Champion Stadium

[mellow linden]

Rosa’s EX is free, btw

[wicked otter]

Ahyea righti havent fully upgraded rosa

[mellow linden]

Can try Alder since you’ve got teams for the E4

[wicked otter]

Thats sync buff for free

[mellow linden]

Oh, sorry, that was directed at the person asking about EX

[wicked otter]

Ah okay lol wrong response

[wicked otter]

Hmm can they beat alder?

Which buff should i bring? Permanent zone or weak against sp def?

[mellow linden]

Probably permanent field effect

So that A. May can focus more on the rest of her kit

[wicked otter]

So gio, a may and sabrina? My sabrina still 2/5

Can rosa replace sabrina with the sync move?

Haha i was planning to use red there but i just dont know another team that i can use to beat the e4

[mellow linden]

She could

Might be a close match without healing, so be aware

[deep lake]

Can anyone help me build a team for Alder? Im still on hard mode but i should unlock master after this

[wicked otter]

Is there any team that would be good to be switched out with gio a may team on e4?

[mellow linden]

Could probably switch one of the Ash or SST Red teams, but try Psychic Beatdown and see what happens

[wicked otter]

Either the red or ash team because they are the only offtype

[mellow linden]

Oh, and make sure Giovanni is at least level 120

[wicked otter]

Ill try leveling him up to 125, should be possible

Keep using psychich right?

Haha i shouldunlock some grid for mewtwo i guess

[mellow linden]

Yeah, Psychic all the way

That’s why we have Psychic Terrain up

Probably should use A. May to Sync from the 2nd Sync onwards since Giovanni isn’t EX

[wicked otter]

So first gio then keep using a may sync?

Lol im still lvl 29 so no 6* rose rip

I guess ill go with sabrina

[mellow linden]

If no Rosa EX then either Sync with Sabrina 1st or just only Sync with A. May

[plucky pewter]

Wait was Rosa ex free? Did she have the ex materials given out as well? 😅

[mellow linden]

Go to the Bingo boards

At most you might need Champion Spirits

[plucky pewter]

Yeah I've completed the bingo boards and got the 20 custom power ups.
Just thought I might be missed something with her having special champion spirits

[mellow linden]

Nope, she uses the regular ones, but Champion Spirits are way easier to get a hold of than powerups

So she’s basically a free EX

[plucky pewter]

Alright good to know

I'm at 35/50 champion spirits atm so I might just do her next

[wicked otter]

Ah rip i can only almost defeat it with 1k

So 9k i guess

Too strong at 2k

[mellow linden]

No shame in that

You got almost all the rewards anyways and what’s left is minimal

[wicked otter]

And the enemy is using atk so alakazam died too fast

Because low def but high sp def

[mellow linden]

Didn’t use Reflect?

[wicked otter]

Ah i didnt haha

Shouldve used that first

[mellow linden]

Well now you know for next time, right?

[wicked otter]

Will next time have the same type?

Haha i still cant beat the 1k

Just barely

Lol i beat it with ss serena easily

But 1k

So i get 9k total

[tired sleet]

Next week it change type

Check pins

[obtuse hound]

someone said i should..i didn't get it either, but oh well

[wicked otter]

Rip, might be harder next time

Btw 9k is enough right, only 5 spirit and 10 bp seems not worth the effort

[tired sleet]

I tried the post sync one

@mellow linden thx mate

[wicked otter]

Damn deoxys and morty 140, that's sick

[misty elm]

Any advice for Caitlin this week? I'm struggling while using the half sync parameter.

[dark osprey]

Probably bulk up your special defenses and post sync just use sleep tactics maybe

There's always poison stall as well

Can also use sst Red to change the terrain if needed and go offtype electric with him

[sick inlet]

All good?

[minor solstice]

ty will do

[minor solstice]

yeah i got help

ty tho

[wraith cove]

Depends on the pairs I use but usually like Strength 8 and some Atk parameters

I am picking stuff until it works sometimes I don‘t pay attention

[grizzled hearth]

It's usually full strength with some modifications with these kinds of runs

Honestly, unless you're going for something really overpowered or sleep or flinch stalling, pre sync is almost always a no go

[wicked otter]

I find pre sync is rather hard, i can only do that with leafeon full grass team but all at lvl 125

I guess pre sync maybe work better at 140

[swift swan]

After discovering the serotonin boost presync gives me, I never want to go back to postsync. I even presynced on half sync countdown parameter once

[plush tangle]

Understandable

[sick inlet]

I mean, even better if you presync a post sync parameter

[plush tangle]

Even better if you presync with full points

[swift swan]

I once saw that you can flinchlock an entire Alder stage with full points

So technically that's... Presync since the opponent never got to sync

[full mesa]

That counts.

[wicked otter]

Need help, who to use for fighting alder? Tried using this team but the boss still left with 50%hp rip

[swift swan]

Huh, zerena should be fine there. Hilbert is unnecessary though. Either bring another damage dealer or a potion unit

[boreal rose]

I need help with 2k CS

[swift swan]

Can you send your box?

[boreal rose]

I think i forgot a screenshot

[wicked otter]

zerena hit so little like only 1k per monster and i use hilbert to buff xerneas because it hits quite a lot

[swift swan]

Did you crit?

[wicked otter]

hmm i still dont understand how to use zerena, she doesnt hist as hard as ash and red

[swift swan]

Zerena shouldn't do that little

[boreal rose]

I'l resend it. I sent the wrong pictures

[wicked otter]

i use dire hit 2 times so it must be crit

[wicked otter]

yea that's what im thinking too

[swift swan]

Click her TM, dire hit twice, thousand waves, then spam core enforcer

[wicked otter]

mine is still 1/5

[swift swan]

She gets restrain multiplier on passive iirc

[wicked otter]

i spam thousand waves because the enemy is weak to atk not sp atk

[swift swan]

1/5 zerena destroys stages

[wicked otter]

okay ill try again, zerena died pretty fast on that stage

btw which buff should i pick for the boss?

[swift swan]

There's no difference. Alder has struggle bug, but postsync Zerena has impervious so her sp atk won't be debuffed

[swift swan]

Permanent field effects

Sycamore TM first turn to get permanent Move gauge acceleration

[keen jasper]

And someone with sandstorm

Since most rock-type damage dealers rely on it for multipliers

[swift swan]

1/5 zerena doesn't benefit from sandstorm at all I think

Also zerena wants first sync. Sycamore can have the rest

Grid him with recuperation for extra heals

[boreal rose]

I already beat Caitlin so i need help with the rest

[wicked otter]

Ah okay ill try, sycamore heal so far is decent due to buff from hilbert

[keen jasper]

Master or hard mode?

[boreal rose]

Master

Hard too ig

But im trying a 10k MM now

[keen jasper]

Well, you have Blue for Marshal, Silver or SS Erika for Grimsley and obviously Ghetsis for Shauntal

You just need to figure out your supports

[boreal rose]

Ghetsis?

Why him?

Everytime i use him he dies

[keen jasper]

Because Shauntal is ice-weak?

[keen jasper]

Are you buffing your defensive stats?

Or if you want, you can try Candice, BP or OG

[swift swan]

R2, vs Ice-weak: ghetsis/sycamore/a crit buffer and potion unit, like Hop. Use the postsync params. Sycamore syncs first
R3, vs grass-weak: Silver/SS Morty/SS Erika.
R4, vs Flying-weak: SS Ethan/SS Elesa/extra potion unit if you really need
VS Rock-weak: Olivia/Acerola/Falkner should do it, but if it's too hard, just offtype it with something like Anni May/Giovanni/tank

With the ice team, Ghetsis uses Noble roar 3 times before he starts spamming Glaciate. Sync with sycamore to buff his sp attack and speed, make sure he's at max crit. Half sync is a bit tricky but shauntal is really safe to do there

I postsynced Shauntal with Ghetsis, no problem

[wicked otter]

Lil my zserena cant survive even the first sync ult rip

Use cire enforcer the damage is around 1,3k

[swift swan]

Try the presync params?

[keen jasper]

Did you restrain them?

[wicked otter]

yes

[swift swan]

Let me rephrase that. Use the presync params so your enemy doesn't have a lot of bulk and kill mid before they can sync

[wicked otter]

i do the ground 1st

then use core

[keen jasper]

Max crit?

[wicked otter]

2 dire hit+

[swift swan]

She won't be able to survive first sync if your params use a lot of attack up

[wicked otter]

yeah her def is sucks

i guess i should change itu into pre sync

[swift swan]

That's just the issue with most strikers

[keen jasper]

Did you use both of her Dire Hit+?

[swift swan]

They're not meant to take long damage

[wicked otter]

yea i did

though with sst red i did the post sync

[boreal rose]

What parameters to use

Cuz Noble Roar does nothing

[swift swan]

Hold on

[keen jasper]

Did you have the No Stat Reduction parameter active?

[boreal rose]

I was told to use the post sync parameters

Also i genuingly never use Ghetsis

[swift swan]

That should cover all of it

Ghetsis is the only ice damage dealer that I ever use

[keen jasper]

Also, Ghetsis has multipliers when you lower the enemies' speed

So yeah... No using that parameter around him

[swift swan]

I need to do some stuffs, ping me if you need help. Will be back in 2 hours or so

[boreal rose]

Ok i beat Shauntal

I put the HP thing

Instead of No Stat reduction

But damn. Until Ghetsis Sync Ghetsis didnt do a lot

[keen jasper]

Made a big difference in Ghetsis's damage right?

[keen jasper]

Did it crit?

[boreal rose]

Did ehat crit

[swift swan]

my bad, HP6 shouldn't be there, misclicked

[wicked otter]

lol i beat the stage but zserena still died

sycamore do the finishing

[keen jasper]

It's like that sometimes

[swift swan]

Maybe it's your grid? His devastation and pecking order tiles do big numbers

[wicked otter]

after using criti strike 2, still only around 1,6 - 1,8k per crit

[swift swan]

Presync params?

[wicked otter]

yea i use presync params

i opened most of the grid fro Zserena too

the 2nd ult is pretty high in damage, around 4,4k

that helps a lot

but core enforcer only around 1,8k

[tribal agate]

I need to add a disclaimer don't mind me

[wicked otter]

anyways thanks guys for the help, i reached 10k this week

[tribal agate]

Key rewards in Master Mode stop at 4200 points, so do not feel pressured to go beyond. All parameters can be found below, including the 850 ones for main rewards! Do not tackle Master Mode at the highest difficulty without prior experience, nobody will shame you for it! (Should they do, contact the mods).

[sick inlet]

I must shame them for not pushing themselves to the limits and going plus ultra! /j

[wicked otter]

haha yea actually i reached 9k and that's enough, i think i should just take it slow

my sync mostly still around 125 and 130, i guess i was too hasty to challange master CS

[tribal agate]

gratz!

that's a big achievement

[wicked otter]

Thanks, after getting 10k, i feel like something lifted from my shoulder haha

[boreal rose]

Can i use Skyla?

For R4

[plush tangle]

With lvl 125/130 pairs you should be able to do 10k, level isn't that big of a deal

What matters is the pairs you use

[swift swan]

Sure. Good defense buffs and activates flying theme skill

[wicked otter]

Ah i see, i thought if i levels up them to lvl 140 they would be much stronger, i guess ill just do event content then

[swift swan]

I used to not be able to do 10k even with a lot of level 140s and even some EXs. I realized it was my params

[plush tangle]

For example even if level 200 was possible you would not achieve anything with Surge & Electrode

[swift swan]

I tweaked it, following the guide in the pins, and suddenly everything became very easy

[boreal rose]

I hate marshal

[plush tangle]

(well lvl 200 maybe)

[sick inlet]

My boy Surge got done dirty

[boreal rose]

(ik you cant see Lugia but erm. Its dead

[wicked otter]

Yea thank god i read the pins, that helps a lot

[swift swan]

It's okay, BP Surge is still great

[swift swan]

You got very close though

[boreal rose]

Yeah

[sick inlet]

Very close means you can win for sure

[boreal rose]

Maybe if i used Potion → Skyla and Elesa TM i would win

[swift swan]

Uh, is that regular elesa? I meant SS Elesa in my message

[plush tangle]

Not even useful against Latios since he gets OHKO by earthquake lol

[boreal rose]

Oh

I must have read wrong

Oops

[swift swan]

Without a crit buffer like SS Elesa, Ethan would have to click his TM every other turn to get sure crit. While it gives him SMUN stacks, it kinda slows down your DPS output imo

[boreal rose]

I click Ethans TM every turn

And idk how to use EleSSa

[swift swan]

If you have enough gauge, you don't have too. SS Elesa provides all the buffs Ethan needs

Hmmm you might need breathtaking MPR to max Ethan's crit

What move level is ss elesa again?

[sick inlet]

You can give +2 crit after Sync

[swift swan]

Good enough for aeroblast bcs of that innate crit chance

But not enough for ethan's sync unless he uses TM right before it

[sick inlet]

First sync can be fully Buffing ethan

Then crit him

One turn before sync just TM for insurance

[swift swan]

Fair enough. So @boreal rose save SS Elesa's TM after Ethan's first sync, then use it on him right after

First sync cycle, she just needs to use sp atk all then thunder shock or whatever

[boreal rose]

Elesa dealt the final blow

[swift swan]

Whoooo regular elesa works after all

[boreal rose]

Now it will be the hardest part i thino

Which ,,stage parameter" shouldni use on Alder?

I mean this

[tribal agate]

it depends on your team

they're all useful other than the second

if you're gonna use field/zone/weather, then first
if you're gonna use a special dmg dealer, then third
fourth for general usage

[boreal rose]

The team is supposed to be Falkner/Acerola/Olivia if im right

[tribal agate]

you can go with first to have infinite sand and just spam astonish aggravation

[keen jasper]

Definitely first one

[boreal rose]

Im gonna try the off type team

[tired sleet]

I use the 2nd one ngl

[boreal rose]

Nevermind i cant use both

I dont think i have a tank

[boreal rose]

@swift swan (sorry for ping) what parameters should i use?

[keen jasper]

Against who?

Alder?

[tribal agate]

If you mean MM parameters Applin, the parameters are pinned in this channel

for every possible outcome

you can adapt them to your liking, but otherwise they're the most accessible ones

i think we told you that previously, so be careful please when pinging people

[boreal rose]

Yes

[boreal rose]

Yeah but i genuingly do not know whats usefull ,,for the team"

[tribal agate]

if you're aiming for 2k, the pre-sync on the bottom left one is good
it's good for 80% team comps
you adapt the no stat reduction depending if you need it

[swift swan]

Presync should do fine imo

[boreal rose]

Dont change it?

Cuz i tried it with both teams and i die pretty much instantly

[swift swan]

What happened? Did the enemy get to sync?

[tribal agate]

who is tanking?

[swift swan]

Or did you kill mid then got ambushed by sides

[boreal rose]

Alder Syncs

And Acerola or Falkner dies after like 2 hits

[tribal agate]

they're both frail

[swift swan]

Did you manage to get 2 syncs before Alder got to sync?

[tribal agate]

likely not, they probably used Fly and ruined it, which is the issue with Falkner

[boreal rose]

I domt think so

Hyper beam does 99% of the health of Falkner's

[swift swan]

Ah true true

[tribal agate]

You should replace Falkner imo with a good spdef tank should you have them

[boreal rose]

A what

[tribal agate]

a with high spdef or that can buff spdef since Alder is fully special

the issue is, if you're using Olivia, she also needs speed maxing for Inertia (not fully since she can slightly ramp it up)

[boreal rose]

Also i use Fly cuz Fly doesnt get hit by Hyper Beam

[tribal agate]

yes but Fly ruins sync cd

[swift swan]

Yeah, while Fly is good to dodge, it messes up your sync countdown

[boreal rose]

Why?

[tribal agate]

because Fly is a 2-turn move and only reduces sync cd by 1 on usage, not when it actually does the move

[swift swan]

It's a 2-turn move but your sync countdown is only reduced by 1

[keen jasper]

Fly doesn't count as 2 actions

[swift swan]

How about that Anni May/Giovanni offtype team

[boreal rose]

Ik.

[boreal rose]

Also doesnt work

I mewn

[swift swan]

Dojo gloria and ss may are also available, just need the right support

[boreal rose]

I cant exactly think of a tank

I used Lillie

But she dies after like 4-5 hits

[keen jasper]

Do you have someone to buff defensive stats for her?

[boreal rose]

For who?

Lillie?

Idk

[keen jasper]

For Lillie a while ago

[tribal agate]

Also Applin i think we advised you that the previous weeks but it can be a good idea to also consider reducing points

[boreal rose]

But im at 8k

And i want to 10k at least once

[tribal agate]

as a last resort, but ofc

it would help if you could screenshot some of your remaining roster also

[swift swan]

Can you try levelling up swimsuit misty a bit and using her?

Anni May/Giovanni/Swimmisty

[boreal rose]

I can lvl her up to lvl 120 i think

Yep. Lvl 120

[swift swan]

Grid her with potion MPR at least

Use Anni May's sp atk all twice and giovanni's TM twice

[boreal rose]

I didnt have to grid her

[wicked otter]

Yea master is hard, i almost always use tanky support to survive

[tribal agate]

ayyy gratz!

wait

Gloria and SS May now?

[boreal rose]

Well they said something abt SSMay and DojoGloria so i thought "how about i try to use them with Psyduck Misty"

[tribal agate]

yeah that's a killer combo

[boreal rose]

This

I only synced with May tho

[wicked otter]

It is what it is, just make do

Dojo glo and ss may look sick

[swift swan]

Well congrats!!

[boreal rose]

Thanks

Thank you for the help btw

[swift swan]

[sick inlet]

[full mesa]

Don't worry Jo. I'm always thankful to you. Also, do you change your specialist every now and then?

[prime warren]

Who is recommended flinch support for pidgeot if I don't have SSlyra? 👀

[lunar meadow]

I wouldn't rely on a harry build for Pidgeot

But Mortmagius is good for flinch

Palossand and Togekiss as well

Swanna provides speed, which Pidgeot likes, and a small flinch chance

[prime warren]

Hmmmm but pidgeot dmg feels bit noodle for offtype stuff without it else wouldn't rly be asking

I'll try Morty then

[lunar meadow]

Oh, I would never consider Pidgeot as an off type unit 😅

[prime warren]

I am trying to see how low a dps can go for offtype stuff presync

[lunar meadow]

My usual offtype unit for that is Metagross

He's bulky and his main attack has high flinch

[prime warren]

[tired sleet]

[neat ice]

Do crits pierce defense?

[swift swan]

Specialist roles rotate every week

[sick inlet]

I don't, I am not fully aware who or when it is changed, but it is absolutely beyond my control

That ^

[swift swan]

yes, crits ignore defense and sp defense buffs

[sick inlet]

Crits act like the core game, where they pierce through everything possible except Crit shields.

[keen jasper]

Except crit prot field

[trail smelt]

Oh and base stats

If their base stats is crazy high crits won’t help

[keen jasper]

Yeah, so putting defensive parameters can really mitigate that damage

[lunar meadow]

Crits ignore reflect/light screen, and they ignore stat boosts.

Not stat drops or base stats.

[mellow linden]

Unless they work differently than the main games, they would ignore Attack/Sp. Atk. debuffs on the one dealing the crit, but not Defense/Sp. Def. debuffs on the one getting crit

[sick inlet]

this is also correct

[swift swan]

so even if your attack/sp attack is debuffed, it won't matter if you crit, right?

but how about halved attack stat from burn status I think they're not ignored in the main games

[full mesa]

They don't ignore the half att from burn.

[swift swan]

[wary plume]

is grimsley a physical or special attacker

[toxic cobalt]

Phyiscal, liquidation and waterfall

[sick inlet]

How about a bit of both he hits physically this week

[keen jasper]

But he also has Snarl

[sick inlet]

Snarl is a weak AOE though so you should tank it even if spa up round

[full mesa]

Crit snarl can hurt you. I had a few issues on my stall team when he landed 3 crit snarls in a row after his 2nd sync.

[sick inlet]

rngesus got you in his scope

[keen jasper]

Yeah me too, my SS Erika got crit twice

Though because I was doing max HP parameters

[toxic cobalt]

That's on you for letting them get not just one sync but two though

2x base damage will always hurt

[full mesa]

I was stalling.

[toxic cobalt]

Ouch, and no vigilance?

[full mesa]

Not on Ariados.

[keen jasper]

SS Erika's damage isn't enough even with perfect queueing

[full mesa]

Need to actually give her.

[toxic cobalt]

Don't buy a lottery ticket

[full mesa]

Don't worry. I don't have money to spend on luck.

[keen jasper]

I need to farm lucky skills on some of my units

[sick inlet]

Luck called, wants his lady back

[keen jasper]

I need to prepare Karen for when there's Sentry Entry dark-weak stage

[full mesa]

You're doing something wrong then. I've seen SSErika hit for 37k on 2nd sync.

[keen jasper]

Mine isn't EX-ed and she's only 2/5

And I had SS Morty too

[full mesa]

Then yes.

[keen jasper]

With Sonia

[full mesa]

You need 3/5 and ex for those numbers.

[keen jasper]

Yeah IK

I can't wait for the LG next week

Even though it'll be a pain to grind those lucky cookies

[boreal rose]

LG is next week?

[humble shard]

Mine hit 40k yesterday

[elder talon]

So these are the teams I'm gonna try getting 7.5k with. Ignore brock at lv 101 i need some books. I doubt I'll be able to get 10k because I'd need more ex and higher levels imo, but do the teams seem good? I also posted my pairs in case someone wants to change stuff

The order of the teams is also the order I was planning on fighting the e4, but lmk if there's a better order to do them in please

[toxic cobalt]

You don't need a single ex or higher levels to do CSMM

That's a pernicious myth

I am a bit confused by your teams, I can't figure out what they're trying to push.

[lunar meadow]

They help, though.

And a few units do feel like they need it. Like sync-loaded strikers with bad bulk (see Olivia and lycanroc)

[toxic cobalt]

In the Grimsley fights, why is Silver there? In teh Caitlin fight, what is Hau for? In the Champion fight, why SS Brock?

[elder talon]

Silver is there because I wanna try him instead of sserika. When I used her when doing 850 points she was kinda letting me down, probably due to being 1/5 no grid. In the caitlin fight Hau is there because I didn't really know who else to use. I was considering roxanne for spa buff but idk. Ss brock is there because with the gauge refill modifier I figured I'd be able to dish out a ton of damage between him and olivia

[toxic cobalt]

Letting you down at 850? Brendan can clear 2k easily on his own, let alone with a second striekr.

To help Giovanni, why not a more dedicated spatk buffer?

You can reliably triple queue with Olivia and SS Brock?

[tacit matrix]

SS Brock doesn't even have max crit in that team, the only way to crit for him would be to alternate his TM with Rockslide which is still not that worth...

You will have more success to buff your Olivia more with a secondary buffer than trying to double dps when you don't really have the resources to do it

For example, Acerola in that team instead of Brock will help more with Sand multiplied for Lycanrock Sync, flag bearer to max atk and flinching which basically makes you able to do your second Sync before the enemy First Sync (Otherwise Team Swift Reaction from Sonia makes quadqueue not that Easy)

[hidden ore]

What CS week is the best to get 10k master mode?

Would love to get 10k but i don’t have such experience to get to that

[toxic cobalt]

No specific week is best

What sort of points do you hit at the moment?

[hidden ore]

2500-2400 is my best record, idk what result it was, but I never got to 3k

[simple storm]

And adding, ss brock is just, bad

[hidden ore]

Don’t have an idea where to start with records

[simple storm]

Regular brock is so much better

[toxic cobalt]

Have you tried the 850 point parameter in the pins?

[hidden ore]

I didn’t
Cause I didnt think about stadium that much

Will check tho

[elder talon]

Then I must be doing something wrong because I definitely couldn't do that. Then again I do not have dauntless on him

[tacit matrix]

Also I would use AuraCynthia, Roxanne and Giovanni for Caitlin

[toxic cobalt]

Well don't use him if you don't have Dauntless

[elder talon]

So how about
Grimsley - SSMorty, Silver, SSErika
Shauntal: Ghetsis, Sycamore, Mistyduck (I think I only really need Ghetsis and Sycamore anyway)
Caitlin: SSACynthia, Roxanne, Giovanni
Marshal: SSBlue, SSTRed, Ash
Alder: Sonia, Acerola, Olivia

[tacit matrix]

I would use a crit buffer instead of Misty as well for Shantal otherwise Ghetis might take to long to debuff and buff himself

[hidden ore]

@toxic cobalt I’ve read the parameters and how do you choose sync pairs with these in mind?

[tacit matrix]

When I was using the Ghetis + Sycamore combo I usually paired them with Surgechu

But you could use Pheobe if you don't have him

[toxic cobalt]

Generally you pick the teams and get the parameters to match. The 850 parameters are simply so basic they'll fit almost any team.

[elder talon]

I believe I have him

[toxic cobalt]

Usual teambuilding process. Pick a striker and support the striker.

[elder talon]

He's the BP one right?

[tacit matrix]

Yeah but I see that he is low level while Pheobe is already lv 120

At that point you can use her Just fine

[hidden ore]

If I go with my Ghost team (Renegade, Alister, PoltLillie) for Caitlin, what parameters should I am for?

[toxic cobalt]

Full presync

Although this is my general advice for most teams

[elder talon]

I'll try with Phoebe then

[hidden ore]

You mean 2k presync?

[elder talon]

Do you think it's worth using my one 5* striker candy to get Olivia from 2/5 to 3/5?

[toxic cobalt]

I would yes.

[toxic cobalt]

No

[elder talon]

Alright I'll grid her as much as 2/5 allows then

[simple storm]

Only use those candies for limited units that need it

Like a masterfair o pokefair

[tacit matrix]

Get Inertia and the Sand multiplies, those are her most important nodes

[elder talon]

Okay so these teams are great for the e4, but I'm having some trouble with Alder. I've tried him a couple of times and Olivia always dies on first sync. And I have trouble quad queueing because of Sonia's speed up ability

[frosty axle]

you should be getting two syncs in before theirs even without it since you using flinch Acerola

[elder talon]

I thought flinch didn't work because of the no status condition?

[toxic cobalt]

Most teams die on sync, the general goal is to never let the opponent sync

Flinch isn't a status condition

[elder talon]

Oooh alright, didn't know

[toxic cobalt]

WHat were you doing with Acerola?

[elder talon]

I used her TMs

[frosty axle]

Should be only flinching and doing Sandstorm

[toxic cobalt]

There are only 3...

Were you not triple queing?

[elder talon]

Yeah then I started using astonish but didn't get a flinch

[toxic cobalt]

Can use infinite parameter for sandstorm

[toxic cobalt]

Is she gridded?

[elder talon]

No she's only 1/5

[toxic cobalt]

So?

Grid her flinch

it's like 2 tiles

[elder talon]

I usually don't check grids for units I only have 1/5, but yeah I'll grab the flinch tile

[frosty axle]

Everything good is 1/5 luckily

[toxic cobalt]

All 2 things

[mellow linden]

Aggravation and Sandstorm MP Refresh, yeah

[elder talon]

Yeah I grabbed the flinch chance and the healing during sand

[frosty axle]

also flag bearer

[elder talon]

Didn't grab the Sandstorm MP refresh since I'm using the permanent sand thing

[mellow linden]

Good to grab for the future if you have the orbs

[elder talon]

I really, really don't lol

[mellow linden]

Understandable

[toxic cobalt]

This should solve your quadqueue problem

[elder talon]

I'm not that new but still kinda new, sync orbs and exp books are always low

Yeah I'll give it another try now

[obtuse hound]

can someone please tell me how to use zinnia to destroy cs hardmode? thanks

[mellow linden]

What, you mean against Marshal this week?

[obtuse hound]

yeah i tried didnt go well but i unlocked mm so its okay

who should i use for 10k? someone suggested i try it

[toxic cobalt]

What teams did you have for hard mode?

[random moth]

^

[frank shuttle]

The struggle on master mode...

[toxic cobalt]

What is the struggle?

[frank shuttle]

Can't even do dmg to save my life xD

[toxic cobalt]

What parameters and teams are you trying?

[frank shuttle]

I'm still confused on parameters what's that again 😂

[toxic cobalt]

The options that give you master mode points

[frank shuttle]

To be honest I don't know what the to pick 😂

[toxic cobalt]

Have you read the pins here?

[frank shuttle]

Ehhh I didn't

[rotund iron]

Is there a limit on the amount of resets or is it infinite

[keen jasper]

Latter

[rotund iron]

Latter?

[keen jasper]

You can reset infinitely

[rotund iron]

And i still keep the rewards I got?

[keen jasper]

You get all the rewards you obtained after you reach that milestone even if you reset

[frank shuttle]

@toxic cobalt I'll probably do the 850 to start out because I'm new to this part

[keen jasper]

You only get the rewards once

[frank shuttle]

Oh so you gotta figure out how much you wanna do??

[keen jasper]

?

[frank shuttle]

Nvm 😂

I thought you were talking to me 😅

[keen jasper]

[frank shuttle]

But yeah I have zero confidence on my teams in master mode 😂

[keen jasper]

You just have to improvise

[frank shuttle]

Actually I stand corrected Ash did whoop someone in master 🤣

But that was last week

[keen jasper]

He can still do it

[frank shuttle]

But I can't use him through the whole thing haha

[keen jasper]

When I first unlocked my very first MM back in Sinnoh CS, I got 7.9k pts.

[frank shuttle]

My only issue is I don't know who to put on my teams

Like this is my 5* EX and I'm struggling 😂

[keen jasper]

My question is, who are you struggling against?

[frank shuttle]

I tried them all xD

[keen jasper]

You're struggling against all of them?

[frank shuttle]

Well the four at the moment didn't face the champ yet

And this is master mode atm

[random moth]

Recommend parameters

[keen jasper]

I have so many questions, mainly why haven't you invested into Ghetsis

[random moth]

Also get your Free pairs 5/5

[keen jasper]

That'd be up to you

[keen jasper]

You can even make your own parameters

[random moth]

Yea true

[frank shuttle]

I just got him xD

[keen jasper]

Ghetsis is literally perfect for Shauntal

[random moth]

When I first Did MM I picked random ones

[frank shuttle]

So you can get your free pairs 5/5??

[random moth]

Yuh

Not everyone has the same pairs

[latent agate]

True but whoever has, know that it's extremely doable

[keen jasper]

Unova CS is nothing compared to Hoenn and Sinnoh

[latent agate]

No CS is anything compared to ssLred and Ash

[random moth]

Arron is a pain in the ass ngl

I need to grid him he’s 4/5

[latent agate]

My brother in Christ you have extremely good pairs sitting in the benches

Lyra is topnotch for a ssred sun team

[frank shuttle]

I'm day 300 something into the game haha

[latent agate]

Pain to see at lvl1

[random moth]

I never used reg Lyra

[latent agate]

Yea but they are mostly underleveled

[keen jasper]

Also, Solarize is locked at 3/5

[frank shuttle]

And I did quit for a while I started when SS Red came out then stopped

[latent agate]

I didn't care about solarize on lyra

Lyra red and blaine was my OG sun team

[frank shuttle]

Then came back to Red Snorlax then stopped then ash came out xD

[latent agate]

She's good at 1/5 or 2/5 easily

Just need her for the buffs

Red makes sure whatever is on that side is obliterated on that team

[random moth]

Also can I get some help on master mode 2?

[latent agate]

Wait what's MM2

[keen jasper]

On what?

Also MM2

[frank shuttle]

Wait there's a harder one....

[latent agate]

Wat

Where

[random moth]

I’m trying to get 2k

[latent agate]

I'm doing regular MM 10k

[random moth]

I mean 10k

[latent agate]

There's a MM2?

Ohhhh

[keen jasper]

Either use the recommended parameters or make your own

[latent agate]

Ah, i did it already

Every Monday

[keen jasper]

Wrong reply

[latent agate]

Which one

Oh NVM u meant 10k

[keen jasper]

#1009554906568462476 message

[frank shuttle]

Plus I lack books xD

[keen jasper]

Let's start first with your damage dealers

[latent agate]

May + Kris + whatever = big dmg

Ideally Kyogre but if you don't have anything is good

[random moth]

For Shauntel I used Candice,Hala,and SS blue

I only beat shauntel

Marshal is hard to beat ngl

[latent agate]

I think regular blue might do the trick if you don't have what'shisface with lugia

[keen jasper]

Shauntal: Ghetsis or Hala
Grimsley: SS Lyra and/or Brendan or Silver
Caitlinl: Renegade Cynthia or Giovanni/Mewtwo
Marshal: Blue/Pidgeot
Alder: Kukui or off-type

[random moth]

Ty

[latent agate]

He also has Serena, that's a pretty good "third" pair

Just for the sleep

Cheese it all dsy

[keen jasper]

I only mentioned damage dealers, not utility units

[latent agate]

Ah ight

[frank shuttle]

Wait were you talking to me 🤣

[random moth]

Which pairs should be good with reg blue

Someone that raises SP attack and Speed?

[keen jasper]

I was talking to M4LIK

[frank shuttle]

Oh nevermind 😂

[latent agate]

Yes but Kris would be good to offtype with may

[random moth]

Yea but I lost to marshal with that team

I spammed Muddy water

[latent agate]

He can self buff spatk too

[latent agate]

Rain always needs to be up for that, sometimes they fuck up ur rotation

[random moth]

Off type in Marshal?

N*

On*

[plucky pewter]

Need help to complete hard and get my first mvp medal completed (require normal, ice, ghost and dark to be used)

[latent agate]

Might be hard to, but i think possible

[latent agate]

Ash + any ice + any normal
SSTRed + any ghost + any dark
SsMorty+Brendan + any filler
Skyla + alder + filler
SsB + Dialga + filler

[plucky pewter]

Cheers for that

[latent agate]

Ash and SSTRed solos any hard mode content
SsMorty is imo one of the best units so he kind of 'solos"

Same for skyla and SSB although good strikers are required

Oh lmao you have may and Kyogre too

You will crush it 100%

Hilbert is also a topnotch support

[plucky pewter]

The last 8 units on my list at level 1 (staraptor-groudon) I only just got like. An hour ago hence not levelled

[latent agate]

Man your pairs are like almost ready for 10k master mode if they were ex'd and leveled lol

You got this in the bag if it's normal hard mode

[plucky pewter]

😅 Luck of the draw, just haven't been playing consistently enough, like last time I played before this anni was when N & Zoroark released

Still actually learning how to properly order my syncs as well

[latent agate]

When you get to ex something, I'd advise you to ex a support first. That 2x sync bonus is the best feeling

I'd go for Morty, SSB or hilbert

SS Morty**

[plucky pewter]

Yeah, I've got ssred, kiawe and ssa cynthia ex atm

[latent agate]

Oh they didn't show up in ur prints

[plucky pewter]

Ss morty was going to be my next one

Ohh whoops I only searched for current 5* not ex also my bad

Does having those exs done change anything with the earlier mentioned teams or not really

[latent agate]

You also got Maxie and Archie whi h alongside SSMorty and May respectively are beasts

[latent agate]

Anniv Cynthia yeah,same for red

Red can solo whatever u need like ash and ssTred , but not as strong

Cynthia gives you a huge boost on sync so I'd replace skyla or SSB with her

Not sure about kiawe never tried him

[plucky pewter]

I had exd kiawe as my "main" team atm has been SS Red, Kiawe and SS Morty

Like before ash/sst red and ssa cynthia came out

[latent agate]

🔥🔥🔥🔥team

[keen jasper]

Ice is Ghetsis, Normal is Classic Giovanni, Dark is obviously Summer N and Ghost is Phoebe

[plucky pewter]

Thank you

[latent agate]

With those sync pairs any of the required hard mode ones will work, they are beastsss

You can pair two lvl1's with ash and win aha

Gzz

[plucky pewter]

Wait what really?

[latent agate]

Yeah ash and the new red are busted beyond measure lol

Which is why I stated ssTred + any + any
And red + any + any

[plucky pewter]

Fark and here I am wasting them together 😂

[latent agate]

Oh nooo

[plucky pewter]

I mean in other content

Not cs

[latent agate]

Ah, in other content its actually cool

Two Pikachu's obliterating everything

The electric field from ssTRed helps ash aswell

[plucky pewter]

Yeah.. Tomorrow I'm gonna need to grind the elec equipment event as well to get that set done

[latent agate]

GL!

[plucky pewter]

For now I'm just making up those teams you mentioned. Am about to go to work that's all

[keen jasper]

They are a good combination for endgame stuff

For example, you can 3k+ pts. with both of them alone

On MM

[plucky pewter]

Oh cool

[keen jasper]

But them being together for hard mode is just plain overkill

Both of them can solo a stage on their own

[latent agate]

They rly made them very broken
Except for their ex styles

Thats like, f- tier

[plucky pewter]

Yeah the outfits being overly yellow are gross

[latent agate]

Lmao what a random comp aha gz

[frank shuttle]

Ugh lacking sync orbs

[latent agate]

Buy monthly+events

[obtuse hound]

let me see..

[frank shuttle]

Did that 🤣

So where do you get these???

[keen jasper]

Dat energy tho

[obtuse hound]

i know i know better than it was before tho.

ughh idk who to ex

i want to ex SC hilda but idk how good she

is

im thinking about who to ex based on doing my first 10k

can someone help me with 10k?

[frank shuttle]

Finished Master Mode ☺️

[marsh vault]

Red is insanely broken

Even at 1/5 master mode isn't a match

[plucky pewter]

So I ended up for filer going with (in order of how you posted teams) SS Erika, prof sycamore and hop, I'm just not certain on syca/hop

[keen jasper]

How many points?

[frank shuttle]

4,250

[nova galleon]

Any team suggestions for 6000 points

[obtuse hound]

:)

[keen jasper]

Where ur units at?

[keen jasper]

Let's go over your damage dealers

[keen jasper]

Grimsley: Brendan/Sceptile or Silver
Shauntal: Ghetsis
Marshal: Blue/Pidgeot
Caitlin: Giovanni/Mewtwo
Alder: Off-type

[nova galleon]

For alder is deoxys fine

[nova galleon]

And support

[keen jasper]

Yeah, you just need someone to set psychic terrain

[nova galleon]

Bianca

[keen jasper]

Yes her

[obtuse hound]

i know you're helping another person, but here

[keen jasper]

Who do you need help with BTW?

[obtuse hound]

i uh haven't tried 10k 😅 ever

i know its the hardest so i thought id do some teambuilding with help here

idk if the teams i used for hard mode will get me anywhere haha

[keen jasper]

Well, I have mentioned some of the damage dealers, so use them

[obtuse hound]

is 10k stall a thing or nah i can't remember

[keen jasper]

Also @nova galleon @obtuse hound , choose your rounds wisely

[obtuse hound]

field effects?

i should save deoxys for alder yeah

[keen jasper]

The one that you have to worry is round 2

[obtuse hound]

who would you recommend?

[keen jasper]

That would depend on how confident you are on your team

[obtuse hound]

i could use what i did for r2 before, caitlin using ssb and ash

and i could have an ET setter

[nova galleon]

Which supports should I use

[obtuse hound]

i could totally use ssmorty may and someone else for grimsley r1

[keen jasper]

Classic Giovanni, Sonia, Skyla, Swimsuit Misty and SS Brendan. It just depends on what team are you gonna use them

[nova galleon]

I used Skyla and Gary for 1050 points

[keen jasper]

So you finished Marshal?

[nova galleon]

Yes

[keen jasper]

Only him?

[nova galleon]

Yea

Working on others

[keen jasper]

So you're at the hardest round now

[charred canopy]

Is it possible for me to get 10k?

[swift swan]

Yes, absolutely

[charred canopy]

I hope I can do the next rotation

[toxic cobalt]

Why not do this rotation?

Also why have so many characters at 140 when many good ones stilll at lv1?

[charred canopy]

I forgot to do it last week

[charred canopy]

Just got them recently

[toxic cobalt]

That doesn’t make sense. Just build to 120.

[charred canopy]

What do you even mean?

[toxic cobalt]

Don’t level units up to 140 when you have others that need levels

[charred canopy]

Doesn't really matter

[toxic cobalt]

I guess if you don’t want to use them then don’t

[charred canopy]

I'll use them eventually. It doesn't matter if they're leveled or not because I can always grind for them.

[plucky pewter]

First CS Hard mode medal complete thanks for the help both direct to me and also just reading help for others.

[swift swan]

nice, congrats! #1010274591601598555 is the right place to post this btw

[toxic cobalt]

Good luck with Master Mode!

[plucky pewter]

Whoops my mistake

[plucky pewter]

Thanks.. I definitely need to improve my understanding of each sync move before I look into doing anything major with master mode

[toxic cobalt]

What do you mean each sync move?

[plucky pewter]

Like their effects etc.
I don't really yet fully understand the buffs etc

[toxic cobalt]

General sync moves just add 0.5x base damage to all moves

When you EX pairs they do something extra. Support EX adds an additional 0.5x base damage the first time, strike EX simply turns the sync move into an aoe (much like opponent sync moves are by default), while tech adds additional 0.5x base damage just to that sync move.

But you don't need to have EX to do CSMM, it's just helpful

[plucky pewter]

Ahh alright then, see even that I didn't know 😅 thanks for the info

What would you say are the main things I need to prepare when it comes to master mode?

[keen jasper]

The parameters and the gimmicks

[swift swan]

mostly parameters. We recommend going for a total of 4200 first because that's where all the good rewards are, so 850 points per round. Recommended parameters for 850 points are on pins, and you can replace some params with another depending on your needs

[plucky pewter]

Alright cheers for that

[swift swan]

For example the 850 parameters list "no status conditions" and "no stat reduction". if you need any of those two, don't take those and replace them with something else, usually strength

[toxic cobalt]

Main thing is teams

But parameters important too

[keen jasper]

Why is offensive parameters significantly easier than HP parameters?

[toxic cobalt]

So you can pre-sync

[tribal agate]

bear in mind Strength parameters are far better than ATK parameters

as they give far far less stats

https://i.imgur.com/Oi40vBV.png the str pre-sync with +8 str
https://i.imgur.com/pnHzNf1.png all atk tiles but only +3 str

as you can see, 900 atk and spatk difference
big mistake people do sometimes

[toxic cobalt]

Sometimes, or if you're me, everytime

Also only +3 str? How do you get that? I use +5.

[sick inlet]

How HP bigger on second pictureee

[tribal agate]

i usually bump the first max HP since they're so frail anyway, but let me give you the exact one

https://i.imgur.com/tQ6MYjw.png
https://i.imgur.com/3pdP3Or.png

there

from this i usually remove the first atk & def for no stat reduction if i don't use debuffs

[toxic cobalt]

I'm confused they have less defence on +8 str than on +3 str?

[tribal agate]

yeah that's because of the def/spdef +1 likely i added sometimes

i juggle that or no stat reductions depending on the team

i mean it's basically the one pinned 2k pre-sync

[toxic cobalt]

Never liked the pinned one myself

[tribal agate]

it's imo the most accessible one after testing it in-depth, at least that's what the stats show on pomatools

[tacit matrix]

I usually take Str 3 (Instead of Str 2)when I need stat reduction

[tribal agate]

https://i.imgur.com/U2ulfZ7.png here on Alder with my paras

[tacit matrix]

Are the two small Atk/Def better than 1 str?

[tribal agate]

let me check

[tacit matrix]

It shouldn't be, if I understand correctly

[sick inlet]

The pinned ones seem not optimal to me as well tbh, but that's me. I usually mess around with everything so.

[toxic cobalt]

My standard

I want that defence as low as possible

[tribal agate]

wtf

no i have to disagree that's hell

go do that on Alder tho so we can compare

[sick inlet]

Hyperbeam will wipe

[toxic cobalt]

Oh I did it on Sidney as I thought that was what was in your screenshots?

[tribal agate]

i mean defense as low but you just lost 10 def at best

yeah Sidney was old so i updated to Alder on the last one

[toxic cobalt]

I have been in some tight battles

Although I didn't do that for Alder this week

Because rock weak

Blurgh

[tribal agate]

yeah way too much imo

you gain -10 def and spdef and -2000 HP

but you gave him 900 atk and spatk

is that really worth?

[toxic cobalt]

Torchic can take it I believe

[tacit matrix]

Str 1

1 Atk/1 Def

[tribal agate]

yeah STR is generally better indeed

because ATK/DEF are flat 100 for each number

STR is a %

[toxic cobalt]

Don't forget str also boosts HP

[tribal agate]

but an extremely low margin as we can see

on mine, he gained 2000 HP over yours

which is barely an inconvenience considering the 900 offensive stat difference lol

what is really 23k HP when most pairs now deal that in a single move

[toxic cobalt]

Strikers are better now

Cannot disagree

Still, my parameters have always worked with little issue

I only rarely have to fiddle a bit to reduce atk and up str

[tacit matrix]

To be fair for Unova you could go with whatever but I can't imagine using your attack parameters on someone like Sidney

That even with 900 less attack almost 2 shot the tanks

[swift swan]

meanwhile me who presync with full attack params and strength 5

[toxic cobalt]

What can I say, they work

[tribal agate]

y'all crazy

[swift swan]

oh I went full attack params on Sidney. it was alright, I just needed to reset to avoid stronger moves

with full attack params + strength 5 he OHKO'd SS Kris with Seed Bomb, which was understandable. as long as he doesn't use it I'm fine

[toxic cobalt]

There's always that one move

[swift swan]

yknow with Alder this week I realized if he uses Hyper Beam turn 1, you actually have enough time window to queue 4 moves on turn 1

which I used to think was a good thing

until Hilbert got brought down to Endurance with that turn 1 Hyper Beam

[toxic cobalt]

It's not that great as it doesn't really help with the most important move, which is the first quadqueue.

A few more gauge at best

[tacit matrix]

Isn't resetting for RNG moves more annoying tho

[tribal agate]

someone needs to try a kimono grimsley under zone vs full atk & strength hyper beam

[swift swan]

yeah, I don't usually have enough time window to quadqueue on turn 1 in CS so when I could do that on Alder I was pleasantly surprised

of course I later clicked the reset button

[toxic cobalt]

Depends what you're playing for. Can always just run triple EX teams if you want.

[swift swan]

It still gives me faster wins

since I only need to reset on turn 1-2

instead of adding more bulk and making the battle last longer

but that's just me, I like the serotonin boost hyper offensive clears gives me

[tacit matrix]

Yeah at the end as long as it works

[swift swan]

I have a 5/5 kimono grimsley but no zone not EX'd either

[toxic cobalt]

Especially when using Korrina

[swift swan]

<never uses korrina

[toxic cobalt]

You're missing out

[swift swan]

which korrina are we talking about again

[toxic cobalt]

Lucario

[swift swan]

ah

mine's still 3*

[tribal agate]

wow

[swift swan]

I need to commit to 5*ing more units

but usually I can't and would just exchange to

[toxic cobalt]

She works at 4*

You can keep your ->

[tribal agate]

many units work at 4*

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/916852389347196958/1001946496008212560/Screenshot_20220727-221636.png

this is a 4* SS Brock

[sick inlet]

Sometimes you need this.

Very rare

But

I made it work with such parameters and couldn't with full STR

Needed 0 hp increase 😝

[swift swan]

yeah, that's why I take full attack. I need as little bulk increase as I can :p

[tribal agate]

but how, i don't get that

the bulk increase is insignificant

you're increasing massively, doubling their offensive stat

sorry i just can't comprehend the logic

the numbers are there, we saw them

this is not something i can ever recommend

i can't see a single fight where a double sync pre-sync doesn't clear middle far overkill way over their initial bulk

[full mesa]

Min-max. By doubling or even tripling the attacks, they keep hp and defences to bare minimum. Then they can deal the maximum amount of damage.

[sick inlet]

In my cases, it's more to do with rng+ 1-2 v3s (like Counting on TM first turn etc)

Otherwise I always use full STR

[tribal agate]

but that shouldn't be relevant, 23k HP is nothing

unless you're playing some off type weird shenanigans that has a real struggle i'm missing the piece

and we're talking some really niche strats

[toxic cobalt]

It happens

[sick inlet]

[full mesa]

Dunno about those. I always try to play on-type with a set of my own (I copied the from Eevee's videos) post-sync parameters.

[swift swan]

with Alder sure. but with bulky opponents like what Hoenn had, I'd rather not give them more

[tribal agate]

Well even Hoenn, they cap at around 30k if anything, that's still something most 4* nukes can massacre

my Mina did 35k on sync against Sidney fairy

and that's not counting the dps

so again, i'm very confused, but i won't pressure

[sick inlet]

I mean, to be fair to dreamy, when people used to struggle with pinned parameters I used to give them full STR with little tweaks (0Atk/defs)

[toxic cobalt]

Now dreamy controls the pins and strength dominates all

[sick inlet]

Is that abuse of power /j

[swift swan]

I don't have a lot of faith in my nukers most of the time or basically my damage overall

so I lower my expectations by giving my opponents as little bulk as possible

[tribal agate]

by doubling their offensive stat

oh well, agree to disagree

[sick inlet]

I mean if you can survive the bashing full attacks do to you in the span of 6 turns, it shall all be good

[swift swan]

I think the only pinned parameter that I copy is the 2k post sync one, and I rarely use that

[swift swan]

because I trust my tanks more

[sick inlet]

I would argue it's one of the better there is, not many people use it though

[swift swan]

they'd only need to survive 6 turns or so anyway

[sick inlet]

Hyper offensive with Power up on hit and you trust your tanks more than your nukers?

[full mesa]

It is what it is.

[tribal agate]

it slipped my mind but the pin does mention by color code that STR can be replaced by ATK for less bulk

[swift swan]

yes

[tribal agate]

but again, not something i'd recommend to beginners without EX tanks for example
you might trust your tanks, i don't trust theirs lol

[full mesa]

Don't trust anyone. Not even yourself.

[tribal agate]

[swift swan]

oh I never recommend my default params to others lol, I point to the pins

[tribal agate]

i need to convert Aurochs to the STR it's my mission

[sick inlet]

I neverrrrrrrrr recommend pre-sync tbh. Unless everything else fails, I always prefer post sync for new comers as they are more likely to do mistakes/need room for error

[tribal agate]

yeah usually at that point even i pinned "just go for 850 at first tbh"

10k is overrated

[sick inlet]

10k or bust

[swift swan]

but I always find people saying their strikers get wiped out on sync

[tribal agate]

[swift swan]

even when following the params

[swift swan]

it's a matter of honor at this point

[toxic cobalt]

And you don't trust my tanks???

[tribal agate]

yeah that's another issue, following the pre-sync params implies people actually triple queue or quad queue correctly

[tribal agate]

NO stop bullying your tanks

[sick inlet]

What I find out is people mixing between the parameters, or doing pre sync and deciding that's the right one to do.

[toxic cobalt]

Whaaaat. So many issues in CSMM is caused by "my striker gets wiped by their
sync"

[swift swan]

continues to bully my tanks

[toxic cobalt]

I need someone to draw my a graphic of when I tank with Torchic on full attack parameters. "Here you go small chicken. Have a look at this hyper beam. Yes that's coming at you."

[sick inlet]

I mean, with pre-sync if you let your opponent sync once you're gonna be losing too-

[tribal agate]

mfw Aurochs sees Hilbert hit endure against Hyper Beam and he's fine with that

poor Pokemon

[tacit matrix]

Poor Samurott

[sick inlet]

This gives me Rowlet looking back to trainer in a battle vs groudon meme vibe

[long thicket]

Dang, OG Candice's sync move under Hail is so strong...

[swift swan]

yeah, but what I mean is, when new players follow post sync param, sometimes they'd say their striker gets wiped out on 1st sync

especially when we have half sync countdown

[sick inlet]

Welcome to the world of secret weapons

[swift swan]

hell, I used post sync param for a challenge run this week and Nate couldn't survive shit

even when I reduced my points

[toxic cobalt]

Can deny left and then nuke mid

[swift swan]

maybe that's just Nate's defenses issue

[swift swan]

me

[long thicket]

While it was a little close by the end, it made my 850 fight not be as annoying as I thought it would.

[sick inlet]

Nate is paper, only used him ever for Bulu solo which....... ||I hate myself for doing||

[swift swan]

using Nate ruined my 10k themed run

[tribal agate]

poor Nate

[eternal lodge]

I hate that so much, it almost made me skip 10K on the first electric weak Phoebe and forced me to lower the points on this week

[swift swan]

what can I say, that's the first time I used him, ever never again

[sick inlet]

850 is all you need tbh, all the rest are extra resources-ish

[swift swan]

the rest is for bragging rights

[sick inlet]

I like my resources okay

[swift swan]

ah yes I sure do love that 10 BP

[tribal agate]

lessgo! get that 850

[swift swan]

[sick inlet]

As for the 1st sync wipes, Hoenn was really harsh you know.

Pre sync or post sync you gon get your ass kicked

[tribal agate]

Haymaker Phoebe half sync hello

[sick inlet]

Someone like Sidney terrorized people

[swift swan]

I've seen some issues with Unova too, with people saying their strikers getting wiped out early

[eternal lodge]

10BP is nice, in just 3 years you get an extra master BP unit, totally worth it

[tacit matrix]

Half countdown are annoying at the start but pretty fun for me atm

[swift swan]

I forgot who I fought on Hoenn's half sync... probably fairy-weak Sidney and I just flinchlocked him with SS Lyra because I didn't want to take his bullshit

[tacit matrix]

I like to nukes those before they sync, even with half countdown now

[sick inlet]

That I react with
For sure something is off in the method of playing

[swift swan]

oh also I fought fighting-weak Glacia on half sync, where I was too stubborn to postsync her and just... presynced

[tacit matrix]

I expected Glacia with freeze to be a pain in the ass but maybe I was just lucky

[sick inlet]

Me vs fighting weak Glacia half sync. I fully boosted Beas Nuke. Went in, nuke. All over.

[tacit matrix]

She rarely freeze the dps

[swift swan]

I also nuked with Bea, no aura cynthia

it took a shit ton of retries and parameter tweaks

[tribal agate]

i think my biggest nightmare was half sync head start 1 Bertha

[toxic cobalt]

Me with Giovanni when I pulled AMay

[swift swan]

why did you fight the head start 1 boss on half sync

[tribal agate]

i didn't look at the rounds nor their kit 😭

[sick inlet]

Was before ACynthia. Just fully boosted grid Bea.

[toxic cobalt]

But why

[swift swan]

ah, going on Hoenn blind. brave soul

[sick inlet]

I gotta say, Giovanni is one of my favorite post syncers 🙈

He melts them

Before they sync

Lol

[swift swan]

I spent the whole month of Hoenn CS reading and rereading their kits on pomatools 🙈

[eternal lodge]

Fortunately for me, I got Keldeo on the first event and urshifu so fighting weak glacia was a piece of cake

[sick inlet]

Post sync parameters, but they die presync

[grizzled hearth]

I like not planning

[tribal agate]

usually yeah first tries are blind just for the discovery, i remember also Aaron with the heal was quite hilarious
and when you don't know about Sentry or Wise Entry x2 at first "why no dmg"

[full mesa]

Reminder. We don't talk about Sinnoh. We don't acknowledge Sinnoh. The Horror...

[swift swan]

I've only ever achieved this once and I don't think I want to try again

[toxic cobalt]

Hoenn was okay for blindness I found. Most of its tricks were visible.

[swift swan]

but I know I will because I'm too lazy to postsync

[eternal lodge]

Tho Phoebe was the real nightmare, only decent electric unit I had was 1/5 non ex NY Volker, had to offtype

[tribal agate]

you need more Hau

[sick inlet]

Try with broken units with high dps, always fun

[grizzled hearth]

I feel like it'd be fine if people actually freakin read the boss details

[swift swan]

really? because most of its tricks are having huge HP pool that only made me wonder "why did I do so little damage"

[full mesa]

Hau, Clemont. Don't worry you have them?

[eternal lodge]

Not anymore thanks to SST red

[swift swan]

I plan meticulously for Hoenn and Sinnoh. for the rest I go blind

[eternal lodge]

Had them but none ex and Im not used to using clemont

[sick inlet]

I mean other than the sentry entry x2 shenanigans everything else was like the LA bosses so was arguebly visble

[full mesa]

Clemont is fantastic on elec weak stages.

Pair him with SSBlueEx and it's GG.

[swift swan]

clemont takes a while to set up but I find his damage satisfying

[eternal lodge]

But I see no reason to use clemont when I can go urshifu or Mawile + bisharp and do it faster

[swift swan]

oh you know pokemon fans don't read /j

[sick inlet]

Reading? Everything that is mostly covered in pins? No way! /s

[full mesa]

I don't bother. I'll run the stage 3-4 times and find you the gimmicks.

If I have an issue, I'll check the PoMa link.

[swift swan]

enter: people who don't read the pins

[toxic cobalt]

Novemberninth didn't even write a pin this week

[swift swan]

I check poma beforehand so I don't have to do test runs

[swift swan]

well, Unova is pretty easy. no difficult gimmicks

wait for Sinnoh or Hoenn again, then I'll do summaries

[sick inlet]

Me whose funtime is watch Rikko beg people to read pins: not funny when it happens to me!

[toxic cobalt]

I thought that too, but enough people struggled first week that I posted a f2p for this week.

[sick inlet]

There always will be a few people not fully utilizing their stuff

[frosty axle]

I always do F2P run for every week as people struggle

[sick inlet]

Whether trying to take it underleveled

Still learning

Etc

[swift swan]

tbf most of those who struggle are those who are still learning. Unova isn't a new CS so either they're a new player or an old player who only recently takes up CS

godspeed to those starting out CS in Sinnoh or Hoenn, my heart goes out to you

[grizzled hearth]

Really though csmm is still considered endgame content, no matter how easy one region is compared to others

[swift swan]

but then again if you complete either of those 2 I doubt you'll have trouble with Unova

[swift swan]

fair

[sick inlet]

Seriously I give my respects anyone who toughened up during the Hoenn/Sinnoh Saga 🙈

[grizzled hearth]

So it'd make sense that people'll have trouble if they're new

[sick inlet]

This I agree with

[eternal lodge]

After playing csmm for a long while, I believe most regions can be considered at most late game content

[tribal agate]

yeah i was thinking pinning Auroch's F2P thread cause it's really the most accessible thing i've seen #1011675077764456519

[frosty axle]

anything past main story is end game

[tacit matrix]

There were a lot of "First 10k" and "Didn't expect Unova to be this easy" recently