#Upstatting needs some major help

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meager pagoda
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I'm no stranger to upstatting having had a rep on us4 for being the one to go to for upstatting questions! I genuinely love it and just find nesting as a whole to be such a great part of the game, I love to help people get what they want

But to the problem at hand the current upstatting method is doing far more harm then good to the game. It's not fun nesting for hours and hours on end to try and get a 0e dragon even though both parents are 0e and come from multiple generations of 0e dragons.

This is draining, its exhausting and it is not fun in the slightest. I get wanting to make it a challenge I do but growing dragons that take nearly 3hrs to mature followed by nesting for hours to days on end trying to get a decent stat child is expecting way to much of the average player base.

I'm off work due to an injury and my highest ir is a 0e 6c after WEEKS of non stop nesting every waking hour. The argument people make that the dominant trait makes it easier is not true in the slightest, I know people who have gotten the dom trait on asd and its making hardly any difference in the nests. Bio get it and they only got ahead because of the fast growth rate nothing more, heck on my server the bio have fallen behind due to less and less people wanting to spend hours a day to make little to no progress upstatting.

Im not a stranger to grinding for things, I've played mmos for years and a fundamental flaw in this current system is the fact there is minimal reward, people are spending hours of their time and getting no where. This is not fun.

You can argue the brood watcher will change it up but we likely wont be getting her for a long time yet and we cant just assume she will fix it when we have no idea how she will work.

The biggest issue right now is recessive genes suck plain and simple, they are far more dominant then they should be popping up in every single nest constantly. Recessive genes should not be so dominant, they should be something that happens occasionally but not all the time making upstatting a complete slug to get through.

meager pagoda
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I've been nesting a 2e fs to a 2e fs for over 10hrs today with an average of 6e from the nests. Its so much fun spending my time watching a nest only for it to amount to nothing in the end.

tribal forge
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I completely agree with this, me and my partner have fully upstatted dragons from spawned dragons back in legacy, and it was actually fun to do so...in the current state, its boring, gives no satisfaction, and unmotivating.
We are seriously considering not playing anymore, untill we hear good things about it.
I think a lot of people have already stopped playing and will only join back once everyone has full A dragons, because currently it's impossible to do anything productive.
People have other things to do in their lives than playing 24/7 for months just to upstat one dragon.
And the recessive skins also means that even if you do get the stats you want, its much harder to also get the skin you want, so you need twice as many nests at least to get what you really want.

upbeat grove
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i don't wanna clog up the channel reposting or sounding like a broken record repeating stuff ^

devout berry
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The hidden skins and the grandparents skins and stats are too dominant. I love the idea of atleast skins matter, but not as dominant as they are now. It should be more rare to get the hidden and grandparents skins and more common to get the parents skins. As an example have been nesting for mela skin IR for hours and hours now with a visual mela as the parent and can count on one hand how many melas we have gotten. From a 1E bred with 2nd generation 0E's we have only gotten one 0E mela offspring from that, and we are up in probably 15+ hours at this point trying to get the 2nd 0E mela. Yesterday we nested for 6 hours straight with visual mela parent and still no 0E mela offspring. We always end up with atleast 2-4 E's in the offspring.

We never took a part of the upstating on legacy from scratch so I dont know if it is supposed to be that if you have a D it can either become a C or E when breeding, but it seems to be the case here which again means that actually be able to get to flat A is going to be an insane grind. It was really fun upstating to bl A, but to try to eliminate the E's and so on seems to be a task that will take wayy too much time and effort and its extremely demotivating, its a grind that is way too massive and time consuming to actually enjoy it.

Im glad to see that others also are reacting to this, as I've been bothered about this for days now and been trying to figure out of it was me expecting to much or an actual issue.

meager pagoda
tribal forge
meager pagoda
# devout berry The hidden skins and the grandparents skins and stats are too dominant. I love t...

We have had this issue as well, putting 2 mela parents together and maybe getting 1 mela in every 3 nests which makes absolutely no sense what so ever. I believe the issue is recessives are as dominant as the "dominant stats/skin" making everything have as much a chance to pass as each other.

generally the way it worked in legacy is if you have say a d- on one parent and the other has a d- in the same stat that will then become a flat d for the hatchy. But if they had two seperate stats you just hope that the baby inherites the better one. Now we are fighting not only that but also both parents "recessive" genes making it even worse

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Another thing to is by the time we get to 18a and have elders we will still be passing on recessive stats. Honestly this whole system should be scrapped its not fun, its not rewarding I honestly dont even understand why it was made

tribal forge
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I think I like the recessive skins part, but it should be VERY little chance of it happening, more of a surprise once every 5-10 nests.
The recessive stats though need to go

meager pagoda
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The skins part is fun if it acted like it was recessive, occasionally popping a rare skin or pattern in nests would be really fun. Just the stats one needs to go back into whatever hole it came from

tribal forge
meager pagoda
devout berry
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Im kinda expecting the devs to say it will be better with brood watcher/nurse dragons, but frankly.. I cant use my laptop for this game anymore to have my alt on at the same time as my main, Im not spending money on updating my computers for only this game, as mostly every other game works fine and if I have to also have a nurse/brood to upstat as well.. then this game is absolutely useless unless you are able to become a part of a big clan. Not everyone wants to be parts of clans or have to rely that much on other people to actually enjoy the game, but it seems to be the forced way to get anywhere and thats also a big nope for me.

meager pagoda
devout berry
meager pagoda
tribal forge
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Yep, everyone seems to be abandoning ship...the first week, everyone was always online, now people don't even bother, and when they do, they end up saying they are not motivated to do it again, and that they are disappointed

meager pagoda
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I'm kind of with them, I've always been a huge supporter of the game and giving it the benefit of the doubt, encouraging others to try and focus on the positives. But this system has been killing my love of the game

meager pagoda
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I think I quit upstatting now tbh, 4 generations of 0e dragons still making an average of 4e a nest is just.....I dont think I even have the words for it

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Its pure garbage

tribal forge
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....

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that makes no sense, but we have seen the same

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One couple from our first generation managed to make 0e babies ish ish consistantly, like 1-2 per nest, but the further we go, the more e's appear out of nowhere...

meager pagoda
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Exactly the same here, our first generation of 0e's were at most making 2e on occasion but usually 0-1e now its like we have taken a huge step backwards and I'm just exhausted with it

The worst part is when we finally get to 18a and have our nice shiny elder. They will still be throwing these awful stats

tribal forge
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It just doesnt make sense...

Yeeeep....unless they change something, which hopefully they do 🙄

meager pagoda
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I really hope so because at this stage The game is just done for a lot of people. Upstatting is usually this amazing community affair of people working together to get the dragons up

But now its like a wasteland, all the usual upstatters are just gone, this new system is difficult for no reason.

tribal forge
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Yes
It does follow what devs were saying though, that we shouldnt expect many, or any A++
I just didnt expect it to be THIS bad

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And at this point it removes all the fun

meager pagoda
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Then dont make a++ a thing, if its this thing that he wants to be rare then just dont do it. Or your punishing those few who dont have a chance in hell of getting anywhere near it

oblique dune
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It's not just about A++ it's about every single stepstone along the way

tribal forge
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Exactly x)
Its like teachers saying the max points is 20, but you can only get 15 because you are not perfect XD

oblique dune
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I think the difficulty was more a way to stretch it out over the long term and make it harder for clans to bounce back after defeat.

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meager pagoda
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But all its doing is punishing small clans who literally have no chance to ever catch up to the big clans making an even bigger gap between them and also punishing people who dont no life the game

tribal forge
oblique dune
meager pagoda
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Yet something thats hard for a clan of 50_ is borderline impossible for a clan of 15

oblique dune
tribal forge
oblique dune
oblique dune
tribal forge
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Its making a lot of people just stop...and thats sad

meager pagoda
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This reminds me of when wow used to punish the majoritiy of the players for the 1% people. It is never ever a good idea to do that

tribal forge
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Even people who invested a LOT of time AND money in the game

meager pagoda
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Ive invested probaably close to $1000aud into the game

oblique dune
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Yeah its really sad...

tribal forge
meager pagoda
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What annoys me is the breaking of a system that didnt need to be broken, nesting was fine. Out of everything he could spend time coding and working on he decided to break a perfectly working system

oblique dune
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Love the game, but hate the current state of things. This is just yet another huge glaring issue to add to the pile. I really want to know what the playtesters they had were thinking.

oblique dune
meager pagoda
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I was part of testing and we had no idea it was this bad, we hardly got to even test nesting

oblique dune
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I understand the goal they had changing it, but the execution just went over the top of what they expected if I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. Because yeah it's extremely hard.

tribal forge
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Their way of thinking just doesnt align with the majority of the community at this point I think

oblique dune
meager pagoda
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Im usually pretty good about the benifit of the doubt but this is just too much. I love upstatting to bits its one of my favorite things to do in this game but this system has killed any joy I had in it

oblique dune
meager pagoda
oblique dune
meager pagoda
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I think its mostly internal testing now :/

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What we get is basically the finished product to play with and finding odd bugs along the way.

oblique dune
meager pagoda
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Sometimes he asks us to test for specific things and we did have a whole day dedicated to nesting were we found out how difficult going up the bl was but we didnt realise how terrible the stats were

tribal forge
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Yeah that isnt something you can test in only one day...

meager pagoda
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Not really no but its never been a major focus on testing tbh

tribal forge
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I guess so
I dont understand their way of making this game tbh x)
It seems they just wanna do their vision, no matter what people think, and then maybe do some changes if that doesnt work

meager pagoda
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It's feeling like that right now and usually I try to be a "look on the brightside" sort when it comes to this game but now Im just dissapointed

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Number one rule with a lot of games is cater to the casuals, they are your core players. Keep them happy and a game thrives

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Its not that you have to make everything for them but if they cant play the game and be happy, if the hard core cant play and be happy then who is the game for?

tribal forge
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Exactly

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Yes
Most people playing should be happy.
And imo, if it is easy for hard core players, than good for them

meager pagoda
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Pretty much and if you make things near impossible for the hardcore what incentive is there for casuals to even bother

idle fractal
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As someone who use the old nesting system that got 18A+ stats with a bloodlines on medium size clan in Legacy; it was still very time comusing but also at least rewarding . It is very frustrating to heard this about nesting and saddening because old nesting would still be draining and now it sounds like it's worse and more random may require elder point and the skins are harder to get, which will is bad as some skins where prferes over others personally.

meager pagoda
idle fractal
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Plus the nurse dragon I believe can help but was also stated that an E stat vs an A stat nurse. The A stat nurse wpuld have more ability to help the nest upsat. But that was long time but even if that true or not we can even know how to upstat the nurse base in the current nesting.
Again like you said we don't even know when the nurse will be realesed. My point is if nesting been adjust for the nurse dragon to aid with nesting then the dragon should be out and ready to play.
Now that it the nurse is not ready we should have nesting system which represents what will happen with a nurse dragon now. But Also a major nesting system and more then half the game play should not depend one key dragon. And Not should half the game play be so unrewarding.

meager pagoda
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I dont personally believe a working system should be broken only to be possibly "fixed" with a dragon that will come out at an undisclosed time. Nurse dragon should make nesting easier and be an amazing addition to any clan but she should not be required to fix a system that wasnt broken.

From what little we do know about her she only affects 2 stats in a nest as well

weak summit
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only 2 stats in total? that sounds so dang useless...

meager pagoda
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Yeah honestly I was more interested in her being able to pick what colours the babies are more then anything

weak summit
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i would have loved to play that kind of nanny for icg... all the might i would hold in my hands o.o guess there isn't even a place for delusional gods of drool

idle fractal
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Only 2 stats I guess any thing is helpful eventually but that would a heck alot of grinding. Skin color is nice but in pvp its a race for the A+ or better stats. And the current nesting system is the Nurse dragon going have any use now. Plus it not released

weak summit
meager pagoda
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And again we shouldn't have to rely on a dragon to be the solution to a system that worked perfectly fine before

idle fractal
idle fractal
weak summit
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the dve server is so dead its literally only me and my mate on rn- at 1.0 drop people at least still had enough hopes to make the numbers bursting

meager pagoda
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Yeah even during peak times our dve server is so quiet it's actually depressing

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And a lot of us are old players who have been on the game for years and are used to upstatting

weak summit
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i'm in this since alpha dropped on steam, i've basically seen it all but this kind of decline took 3 years on pve us4 back then, now its mere what 2 weeks?

dark bolt
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Honestly I don’t know why they changed the nesting so drastically, it was fine in legacy but still left room for nurse to be useful in speeding up the process. Now people will have to depend on nurse to get any sort of upstatting done

meager pagoda
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Recessives are the big issue here, I'm fine with d- to d- not always resulting in a flat d that's fine. But passing Recessives stats like it's going out of fashion is the biggest issue here.

Recessive skins are fine it's fun and makes who your parents and grandparents are matter but recessive stats should never be a thing

idle fractal
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Here since alpha too. I'm going to said that legacy nesting was alright but honestly at the end of the day the nesting upstat of legacy was too easy. However the current update is definitely to extreme of a change or "fix" to the gene/nesting upstating

dark bolt
weak summit
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at least not in a game thats meant to be (like all games) destress/entertainment- this feels more like an unpaid job with no progress <.<

meager pagoda
dark bolt
meager pagoda
idle fractal
meager pagoda
dark bolt
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Most of the community are either people in school or people who work, their community isn’t going to invest weeks of their life just for something they could get in a few hard earned hours in legacy

weak summit
meager pagoda
meager pagoda
dark bolt
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If nesting is going to be a DOD staple then they need to make it work so that it’s actually decent and people will have fun doing it

weak summit
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even eating mushrooms for stats inprovements for following generations was more fun dang it -.-

meager pagoda
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You know a systems bad when we actually miss the mushroom elderingn

dark bolt
meager pagoda
idle fractal
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Yeah sadly to said this but it how I feel the game is not relaxing at all it hard to surrive and let alone nest or grow and play. Food alone is difficult and when add multiple mouth to feed with nesting it's more than chore.

weak summit
meager pagoda
dark bolt
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Nesting is supposed to be the center point for the game and if the nesting system doesn’t work for the community then people are going to be driven away from it

meager pagoda
idle fractal
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Agreed

weak summit
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if you want to get rid of the nesting focus, take nesting out in total flips table double my weight

meager pagoda
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I'm known for my crazy nesting, I would use sandboxie on two comps and bring an army of 10 dragons to help someone get what they need.

And even I'm struggling to want to continue with this system

weak summit
white wigeon
karmic spade
meager pagoda
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Adding this here

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tribal forge
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This is very very good, thanks for sharing it 😁

meager pagoda
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Youre welcome! hopefully all the feedback is listened too and upstatting changes for the better

tribal forge
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Yes, that is the sort of stuff I want to see, they at least saw some people didnt like it, now it is up to them to find the solution they want to put in place 🙂

meager pagoda
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I really hope they remove recessive stats

tribal forge
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Hopefully, its the first big issue with it

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This is the sorta thing thay makes me wanna play the game more x)

meager pagoda
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We will see who knows for one how long this will take to fix and what their solution will be. For all we know they could turn around and say this is working as intended

tribal forge
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They could, but its a first step in the right direction. Im hoping its actually taken seriously :)