]

https://i.imgur.com/UKMxRWv.png

try this one

take it at your pace

pick the Olivia team again

[boreal rose]

Also i do care abt what others say

A lit in fact

[tribal agate]

if you do then listen to me lol

[boreal rose]

Not in a good way

[boreal rose]

As in thsi

Olivia didnt crit

[full mesa]

Happens to the best of us. Just retry. Eventually it'll happen. Possibilities are with you.

[mint cedar]

Cynthia is kicking my butt

[zealous karma]

Who are you using?

[mint cedar]

Special attackers, didn't notice wise entry x2 so I'm going to grid Mina and use her with ss wally

[zealous karma]

Sswally can still destroy cynthi if he’s 3/5 Ex

[mint cedar]

Mine is 1/5

[zealous karma]

Ah

What fairy special attackers were you using cause I beat the stage with PSerena once when she was 2/5 and once when 3/5 🦑I’m just curious

[mint cedar]

Ss wally was the only one I had, and Valerie. Beat it with this random team

[white gale]

next week's ghost weak has Wise Entry x 2? So if you don't have SS Korrina, do you just off-type it?

[zealous karma]

Gio candy Sitll clear the stage pre sync lel

Albeit this is the team I used

[white gale]

I don't have that ice cream pokemon 😦 (or whatever it is)

[zealous karma]

If you have Lucian he accomplishes the same thing

Amy spdef debuffer works

[white gale]

so with SpDef drops and Shadow BAll, you can pre sync?

[zealous karma]

Ye

[white gale]

wow, makes his Wise Entry seem sort of... useless

oh my MEwtwo isn't Ex'd though. sadge

[zealous karma]

Gio is just Very good lel

Even if I hate to admit it

He doesn’t need to be

Roxanne can be replaced with support ex

[white gale]

oh ok, yeah I can do that

[toxic cobalt]

Is Wise entry effectively the same as removing on type advantage?

I don’t know exactly how the maths works for each

[zealous karma]

Ye pretty much

[toxic cobalt]

But how pretty is the much

Anyway glad Gio can do it

Ghost physical is lacking

[zealous karma]

It’s basically the same thing as off typing

[swift swan]

math-wise, it should

[keen silo]

what does a type rebuff exactly do? just curious

[zealous karma]

Basically at -2 it’s like zone

[keen silo]

so target has -2 fire rebuff, moves will hit as if there's fire zone?

[zealous karma]

Ye

[swift swan]

-1 rebuff on target = takes 30% more damage
-2 = 50%
-3 = 60%

[plucky pewter]

then you combine zone and rebuff and just enjoy the big numbers from all the things

[keen jasper]

Ok, I finally managed to damage cap this week's Cynthia with SS Wally

[swift swan]

[fringe valve]

Its crazy there's unit's like SS steven an ash that can off type wise entry cs stages.

[boreal rose]

This game genuingly hates me

[toxic cobalt]

Acerola should always be queued last

[boreal rose]

Why

[toxic cobalt]

To benefit the most from flinches

[elfin wigeon]

Hey guys I gotta figure out what are my 5 best teams I can make out of those :

[boreal rose]

[swift swan]

Completely fair and balanced

[swift swan]

Where are the rest of your legendary adventures units plus their dupes

[river pagoda]

What should my strat be for hard mode Cynthia if I'm using this team w these as mina's grid tiles

I've tried to scrounge up as many 3* power ups as I cud to raise mina

She's at 13/20 rn

[swift swan]

Can you get Sharp Entry 1 instead of Critical Eye on TM? That way you can spend the first 3 turns using Charm and let Torchic buff your crit completely

[river pagoda]

This look better? I gave up a power boost to sync move to get to sharp entry

aghgh

iw as soc lose

literally a pinch of health

but she got her sync move off

[toxic cobalt]

[river pagoda]

and then i think i flinched or something i cudnt get off the next two play rough's

😩

tht sync nuke on mina was insane tho

11k dmg

[toxic cobalt]

So close means you'll get it next time

[river pagoda]

TRUE

cant wait for the next few 3* powerups i get

[swift swan]

That's very close. Just a matter of luck now

[river pagoda]

yeah

ill raise everyone more as much as i can

wud any lucky skills help here?

[toxic cobalt]

You can dump terrify 1

[river pagoda]

maybe a stat booster

o

[swift swan]

I suppose this works better then for better nuke damage

[river pagoda]

true shes using spatk isnt she

[toxic cobalt]

Well more relevantly you use charm 3 times so that's -6 alread

[river pagoda]

oh yeah i noticed only -1 on the 3rd charm

no wonder

forgot abt terrify

ty

[toxic cobalt]

Default lucky skill applies: CS1 or CS2

[swift swan]

Something like this, then spend the remaining 5 energy on play rough tiles I suppose

[river pagoda]

thx, ill do both of yalls recommendations

[river pagoda]

this is crtiical strike ya?

[swift swan]

Super duper effective helps with the DPS

[river pagoda]

wud u recommend dps over nuke here?

nuke seemed to do rlly well but my dps was lacking

idk

😩

[swift swan]

Nuke

[river pagoda]

aight

also

who shud i use misty's tm on

herself?

[swift swan]

That's why I'm taking nuke tiles

[river pagoda]

or mina

[river pagoda]

got it

[toxic cobalt]

Both Misty or one each

[swift swan]

1 on herself, if Mina ever gets to low health, you can give 1 to Mina so she gets gradual heals

The friendly care tile on her grid is appreciated but it doesn't matter much

[swift swan]

So make sure you charm 3 times before nuking mid

[river pagoda]

i see

thx

ya i was charming 3 times b4 too

worked like a charm

😩

wasnt expecting so much dmg from the sync

tht was actually crazy

i realized i actually have a chance now

cant wait till my roster is more built up and diversified

[swift swan]

You got this!

[river pagoda]

[river pagoda]

I DID IT

THANKS SO MUCH FOR ALL YOUR HELP YALL

[swift swan]

Congrats! Well done

[trail smelt]

I just kill Lucian with a smash from SSRynthia lol

[river pagoda]

thanks 🥰 the adrenaline rush after i finally killed cynthia within 2 play roughs after the nuke was insane

[trail smelt]

Congrats

[river pagoda]

then i took down absol and then focused rihgt

and i won

[trail smelt]

What’s with the colors though

[river pagoda]

almost woke up my roommate

[swift swan]

Sinnoh does give you a lot of adrenaline

[river pagoda]

ah thts just a night light i always have on

birth defect bad eyes

night light doesnt rlly do anything im just used to it at this point

[river pagoda]

i heard it was the hardest but this was the first time i ever tried cs and god it was hard

at least cynthia was

the rest wasn't too bad

[swift swan]

People raised with sinnoh or hoenn CS will find any other region dead easy

[river pagoda]

heres to hoping

either way tht was a cool challenge

looking forward to next week

[trail smelt]

I know one vet who for some reason has trouble in Kanto once lol

Even he had no idea what went wrong with his usual team

[swift swan]

Hm, next week's types aren't so bad

[river pagoda]

we know what they are already?]

[swift swan]

Yes, check pins

We know all the gimmicks too, if you go to pomatools

But I'll write gimmick summaries later this week

[river pagoda]

ooh i see this

fire steel psychic dragon ghost

[trail smelt]

Yep

Steel Bertha has some of the most complaints iirc

[river pagoda]

yikes

do the gimmicks change in between weeks?

or is the only thing tht hcnages the type weakness

[swift swan]

Weakness

Fire-weak aaron, for example, will always have the same stats, movepool, and gimmicks

No matter what week he appears in

[river pagoda]

ah but since bertha will be steel-weak next week

she'll have diff stuff?

stats, movepool, gimmicks etc?

[swift swan]

Yup

[river pagoda]

mm so probs not a good idea to raise a steel atker if i dont know what specific kind i need

[swift swan]

You can check all stages' gimmicks on pomatools (link in pins)

[river pagoda]

o theyre alr available

i c

[swift swan]

But I'll write a TLDR later this week too

[river pagoda]

aight

[swift swan]

Because damn looking through pomatools takes a long time

my TLDR is also long anyway

[swift swan]

Yup, so you can plan your teams from now if you want

[river pagoda]

looking at it now i see it

thx for the help

[swift swan]

[river pagoda]

Do these five teams work well for next week's CS? Not as confident on Lucian and Cynthia's teams tbh 😰

Ignore no.1 thts just for regular missions

gridding cyrus for dragon/spacial rend for dragon moves for cynthia*

also missing spatk boosts for giovanni until after sycamore sync so kinda concerned abt tht 😰

also offtyping lucian since i dont have any ghost units aside from acerola and base allister

[full mesa]

Wise entry x2 ghost weak Lucian

[river pagoda]

chose dawn for def+ since most of lucian team aside from left is physical

[full mesa]

You'll have to be lucky with Flint. Maybe throw away Bianca for something with more support.

[river pagoda]

maybe someone with +spatk or +spd so tht gio doesnt have to rely on sycamore sync?

[full mesa]

Someone like Roxanne

[river pagoda]

if i were to swap out rosa on my first team* for some other support e.g misty wud it be preferable to have her instead of roxanne for gio?

[keen jasper]

Would Selene work?

[full mesa]

Dunno. I don't have at 3/5 yet to test her. I'll off type too.

Unless, I might build a sync burst Phoebe.

[river pagoda]

ok i swapped misty in for rosa on aaron team

rosa isnt rlly doing anything there

putting her into gio team instead

[full mesa]

Dunno mate. Sinnoh is just too hard for me at 2k. It takes a lot. All I can say is that Flint hits too hard.

[river pagoda]

o

im a new player 😩 im on hard mode rn

[full mesa]

But yes. She has no place on your Sun team

[river pagoda]

yeah

just put her there cuz i didnt know what else to put and i wanted to save other supports for later stages

[full mesa]

Wait. How many types did you complete this week?

[river pagoda]

the orderin which i have those teams is the order im doing the stages

11/18

tht was such an adrenaline rush it took so long to get 3* powerups and orbs to raise mina

and i finally beat cynthia

first ever hall of fame

im hooked

😩

[full mesa]

So you are in a good path. Your Sun team can use a healer or/and something with +2/4 universal speed.

[river pagoda]

oo oki

ill check who i have

and go from there

[full mesa]

Yeah... Sinnoh is just the worst. Tough it out and you'll have an easier time with the rest.

[river pagoda]

thts what ive heard yeah LOL

its a cool challenge

rlly like tht this game kept most of the mechanics from mainline

aside from the whole real time stuff which i actually enjoy too

love the gameplay

[full mesa]

Good. Sinnoh is the best region in my opinion. It forces you to understand the basic mechanics and not just copy or use brain-dead teams. It's a huge challenge even at hard mode. Also I'm a bit biased because it was my very first challenge too.

[river pagoda]

awesome

yeah its actualy getting me to think abt the game and it makes it much more enjoyable

especially the adrenaline rush at the end

im done tinkering with my teams for now

i wanted to add in a few more types to fill in my medal so for now i swapped out rosa for roxane in my gio team

the week after next has electric and dark weak so i can fill in those around then

aside fom tht i still need poison normal and bug

[swift swan]

I agree. Sinnoh and Hoenn actually force you to look at the mechanics and not 1-click B Thunderbolt anyone raised with Sinnoh or Hoenn will find the rest of the regions dead easy

[swift swan]

Ideally you use the remaining 7 types you don't have, so you can get to 18/18 next week

Then start doing master mode, which is the real challenge

Or as I like to call it, CS on steroids, depending on the parameters

[river pagoda]

ill see what i can do

gotta get a bunch of mats first so i can lvl the units i need then

[swift swan]

Don't worry about this for now. Round parameters can affect the order you challenge the E4

And unlike weaknesses, we don't know what round parameters will be until the actual week comes

[river pagoda]

o fr?

i checked the pins and thought they were gonna be the same

thts what i based my order on

guess ill just swap around teams/units as i see fit next week instead

[swift swan]

Nope, they change every week and we don't know them in advance

[river pagoda]

i see

thanks for the info

ill just lookout for next week and change as needed

gonna head to bed now, gn and thx for all the help

[swift swan]

Good night! Congrats again for the clear

[boreal rose]

@swift swan

Oops

Wrong person

[swift swan]

Ayyy nice job

[boreal rose]

I'd tag Dreamy but idk if i can and should

Should i do this team for Aaron?

It is guage heavy so i want to ask

[swift swan]

Cynthia and Maxie want different weathers

[trail smelt]

Cynthia doesn’t want to be in sun lol

[swift swan]

Cynthia wants sand but they used Acerola already

Maxie vs Aaron should be overkill enough though

[trail smelt]

Observe

[boreal rose]

I was able to do it

Goth aesthetic?

[swift swan]

Lmao ss morty's gauge is too good

[boreal rose]

I did have guage issues tho

Couldnt quadqueue

Lucian gave up

Are Bertha and Flint the worst this week?

For 2k

From E4

[trail smelt]

Entirely depends on one’s roster and what they’re trying to do but yeah

Some Cynthia haters here and there

[boreal rose]

I mean

I synced with cynthia

yes she did 10k but thats beside the point

[trail smelt]

Not your Cynthia

The enemy Cynthia lol

[boreal rose]

Oh champ

I mean

I will have problems sith her-

I used Gloria instead of SumMarnie

Fairy Cynthia is hard

[swift swan]

Summer Marnie is better vs Cynthia compared to Gloria anyway

[trail smelt]

I’m so happy I got SSHilda haha. Her accuracy buff helped take care of Spiritomb’s minor evasion shenanigans

[keen jasper]

Hmmmm, Naomi's damage on Aaron is damn good

But I had ground zone so yeah

At the same time I don't have Ingo, and she dealt 30k on the 2nd sync

[trail smelt]

I’m not sure if Naomi has sand multipliers like Cynthia does

[keen jasper]

Is this assumed she's 5/5?

[swift swan]

She does iirc

[formal vigil]

She does its in her base kit

[trail smelt]

Ah I was wrong then

[hidden ore]

Hmm so the best order to beat, cause I forgor 💀, is non physical rounds Flint & Bertha?

No r3 Flint

Params post sync this time?

[boreal rose]

I did Bertha, Flint, Aaron, Lucian

Mostly cuz i dont have good sync pairs for Bertha and Flint

[keen jasper]

Flint, Bertha and Aaron can be done at R3

[keen jasper]

Just as long as you don't make it sunny

[hidden ore]

Main problem for me are params 🫠

Which one the best
Cause status stall is boring

[keen jasper]

Max HP and offensive params should be no problem

[hidden ore]

Debating between Presync and post sync

For Bertha

[trail smelt]

It’s a personal thing really, which one you like best

[hidden ore]

I want to test new N against her

[frosty axle]

post sync is better for slow to build up units

[winter glen]

N goes to town on bertha

[swift swan]

Status stall can be your best friend tho

Good ol' reliable

[boreal rose]

Its boring tho

Thank gof FIris exists tho

Ngl i wish i pulled for SSWall

I think i will throw away Sycamore

D put someone who raises speed

Through TM or something

Or i can use Ash but idk if she has that wuse entry irnsonethint

Well nevermind

She does

[trail smelt]

Hoenn VA was hell

Had to skip both SS May and Brendan AND Wally not long after eesh

Hmm wait

SS Wally was anniversary wasn’t it?

[swift swan]

A win is a win

[swift swan]

After anniversary

[keen silo]

I did Lucian, Flint, Aaron, Bertha

Bertha became annoying because my win condition was no crits from side pokemon

Otherwise my striker gets one shot.

[keen silo]

Same, but if not I lost to Bertha

I don't exactly remember why I had to resort to her but it probs was because my roxanne got one shot in a sandstorm 5 seconds into the battle

[dark osprey]

Changing the weather at the beginning would be better

[winter glen]

Bertha has surging sand 5

Weather is sort of the name of the game this week

[keen silo]

Oh wait wrong type LOL

Berthas recommended type was ice

Got confused

Ghetsis was gg useless

So I just used ssa cynthia hilda and gordie

Since I have no hailstormers

Bertha wasn't postsyncable at all from my experience unfortunately

Curious to see if anyone did her postsync

[dark osprey]

Candice is probably hiding in your roster

[winter glen]

Post sync aint that bad

[dark osprey]

ghetsis grid expansion does seem underrated tbh

[winter glen]

Dunno what people were expecting man already does great damage

"Not on the tier of silver's solar flare 9" they say when ghetsis was already that tier to begin with

[keen silo]

i keep getting one shot post sync

[boreal rose]

Damn. I have no way to on type or off type Cynthia

Is it known if next week there will be wise entry?

Even Mina cant do it

Takes 1k damage to sync

[formal vigil]

You can still use Ash as long you bring a spdef debuffer or electric terain either that or run Ash with marnie and bring a support that buffs speed for guage management

[frigid iron]

Tried stalling?

[swift swan]

Next week we have Ghost-weak Lucian with Wise Entry x2 and Steel-weak Bertha has Wise Entry x3 (sides)

[frigid iron]

Eh they tryna ban Raihan users lol???

[swift swan]

Definitely not critting. or wrong grid

[swift swan]

But on the other hand, Steel-weak Glacia has Sentry Entry x2

[frigid iron]

I think they mean mina takes 1k dmg to enemy sync and dies

[swift swan]

So they're trynna ban anyone not named Raihan

[swift swan]

Presync is the way then. Should be doable, Cynthia doesn't have extra HP or anything

[frigid iron]

Yep

She doesnt have any dangerous moves either

[boreal rose]

Sync nuke grid also she takes 1k damge

[boreal rose]

Ghost weak Lucian. With wise entry

Well im doing hard mode next week ig

[frigid iron]

Morty and Cynthia time

[boreal rose]

Cynthia?

Ground type?

[frigid iron]

Ssr cynthia

And giratina

The stage is made to promote her

[boreal rose]

Oh

Who to use

[frigid iron]

Are you doing master mode

[swift swan]

Use the presync params. Mina's 2nd sync is enough to OHKO Cynthia

[boreal rose]

I did use tgen

She didnt even get to sync

She died

[boreal rose]

Ye

[swift swan]

Did she get killed by cynthia's sync or an AOE move

Because Mina can presync. If not, Summer Marnie works too

[boreal rose]

[boreal rose]

Sync

[boreal rose]

None of them do

[dark osprey]

Shouldn't be trying with a special attack team

[boreal rose]

Wdym

[dark osprey]

Go for a physical attacking team

[swift swan]

Summer marnie is enough. Her dps and sync are both physical. You just need a physical support and some speed

[boreal rose]

But its stall

I tried to do with her

[dark osprey]

With Fall Iris?

[boreal rose]

Absol too strong

Ye

Why

[boreal rose]

Yeah

What is it?

[boreal rose]

Whats wrong abt her

The absol takes 6k from posion

[dark osprey]

For stalling she's not needed

[boreal rose]

Why?

Also i do not have anyone to stall with so...
Also Cynthia only uses Snarl and Koga misses every move

[swift swan]

Lucy or BP Erika, Janine, tank

A specially defensive tank bcs cynthia's stage is mainly special

[boreal rose]

I dont think i have a good tank

[swift swan]

Because Iris has the much better hyper beam damage, relying on stalling when there's FIris is a waste

[swift swan]

Sycamore?

[boreal rose]

Sycamore dies pretty quickly

[full mesa]

True. He needs to land all Horn Leech. I used BPMorty/SSLeaf/Janine.

[swift swan]

In a stall comp (and against special-oriented opponents in general), he shouldn't

Even R5 parameter benefits stalling

[boreal rose]

Wdym?

[swift swan]

Then just take the status conditions parameter if you want to stall

[full mesa]

Don't forget the Eva shenanigans. Janine has to land all debuffs and mid constantly boost spa.

[swift swan]

When you stall, you want to debuff the opponents offenses as much as possible so you take less damage. Round 5 parameter makes stat debuffs more effective

[boreal rose]

Eva?

[boreal rose]

What?

[swift swan]

Recuperation on grid helps too. Horn leech is just extra help on top of that

[full mesa]

Evasion.

[boreal rose]

I dont think Cynthia is stallable

[full mesa]

She is. That's how I did her. Impossible to do otherwise.

For me.

[swift swan]

1. You inflict poison or bad poison on your opponent
2. You debuff your opponents offensive stats (attack, special attack, speed) so they hit you less hard. This is why I recommended Janine with Venom Drench
3. The round parameter against Cynthia makes stat debuffs more effective. So you'll take even less damage from debuffed opponents than you usually would
4. Keep healing yourself and outlive the opponent, simple as that

[full mesa]

Also BPClemont is a perfect tank. Vigilance, Heal on sync, +6 def buffs with mpr, +4 ACC at least.

[swift swan]

Almost every CS stage, if not all of them, is stallable

People have done full-stall CS runs before

[boreal rose]

Its not. If it woukd be i woukd probably do it

Cheated probably

[swift swan]

just because it seems impossible for you doesn't mean it's actually impossible for others. Chaos here stalled Cynthia at 2k. Mind showing a screenshot of your Cynthia clear, Chaos?

[boreal rose]

But CS is easy

Why cant i do it then?

[full mesa]

Yep. It was back on May last time. May I have some time to do it again?

What's my roster?

[swift swan]

Wrong parameters, wrong move order, wrong grid, a lot of things can happen

[swift swan]

Did you not post it in #archive-stage-clears perhaps?

[boreal rose]

Im using the parametres from pin

[swift swan]

The stall one?

[full mesa]

I don't post in general.

Ok. I'll try with Sycamore/Janine/Who else do you need me to use?

[boreal rose]

Yes

I dont even beat 1 enemy now

[swift swan]

If you want to try stalling with Lucy/Janine/Sycamore, use the status stall parameter. If not, use the standard presync parameter with either Mina or Summer Marnie (I suppose you can run them both together with good speed support)

[swift swan]

Lucy

[full mesa]

But I usually wouldn't use Sycamore since we have MistyDuck.

[swift swan]

Hmmm idk if Apple has that

[full mesa]

Ok. Let me build her and I'm on.

[swift swan]

Or BP Morty

[full mesa]

They should. She rerun a couple months ago. They play since June.

[swift swan]

No pressure though, you don't have to if you're busy

[full mesa]

Nah. I'm chilling for first time since Monday.

[full mesa]

Do you have either MistyDuck or BPMorty?

[boreal rose]

I dont have one

Speed support

[boreal rose]

Misty

[full mesa]

Then I'll use her.

I'm off. I'll @ you both in 15-20 or so.

[swift swan]

Sycamore is a speed support. You can take the permanent field effects parameter so his move gauge acceleration becomes permanent

[boreal rose]

Its slow

[swift swan]

He literally gives +6 speed to all teammates on sync, on top of move gauge. Summer Marnie is quite slow with a 4-bar move, but that's what Sycamore is for

[boreal rose]

Yeah but you need to sync with Syca

I ususally sync with EX support

So yeah

[swift swan]

Mina gets no crit here. What team are you running her with?

Mina should be able to clear with no EX support sync

[boreal rose]

Wdym

[boreal rose]

As in here

[swift swan]

What team did you run Mina with

When you said she died to sync

[boreal rose]

Lillie and Syca

Also dont blame me for the grid. I used the #1009587872342478908 grid

[swift swan]

The grid there is just a recommendation or guide and sometimes you need to tweak them depending on teams. Lillie can only give Mina sure crit twice so you're missing out on a lot of damage

[boreal rose]

Oh and triple queue is inpossible it hink

[boreal rose]

Why?

Ik nothing abt grids

[swift swan]

Grids can make or break a unit

[boreal rose]

[swift swan]

Triplequeue is never impossible unless you're having phone issues

[boreal rose]

Thats not good

[boreal rose]

It is impossible

4 guage move and 2 3 guage moves

Marnie: 4 fairy, Mina: 3: play rough, Syca: 3 horn leech

[frigid iron]

You should read tiles and see what you can utilise in your time. For example, if a unit has cakewalk in their grid (the more the target's speed is lowered, the more user deals sync damage), its a huge multiplier but if your team doesnt have a reliable way of debuffing the enemy's speed, you are basically wasting your grid

[swift swan]

In this grid. Mina can take Critical Eye on TM and TM MPR (bottom right) to max her own crit. Then her placement with Lillie and Sycamore in your team would fit. But Lillie can't give +3 crit to Mina, she can only give Sure Crit at least twice. So of course you're missing out on a lot of damage if you're not critting most of the time

[boreal rose]

That doesnt help me

[swift swan]

You don't always have to use attack moves though? Use TMs. Marnie can keep using Spirit Break and Mina can just use Charm until she nukes (idk how impactful Marnie's nuke is). But you need max crit

[boreal rose]

Mina does 500 dmg

[swift swan]

Because she's not critting. She doesn't get +3 crit from that team, nor from her grid

[frigid iron]

Marnie's nuke is definitely better since she has base rising tide

[boreal rose]

And dies to sync

[frigid iron]

I think they should nuke with marnie

[swift swan]

She can get +3 crit on grid if you build the grid correctly

[swift swan]

Marnie it is, then

[boreal rose]

Idk how to build grids

[frigid iron]

Whats marnie's move level?

[swift swan]

So you take the presync params and kill Cynthia before she can sync. Either Marnie or Mina can do the job

[boreal rose]

What params you think im using?

[boreal rose]

1

[frigid iron]

What do you think you are using

Are you sure you dont have "No stat reduction" selected

Because if it is, you are wasting time with Mina

[boreal rose]

I changed that

Obv

Ifk much abt Mina but that is one thing i do know

Also Marnie

[frigid iron]

what i suggest is, use marnie, support ex, and a sp def buffer. Spend first three turns buffing marnie with bulk up and sync with support ex. Then use spirit break with marnie on sides only and second sync on center

[swift swan]

Would 1/5 Marnie sync be enough to OHKO center?

I guess with bulk up it should be

[frigid iron]

I think she can

[boreal rose]

I use bulk up 3 times

And as i said

[swift swan]

And this would require perfect quadqueueing then, or at least a denial

[boreal rose]

Absol is the worst

[swift swan]

Then you hit the Absol a few times so when it eventually becomes a threat, it's only 1 shot away from dying

[frigid iron]

Most pre sync comps do

[boreal rose]

You think what am i doing

[frigid iron]

Your replies sure dont reflect on that

[swift swan]

Can you possibly record your clear so we can see what went wrong

Instead of making us guess what you're doing

[frigid iron]

You are saying you die to sync when you should know that you are not aiming to survive sync. You gotta know what you are doing

[boreal rose]

What

[swift swan]

Alright can you screenshot your remaining supports so we can build this

[full mesa]

@swift swan @boreal rose here it is. Easier than trying with Zeus' rodents.

[swift swan]

Oh, nice

[full mesa]

At 2k stall parameters. All you have to do is focus on side and Leech horn away.

[boreal rose]

Mina sucks

[swift swan]

Everything "sucks" if you don't know how to use it well

[boreal rose]

She just does

[swift swan]

Mina's been clearing Fairy-weak Cynthia left and right in #1010274591601598555 . But a unit needs the right set-up and support. Grids. Team comps. Move queues. RNG. They all matter

[boreal rose]

Doubt

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMFmFQxrP/

[swift swan]

#1011675077764456519 message doubt, eh

[boreal rose]

What abt it

[swift swan]

Mina doesn't get crit in that team. Of course Play Rough only does 500 damage. Either you switch to a different grid build or switch out a team member.

Second, no wonder Sycamore's dying so quickly. No Vigilance lucky skill. This doesn't matter as much as Mina lacking crit, but still

[swift swan]

Another option would be to try this stall team from Chaos

Although no Vigilance can damage your stall run

[swift swan]

Third option: Summer Marnie/Support EX/speed buffer

[boreal rose]

Show me a grid tgen

Cuz idk a grid that raises her crit

[swift swan]

Yknow the best way to learn is to experiment instead of blindly asking and copying.

This is the grid I would use. Makes her self sufficient with crit but still keeps the DPS tiles. You need to use Mina's TM twice, then Charm

Marnie syncs

[boreal rose]

I tried to make a grid a few times before

They sucked

[swift swan]

Well don't let that deter you from trying again. Trial and error is how you learn

[boreal rose]

Or get depression

[swift swan]

That's another way to look at things, sure. But your point of view is beyond my control

[frigid iron]

You sure you wanna do this? Sounds like you are forcing yourself to do smth you dont want to

[swift swan]

If that doesn't work, try stalling with this. Or follow Giyu's idea of Summer Marnie + EX support + Sp def buffer. Special defense buffer can be Misty or Elio if you have him

[frigid iron]

Just take a break and come back later if you are tired. You still have 3 days

[boreal rose]

Would Rosy work?

[swift swan]

I really gotta go to sleep now, plus my phone's dying. Someone else will be available to help I'm sure. Don't push yourself too hard, Sinnoh is admittedly not easy. Gn

[frigid iron]

I assume you mean rosa. No, she isnt a sp def bufer. Support ex can be lillie, she is EXed right

[boreal rose]

But people told me CS is Easy tho?

[boreal rose]

She isnt?

[frigid iron]

Sinnoh is the hardest CS

[boreal rose]

What abt her umm

Energy ball

[frigid iron]

What part of energy ball says special defense buffs

[boreal rose]

Oh buffs

Lillie doesnt buff sp def too

[frigid iron]

Even if we were talking about debuffs, 10% is as good as 0

[frigid iron]

She can be support ex

[boreal rose]

Also i think ofnnot using Mina

[frigid iron]

Then dont

Use summer marnie-a support ex tank - misty

[boreal rose]

Which Misty

Normal?

[frigid iron]

Misty and Starmie

Use support candies on them if you have any

[boreal rose]

Whoch of these 2 to use?

[frigid iron]

Misty

She doesnt have ex

She is a 3 star

[boreal rose]

Oh

Mine is 4*

[frigid iron]

Unless you upgraded her

Thats not a problem

Whats the move level?

[boreal rose]

She also is ungridded

[boreal rose]

5/5

[frigid iron]

Okay, grid her

[boreal rose]

How?

I mean

MP refresh probably

Thats all ik

[frigid iron]

Use x sp def all 3 times, then use misty's tm on Lillie

With marnie, bulk up 3 times, then spirit break accordingly

With lillie, just use x accuracy all and use her tm on marnie just before marnie syncs (on 2nd sync)

Sync with Lillie first

[boreal rose]

Here is what i did

[frigid iron]

Do this

[boreal rose]

Oh

[boreal rose]

What avt Manrie TM

[frigid iron]

No need to use it

[boreal rose]

Huh

[frigid iron]

Make sure not to use moonblast with lillie or hydro pump with misty

[boreal rose]

Ehy

[frigid iron]

Because its not needed

What will you use her tm for?

[boreal rose]

Endure

[frigid iron]

Sp def buffs? Misty alrdy gives that. Speed wont be needed

[boreal rose]

Gradual healing

Speed

[frigid iron]

Gradual heal isnt required for marnie

Neither is endure

[boreal rose]

Then speed

[frigid iron]

You wont need speed. We alrdy took bubblebeam mgr and disarming voice mgr to keep up

[boreal rose]

Disarming voice mgr?

[frigid iron]

Lillie's grif

Grid

[boreal rose]

[frigid iron]

Did you not take it

[frigid iron]

Why have you taken half of the useless tiles there

Oof

[boreal rose]

Im pretty sure its from #1009587872342478908

[frigid iron]

@boreal rose

She has adrenaline. You are lucky

No need to quadqueue

[boreal rose]

Whats adrenaline

[frigid iron]

As november said before, you need to tweak grids according to your need

[boreal rose]

I am unabke to

[mellow linden]

Automatic -1 to the Sync counter after that pair’s 1st Sync

[frigid iron]

The tile at top right. Decreases sync countdown when you sync with the sync pair

[mellow linden]

Means no need to quadqueue

[boreal rose]

So umm. . Worse SSMay

Lear has similair too i think

[frigid iron]

Random comparison

[mellow linden]

That’s not a good comparison in the slightest, but ok

[boreal rose]

They also have -x to sync counter

[frigid iron]

And a LOT of pairs do this, you cant sit down and compare

[boreal rose]

[frigid iron]

So does every unit if you have enough lucky cookies

Can we pls stay on the topic

[mellow linden]

Lillie has innate Synchro Healing, right? Should help with survivability too if so

[frigid iron]

She does

[boreal rose]

Why not take this?

[frigid iron]

Also got misty's friendly care for that help

[boreal rose]

We are in topic tho. I think

[frigid iron]

You'll be spamming it at start of battle so it wont affect much but you can go for it instead of tm mpr if you want

Anyway i gtg to bed

I explained how the team works above, that should work

[boreal rose]

Which parameter

Pls tell me that at least

I mean the ones that change each week

[mellow linden]

Probably physical moves up

[boreal rose]

Oh

My luck sucks. Okce j got Lillie mpr but didn't get misty mpr now i got the other waya round

[molten nimbus]

oof yall gl

[boreal rose]

The team is slow ngl

Cynrhia used 2 moves when i was doing nothing

Waiting

The team is too slow

[river pagoda]

Of teams 2-6 here, who would benefit the most from grid tiles? Have a limited amt and deciding who to grid first for next week's CS. I've already gridded Hilda, Sycamore and Cyrus

[toxic cobalt]

Hop

Grid his tm mpr

Skyla, grid one mpr each

Solid minimal grids

Hop and Skyla on the same team seems pretty OP. I'd put Skyla where Dawn is.

[boreal rose]

Is hould have synced on Cynthia

[river pagoda]

Got it, thx for the advice

I'll swap the two and grid em botu

Both*

[sand karma]

Getting thrashed in CS1.9kMM. My striker units die at the first enemy sync without even being halfway through. Only managed one off type 2k with Ash.

I tried SSBlue-Maxie-Courtney; SSBlue-SSHilbert-Ghetsis; Skyla-Rosa-BluePidgeot and it was tragic to say the least.

https://imgur.com/a/jsTu7rO

If my roster is weak, what number shall I tone it down to?

[boreal rose]

I am 100% not doing 10k next wee

[toxic cobalt]

I’d just ditch Dawn for hard mode. Not adding more. Put in minimally gridded Acerola or something.

[toxic cobalt]

Your roster looks stonkingly powerful. Have you read the pins or watched some sample clears?

[full mesa]

Next week is easier. Fire -> Silver, Psychic -> Giovanni, Dragon -> Palkia and ZinniaMRay. You only need to do Steel and Ghost.

[boreal rose]

I only need them?

I have nothing

I have a special one tho

Like. A special attacker

[lunar meadow]

It sounds like you are trying to pre-sync with post-sync teams then.

Remove all the offense parameters, add str

[sand karma]

I just watched your own video

There's so much rng with the attacks and skylas refreshes. Nidoq never used hhp in your video😭

My Candice doesn't seem to be able to one shot krook like you

[mellow linden]

What parameters are you using?

[toxic cobalt]

Rng with the Skyla refreshes? You just need one for the final defence/speed, and you might not even need it.

[swift swan]

Hop and Solgaleo are enough for Steel

Ghost is the problem, but nothing you can't offtype with a good physical attacker

[void wyvern]

My favourite free ghost physical attacker is Acerola

[quiet stratus]

I've been contemplating pulling for N, but I've been saving all year for Alola VA, as well as any seaonal/fair Alola pairs that may debut before then

I've already spent ~90k gems this year for other regions, but I've said before I predict about 5 pairs will run when Alola VA comes

Sorry, wrong channel

[keen jasper]

Has anyone tried to DPS with Selene during Wise Entry x2 ghost-weak Lucian?

[old orchid]

totally work

even without zone

[swift swan]

what's the team comp?

[keen jasper]

Lyra, Selene and BP Morty

[old orchid]

with terrain her sync is good offtype

the team can do post sync strat too

[zealous karma]

Isn’t spirit shackle physical?

[keen jasper]

It is

[white gale]

I just noticed that earlier today! Selene is a physical ghost attacker.

but Lyra? before Sync there's no sun

[void wyvern]

This gives me an idea for next week

[keen silo]

What the damn

I assume sync pairs like player solgaleo and N can bypass these abilities as well right

[swift swan]

no

x2 entry means the base stat is doubled. it's not a passive that can be ignored by Piercing Blows and the like

[keen jasper]

x2 defensive entry means a literal 50% damage mitigation for that damage type

[swift swan]

so if you hit ontype, it's basically like offtype damage

for the specific damage type, that is

[keen jasper]

My teams for next week

[void wyvern]

Striker steelix?!?

[keen jasper]

Fuck no man

[void wyvern]

Damn. Striker steelix has been my go to for steel weak forever. Works so well too

[white gale]

why Lyra and BP Morty with Selene?

[keen jasper]

Because why not

[toxic cobalt]

Striker Steelix pog

[white gale]

just seems like other supports can help Selene more

[swift swan]

BLUECANINE USER

very based

[winter glen]

In mainline yes, in Pokemon Masters stat changes have different multipliers. +2 spdef from wise entry is base x 1.4

[keen jasper]

Hey, I used him before against fire-weak Glacia

[winter glen]

Entry skills buff the stats on entry, they are not damage mitigation passives and thus piercing blows and its derivatives do not apply. Crits however do.

[keen silo]

Oof

[swift swan]

shouldn't it still be base x 2 though? according to pomatools at least

[winter glen]

increases by 2 ranks

that is +2 spdef

[void wyvern]

That’s entry 2

Entry x2 is double

[swift swan]

compare

[void wyvern]

I was curious how they’d differ. So one is just a double the amount well the other is treated as stat ranks.

[swift swan]

Entry 2 is just positive stat buffs that can be ignored by crit. Entry x2 is doubled stat that can't be ignored by crits (Nor piercing blows and the like). that's how I understand it

[void wyvern]

Because stat buffs can be ignored and entry x2 just boosts the raw amount. (I think that’s how it works)

[swift swan]

really this is all because of the stupid naming convention lol

instead of making something like Entry x2 why don't you just double their stat from the get-go, huh dena

[keen jasper]

Remember when extry x2 was actually a stat boost?

[void wyvern]

Was it?

What battle was it in?

[keen jasper]

Don't remember, or maybe that was me

[void wyvern]

I’m positive sinnoh cs was it’s first appearance. You might be thinking of Tough skin.

[keen jasper]

Tough Skin???? Who said anything about that?

[winter glen]

let me double check

[void wyvern]

I’m saying that tough skin can feel similar and we may have mixed it up. But seems not, my bad.

[winter glen]

right, turns out that's correct entry x2 straight up just doubles the base stat my mistake

and since it's not a mitigation passive, piercing blows still does not work

bad naming convention

[void wyvern]

The world will become a beautiful place when DeNa gets naming right.

[dark osprey]

I think they were talking about wise entry 2

Like the grid skill that SSBlue has

So +2 sp. defense on entry

[toxic cobalt]

I hope these things are better labelled in Japanese

[swift swan]

the best way would be removing x2 entry and just doubling the stats from the get-go

for example, flying-weak koga basically has the equivalent of Wise Entry x2

Sinnoh thought they did something by adding weird x2 entries and making people confused

[toxic cobalt]

But that's even less clear to the casual player

[swift swan]

imo something like Wise Entry x2 gets overlooked easier than a clear stat increase in pomatools

[void wyvern]

I think it just needs a different name then entry x2 It sounds too similar to the normal entry skills

[swift swan]

hopefully they'll do this someday

[dark osprey]

Tbh for the casual player the flying weak kogamoth seems better

They do mention it in the tips section of the stage to use physical attacks

[swift swan]

barely anyone reads the CS tips

barely anyone reads

[toxic cobalt]

I didn't know Kogamoth was a special tank, and I'm barely casual

[dark osprey]

Lol. True. No one reads the tips

Imagine researching a passive name then

[swift swan]

because it's rarely talked about? Johto barely has anyone else with doubled stat like this

meanwhile Sinnoh and Hoenn came with a shit ton of them

[void wyvern]

why do we do so much writing then?

[swift swan]

to help the minority who do read

[dark osprey]

For the cultured

[void wyvern]

True!

I always read the tips. I’m usually curious who the game recommends.

I want to see someone follow the tips team comp and strategy to see if it go well compared to another idea.

[dark osprey]

Yeah. Recommended team clears were a thing until we got to Sinnoh

Ingo was on 3 of them in the same week and all

[void wyvern]

now do it with sinnoh

[dark osprey]

Also nidoking

[void wyvern]

Nothing says balance like using SS Giovanni to solve your problems

[trail smelt]

I remember Kogamoth causing problems early on haha

[toxic cobalt]

Also fascinating when Bruno is randomly weak to paralysis

[toxic cobalt]

I've used Blue and I'm all out of options

[trail smelt]

I remember leaning really hard on NY Lance haha

[dark osprey]

Yeah. And spams close combats when paralysed somehow

[dark osprey]

Now we've got Kahili and Zinnia I guess

[swift swan]

I want to follow the recommended teams... if I had the units

[pine spruce]

finally, after redoing it 4 times...

that evasion up+accuracy down was horrifying

[onyx ice]

I guess that the point was that we can't see the stats by regular means, but we can see wise entry x2

[swift swan]

Fair enough

[toxic cobalt]

Too true

[swift swan]

Good thing Mina has Impervious

...the evasion up still screws me over tho

[full mesa]

Ι did a poison stall of her. The secret is to focus on the sides. Then she won't drop your acc.

[trail smelt]

Evasion hax is BS haha

[void wyvern]

Funny enough. On -2 cooldown accel. She doesn’t use x evasion all until post sync.

[swift swan]

Because that's what she's programmed to. X evasion all is a postsync move

[void wyvern]

Really? I thought she did it before.

You learn something new everyday.

[swift swan]

1 use, directly after sync

[trail smelt]

What she does is lower your accuracy early on

[void wyvern]

That explains it

[full mesa]

Yeah but only mid. If you miss against sides, you don't lose acc

[swift swan]

You don't lose accuracy if you miss a move against Cynthia. She just gains +1 sp attack every time you miss (Outsmart 9). All she does to your team's accuracy is -1 on entry

[void wyvern]

I’d really like a good support with team outsmart or team outmuscle

[keen jasper]

With Piercing Gaze Mud Shot, Ripple Effect 9 and Double Drop?

[void wyvern]

Yes please actually. Hide and sync/dizzying power is such a pain to work sometimes.

Also mud slap*

[austere quest]

Too true

[cinder coyote]

F2P guide for post sync sinnoh?

I’m thinking of doing Bertha first because I have EX ghetsis

[full mesa]

Check Eevee's f2p guide videos on their yt.

[frosty axle]

I do one every week if you want tips #1039196490935062538 message

[grand trout]

Who'll get x2 entries next week?

[void wyvern]

Just Lucian

[grand trout]

Sentry or wise?

[void wyvern]

Wise

[grand trout]

Oh boy, good thing i have ss korrina

[void wyvern]

One of 3

[grand trout]

The others being?

[void wyvern]

Renegade Cynthia, Fall Morty.

wait nope I’m mega forgetful

[grand trout]

if all else fails one can use ghost!gladion

[void wyvern]

In terms of limited/seasonal Ren Cynthia, ss Korrina, Fall Morty, Fall Acerola.

In terms of general pool. Morty and Acerola

[grand trout]

Hmmm

Morty has phantom force tho which is a 2 turn move 😬

And is his sync physical? He's a mixed striker when it comes to move

[grand trout]

Phoebe too lol

[void wyvern]

His sync is physical.

[formal vigil]

Phantom force is physical too

Only shadow ball is special

[void wyvern]

Phoebe isn’t exactly a stable striker

[formal vigil]

Spirit shackle selene too for physical ghost

[void wyvern]

True!

[zealous karma]

Gio dtill@clears the stage lel

[frigid iron]

Lucian has wise entry x2 and the sides on bertha have wise entry x3

[zealous karma]

Comedy

[frigid iron]

Raihan slander

[swift swan]

it's okay, Raihan gets his revenge for steel-weak Hoenn

[frigid iron]

Ss gio who slaps both ways

[toxic cobalt]

Some of us are patiently waiting for the SS Morty SS Gio double banner

[tired sleet]

Anni Lillie + N banner when

[swift swan]

me

I regret skipping ss morty for ss gio SO much

SS Gio is great... but smorty.....

[zealous karma]

I’m waiting for the diantha and CIris banner rerun

[toxic cobalt]

Hasn’t this rerun multiple times,

[zealous karma]

Twice!

Once in my time of playing

[void wyvern]

Do you want C!Iris or Diantha?

[zealous karma]

I want both but diantha is a fav so I want her a lot more

[full mesa]

Just an idea but don't sleep on Sync Nuke Phoebe. Pair her with a powerful support and someone to buff her att early and just watch.

[zealous karma]

I’d only do thay if it’s Phoebe Ex