More dragon slots

[wind shuttle]

With the new skins and skin crafting coming, i cannot choose a skin i like because i like them all! Instead of creating a new account maybe give us 2 slots for each dragon?

[bronze kindle]

Thissss, its a shame how much people pay for the game, especially buying multiple accounts and dlc's

Each account should have 2 dragon slots for each dragons, and MABYE have a dlc that gives a extra 1 or 2 slots?
(along with this, the menu should show the stats of each dragon, and location so people would not get confused with the dragon slots)

[wind shuttle]

Yah defo need this, i had a 4++ leum ss and got it to elder loved it but really like new sunset and SN skins didn’t want to get rid of the leum but hay ho, but we need more slots definitely 💯

[umbral kite]

I agree but only for the PvE and like 2 slots maximum. This would be completely broken in PvP.

[brisk lichen]

I think this would be a good idea, so we don't have to constiuatly buy the game which is $20 in USD. Which is a lot of money. Whats worse theres an add-on with legacy. So you have to think about that as well. This would help a lot for people to not have to use sandboxie. Since theres that anti-cheat system. Since a lot of players a bit frustrated that they cannot use more then 1. Account, to get in or use for a skin to effectively nest.

To also think about PVP players. This would also be nice, for them just in case they lose their dragon they have a back up. But i feel like that would back fire. Maybe they could do something like "COS" (Roblox game) Where if your dragon dies? Theres a timer. Before using the 2nd slot. Either use that slot you died from or Forcing your to use any other dragon.

[bronze kindle]

Agree that PVP having it would also be nice, and the system for COS could work, where you cant get on that other slot if it dies for 10 mins,

but this could also get people to pull from fights just to switch (and mabye hardlog while they heal)

So also something that could be added is one slot of dragon CANNOT be hardlogged, like SS 1 is hardlogged, you cannot get on SS 2
might make it a bit fair

[wind shuttle]

Probably only for PVE but so start off with 1 SS and once it get to elder then you can unlock another slot then do the same get both ss to elder and unlock the 3rd and final slot. Again it be really nice instead of having to get another account pay for the game then if you want the shimmers and gold pearl saves you £200,

[wraith flicker]

At the moment i think having slots similar to beasts of Bermuda would solve the problem. Some people dont play certain species and specialize in 2 or 3. . 4 or 5 slots ideal maybe dlc increase by one
Only problem I can see is if cos system in place not allowed to play if died at wrong place or died logging in. Other than that feel like change would be beneficial

[flat otter]

I even be ok with like buying a dragon slots dlc it would be worth it to me
It does suck that u can have a dragon u gather a bunch of pearls n get good stats n then a new spawn skin happened n u can't get it through breeding unless someone gets lucky n is oidn enough to let you nest it gets frustrating

[novel lion]

As a moderator did say, the entire Save System would have to be reworked to make this happen; and we would very likely have to be wiped of all our dragons if a save system was completely rebuilt.

And I know most people don't want that to happen. If Jao does find another way, I would love this suggestion however.

[honest ruin]

The best I can think of, is allow the game to be family-shared, but it's going to impact negatively on how many copies of the game are sold each year AND give a massive advantage to those who bought several accounts

[bronze kindle]

i honestly wouldnt mind, considering they did that for 1.0 they could just wait till a massive update (for example caves) through that would take years, but i think most wouldent mind if it had been years

[wraith flicker]

I dont think anyone is a fan of wipes and usually upsetting at first then dies down. Has happened before once or twice because how the gameplay loop of the game of nest for basically a month for end game play, but reset is called for every now and then especially if a system improved i would think

[fallen ether]

I'd even be okay with buying slots rather than whole new accounts. Its hard to manage 12 accounts. I cant imagine people who have 20+ accounts...

[opaque trail]

I would love to be able to make multiple characters of the same species on one account/sever. Some people can't afford to buy the game multiple times. It adds up and gets expensive...

I think at least one extra slot for each species should be free and if you must, make others available through affordable purchasing options.

Please please 🙏

[teal arch]

Pleasessssss I would be content with at least 3 slots for each dragon. IF money is a concern make at leat the 3rd slot a transaction slot.

[turbid ermine]

Or just allow like 15 slots of dragons and can have multiple of the same species.

Literally every game I know has solved this problem.

[honest ruin]

I wonder if we can have a system where you can "park" your dragons

On some isle servers, you can grow your stuff, and once it's full grown with max health, you can "park" your character, so we could have something similar:

• Grow your dragon, sleep for 60 seconds and safelog
• In the spawn menu, you should see "parked dragons", and you can choose to spawn a new one, or take out a parked one
• Ofc, say that you parked Dragon1 at 30s 40e, you will be logged back at that exact spot

The only issue remaining is "Breeding wise, how do I tell the difference between dragons on the same account?"

Example

Leum Koraxa x Dragon1 => Baby1
Melanistic Koraxa x Dragon2 => Baby 2

If I breed Baby1 x Baby2, is it an F stat?
When I check the parents, does it count as the same dragon even if they have different skins??

Maybe you can't have more than 1 dragon with the same skin? So when you hover on the parent it says the skin and you can tell the difference?

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A change like this is possible, but PLEASE add an interface where I can scroll through my stored dragons, and basically see their character panel
((Vitals and Genetics + Coords))

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PvP wise, people already switch between accounts to store/fight on grown stuff, so if everyone has this advantage, then we will also fix the problem of having multiple accounts being greately advantaged over those who have one or just a few

[wraith flicker]

That is basically slot system name a slotted dragon its saved can pull it out anytime and name it
only thing added for you is the extra info which if you can name it can take a picture of the important stuff genes cords etc

[silent steeple]

This would make the game healthier to play. It wouldn’t be unbalanced for either mode. Remember that you still have to GROW and survive on the second slot dragon, making it just as vulnerable as the first slot dragon.

[signal matrix]

This would be extremely broken for PvP I agree it would be great but also for the people who have already bought extra accounts say it is another payed thing it would kind of suck for them. Also this is a thing that could posibly cause a wipe as you would be be changing how dragons are saved so thats another thing to think about. The devs have stated they dont want to do a wipe also that would kill a lot of player motivation as well for people to have lost all the time and effort they put in this game. Its not as simple as just adding in slots the game wasnt built to have multiple slots thats a huge coding change, a huge change to saves and internal work.

[ebon swan]

I think a good time for them to do it would be around when the fantasy servers release then, a lot of players will likely gravitate to the fantasy servers at this time regardless

As someone with several accounts, I wouldn't be mad if they decided to add more slots, esp ones you can unlock since its just more space on each account

Plus, as Kaiju said, you still have to grow each dragon and risk dying regardless when it comes to PvP. I don't really play it but thats my observation

[signal matrix]

I have several accounts and as someone who has spent over 2k hours on this game creating and holding breeders and upstating I would be pissed if there was a wipe that waisted all that time even if there was a fantasy server since that server as that in itself is already a start over. If I had to restart on my home server as well honestly I think I'd drop the game I wouldn't want to have to work double time just to restart on my home server that I should be able to go back to if I just wanted a break from having to do all the work on the fantasy server with all the skins we now have. If people want to go play in the fantasy server thats fine but that doesn't make it okay to wipe everything that everyone has worked for. And again the PvP implications would be extremely broken fights can already go for 3+ hours I'd hate to see how long they would go if people with multiple accounts had multiple dragons on those accounts it would be never ending.

[ebon swan]

I have over 3k hours across 12+ accounts. Im running out of space to be able to help people get skins they want. I just think it's kind of unfair that if people want to have multiple different skins, they have to buy a whole new account just to do this

Especially with skin crafting on the horizon alongside the present mutations. Limiting 1 skin per dragon? Maybe make it so skin slots can be unlocked on specific servers if we're worried about PvP too. I just can't see the downside in allowing people to have more than 1 slot per dragon Especially with how quick people are to upstatting things in the first place, and with the addition of the broods ability to help boost the stats

I understand that it is a bit discouraging when people have spent months to years of their time on this game, but it is still in early access and things like this are bound to happen. Especially when it comes to overall improvement of the game. I whole heartedly believe that this would be good for the community

[signal matrix]

Brood ability does nothing for resesives so really it doesn't help with upstating at all you still have to nest to fix those recs. I'm not saying theres no up sides to having more slots but there is a lot of down sides to it as well. You may not mind losing all that time but I've seen lots of others voice that they would very much mind and the devs themselves have also mentioned they wouldn't want to do anything that would cause a wipe. Something like this where it would change how saves work and how the game reads them would almost guarantee that there would have to be one. They said that people shouldnt be trying to hold every skin there will be to many so I'm sorry you're running out of space but its also not your job to hand out skins to everyone that wants a specific skin as nice as it is for you to try to do so.

The fact you can't see the down side in years of time wasted is kind of crazy yes its a game but time is still time given people put a lot in this game and that would be very discouraging when the devs have stated time and time again that no wipes will happen if it can be optionally avoided. When adding things in it has to be balanced for all gameplay multiple slots would be extremely hard to balance, it be a great pve aspect for sure but a very unbalanced pvp aspect as I said before PvP fights already can last 3+ hours and thats with just the accounts people have now. If you had multiple dragons on multiple accounts who knows how long they could span. Also you have to think of the upcoming dragons as well hybrids and behemoths having multiple on a single account being able to quickly bring in a fresh one to a fight when they are implemented would tip the scales super quick even more than already what they will when they come out. Its not just about having more room for a skin theres a lot more to think about then just having more room.

[ebon swan]

Then maybe lets consider that they should allow multiple skin saves per dragon rather than slots Like something that is able to just be replaceable, similar to how CoS does it. Maybe even a cooldown that can be adjusted for different servers so PvP players don't worry about how long a fight will last and PvE players can still have all sorts of skins lol.

Yeah I dont have to have every skin, but I want every skin. People have made so many different suggestions on how this could be done. I also even mentioned an unlock method that could be turned on and off between servers. Why make a system that makes you have to renest because you want to change your skin? The game is kinda unfriendly to those with just 1 account, especially with the variety of skins, mutations, and that's not even including skin crafting yet.

It doesn't seem like time is wasted because the same thing happened with the transition from Legacy to 1.0..

Anyway thats all :> Have a good night.

[signal matrix]

Per dragon and slots would be basically the same thing since you're asking for a whole new dragon either way without the lose of the previous one. I understand wanting every skin I want every skin to I used to have them back in legacy. Trust, the fact theres more here is stressful for me to lol. The game isnt built to have multiple saves it never has been and if he wanted it to be he would have changed it a long time ago. Even if it was to be changed it likely wouldn't go on the official severs it would likely be for private servers if you're talking about making it optional but even then it would change all saves since its a coding change. The system has always been to have to be renested to change your skin even back in legacy. This has been a topic since the game first came out and jao has always said that people were never intended to have multiple accounts nor have multiple dragons (ie multiple accounts) it just kinda played out that way as its someone's choice to buy an alt. Skin crafting also won't work the same like it did back in legacy so its really only worth holding the base skins.

And when he swapped the game over from legacy a lot of players left/took breaks do to the way nesting was with the new resesives and how messy/hard it was to upstat. All that had to be fixed and rebalanced and it still takes 5x longer to upstat then it did in legacy plus there more skins now so you have to do those on top of that as well. All I ask is just consider all sides of things before just saying you want something just because you feel its unfair because you can't have all the pretty cosmetics. This goes for everyone looking at this post to I get theres a lot of skins but also you can't just add things into a game just to add things in it has to be thought through.

[broken urchin]

Multiple slots for dragons should have been added at the start imo. But considering the game is still early access, I believe the addition and wipe if absolutely necessary should be done sooner rather than later.

The goal should be to not depend on alt accounts to play the game. The fact that just about every player has had to buy one is a problem that needs to be addressed. I understand it's frustrating to loose all the progress for stats, but if they include the change with 1.3 skin crafting, players will be wanting to try new skins anyways.

I advocate for PVE servers to have 3 slots per dragon. 1 male, 1 female, and a slot to nest yourself especially with sandboxie being removed as an option. PVP at most should have 2 if that. Most PVP players are more concerned with stats than skins and would only need them as breeder/fighter backups. Perhaps a cool down is placed on all adult dragons of the same type that dies to prevent just coming back immediately. But I suppose PVP players would find a work around regardless.

IDK we could use more PVP player input for this, but the votes are overwhelmingly a yes for this change

Another idea would be a dragon storage similar to Flight Rising. If you get a dragon with the skin you want, you can add it to the dragon storage which frees up your slot for that dragon type. But after death, this storage would be unavailable to pull from and could include either:

A) a cooldown every time you pull or place a dragon in storage
or
B) a cooldown on the dragon specifically after it has been pulled or placed in storage

[silent steeple]

Hey yknow you’ll have slots on your alts too right???

[wraith flicker]

The damage with alts is already done. The newer players are promoted to repay for the game to be on equal playing field.
Slots may fix some of the issues but that requires a wipe which for length (correct me if im wrong the equal playtime of a month to be near endgame) for progression and you can lose upset a large chunk of playerbase due to probably sinking over 700 hours.

[honest ruin]

Yes, but

I don't think that "players with alts are going to have even more slots" is a big deal, because by trying to "not help" those with multiple accounts, we're also making things harder for those with only 1 account, forcing them to buy alts just to keep up

People with a lot of alts are going to get a lot of new slots? Cool, they paid for it so that's fair
People with 1 account are going to have multiple slots for the same species? Cool, they paid for their only account so that's fair
Everyone gets the same advantage, it's just proportional to what they paid for - No one can stop the alt accounts, but it should be a perk rather than a necessity

The buying alt accounts is just the consequence of a problem: 1 slot/dragon isn't enough to sustain yourself.

1 account should have been enough since day 1, so we're tyring to fix this now (late) rather than never

Edit:

Oh mb I thought you meant that as a bad thing

[silent steeple]

No it’s not a big deal at all, just not sure why everyone is thinking it’ll break PvP when it’s just going to be the same

[jovial wyvern]

For why people think it would effect balancing, every grow takes the same effort, but having the dragons already grown means that you can rapidfire return to a fight youve lost with, say, a run of 10 adult SSs. Meaning pvp would not be a contest of skill, but rather a contest of who has the most time sunk into the game and has the most adult dragons to burn by returning to the same fight over and over until the other player's account is wiped of adults.
Giving players with the most playable hours a very strong pvp advantage over players who may only have the time to grow a handful of dragons a week. Or someone new and trying to get their footing in pvp who only has an adult or two.

While this does happen with alts, and a lot of pvp has an alt or two, the number of pvp players who can field a chain of 10+ adult dragons is much smaller. So while there still is only so many hours in a week to grow dragons, the more slots a player has per account, the more the gap between new players and those few who can afford to "no life" the game inflates.

Because its different to win or loose a fight, then it is to win a fight, be low on health, and have that player you just killed roll back up (to the place they know you are, and know youre at low health) and immediately attack you with a second full health dragon and finish you off.

[teal arch]

Then why not put a timer on the the species for when you die to another player you have to wait like 10 minutes before get on the species slot? Example. I am a flamestalker and get killed by another player. I cannot select a flame stalker for 10 mins so I must play a different dragon or wait the timer.

With that solution I feel those who run there own servers should be able to toggle it on or off. Just a suggestion

[ebon swan]

This is exactly what I was talking about! Make it like CoS where after you die you can't access specific dragons that are 'stored' for a set duration of time. This duration can be adjusted per server

[signal matrix]

Because you can just leave the fight when at low health and swap just like what they do anyway with an alt but instead of say taking 5 minutes to swap cuz you have to hard log in what you think is a safe spot or safe log once you get away and then log into a whole new account. You would just be able to instantaneously swap to a fresh dragon and head back over. Like I said before sometimes these fights span hours 10 minutes wouldn't be enough of a timer and who cares if you die on an ss if next you can bring in an fs, ir, brood, asd and rotate respectively though the dragons just for timers sake all you'd have to do is survive. It would make what happens now worse than what it already is. Just like Hungry said it would become a contest of what can has more time on their hands more so than it already has.

[silent steeple]

That’s just kinda the nature of how clan games are like unfortunately. More time = better advantage, like ark, rust, etc. No matter what you do, the people with more time will always have an advantage, with slots, without slots, with alts, without alts. If I remember there was nonclan servers in discussion maybe. Those servers can have 1 slot, but that then begs the question of alts.

[solar wasp]

They could make another PvP server, WITH the saved sloths and keep MM?

[signal matrix]

if one person could hold all the skins it would negate the point of having a clan based game the point is to work together for that aspect of things and cooperate with one another. Yeah I guess you could open a second pvp server with the slots and keep what we have without them but again you are asking for an entire coding change something that would change how the game reads core save files so thats highly unlikely as it would be an over all change and it would be something that would again cause a wipe something I will again state that the devs have openly said they want to avoid and it would likely make it non optional since it would be save related so it wouldnt be an on/off type of thing its why you dont see servers on POT having just one slot type servers its built into the core of the game the game is built for it. this game is not built for it so you are asking for a whole coding overhaul which in turn could also break the game entirely where they might have to rebuild the game from scratch all over again which is what caused the 1.0 wipe in the first place the game could not be ported over as it was rebuilt so it could take years again and cause more early access time more set backs and more problems for the devs and ultimately the players.

[silent steeple]

I dont see the issue with the skins thing, its cosmetic, and its not like theyre adding infinite dragon slots. Id say 2 of each species would very much improve the game for people who are not interested in buying the game 19+ times to catch up. Adding 1 more slot would not really break the game that much. The standard of tons of alts wasnt intended.

[signal matrix]

"The standard of tons of alts wasnt intended." then why are yall arguing for slots knowing that? its the same thing. Paid, unlocked, coded in whatever you want its the same thing. Same concept, if you are not supposed to have multiple accounts ie multiple dragons of the same kind you would not have multiple slots of the same dragon. Its the same thing. If you know enough to stat that then why argue about it?

[ebon swan]

Bacon said it the best. Multiple dragon slots wasn't intended, but it should have been implemented. In a game where you can nest for your own skins, have cosmetics, etc. you'd kind of hope or even expect to at least have more than 1 slot available to you.

I literally do not even care if it's a separate dragon or if it's just gonna be me switching the skins out like CoS.

With the addition of skin crafting, I fear it'll only make people want to buy more alt accounts in order to obtain more skins they like. Cause the devs themselves have said there will be so many options for it.

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So it seems to me PvP's main concern of multiple dragon slots is that it'll be unbalanced, as well as some other people concerned about a wipe and the fact it's a clan/social game.

How about we make it so after someone dies, if they were to remain on the same account and just spawn a different dragon, they shouldn't be able to right away. I think a 5-10minute timer (adjustable per server) is suitable for this.

As for people just swapping to a different alt account, that's about already 5-10mins of just waiting for the game to close, swap to the next acc, load into the game. What if whenever you load into the game, you can't spawn in right away? Making you wait an additional 1-2 mins or so (adjustable per server)

I genuinely think the damage is already done regarding alt accounts in PvP, making the fights last for potentially hours. It's basically the same thing you keep arguing about. More slots -> more time on your hands / More alts -> more money AND time on your hands. Either way, it'll always be unfair and unfriendly to new players.

My other idea was not only add this 5-10minute timer, but each server can adjust how many slots you can access. Maybe for PvP it can just remain as 1 slot per dragon, 2 at max, for PvE it could either be 2-3:
PvP - 1 fighter , 1 breeder
PvE - Could either have a full acc of males, fems, mixmatched. Literally whatever is desiresble.
-# This of course could be adjusted and would have to be implemented

Now as for if they're unlockable, purchasable, or just straight up free? I think that should just be left up to the devs. I think unlockable is probably for the best as people likely would be upset if you had to pay for the extra slots. Or even 1 free, 1 unlockable (free one being the 2nd as we currently only have 1)

Okay now regarding the issue with the wipe, again Bacon literally said it the best. I don't want a wipe, nobody else wants a wipe, but for the sake of the game to move forward and improve, players should be ready to accept that possibility. Yes it sucks all that time "wasted", I don't view it as wasted because look at all the work and how happy people are with the current stuff they have? That is enough for me to feel satisifed. People are likely gonna be renesting majority of their dragons when skin crafting is added. Why delay a potential wipe till AFTER its been added?? Around when skin crafting releases is probably the best time to do that with people testing out the new features and mechanics.

As for it being a social game; even if you have multiple accounts, slots, and skins, doesn't mean they aren't being used for your clans and other people in game. You're still helping people out and interacting, like how the game was intended.

Anyway sorry for the big rant On an ender, yeah the game didn't intend for multiple dragon slots or even people buying accounts in order to have more skin.. But it's now done and there needs to be a solution to it. With every skin being released, a lot of people renest or have a hard decision to make. Thats why majority of their playerbase has at least 1 alt account.

[silent steeple]

^ THIS

no matter what happens the issue is still prevalent, slots or not

people mainly want slots so they do not feel the need to have alts like everyone else is. It's unfriendly to new players ESPECIALLY in pvp, and not everyone can afford them.

[lavish perch]

It's a no for me. As much as I like the idea it invalidates the money I've spent on alt accounts, same as for others who have bought 3x as many accounts as other people have. If they would have added this back in 2020-2021 I would have been all for it, but as it stands it's just not fair to those who have spent a ton of money on alts.

The whole point for all these skins is no one is supposed to be able to have all the skins, as well as giving us a (very) large variety of colors to choose from.

[silent steeple]

Alts were never intended to be the best way to play, and all accounts will have slots, it'll literally benefit everyone. This suggestion simply helps the health of the game ESPECIALLY for people who do not enough money spend on more accounts as well as newer players. As someone with no alts, I would at least want 2 slots per species. Thats not going to be "all the skins". No one is stopping people from buying alts over and over, it wouldnt invalidate any money spent. Also, its not fair for people gaining an advantage by being able to buy more than one account, which some people cant afford.

[honest ruin]

The game is still being developed, so by making it clear, people buying the product are warned about possible changes in the long run

[teal arch]

I mean I have alts for this game and even if they add slots (like and extra 2 to 3) alts will still be used especially when it comes to skin crafting.

[signal matrix]

it would honestly give a huge advantage to the people who have a ton of alts. I heavily agree with val here had they added it way before i think it would be fine but now when there are people who have a bunch of alts myself included honestly i dont want the extra slots. It just means more growing more time spent and honestly, if i had more slots 3 or more on each of my accounts i might be able to hold all the skins and maybe still have room for more which is not the point of the game. I shouldnt be able to do that. Its unfortunate that people can not afford alts yes but its not like the devs also advertise that you should buy alts. Ive seen mods warn people about not buying them so it kind isnt an argument to say you have to have an alt. I have many friends who play with just one account and are very happy with just that one account and dont care about having just one account cuz they know that their clanmates have their back when it comes to skins and stuff like the game was intended to be.

Edit fot @silent steeple Jao said no wipe for 1.3

[silent steeple]

The alts should’ve never been such a normalized thing, but I sort of understand. It still doesn’t seem right, especially is Jao intended it to be a one account game. One account people shouldn’t be simply forgotten just because it’ll upset the games ecosystem. There’s likely going to be a dragon wipe anyhow when 1.3 releases, seeing how complex skincrafting may get. Don’t understand why it’s such a horrible idea to have 2 of the same type of dragon as a casual player.

[signal matrix]

Again its peoples choice to buy an alt, no one is forcing anyone to buy alts the game is not built to have multiple saves its not that kind of game. As for a wipe, given how against the devs are about wipes I would be very suppressed to see a wipe come through for 1.3 when they have said time and time again its something they want to actively avoid. Also there would be no point in adding in skins left and right just to kill everyone's progress with upstating when he could have just waited to implemented them all in 1.3 in one big patch. Instead he decided to give them to us when they were done to get them ready for the 1.3 update and also at the same time give us something to do. He likely has future proofed his game so he doesnt have to do a wipe unless something goes seuriously wrong. Its why we didn't see a wipe when the brood ability was implemented as the skin update will likely be similar given its also a UI based update that ties into the skins and how they work which he already has the base line for as skins are already in the game.

[silent steeple]

It’s not that it’s a choice thing, people simply can’t afford them. But alts in this game has become a serious issue with the health of the game. (I personally don’t care how many people alt, I just know the only reason why this game is as alive as it is, it’s because of people alting) It is hard for someone to keep up who doesn’t have the money or time. I personally do fine with no alts, but having ONE more skin on a dragon would be LOVELY. If this game isn’t built for multiple saves, people are just bypassing it anyways because they buy alts. People buy alts to have more than one dragon (or saves) anyways, why not make it more accessible.

[signal matrix]

Even if they chose to put them in and mad them lets say 3 slots max but made them $5 a slot to unlock them its gonna be the same argument as buying an alt. The game needs to make money in some way. Yes I agree it becoming a normalized thing is unfortunate but again the game was not built to be this way and clearly this having been an argument for many years the devs dont see this as a vision for the game either. It is a choice to buy an alt no one forces you to buy a game and yes i know money is a factor but no one is forcing you to do anything you dont want to do.

[jovial wyvern]

It has been confirmed there will be no wipe with 1.3

[silent steeple]

With the patreon, dlcs, and sales coming in regardless, trust me. They make a lot of money. I am not against the paid slots, 5 dollars is a hella lot cheaper than 15/20 per. Any argument against this is either “everyone will have the skins!!” Which in some ways they already can achieve this with alts and that nobody is forcing anyone to buy alts, when it is irrelevant. No one is forcing nobody to do anything in this situation. It just would be healthier for the game if casual users to have more than 1 dragon of the same species, even if it’s just one more. Even if it’s just in pve servers. also neat, gremlin

[signal matrix]

Its really not if you think about it though? Per slot would be $10 if you're opening 2 extra slots and if its per dragon it be way more than just buying one extra account. Plus your argument was about money saying its not fair so wouldn't it be unfair to ask them to even spend $5 a slot? So you'd theoretically be asking people who have already spent money buying alts to do it again to open said slots even if they chose to do it or not which isnt fair to those people either its lose lose at this point. It littraly can not be for just pve if its a whole coding change. A coding change would mean changes for every aspect of the game so it would mean balance changes for every part of the game. I'm not sure why people dont get that part? Its not that hard to understand that asking for an entire change to the game would change every part when it comes to core coding and saves and how they are being read by the game. In terms of PvP it would be extremely broken alts already make fights annoying and broken. Adding more would just make it even worse for the people who have dedicated clan growers who can just pump out grown dragons over and over it would be worse for solo player and smaller clans more so than it is now. There seems to be several aspects of the game people just dont want to recognize becus they just want extra slots for skins but people in PvP are not just going to sit on those skins or just going to use them as breeders they will use them to fight. You can say put a cool down but even a 10 min cool down isnt enough when they can just swap to a different class and wait out that cool down on that other dragon. Or in the case of an alt sawp entirely plus let's say the dragon doesn't die? So no cool down applied then they're instantly on a new dragon anyway so instead of a 5-10 minute of them having to swap and be out of the fight they're right back in with in maybe 2 minutes? Theres going to be work arounds to these things loop holes. Or say they make it locked to have one breeder just for breeding people would be mad if they were forced into a playtype but PvP would still fight on them so it wouldnt matter anyway. I'm not trying to be rude or anything with this post but theres a lot more to it than just "wanting slots" you also wouldn't be able to breed with yourself either unless they implemented something for that as well (I'm aware they're looking into it I'm just saying). Though even in that case it requires a second account

[silent steeple]

I thought you meant 5 dollars for one slot on each dragon, as some encomposing, and no one is forcing people with alts to buy it. And im assuming you do not know how coding works, this wouldnt require an entire rewright, unless jao himself said so. It is to better the game, lets not be so fearful of change. I do not mind slots in pve, pvp is a different story and would need balancing timers and implementations. I dont want to breed with myself, i simply just want more dragons to play with without having the need to make an entire steam account and buying the game over and over, it seems excessive even if it is the norm. This isnt the most unfathomable need.

[signal matrix]

Even if its 1 slot for every dragon thats still $30 dollers per account at full price minus any dlc. It would change how saves are read I dont get how you dont seem to get that. The game would have to be able to read and store different dragons of the same type that is a core code change. Without that other dragon first getting "deleted" in our case right now killed. That takes a lot of time and effort on jaos part it comes with pros and con's like anything put into any game. I'm not afraid of change but also I'm not going to advocate for something that would likely ruin the PvP experience more for smaller clans/solo players. Literally it already takes enough time to grow the dragons we already have in the first place. If anything the grow times should be shortened if y'all want more slots seeing as the bigger guys are gonna take 8 or so hours so doing that on more dragons even on alts is already annoying thinking about doing that on my alts x3 is even more annoying. Thinking about the fights it would cause to break out is tiring its not about fearing change its thinking about how it would actually change the game. At this point you're just making the argument to buy an alt without having to actually buy an alt which the devs never wanted anyone to do in the first place.

[silent steeple]

no, it’s to have more than one dragons per species. Because I do not want an alt like everyone else who does have them. The only reason alts exist is because there’s only one slot.

[ebon swan]

Majority of people in this thread are also saying the slots should be unlockable with a limit on them, not a payable thing. This could even be server side considering theres a lot of other things that are server side

[signal matrix]

yes people are saying that but ultimately it is the devs decision and they could decide to make it a paid thing if it ever became a thing, it was just an example i was choosing to use since money was an argument that Kaiju was using.

[vast quartz]

I think extra slots like what beasts of bermuda have would be awesome, that way people can say have multiple of one dragon instead especially if they dont like some dragons.

I have over 40 accounts now but I see the benefit of having more slots per account. Worse case scenario if I dont need all the accounts I do have I would just give them to others

(Not at all saying this because I hate bio and blitz and would love to use their spot for something I do like.)

[rotund hazel]

Black desert online starts players with free 6 slots. And the rest are paid up to 30 slots. If dod can do that then it would be awesome. But to pay for every dragon slot from the start would be tough :(

[tawny cove]

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It is something that would take a huge amount of work and would likely break current saves.

[silent steeple]

Thats a shame. Maybe when theyre more finished with the game, they can take a crack at it. (if they decide to)

[honest ruin]

If another mass restart is done (for whatever reason) that would be the right occasion to implement it 🤔

[ebon swan]

Hard agree ^

[signal matrix]

This is littrally what i have been saying the whole time aside from balancing in general.

[turbid ermine]

Yes it’d be a lot of work, but it would be absolutely worthwhile.

Because currently buying multiple copies of the game and different Steam accounts is frankly ridiculous.

[silent steeple]

^ would make the game healthier as a whole. No one should feel the need to buy alts to get anything done more efficiently