#New Elder System

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devout anvil
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They give insight into updates and dev blogs

slender arrow
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Do you PvP

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?

upbeat igloo
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I own a PvP server so yes

devout anvil
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I just want more to this game, it's been heavily lacking since Alpha

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yes, alpha

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upbeat igloo
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I wouldn’t care.

slender arrow
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Lmfao 🤣

upbeat igloo
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I don’t get attached to things in game

covert stag
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The Isle is more years behind than DoD? When did you play The Isle last? Alot more Dinos to play as than dragons. They have a functioning Diet. Alot more food sources.

slender arrow
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It’s not about being attached

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If there was actually way to elder I wouldn’t care but if it takes me 50 days to do it …yea I be pretty mad lol

upbeat igloo
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I have spent more hours in power wash simulator. A few extra hours in this game would not bother me

slender arrow
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Lmfao

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If you extra hours

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It takes 50 days to elder the class 5

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40 for ss

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How’s that couple hours

upbeat igloo
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Logging in for 3 mins

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Then log out and play something else

devout anvil
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The Isle had to completely restart development in 2021 when they abandoned Legacy in favor of re-making their game from the ground up (Evrima)
Since then, they've been making a lot of progress
I feel like it's more accurate to compare Evrima to DOD rather than The Isle as a whole
While yeah, The Isle did start in 2015, Evrima is a completely different game compared to what it used to be, both inside and out

slender arrow
devout anvil
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Rusty

upbeat igloo
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well, no

slender arrow
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Your cool with that lol

devout anvil
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can you

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lowkey stop

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you're kind of destroying my point

upbeat igloo
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In my server, you can’t kos

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devout anvil
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Ok, so you're just insufferable

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understandable

slender arrow
upbeat igloo
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It’s PvP with rules

devout anvil
covert stag
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A survival game where its against the rules to KOS is not a survival game

slender arrow
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ISNT KOS the literal definition of PvP ?

devout anvil
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I mean

slender arrow
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So you own a soft Christian Minecraft server got it

upbeat igloo
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I hate the hatchie killing so I made a server where people can’t do that.

devout anvil
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there's a heavy difference between killing someone for food and killing someone, when you already have food, just to kill them

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devout anvil
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i would understand if said person was possibly threatening you

slender arrow
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You just described

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PvP lol 😂

devout anvil
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no, i'm describing the difference between hunting and KOS

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because anti-KOS rules are pretty valid

slender arrow
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Hunting and Kosing are both PvP components

upbeat igloo
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And being on US-1 and getting KOS’d constantly since the clans were like “you’re a threat” or “it’s for fun”, was getting annoying.

devout anvil
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hunting is to sustain yourself with what you need

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kosing is killing just to be mean

slender arrow
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We are playing a dragon game

devout anvil
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I

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i'm

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what??

covert stag
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Tell that to Crocdile that eats its own young lol

upbeat igloo
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But the hatchie killing made no sense since hatchies give no food

wild shore
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what is even the argument here anymore lol

devout anvil
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Rusty has completely twisted it

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and he's kind of

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rude

slender arrow
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Lmfao 🤣

devout anvil
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it's kinda offputting

slender arrow
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2024 were people are so soft they think me talking about PvP is rude

devout anvil
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i'm not sure you're completely understanding what we're saying

wild shore
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LOL

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uh welcome to creature survivals

slender arrow
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Welcome to PvP

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Welcome to video games lmfao

wild shore
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literally tho

devout anvil
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It's

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what??

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Ok, i think everyone is misunderstanding me completely here

slender arrow
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Bro red is gonna go nuclear in min lmfao 🤣

devout anvil
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???

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I'm just confused

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all i wanted to talk ab was that dod's eldering system is boring

covert stag
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I dont get ity. Why would you have a PvP server in a SURVIVAL game where you cant KOS?

devout anvil
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KOSing kills the fun for a lot of people

upbeat igloo
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Because I can.
But anyways.
It’s coming up to 4am for me.
I don’t mind the eldering system, but I’m still waiting for the next update for the new system to come in since I don’t get on DoD much anyways.
Have a good one

devout anvil
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especially when you're getting KOSed as a hatchling

covert stag
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Then dont play survival games

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devout anvil
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No, honestly, i just want to fight fairly

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and have a chance lol

slender arrow
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Sorry I come from rust and ark PvP

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So idk what that is lol

devout anvil
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DOD kinda suffers in a lack of hiding places for young dragons, while The isle gives you lots of folliage so you actually have a chance

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so if you're seen by really anyone flying by

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you're kinda screwed

covert stag
devout anvil
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and there's no real way to prevent it with bright colored skins

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and no coverage

covert stag
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Now DayZ was BRUTAL

devout anvil
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offtopic

covert stag
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I think its been off Elder topic for a while. Since i logged in a few mins agao lol

slender arrow
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Facts lmfao 🤣

devout anvil
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i mean

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even just sticking to dod/animal survival in general would be nice

cosmic river
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stick to the topic of the thread please

proper imp
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sinful haven
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PvP is Kind of dead because of the nesting DoDFishPog

rustic quiver
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ahh and skins are not really existing atm, so yeah what should i do in this game

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in legacy i was able to jump progs or male a plan how to trap them with my clan / friends and start a fight with that
thats all out of the game now, because people just get on to get passiv ticks

vestal gull
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fr

placid anchor
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If you wanna know how to elder you should try, patreon chat, I heard about how jao is putting hints there, I wish I was not poor 😞😭

prisma mirage
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I put in feedback about that in the Elder update thread but I will also put it here.

I want to provide some constructive feedback regarding the new elder system. While I understand the need for innovation, I would like to stress that giving hints and spoilers exclusively to Patreons could be perceived as a pay-to-win model. This approach might alienate players who can't or don't want to spend money on the game. I strongly recommend reconsidering this strategy to ensure fairness and inclusivity within the community.

slender arrow
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So we all seem the Reddit post

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Lmfao 🤣 this man hates us

rustic quiver
slender arrow
prisma mirage
rustic quiver
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honestly i am not worried about
there are so many coders etc in this community if there would be something in the code we would all know
also the new elder system will be leaked asap

prisma mirage
prisma mirage
small sedge
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Since it's perfectly fine (per fandom in the message I'm replying to) to share information from the patreon chat, just not screenshots,

  • Jao is no longer sharing hints in this spoilers thread "because we are mad at him"
  • There is a passive tick and non-passive tick elder system
  • New elder method coming in 1.0.1 involves crystals
rustic quiver
prisma mirage
slender arrow
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That’s just beautiful

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So sad cuz I actually like this game but this guy like hates his own community

tiny vine
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he admitted to blocking his community in general the other day so

slender arrow
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Wow

prisma mirage
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He is also thinking that the only biome where you can active elder is the lava lands, where all elementals hang out.

small sedge
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Which will be downright useless if the megamap isn't released with 1.0.1 as well 😂

red musk
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Or could be referencing where you will be able to spawn a elemental

small sedge
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"i'm also thinking that the only biome where you can active elder is the lava lands, where all the elementals hang out"
direct quote from him

pliant yoke
prisma mirage
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Another direct quote from him:

"what do u all think about Elemental faction being not something you have to trade an elder for, but something that deletes all dragons on your account in order to spawn one in, then u can keep playing, but switching faction will delete your elementals"

pliant yoke
prisma mirage
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But I think that is more to elementals rather than anything to do with the elder system so oops

pliant yoke
small sedge
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fr though it's disheartening that he sees people's frustrations with not being able to figure out eldering or people having doubts as a personal attack to the point that he absolutely purposefully tried keeping information from this thread 😩

pliant yoke
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yea it sucks ngl, i currently cant pay for patreon even tho i want to and im sure im not the only one

small sedge
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With recent events I'm glad I haven't paid for PT 😬

pliant yoke
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i used to be a patreon for some months but have no single info bout eldering system

tiny vine
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he effectively wiped out his pvp population with it all, which was disappointing for us :<

pliant yoke
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i wasnt even able to play on pvp even tho i wanted to, i cant join molten mountain cus of the server cap, its so annoying

placid anchor
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People feedback is really important, he need to listen from people who really play and enjoy the game, release content see what people says and learn and do adjustments

tiny vine
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oh don’t worry, my clan did dragonking and majority couldn’t play because of the ping cap, then by the time they removed it we were all bored and done with the game

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we did all the experiments with eldering, didn’t find anything but the ticks, so we moved on to other games 🤷‍♀️

prisma mirage
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I think it is good that we are talking about this as a community but to avoid this thread being locked, let's stay on topic of the eldering system krikat

pliant yoke
tiny vine
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idk eldering for us was a big part of the game, for me camping shrooms was lowkey fun…regardless of the toxic claims, setting up a prog ambush made pvp

tiny vine
pliant yoke
tiny vine
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sorryyyy, it made the game fun for my side, we had some pretty good fights come out of a prog jump

placid anchor
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Camping was a strategic play, and shrooms promoted a lot of fight on Pvp was just need a adjustment to be more random around the map, not like ravine

red musk
tiny vine
placid anchor
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If I remember we'll new people didn't want to go elder forest to shroom, they always go for the easy way on island

tiny vine
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i can understand wanting to make it “uncampable” but the mechanic wasn’t broken per say, it allowed a way for people to do something and give them opportunities for a pvp situation

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i can’t speak for pve, i can understand the camping woes for them though x.x

void patrol
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The new elder system might be back to being campable

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When they change it in 1.0.1

tiny vine
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only time will tell sadly

void patrol
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It will involve crystals in the new elder system in 1.0.1

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Apparently

tiny vine
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that’s if he sticks to that plan

small sedge
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I can see how something campable would be really neat for PvP servers and encourage territory wars; if I was into PvP then I would probably think it was a great mechanic 😂

tiny vine
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totally ^^ that’s why i’m like i can’t speak for pve, just pvp wahhhh

placid anchor
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Just need to be more scattered and with Randoms spawns

gilded jewel
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you don't need to remove the campable way, just add another solo way Shruggo

tiny vine
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nekoooo welcomeeee

gilded jewel
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why take content when you can add more content

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just adjust the values of shrooms to be lower so you can't spam elders if you combine all methods

tiny vine
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they can’t be in an area like ravine, that was torture to shroom for hours on end

gilded jewel
gilded jewel
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quick in and out missions with an ss squad in ravine 👌

tiny vine
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100%, our ravine fights were one of the bests after fs released

gilded jewel
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or big fights started on island/pride

small sedge
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I'd still kill for some kind of questing system to be implemented as part of actively eldering

tiny vine
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for pvp shrooms were 100% part of the fun, i don’t know what could replace that for pve

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ooo wait maybe the questing yeah

placid anchor
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I see good ideas, at least if he listen the community... People have a lot of ideas to improve the game

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Quests for pve sound nice

small sedge
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PvP quests could be along the lines of "cover yourself with the blood of five drakes to prove your worth" shibakek

tiny vine
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oh goodness 🤣

gilded jewel
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just have both 😭 still gives ways for clans to interact and for smaller clans/solo players to sneak in some prog

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passive eldering to unlock active eldering is so boring, I'm glad it's changing

tiny vine
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i did see a suggestion for pvp to gain elder prog from killing another player

small sedge
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PvE we'd be pretty limited and I can't expect an elder quest to really feel "worthy" of eldering when the best we could do is drop offerings of tiny spiders at an altar 🤣

gilded jewel
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maybe when the bigger AI comes

small sedge
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UGH gimme big AI nasties to duke it out with yes

gilded jewel
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or for pve quests like "ASD population is in trouble due to drakes falling off the cliffs, go nest x new hatchlings with A+ impact res to help out" haha

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if there is nothing to do but nest rn at least give it a purpose

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aside from upstating forever

small sedge
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Mmm I like the sound of that in theory but then it'd be impossible for anyone to actively elder for a long while 😂

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That would be a neat one for broodies to receive tho O: b r o o d i e s

placid anchor
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A system where people can see, what clans have on sever would be nice, something where people could apply to a clan to be more easy for people relating on game.

round flint
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Depending on the path you pick, it could contribute to eldering in a game style YOU enjoy, and ur rewarded for how YOU play the game

small sedge
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That would be the dream 🤩

round flint
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Its not far off from his starwars galaxy or what ever reward system too

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You get benefits depending on what you spec into & playing to that role

covert stag
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Apparently the reason Jao wont say what the non passive Elder "Mechanic" is is because he wont be able to use it for something else later once the current Elder mechanic is changed.

small sedge
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Gotta wonder what other use an eldering mechanic would have if it's not used for eldering 😂

covert stag
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Can also confirm he said new method will involve crystals

covert stag
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I think i know what it is now. not sure your gonna like it. will take time to confirm it though

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small sedge
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It's def not what I would prefer because it still doesn't give any sort of direction of play or reward you for accomplishing something in particular 🙃 I'd feel the same about that as I do passive ticks

covert stag
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yip same

small sedge
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Something like that would also need to be account-linked rather than server linked if that is something being considered

covert stag
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But it fits from what Jao says

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He did say something about server based i think. But that could be for the new method coming

small sedge
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I think the server thing was in regards to the elementals? Spitballing having all dragons on a server wiped in order to create an elemental iirc, unless I'm completely misremembering

covert stag
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he did comment on Patreon chat "1) play DoD, 2) play DoD, 3) Play DoD"

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3 steps

small sedge
covert stag
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He also did say a while back its similar SWG, your rewarded for playing the game

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I also i think that in this case its per Dragon. And also the clock probably doesnt start until you reach adult and start eldering.

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As for the hint about the moon. ##### ### moon. After Six/Ten Moon. Saying Moon instead of moons was misleading

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So what im gonna try and do is stay logged a few hours a day. Keep game running in background while i do other things.

floral bluff
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Whatever happens, I do hope the passive ticks remain as a way to elder, in some way. To me, that's definitely preferable to a certain amount of time in-game/on a certain dragon or whatnot... I don't have time for that. steve (I suppose depending on how many hours it would take...)

Still, while I don't mind passive eldering, I'm looking forward to an active eldering system that can supplement it. 😅 I suppose we will see.

covert stag
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Just incase you dont get what i mean, its accumulative. Play for an hour a day for 24 days or 2 hours for 12 days and so on and you get an extra tick or big tick. possibly boost right up to Elder. I shall find out.

dusk ravine
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That is a fair way to make people want to play the game more which is good, but it still not interactive which is bad.

This would also be another way to hurt breeders because most our time is spent growing a new dragon to do a new nest.

Many people need an objective, to continue playing and this is just stay logged on, not play my game to accomplish goal X.

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I have accumulated an insane amount of hours played since 1.0.0.0 but most of it is growing because breeder 😦

covert stag
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It would explain why PvE players havent discovered it too. They probably don't keeps their dragons alive long enough to accumulate enough hours. hell of a challenge for PvP to stay alive that long. IF this is the method i quite like it. I shall keep you all informed if anything happens. Pretty sure my SS just need less than 10hrs to hit 24hrs.

mint tulip
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back

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my comp is back ;w;

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it werks

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so imma start up again with eldering the asd

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hoping i can get there in time to test

covert stag
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I have a theory. Scroll up to see screenshot. Its not to far up lol

mint tulip
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you think it is that for the game

covert stag
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How many hours is the question though

mint tulip
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seems odd

covert stag
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It fits from what Jao has said

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So yeah from that screen shot just read what i posted after and see what you think.

mint tulip
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soooo maybe we get a boost during the time the moon is up to eldering passively?

covert stag
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My line of thinking is mention of the moons is just passage of time. A full day cycle is about 2 and half hrs? so Ten moons would be around 24 hours

mint tulip
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so we may start getting elder ticks with the servers ingame time vs irl time

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or days

covert stag
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Aye. Thats my theory anyway

mint tulip
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but you'd think someone would notice who did off their elders

covert stag
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I offed my Elder ASD and SS. Currently playing as my respawned SS.

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Still waiting to Elder FS and IR. FS at 82.7% IR at 79.1

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But to be fair, still not 100% sure if Reaching Elder first then killing it is what you actually have to do

mint tulip
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sure would be nice to get another hint to step 2

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but who could possibly know that :v

covert stag
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lol we are not getting anymore hints in this channel. Seems like anymore hints are behind a paywall on the patreon chat. people were telling Jao this chanel hates him lol.

mint tulip
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wow no we don't we just are frustrated

covert stag
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Exactly

mint tulip
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your a patreon he say anything that hints?

covert stag
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If my theory is correct then it makes no sense to keep it secret. Would have kept people playing. It would also keep Elders rare most certainly in PvP servers

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Not really. Hed did say "1) Play DOD, 2) Play DOD, 3) Play DOD". Which i assume he refers to the 3 steps

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Also the new method coming is going to involve crystals

mint tulip
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really?

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not sure how to feel about that

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the only reason people latched onto that theory was because they were very new to the game

mint tulip
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i am hoping whatever the new method will be is something we can have a chance of figuring it out

slender arrow
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And the next elder mechanic we’ll involve crystals

mint tulip
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i just don't like hiding mechanics of a game

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in obscure ways that you can only findout about outside of the game

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but its whatever I will wait to see whatever they put out next

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calling someone sheep constantly read like your shouting in anger

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could go on

fading canyon
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Anyways, is there any new news on eldering?

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i havent been in chat for a few days

mint tulip
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aint jack

fading canyon
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Good to know 😭

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Im assuming theres been more ppl getting passive elder?

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Ive noticed that the chats kinda slowed down since the first step was revealed

mint tulip
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it has alot

novel nimbus
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Hello, just a gentle reminder to remain respectful to each-other in the chats and please keep the post on topic which the topic is about the Elder System.

No one knows how the current Eldering system works, not even us, so until it is directly stated somewhere or discovered let’s not make assumptions as well. Remain respectful to the team and your fellow community members, if you’re having a difficult day make sure to step away and do something else to take your mind off of whatever frustration is going on.

That is all, hope everyone has a good one today or tonight, just keep it clean and civil.

wide canopy
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Relax. Its best to have em change the system so its more helpful than the current

delicate bridge
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ive ditched this thread for so long, and eldering is still not found? thats a bit strange considering how many people were looking at the start, but tbh im only reading recents so i could be mistaken

red musk
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The first 20k messages or so was more or less for nothing as the first step of the unlock was something no one could have been at the time.
But yea nothing found so far, but there was a recent theory that I liked here #1209681807746801724 message

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I mean, the first 20k messages birthed the tutu meme that was kinda funny so there is that

delicate bridge
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lemme go read it rq, a moment lol

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i like the theory, but hate the incintive of having to no life that long to test tht XD

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id go mental staring at the buggy river all day

pliant yoke
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Pls just leave the DoD server or stop commenting everything, thank you. 🙂

red musk
delicate bridge
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better for sure, yeah id definitely agree than the mushroom wars, but ill be happy to hear the new one he will propose, from the tiny bit i understand of it, it sounds interesting enough to grab my curiosity

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ahh itll be campable again i think, though

red musk
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He have said it won't be as campable as the mushrooms but more than the current system. All we know is that it will be related to the crystals in some way but it will be a whole new discovery to find out how it works...
Time to dance, howl and feed the crystals bugs all over again 😂

placid anchor
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Campable is good 😈

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At least on Pvp, Pve should be some different system... Both devoted to the necessities of servers.

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Cuz there's two different gameplays

red musk
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I forsee a lot of death for my dragons going forward xd

placid anchor
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🤣🤣

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And eldering, should be different for every single spicies, and the path of mutations should change eldering devoted to gameplay of each mutation... I think something to force encourage fighting on Pvp, but still small clans can take it (ofc these clans need to recruit get bigger or do some allies people can just complain if they are not putting effort) should be challenging on Pvp cuz elders can change fights they are OP.
In Pve something more social.. I don't see that happening cuz it's a lot of work... But would be nice.

red musk
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Elders actually gets a base 5% damage bonus just for being elder, probably health and other stats aswell, there is also hidden damage modifiers when fighting a class above or below you, a class 6 dragons will deal more damage to a class 5 for example. So yea they are very op

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Would be cool to see eldering change depending on your path, nesting related if you are going social, fighting/movement related by going agility and survival related by going survival

placid anchor
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Yap, shouldn't be easy to elder... But for the good health of the game we should have a funny eldering system, the progress for eldering should just be complement of passive ticks, for people couldnt grind like on legacy but still have something to do, eldering will not fulfill the lack of the content atm but will bring some people back I'm sure

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I was imagine on PvP to be like, spawn the elder swamp snapper people go there to kill him, the first to kill him get elder tick... Spawned the mythical spineed crab, people will need to go around map and find. The crystal cave is radiating ancestral energys people go there and need to dominate or stay there for a bit. But need to be for all the map using the big map we have. Even AI as dragons and drakes... All theses ideas work for Pve... But like I said should be a complement like half the passives ticks, just for people have fun 🤗

placid anchor
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I think jao should see, what people inputs are, cuz there's no better testers than people who play the game, release stuff people give input okay let's adjust.
I have 2000hrs and probably some people have a lot of hours too and I'm sure this people will give some good ideas and be helpful but the relationship with community should be more clear and transparent

pliant yoke
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Tbh some ppl who have 3000H playtime on a diff survival game and maybe only 500H on DoD still give some nice advices and have good ideas

vagrant orbit
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The main problem is, if the elder system will be tied to playtime, we need actual things to do. I'd rather they focus on pushing actual content instead of farting DLCs at us. I'm not going to play bug fetching simulator for 12 hours to elder a useless dragon. Can't help but be bitter at this point.

barren cave
small sedge
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They're actually discussing the elder mechanic in relation to other parts of the game, but thank you!

slender arrow
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Pretty sure elders are stronger now since you get the additional 3 points

red musk
placid anchor
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SS is a dps, IR is too fragile but let's see after the patch if improves a bit

fickle wing
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IR might be much better off/have better counter play against SS with 1.0.1, since Flame Cloak will boost plasma resistance

covert stag
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Just a wee update what iv'e been doing today seeing as i was off work due to weather. I decide to clock a few hours for my theory, so far i have been logged in for 8hrs straight with a goal of 12hrs. No progress in growth as of yet.

covert stag
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Thought i better provide some evidence of my current session time. just in case.

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agile edge
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I’ve personally never seen any slow growth % based on the length of time spent in game. Only thing I’ve noticed are the 12 hour ticks.

covert stag
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Well this is the theory i'm working on. If it's to do with accumulative hours logged in. Jao has said that its similar to SWG, you are rewarded for playing the game.

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in patreon chat he did say "1) Play DOD, 2) Play DOD, 3) Play DOD"

slender arrow
covert stag
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From what i remember many years ago when i played SWG theres only 3 things i can think of it could be that rewarded you for playing. 1: Traveling to different landmarks to get badges. I have been to every landmark in DOD multiple times. 2: Accumulated log in time. I'm doing that now. 3: Content that had to be paid for. I'm pretty sure its not this but i wouldnt completely rule it out all things considered.

red musk
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"to elder you must buy all the dlc and emote packs" XD

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You still think killing off your elder is the way tho

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covert stag
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And he said the first step was the hardest

covert stag
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So my elder asd died and I grow to adult and then my adult died so I probably screwed it up lol 😂

covert stag
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Same happened to me. So will find out if its a screw up or not 🤣

red musk
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you got up until next patch to find out and use it before its removed

covert stag
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If your Adult dieing after Elder does reset the process then thats a really messed up method to be honest

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This is what I don’t understand he said he doesn’t wanna tell us the current method because he wants to use it later as in the leader updates . But then he said he’s changing eldering in patch 1.01 because people can’t figure out the current system because it’s too hard ? So why use a system again that nobody can figure out

red musk
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maybe some cool reward later on? a skin unlock for example

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covert stag
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Think about it. If Your Elder dies then you start again, someone comes along and kills your Hatchie, that then resets the active Elder unlock. How is that in anyway fair.

red musk
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in my old game World of Warcraft there have been many secrets large parts of the community got together to solve, you can check the guide for how to solve one of them here, pretty sure this was harder to figure out than what we got now, we are just a much smaller community i guess

covert stag
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VERY much smaller 🤣

slender arrow
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Yeah fair enough

red musk
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acutally, that guide dont show the difficulty that well

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but its was a huge undertaking

slender arrow
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World of Warcraft is giant game tho with a lot of developers so I can see them being able to code something spicy for the community to figure out

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There only 1 coder in DOD with a mountain of things to fix I don’t think the eldering is anything complicated

red musk
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yea, so now that he has coded it he wants to not give away its secrets so that he can use it for something different later

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i dont fully agree with it but i understand it

slender arrow
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Yeh I know but what I’m saying is

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Even tho we are small community the fact that we haven’t figured it out yet it’s a little questionable

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Because I’m sure whatever it is, it’s not something complicated or advanced

wild shore
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Got my first elder on sanctuary now, can finally start testing stuff

red musk
covert stag
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I'm going on my new theory that the hint about the moon is: After ten moon(s), Saying moon was purposely misleading.

slender arrow
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Im drained trying figure it out lol 😂

covert stag
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10 days at 2.5 or so hours in game is around the 24 hours playtime mark.

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i thinks its actually 2 hrs 20 mins

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covert stag
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Holy lol 😂

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red musk
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im curious, what have you actually been doing? 😛

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Most likely seating in a bush watching Netflix

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That’s what I would do lmfao

covert stag
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Watching anime. have a timer set for every 50 mins to go eat drink.

red musk
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when i am on i cant watch videos, im constantly looking around and in the air XD

covert stag
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Evidence of my current session playtime

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If your not panic eating in this game you ain’t playing it right

arctic turret
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Ir hatchling phase makes me panic

covert stag
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SS hatchling phase is worse. 2 hits from a bug your done haha

covert stag
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oh wait someone did come on earlier today but i missed them because i was afk

naive otter
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This forum is almost never on topic. Welp

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rolls on out until next time til next time folks!

small sedge
pliant yoke
covert stag
covert stag
sinful haven
small sedge
covert stag
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I also dont remember seeing/hearing them doing ANYTHING to contribute to this. They just come in here to whine 🤦‍♂️

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Any time one of the off-topic keyboard warriors comes on here post a meme of a sheep 🐑 It well hurt there feelings

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small sedge
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I don't think there's a need for that c: We can simply explain how we are indeed on topic and leave it at that imo, nobody needs to be given a reason to point at anyone in here and declare that folks were bullying them with emojis, etc

covert stag
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1 hour to go then i can log off and play Helldivers 🎉

slender arrow
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Lmfao

naive otter
small sedge
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I was gonna say, bro probably would like something a little stronger than tea 🤣

naive otter
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coffee for eldering, ez

covert stag
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I need stiff alchohol 🤣

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Its friday

naive otter
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fair enough!

slender arrow
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Yeah cuz I was read that SMS thing or whatever it’s called and Jeo did mention something about how he wanted eldering to be like that

naive otter
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making sure, did chu mean to reply to macta?

covert stag
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I think he's been on the bevy

naive otter
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ah

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Who me ?

covert stag
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Aye

naive otter
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aye

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Omg

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I relayed to the wrong message

naive otter
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see? 🤣

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naive otter
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its ok, DW chat sometimes goes so quick you dont know who you replied to until its too late. almost done it a few times myself

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but please! enjoy the notes i gave ya, there's extra space for people to add their own personal notes to it!

covert stag
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naive otter
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well he did note he wanted it to be jedi like.

covert stag
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And Jedi like required you to go to landmarks for badges

naive otter
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but how exactly would it work cuz of the accumlative total playtime from the legacy days. it'll be hard at least for me personally cuz im bad with time to figure out how old my natrually grown dragons would be from day they are born to the day they are adult

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plus the time it takes to passively elder. im very bad at keeping track with playtime

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also i havent been able to do any testing the last few days cuz my wifi card was being dumb.. very dumb (yesterday i finally figured out the issue after spending useless hours trying to figure it out)

covert stag
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Good question. Thats what i'm trying to figur out. Also once you got the required badges you were visited by an old man that then (if i remember right) granted you force sensitive

naive otter
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dont think we'll get any kind of notifications tho. only the passive tic bits. we would have to phsyically watch our growth bar for any changes

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if there was any kind of notification for the steps, that'd be great but sadly there are none for the active way (only the passive stage)

covert stag
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Well my passive tick has been and gone throughout this 12 hour log in session. And no change in % size

naive otter
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are you on step 1 or 2? remind me

covert stag
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Step 2. I'm on SS respawn after Eldering Passively

naive otter
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nice, im sadly still on step 1. my ASD is about 50% elder on a 1.5x boost server

covert stag
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Lucky you haha on a boosted server. I'm on Official

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Have an FS at 83.6%, IR at 80.0

naive otter
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nice! i am tempted to move to officials while my current server is basically dead until blitz

covert stag
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Step 1 of course

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I stuck with official because i remember someone say that the active Elder method might not be on speed boosted servers

naive otter
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yeahh i dont really believe that guy honestly. its what got me bonked when i just woke up and accidently forgot one important rule. when i was very on edge that someone would even say that

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i dont believe it until Jao says it himself

covert stag
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And there you have it, photographic proof of an over 12 hour straight logged in session with an assumed step 2 SS. I think its fair to say i have done my part for the DOD community for the daytoocool haha

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naive otter
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go and sleep now, 👀 if its bedtime for you

covert stag
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I'm off to play Helldivers 2 haha

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Its the weekend i dont usually bother with much sleep during weekends. Too many games to play, life too short to play them all

naive otter
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mood! and completely fair

quaint arrow
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Correction: legacy is better because you actually have something to do other than nesting (via shroomies) 😂

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But Im still skeptical of this eldering method. I still dont think there even is more steps to it, rather than just passive eldering because we've been mislead before.

tardy perch
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If Jao can do something like the old elder shrooms grind, but with WAY MORE spawn points that the game randomizes what pops up where...it should be better. It was too easy to camp. But if you put enough spawns (like I'm talking over hundreds) and also make it so the spots will be random what it has, AND also be random which spawn spawns something (maybe a cap on how many can exist on the map at once?) maybe that should work? We just need MORE everything lol

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But I'm also the rare human who didn't mind the passive ticks as the only (known) method. Keep the passive ticks regardless of change, just keep it like it was in legacy where it's in addition.

naive otter
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agreed

mint tulip
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honestly ya for mushrooms in that way would have been fine imo

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just the way before sucked cause of camping

quaint arrow
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Camping was always so annoying

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But it was so fun to nab a shroom from a camper and they would 2 call you because of it 😂

tardy perch
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I absolutely HATED the shrooms as they ended up being in legacy. On PVP I can see how it's somewhat fine. But all that lead to on PVE servers was verbal abuse something feirce

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T r u e

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That's why I partially feel like us3 had a good thing going with taking turns with shrooms and having the nametags up, cuz if someone ruined that agreement then no one was helping them

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If they didnt know then that was sumn different, though

tardy perch
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If that was an official mechanic sure. But it wasn't. Adn that's why it was so bad.

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Ik, I just thought it was nice was all lol
Ik something like that couldnt ever be implimented in every server because of how many people would ignore it, but I also realize that the reason us3 had it in the first place was to kinda mitigate the camper thing. The lack of shrooms and the rise of campers had people gathering to create a new system in which things would hopefully plan out

tardy perch
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It was nice on paper. But it wasn't new player friendly, and a servers community shouldn't be the dictator of how the players on it play. It should be the games

quaint arrow
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True true. I wasn't saying that it should be implimented, I was just saying that servers were trying to mitigate the camping issue. Which is also why it would be a good idea (if shrooms were added again) to raise the number and have them at random spawn locations

tardy perch
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At first Jao actually had more shroom spawns (in elder forest no less, hence teh name from the community). But then he shrunk it for some reason...

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I'm sure th reason was to make elders less common. But still...

mint tulip
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again make it so only so many exist in the world at a time but many places they may spawn

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that'd actually fix the gripes I think

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and not many people would be that intent to hunt where the next spawn would be

tardy perch
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If there's so many spawn points yeah even a clan shouldn't be able to camp them. Especially if he makes over 100 spawn spots, cuz then even the entire server can't sit at every spot XD

mint tulip
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exactly hell have them kind of pop up in various odd places too

vestal gull
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basically its passive tic die passive tic again thats all

quaint arrow
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I feel like he should be excited that so many people are reaching elder through shrooms and such. It means that people are actually playing his game and actively trying to achieve something. If he wanted a semi cap on the elder shroom % and wanted it to be more rare, then have a 20% active elder tick limit every week that doesn't include passive (resetting on sunday night/monday morning) ((passive not included so you can get roughly 34% max every week))

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There are so many different ways to fix the elder being rarer than just saying "passive tick and kill your dragon for a maybe chance at another elder. Totally not wasting your time :D"

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But I'm just salty so I dunno 😂

livid crystal
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could it be 1. Become that which you seek
2. nest that which you've become
3. Under the moon you'll find yourself again

maiden island
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it doesn't involve nesting

pliant yoke
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2 is most likely kill/lose that which you've become

unborn ice
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Or maybe it’s to kill another elder lol

small sedge
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Nothing to do with pvp either

pliant yoke
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Its soloable

covert stag
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Today so far i have 4 hours logged in with a goal of 6 hours. Another 6 tomorrow. On top of yesterday 12 hour session that will put me well over 24 accumulated hours playtime with This Adult Step 2 SS.

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About to debunk my own theory 🤣

tardy perch
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I'm kinda really stumped on the 3 step process by now, so I'm just waiting for 1.0.1 now

covert stag
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I'm gonna be honest as to why i'm so dedicated to finding out this non passive Elder method. I DO NOT like being lied to, and i will go above and beyond to find the truth.

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If its claimed you need 500 hours playtime? Then i WILL do it to find out if it's true

quaint arrow
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I ngl feel like this is an elaborate lie. I think the "hints" were just to occupy our time and give us something to do while we tried to do a riddle that literally just says to passive elder.

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It isnt like we werent lied to before.
My first example, this tweet.
Almost everything in this was 99% done. I feel like if everything was almost done, then the update wouldnt have taken another 2 month delay to do, and then soft releasing dragons/elemental in later months :>

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Something i did today was this. If the moon hint was actually AVOID the moon. I kept my main SS in a cave and on other account delivered bugs.

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Yes i know "Soloable"

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At this point, try anything XD

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And I thank you for your service to this so called elder system

covert stag
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I'm pulling out all the stops to the point where theres no choice but for Jao to PROVE there is a non passive method

tardy perch
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You guys have some serious trust issues.

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That tweet doesn't prove he lied. It proved he vastly overestimated himself and his team.

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It's also known that those things that he claim is 99% done are being imrpvoed even more than they were.

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Like the Blitz got an entire new texture overall.

covert stag
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Your right, i DO have serious trust issues. Due to many life experiences.

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I especially dont like being lied to when its something i have spent hard earned money on

tardy perch
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Except you haven't proven you have been lied to in this instance. So it's just paranoia fueling it.

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No one have proven or disproven it.

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But I highly highly doubt Jao lied about it. Contrary to what you seem to think, he's not lied once about anything. A game like this is constantly changing and evolving, it should be expected for certain decisions to change

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I dont think its very fair to say paranoia. With all the methods ive personally tried and tested. But ok. Tomorrow i will record a video of a 6 hour session going to all landmarks and using all but lifetime reward call signs, eating bugs, mushrooms. Drinking from all water sources. Thats similar to SWG. Also during that recording i will have passed 24 hours of accumulated playtime. That is also something that is similar to SWG. Rewarded for playing the game is what Jao himself has said.

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if i am wrong and something does happen? I am grown up and man enough to publicly apologize. I will even risk a ban pinging my apology.

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Maybe i could do a live stream. We shall see.

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Word of warning. Dont let kids watch. My language is not for the feint of heart haha

quaint arrow
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B u t. I also wouldnt be making so many accusations if they gave insight into what the devs were doing instead of keeping development locked behind paywalls ~^~

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covert stag
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So long as you dont mind the C word, where i'm from a typical morning greeting is "Morning ya **** ". And everyone and everything is one 🤣

round flint
# quaint arrow It isnt like we werent lied to before. My first example, this tweet. Almost ev...

As frustrated as I am as well with stuff, having %'s done means nothing. The longest part of coding is testing and refining, you can get the bases for stuff done easily and swiftly, then you spend 3x the amount of time bug fixing, tweaking and polishing. There's other things to 0 in that's not this, but I get the frustration. I think the devs keep neglecting to account for bug fixing/polishing time, and keep thinking cuz everything else is done, it's good. They don't have any prior experience with game deving other than this, and it kinda shows.

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Bio isle has a circular pond, which could represent a moon, though I'm honestly just betting it's doing dragon things, or has something to do with bugs because bios can't attack bugs, or be killed by bugs.

proper patio
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In swg, there were also unique skills you had to learn (with no way of knowing which ones) - so this makes me wonder if maybe the actions you do in the game should be based around the stats you choose? Like points in speed could mean lots of running in general? Just a thought 🙂

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But if its based on where you put Evo points thats a very unfair thing to dohaha

covert stag
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Oh but i am aware of the Bio island pond. Theres that one that has a glowing circular light in it. And yeah i have been drinking from there from time to time. Mostly when just passing by going from A-B-C haha

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I do want to be clear about something. I HOPE and WANT to be wrong in my assumption we are being lied to. Another reason i want to find this method is to get players back into the game. We NEED Elders to get A++ stats. And thats why many have quit (for now) playing.

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I want this game to succeed, I love Dragons. Ever since i was a child of 3-4 when i first watched Dragon Slayer (1981) happydragon

covert stag
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I remember all that. I was Patreon member before for a while but lost faith after almost 2 years no game update.

trail wagon
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Remember to keep on topic.

prisma mirage
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Anyway, besides passive eldering, the new eldering system has yet to be determined and proved its actually in the game or not. I'd like to think it is but I won't diminish those who are feeling doubtful. It looks like many of us are burnt out from trying and taking a break, myself included. But I'll be here for those who are still trying in hopes yall find something. bongolove

proper patio
# covert stag To be honest i havent actually tried drinking from only 1 water source, Well i d...

Your efforts are valiant! I recall Jao mentioning Echo with the map making, played no part regarding the elder system. I don't know that visiting specific locations or drinking spots would do it. But that said, I have had a heck of a time determining what to even try knowing that the map isn't involved or nesting - there literally isn't much else to do except exist, grow, move, consume, die (repeat)

trail wagon
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But remember to keep the thread on topic and don't put each other down for opposing views. This is supposed to be a thread about the New Elder System. Not about any other topic.
Keep it civil.

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prisma mirage
prisma mirage
# trail wagon But remember to keep the thread on topic and don't put each other down for oppos...

I apologize if my previous message was perceived as off-topic. I only intended to provide context on why some individuals might harbor doubts about the new elder system. I understand the importance of maintaining a respectful and inclusive discussion environment. However, if moderation is being applied, it should be consistent across all messages. Regarding Ulta's comment about paranoia and trust issues, which could be seen as dismissive or critical of differing viewpoints, I feel may not have been directly relevant to the topic at hand. Let's strive for fairness and mutual respect when making deletions and reminders in our discussions moving forward PuppyDoggoBoop Please and thank you ❤️

tardy perch
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It must be something time-based then is my guess.

prisma mirage
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Might be

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I don't know lol i feel like i tried everything

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Spent so many hours catsad i'm so burnt out

tardy perch
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Also if we are talking about fairness, then people should give evidence of the supposed 'lies' that there's no actual elder system in the game right now. Not having found it yet isn't evidence. Finding the code (or lack of) is. But not like anyone can do that without being banned.

I totally get why people are frustrated. And I'm not saying they should be, or downgrading them as a whole. My comments were specifically on the people who had no evidence and were thus basing their emotions on that instead of facts. That's all.

anyway, where's 1.0.1. Maybe I can get Jao to spill the beans. At this point what does it even matter anyway.

prisma mirage
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That is all i'm waiting for now. I look forward to figuring it out when that time comes

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We at least know it'll involve crystals this time

small sedge
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@tardy perch ^ Here are a couple statements where Jao is directly contradicting himself when talking about the new elder system. Not necessarily a lie that there is no system, but definitely raises large doubts that it's one where we actually do anything aside from logging in.

tardy perch
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I think you must have misunderstood what he said though

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He's hinting that the CURRENT system (whatever we are trying to find out atm) isn't active, but passive, which so far it's proven to be true with step 1 being passive elder via ticks. He plans to change to to being active, similar to what the elder shrooms were in legacy. A grindable method. And he made that decision after seeing how much people didn't like the steps so far.

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Jao is notorious for not being great with his wording imo. It takes extra effort ot really know what he's speaking, hence why I think he should leave the communications to someone else in his team lol.

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For all we know, maybe it relaly is 'just play the game'. Which you know, is entirely within his right to wanna try and do. It's not like he told us what the eldering system was gonna be like other than 'it's not mushroom hunting anymore'

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tardy perch
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Well I'm starting to this that step 3 where he says 'moon' might be something like 'After 15 moon, you'll (blank) yourself again.

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Sometimes people refer to 'moons' as a full day cycle

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'Many moons' and all that

slender arrow
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There no way anyone gonna stay on for 15 moons not saying that that’s the way but just saying again there nothing much to do soooo I ran around every spot around the map ..to force people to play for hours on game that has no content seems kinda bad but yeah idk at this point I’m all tapped out like I said lol 😂

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Pretty sure we are all at the point where we gonna just wait for the new system lol 😂

tardy perch
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Well i nthe long run when there IS content, it wouldn't feel so bad. But I agree, there isn't enough content atm to justify something like that, evne if the idea isn't terrible in it's own right. Also, 15 moons in game would not be as long as you seem to think...it's like 3 days of casual play a few hours a day.

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Almost a day of full playing since I think a full day in game is 2 hours?

small sedge
tardy perch
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What I think he meant is AFTER those 3 steps, the 'active' method unlocks

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We won't know until someone manages to do the whole process. By adding those 3 steps first, he did effectively make elders more rare, which was his intention.

small sedge
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Nobody is going to manage to do the whole process in whatever little time we have left before it's changed, and he's not going to tell us what it is because he wants to reuse it for something else. So there's no way for him to prove that there's anything aside from passive ticks.

tardy perch
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We'll see about that. I'll see if I can change his mind. I doubt reusing any of the mechanics in the current process will suddenly make them 'easier' to discover.

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'Play for x amount of time' is honestly not a ingenious mechanic, if it ends up being that anyway

small sedge
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I truly do wish you good luck on that. I really don't like having doubts when he's solely responsible for updates and would like to be able to take him at his word on things.

tardy perch
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I wish people would too. I feel like people are being severely unfair about all of this, and it's a dang videogame XD But alas. Maybe I can get throgu hto him. I did manage to tell him to make the compass visible all the tim eon the main game screen back when it was only on the character panel ^^;;

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Either way, if I fail...well oh well, I'll just have to hope 1.0.1 gets here soon and the method is finally at a nice happy middleground for most players. Jao will keep making his game no matter if people trust him or not at this point.

round flint
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" didn't like the steps so far" can't dislike what you don't know 😩 (I'm crying inside, realised this initially sounded dismissive which wasn't the intention was trynna come off silly)

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though tbh I don't mind the first step to unlocking admittedly, I do like the initial wait of "elder passively first" then after that it's easier

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I know not everyone's fond of it, but I actually like it, it means initially you need to dedicate time & patience, but after that then it's smooth sailing. Kind of rewards those who are dedicated initially.

prisma mirage
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I probably wouldn't mind it as much if I knew what the rest of the steps were kekw

tardy perch
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Same. But I'll deal with what I'm given for the time being. Either we'll be told it, someone will find it, or the method will forever be in obsurity in Jao's head only come 1.0.1 lol

steady rock
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What i'm worried about is his reason not to say what IT is, he makes IT seem like he's intending to use IT for something else later, and if we couldn't find IT now why does he think we Will later? And if IT Will be used for something like unlocking a stretchgoal dragon's Spawn ability, people Will be even madder Than now

round flint
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Yeah honestly idk what's going on in his head, if it's only him who knows & not even the other staff, how's he even know it's working.

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Do elder ticks give the same amount after eldering once? Or do they give a boosted amount?

runic prairie
round flint
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😭

fresh marsh
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went out of state for a month and a half, and now its a whole new group of people

stuck trench
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To believe there has ever been a new active eldering mechanic at this point is absurd, there is a reason it's going to be "changed" and never proven. Players in this community have been telling you from the start it was all a way to get people to keep playing the game, and unfortunately now it just seems that's more true with each passing day

hollow quarry
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imagine changing a system that no one could find out because they have to spend a month playing before they can 'unlock it.' and by the time people found out they have to passively elder, people stopped playing outside of the times they need to get elder ticks.

That announcement was and IS a red flag.

stuck trench
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Since its "changing" in the coming update, it's about time we were told what the mechanic is, if its not told to us and allowed to be proven its currently available in the state we were told it is by the community then the devs must be held accountable for lying to us all.

This isn't a current accusation of calling them liars yet, before the mods get all defensive, but we deserve to have the WHOLE truth now and before it's changed so that hours upon hours, nae months spent playing their game for the soul purpose of finding out what we were told is an available mechanic hasn't been entirely for nothing...

May the good lord help them if they have lied to us and don't allow us to prove the changing mechanic before the next patch/update

tardy perch
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I most certainly will NOT say the dev lied if he refuses to tell us the current method.

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Us not finding it doesn't prove it's not in. It just means we haven't found it. Now please quit bringing that up. It's a dead horse you are beating at this point and we'd rather fill this thread with theories and testing to the current method. Please stay on topic

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I'm pretty sure Jao is well aware that most people have given up by now. Which told him it needed to change if it was being too hard to find.

devout anvil
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it should've been an active method in the first place, like everyone was telling him before 1.0

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I am a little worried about camping, though

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the new method will involve crystals, and there are maybe 4-5 spots on the map that have crystals

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(i'm uplaying it a little, i've only seen 3 places with crystals)

languid spoke
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Well....the previous method wasn't campable, and that didn't work out. I'm curious what "non campable" method(s) people think it should be. Tho I'm starting to wonder if no matter what he makes the method if people are still going to complain about it.....

vital pewter
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atp from what i see of it, its only this way or that until actual substance is provided for a system to elder. there isn’t much to do in the game as is, and if eldering was always supposed to fit into the gameplay loop… SIDEEYE

tardy perch
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the 'previous' method was campable, the elder shrooms anyway. This current method (or at least step 1), wasn't. It's going to be a fine balance to make it not-campable yet also be not a slog to do. But I'm also one of the few people who liked passive eldering, evne if it doesn't fit into the game well atm (I can later, when more content is in and we play the game normally just to play it)

languid spoke
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I wasn't referring to the mushrooms, I'm calling the "current" method the previous since it is being changed

prisma mirage
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Honestly I'm mainly waiting to see what he does with the questing system once implemented. Iirc, he wanted to implement an elder system with questing. Once that is in, that could help make it uncampable and grindy.

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covert stag
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Well that as they say is that. i have just completed my theory of accumulating over 24 hours of login time with a single adult dragon that was a re-spawn from passive elder. Was actually closer to 30 hours. I am done. Wasted enough of my time trying to figure this out for the DoD community. I am 99.9% sure there is no other method. Sorry if that upsets you, please do prove me wrong.

steady rock
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even IF there is an active system we didn't found yet holding back the information will give him no gain...the reason he's not telling is because he "wants to use it on something else" but if people didn't find it now they won't find it next time and this whole circus will start over, and people won't be this patient the 2nd time (yes this IS still being patient from the majority of the community)

languid spoke
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that's not an instant guarantee that it can't be found for a different purpose

tardy perch
prisma mirage
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I don't think it is unreasonable that some of the community has doubts. Rocky communication can be the cause but let's not start this again and keep on topic. It's tiring to see all the fighting and it isn't going to make things better. If people state they don't think it is in the game then let them state that. They are entitled to their own opinion. Let's stay on topic.

tardy perch
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Well okay we CAN prove it's there if someone finds it.

#

I'm just replying to what someone was saying to me directly. I too do not want to beat this dead horse anymore

covert stag
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Then do it

tardy perch
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I want to spent my time doing something else.

#

Not my fault trying to find the eldering method isn't fun XD

slender arrow
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Cuz I tried it all

prisma mirage
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Understandable but I think continuing to argue about doubt and weather or not people think he is lying is also beating a dead horse. It won't get us anywhere so it's best to let them state their opinion and move on.

covert stag
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Anyhoo later folks. I shall return when the next update arrives.

tardy perch
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Except the same people are stating the same thing over and over

slender arrow
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And my boy mactalisker as done it all too lol 😂

prisma mirage
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Let keep looking at ideas on what it could be

tardy perch
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My guess right now is you have to be your elder for a certain amount of time. I'm just wanting to play other stuff more fun atm.

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tardy perch
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At least I think that's what step 3 is.

#

I'm not sure about step 2.

slender arrow
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Get on and let’s figure this thing out together

tardy perch
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My elder is on Guardian Dragons server. Is yours?

slender arrow
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Nope but I could jump on

#

Is it private or

tardy perch
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It's a 2x growth server so it's the fastest way to grow and elder atm

#

It's unofficial but not like password-protected

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tardy perch
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Yes I can. Eldering isn't exclusive to official servers

languid spoke
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growth speed doesn't negate eldering ability

slender arrow
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No but the method from what (jeo) said is

languid spoke
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just helps speed it up lol

#

nope

slender arrow
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He literally

languid spoke
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only admin grows hurt eldering

slender arrow
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Said

tardy perch
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Admin grows negate it. I didn't get admin grown

slender arrow
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In here

languid spoke
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server speed does not

tardy perch
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I grew myself and passive eldered all natural

slender arrow
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So since you got there faster you haven’t solved it yet ?

tardy perch
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You misunderstood what he said. Getting admin grows is very different from using the game's nature settings to speed up growth times.

#

Correct. I haven't relaly been dedicated to the task because it's not that fun to play atm

slender arrow
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Hmmm 🤔

#

Interesting

tardy perch
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I got to elder on my ASD, did a few things, and that was it so far. But I didn't get on since he gave those 3 step hints

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Step two is where I'm trying to figure out. But with no in-game alerts to if I'm on the right track or not, it's difficult to know other than 'do everything'. I'm saving killing the elder for last.

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I was hoping that I could figure out step 2, but sadly my theory proved wrong.

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So now I just have to do ALL the things, then when I think I've done it all, I'll off the elder, regrow a new one, and I guess let it exist for a certain amount of time. If I somehow find it over the people who immediately off'ed their elder, then that'll show something ELSE is step 2 (not killing your elder)

slender arrow
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I wanna say something but don’t take it the wrong way ..this is why people like me or others that are trying to figure it out claim it to be a lie. because we are actually on even tho it’s boring trying to figure it out. At least my self iv sent hours on my elder then killing it then many more hours after running around …so once you spend hours your self like im talking 5 - 6 hours doing nothing on game that has nothing then you will understand why we (those of us ) that are trying to figure it out feel like there is no method. again I’m trying to say this in a non-aggressive way just stating facts

languid spoke
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it's the frustration of not figuring it out, but to turn that frustration onto someone and say "they lied" is generally where the line should be drawn. i get it, it's annoying when you can't figure something out no matter how much time you've put in. and it is easy to simply blame it on someone else.

i have not dedicated the time to eldering that many have. i have focused on upstatting, which is arguably just as difficult and time consuming lol). so, i get it. but i think it would help a lot more if everyone would take a breath and step back before crossing that line

tardy perch
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Oh I never said it wasn't frustrating. It's as Ealasaid said. The line should be drawn at claiming 'lies' at it all.

#

This can be done SO much better. At the very least Jap needs to add a way for the game to tell you your on the right track. But outside of step 1, we really don't have alerts for anything else. I would think someone would have found it by now.

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Hmmmm so Rusty, you already offed your elder once. And you got a new elder by now? Cuz my theory is if your elder dying is step 2, step 3 is growing to a new elder and existing as it for a certain number of game days.

languid spoke
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a little notification that you completed a step would be convenient, any sort of notification at that

tardy perch
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And if my mathing is correct...I think an entire game day in DoD is...2 hours?

#

Unfortunately evne on a 2x growth server, I think 1.0.1 will be out before I regrow a new elder lol

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languid spoke
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i would hope we have the time. quality over quantity

tardy perch
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I can try it then. I have some games I can play with DoD running in the background.

#

Though I wonder what more I should do on my ASD before offing it. I've done almost every mechanic except nesting.

languid spoke
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i could come join you ulta, after work if you're on. i'd have to grow from bb tho i don't have any on that server

slender arrow
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I will say tho will never truly know if the method was in or not (because he said he wasn’t gonna tell us ) so when the new system comes out will never truly know and that’s just a fact ..but changing topics now hoping that the new system won’t be a thing you camp but him saying it evolves crystal welp will just have to see when it’s out

tardy perch
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That's fine too if you want. I was doing that for a while until I got fed up with people crying 'lies' =(

#

It breaks my heart seeing this happen to who I truly beleive is innocent of these accusations.

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tardy perch
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Depends. If he takes his time with 1.0.1, we might have more time than we think lol

slender arrow
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Only time will tell right

tardy perch
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I don't mind him taking his time with 1.0.1 XD Til lthen, I play games, as I usually do lol

languid spoke
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i personally hope he takes his time, i prefer a quality update over a rushed one

tardy perch
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DoD isn't my life. If it was, I'd have a sky blue name by now lol

slender arrow
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Yeah I rather something be done right then rushed too

tardy perch
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The saying is 'quality over quantity'

naive otter
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or what i'd like to say. quality over bugs bioheart

languid spoke
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exactly

#

unless Ulta hollers at me to come join on guardian dragons for testing, i'm going to wait for the next update before getting into it

tardy perch
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DO IT! lol jk. I don't think I need help. Do as you wish

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tardy perch
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what a place to hear the saying from haha

languid spoke
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i'm not opposed to helping, gives me something to do and typically the more people the less boring it can get to grind something

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tardy perch
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Other than doing a nest with my elder, I'm not too certian what more to do before I kill it and regrow back to elder.

#

I don't think it's anything like that XD Existing for hours I can believe. Howling for hours? Naaaah

languid spoke
slender arrow
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If you try anything under the moon do it in elder forest 🌳 first. Is the one place I havnt been to since my Brain got fried from trying other things in other locations

languid spoke
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isn't elder forest a player name tho

tardy perch
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First I wanna examine the step two hint more.

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languid spoke
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i don't think many did lol

tardy perch
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# # # that which you've # # # # #

#

We are pretty sure the # is a letter, so there's a 4 letter word first. Some think it's 'kill'. But there's other 4 letter words.

#

Given the context, it's a verb

languid spoke
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and can be done alone......

proper patio
tardy perch
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Cull fits too, which is basiclaly another word for kill. I'm looking through a huge list of words lol

#

It makes sense if the 3 steps unlocks something, meaning you wouldn't nede ot do the 3 steps again after you did it once.

languid spoke
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kill
hunt

tardy perch
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People seem to think this 3 steps is needed EVERYTIME you elder. It isn't. It would make no sense that way since you'd just...have an elder by step 2 anyway

proper patio
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That is a LONG time to spend on that tho which is why I'm so doubtful lol but it's a theory none the less I guess

#

Well that's the thing, we have no confirmation that is a one time deal per server. It's still possible it's unique to each dragon

tardy perch
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It's would be long yeah, but it efectively makes a 'fast' way to elder nay impossible, and he DID want elders to be more rare than they were.

#

Gotta put in work if the thing you unlock is a faster way to elder.

proper patio
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Sure I don't disagree, but there is such thing as too much 😵‍💫

tardy perch
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Heh yeah...

proper patio
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If that ended up being the actual system I can admit I'd stop trying 😭 but that's me I guess

tardy perch
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Okay so...still looking, but these are the words so far that fit to me for step 2.

Kill, Cull, Call, ....cook? (lawl)

#

I'm going alphabeitically so far, give me time lol

proper patio
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Oh and on a more positive note I found a website FULL of 3 letter words, I'll share it here if I'm able!

tardy perch
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I need 4 and 6 letter words lol

languid spoke
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bruh lol.........ok ok

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kill
hunt
bonk
nest
seek

i'm stumped, and some are not solo

tardy perch
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Date...lol date that which you've become XD

languid spoke
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😂

#

date yourself yes

tardy perch
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Love yourself always haha. (or it's saying nest with another elder). I don't think it's that but I will nest anyway just in case

wild shore
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Play fits there too which works with the theory of spending time as a passive elder first

tardy perch
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Drug....lol make yourself 100% sick as elder

#

Play works too yeah. Several people have done that at least.

#

I swear 'become is the other blank word.

languid spoke
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my thoughts too

tardy perch
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It just seems ot come naturally. But I need to open up that it might be something else.

wild shore
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I’ve spent a good few hours on my elder but there’s no way to tell anything came of it or not lol

tardy perch
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Harm is another word. I've already gotten my elder to 1% health from fall damage so I did that already

#

Join is another

#

Keep as well

languid spoke
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mmm, keep that which you have become

tardy perch
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I'm finding a lot of works that point to either offing oneself, nesting, or staying alive

#

Still looking though. I'm in the P letters

languid spoke
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😂

tardy perch
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Rest is another. That's easy to do and we do that on log-off anyway so I did it

languid spoke
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oh yea, could be sleeping a certain amount of time

tardy perch
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Sass and scam are just funny, even though I know it's not those lol

languid spoke
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cause growing is tiring lol

#

scam that which you have become "hi we've been trying to reach you about your dragons extended warranty"

tardy perch
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Soak...I'll make sure to bath my elder some more, though I know I did that. I like the 'wet' look too much

languid spoke
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same haha

tardy perch
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Okay so I went through all the 4 letter verbs. Now...the 6 letter word...that which you've.....is that another verb I guess right? Nouns don't fit there.

languid spoke
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mmmm

tardy perch
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I'm finding a lot less words that fit here. It's for sure a verb though. But this is good. So like make sense so maybe I'll get lucky. Still think it's become so far

languid spoke
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i'm on team become too

tardy perch
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On page 5 of 37 for 6 letter words lol...one sec

languid spoke
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omg

#

too many pages

tardy perch
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Caused is a word that's stickign to me. But only cuz I makes sense with the rest of the sentence. But what would a player 'cause' ...it's probably not that.

languid spoke
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i'm not sure on caused, unless you caused the elder lol

tardy perch
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Denied is another

#

Yet another word that works, but not as much in context to the game. Since yo ucan't deny much

#

Earned is another point for 'become'.

#

Gonna take a small break for a moment though. Got chores to do

languid spoke
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i think you're making progress

tardy perch
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But to sum it up, So far far wording seems to hint at either killing your elder, LIVING x amount of time as elder, nesting with said elder, or fighting with said elder. With the weird outliers being going for a swim with said elder, or resting.

languid spoke
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not bad

small sedge
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Nesting and fighting would normally make sense as a mechanic to unlock, but not with Jao saying it's soloable / has nothing to do with nesting/pvp. 🤔

languid spoke
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true, sadly

small sedge
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I hope it doesn't have anything to do with resting/sleeping, because more idle/afk unlock requirements would be so annoying at this point 😂

languid spoke
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well you "rest" to regain stam faster. and i doubt he'd have it be some inordinate amount of time

small sedge
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I'd love to doubt that too, but after the amount of time he required for us to spend getting through just the first step.. halp

languid spoke
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normal time to elder passively? so....normal lol

small sedge
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55 days at minimum cringeasf

languid spoke
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and lol

tardy perch
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Depends on if you can grab both ticks daily and if you are on a normal server or a 2x growth one.

small sedge
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well, for the big kids at least. "Only" about a month with ASD but that's still assuming you're able to log in for each and every tick

languid spoke
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so what you're saying is that you prefer the elder method was fast

small sedge
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No, I'd prefer if it was a method that wasn't boring af 😂 Or, if it is going to be something where ticks are involved, something where there's anything to do to pass the time in-game.

#

And before anyone says "nesting", nesting is basically just a waiting simulator where you're either beating up pathetic bugs if you're a male or sitting on a nest lmao

#

If I could zip off and get up to shenanigans with various AI enemies for entertainment, do quests, or have more than the occasional puddle of water out in the environment to interact with? Probably would have a different opinon on passive eldering entirely.

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And I don't think it's just that I'm neurodivergent that I find passive eldering to be mind-numbingly boring.

languid spoke
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i don't mind passive at all as part of a step in the system. i personally wouldn't mind if nesting was part of it. i'm also on board with elders being rare. so the process to get one is either going to be slow, difficult, both, fast & difficult (not sure he'd go that route but who knows), or any other option/combo that means getting elder isn't fast and easy

prisma mirage
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I personally don't necessarily mind passive eldering however I see that it doesn't necessarily work for everyone. On the other hand, I would very much prefer it was more interactive as I feel that would make it more rewarding. Having to put in the work to elder would be nice vs just logging in for a tick. I'm also down with the idea of having both options.

tardy perch
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the elder mushrooms weren't terrible outside of the camping issue. Otherwise they were just fine as a method imo

small sedge
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Again, it's not necessarily the passive part that I mind. If I can get into a game I will spend hundreds of hours playing. I started V Rising just 3 weeks ago, for example, and I've got over 160 hours under my belt already.
The part I mind is that right now, there is nothing that makes me want to play. Nothing that scratches my brain in just the right spot. Just starting out and learning to play for a while was ok, figuring out the mechanics tickled my brain, but after a point it stops being fun for me. There are no active challenges. I can't work on battle strategies because the biggest threat to me is 1) glitched takeoff where my dragon breaks an ankle and 2) dinky little spidercrabs that can't reach my hitbox

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and inb4 "you play PvE of course it'll be boring," those 160+ hours on V Rising are also on a PvE server. 😂

#

There's just things to DO. Bosses to fight that unlock additional skills, crafting recipes to learn, resources to gather to make those recipes, etc etc

tardy perch
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It's fine, I also know the game isn't content-heavy enough for passive eldering to really 'feel' rewarding. Eventually that'll change though hopefully. I still am waiting for pearls and quests

wraith flame
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Helloo ive been reading since way back but haven’t read any messages as of lately but was the new eldering system removed by jao?
I had seen a youtuber say that since its too difficult to figure out they were removing it or something like that?

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Im aware of the passive way of doing it but i meant as in the one he confirmed as of a few months ago

tardy perch
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It's not removed. People just think it is because no one's really confirmed it yet.

#

We're just not sure wha tthe whole process is yet.

#

In other news...uhhh looks like I'm gonna be regrowing my elder. I took fall damage and then while running onward I tripped over a scrab that killed my elder XD Gonna regrow it and see if I find anything.

wraith flame
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Is there any leads at the moment?

tardy perch
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Not yet. But I'm on Guardian Dragons as my 'test' server since it has 2x growth.

#

I'm adult ASD already. Gonna work on passive ticks next while I just explore around as this new adult.

#

I'm gonna stay online for as long as I can. It's daytime in the game atm. The 'moon' hint...I swear that's either you howl at it, shoot at it, or you exist for so many 'moons'. Or something can be 'found' while it's nighttime.

wraith flame
tardy perch
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I don't mind at all

wraith flame
tardy perch
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I'm all the way near fallen log

small sedge
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I have to wonder if boosted growth servers are considered "cheating" like admin grows reythonk Jao specifically said admin grows won't count, has anyone asked/seen an answer about boosted growth rates?

languid spoke
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They're not. They still count towards eldering with no penalty

small sedge
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So just to clarify then, admin grows don't get passive ticks? Or did Jao specifically say boosted servers are fine somewhere?

languid spoke
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any dragon grown by admins will not unlock the eldering system as it is now

#

they will still get passive ticks, but it will not unlock the next step

small sedge
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Okay, so how do we know the same is not true of the boosted servers? Did Jao specifically say boosted servers are fine somewhere?

languid spoke
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he has never mentioned boosted servers that i can recall. but what he has said in this thread is that admin grows negate the actual process. i can ask for clarification tho

small sedge
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Yeah I think that'd be important information to know for sure. Both methods shorten growth time so if admin growth is considered cheating, he may also consider boosted servers under that same umbrella and have any possible additional unlocks blocked to boosted growth elders.

naive otter
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he has never mentioned other servers being unavaible for eldering. that would be a player lock indeed. and not very community based if you think about it

#

he wanted it for everyone to do. on any server!

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languid spoke
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which is why i'm asking for clarification on it

#

even tho i'm pretty sure it doesn't not affect it

slender arrow
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Yeah we don’t know tho

small sedge
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I still think it would be good information to know for certain, regardless of the answer. Thanks for looking into it for us, Ealasaid!

slender arrow
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He has to say if it does or doesn’t

#

Till then we don’t know

languid spoke
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it's my opinion, it can be irrelevant to you that's fine

naive otter
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still doesnt make sense for it to not be avaliable on other servers. it would be irrelevant to being community based. if it was officials only. lots of people would be struggling. so its gotta be for all servers

#

its in the code specifically. its kinda hard to make it official server based anyways

small sedge
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There are unofficial servers without boosted growth though, right?

slender arrow
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Form our last conversation what I got out of it was boosted servers couldn’t elder but Yeha

naive otter
#

correct so even then boosted growth shouldnt affect anything

#

its not like its an admin grow anyways and it only boosts it up by a little bit. still takes time to grow

slender arrow
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Sorry not couldn’t elder but couldn’t unlock the elder method

slender arrow
#

It wouldn’t matter right ?

languid spoke
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by the settings you're not supposed to put it at that

naive otter
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the only thing i will assume that will stop anything is the adult spawn servers

slender arrow
naive otter
#

those that make you automatically an elder basically.

languid spoke
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2x

naive otter
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there's 1x (default), 1.5x and 2x

slender arrow
#

And is this a official thing or just speculation

languid spoke
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the growth speeds?

naive otter
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official growth boost

languid spoke
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they're server settings

naive otter
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not on the official servers, but these are boosts made by them. if you understand what i mean

#

im bad at english sometimes q.q

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small sedge
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I'm not talking official vs unofficial, but since one way of speeding things up (admin grow) blocks someone from unlocking, there's the possibility that another way of speeding things up (boosted growth) might also block someone. I don't think we need to fight over this, def not anything to get up in arms about by any means. Just something that would be good to have an answer on one way or the other so that people that are on boosted servers know if they have a chance at discovering the method during the remaining time prior to 1.0.1

slender arrow
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If I bought a server how much could I boost it was all

languid spoke
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scarlett is right. officials are default 1.0 growth

server settings are customizable to the other listed speeds

#

nodecraft hosting lets you choose the speed

slender arrow
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My point is if I could buy a server were I could boost the setting I could theoretically fine the eldering system first before anyone

#

Since im on a boosted server

languid spoke
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someone did go into their settings and boost the speed way up. to like, disco party level. in order to passive faster

slender arrow
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Then I could take that information to a official server were my friends are and share the secret of Elder

small sedge
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disco party level 😂

languid spoke
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i don't know how else to describe day and night flashing by that fast 😂

#

seizure level?

small sedge
slender arrow
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lol 😂

small sedge
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but yeah like... considering you can boost it that much, I don't personally see why that would be allowed but not admin grows. But maybe I'm wrong 😂

languid spoke
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i think because it would be more server setting vs command

#

but as soon as i get an answer i shall share

slender arrow
small sedge
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Kinda hope I am because it'd stink since I know quite a few of our investigators are on boosted servers

slender arrow
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So people on boosted server could be wasting there time

#

For all we know

languid spoke
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also, no idea how to go into the actual file for the settings an change that. i just use the config screen on node

small sedge
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Hopefully we get an answer soon tho 🤞

languid spoke
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i'm patiently awaiting one

tardy perch
#

I'll ask Jao about the 2x server growth boost thing.

languid spoke
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that's what i did lol

tardy perch
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I think when it comes to server settings, if it's anything like ARK, it's through a .ini config file you can edit. Though most server hosts have a UI for it

languid spoke
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oh yea, i only messed with the .ini for BoB, not DoD

tardy perch
#

I gtg but I'll resume my testing when I can

#

Will slowly work on eldering yet again too while I do stuff

languid spoke
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i'll make it to adult at least hopefully 😂

tardy perch
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If you want, grow a flyer too. Cuz I'd love a flyer to help me make sure I can't get lost in elder forest

languid spoke
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ooh, yea.....mmmm i'll see if i can snag an ss eggo

tardy perch
#

that works

#

Bio cna grow in like 15 minutes on this server XD

languid spoke
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true, but since they don't "elder" i was gonna skip one. but for the sake of aerial support i can

tardy perch
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Do as you wish. It doesn't matter which flyer really

#

okay brb

languid spoke
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be safe!

wraith flame
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Its sunset now waiting for it to hit night

pliant yoke
#

btw we already know its 'kill/lose that which youve become'

#

how do ppl forget it so fast 😂

mint tulip
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Because alot of people are refusing to believe it is that for some reason

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so realistically we just need to figure out step 3

hollow quarry
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i think its the fact those who passively hit elder, couldnt find out the active eldering after dying to regrow. Was it too hard? Maybe. However, the fact of the matter is that since youre changing the elder system, why not tell us what the next step is? Since we ALL know the update isnt gonna be coming out anytime soon.

barren cave
pliant yoke
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Yes.

barren cave
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Hmm, cool, ty👍

steady rock
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I wouldn't say hard confirmed, but knowing Jao's think of thought I wouldn't be surprised, so it's more like a Strong suggestion

proper patio
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Let people try what they want. They already know that killing your elder is a possibility/theory for step 2

small sedge
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Yeah, asking a question isn't confirmation that we're on the right track with that theory. imo it's the only thing that really makes sense though.

  • Since you'd already be an elder, you wouldn't know if you discovered an additional elder method since there's no way to see if your growth % is affected.
  • Since it's a soloable method, you don't need an elder to guide adult dragons through whatever the method is.
  • It's also not possible to play two dragons from the same account simultaneously, so again, requiring an elder present with an adult while playing solo isn't feasible.
    So "lose what you have become" makes absolute sense to me in the context of his hints, and we can def take Jao's interest of "what did you do after that?" as a possible hint that we're on the right track, but 100% it's not hard confirmation of "oh yes you guys are right that's step 2"
tardy perch
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I have receive personal confirmation from Jao that yes, 2x growth speed servers ARE safe for the eldering method. They don't discredit it like admin grows do.

steady rock
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Thank god, that would be torture othetwise, making the option useless entirely

tardy perch
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Thank goodness indeed XD

small sedge
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Relieved for our boosted researchers ablobsweats

tardy perch
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lol it means I can get back to researching with peace of mind. Speaking of, better go grab my tick

arctic scarab
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maybe if we die as elder, we got ticks sooner ?

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like fast progress, not 12h, maybe 8 or smth

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my one elder asd just died, so im gonna test it out

steady rock
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I think someone already tested that and ticks were the same

tardy perch
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I didn't test that before so it wasn't me

steady rock
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IT wasn't even long ago, lemme try and find it

steady rock
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languid spoke
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cause being told isn't enough?

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if she says he told her, then he did

tardy perch
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Wow you don't beleive me?

slender arrow
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No didn’t you say we require proof lol

tardy perch
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Very well

slender arrow
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Nah I’m just saying

languid spoke
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i mean, first thing you said was "do you have proof" so that suggests you require it

slender arrow
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I told people I was elder first thing they said was prove it

languid spoke
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that's because there were trolls here claiming to be elder when they weren't. not claiming Jao said something and he hadn't

tardy perch
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I'm not sure I want to show you because you are literally being a butt

slender arrow
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Lmfao 🤣

tardy perch
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But I'll show Ealasaid

slender arrow
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Any time

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Jeo has confirmed somthing we have proof it so when people troll we can show them

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Why would not wanna post it on here

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To show people that have. Doubt

tardy perch
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I'll show it. But I'm deleting it once you see it, because I don't think people appreciate being shown PRIVATE DM's dude

languid spoke
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did you ever consider that not all correspondances are available for sharing

slender arrow
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???

languid spoke
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i wouldn't share it here personally

mint tulip
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remember rusty won't trust anyone

languid spoke
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screenshots happen fast

tardy perch
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Actually yeah you are right. I DON'T need ot show it

slender arrow
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How is showing 2 messages asking him if 2x servers are effect or not and him saying no is bad ??? Please someone explain that to me

tardy perch
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I'll just find elder and prove it that way on an unofficial server

languid spoke
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if your word isn't enough then that's on everyone else for not listening

cold crest
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Personally, I would ask the other person/people before sharing a DM

tardy perch
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I'll ask Jao then

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mint tulip
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not really rusty

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being a developer doesn't automatically mean you lose all privacy

tardy perch
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What baffle sme is why you think I'm LYING Rusty lol

cold crest
slender arrow
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I’m not asking him for the secret to eldering lol it’s literally confirmation if a 2x server is effect by the elder method

tardy perch
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I've literally worked with BeAwesome and helped design your dang Biolumin. Why would I lie about this. For some sort of sick thrill?

cold crest
slender arrow
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Fair enough

tardy perch
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I'm being respectful. It's only respectful to ask someone if something that was told in private sharing to be made public

slender arrow
tardy perch
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I just knew I'd get an answer from him sooner than I could convince him to post here because he's avoiding this channel

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So you know....YOUR WELCOME!?

languid spoke
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OMG, she ASKED HIM because YOU wanted proof. now you're gonna get mad he answered?

tardy perch
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This is what happens when you are NICE and respectful to a dev. They trust you

mint tulip
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have you considered you are part of the problem as to why jao isn't here talking to us rusty?

slender arrow
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I’m part of the problem

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When I spent countless hours

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Trying to figure out eldering

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Yep your right

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What have you done ?

tardy perch
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That all crumbles when you display such blatent unwarranted distrust

vagrant orbit
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it's not unwarranted imo

tardy perch
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I designed your dang bio dragon

languid spoke
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that kind of attitude towards devs and other players is part of the issue. the not believing, it never being enough. immediately to "where's the proof" "oh he's lying" etc

tardy perch
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That's what I did

slender arrow
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How is asking for proof about somthing bad ?

naive otter
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you asked for an answer. you got someone to help you ask your answer without the dev needing to really be here. ulta is a very trustworthy person. like i've known them from the beginning sooo

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i trust their word

mint tulip
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by claiming they are a liar and in general being a jerk about it

tardy perch
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In THIS case? IT's bad because I foudn out through private DM,s which isn't something I want to break Jao's trust over. And you DON'T beleive me

mint tulip
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acting entitled as all get out

languid spoke
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we've all been here from the get go with the rest of you trying to figure out the system

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and to act like we'd lie is just rude

tardy perch
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I just won't post it for now, unles Jao says it's fine. Trying to help the guy avoid the channels that are disheartening him unneeded.

mint tulip
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don't get me wrong I want jao to tells us and am frustrated as hell about it and but you don't see me constantly whining about "lying"

naive otter
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agreed

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i would rather NOT know than people complain about knowing

languid spoke
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those responses make people not want to share information they do get. because why bother when that's the reaction you receive

tardy perch
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Speaking of, I should get back on and such

naive otter
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cold crest
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There's nothing wrong with asking for proof, but keep in mind that it may take some time for the evidence to be posted if it's from a private source (such as a DM). It may not get posted at all if the other person doesn't agree to it.

slender arrow
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For someone reason everyone got butt hurt ? lol

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Like it’s the internet bro stop being soft

mint tulip
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go back to 4chan

tardy perch
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We gave you the reason lol. You just seem to be ignoring or not respecting it

languid spoke
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we're not butthurt, we're all tired of the constant disrespect towards the devs of a game everyone here plays

slender arrow
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You could choose to ignore it

tardy perch
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I answer because you so desperately seem to want to be answered

cold crest
tardy perch
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Oh yeah, I should ignore you...really? XD

mint tulip
tardy perch
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Anyway, I'm gonna get back to elder sniffing.

naive otter
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good luck ulta! may the derg kings/queens be with ya

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# cold crest Let's not please

That isn’t the first time they done. That last time I was made fun of for my profile picture but I’m not bad person lol 😂

tardy perch
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That was in reply to going to 4chan. No one wants to go back to 4chan lol

naive otter
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some people can be disheartening but it doesnt mean spread it to others who are willing to help. but anyways back on topic! how is elder progress be going. besides being slow and nonfruitful. any ideas we've yet to try?

lost lichen
tardy perch
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Well yesterday I was trying to literally search up words that fit in the step 2 and 3 hint. I've deduced that step 2 is most like either survive x amount of time as elder, Lose it, or nest with it. I oops died not long after getting eldering so now I'm re-eldering in hopes 'lose' your elder was it. Which is our heavy suspicion thanks to someone's post earlier

cold crest
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Everyone is welcome to come up with ideas/suggestions and discuss theories, but if it's getting too much, take a step back.

If you find you're getting stressed out or upset from this, mute the channel.

Getting heated towards each other isn't going to help anyone bioheart

placid anchor
naive otter
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i trust jao. sorry. you dont. im trying to stay on topic

languid spoke
tardy perch
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Now you can start passive eldering it lol

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But I do still want a flyer buddy

naive otter
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my ASD is about 53% elder. i was a bit too lazy the last few days

languid spoke
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let me hop on and get my bio to adult for you Ulta

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# lost lichen You may not be a bad person, but your way of speaking is irritating. it's not th...

I’m not gonna change how I talk just because people are soft and wine. You have a chose to ignore it I don’t attack anyone personally yet every time people on here when they lose in argument attack me in personally so it is what it is idc I don’t do the passive aggressive thing I just speak how I speak is all and I share my opinion on stuff that I seee take it how you want or don’t respond it’s the internet

slender arrow
tardy perch
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Frankily, I don't care if you don't believe me or not Rusty. At least everyone else will have peace of mind but you, which is unfortunate.

smoky valley
slender arrow
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That’s cool lol

tardy perch
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lol Midnight over here going 'Oh don't mind me...'

slender arrow
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So long as I’m following the discord rules I can talk in whatever tone I want

naive otter
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i was about to say she be waitin. :3

tardy perch
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If I show Midnight the proof and she verifies it, will that help? XD I can trust Midnight

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And suuuuurely if Midnight says 'yeah 2x servers work' is that fine? Did I need a dev colored name to be beleivable? (I for sure know that won't work regardless for some lol)

naive otter
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she's like gib! i'll verify bioheart

tardy perch
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I'll gib to her then

slender arrow
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I genuinely don’t understand what’s wrong for asking for proof lol 😂

naive otter
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i honestly believed that 2x servers should be totally fine still. always been in my mind i believe that it would be fine

cold crest
languid spoke
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that's what i was saying yesterday, but people wanted proof then lol so

slender arrow
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It would literally shut anyone up that thinks other wise

naive otter
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midnight best helper when it comes to things like this. the best!

mint tulip
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would it though?

tardy perch
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there I sent it to her

naive otter
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if it makes people stop thinking its only official servers then yeah. i think so

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steady rock
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i'm not siding with either sides, because I think Rusty was a bit abrasive, but on the Other Hand people wanting proof isn't unwarranted, when Jao clearly avoids his community and getting info offhanded, even with the Best Intentions can be misleading (ever played the Gossip game?)
Blaming the community for being untrusting when they don't realy have a reason to trust is wrong. I'm sure Jao doesn't want to intentionaly mislead us, but the Way he acts doesn't help...with all the missed deadlines, exclusive hints for patreon (what were shared here thankfully bioheart ) and vague devblogs people can't take the "just trust me, bro" anymore

slender arrow
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I stick to my guns and fact but if someone proves me wrong I’m man enough to say I’m wrong

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But instead when people get annoyed I get personally attacked lol it’s funny

naive otter
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personally im on the side that thinks its on the other servers with different growths because it wouldnt really be community based. it would be considered a lock of progress if it ever was. think about it and you'll find your answers simply

tardy perch
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Then BeAwesome needs to hire me so that people cna beleive me when I say stuff. Lovely XD

steady rock
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Tbh I believe you more As long As you're independent XD

languid spoke
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sad that we'd need a certain color name to be believed when we've been here the whole time lol

mint tulip
cold crest
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tardy perch
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I try to be. But I'm also very....what's the word...I try to be more positive about things moreso than I do playing 'devil's advocate' for the side that might make someone look bad.

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I know that's not exactly equal, but most of the time I speak up when I see TOO much of the other side.

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I'm on record to telling Jao he made some dumb decisions. I was the first in line when the nesting nerf happened you know lol

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And yeah that's fine, I know a dev's word is taking higher than a community person. I'm not offended at all =)

cold crest
tardy perch
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Rusty just clearly doesn't know me very well is all

slender arrow
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When I asked you for proof it wasn’t personal I don’t know you

tardy perch
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Well it was because the DM where the proof was, WAS personal. That's about it

slender arrow
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I just asked because I wanted confirmation whether you shared it or not was about to you

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But then this whole thing went side ways lol 😂

cold crest
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It's hard to tell tone over text sometimes. It can appear differently to how it was intended