New Elder System

[smoky valley]

Yes, eldering works on x2 servers

[tardy perch]

There see?

[smoky valley]

https://tenor.com/view/run-running-running-away-gif-26050950

[naive otter]

now its pinned for everyone to see! thankies

[tardy perch]

Midnight to the rescue. Now back to researching

[slender arrow]

There we have it

[cold crest]

Thank you so much Midnight

[tardy perch]

Will you beleive me from now on Rusty or was that not enough?

[steady rock]

Tbh from a critical standpoint the opinion of an "outside" should count more Than of the dev's or staff's, since a dev or someone invested ín the game Will Always praise IT more even unintentionaly, while someone with no horses ín that race Will give a subjective opinion

[tardy perch]

Except I'm like...half and half. I'm more just a player to DoD, but it's not like I've never worked with them either.

[steady rock]

True

[tardy perch]

Jao has a dang nickname for me that I hate for crying outloud lol. I've been here too long

[naive otter]

i bet its cute tho

[tardy perch]

It's dumb lol

I'm surprised you don't know it by now

[slender arrow]

So many people online troll unless it’s dev or admin confirming somthing i don’t trust it but that’s my own personal opinion

[steady rock]

Now i'm curious XD

[tardy perch]

To the nickname?

[naive otter]

surprisingly i dont remember even if i knew. im a very forgetful person when it comes to names

[tardy perch]

It's Utah

And I hate it

[steady rock]

At least it's not Ultra XD

[naive otter]

but why? its cute i totally did forget i remember you told me before!

[tardy perch]

Ultra is what everyone else TYPES because no one reads my name right lol

[naive otter]

buh i do

[tardy perch]

Even A.i messes it up

I'm not a state is why. XD

[steady rock]

You're a raptor

[naive otter]

fair but my first thought for some reason wasnt the state but the utahraptor

[tardy perch]

I will take that

I guess now I need to make a raptor persona

[steady rock]

Same

[placid anchor]

i dont see how that will contribute for elder system discover btw 😅

[tardy perch]

It won't lol. I'm on right now waiting for nightfall

[naive otter]

slight off topic cuz we were curious! now back on topic.

[tardy perch]

Since days last SO LONG

Actually has anyone timed the day and night cycles?

I've only guessimated

[naive otter]

no? but by guess. it feels like day lasts an hour while night lasts 2 it feels like

[steady rock]

Maybe Ulta Will turn into a raptor under the full moon and instantly elder

[cold crest]

We have our answer now 😊

As mentioned earlier, there's nothing wrong with asking for proof, and if someone is asking, let them know if you are able to show it or if there's restrictions.

(not aimed at anyone, just a general thing)

I hope you all have a lovely evening. Look after yourselves, and don't stress yourselves out, okay?

[naive otter]

it doesnt feel like the usual it used to be where it was supposed to be like an hr and 30 mins each? i cant remember

[cold crest]

Aww

[naive otter]

utah the utahraptor (kidding, only kidding)

[slender arrow]

Thank you for being fair

[tardy perch]

It's too repetitive, please no my eyes

[naive otter]

bad joke ik. im bad at jokes

[mint tulip]

btw need to go to a 2x growth server now since my asd got murdered by another asd

[tardy perch]

Oh right the time of day indicator in game is still always showing night...whelp

[mint tulip]

so set backs but hell wit hit

[tardy perch]

My 2x server of choice is Guardian Dragons. I'm doing my research there

[mint tulip]

pve?

[tardy perch]

It's DvE

[mint tulip]

good enough

[tardy perch]

I wouldn't dare 'research' on a PVP server, that's just asking for setbacks lol

[mint tulip]

some peeps there are more aggro then a honey badger

make wolverines seem calm and reasonable animals

[steady rock]

But isn't that how it's "intended to be played"?

[tardy perch]

We are all wolverines on the internet

[steady rock]

Please, I identify As a spam email

[naive otter]

for me it always shows morning

[mint tulip]

never does diplomacy cross their minds XD

[steady rock]

Diplomacy is for the weak jk

[tardy perch]

I'm weak then. Sad face

Oh wait it does say morning...even though the picture shows a night XD

[naive otter]

yeah its confusing

[steady rock]

Btw we should realy I mean REALY need to make a list of what people tried and ín what order so we don't repeat stuff

[languid spoke]

there was a pinned doc with that

[steady rock]

I checked that but IT wasn't updated too much

[languid spoke]

i think the updates stopped when we hit a wall

[tardy perch]

There's only so much we can do. I honestly don't think the steps are something too obscure. What I'm gonna do while eldering is just do everything. Though I'm gonna try and research more about that Star Wars game too. Jao did say something about how he kinda was basing something off the Jedi unlock right?

And a part of that process for THAT game is an NPC visiting you...so now I'm gonna see if I can find an NPC

[steady rock]

I don't think they are obscure, but without knowing when you fulfill a step the chances of bumping into the correct combination are smaller Than a zygovo hatchling

[tardy perch]

Yeah I know. Never said the process was done very well heh

[steady rock]

And even if someone does unlock it eventually if they "did everything" beforehand how do we know what triggered step 2? XD

[tardy perch]

Well if I manage to find it, Step two would have been 'kill your elder'

Or in the context of the hint he gave for step 2 "Kill that which you've become'

[naive otter]

i updated a thing i created as a single use photo for everyone to use. i can repost it. cuz i forgot to add the msg about it having nothing to do with PVP or nesting but also added the new news about it aswell

for anyone to save/share/use/edit feel free to take it as your own!

this is the updated Version! enjoy!

[hybrid wave]

Didn't Jao at one point say he'd change the eldering system if people couldn't figure it out after 2 weeks? So the 3rd step could possibly be something that doesn't take more than a day if eldering an ASD takes 2 weeks by itself?

[last minnow]

that was when 1.0.1 was gonna come out, they thought it would happen sooner but it didnt

so they are going to change it in 1.0.1 whenever that is

[round flint]

This stumps me. If the earliest you can "elder" first is minimum 24 days, how are you meant to figure it out in 2 weeks.

Expecting x2 servers to be figured out is a little iffy when majority will be on normal servers seems like very misleading info?

If what amphi says is right about after 2 weeks comment

There's no way you'd figure it out in 2 weeks, because you'd barely be half way thru eldering a dragon not everyone can even get

[wraith flame]

There was a patreon vlog from time ago saying how they planned on adding these npc in which they would have dialogue 👀

And i quote…
“In DOD, there will be 2 types of NPCs, story and combat. For the sake of simplicity, we'll call the story NPC's, NPC's, and the combat NPC's, "AI." The main difference is that Story NPCs can be talked to,.. if you meet the requirements. Some NPC's will only speak to their own kind, some will only speak to you if you've spoken to someone else first and was "sent" by that other NPC to them. Some NPC's, I guess this would be a 3rd type? may also contain AI, and either follow you or attack you after speaking to them.”
….
“In DoD Genesis, we will have some minor lore NPC's in the game, but the deep story NPC's will come in later updates. As updates come out, players will want to explore the world to find them and continue their venture into the lore of Jrakhon.”

But the vlog was posted in 2020 so who knows if they are still adding these “npc” but maybe since they will be adding AI in the future

[arctic scarab]

So yesterday i lost my elder asd, today i climb with new one adult asd to snowy mountain, 1 calling at the moon, dancing, doing anythink and nothink happens

[arctic scarab]

someone in the game saw maybe any weird rock formations or hieroglyphs ?

[pliant yoke]

we found 2 rock formations once which both looked like half of a moon

[heavy ridge]

There's AI "feral" dragons on the trello, it's a long ways out though.

They had an NPC on legacy, (and a test NPC on the scaleworks test server) there's been talk of lore NPCs in more recent dev QnAs than 2020, but it's not a priority over current optimization and content pushes.

[sharp dawn]

Honestly, I think just adjusting the mushroom system would be fine in terms of non campable.

1. increase the number of spawn point by a LOT. instead of 20 per species, let's do 200-300 spawns, spread all over the map.

2. any specie's shroom may spawn at any spawn location. Not like how fs shrooms could only spawn at ravine.

3. make it so that only a few of the total spawns are active-- eg there may be 200 spawns but only 20 have elder shrooms of assorted types (roughly equally divided between species).

4. if the spawn isn't active, no other shrooms spawn (eg green shrooms should get their own unique spawn nodes).

Sure, an individual spawn or set of spawns could still be camped. But this system kind of makes camping an inefficient method, as the likelihood of a spawn activating is extremely low just statistically. Better to actively move around searching.

Finally--

5. reduce the number of shrooms you have to collect to reach elder. Since they will be much rarer spawns and harder to predict, reduce the number needed from 60-80 to 20 or so. Eating a shroom instead of giving you a single tick of growth causes your dragon to grow continuously over the next X period of time.

[hollow quarry]

it would be cool if it was a special creature that spawned AROUND a player

[pliant yoke]

This would make the game so much better

They need to hire you @sharp dawn 😂

[sharp dawn]

Thanks lol 😆 and it doesn't have to necessarily be shrooms, it can be any macguffin they want- mushroom/crystal/stardust/sky jelly/etc

I worry about the crystals for 2 reasons. 1-- there are relatively few on the current map, and on the future Megamap I assume they'll be mostly isolated to the shimmering caverns biome, which means there will be a lot of traffic of combat dragons through the middle of biolumer's biome, which seems problematic and

2. the crystals are immobile and few, which means they are likely fairly easy to camp, control and deny to others

[hot jasper]

This is a great idea.

Also, what if the amount of mushrooms you ate controlled the speed at which you prog? And ONLY while you're online. For example, you could eat one mushroom and get 1% per hour or so (would have to be adjusted per dragon) or eat four and get 4 mushrooms and 4% per hour.

That way it would reward actually playing the game and could remove camping entirely since your eldering doesn't depend on those mushrooms.

[tardy perch]

I would put those in suggestions honestly. Devs read that channel, unlike here usually

[sharp dawn]

Just posted it as a suggestion, since a few people liked it!

[naive otter]

i have one similar also up aswell if you'd like to check it out!

[tardy perch]

Day two of exploring. It's not nighttime atm. Got my second elder tick and found a very small barely noticable location that actually has two bug spawns and water with a throne-like rock formation. Not seen this before

[sharp dawn]

I am looking for it but don't see it. Is it in the Patreon channel or the testing server?

[naive otter]

its buried by all the others

https://discord.com/channels/576933363672285186/1224424732716175360

[arctic scarab]

can u pass me the location ?

[tardy perch]

I'll have ot get back on to check. I didn't note the coords. >< All I know is it's in elder forest and at the very corner of the map.

[wraith flame]

Are the ai still on 1.0 or strictly legacy?

[heavy ridge]

Bugs are on both, friendly NPC is on legacy/UE4, NPCs/large ai aren't yet in 1.0/UE5

[wraith flame]

Ah ty!!!!

[stray notch]

yo long time since ive been here

have yall found something? new hints? anything?

[naive otter]

Not really besides the confirmation that the elder method also works on 2x servers. Since many people were not believing that. We had gotten our answer proven that it does indeed work in 2x servers

So if you play in 1.5x or 2x it does work

[naive otter]

that just arrived btw for anyone curious! was said in #general-chat actually this is all we need to know isnt it?

[rapid radish]

Oh yeah, sorry I didn't preface the pic in anyway, I just decided to try my luck 😄

[naive otter]

no worries!

[tardy perch]

OnceI finish my dailes in 2 games, I'm geting on and praying it's night!

[naive otter]

i'll add this to my image of elder notes!

[rapid radish]

It will be added to the doc at some point too 😅

I'm just thinking if the 2nd step needs to be "completed" before the 3rd step takes effect 🤔

[naive otter]

im still leaning towards kill/lose that which you've become

then after that its passive tics/sleeping at night

[rapid radish]

natural gameplay

[naive otter]

natrual gameplay/ playing as a dragon/sleeping at night

[wild shore]

Yeah I wonder how many is “extra ticks” tho and it’s still not really an active method of eldering it’s just more passive ticks without doing anything if it’s just sleeping at night

[naive otter]

i get what he was trying to do. 100% i understand

[wild shore]

Hopefully there is more to it

[proper patio]

He never wanted us to figure out... Except "natural gameplay" that's insane 😵‍💫

[naive otter]

Added new item! also if you want to add this to the docs you can @rapid radish

mainly made this for anyone who didnt want to constantly search all the important bits, and to just have it all in one spot

[rapid radish]

I love it, thank you! ^^

[naive otter]

thank you midnight much love to you

[jagged stone]

can confirm the first word of line 3 is sleep

[rapid radish]

especially since sadly rn there's no natural gameplay really, later when the updates are in, I see it working better

[naive otter]

Become that which you seek (passive elder first)
Lose that which you've become (Kill/Lose your Elder)
Sleep under the moon you'll find yourself again? (obtain extra elder tics)
is the best i got

[rapid radish]

sleep under doesn't fit tho 😅

[naive otter]

but he confirmed that the first word of the third hint is sleep

just now

so it has to be

[rapid radish]

but the nest word has 3 letters 😅

*next

[wild shore]

Sleep two moon you’ll grow yourself again is my guess

I dunno

[naive otter]

i know but it makes the most sense especially if its sleeping at night

[rapid radish]

I know I know 😅

[naive otter]

back to passive eldering my poor ASD again for murder later xD 53%

[jagged stone]

do I at least get brownie points for making a really difficult puzzle

[naive otter]

yes! brownie points for doing your best to make it realistic! you did try

[dense current]

my 68% ss is gonna hit elder after yall figure it out probably

[rapid radish]

it's impossible xD

"sleep and"?

[jagged stone]

people trying to hard to unlock what would happen naturally just by playing the game

[rapid radish]

I have 341 three letter words in English in front of me, lets do dis xD

[naive otter]

we just overthink a lot thats all.

i know im a overthinker

[dense current]

you got this iso

[wild shore]

It’s the only content in the game to find besides nesting it was bound to be sought hard over

[jagged stone]

have a great weekend all

[rapid radish]

btw, did you know there's a bug with ASD eldering points? ^^

[dense current]

you too jao <3

[naive otter]

you too! you deserve a break!

[rapid radish]

Have a great one Jao! 🙂

[naive otter]

leave us to struggle with eldering again you need to focus on yourself this weekend :3

[jagged stone]

I heard about it but have not verified it

[naive otter]

oh you mean the part where we dont gain our elder points at the % or something entirely different??

[proper patio]

A good puzzle is one that can actually be solved lol

[rapid radish]

Okay, good that you are aware of it! ^^ Many ppl in this chat have experienced it 🙂

[red musk]

you talking aobut the 25% not giving the point thingy?

[rapid radish]

Yeah, that's what I meant 😄

[naive otter]

yup seems so. happens at every point tic gain. 25% 50% and 100%

it only seems to happen on ASD itself ONLY

which i didnt even notice until today

[red musk]

i think its just the game rounding up, your actual % is like 24.999 or something

[rapid radish]

you need to wait for another tick to get the point, also at 100%

[naive otter]

yeah and it doesnt happen on any of the other species only ASD

so its like the rounding is busted on ASD

[rapid radish]

I cracked the amounts, it shouldn't be anything like that

[tardy perch]

Wasn't that reported on test?

[red musk]

you see that with the SS aswell, its probably actually just 1.25%

but it shows as 1.3

[naive otter]

might've been? donnt rememebr

[wild shore]

I had to wait another tick after 100% to be actually shown as elder on the grown stage icon thing it’s def just a little off

[dense current]

i haven't had that with my ss at 25% nor 50%

[rapid radish]

it's not a constant amount all the time, the ticks

[jagged stone]

so you don't get any points on ASD when elder ticking

[rapid radish]

according to my research at least 🙂

[cold summit]

I loved the whole "find orbs at random spawn locations in elder forest" QQ

[naive otter]

when we reach the exact part where we're supposed to so 25% point would be at like 26%

[rapid radish]

you do, but you need to wait another 12 hrs to get it, even at 100%

[jagged stone]

should get 3 at adult, 4 @ 25/50/75/100 elder

[tardy perch]

I cna verify that one had to wait another entire tick before the game considered rme a proper elder. I have no verified that ASD thing BUT...I can when I get on because I should have 4 mut points 12% into elder, and I think I only have 3

[red musk]

you get the point at 27.1% instead of 25%

[cold summit]

it put people together for a while, making teams for research

[tardy perch]

Ohhhh okay

Then what I saw is how it is lol

[jagged stone]

ok thx, so it is a math issue

[red musk]

same at 52,1 and 77.1

[tardy perch]

I'm pretty sure my elder ASD had 7 mut points by the time it was elder so I suppose it's just interesting timing

[red musk]

yea, you do get the points, just one tick later than expected

[restive barn]

yeah, overall an annoying bug(?) but not much of a big deal tbh

[naive otter]

i expected it to just be a math issue. its kinda of a funnny one ngl sometimes

[tardy perch]

Legacy let us get a mut point after first tick XD Maybe that threw us off here

[summer arch]

if first word of third line is sleep, how does the sentence make sense at all lol

[tardy perch]

It would be 'sleep (add a number here) moon(s)

[rapid radish]

Except when you hit 100% and have to wait another 12 hrs to actually hit elder 😅

[naive otter]

sleep ### moon you'll Find yourself again. whatever the ### is

find it

[restive barn]

Yes I know, but at least it isn’t game breaking bug or anything

[tardy perch]

ten moon?

What number is three letters

[naive otter]

sleep one moon?

nah doesnt make sense

[tardy perch]

One, ten...

[naive otter]

one ten, two...

[tardy perch]

That's it right?

[naive otter]

if it is a number i'd be one of the 3 lettered numbers

[tardy perch]

Cuz anything after 10 is too long

[naive otter]

yeah

so one, two, six, ten are all 3 lettered words

[tardy perch]

So it's 1 moon, 2 moon, or ten moon. One moon would work because the moon isn't with an S

Oh right...six

[rapid radish]

I'm going through my list and get funny sentences xD

[summer arch]

there is no s yea

[vital pewter]

is there a possibility that the age system is in place? elders possibly dying of old age?

[dense current]

i feel like one is the only number that would work because moon isn't plural

[rapid radish]

"Sleep bat moon and you'll find yourself again" xDDD

"Sleep dad moon" xDDDD

[tardy perch]

Getting on now and praying it's close to the start of night

[simple ore]

Am I the only one who actually likes the elder system?

[rapid radish]

we don't know the full elder system 😄

[tardy perch]

I don't mind it, buuuuut sleeping as a mechanic is boring. I'd prefer a system I can actively grind

[red musk]

has anyone timed the day/morning/night ect?

[simple ore]

Yeah, and I like that, too

[tardy perch]

If the mushrooms weren't campable, I'd like it more than this

[naive otter]

best guess is they each last about an hour or two...

[wild shore]

It’s still just passive growth if all it is, is just sleeping. I really don’t want that to be the answer and at the same time I do cuz I want it figured out already x’D but it’s not really active elder growth

[tardy perch]

Dang it, it's daytime on the server where my dragon is. But it looks like it's setting...so cross your fingers

[restive barn]

this could be hard to code but maybe the mushrooms that appear would be only visible to you, to avoid camping

[red musk]

i like the idea of having 300+ spawns and a max of 10 shrooms or so being up at any one time, or something similar to that

[tardy perch]

that's not 'hard' to code (that just makes it client-side). But the mushroom locations would need to be random and not static is the issue. Client-side or not, if someone knows a mushroom spawns in a paticular spot, they can camp it and wait for you to show up

[red musk]

the problems with real random spawns is that they will be in terrain and trees

[restive barn]

i’m not a coder 🤷 i do agree they have to be randomized

[tardy perch]

This is how they can avoid that issue. Make so many possible spots it can be at and cap how many can be active at a time, and you effectively have so many spots that an entire server of 100 people can't physically camp ALL of them

[red musk]

i really dont like client side ones, i want eldering to have a real danger of pvp

also anything client side is begging for hacking to happen

[tardy perch]

okay time to wait for night. Gonna grab something to eat

[red musk]

died on my elder recently because i was alt tabbed, gonna be trying stuff aswell this night

[tardy perch]

here is my current elder progress. My next tick isn't until 8pm my time.

[wild shore]

Hype

[tardy perch]

Sweet, it's turning night.

If only the time indicator in game wasn't always stuck at Morning

[naive otter]

right? 😭

[civic niche]

Hey guys I've been gone for a while. Did anyone ever figure out the active version of eldering?

[naive otter]

we got a few more notes! my image of all the info was pinned feel free to check it out!

[civic niche]

So, still trying to figure it out? Wow, it must be a terrible mechanic 😂

[naive otter]

no its not terrible! it was meant to be a natural thing!

[civic niche]

Lol ok..

[naive otter]

ping off! but here ya go..

[tardy perch]

It is now nighttime. It is currently 2:48pm my time.

[rapid radish]

They mean this ^^

[naive otter]

oh?

yee that one too. couldnt scroll to find it

[civic niche]

I can't wait for him to release what it was.

[slender arrow]

You already killed your elder ?

[red musk]

accident

@slender arrow
#general-chat message

[mint tulip]

owo!!!!!!!!!

We know now the trick?!?!

[red musk]

not yet

but a lot of people are testing stuff atm

[tardy perch]

Yep. A couple days ago I had a full elder ASD. Jumped off a high cliff, got to low health, then tripped over a scrab XD

[slender arrow]

lol 😂

[tardy perch]

I wasn't alive for very long either. Maybe did like a day's worth of exploring after I got it, then stayed logged off until that happened when I got on next lol

[slender arrow]

Welp time to sleep under the moon 🌕 for hours !!!!

[native yacht]

i am back and heard all our efforts of finding how to elder will be thrown away with a new system afoot.

[stray notch]

BRO I JUST SAW THIS

NO WAY THIS IS CRAZY

[stray notch]

BETTER FOR US LOOK AT CURRENT SYSTEM ITS TRASH

[tardy perch]

You are a bit late to that news Dragovah XD We've known that for weeks ot months now

[native yacht]

I just wanna thank all of you with this development and to reassure your efforts weren't a total lost. We came together as a community of gamers striving for 1 goal and we got close to it.

Thank you, truly. All of you who participated!

[stray notch]

"second step is the hardest to figutre out" well uhm i guess its eating elder bugs ☝️🤓

[tardy perch]

Nah. It's either living a certain amount of time as an elder, or losing said elder. We think it's the second one because of some wording Jao said to a player that had newly lost their elder

[stray notch]

ye i was around when that happend

wow so interactive, so realistic, i always thought dragons would relog every 12 hours , then kill themselves to sleep at night TO BE ELDERS

[native yacht]

bruh ive been trying to elder a FS passively and im not even half way and its been maybe a month. you gotta time that 12hr perfectly for those who have work to try and get it twice in one day....yeaaaa

[stray notch]

yeah thank you jao, i can bet ur watching

[native yacht]

lol lets not bash the dev. I'm sure he is trying to see what works and what doesn't. I've been there in the development process.

the good time I see is he has a poll up, hopefully something comes up in the next update

honestly looking forward to working with everyone again in figuring out the new eldering method 😄

[tardy perch]

Actually night is going on 2 hours so far lol. But yeah don't hate on the dev. He's changing it anyway so no need for that

[naive otter]

if the dragons metabolism slowed while sleeping it'd be better but i dont think it does q.q

[tardy perch]

I've had to get my dragon up twice to refill it's water and food, since I kept myself asleep up until I was taking damage from thirst being at 100%

I have no points in the Survival tree. That would help, but I don't think a dragon can stay asleep for the entire night cycle. Which is looks like timing it, night lasts 2 hours

Maybe a little more give or take. I'm judging based on when I cna see the stars i nthe sky

Gonna log off now that it's day. My alarm will go off when it's becoming night again. I have successfully slept through an entire night cycle (2 times I needed to get up to water and feed my dragon). So that's 1 moon done. No change in ticks yet. Hopefully the next nighttime will show something

[civic niche]

Only RPers sleep at night. If you actually have to sleep at night, it's a trash mechanic. I'm glad he's rethinking the system.

[tardy perch]

Got my second tick. IT's the amount I expected it to be, so no change there. Currently sleeping through a second night cycle, though I was late in getting on. Probably missed like 15 minutes of nighttime.

[red musk]

"the second step is the hardest to figure out"
could it mean that the 2nd step is the thing you need to do, and the third is simply to play for a ingame day afterwards?

"the first step unlocks the process"
"the second step is the hardest to figure out"
"play the game"

[slender arrow]

But he said the first step was the hardest before

Now the 2nd step is the hardest???

[placid anchor]

🤣🤣

[hybrid wave]

He probably meant "Hardest to do" (The 1st step) vs "Hardest to figure out" (2nd Step) unless I'm remembering the wording wrong

[tardy perch]

The wording was 'hardest to figure out'

[slender arrow]

For the first step right ?

[tardy perch]

No, the second.

I don't remember what he said abotu the first one.

[placid anchor]

So kill elder could not be a thing

😅

[slender arrow]

Yeah it can’t be kill elder cuz

That’s way to easy

[tardy perch]

Well if step 2 is indeed kill your elder...that isn't HARD to do...but it is hard on the soul XD

[slender arrow]

Yeah maybe it’s like a trick statement

Hardest cuz it’s hard to give up your elder

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-frustrated-pulling-hair-no-frustrating-gif-14800061

[placid anchor]

Hmmm I don't know, that a wierd way to do it, passive ticks... Kill your elder... Sleep. Bring me back campable shrooms 😂

[tardy perch]

Please no. The campable part of the shrooms was aweful. NON-campable shrooms would be better lol

[quaint arrow]

I'd rather prefer shrooms over this. Ive lost hope in eldering and havent touched dod in a solid 2/3 weeks because of all the stuff happening 😭

[round flint]

They could work if there was an RNG factor to it, ei, every 5 hours or so it has a chance to spawn in x cluster at y location. So it could spawn randomly every 5 hours in one of say 5 areas, and within those 5 areas, in any one of those 10 spawn spots. Every 5 hours a shroom will spawn, and only x amount of shrooms can be present in the world at all time, contiously causing a search & find, and it'd have no detectable pattern, just pure RNG within those limitations

So people are forced to move around if it's not at the anticipated location

Making the area campable sure, but not the spots, but tbh due to people claiming territories on pvp, there's always going to be "some" campy element to the game, but this can help mitigate it to an extent

BUT I'm getting off topic This'd be more useful in suggestions than here

[pliant yoke]

I even once said 'sleep one moon you'll find yourself again' as a joke 😂

[covert stag]

So i popped in to see whats happening and seen what jao said about sleeping at night. I have some advice for those trying that. Dont do it in a cave. I have tried sleeping an entire night cycle when someone thought it could have been "Avoid the Moon". I did this in a cave with 2 mushrooms. You WILL starve/dehydrate to death before a night cycle finishes. But i will login in time for the next night cycles with my re-spawned from elder SS and try again. although i have done it with this SS before. This was during my 12 hour login day.

[covert stag]

I'll just repost this screenshot incase theres anyone that doesnt believe i did do an over 12 hour session

[covert stag]

Unless its an actual number 100-999 🤣

[pliant yoke]

Maybe its not coming online for some days?

[covert stag]

But doesnt that contradict the rewarded for playing statement?

[covert stag]

I am now basking in the moonlight on a cliff on the southern edge of elder forest. Same re-spawned from elder SS that has accumulated around 30 hours login time. Elder growth 27.5. Lets see what happens.

And would you believe it. Server restart in 4 mins 🤣. Will have to try again in about 1 hr 30 mins. Server restart begins the day anew.

[red musk]

that sounds like the oposite of "play the game, play the game, play the game"

[covert stag]

Ive just had a thought. Would sleeping at night be a thing for all species? Would it not make sense for the SS to sleep during the day because as i understand its nocturnal.

[stray notch]

yes it is

[stray notch]

i mean thats my opinion, anyways you're so right thankfully he had a plan B

[stray notch]

maybe what he mant by sleep under the moon is to logout when its full moon and its in the middle of the sky, then log back in with next tick and it will be more?

[stray notch]

bro, veosk i swear- havent i told u all steps we figured out were there as a joke at first untill it was confirmed?! possibly ur joke is true step

[pliant yoke]

Yea probs

[rapid radish]

Didn't Jao say that sleeping is part of the third step and not the whole step? 🤔

He used the word involves

[pliant yoke]

Yea but just yesterday

If i remember correctly

[covert stag]

Wee update. I slept through 2 night cycles today, waking up half way (1 Hr) to eat drink. Just got Passive tick and no change.

[arctic scarab]

so we need grow an elder with ticks, kill the elder that u just grow and later when u are adult sleep at night ?

[tardy perch]

I did 2 night cycles yesterday. If I have time, my next goal is to sleep ALL of an in-game day XD

Not just at nighttime

[arctic scarab]

maybe we need to sleep at night, at the day run, eat etc.

[covert stag]

Well i am using SS which is meant to be Nocturnal? correct me if im wrong. So maybe i'll try that tomorrow after work.

[tardy perch]

If you do that maybe I'll just keep doing nights on my ASD. my goal is to try and sleep at LEAST 10 night cycles. And pray I see something sooner than that lol

[naive otter]

Only if you Have scavenger.. I do not use scavenger

[round flint]

That'd be annoying to use scavenger points if you wanna do breeding

[covert stag]

4 days after this versions release and i started eldering my FS. It finally made it to elder with this mornings tick

[naive otter]

good thing you can put your starting points into scav and the rest in social when you gain each point

or the other way around whichever you perfer

[stray notch]

what version?!

[woven isle]

So step 1: Grow to elder by ticks, Step 2: Kill your elder (do we know if u have to kill it in any specific way?), Step 3: involves sleeping and something else?

[proper patio]

Have folks who have killed off an elder tried the sleeping? I suspect we need to rethink step 2 if it's not working

[slender arrow]

We have nothing so far

[covert stag]

This version, the UE5. And on official UK server

I dont think step 2 is kill passive Elder. Although you would need to re-spawn regardless. Unless its actually 4-5 steps

[covert stag]

I have killed off ASD and SS after passive Elder. Haven t tried sleeping with ASD but i have slept 2 night cycles with SS. But because its a nocturnal dragon i may have to sleep during day, will be trying that very soon.

[small sedge]

Maybe how you kill your elder off is important? Since the third part revolves around sleeping, maybe your elder has to die in its sleep? 😂

[round flint]

Weirdly poetic, and appears to be of "natural" causes

[hybrid wave]

I killed my ASD by reaching 100% in food and water, and began sleeping right before I died, I’ll let anyone know if I notice anything

[tardy perch]

If step 3 involves sleeping to gain 'extra' ticks, then that tells me step 2 is killign the elder somehow. Because you don't get or need more ticks after hitting max elder.

[naive otter]

None of these passive elders are able to move on to the next step cuz juvie growths but. i wanted to share comparison of a 96%, a 50%, and a 10% IR progress

[proper patio]

Yes naturally, but basically, I'm saying that there may be more to step 2 than just dying. Maybe there is something you need to do as an elder before you pass on 🙂

[tardy perch]

there have been players who have gotten elder and just played the game before they lost it.

[stray notch]

actually you dont have to thik of it this way

maybe "having" the passived elder is the GATE its self, for example if u got passive elder asd thats a 1/4
now the 3 others unlocked active method, gotta sleep the moon or wtv step 3 is
if u kill that passive elder, you just ruined it

actually thats quiet a good theory, test it people PLEASE I GOT NO ELDERS ||nor im ever thinking of dealing with this method XD||

[tardy perch]

According to Jao, Step 1 is what 'unlocks the process'. So I dunno really. IT sounds like getting a nelder to full elder via passives first is the key thing here for a 'gate'.

[covert stag]

Doubt its this. Iv'e had ASD and SS Elder and currently now have an FS Elder which i'm keeping for the time being until this method has been found.

Also my IR is now 97.3%

Ive just finished a full daytime cycle sleeping, will have to wait for tomorrows ticks for any bonuses

Oh and my re-spawned ASD isnt too far away from Elder now 83.3. There has been no change to It's passive ticks and iv'e taking note of each tick from start to finish for all species

So ive decided to just go ahead and carry on with a FULL day of sleep with my SS before going to bed

[covert stag]

Unreal someone came on and killed me while i was AFK

Think i will introduce them to my FS

[covert stag]

If someone gets the chance to ask Jao a question. Ask if your re-spawn from after passive Elder dies, does the process reset?

[tardy perch]

That's a good question. Though you were doing your testing o na PVP server? That's so dangerous lol

[covert stag]

True, but I've never seen the point in playing survival games on non PVP servers. Also don't know how that's going to work in this game once the Elementals arrive🤣

[round flint]

Its like sea of thieves, I never wanna fight other ships, but it's not the same with out the fear of someone attacking you

I have an ASD that's almost elder on PVP, and I'm eldering all my other dragons, but mostly for the 25% mutation for breeding

But my ASD has 2Ds so it's expendable 🥹

[fierce violet]

Any news on the Eldering system? I’ve been MIA for like a month

[turbid storm]

The last step involves sleeping

I think that's the only new thing we've got recently

[small sedge]

Knowing that the third step is sleeping makes me so, so glad he decided to go with a different method 😩

[pliant yoke]

im glad its being changed in 1.0.1

[tardy perch]

Me too. I haven't been testing purely because it's super boring just sitting in game sleeping. I have to play something else on the side, but atm Palworld has my attention and I don't have Sandboxie for multiple steam game instances.

[pliant yoke]

isnt that also not allowed anymore? (sandboxie)

[tardy perch]

Sandboxie is fine. It's not hacking. It just lets you play more than one steam game at once

Which I COULD do, but Palworld and DoD are hungry games, I dread to think how my PC will handle both running lol

[covert stag]

https://tenor.com/view/ray-liotta-laughing-happy-lol-gif-15802525

How much you want to bet the new method is SLEEP NEXT TO CRYSTALS

[naive otter]

its still allowed, the only problem is that 1. it causes you to find no servers is the main issue
MY issue with trying it is that i cannot run two DoD's at the same time due to the heavy graphics of 1.0.1 soo im kinda screwed

many people dislike it. but others do. its a hit or miss

[covert stag]

Sandboxie works fine for me. But i do have a beefy PC

[naive otter]

main things i have to upgrade is my CPU and my 1050TI GPU

then i can run two accounts at once

[red musk]

not finding servers while running sandboxie just means you havent set the port yet

[naive otter]

I had some help with that. Now my issue is that once it attempts loading into Said server it freezes then boots me back to the menu

All settings on low too

[red musk]

thats because you arent running steam in admin mode probably

[naive otter]

And if I was?

[red musk]

if your pc is good enough you should be able to load in

[naive otter]

Cuz I attempted running in and out of admin mode. Sam issue. It's most likely my gpu at this moment

[red musk]

you should try to load in a server on one account at a time, and have the game you are loading in with selected at all times (as in focused by windows)

[small sedge]

don't jinx it

[naive otter]

Attempted that too sadly. I had loads of help with exactly all the things that you'd shared q.q

So it's more then likely my pc can't handle two versions of 1.0.

[red musk]

maybe in the next patch, once they get rid of the nanite stuff

[naive otter]

Yeah I'll attempt once 1.0.1 is out

[naive otter]

my naturally grown ASD is almost there 😭 still on the first step cuz i also do other things too

65.6% now tho

[sharp dawn]

That GPU is pretty close to minimum (960) so it probably is your problem with running 2 copies at once. The 10 series is sadly aging 😭

[naive otter]

i know it was all i could get in 2020 so i am well due an upgrade

[covert stag]

Yayy i now have an Elder IR. I have now passive Eldered all available species, minus Bio of course

[round flint]

I have minecraft going in the background, simple game easy to run allows for hours upon hours of fun 😩

I do that while growing half the time, or while waiting for my elder ticks

[round flint]

Congrats! I have a female IR who just hit 25% today, I'm tempted to also elder each dragon just to see, but I am also a main breeder for my clan so it's hard to hold onto dragons.

Im curious if eldering everything does something

I actually might just grow a dragon on as many servers as I can and elder them all actually. Easy growing times currently as most servers are dead.
We could form a small group & help each other grow if anyone's interested on eldering across multiple servers?

Can nest in ASDs for anyone who lacks the DLC as well to test.

Acid Spitters gain 2.1% per tick. (48 ticks - 24 days)
Shadow Scales Gain 1.2% per tick. (80 ticks - 40 days)
Flame Stalkers gain 0.9% per tick. (112 ticks - 56 days)
Infernal Ravagers gain 0.9% per tick. (112 ticks - 56 days)

I mean it might take us 3 months for the IR/FS but hey 🥲 science

[covert stag]

I would do that but come this Friday i wont have the time. Stellar Blade and Manor Lords come out.

[round flint]

I thirst for the grind & suffering

[sly glen]

Hello guys, sorry but there are too many messages here and i can't find to how become an elder with the new mechanics. Can someone tell me how? Thank you 🙂

[upbeat igloo]

So far, only the passive way. No one has worked out the next step for the eldering system.

[wide canopy]

Werent the steps revealed?

[upbeat igloo]

Only parts of it. Not the full

[wide canopy]

If i remember correctly regarding the current one. That one was revealed since it was being changed already.

Via steps

And the steps were not ideal so the community on it flipped out

[small sedge]

The extent of what we know is:

1. Elder passively

2. that which you have ###### (hardest step according to Jao)

3. Sleep at night for extra growth ticks

for step 3 he phrased it with "involves" so there could very likely be more to that step than just sleeping

[upbeat igloo]

Well, there ya go. I haven't kept up with it myself so I was just spit ballin what I knew.

[naive otter]

There's also a photo with all the details about the new mechanic pinned here

All the tips and tricks we need

[vestal gull]

i was so right
elder tic
die
elder tic slightly faster

[round flint]

Is it slightly faster though? Someone said they were on for 14 hours straight and saw no difference

[gilded jewel]

well maybe they died on their elder wrong

[round flint]

Gotta grow my elder & claim big rock on MM from anbu 😩

Let my elder die in glory for science

[turbid storm]

I feel that dying might not actually be the 2nd step, seeing as it's allegedly hard to figure out; dying seems almost too easy and obvious. Unless one has to die in a certain way that makes it difficult, in which case I have no idea what it could be that isn't PvP or nesting related

[round flint]

I agree with the earlier point though, it'd make sense, because you have no use for further growth once you're full elder, unless you need to "hold" an elder to grow another elder.

So why sleep as an elder to get elder ticks if you're already an elder.

[turbid storm]

Assuming eldering is only unlocked per species, which I don't think jao has mentioned

[round flint]

Mmmmh, well, I'll hold off on killing my elder for a bit then and experiment with my other dragons while I have it

[turbid storm]

I think there's something you have to do with an existing elder to get to the 3rd step, gaining extra ticks on an adult

But who knows

I've been trying to think of other 4 letter verbs that might fit into the riddle xD

Something not easy to do

[gilded jewel]

maybe you need to sleep next to an elder

[gilded jewel]

if you're supposed to unlock it by gameplay, then on pve you gotta go afk and forget about your dragon, that's the only way I've seen them die

[turbid storm]

If it's meant to soloable as Jao says then I don't think it would involve sleeping near another person

[rapid belfry]

I still think you have to starve

[gilded jewel]

spawn menu without waiting the timer and sleep next to yourself to drain the elder power

[rapid belfry]

Nah

[turbid storm]

Gonna go out on a limb here and say it's to do with healing, "Heal that which you have saved" or something. E.g. get to very low health one way or another and heal up to full

[devout anvil]

kinda wish he’d just tell us since he’s changing it anyway

Saved is too short

Heal that which you have broken?

[turbid storm]

Something along those lines

[devout anvil]

Too bad bone break isn’t a thing lmao

[turbid storm]

I just yeeted my elder asd off a cliff to about 1% health and healed to full so I'll see if that does anything xD

[devout anvil]

Then sleep at night LOL

[turbid storm]

Also tried getting to full toxin from eating those mushrooms

[devout anvil]

i dunno how to feel about the third step

Seems kinda

boring

[turbid storm]

Trying some things on an adult aswell

[red musk]

The eldering process would probably be boring

It's something he expects us just to do by default

[devout anvil]

i wish it was more

I dunno

Interactive?

[red musk]

It will be next patch

[devout anvil]

Not just sitting in place for days?

I know that

But i’m concerned how he’s gonna go about it ngl

I talked about it last time i was here (like a week ago LOOL) and was giving concerns about how campable the new method might be

[turbid storm]

Well, it hasn't just naturally happened so clearly just playing the game isn't enough xD

[red musk]

Less than shrooms somehow, but more than the current way

[devout anvil]

they’re gonna be crystals this time </3

just kinda worried cause

After spending hours exploring every inch of the map, i only found like 3 places with crystals

[red musk]

I find it kinda funny it will be crystals after seeing this channel go crazy about them early on

[devout anvil]

Ngl

They could do something similar with shroomies

or

Crystal shrooms

I’m calling them that

but uh

[red musk]

Eat the crystals like spyro xd

[turbid storm]

I don't ever want to see another blue shroom in my life

[devout anvil]

Maybe EF could be a crystal zone, and the crystals have randomized spawns (literally just shrooms but better/what everyone else has been saying)

[red musk]

It's probably something he expects players to do, but in reality something we aren't doing

[devout anvil]

would give players incentive to actually leave BR

[devout anvil]

Cause it’s vague as hell </3

[turbid storm]

There's only so much we can do, we're literally out of options

Nesting and PvP are like the only things we've got going for us, and apparently it has nothing to do with either of those xD

I'm at a loss here

[red musk]

Have you died while 5calling the moon on the 2nd night of ingame time? What if that is what you have to do?!

[turbid storm]

How would you ever know when the 2nd night is?!

[red musk]

After eating one of each colored extra size bug ofc

[devout anvil]

did i tell you guys the time i tried to touch the aurora borealis

[turbid storm]

[devout anvil]

i touched the sky box instead and was sent back down to the ground like a meteor LOL

[gilded jewel]

2nd night time after reset maybe xd

[red musk]

My point is, we will never truly have tried everything

[devout anvil]

i mean

There’s only so much you can do in this game

i’m pretty sure we have done everything, just not in the “right steps”

[red musk]

Yea, to me there is only nesting and pvp to do in this game and both of those are ruled out already

The only 2 other aspects I can think of is exploration and survival

[devout anvil]

gotta remember pve too

fighting is completely ruled out

[red musk]

Yea, pve only got nesting

The one thing I enjoyed doing in this game is to grind elders, and that's super boring to do atm

[devout anvil]

i feel like eldering should be determined on what mutation points you have

[red musk]

That would be a great system imo

[devout anvil]

So if you have all 3 points in agility, flying a ton would gradually get you more elder ticks

All 3 in nesting? Crap out 100 kids and boom more elder for you

[red musk]

Anything that isn't playing the game max 5min per accounnt 2 times a day

[devout anvil]

eat 5 billion scrabs with scavenger

LOL

[devout anvil]

No fr, i haven’t been on the game in over a month because of this

[red musk]

I just get on to get ticks but I'm getting burned out xd

If anything we will get release from this hell whenever he releases the next patch, I just hope he tells us early enough for us to test

Someone can maybe hold back the update on their PC somehow and try it out on a private server

[turbid storm]

A clue on the first word of the 2nd line of the riddle would be appreciated

Just wanna know if it does indeed have something to do with dying for certain

[small sedge]

This is my feeling on it too 😂 Glad it's changing because two of the current steps are boring as heck right now.
PvE, really all there is to do is sit around 90% of the time and then waddle around for food/water the other 10% of the time. Nothing changes with nesting either because that's more sitting around and waiting.
You can't nest in / try to upstat if you're trying to passive tick your way through step 1, so it's literally just a forced idle timer that's 24+ days long. Wouldn't be NEARLY as painful if there were things to do in-game, but there are no quests or missions to do. You can't even explore very far because of the lack of food spawns.
Step 3 is even more painful because at least during your month+ long idle simulator you could TALK. Step 3 really just encourages you tabbing out of the game because you can literally do nothing
Reeeally hoping for an actual active method for the next iteration

[round flint]

It also doesn't work with the moon riddle if you're an SS

At this point I'm scrolling through the lore stuff on how to "play the game"

[steady rock]

Omg I didn't even realize that you can't talk while sleeping now... that's horrible

[red musk]

you can talk in local

[steady rock]

Isn't that a bug also?

[red musk]

maybe, i dunno

i hope its intended, as not talking while sleeping is quite horrible Xd

[tardy perch]

At this point I think I'm either missing something about step 2 or 3 still. Sicne he used the word 'involves', step 3 probably has more to it before the sleeping to claim points part

[spare grail]

There are 4 places with crystals.

[devout anvil]

Yeah, forgot the spot under the big tree lol

mb

still kind of alarming though

hopefully he adds more crystal spots x)

[spare grail]

It also seems to me that flying glitter will be important. There are 4 places where they fly.

[devout anvil]

I think they're just there for ambience tbh

they still look really pretty regardless though

[spare grail]

The 4th place with glitter is hidden in a small cave. This cave is not visible from a height. And there's nothing there but glitter. I think it's for a reason.

[devout anvil]

Ehhh, I've also seen it in a dip in the earth near a rock with just regular shroom spawns n'things around

[spare grail]

I didn't know about such a place... Do you have the coordinates?

[devout anvil]

Sadly not, I haven't launched DOD in a while, but it's in river forest

I could probably find it again

gimme like 15-20

ahh nvm, i must've misremembered it having the particle effects

I still believe they're just ambience though

[spare grail]

Ok. I'll look for it.

[spare grail]

Then there would be no need to hide it. Let's wait. Maybe one day it will be known for sure. what is it. For beauty or for something more.

[devout anvil]

i'm pretty sure it's just ambience,,,,

they're not hidden either

they're at map hotspots that the devs and staff know are map hotspots

[spare grail]

On sakura island, 1 tree with its own glow is shrouded in glitter the most.

[devout anvil]

that's likely where the ambience is originating from

there's gonna be nothing on the map currently pointing to elder stuff

there likely will be after 1.0.1

[spare grail]

OK. Then we are waiting 🙂

[proper patio]

Well to be fair, the entire discord is a cesspool of free ideas, this chat especially 🙂 I wouldn't be surprised if ideas were pulled from the community

[proper patio]

Firefly cave? 378 S x 58 W
I agree that it has the appearance that something about it matters. For a little while (maybe a month ago at this point) I tried sleeping in these kinds of places, makes me wonder if I was on the right track somehow lol

[spare grail]

Yes. 378 S x 58 W
I also think the same way

[red musk]

the real tinfoilhat moment would be to say that was the plan from the beginning 👀

[floral bluff]

My tired brain just filled in the blanks for #2: "Sacrifice that which you've become"

It allllmost makes sense

If your brain is tired

Oh wait unless the # represent each letter of the word, in that case nevermind

Alright I'll stop, time for the bed

......Unless the first word is "kill".... Instead of sacrifice

[red musk]

"kill that which you've become" was the first solution people went with, but it now seems that was probably not correct since this 2nd step is supposed to be difficult to figure out and dying seems fairly easy to figure out and many have already tried it

[floral bluff]

True, I just now went up there and saw all the others at that time doing that 😂

Funny how our default guess is murder— anyway, interesting stuff...

Have you personally tried it?

[red musk]

not by choice, but yes

[floral bluff]

Ahhh, interesting (and also ouch)

[red musk]

dont alt tab when you are on your elder 😂

[floral bluff]

🤣 Rest in peace

But hey, it was a sacrifice for science

[red musk]

yea, i tried a few sleeping related ideas but none seemed to do anything

aparently its supposed to be something we do just by playing the game normally, but its something that cant be camped (not location based), its not pvp related and its not nesting related, so to me that rules out literally every aspect of the game except the survival aspect itself

[floral bluff]

Huh... yeah... 🤔

I need to be sleeping but I can't get the puzzle out of my head now, lol.

[hollow quarry]

My statement still stands, if he's changing the eldering system soon(tm) he might as well tell us all of the current system instead of delaying it like everything else in this game.

[red musk]

#general-chat message

[hollow quarry]

Kind dumb, but whateves

[red musk]

yea, since he is gonna tell, whats the harm in telling it now?

a few people get a few extra %points? its taking weeks\month's to do now 😂

would maybe be more fun to just keep getting hints all the way til release of the next patch, one letter per week or something like that

[hybrid wave]

idk if I said anything yet, but for the second step, I starved my elder ASD while sleeping (getting 100% in hunger and thirst) then tried growing a new ASD without having a hunger/thirst icon pop up. IDK if it did anything and I don’t have time to do testing anymore bc I got a new full-time job lol, but maybe one of you will if you want to try that idea.

[devout anvil]

i don’t think that’s it tbh

[devout anvil]

Tbh i’m not sure who’s out here sleeping at night as their dragon

[red musk]

RPers?

[devout anvil]

if anything, flying at night would be cooler

not a lotta rpers tbh

at least not anymore rn

thank you 1.0 performance <\3

[covert stag]

Soooo still not solved. Read a wee bit of past posts. Playing the game does nothing by the way. I played for over 12 hours straight, I've slept multiple nights and days and nothing happened. No improvement to Elder ticks. Anyhoo have fun, just popped in to see if there was any progress.

[tardy perch]

I've given up too. I'm just gonna wait until update to see what changes. I didn't like this method so far anyway. At least not the part where I had ot slee pto gain ticks.

[naive otter]

so people have starved or dehydrated to death, and people have accidently or purposefully died to bugs. has anyone tried to die from toxin from the mushrooms out of curiousity.

[turbid storm]

I didn't die, but I filled myself with shroom toxins that my health started dropping and slept it off

Don't think it did anything though

[naive otter]

I am trying to think of things that can make us Lose our Elders that isnt related to PVP or Nesting after the 1st step. if we're still leaning towards the 2nd step meaning Lose what you've become. the only things i can think of is hunger, thirst, or toxins from shrooms.

since my ASD is close to reaching that step. i need something to test

could try sleeping til i starve or dehydrate my derg. but i think that's been done

[slender arrow]

Like I said it’s all lie lol 😂 the only mechanic to eldering is passive and his gonna tell us on update day what it is which will have no time to test and boom

I wish he went back to mushrooms 🍄 and made them spawn like randomly everywhere around the map

[wide canopy]

I do not like shrooms but this.. this is acceptable I would like to see a elder shroom spawn 2feet outside the border.....

[slender arrow]

Hey at least it’s in active way if eldering vs looking in every 12 hours getting your tick and logging out maybe people would actually play the game

[wide canopy]

Active yet it becomes ALOT harder to survive as dragons would scout spawns 10x more than they do. Good concept, but not perfect.

[steady rock]

If the spawns were totaly random there wouldn't be a place to camp

[red musk]

I think getting people to fly all around the map all the time would be good actually, eldering should be something to fight over.

[hollow quarry]

But wasn't there already an active system 🤔

[slender arrow]

Yeah like I said dudes lying

[languid spoke]

Unless you have solid proof that anyone lied you really shouldn't make accusations.

[small sedge]

Jao did say the steps were so we could actively elder.

idk about you, but I don't consider ticks (passive) or sleeping (passive) to be actively eldering 😬 Maybe just an unintentionally bad use of wording on his part if he meant the code is active in the game, but whether that's what he meant or not it's super misleading.

[steady rock]

maaaaaaaybe with a big IF the nightly ticks are just bonuses for the active step 2?

[languid spoke]

i don't know what the steps are or how they work. what i do know is that accusing someone of doing something like lying without irrefutable proof isn't helping anyone in here

[small sedge]

I mean... at least 2/3 of the current system is passive, not active

😂

I'm not saying there's not a system in place period, but it's absolutely not an active system like we were told it was

[languid spoke]

as i don't know what Jao's thinking so i can't say for sure on this, but in my mind "active" system could also be applied to "actively playing" the game depending on how you view it. is that what he meant? i don't know, i failed mind reading 101, twice. BUT, what i DO know, is that he hasn't lied to us.

[small sedge]

I'm not sure if you're trying to make a joke or not, as a ND I don't read tone well, but your comment with the mind-reading comes across as snarky or passive-aggressive. I'm allowed to be unhappy that we were told there were steps to actively elder when the majority of those steps are wait and wait more.

[red musk]

well, every mechanic in this game atm is wait, and wait more

[steady rock]

i mean i wouldn't call leaving your dragon to sleep and alt tab out of the game "active", unless the measuremnt of active is having the game open XD

[languid spoke]

my mind reading comment is a joke, implying that i can't read minds so i have no way of knowing what someone is thinking. no one said you couldn't be unhappy. what i did was explain my point of view. no one has to agree with it

what's ND?

[steady rock]

neuro divergent

[languid spoke]

ah

to be fair, reading tone via text is not always easy anyway

[small sedge]

But yeah, sleeping as an "active" method doesn't check out for me 😬 No matter how anyone wants to phrase it. If a doctor says to me "you need to be more active," I can argue til I'm blue in the face that I actively chose to crawl into bed and sleep an extra 2 hours more each day, but no matter how I pitch it we all know that's wrong 😂

[languid spoke]

in all technicality, your dragon sleeping (for any length of time) would be considered as part of active game play because it is needed for different reasons already (stamina regeneration, healing). i very highly doubt he expects anyone to sleep and tab out and just afk. but again, we don't know every single step or how they work. so there is no way to say for sure. doesn't mean he lied. that's my point. there is zero proof to be shown of him lying.

[small sedge]

At the very least he has directly contradicted himself We were told there was a system to actively elder. Now we're told the system will be changing back to an active system. You can't change back to an active system if your current system is also active. Again, maybe he misspoke before or unintentionally used incorrect terms. But we were given incorrect information.

[quaint arrow]

Active gameplay is engaging in the game and actively doing multiple things to keep you in that said game, like shrooming. You are ACTIVELY searching, flying around, eating, and competing against other players to try and get a shroom before they do. You cant just leave your computer and expect to get active ticks by doing nothing. Sleeping is not active gameplay.

In short, if you can move away from the computer and still keep progressing, that is not active gameplay. It is passive, because you are essentially doing nothing

[devout anvil]

The second step is what everyone’s stuck on cause of how vague Jao’s still being

Jeez

Also

Not sure why everyone’s convinced step 2 involves dying

it definitely doesn’t

[white osprey]

things you do normally in the game

1. kill bugs
2. eat mushrooms
3. kill players
4. use emotes/sitting/sleeping
5. nesting
6. growing
7. flying
8. using breath attacks
9. biting
10. walking/running
11. drinking

thats all i got

[white osprey]

meant to @ this

[quaint arrow]

And jao even said that it isnt something campable, so it couldnt be bugs or mushrooms
Adding to this, it also isnt nestable and isnt pvp related.

That takes out a solid chunk, and only leaves us with

Use emotes/sitting/sleeping
Growing
Flying
Using breath attacks
Biting
Walking/running
(Im not including drinking because it is still technically campable)

I'm still not convinced that the active elder system is even in the game 😭

[slender arrow]

We all did that and nothing has happened heck for the sake of science someone played for 12 hours straight and nothing soooooooo yeah 👍

[languid spoke]

still doesn't make him a liar

[slender arrow]

Your right his never lied to us before why would he. Know right

[quaint arrow]

We dont know if it is a lie or not.
However, with the things that we have been constantly trying to do and still nothing to prove that what we have been doing is even worth while, it is hard to back up a claim that there is an elder method beyond just passive eldering since the method we got was basically passive grow for a month, kill your dragon, somehow gain elder again. It's difficult to support the claim of there being a good way to elder when unlocking it takes a month+ and with the update going well into the second month, people are losing hope.

Basically what im trying to say is that it is easy for people to think there isnt a way to elder (besides passive) if everything we have tried isnt working

[small sedge]

I also keep thinking about how ~2 weeks post-1.0 he told patreon chat he was considering changing the method because nobody had figured it out
Like what timeline does that fit with?? How was he expecting people to figure out this system in 2 weeks when reaching elder with ticks takes 12 days even on a 2x server IF you don't miss any logins?

He also seems to have a skewed idea of what "normal" gameplay is, you really only have to sleep to safelog, otherwise it's possible to play without touching the feature whatsoever. Let alone sleeping for a big solid chunk of time 😩 With not being able to interact with anything (barring local chat, which is either a bug or another interesting choice), idk who would just.... sleep for 10+ minutes or however long as part of rousing gameplay or w/e

[steady rock]

The only Other Time must sleep is if you got toxin,

[proper patio]

Idk if it's a bug but I hardly ever sleep off toxins anyway because it just wares off after a bit with hardly causing any damage. I don't think he plays his own game

[slender arrow]

Thanks this what I been trying to say but the stuff I say comes cross as mean lol 😂

[red musk]

40k messages and no solution

[slender arrow]

20k of those messages are us fighting lol 😂

[red musk]

the only thing we ever achieved was this beauty

[worthy python]

This game is stinky 😔

[normal creek]

Why so?

[worthy python]

Just everything about it

Only thing I truly likr about thr game is their flight system and somewhat there character designs

[normal creek]

Do you like breeding or fighting?

You don’t like none of em?

[normal creek]

Hm?

[worthy python]

I like fighting, but even then

Hit boxes are still somewhat bad, devs, content, map, all that stuff is just eh

[normal creek]

What server you play on?

[wide canopy]

probably best not to complain or youre gonna get the famous channel locked..

[slender arrow]

More like banned lol 😂

[worthy python]

There a like sensitive but it'd ok

[small sedge]

Threads unfortunately get locked if they go on tangents / off topic, so best to keep stuff in here related to eldering

[worthy python]

I just wish they would fully release the eldering process even tho it's probably gonna get changed, people spent hours looking and in my opinion, I don't play the game as much bc there's barely anything to do other than fights

Eldering was my passion just to grow

[small sedge]

Yeah 😩 With as much of it locked behind massive wait times as it is, it's not really like people can speedrun eldering anyhow. Even if they could, the genetics system throws a whole lotta RNG into nesting so massive upstatting can't happen in small timeframes even with the extra elder perk. I don't see the benefit of waiting to announce what it was vs releasing it now, especially when an added benefit of releasing now is that people could then prove it and make skeptics eat their words 😂

[quaint arrow]

I feel like they should just tell us the elder progress if it's gonna get changed. If you're worried it's going to be hard then dont take us on a wild goose chase. But I guess that's my opinion 😭

[worthy python]

I just hope it will be an actually system and not just waiting for ticks, as well anyone can do and not campable

Bc honestly I'd rather shroom than wait, I hate waiting 😭

[hollow quarry]

Tbf, do we have solid proof hes telling the truth? No one has figured out the 2nd step and the 1.0 updates been out for almost 3 months. I get not wanting Elder to be common, but on PvP servers, Elders are not as common as you think.

[fast geyser]

i dont know if anyone is still trying to figure something out about the elder system but i had an idea which it could be so my guess is the first step ist to have an elder (maybe it also works if this is someone elses elder) and in the second step the elder has to die and the 3 step then would be to eat the corpse and sleep in the moonlight (or atleast nighttime) after to get a boost in growing to elder stage

[small sedge]

It's a neat idea and would normally make sense to try it, but Jao's specified that this method is able to be done solo. Even if you kill your own elder and respawn, there's a risk you'll end up spawned out in the boonies and the elder corpse would be long gone by the time your little legs would make the trip 💀

[steady rock]

I already pitched this idea (except the sleeping part), someone tried IT and nothing

[fast geyser]

i mean you could log your asd at a place and then kill your ss elder there switch to asd and eat if as asd

[fast geyser]

damn but i still wonder what the 3 letter word after sleep are suposed to mean since i cant think of anything that would make sense in that context between sleep and moon

[red musk]

The only one I have seen that makes sense is the word one

[pliant violet]

Gonna be a new system for eldering anyway, no point in updating the thread on anything.

[mint tulip]

yep most people gave up

[pliant yoke]

Not surprised tho

[white osprey]

Imo it was dumb that it was secret

[slender arrow]

The secret was that it was ONLY passive elder we all fail for it lol 😂

[naive otter]

i know lots of people have either stopped trying or gave up due to the difficulty of this challenge to find elder but pinned comments are still there including an image of all the important parts of what is and isnt part of eldering method

[slender arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-spider-man-are-you-serious-j-jonah-jameson-lol-gif-17286336

[naive otter]

go ahead and laugh, that's okay if it helps you get out the anger. who wouldn't?

[slender arrow]

Lmfao 🤣 too good 👍

Every time I troll someone I’m just angry lmfao 🤣

[naive otter]

i mean troll all you like to me. it wont affect me in either way 🤣

i just want to keep the subject on track here so dont get angry if i dont reply to you

[slender arrow]

Bro you good lol why do you keep saying I’m angry lol 😂

[naive otter]

cuz im sleepy and you know how texting is sometimes, we cant tell your emotions through a text 🤣 so my only assumption was anger which is typical of the chat atm due to the high stress of how difficult eldering is, which is completely understandable and will never agrue with someone about it as they have their rights to their own opinions. just because im wrong about you being angry, doesnt mean i meant it rudly at all. apologizes

[slender arrow]

@summer arch @placid anchor come have a laugh with me lmfao 🤣

[slender arrow]

You notice I haven’t been on here for days lol 😂

[naive otter]

and im going to be moving on, i havent been here either and i only come around to remind people about the pinned messages.. im not going to go off course here and talk about something else. Eldering chat only

[summer arch]

HAHAHA

good one

[weary quiver]

Oh that was cringey.
Anyway…Thank you scarlett for the reminder, youre amazing

[slender arrow]

Bruh lmfao 🤣

Apparently you can’t say the G word here G word as in the big man upstairs

[weary quiver]

Yea I forget that all the time

[summer arch]

the g word lmao

[pliant yoke]

The g word with 3 letters?

[slender arrow]

You can say omg but you can’t spell it bruh

That’s wild

[pliant yoke]

Why wouldnt we be allowed to say that word??

[slender arrow]

Idk it flag me for it

[pliant yoke]

Im so confused now😂

Theres no reason for it to not be allowed to say, i get why the N word isn't allowed etc, but the G word??! Thats so absurd

Ive never even thought of a server that doesnt allow the G word

[slender arrow]

Yeah it’s funny 🤣 we can say OMG but can’t spell it lmfao 🤣

[pliant yoke]

Its so absurd, its just a normal word

[frozen matrix]

Do you think that because the ASD is the only one that can swim, the eldering system for them could be under water somewhere?

[slender arrow]

That was one of the first things we tried

[frozen matrix]

Ohh

[frozen matrix]

Okay thanks for informing me

[teal zenith]

so what’s w the elder systems now someone fill me in xD

i’ve missed a long

month

[quaint arrow]

Still nothin lol

[tired spruce]

Wow, who would have thought

[lime viper]

[somber rover]

So we were right for day one it was all just a wild goose chase?

[red musk]

Unless its said by a dev it don't really matter, the quality of the answers in the #ask-questions channel has been lacking aswell, often giving incomplete answers or misunderstanding the questions asked. So I wouldn't fully trust that answer. Jeo has said he will reveal how the "active" eldering works the day 1.0.1 gets released.

[slender arrow]

They day it gets release there for we won’t have time to test it and see if it’s true or not .

Also if his gonna release it the day of the update what’s the harm in just telling us now or like a week before the release? It’s not like people will spam grow to elder . Since the first step. Requires you. You passive elder first ? That’s the part I don’t understand

[red musk]

I fully agree with you, maybe there is a way to prevent the update from being downloaded. Then private servers can test it

[hollow quarry]

He said he's changing the active elder system. So why not tell us THE CURRENT "Active eldering."

I'm sorry but the more I look and think about this. The more I believe is a load of shi. He might as well tell us the current active system since he's planning to change it.

[red musk]

it honestly might be a sign that 1.0.1 is still very far off

[quaint arrow]

It already has been. We were supposed to get 1.0.1 1-2 weeks after the initial 1.0

[rapid belfry]

yeahhhhhhhh

[echo pagoda]

So we still don't know how to 'actively' elder?

[slender arrow]

Nope

[native yacht]

funny you said that last part

[hollow quarry]

:shrug: it doesn't exist and I'll stand by that.

[echo pagoda]

The lack of hints or feedback by the devs does seem to indicate that there's no system to drop clues for.

[quaint arrow]

And then we're not able to ping devs for help because they are "not actively in chat" :/ we got questions about the game and need help figuring stuff out. And since it is taking over 3 months to figure out then it needs to be addressed

I would have been fine with keeping shrooms in the game till the new active system came out, honestly.

[slender arrow]

His gonna tell us on day the update comes out which will cover him ( look guys eldering ) we won’t be able to test it or nothing so it is what it is

[quaint arrow]

Im still convinced there is no eldering except passive 😭

[native yacht]

Well apparently there was no eldering aside from passive. But I'm waiting for a full confirmation so don't lose hope or start hating. But that would be pretty upsetting considering a large group of people wasted their time researching, searching, etc....

[slender arrow]

How will we know his confirmation is true if his gonna tell us the day of the update ?

[quaint arrow]

Try as many things as possible (which im sure we have) and then if he says sumn we tried, then I guess we know that's a lie?

[somber rover]

I mean we have tried just about everything when it comes to it this game is pretty bare bones still so we will know real quick if its a lie or not probably

We have done just about everything we can think of to the box 🥲

[stray notch]

yo long time no see my eldering journey mates

idk if yall had any progress, but i had some random idea after ignoring eldering for weeks

so i just thought of the saying that goes "many moons ago"

which means months, we all know a moon takes a month to complete its phases

and here in arabic regions we use moon and ig just like chinese

and guess what chinese culture is too dragony

sooo imagine if its related to some long term eldering AGAIN so u gotta passive elder and then.... sleep a whole moon lol (month)

or anything related

dont take this theory as its what im saying about "many moons ago" it was random, but this saying must be related, i wanna know what yall think of it, maybe its the solve of this puzzle

[red musk]

sleep ### moon you'll #### yourself again

Ppl currently believe the 3 letter word is "one"

[stray notch]

well if we take this saying into account it might not mean a night, one moon would mean a month

[red musk]

Sleep a month does not sound like "play dod, play dod, play dod"
#patreons-palace message <- patreon chat post I'm refering to

[lime viper]

You could argue if the 1. step (passive eldering) is really "Play DoD" since every person I know who is passive ticking is actually not playing because of the ticks xD

[red musk]

True, I think most would agree with logging in just 2minuttes 2 times a day isnt really playing the game. I don't see how sleep a month could be the answer tho

[steady rock]

Didn't Jao confirm that sleeping during the night would give extra ticks AFTER you did step 2 to unlock the "active" method? Só it's a given, we're just missing step 2

[red musk]

if he did i have missed it, i know the community thought that was the case since he said the 2nd step is the most difficult to figure out

[steady rock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/926921391230562354/1233043605166362624/image-14.png?ex=6649fb58&is=6648a9d8&hm=5d2e11be7b837688bd670f30a31bc9f2de110e47430a38129361ac44c5fc5cbb& not my screenshot snagged it from a conversation earlier

[red musk]

i remember that post now, we dont know if step 2 is a unlock or some kind if action you have to redo. to me it makes sense that you would have to do it once per extra elder tick you received at night

[slender arrow]

If killing your elder then growing back to adult is step 2 then sleeping at night to get extra ticks is the way then it’s not working cuz I spend 4 hours the whole night cycle sleeping and I didn’t get anything

[red musk]

that 2nd step does not sound like it would be hard to figure out

[slender arrow]

And yet we still can’t lol 😂

[red musk]

ye, its really sad. i really enjoyed eldering in legacy. right now i havent even logged in to get my ticks for over a week its just too draining to keep up

[royal sundial]

Is the second step maybe sleeping as elder till you die?

[naive otter]

95% sure someone has attempted that

[royal sundial]

Is there even something left that hasn't been done?

[naive otter]

more than likely. just have to keep trying

most have given up since the 1.0.1 patch will be changing it but you still got plenty of time before it happens. i dont know when it'll come but we got the time to figure it out before it does

[royal sundial]

True it's probably gonna take a while

I'm just gonna continue growing my elder to help

[steady rock]

I don't think it's because the 1.0.1 change, people just gave up because they tried everything they could

[restive barn]

^^ this. everyone did everything they could, gatekeeping a core mechanic of the game was a bad idea anyway.

[stray notch]

lol this is funny is he aware this method is much worse than mushrooms
is he aware he been giving hope for much better system? this system isnt bad.... its funny in a horrible way

[stray notch]

step 2 is kill the elder

[red musk]

that is not confirmed in any way

[stray notch]

yeah sorry i didnt meant its confirmed i meant thats what i think

[red musk]

people currently seem to think that is wrong because of jeo saying that the 2nd step is the hardest to figure out, and many think dying on your elder to be able to elder faster the next time is too easy to guess

it was pretty much the first theory i thought of once the hints started dropping

[steady rock]

I think someone already tried IT and IT didn't work

[red musk]

could be that you would have to die a specific way, now that would make it hard to figure out Xd

imagine if... the game remembered where you died on your elder and you would have to visit that place and spend time there for a night to gain elder progress

[steady rock]

Wouldn't that mak IT campable? Since people couldn know where you died

[red musk]

true, i just tested it anyway

i really think step 1 is a unlock, step 2 is a repeatable step and step 3 is something you need to do after step 2 every time. and probably has something to do with survival and/or exploration since thats the ONLY 2 things you can do that fits within all the hints

"step one play DoD, step two play DoD, step three play DoD" yet the main 2 gameplay aspects in the game (nesting and pvp) is not related to the eldering process

[quaint arrow]

I think he wants us to think it's to kill the elder. I remember a while ago that Jao responded to a player in here who killed their elder and he asked what else did he do afterwards

But im still kinda convinced this whole elder thing is just passive, kill the dragon and grow it passive again

[slender arrow]

Yeah it was me

[quaint arrow]

Thank you for your sacrifice 🫡

[steady rock]

I wouldn't celebrate that after 40k messages we still doesn't have a clue about eldering, but oh well...

[minor hinge]

Kill a Elder is to easy got to be hard then that

like how to kill it or when to kill it

that why would you kill A A++ elder there if it is Elder

[bold tusk]

Popular medias of dragons getting bigger or becoming stronger would be something to do with fighting, war, and bloodshed. Or something to do with magic. Since there is no magic in DoD it would have to be something else.

Also you say killing an elder is easy when it's not, if you killed an elder easily they are not skilled, or you had a clan backing you up. With that you would have to coordinate who gets the last hit if Jao were to make killing elders a way to get to elder.

And I assum if he were to do something like that it would not be a one and done

It could also be partially a science to it. Not sure what though

[minor hinge]

I give that but can find a bug to kill you just get to 0.1 hp boom dead on pve why i said kill it is easy but be way to kill so idk

like shrooms or how it die

i just not kill my 2 elder for it when i elder them

[bold tusk]

PVE would have to have almost a completely different mechanic

[minor hinge]

Right i just got asd and ss elder all i got there server die out so up stats out the book LOL

[bold tusk]

PVE isnt even PVE right now. even on populated servers its just relax servers. but thats my spicy take on it xD

[minor hinge]

i give you that

that if 1.1 come out elder be chage so

or when it come out

[native yacht]

The only way to elder has always and only been passively.

[bold tusk]

We were talking about when he does add the new system

[wild shore]

I’ve gotten all the dragons to elder on official and started testing just incase you needed to have them all 100% elder at the same time for the mechanic but nothing so far 🤷‍♀️

Probably try killing off one soon just to see if maybe getting everything to elder then losing one is the required way to “kill” off the elder for the extra ticks.

[barren cave]

Proof? Did you figure out step 2 and 3 and they turned out to just be more passive stuff? Since you know how the whole system works (As is implied by your very confident comment) you should share it 😄

[native yacht]

we are the proof

[barren cave]

So that's a no then.. What a shame, i had hoped you'd actually figured something out, and not just another assumtion

[vital pewter]

but the question is if passively ticking is the first step of the process then why even bother with anything afterwards

good luck even managing to survive with a dragon that long in pvp

[red musk]

The way to survive like that is easy, only play the game for 2 minuttes 2 times a day. That is the gameplay the devs want for this game atm xd

The reason to do it would be to unlock a faster way of eldering the next time. Problem is that no one seem to be able to figure how to do it.

[slender arrow]

I’m still going strong on mine

When stuff hits the fan fly to the redwoods and cloak works every time

[vital pewter]

well yeah thats "easy" but thats not really playing the game. its a chore, and thus i dont really consider that

honestly it seems like a waste regardless because for how long is that elder going to survive after you obtain it? maybe a week if you play minimally or do your absolute to avoid scuffles? too restrictive to really do any exploration of whatever system is in place if there is one

[red musk]

my first SS elder died after 21 hours 😛

[devout anvil]

step 3 is to sleep at night, so yeah, it is passive

we were blatantly lied to lmao

it's pretty sad Jao hasn't given up the second step already

[barren cave]

I mean, partly passive is a semi-safe guess, i'll admit that. But Jao said step 3 involves sleeping at night, not that that is all it is. Unless you know the method for sure, and can prove it, there really isn't much of a justification to just state your assumptions as fact.

And doing so just invalidates every time people have pointed out how "40k messages in here and still nothing". Because if you take out all the messages of assumptions stated as fact, and complaining, we all know that number wouldn't even be close to that high. Which is why i feel strongly about taking your complaining and assumption as fact statements to general or something, so this thread can actually be used as a usable discussion place for theories and testing, instead of being a pool of whining you have to sift through to find the few pebbles of actual effort in the depths of said pool.

[devout anvil]

why would i want to sift through hours of conversation for one answer

[devout anvil]

also pretty sure he just meant that step 3 is you sleep at night, i wouldn’t look super deep into what he says

[barren cave]

Very well could be, but as i said "pretty sure" isn't enough to state something as fact, especially not in as confident of a way as some people do, that's all im saying.
All the constant off-topic negativity is exhausting :/ It's no wonder Jao avoids chat channels, must be even worse for him.
If you are talking about how something should be? Go to suggestions channel. Just complaining/voicing your disconent for this current system or the fact it's changing? Go to general or something

[devout anvil]

yikes

[slow ridge]

It has been stated by Jao himself that the first step is to passively grow any dragon to elder in order to complete the first step.
("Naturally" - if you played legacy, then you would know that in order to "naturally" elder, you had to log in every 12 hours, stay on for at least 2 minutes, in order to get 1 elder tick, and DoD players call this "passive growing".)

The third step is to sleep during night time in order "to get extra growth ticks." when you are sleeping, you will not be moving unless there is either; danger, low hunger, or low thirst threatening your dragon. A player can simply find somewhere no one really visits, and AFK here, or just AFK at BR in PvE. This is considered "passive growing."
(Now, this is theoretical, you can certainly argue that it could take about 1 minute of sleeping then moving on with your night, although it still is a passive growing system at the very end of the day.)

Second step is still unknown, yes I understand this, however in all honesty, with what I'm attempting to imply here, the second would never be able to explain why this is not a passive growing system, when two of the steps require passive actions in order to achieve elder.

This method is what I would consider to be passive growing, even if the second step potentially requires you to do something interactive other than logging in and out or sleeping. What was considered the first and third steps, all require long lasting passive actions to complete.

And please, no need to immediately assume that I am hating on you, the game, or Jao, I love this game and await for more updates, I've been here since day 1 even if I'm no KS, however, I am simply unbiased. And considered perhaps explaining the perspective to you might shed light on why some players view it that way. And I would enjoy to hear your perspective as well in order to understand the way you see it. I'm here to discuss about the elder system after all, not to complain about it.

[barren cave]

Sure, im fully aware of how things have worked since the day the very first version.
Just because step 1 is passive, and step 3 involves sleeping (As in not the full step 3) doesn't mean the full method when the system is completely known is 100% guaranteed to be fully passive 👍 Until you know the full system, you CANNOT state that it is fully passive with such certainty.
Im not going to argue further, my point was to keep whining and stating assumtions as fact out of here as at this point it's getting so repetitive there's no point to it. And im not saying you were hating on him or the game, but i won't name names(Not hard to figure out what people im thinking of when talking about reducing the amount of whining and "facts").
edit: some mistakes

[devout anvil]

i mean, i’m going off of Jao’s words when he said the new system will be “switching to an active method” which just kinda proves the current one is passive lol

also ngl it seems kinda rude to come out of the gates and say people are “whining”

kinda just invalidates peoples’ feelings about this game and Jao

Toxicity to any form of criticism is one of the biggest factors to people up and leaving this game, on top of the performance issues and other things

I know it’s driven me away, and i’ve been playing since 2020’s alpha release

[next flint]

The new Eldering system is just not as 'active' a method as it was, regardless what the second step is, and we need it to be.
Setting up systems to rotate people who were hunting mushrooms and recording their run timers was extremely successful for us and kept our community working together and engaged.
Yes hunting shrooms was a pain, we spent more time rotating to make sure they went to the right people than we did playing the game, but it relied on actively hunting them, learning the times and the routes, and communicating with others also Eldering.

Our server isn't surviving because we don't have that kind of stability anymore.

[forest lake]

like I'm of the opinion that "passive" vs "active" is semantics and doesn't matter. what does matter, imo, is the following:

Is the elder system fun, engaging, and challenging? Does it make people want to play the game in the way that the game intends? Does it set up the types of interactions between players that the game wants?

imo, people logging in on their alts every day for 2 minutes to get their passive elder ticks isn't fun or engaging, and involves them having to actively avoid conflicts with other players to avoid all their growth being wasted. And sleeping at night, while being slightly better, isn't saying much- it's saying you just have to be logged in, not doing anything, and not talking, for a certain amount of time, which is inherently boring. It's "turn the game on and watch yotube for 20 minutes" simulator, then set a timer for when night starts again, and log out. it's the same step as previous with slightly more added risk just due to being logged in, but given that you're already sleeping, the risk is minimal since you're already in a position to safelog.

Is it possible that the second step is fun, engaging, or challenging? sure. but we know going into it that it's at a 2/3 fail rate for the qualifiers of being a good game mechanic, and thus, I cannot in good faith say that the mechanic itself is good.

even not knowing the entirety of the mechanic, we can say from what we do know that it's a bad mechanic. it keeps people in the game in only the barest sense of the phrase, and does not keep them actively engaged with the game at all. it also does not cause players to interact in a desired way, which is a very important component in an MMO. thus, it should be changed to a better mechanic that accomplishes those goals.

[graceful haven]

Are there any clues to the second step?

[simple ore]

as far as I know, only that it´s the hardest to figure out

and "seek what you have become"

[round flint]

idk if I trust the poems anymore, because no one's figured out what Jao has confirmed that fits with the last lines hint

[devout anvil]

I wonder if you have to sleep near an already full elder at night for the second step + third step

if no one has tried that yet

would line up with “seek with what you have become” after becoming an elder

ik that’s not exactly soloable but that would kinda line up

Or you sleep next to your logged elder dragon

[pliant yoke]

@devout anvil it can be done solo

[naive otter]

correct, it can be done solo and isnt related to nesting or PVP

[graceful haven]

Thanks for the info! I’ll keep looking.

[prisma mirage]

If you have to sleep near someone who is already elder, that is technically not soloable as it requires another players presence. To consider something that can be done solo would mean you can do it even if there are no other players on the server.

When I get confused on what i can do solo, I ask myself, "am I able to do/complete this on an empty server?"
Answers:
Yes = solo-able
No = not solo-able

[naive otter]

this is indeed one way to figure out things that are soloable. i wish you all luck in your search! dont forget the pinned messages aswell! all of it helps

[devout anvil]

that's sorta why i suggested maybe sleeping next to your elder dragon that's logged? since they're just kinda there if you don't safelog
it would sorta line up with the second step's wording and the third step, and is technically soloable
though i'm not sure if anyone's tried that

1: Become what you seek - Become an elder naturally through the passive 12 hr ticks
2: seek what you have become - Log but don't safelog your elder in a safe place and return to where that logged elder is with the dragon you're wanting to elder
3: Under the moon you'll find yourself again/Sleep at night to gain more ticks - Sleep next to your logged elder self (at night) while it's still in the world before the safelog timer makes it disappear

Just an idea

if anyone tries this, do let me know, i have the game uninstalled rn due to the performance issues </3

I also didn't elder any of my dragons in this version sadly

[lone gulch]

I tried it on a non official server. My ss has become an elder with tiks and logged it then came back with my ir who's roughly 70 percent. Slept next to it at night, gained a passive tik. Waited there until my elder disappeared.
outcome: nothing:(

[devout anvil]

sadge...

honestly i have no idea what it could be at this point

ty for trying <3

[simple ore]

Maybe 3 calling next to it before sleeping? Since certain calls have been part of a different quest (Bacon)

Also, I am still thinking the soloable part might just be the possibility to tick to elder. What was the most fun part of the legacy game, that had nothing to do with pvp? The elder parties! MAYBE, just maybe Jao wanted us to do those? Natural gameplay and such?

[restive granite]

Didn't he confirm it's about killing off the elder that you've passive ticked and then it unlocks it so when you sleep during the night it gives you more progressive elder growth

Regardless he's changing the system

[devout anvil]

no lol

he hasn't confirmed anything

[devout anvil]

and i can continue to speculate until he does so

[restive granite]

Great didn't say you couldn't 👍 gl

[devout anvil]

alr

[native yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-let-him-cook-cook-cooking-breaking-bad-gif-27522167

[devout anvil]

I’m ngl, i thought I was cookin’

[devout anvil]

Calls weren’t part of the bacon quest, they were used to summon your thornback pet

the bacon quest was pure dialogue then hopping into a portal lol

[native yacht]

I thought it be a pretty dope idea for when an elder 1calls, all adult and juvi dragon would lower there heads

but i can see how it would be used in the wrong ways 😩

[vestal gull]

thats goofy lol

[native yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-crying-meme-gif-26327776

[somber rover]

So have we basically exhausted all the possibilities and proven active eldering isn't in the game?

[vestal gull]

👍

[wide canopy]

Pretty accurate.

[devout anvil]

man

and i thought i really had something

[slender arrow]

Even tho I know the only elder method is passive ..I still tried to do what you said in hopes of maybe just maybe lol 😂 nope 🙂‍↔️

[devout anvil]

there is a second method, Jao just refuses to tell us

and it’s also passive

[slender arrow]

Yeha I know there is his gonna tell us the day of the update and then right after boom 💥 the update

[devout anvil]

we don’t know what he’ll do, tbh he’ll more than likely just change it

[small sedge]

Oh it's for sure getting changed during the next update, he's said that he'll tell us what this method is once the method is changed but I'm not sure I even want to know because I'm concerned what his definition of "natural" gameplay is since he revealed one of the steps is sleeping at night 😂

That aspect is only "natural" for hardcore RPers if that; I especially can't imagine any pvp players discovering that step

[devout anvil]

Idek at this point

pretty sure he’s just not telling people to prevent people from getting elders again

even though it’s

really the only thing you can do rn

besides breed and fly around the middle of the map

edges of the map are so barren, it’s not worth it

[mint tulip]

honestly haven't touched this game in months cause there was nothing else to do but elder

but ya this news killed any desire

[vestal gull]

oooh yea think thats how a very large amount of people feel tbh

[round flint]

My biggest issue is that you can't confirm if it's a lie or not

Because why else would you do that

[hollow quarry]

yea. If its getting changed and he tells us the change when the update happens.

How can we prove he wasnt lying???

[dense current]

I have an elder ss im willing to sack off to test if the method is revealed with enough time for me to test it ^^

[red musk]

you can prevent games from updating on steam, im not sure you can run them without updating, but someone might know a way, and if that is possible you can test this on a private server

[slender arrow]

Don’t bother we already killed multiple elders and tried multiple things lol just keep it

[dense current]

Im keeping it till something is confirmed. But im willing to sack it off if we get confirmation of the method like a few hours before the new update drops. Its 4e 9e recessive so ill want to upstat eventually 😂

[steady rock]

Who want to bet that if the New method still involve passive eldering first then dragons eldered before the update won't count?

[slender arrow]

Nah I don’t think so not after the blow back he got with the current method only being passive

[round flint]

I honestly don't mind the first step atleast being passively eldering something once tbh

[royal sundial]

So I just saw the patch notes and the next eldering method is also something we have to figure out

[steady rock]

Ofc, he needs something to diatract and occupy people with

[red musk]

atleast we know it will involve the crystals

[round flint]

Weren't the crystals just meant to be food for the blitz

&... isn't that technically campable

There's like only 4-5 spots on teh map currently that have crystals, and you know damned well what clans are gonna do on PVP servers 🥲

That's a horrible idea to me. They're just gonna gate keep the areas on mass.

[steady rock]

Apparently Jao mentioned IT in patreon chat that he's Thinking of making the New method involve the cristals

[red musk]

Jeo has said the new system will be more campable than the current one

[wide canopy]

wHen-

Bc thats sound WONDERFUL

[fast geyser]

You can still passive elder so it wouldnt make a difference realy

[round flint]

It would considerably if you gotta wait like 2 months for some dragons as a solo/small group vs a clan of 200+ players who can get it done in a significantly shorter time cuz they camp

[barren cave]

An easy fix for the campable thing would be to have whatever object you need to interact with make stamina and health regen stop when you're a certain distance from said object. If a clan tries camping it they'll eventually all die because their health and stam won't regen when they're close to it

Heck, add a double rate of hunger/thirst depletion within a certain radius of it too, nobody would want to risk camping

[junior frigate]

Or, as an option, try to make it so that when there is more than one dragon in the area, the same growth, on the contrary, slows down or does not occur, make it all work when the player is alone in this area - solo
As already stated, the active system had to work for solo players.
Because it will be like before with mushrooms, they are everything, but others are nothing. 🤷‍♂️
P.S. Sorry for my English

[gentle lodge]

I feel its kinda rude to make your unlock to an active elder system through time locked passive log ins first and then call it a "reward for playing the game." Logging in for 2 minutes then dipping because you have other, better, things to do is very contradictory. I'm not playing anything. I'm opening the game, picking a dragon and then sleeping as soon as I get into the world.

Sure the other 2 steps might be more "rewarding." (Although one requires sleeping at night which isn't engaging at all, unless you're a roleplay fanatic) but to make your first step spending 2 months doing routine log in log outs? It's a turn off

I know he's changing it so I'm beating a dead horse here, but could he not think of anything more...enjoyable? Exciting? Dragon specific???

[red musk]

Pretty much every gameplay aspect of this game revolves around waiting, waiting 12 hours for your next elder tick seems pretty on brand

[steady rock]

Don't forget that you're doing the 2 month waiting game to then get killed almost immediately and loose all your progress, because "the game is designed to grow fright and die"

[red musk]

I have already done that with an SS
Imagine eldering a IR and then die to a single shot by an SS soon after, the changes made to it in 1.0.1 won't fix this issue because the damage reduction only works if you have lit yourself on fire first

[steady rock]

Imo the whole design of the game is contradictory...IT claims to be a fast paced "live fight die" game but everything leading up to the fighting part takes literal ages

[eager heath]

im sorry, but where does it ever said fast paced?
even on their steam page they claim you grow over time and you have to survive till then

[steady rock]

Every Time people complain about getting killed too fast the response is that that's the goal, your dragons are expendable and you can grow another one anyway

[eager heath]

Well then that's not the game claiming it is fast paced tho?
The current steam page states "the goal" as "be a dragon, survive and grow, explore, unlock elementals, be with people"
Players complain about dying before growing up or before they get to do whatever else they wanted to achieve
While other players see the goal just as what you said - "live, fight, die"

[steady rock]

Even Jao claimed that to be the goal tho

[eager heath]

Yes, tho that doesn't mean it's fast paced
And based on this being "open world sandbox survival", there's no set goals beside what you want to do
It is intended to be "live, fight, die", but you have PvE servers, which obv do not intend to just fight and die

[native yacht]

with work and only getting 1 tick cycle I can tell you it will take more than 4 months to elder an IR. ask me how I know that

[gentle lodge]

I had college and work back on legacy, i only collect 4 elder mushroom my entire elder process an it took me 3 and 1/2 months to get my ss to elder. And now she's in limbo forever now because i'd rather play a game that gets updates

[gentle lodge]

I just wish there were more AI updates. The most interesting update for the AI is the Desert update which to my estimates will come out in 2026

[eager heath]

yeah its gonna be crazy long till some of the more interesting updates come
but honestly, the idea of this game is awesome
i think even if it takes ages i will come to check it out even if i stop maining this game XD

[gentle lodge]

Even with whats being listed in the trello, the ecosystem doesnt seem all that much. No birds, deer, or bear-like creatures to really make me feel like im part of something bigger. As much as I love this game, when you really think about it there still isnt much going on

As for the crystals, there is no way that's not campable.

[quaint arrow]

I assume there is no update to this

[devout anvil]

he said it would be campable

but at least it'll be an active method

[gentle lodge]

welp, there goes any chance I attempt PVP

[fast geyser]

Preferably i would want the new eldering include real active gameplay not just camping. So for example in pve servers you get an elder tick everytime you nest, in pvp you get a tick every time you kill or eat from an ADULT dragon or elder dragon and so on. This would mean you actualy have to play the dragon you want to elder and not just camp the cristals

[wide canopy]

Promoting “dragon eat dragon” would be the easiest farmable method as of ASD and SS singe etc with being lower tiers and their growth time. PoT has that same system and noone complains too much.. right now, sure it CAN be a issue but later on with the massive mega map? No.. not a issue at all.

[next flint]

PoT style quests would be a great interactive eldering method. Also available solo.

Dragon eat Dragon could be faster, but he wants it to be achievable solo.

Having an environment we can interact with would change things a lot.

[fast geyser]

It could be adjustable, so that fs gives more grow as an asd for example or switch it that only specific dragons give a grow, so that fs needs ss, asd need fs and so on

[fast geyser]

I ment it like depending ehat gamemode you play the eldering system changed so for solo would also be a different one, could be killing bigger ai for example

[next flint]

I get that, I was actually expecting Eldering to be based around killing Pookie. I thought that was the plan

[fast geyser]

But this would need actual gameplay to become an elder not just "log in twiche a day" or "log in every hour for one shroom to eat"

A different idea could be, your dragon gets faster elder ticks then now, but it only counts the time you are actualy loged in on the dragon. That would mean not campable, needing kinda active gameplay even tho its an passive methode and it would still keeps the elders rare.

[next flint]

A bit too AFK though, just doesn't sound as exciting as bosses or quests

[fast geyser]

Agree with that but all active methodes always make them campable in someway. Its more an improvement idea from the eldering we have now, to make it a needing a bit more active gameplay to reach elder stage.

[next flint]

I don't know if you've played PoT, but those quests are easy to do solo and rewarded in groups. And you get additional growth progress based on them.

You also get a currency to spend levelling up your attacks.

It feels customised and immersive.

[fast geyser]

Another idea could be to make elder just a show of stage kinda and instead giveing a growing "buff" for dragons if they live in their preferred climate and as soon as they leave, they loose the buff over time and getting weaker. But that would need a new map were all dragons have clima they feel comfortable in and also clima where they dont feel comfortable in. In the end there are many ideas on how it could be done and i realy hope the devs keep up with this chat and writeing some of them down, not just the ones from me but also what others have written already, cause the curent "active" waiting game is not fun at all.

Sounds like a good idea but also makes it highly campable again

[next flint]

Not at all, as I said many games have this style gameplay, if you have decent item frequency, multiple locations and refresh rate. I'm not talking about just one mushroom on an island that someone can sit on.

In Ark PvP yeah they can camp spawn sites, but they can't camp every single tree from being chopped, or berry being picked.

The whole map needs to be brought into gameplay, utilised to give you reasons to travel to different regions.

PvP had serious gatekeeping issues because the resources were so painfully rare and had no variety on spawn location.

[round flint]

POT also doesn't promote clan based game play though

[wide canopy]

doesnt promote, but it does have it.

Not to mention again... You can't camp everything 100% perfectly (This is coming from someone who actively robbed mushrooms on us1 and got away with it 99% of the time.)

only issue tbh is new players having trouble GETTING said eldering method.

[round flint]

Ye, but the accesibility of POT vs DOD's clan systems vastly change the dynamic and POT can actually be enjoyed/played solo way easier than DOD due to the faction split & group limits

DOD's survival rn depends on on clans