VC4 IDEX Endstop calibration test | Rat Rig Community [Unofficial] | Page 1

normal mirage Nov 28, 2024, 2:11 PM

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normal mirage Nov 28, 2024, 2:12 PM

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tune your belts before doing this
please revert to default endstop values
update ratos

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then try to calibrate it with this method

IDEX endstop calibration

run _VAOC_RESET
start VAOC

if toolhead cant reach the camera in y position increase the y stepper max position and the variable_bed_margin_y accordingly

make a VAOC calibration
exit vaoc
run CALCULATE_DC_ENDSTOP and copy and paste the result to your printer.cfg
run _VAOC_RESET
make a new VAOC calibration

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after that share your ratos-variables.cfg file and the printer.cfg file

void finch Nov 28, 2024, 2:25 PM

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It says gcode_macro ratos is not the valid section for bed_margin_x

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@normal mirage

normal mirage Nov 28, 2024, 2:25 PM

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show me the screenshot of this error

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also, when did this error happens

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after pasting the results to the printer.cfg?

void finch Nov 28, 2024, 2:26 PM

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normal mirage Nov 28, 2024, 2:26 PM

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ahh, one sec

void finch Nov 28, 2024, 2:31 PM

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And also, is it fine if I paste the results in a line with a smaller number than the stepper motors?

normal mirage Nov 28, 2024, 2:31 PM

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i dont understand?

void finch Nov 28, 2024, 2:31 PM

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In the print.cfg file I’m used to paste my modifications on line 40

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On line 150 there are the stepper motor lines

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Don’t they overwrite what I’m putting in?

normal mirage Nov 28, 2024, 2:33 PM

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make it the last text before the green section starts

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before this line

void finch Nov 28, 2024, 2:46 PM

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[Variables]
idex_applied_offset = 0
idex_xcontrolpoint = 212.22356249999999
idex_xoffset = 0.2006041666666647
idex_ycontrolpoint = 529.1949270833334
idex_yoffset = -0.5129270833333521
idex_zcontrolpoint = -2.5
idex_zoffset = 0.08031250000818968
idex_zoffsetcontrolpoint = -5.800937500037727
nozzle_expansion_applied_offset = 0
nozzle_expansion_coefficient_multiplier = 1.0
nozzle_expansion_coefficient_t0 = 0.06
nozzle_expansion_coefficient_t1 = 0.06
t0_filament = ('', '', 0)
t1_filament = ('', '', 0)

normal mirage Nov 28, 2024, 2:46 PM

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perfect

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it worked

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please show me your printer.cfg file

void finch Nov 28, 2024, 2:47 PM

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Nice, it gives me no error starting the print

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I’ll copy and paste the part before save config, fine for you?

normal mirage Nov 28, 2024, 2:47 PM

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just drag and drop the file into the chat

void finch Nov 28, 2024, 2:49 PM

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📎 printer.cfg

normal mirage Nov 28, 2024, 2:50 PM

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oh i forgot one thing

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thank you

void finch Nov 28, 2024, 2:54 PM

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Should I redo everything?

normal mirage Nov 28, 2024, 2:54 PM

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not needed, jsut control your parking position for T1

void finch Nov 28, 2024, 3:02 PM

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Would say it’s fine, thank you

void finch Nov 28, 2024, 3:17 PM

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I started a print right now, I’m sorry…

normal mirage Nov 28, 2024, 3:18 PM

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no prob

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thank you

cold rune Nov 28, 2024, 3:18 PM

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I'm running through these instructions now
just making backups before starting

void finch Nov 28, 2024, 3:18 PM

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Thank you, you still corrected my problem🙃😅

cold rune Nov 28, 2024, 3:30 PM

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[dual_carriage]
position_max: 358.973
position_endstop: 358.973

[gcode_macro RatOS]
variable_bed_margin_x: [59.800, 58.973]

[gcode_macro _VAOC]
variable_expected_camera_x_position: 112.097
variable_expected_camera_y_position: 326.807

[gcode_macro T0]
variable_parking_position: -57.800

[gcode_macro T1]
variable_parking_position: 356.973```

normal mirage Nov 28, 2024, 3:31 PM

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coolio

cold rune Nov 28, 2024, 3:32 PM

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the heavy duty bearings are a massive improvement, vaoc was crazy tight dialed in swapping between toolheads

normal mirage Nov 28, 2024, 3:32 PM

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yes, these bearings are pure gold

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made out of vibranium

lilac wolfBOT Nov 28, 2024, 3:37 PM

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normal mirage tune your belts before doing this please revert to default endstop values update...

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cold rune Nov 28, 2024, 3:39 PM

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idex_applied_offset = 0
idex_xcontrolpoint = 112.52929813664596
idex_xoffset = 0.8869565217391226
idex_ycontrolpoint = 326.6057577639752
idex_yoffset = -0.2049689440993916
idex_zcontrolpoint = 1.0
idex_zoffset = -0.009687500000029381
idex_zoffsetcontrolpoint = -2.8303124999759826
nozzle_expansion_applied_offset = 0
nozzle_expansion_coefficient_multiplier = 1.4
nozzle_expansion_coefficient_t0 = 0.12375000001454706
nozzle_expansion_coefficient_t1 = 0.08718750000292985
t0_filament = ('', '', 0)
t1_filament = ('', '', 0)```

normal mirage Nov 28, 2024, 3:40 PM

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noise

cold rune Nov 28, 2024, 3:41 PM

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shouldn't the xoffset and yoffset be closer to 0? or are those fine now with the earlier printer.cfg changes?

normal mirage Nov 28, 2024, 3:41 PM

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you cant do anything about the y offset

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and the x offset should just below 1mm

cold rune Nov 28, 2024, 3:42 PM

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ok cool

normal mirage Nov 28, 2024, 3:42 PM

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technically after this procedure the x offset should be 0

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but real life sucks sometimes

cold rune Nov 28, 2024, 3:44 PM

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kk, those ratos-variables.cfg are from after step 8 of your instructions, while the printer.cfg data is from step 6. Should I rerun CALCULATE_DC_ENDSTOP again?

normal mirage Nov 28, 2024, 3:44 PM

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no, all good

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thank you

cold rune Nov 28, 2024, 3:45 PM

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np, time to go tune up everything else again

rain zinc Nov 28, 2024, 6:38 PM

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@normal mirage when you say revert to default endstop values, you mean only dc?

normal mirage Nov 28, 2024, 6:38 PM

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x and dc

rain zinc Nov 28, 2024, 6:38 PM

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Ok

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I downloaded the util cfg but seems like I can't upload it due to permissions

normal mirage Nov 28, 2024, 6:42 PM

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rain zinc I downloaded the util cfg but seems like I can't upload it due to permissions

jsut copy and paste the macro that is in green and paste it into the printer.cfg

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do not upload a file

rain zinc Nov 28, 2024, 6:42 PM

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Aah

slow hearth Nov 28, 2024, 6:58 PM

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normal mirage tune your belts before doing this please revert to default endstop values update...

where can I find the default values for restoring?

normal mirage Nov 28, 2024, 7:00 PM

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slow hearth where can I find the default values for restoring?

if you cant find them ignore that point

slow hearth Nov 28, 2024, 7:07 PM

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my values were pretty close to the new test nod

rain zinc Nov 28, 2024, 7:45 PM

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I retrieved the default from ratos configuration github under printers vc4 idex and 400.cfg

vocal gust Nov 28, 2024, 8:46 PM

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After having actually thightened my T1 x-axis grup screw today I got some propper results 🙂 [Variables]
idex_applied_offset = 0
idex_xcontrolpoint = 212.18567994707587
idex_xoffset = 0.23223436713172418
idex_ycontrolpoint = 530.6923947688024
idex_yoffset = 0.12638605013967208
idex_zcontrolpoint = -1.2999999999999994
idex_zoffset = 0.0
idex_zoffsetcontrolpoint = 0.0
nozzle_expansion_applied_offset = 0
nozzle_expansion_coefficient_multiplier = 1.0
nozzle_expansion_coefficient_t0 = 0.06
nozzle_expansion_coefficient_t1 = 0.06

rain zinc Nov 28, 2024, 9:38 PM

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Worked great @normal mirage 🥳 now that I resetted my X endstop, do I need to tune it again to the left side of the bed?

cold rune Nov 29, 2024, 1:13 AM

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Just checking in after test prints, this approach was much easier for tuning IDEX. Pretty much flawless

normal mirage Nov 29, 2024, 1:22 AM

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rain zinc Worked great <@910278846530596936> 🥳 now that I resetted my X endstop, do I nee...

no

violet glen Nov 29, 2024, 3:23 AM

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normal mirage tune your belts before doing this please revert to default endstop values update...

OMG @normal mirage thank you so much! This rocks!

violet glen Nov 29, 2024, 3:44 AM

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can we get this pinned please

rain zinc Nov 29, 2024, 11:59 AM

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Indeed. That was so much easier

earnest goblet Nov 29, 2024, 4:35 PM

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after doing this system of VAOC calibrations and running the macro and putting them in the printer.cfg.. then restarting .. T0 looks good at -15.. but T1 looks off about 2mm at 515. Here is VAOC results.

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[Variables]
idex_applied_offset = 1
idex_xcontrolpoint = 211.70262245155092
idex_xoffset = -1.1163285678288162
idex_ycontrolpoint = 532.1319660491591
idex_yoffset = 0.41995217551652786
idex_zcontrolpoint = -1.5268750000027291
idex_zoffset = -0.005625000002608793
idex_zoffsetcontrolpoint = -5.4293749999859795
nozzle_expansion_applied_offset = 0
nozzle_expansion_coefficient_multiplier = 1.0
nozzle_expansion_coefficient_t0 = 0.06
nozzle_expansion_coefficient_t1 = 0.06

normal mirage Nov 29, 2024, 8:33 PM

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earnest goblet after doing this system of VAOC calibrations and running the macro and putting t...

ignore the bed edges

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you still have a x fofset of over 1mm, did you tuned your belts properly before doing the calirbation?

earnest goblet Nov 29, 2024, 8:36 PM

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normal mirage ignore the bed edges

um no because there is no actual walkthrough on what to do and in what order for idex.

normal mirage Nov 29, 2024, 8:41 PM

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earnest goblet um no because there is no actual walkthrough on what to do and in what order for...

well, without correct belt tuning the VAOC wont work reliable

cold rune Dec 1, 2024, 3:08 AM

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idex_xoffset = 0.007453416149061809
yeah, there we go, redid these steps after getting belts dialed in more

normal mirage Dec 1, 2024, 5:36 AM

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cold rune `idex_xoffset = 0.007453416149061809` yeah, there we go, redid these steps after...

excellent, thats how its supposed to look like

violet glen Dec 1, 2024, 8:20 AM

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cold rune `idex_xoffset = 0.007453416149061809` yeah, there we go, redid these steps after...

Can you please create a guide for your belt journey in the main idex channel? It would help out others. I'm willing to help you organize it.

oblique phoenix Dec 1, 2024, 9:42 AM

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Apparently, all my problems (IDEX 500) with the "Move out of range:" were due a faulty back_clamp, that didn't hold the belt properly in combination with the default acceleration been set to 10000mm, which is a bit aggressive for a 500?

normal mirage Dec 1, 2024, 9:43 AM

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oblique phoenix Apparently, all my problems (IDEX 500) with the "Move out of range:" were due a ...

10k is nothing

oblique phoenix Dec 1, 2024, 9:51 AM

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So probably I'm not tuning my belts properly, even with the Hybrid 500 - 10K was unachievable for any meaningful print quality

normal mirage Dec 1, 2024, 9:51 AM

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oblique phoenix So probably I'm not tuning my belts properly, even with the Hybrid 500 - 10K was...

well, slicer profile tuning plays a huge role as well of course

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and of course input shaper

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its mandatory to achieve good quality at high speeds

oblique phoenix Dec 1, 2024, 9:57 AM

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I tuned my Prusament PC-Blend from ground up, achieving a very good precision even better than my enclosed MK3S+ (all enclosed chambers). Never reached more than 6000 acceleration on the RatRig - above that quality is ridiculous for my needs... How would you advise on tuning belts properly? I'm using the Diyshift GT2 belt tensioner...

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Currently at 10k, starting the VAOC procedure brings me "moove out of range"

normal mirage Dec 1, 2024, 9:58 AM

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this is the wrong channel for it. if you want help to tune your printer for speed create a own thread in #1047083750200180797 and share your profile and images of the prints

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also, a belt tension meter is not enough, if it even works.

oblique phoenix Dec 1, 2024, 9:58 AM

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Sure, I apologize

normal mirage Dec 1, 2024, 9:58 AM

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you need to make sure you dont have any virbations and equal belt length and so on

normal mirage Dec 1, 2024, 9:59 AM

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oblique phoenix Sure, I apologize

no need to apologize

cold rune Dec 1, 2024, 12:17 PM

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violet glen Can you please create a guide for your belt journey in the main idex channel? I...

Absolutely, I planned on recording a video walking through my tuning steps once my voice is back. Currently sick.

oblique phoenix Dec 2, 2024, 7:47 AM

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This procedure definitely works and the official commissioning guide should be changed, as soon as possible, for the others to follow.. Thank you all!

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idex_xoffset = 0.08171275776905418

frigid summit Dec 3, 2024, 9:39 PM

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quick question, is it okay to have calibrated skew correction beforehand or do I need to deactivate it for this?

frigid summit Dec 4, 2024, 5:54 AM

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normal mirage tune your belts before doing this please revert to default endstop values update...

what is meant by reverting to default endstop valus? sorry for this question..

normal mirage Dec 4, 2024, 5:56 AM

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position_min: -15
position_endstop: -15

[stepper_x]
position_min: -60
position_endstop: -60```

slow crag Dec 21, 2024, 5:34 PM

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Good evening, I tried both guides, first the guide from the official IDEX comissioning and this one in the thread, but i get a error while doing the Z Offset. Unfortunatelly I could not find any working fix in the discord.

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📎 ratos-variables.cfg 📎 printer.cfg

normal mirage Dec 21, 2024, 5:45 PM

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slow crag Good evening, I tried both guides, first the guide from the official IDEX comiss...

run _VAOC_RESET and try again

slow crag Dec 21, 2024, 5:52 PM

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Same result

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I had to restart klipper, because the Toolhead was not over the cam and VAOC jumped directly into calibration without moving

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But afterwards i only did the reset and did the z-offset

violet glen Dec 22, 2024, 3:17 AM

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normal mirage ```[stepper_y] position_min: -15 position_endstop: -15 [stepper_x] position_min...

@normal mirage pin dis! Please

frigid summit Jan 3, 2025, 8:44 AM

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First one:
[Variables]
idex_applied_offset = 0
idex_xcontrolpoint = 163.2746923783287
idex_xoffset = 0.0367309458218017
idex_ycontrolpoint = 428.155
idex_yoffset = -0.4407713498623025
idex_zcontrolpoint = -1.5
idex_zoffset = 0.0
idex_zoffsetcontrolpoint = 0.0
nozzle_expansion_applied_offset = 0
nozzle_expansion_coefficient_multiplier = 0.8275560223951178
nozzle_expansion_coefficient_t0 = 0.06
nozzle_expansion_coefficient_t1 = 0.06
t0_filament = ('', '', 0)
t1_filament = ('', '', 0)

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Copy and paste to your printer.cfg

[dual_carriage]
position_max: 459.422
position_endstop: 459.422

[gcode_macro RatOS]
variable_bed_margin_x: [60.000, 59.422]

[gcode_macro _VAOC]
variable_expected_camera_x_position: 163.260
variable_expected_camera_y_position: 428.155

[gcode_macro T0]
variable_parking_position: -58.000

[gcode_macro T1]
variable_parking_position: 457.422

normal mirage Jan 3, 2025, 9:58 AM

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violet glen <@910278846530596936> pin dis! Please

i cant pin things here, i have no rights to do so

frigid summit Jan 3, 2025, 11:46 AM

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T0 and t1 do still not align in idex mode. What can I try?

shut oasis Jan 3, 2025, 11:50 AM

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normal mirage i cant pin things here, i have no rights to do so

There's a workaround to calibrate idex without vaoc module?

normal mirage Jan 3, 2025, 11:51 AM

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shut oasis There's a workaround to calibrate idex without vaoc module?

only with certain testprints and manually calibrating it

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search on printables for them

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but this wont solve any issues you might have

shut oasis Jan 3, 2025, 12:02 PM

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normal mirage but this wont solve any issues you might have

Well.. I've broken the camera board.. so no way, for now, to have vaoc working.

ancient field Jan 15, 2025, 11:41 PM

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Just for reference I built my Idex this last week and using the updated RatOS this was not an issue I had, my endstop values were within +-1mm of the above.

slow crag Jan 31, 2025, 7:05 PM

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slow crag

I am still stuck at the Z-Offset Calibration. I just redid the whole calibration along with the neu tutorial, but still the same issue. I also tired running _VAOC_RESET again, but nothing changes. Any ideas?

molten thorn Jan 31, 2025, 9:43 PM

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slow crag I am still stuck at the Z-Offset Calibration. I just redid the whole calibration...

in your printer.cfg, under [stepper_z] change position_min to -7 and try again, please

slow crag Feb 1, 2025, 3:18 PM

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molten thorn in your printer.cfg, under [stepper_z] change position_min to -7 and try again, ...

that worked! Thank you 🙂

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