#New Elder System

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pliant yoke
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we already tried that

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smash one moon you'll love yourself again

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šŸ˜‚

stray notch
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yall gotta ask jao

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its kinda tricky question

pliant yoke
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you can ask him

stray notch
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"why cant bio elder"

pliant yoke
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you ping him

covert stag
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Nope im at 6.2% ASD after Eldering and theres beenno difference so far. tried 2 ticks so far with moon out

stray notch
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no im not XD

pliant yoke
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who dares to ping jao

stray notch
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i would only if i have a juicy fat question that is worth it

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wont do that to ask "is it survive 1 moo- no."

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now i just wasted a jao ping

pliant yoke
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šŸ˜‚

stray notch
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nah i'd ask for real the whole word bro lmao

pliant yoke
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stay realistic bro

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hed never tell us a whole word

stray notch
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not for disrespect... but IM DONW WITH THIS BRO

stray notch
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we now know the number of # matches letters

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so we ask for a hint to the step its self, so we can guess both words

pliant yoke
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then whatd you ask him

stray notch
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'pls rhino, god of all dragons, we honor you and would love another hint, we've grinded for hours and even days now.. please jao tell us atleast tell us any hint regarding the 3rd step, we would appreciate that, thank you mr. rhino and have a wonderfull day our hero!'

pliant yoke
stray notch
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bro ima alt f4

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you want ME to take this SS to exploring no.

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pliant yoke
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possible cave entrance soon

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wide canopy
pliant yoke
stray notch
wide canopy
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But. Rerolling-?

stray notch
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also rushed out didnt reroll for spowned good stats

wide canopy
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Ah

stray notch
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its a fighter i just wanted the blood line lol

pliant yoke
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you must continue to help us find smth on the map for now tamim!

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šŸ˜‚

stray notch
wide canopy
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theres nothing On the map!

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Its non campable

stray notch
wide canopy
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Istg didnt someone say that jao confirmed it WASNT a map thing and a mechanic of its complete own

stray notch
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bro hear me out

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its something done at a spot and effects all people around

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its something that isnt actually - WAIT

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what the

wide canopy
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If it effects PEOPLE AROUND then thats not good

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That makes it campable

stray notch
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wasnt it confirmed to be client sided?!?????

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yes?!

wide canopy
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Idk

pliant yoke
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what does that mean

stray notch
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why were people saying its server sided

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who said that

wide canopy
pliant yoke
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whats client sided

stray notch
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who's spreading misinformaion

pliant yoke
stray notch
wide canopy
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Bob, hes sat in the corner

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But seriously

pliant yoke
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so only ppl who were elder before can see it?

wide canopy
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Its non campable stop thinking its a map thang

covert stag
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@stray notch I believe this is where you were

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pliant yoke
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ah that place

stray notch
pliant yoke
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he was there

covert stag
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And this is the other half moonish spot

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stray notch
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idk an example but take flight takeoff Dsynce, the server tryna match u so it just Dsynces

pliant yoke
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wait so

stray notch
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but eldering was confirmed to be client sided so u and u alone would ever notice it

pliant yoke
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we got 2 halfmoons?

mint tulip
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what if travel those distances

wide canopy
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When was it confirmed to be client

stray notch
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its for example dying/spowning/calling

wide canopy
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vc?

covert stag
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I have been to these spots with Elder ASD and step 2 ASD

stray notch
wide canopy
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Yall are COMPLETELY avoiding common sense

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It is not campable

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Therefore ESPECIALLY IN RIVER

stray notch
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for real bro

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yall chill

wide canopy
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ya aint finding it

stray notch
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but kiu

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i had a theory that i personally almost fully believe it unless its proven wrong

wide canopy
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What theory

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Bc youre making any hope go off-rails

stray notch
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it about how crater/ravine are high risk high reward and ppl would love to be there and risk going there (maybe changed to others spots that might be these two)

mint tulip
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i don't know if a location can be considered campable or not I mean yes but what if you are able to sprint in and sprint out after doing something?

covert stag
mint tulip
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mushrooms can be eaten therefore campable

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but a large location?

wide canopy
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High risk=AI Such as sandslayers and irongrazers and or prob portals

stray notch
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which is, whatever you do to elder, its for example gonna give u 1% tick, when u do it at the spot it becomes higher lets say 5%

pliant yoke
wide canopy
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In pvp it would be campable actually

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It only takes ONE bio or ONE cloaked ss to scout through and bam

mint tulip
wide canopy
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Asd Cant run through ravine

stray notch
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in pvp it would be easily campable, even if its a whole biome lets say, for example if its only river, the whole ravine of river can be camped

wide canopy
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So again, draws out locations šŸ¤¦ā€ā™€ļø

stray notch
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800hours on pvp aint going in da void guys

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bro who's replying with emojis the whole time they tryna make fun of us lmao

wide canopy
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Veosk.

stray notch
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stop drinking pls

wide canopy
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Heā€™s probably trying to derail u guys

pliant yoke
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what?

mint tulip
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we are only speculating it won't matter when they change it

stray notch
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he is gatekeeping elder system giving us wrong theories and advises

pliant yoke
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i just disagree with you thinking large locations are campable

wide canopy
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Lol

pliant yoke
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havent even reacted to tamim

wide canopy
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They are

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Very. Easily.

pliant yoke
mint tulip
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not really

wide canopy
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Have you not played major pvp?

pliant yoke
stray notch
mint tulip
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i ran into so many "clan run areas"

wide canopy
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Bruh.

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Ss and bio

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Both can NEVER lose their target unless killed

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Or its another ss

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It takes ONE cloaked ss or ONE bio on guard

pliant yoke
wide canopy
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And its campable.

mint tulip
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meh they are over rated when trying to chase asd's at the very least

wide canopy
wide canopy
pliant yoke
wide canopy
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Veosk jao LITERALLY SAID it WASNT campable

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Its not a location.

mint tulip
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i wonder if jao is on

wide canopy
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Its quote ā€œsomethiing dragonyā€

stray notch
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stop

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stop thinking of locations

wide canopy
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Dew it

stray notch
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stop dumping horrible theories for the fun of uit

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start thinking reasonable

wide canopy
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Ive been telling u guys that

covert stag
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Did he not recently say its actually partially campable? I think Rusty said that couple days ago

wide canopy
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But veosk aint listening

stray notch
pliant yoke
mint tulip
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at this point there is no point in worrying about it so who cares?

wide canopy
mint tulip
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jao isn't going to tell us?

wide canopy
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Stop saying it is

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Probably not

mint tulip
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and it is changing from whatever it is currently

stray notch
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BRO HE FOR REAL DID (NON-CAMPABLEāœ… )

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SOLOABLE āœ…

covert stag
wide canopy
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Odd

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But when?

mint tulip
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i argue a yes and no on location being campable yes because someone could try and kill you on pvp to prevent someone eldering

stray notch
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hold on guys

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the council of elders

wide canopy
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He was probably trying to again, offrail ppl as a joke

stray notch
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it is the clue

naive otter
mint tulip
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but no because they can't deny you if you are determined

wide canopy
covert stag
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Where Jao said that im not sure could have been Patreon or other channel

wide canopy
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its lore

pliant yoke
wide canopy
stray notch
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actually i am the confused

wide canopy
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Council of elders refers to lore i think

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Just a dragony thing

stray notch
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you just said it bro

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its dragony thats the elder system

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what if u gotta gather up the gang yk

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the council of elders

wide canopy
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So getting kicked is dragony.

stray notch
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and do a meeting under the moon light

wide canopy
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Or banned

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Or desync

stray notch
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lmao

wide canopy
stray notch
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MAYBE

wide canopy
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Jao confirmed it

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Why am I the only one remembering these things. Seriously dude

covert stag
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We remember but he also mentione the MOON in the most recent clue

pliant yoke
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i said so many times its non campable and not a timebased thing and others keep saying it aswell

wide canopy
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Dragony, in my take id guesss survive x days ir something

covert stag
wide canopy
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Lol.

stray notch
wide canopy
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Its dod

wide canopy
# stray notch im joking

I will make a dedicated front-facing frostfel emoji to this.

On the other chaotic hand, yall are goin nowhere tbh

pliant yoke
wide canopy
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The eldering system is gonna be changed.

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Theres rlly no way yall gonna get it within a month

covert stag
stray notch
wide canopy
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Mate. Its been a hot second.

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You think a entire community woulda found it by now

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And if we DO get it

covert stag
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Id say a bit more than an FN second lol

wide canopy
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It seems HEAVILY hard so maybe a change to be more active is good

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Rather than a whole egg-hunt just to upstat and be ā€œstrongerā€

stray notch
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all i need personally

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is 1 more hint.

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about 3rd step

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thats all im asking for

covert stag
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Well good news for me is i'll have an Elder SS by the end of the week. Currenty at 88.8%

pliant yoke
pliant yoke
covert stag
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Another month i guess for FS an IR

stray notch
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is asking jao for a hint considered a random ping?

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pliant yoke
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i think jao got pinged once or twice for hints and no mod said anything and rhino responded

stray notch
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im sorry but its so funny how we are grinding for MONTHS like idiots for passive elder ticks thats not healthy

covert stag
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Goodnight folks. Will continue search for maybe an hour tomorrow when log in for ticks

stray notch
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im probably gonna ask him man

covert stag
stray notch
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why is that

pliant yoke
wide canopy
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Mods do intervene

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Itā€™s considered a random ping if its a hint

covert stag
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Well from what i hear this place can get quite ban happy lol

wide canopy
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Thats like asking ā€œwhens (dragon) comingā€ when its already being decided

wide canopy
pliant yoke
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but it also helped us A LOT ngl

stray notch
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ight then veosk does it šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

pliant yoke
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never said i wanna do it

wide canopy
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How about we stop trying to figure it out so us pvpers can get a more active system šŸ”„

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Cuz if we find it

covert stag
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anyhoo i'm off to bed early start in gale of wind tomorrow. Happy days. Night folks

wide canopy
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And if its EXTREMELY LONG like it is now

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Noones gonna have fun! And theyre gonna blame the bad eldering on jao when its rlly our faulttt~

stray notch
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i personally, tho im a pvp nerd

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i just feel this doesnt fit the game

wide canopy
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The eldering system fits its just too long and complex

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As most pvpers are just people who follows people with common sense.

stray notch
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having a clan and fight bla bla bla... wouldnt be cool unlees u have a species per clan like a clan of IR/FS, clan of blitz SS
i know this wont happen, so i wannna take a break of this chaos and act more dragony

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im worried its MUSHROOMS AGAIN

wide canopy
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It isnt

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He literally said

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It isnt

stray notch
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no i mean

wide canopy
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In 2.0? Sure as a extra prob

stray notch
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if they change it again

wide canopy
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I

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Know

stray notch
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i hope it doesnt get changed to that

wide canopy
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Its 100% NOT

pliant yoke
wide canopy
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It would

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In 2.0

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With a really big map

stray notch
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i dont wanna trash talk PVE servers more cuz i cant stop

wide canopy
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Tru

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I already shamed the entire us4 server by creating the most unholy thing ever.

pliant yoke
stray notch
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what. did. you. do.

wide canopy
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But we should just lay off eldering

wide canopy
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If we FIND eldering its gonna be rlly complex

stray notch
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bro is it that crazy

wide canopy
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And unfun

pliant yoke
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the 3rd step has smth to do with the moon but can be done at anytime

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think, guys, think

vagrant orbit
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has anyone tried flying as high into the sky as possible as the third step? I figure someone has, but I've gotta ask.

mint tulip
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can't be that has to be do able by all dragons

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drakes can't fly thus no

vagrant orbit
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didn't think that far

mint tulip
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it k

worthy python
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I just dont get why we need to do the other 2 steps to elder if the first step is to just elder?..

mint tulip
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to unlock active method

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the first step is just passive a tick every 12 hrs

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once you do that you can if you know how do it much faster then say in 20ish days as a asd who is the fastest atm to elder passively

round flint
# stray notch

So step 2 is essentially lose/kill that which you've become?

upbeat igloo
# stray notch

Just gonna say, after reading this a few times and thinking it over, hereā€™s my theory:

  1. Become that which you seek.
  2. Kill/lose that which youā€™ve become.
  3. Under the moon youā€™ll find yourself again.

Perhaps the ghost of your past life shows up under moonlight? šŸ¤·

covert stag
upbeat igloo
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Iā€™m referring to whether the spirit wanders and isnā€™t around the place of death

covert stag
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Yeah I'm still keeping an eye out as I wonder the map for any ghostly figures lol

round flint
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Have you tried growing to adult with out logging like we had to for mela after sacrificing an elder?

tepid haven
maiden trout
deft patrol
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Well Jao didnā€™t reply with that itā€™s wrong but with ā€žWhat did you do afterwards?ā€œ not gonna to scroll up until i find it

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So something which could be interpreted as such

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Not wanna to decline your idea but dunno xD

covert stag
proper patio
# maiden trout I dont think step two is to kill your elder . The whole procces from my POV (3 s...

I'm with you, but also don't want to discount that it's possible. I honestly think if we truly wanted to figure this out we should have two groups, folks that off their elders and try stuff then a group that keeps their elder and tries stuff on the off chance step 2 is not kill your elder. The problem is, if folks are wrong about step 2 and they kill off their elders, they have to start back at step 1 but you wouldn't even know because all of this is invisible in game with no messaging!! šŸ˜µā€šŸ’« agony

round flint
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Hmmm what about "seek what you've become" ie find another elder?

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But it's meant to be solo-able right? I'm a little out of the loop so I've seen Jao wants it to be social, but also that

pliant yoke
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and its wrong

proper patio
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Yeah it's a bit confusing for sure. When I first saw it that's what I had thought since it's in line word for word with a previous clue. But I believe Veosk is correct, that had been a clue related to step 1 which has already been revealed šŸ™‚

stray notch
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i mean it makes sense and it fits in the blanks

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also jao kinda lowkey confirmed it

stray notch
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guys- hear me out

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rapid radish
covert stag
stray notch
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u gotta deal with what ya got

pliant yoke
stray notch
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that was a wierd juvi tick to 100%

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not 0.0% adult

hardy breach
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What could those #### be...šŸ¤”

pliant yoke
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under, after

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i thought u meant the 5#

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mb

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4# is most likely 'find'

naive otter
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And elder Flame stalker

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So they do technically exist

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It just took them a month to get there really.. if I calculated it correctly

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Even with 2x speed growth

covert stag
naive otter
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if it was officals only then that would be messed up to do. it should be available on any server

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otherwise people on my server would have been doing all of this testing for nothing

covert stag
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Sorry but i think that is the case. Something about how Jao considered it cheating

naive otter
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no because there's a mechanic in that stops admin grows from skipping the progress

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legit it must be grown natrually or else you'll never unlock the steps after passive elder growing

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soooo yeah nah, it shouldnt be on officals only.. because there's methods in place for admin growths to affect the progress to stop people from gaining elder faster

covert stag
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I think thats actually it. Jao considered 2x speed servers as cheating for faster Elders. But will have to wait if anyone else can confirm this.

naive otter
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unless jao says himself otherwise its officals only.. then i honestly cannot trust your words

covert stag
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Its just somethiung i readhereat some point

naive otter
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i've seen nothing from him saying publicly 2x and 3x are cheating methods to elder.. so unless he says so himself then i'll continue to do my testing

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all i know is we cannot admin grow ourselves to quickly reach elder. that's all.

proper patio
proper patio
stray notch
pliant yoke
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?

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i meant the word with 4#

stray notch
dense current
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Yeah there is no shot you can only active elder on officials

tardy perch
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This method is for all servers, not just officials.

deft spruce
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ā€Become that which you seekā€
ā€Seek that which youā€™ve becomeā€
ā€something the moon youā€™ll feel yourself againā€

pliant yoke
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''become that which you seek''
''lose/kill that which you've become''
''after/under one/the moon you'll find yourself again''

mint tulip
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everyone who is elder and below a bld should kill their elders

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or renest to a higher bld

stray notch
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nothing regarding bld

mint tulip
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i am only worrying about bld once I know how to elder active so honestly till I get my comp back on pause at a 25 asd

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still in the repair shop but atleast they know what is wrong

mint tulip
stray notch
mint tulip
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we got to think chat think what is the 3rd step

covert stag
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Will be logging in shortly and ATTEMPT to stay logged in for a full ingame day. See if that makes a differenc. He did say like SWG rewarded for playing. If i remember right there were skills that leveled by time. Similarto EVE Online but had to be logged in.

covert stag
red musk
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pretty sure this is the most accurate map

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covert stag
red musk
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the map i linked show cords every square is 400x400

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the middle is 0x0

covert stag
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My puny brain requires numbers

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But yeah that map certainly looks more accurate for landmark placement compared to the one im using. Coords are correct also.

covert stag
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Thats me done for the day and possibly just done. Just gonna carry on with 12 hour passive ticks. Been running around the map non stop except for food and water and the odd rest from fall damage since about 7:30 this morning. NOTHING has happened. Unless theres a bonus of sorts on next tick. we shall see later tonight.

devout kettle
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Hey you little stinkers. I've not been in here for a while- how's it going?

pliant yoke
devout kettle
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;o

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Do tell

rapid radish
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Well we have a strong suspicion that the 2nd step is "kill your elder", but there's no confirmation on that yet, at least 2 ppl have done it and have found nothing with the new dragon. šŸ™‚

pliant yoke
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it MOST LIKELY is ''lose/kill that which you've become'' for the 2nd step

rapid radish
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These are the latest hints šŸ˜…

pliant yoke
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nah not rlly ;)

small sedge
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It's changing soon anyways so I'm not really that interested in the current method any longer šŸ˜‚

pliant yoke
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so in around 1-3months

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we still got time

small sedge
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Kind of a little salty that the whole thing in the dev news was referred to as players "not liking" something difficult vs us not enjoying passively aging dragons for months (especially when we were told it would be an active eldering method) bc it didn't encourage or reward interactive gameplay (ie person that can log on for 2 minutes twice a day for a total of barely half an hour of "play" a week has an advantage over someone playing for 6-10 hours on a weekend), and on top of that being given no real hints until he already pretty much decided he was changing it šŸ¤£

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Rubs me the wrong way lmao

acoustic holly
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It really is just a slap in the face for those who have been actively searching only to find out itā€™s passive.

small sedge
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And passive in a really odd way too šŸ˜© cos again, someone can log on twice a day and not do anything yet still come out ahead of people who are actually active for hours at a time

summer arch
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in a sense

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theyre on even ground

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no matter the time spent they elder at the same pace

small sedge
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Nah, currently you can get 1 tick every 12 hours but you have to be online as they don't accrue

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Person 1 plays 5 hours on Saturday and 4 hours on Sunday - Depending on when they log on, they may get 4 ticks.
9 hours total. 4 ticks.

Person 2 logs in at 8am and 8pm every day for 2-3 minutes, Mon-Sun. They get 42 ticks.
42 minutes. 14 ticks.

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See the problem? šŸ˜‚

summer arch
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well

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it takes nothing to log out to get the tick if you play more than 12 hours

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same as it takes nothing to log in for your tic

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if both have a timer set up

small sedge
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I mean, sure. If that's feasible for your schedule. And if that is then I guess congrats?

summer arch
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they both can get all tics

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a person not playing all the time to log in and just get tics may also have a busy shcedule and only get one a day

small sedge
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Unless they have a job in the medical field and are out of the house 16 hours a day šŸ‘ļøšŸ‘„šŸ‘ļø

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or more lmao

summer arch
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and you dont need to work to be busy

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you can be out somewhere etc

small sedge
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All I'm saying is, it's very backwards that someone can do absolutely nothing in the game yet still come out ahead

summer arch
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more fair than shrooming where its heavly unbalanced imo

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here all it takes is good scheduling

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i do get that its a lil dumb

small sedge
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If I was into PvP it would also definitely actually encourage me to play less, because if I could level up without putting a dragon that's close to eldering at risk, why wouldn't I?

summer arch
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i have alts so its not a concern

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and in pvp not playing means not getting stats up means getting a whole clan behind if nobody plays kinda

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im lucky enough that i have people that loves nesting im my clan so thats not a big concern

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but i can see how it sucks in general

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we all hate it lol

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not everyone has alts and all

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and between you and me

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i loved shrooming cx

small sedge
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yeah it's a crappy mechanism šŸ˜© It'd be way better imo if it just worked like regular aging with cumulative hours via play, cos at least then you have to be engaging with the game

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I'd still just prefer a neat quest system tho but I doubt the game will include something that neat by the time the next update comes

summer arch
small sedge
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Oh well. Best we can hope for is that whatever's done is an improvement and actually active beyond more than just... existing šŸ¤£

smoky hatch
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A questing system would have been awesome, but I think that it is really far out.

summer arch
slender arrow
small sedge
proper patio
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Love that for you lol doesn't mean others can make it work as easily šŸ˜…

small sedge
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And like, I'm glad that the setup worked for you. I still think it was a very questionable decision because it enables people to elder while putting in extremely little effort as long as their schedule allows, but like I've been saying and like Toodles reiterated: Plenty of people just can't.

wide canopy
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yall just complaining. Its gonna get locked.

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hushhhā€¦ let him change the systemmā€¦

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Yall want this overly complex system or a more active one??

proper patio
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Folks can still brainstorm if they want, the update could still be several weeks out. Don't take my fun lol

wide canopy
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If yall accidentally unlock it and he keeps this current one, weā€™re all gonna be livid

small sedge
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Obvs there is not going to be a system that's convenient for everybody, that's just plain impossible. Something that's great for one person won't be great for someone else. But I still think it's silly that someone playing for half an hour a week doing nothing but logging on can have an advantage šŸ˜‚

wide canopy
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->

proper patio
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I don't think they would do that šŸ¤”

wide canopy
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Do wt? Login ticks?

proper patio
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Don't get me wrong, I want and welcome the change, but I also like having something to do. Otherwise I wouldn't be playing šŸ˜®ā€šŸ’Ø

wide canopy
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Its not an advantage if theyre clanless.. (pvp wise)

wide canopy
proper patio
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Huh? No I'm talking about the eldering system šŸ¤£

small sedge
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There's more to life than PvP anyhow

proper patio
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Also pvp isn't fun... Not right now anyway

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For me

wide canopy
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To me it is. But rlly if yall do find it. Dont tell-

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Its best to have it changed

small sedge
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He's already said it's changing lmao

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#development-news this is the whole reason I started my word vomit lol

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proper patio
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So many people have dumped time/effort into it, it's the least I could do if I did šŸ™‚

small sedge
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yeah it'd be pretty gross to gatekeep core game mechanics šŸ‘ļøšŸ‘„šŸ‘ļø

pliant yoke
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Well itd be good if they kept the current method in the game but also add the new method, so that we have 2 ways to actively elder and itd be cool if server owners get to choose which one they want in their server settings

small sedge
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Mm, honestly I wouldn't mind both an active and a passive method

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Right now though the current method isn't active as far as anyone can tell and completely hinges on passively eldering šŸ˜‚ Maybe the second/third steps of this system are more interesting, but them being timelocked behind first needing to elder completely passively via ticks makes this system very uninteresting to me

maiden island
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tbh there will always be the passive ticks you get from the 12-24 hr log in ticks i bet

pliant yoke
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Yea i didn't mean the passive ticks, i was talking about the active method we have to unlock and the new eldering system coming in 1.0.1

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I was NOT talking about the passive ticks

small sedge
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I can't pass judgement on whether or not it should be kept when I don't even know what it is šŸ˜‚

proper patio
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That's true lol

tardy perch
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I just wanna know the whole 3 step process and WHAT it unlocks. Cuz if it unlocks a better eldering method for all dragon species per server, I think it's worth it, even with the passive elder tick claiming. I seriously do not mind the first step being getting passive ticks for playing the game (even if atm I don't play much due to upstating being a bit TOO challenging, and no Fantasy servers yet). I don't mind it because if I only have to do it once per server, it's no big deal, since elders after that can use the 'unlocked' method.

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Also a way for the game ot tell us we are on the right direction would just be very good in general, so we KNOW when we did something right.

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we just dont know enough about the elder system to fully being able to judge it, BUT the few part we know (passive eldering) just sucks and no it does not encourage or reward active players since you definetly dont wanna risk the progress you made in a time span of months. So the only "gameplay" this part of the system encourages is log in and log out again and buying more accounts so you have accounts ta actualy play on and others only for eldering and this can hardly be fun for anyone playing.
Which is why i realy dont like how it is worded to make it look like we dont a system that rewards players who invest much time into the game to gain elders, because that is not at all what any here was saying from what i have read so far, but the system that is now in with PASSIVE eldering is not ACTIVE (kinda funny how even in the words on its own you can see that they are the absolute opposite) gameplay which we want in order to gain an elder dragon.

proper patio
fast geyser
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I honestly dont think it will be a one time thing since he realy wants the elders to be rare and by make it an unlock once they are rare in the beginning and then not anymore

tardy perch
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It wouldn't make sense for it to be much else though. We unlock SOMETHING after the 3 steps...so if it's not some sort of grindable way to elder like the mushrooms were in legacy, then it better dang well be something just as good or better. It's just I don't know what else there IS to unlock.

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The elder mushroom method was actually good, it just had flaws that were never corrected. But it could for sure be fixed ot be a TON better and make it near close to un-campable.

mint tulip
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I still worry that we have been lied to and there is no way this whole time to unlock a active way

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i hope I am wrong mind you

tardy perch
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Keep those worries away because Jao said it unlocks something. He wouldn't lie about that

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He's not that sort of person.

mint tulip
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i am mostly bitter about not being open with how to do something that is a mechanic of the game

tardy perch
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Well let's be fair here. We knew we could elder via passives form the beginning, so it wasn't like eldering was locked behind anything.

mint tulip
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passive eldering not fun either way

tardy perch
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And regardless, we don't even know what the 3 steps unlock. It SHOULD be a better way to elder, but for all we know it isn't even elder related at all, thus not hiding any vital mechanic

mint tulip
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i am pretty sure it is tied to eldering

tardy perch
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No it's not, but at least it did it's intended job of making elders harder to get while it being solo-able and non-campable.

mint tulip
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and really sucky

tardy perch
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I hope what we unlock is a better eldering method yeah. Though I feel ike if it is, we should just have this eldering method straight away without an unlock method.

mint tulip
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i'd be fine with whatever this method was if we even knew what the method was

tardy perch
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Putting it behind a 3 step method means casual players are more likely to fall behind.

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I play PVE so go figure a lot of these issues are because they need ot balance it for PVP, because elders in that are massively good I hear.

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Which I get. And it should be balanced. But I think what Jao said in the announcements is needed. If you make it 'easy' or faster to elder, then it gives a lot more equal a chance for ALL types of players.

mint tulip
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also true

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casual players will always fall behind the players who have more time to dedicate to a grind, the only want to make something like elder "equal" for everyone is that it just unlocks at the same rate of growth as though growing from juvie to adult.

tardy perch
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Yeah. Hence why I was like 'oh gosh I hope they never add Ancient as a player growth. We do NOT need that'

fast geyser
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The problem is the game as it is rn is so full of bugs that if yo see something beeing different you cant say for sure if its wanted bc its for example conected to the new eldering or just a new bug again and this together with not even giveing hints until this late and only now were its already planned to be done different anyways doesnt help the frustration at all

languid spoke
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and if we'd never had elder from the shrooms before (passive only) literally no one would be so pressed about it

tardy perch
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At this point I'm just gonna wait till 1.0.1. I can't even passive elder another dragon anyway, the next update will most likely be here before I finish XD

languid spoke
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i'm not even concerned with eldering right now, we have growth off on our server to focus on upstatting. we need elders for nests too much to do it with growth on

tardy perch
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Which is okay. I suppose I don't NEED to know the current method entirely, but I DO wish we did, just to pass full judgement on it and give suggestions oh how it could be improved. But I suppose Jao already has an idea of what to do for the revamp anyway.

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My clan isn't bothering with upstating too much yet (very casual about it atm). We want a official fantasy server to call home before we go hard on anything.

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And that easier upstating Jao mentioned sounds nice.

languid spoke
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i mostly avoid officials, i prefer our private one lol

tardy perch
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That's fine. we want official purely for the better chance it'll stick around for a long time.

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We still need ot wait for Fantasy server types to be added ragardless

languid spoke
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my only issue with easier eldering and upstatting is then there is no reason to play. once everyone gets the stats they want and on an elder, unless they're heavy into PvP they don't have much to do.

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i can't wait for the fantasy option so i can check it out

fast geyser
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But by makeing it harder to get eapecialy with upstating you only give the clanless people and smal clans a disadvantage because the big clans will get the stats some day no matter how hard it is made and smaler clans then will not have a chance to get then even in the point of them haveing not enough accounts to upstat

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In pvp

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So while i do agree with the make elders not so easy to get i think it would be best to make it easier to upstat to a flat A and then it will still be hard to progress since so need elders to get any better then a which will be hard to get so same for the A+ stats

languid spoke
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i don't want an easy game....i know a lot of people do tho. but the challenges Jao added with upstatting and eldering actually peaked my interest a lot. yea sure, eldering fast and getting all A's is cool, i guess. but then if there's no work to it what did i really achieve? nothing. same thing as everyone else.

mint tulip
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poorly

pliant yoke
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very bad

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we have to hope for rhino to appear again and help us out

mint tulip
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people are ansty about the fact they are changing the method to elder or just now adding it people are abit divided on this

pliant yoke
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we aint gonna figure it out ourselves

mint tulip
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it is eldering passively the first time

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step 2 is maybe kill it off

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step 3 ???

pliant yoke
covert stag
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So far killing my Elder has just felt like a heartbreaking waste of time. Not killing anymore until I know what to do. I may consider killing SS which will Elder in A few days.

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Just because having a step 2 dragon that can fly will make searching much easier, but if it DOES turn out that passive is the only way? I am not gonna be happy.

mint tulip
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At this point I am unsure if it is worth it thanks to them changing it

somber rover
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Tbh if they planned on changing it all soon anyway i dont understand why they did this whole big secret thing anyway

cosmic river
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Jao said the elder method would be changed if nobody guesses the current method correctly

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which was exactly what happened

bold tusk
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What if you died on your elder you go back to it on a different body and eat the corpse. But that wouldn't make sense with the moon very much.

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Dragon* not body

covert stag
bold tusk
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Like instead of asd elder kill that off and go in an adult fs

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Ih

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Oh

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Have you tried turning the elder system off and on?

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Me right now

covert stag
vagrant orbit
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imo if an entire server full of people can't figure it out, it's not us. it's bad design.

stray notch
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guys

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anything new on eldering

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new hints new observations on 3rd step

mint tulip
pliant yoke
quaint arrow
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I feel like since the elder system is already being changed again, then we should get the rest of the steps instead of going "####" stuff

devout kettle
covert stag
pliant yoke
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Which sucks

devout kettle
slender arrow
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Think about it he announce that is changing and yet he wonā€™t tell us what it is ā€¦and I the end when he does change it he can just lie and make some bs up on what it was

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The riddles are just a front to buy some time for the actual system . Then dude has the audacity to air quote (because itā€™s to hard for people ā€œ like nahhhhhhhh everyone since the update released as been trying to figure it out and nothing so itā€™s not super hard itā€™s just that itā€™s only through passive means can. You reach elder

devout kettle
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šŸ˜­

slender arrow
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Plus if this current method still exist like he claims why not tell us and not change it . He will get what he wants still less elders and it well be rare but once you unlock the method itā€™s little bit easier ā€¦ but since there is no method he canā€™t tell us lol šŸ˜‚

small sedge
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My concern is that we were told that we had an active system to elder just last month on the 19th, but on the 28th Jao's wording makes the current system sound like it's completely passive ("it will be an active system again instead of the current system")

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directly contradicting information šŸ˜­ why

round flint
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Why not just tell us then?

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Then it doesn't have to be entirely re-worked, it can still be done, it's just simply we don't know how? That's the only odd thing to me. I don't mind a grind, but why the mystery? Could save time & actively test the system before scrapping it entirely, and focus that energy on other matters

small sedge
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The secrecy with it confuses me. It'd be one thing if learning about eldering was like... part of gameplay, ie a story/plot that unfolds as we go along and progress, and discovering it through knowledge from NPCs was something gained along the way or pieced together from bits of lore throughout

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but we're lacking anything of the sort other than "yeah there's an active method go do stuff and discover it"

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but it might not even be an active method at all??

slender arrow
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Your right

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He says in active system again hints the current system is just passive

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Bro lol šŸ˜‚

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Your still me I spend 4 hours of my life howling at the moon for nothing

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You know the worse part is ā€¦. The people that give bad reviews the people that critique. The game actually care more about the game then sheep šŸ‘ that just mindlessly take everything he says with joy .. thatā€™s the sad part I love this game the idea of it and everything else with it but man the confidence sometimes makes me wonder ..if they just kept it a buck with us like it would be fine like it sucks to wait on stuff but I rather be told listen this how it is then lie too

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If you guys donā€™t see me on this chat probably means I got kicked so GG lol šŸ˜‚

small sedge
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I'm also kinda confused with him saying that it's supposed to be "like SWG" currently and that it'll change TO an active method, but uh
a quick google search is all I needed in order to learn about how active the SWG method is šŸ¤£ There's some parts where you're stuck waiting around but the vast majority is actively visiting locations and doing quests, which DoD lacks
https://www.swginfinity.com/guides/jedi-unlock/

proper patio
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The game also kinda failed miserably lol taking a page out of the book of a failed game isn't a great idea imo lol

hybrid wave
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big doggie >:D
I think I'm going to hold off on killing my future elders for now, the recent information has been kinda contradicting/confusing and I don't want to throw out my ASD if the system is based on waiting around. Maybe after the system gets changed into something that is for SURE active, I'll be more willing tho šŸ™‚

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covert stag
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Ok folks my SS will be Elder about this time tomorrow. Thoughts on if i should kill it for a step 2 flier for searching or let it live until people come back online for nesting?

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small sedge
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My vote is for nesting

slender arrow
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Think about this all front

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Only way to elder is passive

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I been doing everything I can after losing my asd and iv just wasted countless time

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And still only think Iā€™m getting is ticks

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Save your elder so when the server populates

covert stag
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Yeah i'm leaning that way too. Seeing as an Elder is needed for best stats. But does the Elder need good stats to? Like B or A stats to get A++. Does anyone know?

covert stag
hybrid wave
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My ASD ended up having 2E recessive genes, but it does have A BL, I'd be willing to test to see what the eggs turn out like as soon as I hit elder

slender arrow
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But since you get your 4th point at 25 maybe you just need dom to do it

covert stag
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I put all my EP onto Speed and Survival

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covert stag
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Wasnt thinking of nesting at the time

small sedge
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That's what my guess would be tbh. Could be a neat experiment to have a pair of full elders and a pair of similar 25% elders and see if there's a difference, but that'd be rough getting comparable stats across both pairs

covert stag
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And well all dragons

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covert stag
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The dominance thing really seems to more about Skins

dusk ravine
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Current nesting system is all RNG, you have about 50% chance to keep current stat and 40% for the stat to become one of the recessives, about 10% to get upgrade and that is for each individual stat

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So nesting in a dragon with stats worth keeping is about 1 and 6 eggs and that doesn't mean it is good just means you didn't get screwed

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1-20 is about what it takes to get a good egg with 3 upgraded stats

covert stag
dusk ravine
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and thats just E - D- upgrade lvl

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I am probably 1k or more eggs deep

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Still no As

covert stag
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Well if theres anyone willing to grow a female SS on the same server to test it let me know

dusk ravine
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All dominant does is give slightly better crit and that doesnt roll over on next nests so not worth

covert stag
dusk ravine
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It very much is JAO doesn't like breeders

covert stag
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lol why?

dusk ravine
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IDK but the current upstat system has made almost all of them quite, no joke

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small sedge
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I can only assume that part of the rationale between making upstatting difficult is to create a demand for the brood watcher once it's implemented

dusk ravine
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Yes which is fine when it is in the game, not before but its w/e those peeps gone and may be they will come back who knows

small sedge
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The problem with that would be that there's a good chance with the current speed development is going that if stat breeding hadn't been changed, broods would be obsolete by the time they were released with everyone already having killer stats šŸ˜‚

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Doesn't make it less frustrating but I can see why it was changed early

dusk ravine
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If brood watchers are going to give mutation boosts like it has been said in the past, they will never be useless.

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why have a stat increase system if you are not going to let people get stats upgraded is kind of the problem though. PVE you everyone has inf time to upstat but on PVP servers, well lets just say no one has stats worthy of being legacy D bloodline yet.

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100% sure JAO is laughing at us breeders that are actually trying to use his system. I am very glad he is going to improve it though even if that is only 1% better its something.

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round flint
prisma crest
round flint
# prisma crest what the point of playing this game when Jao wants to lie to us and put us in wi...

I'll always be torn, because it's a hard balance for a small, let alone first time game developer to strike a balance between fun & challenging in a way that satisifies the majoriy, but in doing so, it wouldn't be the first time the devs have been observed lying for player engagement, which is the worst thing they could do.
I want to believe it's not a lie, but the contradictions and the history has me more than a little skeptical at this point also.

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stray notch
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actually, 8 is a safe bet

dense current
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i've been able to get 13b asd's with only 4 accounts so ShrugYG

quaint arrow
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That's still $100+ to upstat to 13b on accounts alone

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rigid vale
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Eldering^

dusk ravine
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13b is great progress, like RNG must love you. I am on like 2B with 6 accounts and a lot of extra help.

Problem with upstatting is not that it's hard, it is that it completely RNG+time based not skill. You have to spend an obscene amounts of hours almost AFK. Growing, nesting, dying and that is for 1-2 stats going up from E to D-.

round flint
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'cause a busy pvp server is going to run the risk of losing those lines hella easy during raids

dusk ravine
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I have done it on PVP but most are on PVE that have good lines.

worthy python
quaint arrow
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Fair. We dont necessarily need to know, but I also feel like putting a half done eldering system that literally is just "passive elder to be elder" is... redundant

covert stag
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So now that my SS is now Elder and i'm the only one on server i thought id open a second account for nesting tests. Got Sandboxie and can open game twice no prob. Issue i'm having is the second game shows no servers the first one does. Anyone got any advice? Or has JAO done something to prevent us doing such a thing?

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Oh and im running on a 3090, i9 10900k, Raid0, 96GB Ram incase anyone might think its PC issue. Also have Fastest internet available currently in my area which is 75mbps

night tendon
covert stag
night tendon
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No problemo!

covert stag
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Oh dear. I just noticed something. So i started growing a female earlier today before getting Sandboxie. Just logged in with Elder. Poor lassie is TINY in comparison Ooh

tardy perch
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Can some of you let up on the accusations of Jao lying? You have no proof that he is. Please don't spread such terrible rumors in his own discord =\ All it's doing is making the mood in this channel insanely drama-filled and gloomy when it doesn't need to be.

red musk
covert stag
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12 eggs with an Elder and the Stats were worse. Both Dragons had E's and D's, 3-5 D+'s. Eggs produced nothing but E's and a couple of D's Annoyed

dusk ravine
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@tardy perch You have a fair point. Counter point, lying or not he attacked every single end game mechanic harder than any villain in DC history and should get some push back on that.

tardy perch
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That's not a point, that's an opinion.

dusk ravine
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which endgame mechanic did not get butchered?

tardy perch
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Both are getting improved so it's not like he's ignoring it

vestal gull
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sucking up to devs doesnt give you brownie points when people have doubt its going to happen

tardy perch
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Excuse me? Sucking up? The MOOD in this channel is what's getting sucked up by things not even proven.

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Stuff is getting improved. They heard you guys loud and clear. And until those can prove that he lied provide the proof, all they are doing is propagating a really terribly unnecessary mood here.

dusk ravine
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They were doing emergency patches and quick fixes to problems. Both eldering and nesting could get those to allow people to have a reason to keep playing. Instead we wait for 1.0.1 which may take anywhere from 2 weeks to 4 months, there is a reason people are upset.

devout anvil
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we'll probably have to wait a lot longer too for the skin crafting stuff

tardy perch
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I didn't say people couldn't be upset. I said people need ot stop trying to say things that are not proven true

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Also yes they could 'hot-fix' eldering and nesting, but those two mechanics are lot more complex, especially breeding. Things take time. They always take time. Patience.

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Passive eldering was from legacy so it's not like he spent extra time coding that. And without knowing the whole 3 steps and what it unlocks, it's kinda moot to judge it entirely. I wish he's tell us too, but honestly it's obvious why he doesn't. It's not like saves are getting wiped. He doesn't want elders coming out of the wood-work still.

covert stag
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Elders will not be coming out of the wood work anyway if passive is the first step. Theres not many people that would spend 1-2 months to Elder. As for possible proof he was lying about a current active elder mechanic? JAO's comment about making it active AGAIN is evidence enough for me. Not to mention how much time i myself have spent searching the map with an Elder and then with what i call a step 2 Elder. His hint about the moon? At this stage in development what exactly can we do with the moon right now but search at night and call sign at it which i have done so so many time in multiple locations and at different times of the night. There is nothing. I now have an Elder SS and spent a fair bit of the day today flying around everywhere and still nothing.

tardy perch
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Jao said it's in the game entirely. I beleive him. whether you don't or not is fine. But the fact you haven't foudn naything doesn't PROVE he's lying.

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The elder shroom method is what he was tlaking about. That WAS an active method.

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But no one liked that one either.

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So he changed it to what it was now. Which people STILL aren't liking (I don't mind it but I'm rare).

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So now he's changing it AGAIN to an active method once more.

covert stag
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Oh i can handle the passive Elder too. Not far off having FS and IR Elder. But the fact he keeps changing his words on the steps to unlock active Eldering is bit odd. And none of it makes sense when put into practice.

tardy perch
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He's not changed his words? What are you on about?

covert stag
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Become that which you seek (I get that part), Seek that which you become? Makes no sense to me that. Now we hear its something to do with the moon. From what ive read from some here he said its not campable and at some point he said its partially campable? Now where he said that i'm not sure. Possibly Patreon but i'm not subscribed.

restive barn
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Does anyone have the tick chart for ASD?

covert stag
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Oh and apparently its Supposed to similar to SWG, a game i'm VERY familiar with and i can tell you its nothing like that. Rewarded for playing is what he said. In SWG you got badges for exploring locations. Which took a hell of a long time to do to unlock Force sensitive. But there is no reward here for playing and exploring.

restive barn
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or any other dragon really, except for FS

dusk ravine
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ASD ticks, 2.1% most of the time. 25, 50, 75, and 100 are all there own ticks and you don't get the extra point until the tick after them.

restive barn
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Oh I mean like, every tick % everyday

dusk ravine
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FS/IR are both .9% everytime.

restive barn
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I swear I saw a full chart for that somewhere

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found it! nvm

covert stag
dusk ravine
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@tardy perch I do agree changing full mechanics takes time, he doesn't need to do that with eldering or nesting though.

He could add mushrooms back to eldering, some people may not like it but it does add endgame and people would have to find new locations. Easy fix until he makes a working good system outside of passive ticks.

He could hotfix improve numbers for nesting, doesn't matter if they are perfect just need to not take 2 hours of nesting for 1-2 stats to go up 1 lvl. There are literally no breeders who like the new system, none which kind of means it needs a hotfix.

Tis life though at least we will get 1.0.1 before the end of the year.

covert stag
tardy perch
dusk ravine
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Hint is a stretch for what his hints are

tardy perch
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Breeding inheritance is not only partially bugged, but overly complicated. But they know that now, so they are changing it

covert stag
dusk ravine
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More of vague words put together

tardy perch
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I don't know where you heard it was PARTIALLY campable..?

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Because none of it is?

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Or at least of the discovered stuff.

covert stag
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Like i told you read it here on this channel from others. you will have to scroll up about 2 weeks ago to find it lol

tardy perch
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I don't think you can camp anything to do with the moon. And the second 2 'hint' is still not confirmed, so that 'seek that which you become' is speculation from players still

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I don't care what players said. I care wha tthe DEVS said. And he's not said it's partially campable. He said it was Non-campable. At least the first step is confirmed such.

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People only are not sure if the other steps aren't because he's not said so. But I don't go off player guesses and assumptions.

dusk ravine
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Only first step is confirmed two months after release, and the rest don't matter because it is changing since everyone agrees it is not fun to passive elder for 3 months instead of play the game

tardy perch
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Right

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But apparently people are mad he's not just revealing the last 2 steps and what it unlocks now, even if it's changing. People need ot relax. XD It's just a game

dusk ravine
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I would honestly be a lot less upset if i didn't want to like the game and just can't.

tardy perch
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We are getting elders via the passives anyway.

covert stag
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So yeah why not just let us know at this point?

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Likei said not many are gonna spend that time onthe first step

tardy perch
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Not my place to say. I'm guessing he's just too busy trying to fix what people don't like instead of poking his nose into a channel that seems to be really HATING him right now. Like, barely anyone in here has been kind lately. If I was him, I'd purposely never look in this channel

dusk ravine
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Agree Ulta

tardy perch
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It's why I'm wishing people would be nicer. He only showed himself in here when people were nicer

dusk ravine
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If i was a fighter/elder player I would probably be nicer, but as a primary breeder I find being nice really hard ATM..

dense current
covert stag
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i'm not HATING anyone. If thats how it seems your wrong. Just bored running around looking for nothing lol

dusk ravine
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It is not just that the system is bad its that responses to assure us it will get better are well... not good.

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Recessive Skins are one of the coolest things in the game, adds a lot of fun things to play with. Recessive stats has literally ruined most breeders fun because now you have to upstat 36 stats instead of 18 and the chances for upstat have actively become worse.

covert stag
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Skins are meaningless to me....i'm colour blind haha

tame crest
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Jao honestly made a mistake comparing the system to SWG's FS unlock. Anyone familiar would've started visiting locations and doing all sorts in an attempt to do things adjacent to badges/themepark content. Finding out that the process start was to literally elder first passively really took a lot of wind out of peoples' sails because it ends up boiling down to logging in to claim a tick and then leaving because its not engaging.

covert stag
tame crest
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Yeah same sobsucho

dusk ravine
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Those poor crystals

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almost as defiled as my breeders

covert stag
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Spent about 2 hours ever evening when i logged in for ticks going to every location over and over

tame crest
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I combed the map for hours every day looking at all of the locations and stuff.

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I'd get more progress inciting in SWG Resto ZoskaBane

covert stag
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Funny because its true

dusk ravine
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This chat is literally more fun than the game

covert stag
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It was hillarious once you became a Jedi. THE WHOLE DAM SERVER CAME AFTER YOU šŸ¤£

tame crest
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Careless Jedi on resto leads to Vader showing up and slaughtering everyone. Mos Eisley was in ruins a couple weeks back ZoskaBane

covert stag
tame crest
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BHs can still go for em of course but Vader poppin in for a casual aliven't is very funny.

covert stag
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Now that i think about it. I dont think i came across Vader. I cant remember seeing himin the game. Mind you it was VERY long time ago played. Havent played on the servers kept alive by fans. Played when it originally came out. Should still have the DVD rom hiding somewher.

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Oh wait it was CD rom wasnt it?

tame crest
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Its for Restoration emu server specifically. They added Vader as the final vis level if you somehow hit full vis and avoid player bounties.

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But we should go back to talking about eldering or something lulw

dusk ravine
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Yeah back to talking about eldering. Doesn't really matter to have that talk anymore though.

covert stag
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Because i am at a complete loss

dusk ravine
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You have to find the invisible stairs to the moon, place a nest on the moon, hatch/grow from the next with 18A++ stats, mate that with a 18E, hatch/grow, than you will see lights to follow called willow whisps at that point you are ready to elder another dragon.

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Prove me wrong

covert stag
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i have a confession. I tried using Chatgpt help look for words to fill in the blanks for the hint about the moon...it didnt help haha

covert stag
dusk ravine
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Yes

sinful haven
# tardy perch Not my place to say. I'm guessing he's just too busy trying to fix what people d...

Tbh I think he is laying about the system when almost 100-200 players search for something every day with elders and without there is literally no way that noon found any kind of proof that speak for jao rather I could try to play lottery and would be rewarded with the same end result . But tbh with 100 people there would be st least someone who was able to get the small price .
So yeah I guess there is nothing than only passive elder šŸ˜„

tardy perch
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That isn't proof. Please do not say he is lying just because people haven't found it

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round flint
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It's not rumours when Jao has lied in the past, there is reasonable assumptions that can be made he'll do it again, he lied about the sandworm in the initial place-holder concept having AI, when it was just him controlling it, I was actively there, and I vividly recall this and how much people were chattering about it, and how misleading that whole ordeal was to alot of people.

It is again reasonable concern for people to voice their thoughts on him possibly lying to retain engagement. It's not us being malicious, and I'm happy you still have faith, because due to his history, and current contradictions, we feel lied to, and voicing those feelings is just a refelection on the current state of things.

It's a common tactic companies do use, it's just Jao is not very well versed in it, and the cracks are frustrating alot of people, and instead of just telling us, and maybe testing it out, then retrialing it in the future, it's just: Oh I'm going to rework it entirely.

That's actively drawing time away that can be focused on more aspects to be more engaging, and again gives littler faith that it's actively in the game.

People expressing their feelings/concerns on him lying, isn't us saying it's fact, alot of people are expressly stating things like: "I feel-" "I think-" along with piling on why they think/feel that way.

From what I can see, no one is being toxic about it, and are simply offering criticism/concern, but still continuing on about it to figure it out. But what has seemed to 'cause a bit more ire in the channel, is actively dismissing peoples worries/concerns, and pointing the finger at them for expressing their feelings and making accusations on them ruining the mood.

What ruined the mood, is the complex system & uncertainetny on honesty over the matter, that lead to people being worried about these things.

barren cave
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Because it's not helpful, keep it to figuring out the process, and complain in general or something

round flint
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People are expressing how they feel about it, whether it's true or not is another matter entirely, but people are allowed to express their fears/concerns

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Why take the conversaton to general, when this is the topic at hand confined to one channel?

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It's better imho it's contained as long as people remain civil on the subject

barren cave
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Go complain in suggestions or message a mod or whatever, but let's keep this focused on finding the system, instead of flooding it with "I think/feel he is lying because x, y and z"

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Figuring this out is the whole reason for this chat to begin with

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Not to flood it with "I feel he is lying"

round flint
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And people have been, a lot, and thus the trickle of how they feel about all the work they have put in, spills here, it's natural it arises.

barren cave
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Every time i open discord, there's a new post (or several) pushing the idea that he is lying

round flint
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Then ignore it, and keep on about the theories, because people are going to complain about it, but you can simply redirect it instead of continuing in an argument spiral.

barren cave
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It's been said, and every new reason is a rehash of old reasons as to why he is lying, so why continue?

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Anyways, im out

round flint
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And people are going to vent/express their emotions, so why dwell on it? Idk what to tell you, just that it won't stop, so don't let it affect you if you can no point fighting a brick wall, it's something that can't be helped as much as you may try, negative opinons will come out everywhere when peole invest this much time, it's about how you move forward on it. Best bet, ignore it, or acknowledge how they feel, and encourage they keep trying if they want to or ar e still interested. You can keep it light and moving, with out invalidating anyone, or shutting them down kinda thing. Rediret it. Shutting it down just makes people feel more frustrated in the long run.

tardy perch
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This is not the channel to be accusing the devs of lying. Anyway, I've stopped bothering with figuring out the elder system since it's gonna be changed anyway, and I have more fun games to play atm while I wait for the game to be in a more fun state. But I know how to not be rude about it, or spread rumors that no one seems to be actually PROVING. So yeah, let's move on.

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There's only so much one can do with the moon, so I suspect step 2 is where most people are hitting a roadblock.

cosmic river
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remain on topic here please, the topic is finding the eldering system
for feedback regarding the current active/passive eldering, head over to #1067202526878896248. this is not the channel to express it

it was never said that eldering is not in the game, there is no proof to say that developers lied regarding it. please do not spread misinformation and make sure to follow the rules in #readme
please also remain respectful to all members of the community

steady rock
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Altho I agree that spreading rumors and accusations isn't the correct Way to do things, this is what you get If you let something simmer for too long without checking on IT...Jao's reputation with all the delays and postponed mechanics isn't the Best unfortunately so people don't blindly believe his words anymore.
A riddle gets frustrating if IT can't be figured out within a reasonable Time, and eldering already reached that point (IT being a crucial gameplay mechanic only makes IT worse). The problem isn't that it's not 100% solved within a few days, but that we have no clue if we made any progress in it. For all we know there's already some who fulfilled step2 they just don't know IT yet or didn't stumble upon step 3 yet for IT to show. Even if someone unlocks the method they won't know HOW they did it because they won't know what triggeres step 2 and if a lot of Time passed between step 1 and 3 chances are they did a lot of things in between which makes the narrowing down hard.
I think saying that we dislike the New method is false, since we don't know what the New method is, we dislike that it's so hard to figure out in the first place. Expecting people to figure out a 3 step method without getting any visual or audible cues if a step is fulfilled is like searching 3 needles in a haystack.
Before changing the whole System he should maybe try to implement some indication of the steps you're on... something As simple as the coloring of the Elder progress bar would do... Like
No steps taken: red
1st step fulfilled: orange
2nd step fulfilled: yellow
3rd step fulfilled: green
Actively eldering: blue

Anyway i'm on my Way to Elder my SS on a 2X server and upon reaching IT i'll try to kill IT and eat the corpse with a Other adult to see what happens, because that idea doesn't let me rest XD (i'm playing on a PVE private server with barely anyone on and awesome admins, so I don't have to be afraid of my corpse being stolen)

rapid radish
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And Hazriel, I think Mac did that already, but go right ahead and tell us if something changed :p

round flint
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My thoughts on it are, I don't think the 3rd line with the moon is "the" the is a weirdly specific word to censor out, so it's possible it's a number, or something else, but I agree, it's hard to confirm if the second step is killing your elder because there's no indiciation (that we've found at the very least).
What if you have to hold your elder for a set amount of time, like not lose it? Though Jao's interest in suddenly asking what did you do next is defenitely hard to ignore

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I just can't think of anything that fits with the current night dynamic, and if it's semi-campable, but has to work on every map, could it be water based? There's a few textured water sources around the map, perhaps any of those?

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I'm beginning to wonder if the person with the bug theories was onto something as well, because it's one thing bios can't do anything about that needs to be attacked

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Also I have to question code-bugs as well, because the melanistic unlock isn't always consistent either, so what if there's issues with the elder that we've simply over looked.

round flint
# steady rock Altho I agree that spreading rumors and accusations isn't the correct Way to do ...

Anyway i'm on my Way to Elder my SS on a 2X server and upon reaching IT i'll try to kill IT and eat the corpse with a Other adult to see what happens, because that idea doesn't let me rest XD (i'm playing on a PVE private server with barely anyone on and awesome admins, so I don't have to be afraid of my corpse being stolen)

I don't think you'll need to do that, the game actively disables your ability to kill your own dragons, so I don't think it's that, it'd be counter productive, but if you still wanna try it, but we could likely think of some better ideas for it

covert stag
steady rock
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The admins on my server are cool and willing to give restores so I won't lose anything, unless getting restored prevents you from eldering As well...

covert stag
covert stag
round flint
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Mmh it makes the most sense to me too personally, but killing it just to eat the body isn't worth it imho

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You can kill it either way, but maybe not for that end goal

covert stag
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Right now i doing a few laps around the map with my Elder SS trying to come to a decision whether to kill it or not. If that is indeed step 2 it will be alot esier with a flier.

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searching for the next step that is

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Theres 2 things i would really like to know then id be more than happy to figure the rest out myself. What are we looking for? and do we get any kind of indication that we've done something, like a popup message or a music que?

round flint
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Traveling does seem like a dragon-y thing, and looking at the starwars rewards stuff, there's mention of career paths etc as well thinkink

covert stag
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Following the moon was the second thing i did when we got that hint. First was call signing it every 2 seconds haha . All call signs including DLC. Dont have the patreon lifetime reward call signs but i doubgt it has anything to do with that anyway and if it was well i'mm sure all hell would break lose

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As for traveling to different locations i have been everywhere. many many MANY times now

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Lately i have been thinking there could be an as of yet undiscovered cave hidden somewhere. And if so it would likely be hidden in/under/around vegetation.

simple ore
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I have even crawled in the underwater log, but nothing

covert stag
proper patio
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Jao had also said that Echo didn't play a role with the elder system, so locations or utilizing the map would be out of the picture. I think the moon hint is more figurative/poetic than literal. I just wish I was clever enough to produce ideas out of it šŸ˜µā€šŸ’«šŸ˜µā€šŸ’«

simple ore
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But I was going on the premise that itĀ“s IN the game right now

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the moon can mean month, however long that would be on Jhrakon

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AFTER ONE moon, youĀ“ll #### yourself again

proper patio
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Oooo!

covert stag
simple ore
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Also, become that which you seek (elder)

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so you can seek that which you have become (elder)

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How can we seek elder?

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Has anyone tried howling at the moon with another elder? What if the second step IS social and you have to do sort of an elder party?

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That would be dragony, wouldnĀ“t it?

covert stag
simple ore
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okay...

covert stag
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Was doin that during the last night with Elder SS. Been logged in flying all over for few hours now

simple ore
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Who was the other elder?

covert stag
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Oh you mean with another player?

simple ore
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Yeah. Seek that which you have become

covert stag
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Yeah i cant. I'm literally the only 1 player left on the server im on

simple ore
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which one you on?

covert stag
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Official UK Glacier Peak

proper patio
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I might be able to do it with my main and alt accounts on Islecrest. I've got two asds at about 78% rn. It's a good idea šŸ˜Š

covert stag
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I t was full when i joined when Update came out

simple ore
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yeah same on Dragonking

covert stag
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And i was so far intoElder Growth to leave

simple ore
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TheyĀ“ll fill up again eventually

covert stag
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I would bet many would returnif they knew how to active Elder lol

simple ore
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that, and when Blitz comes out

steady rock
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Reply to this, forgot to actualy reply XD #1209681807746801724 message
Tbf that would truly be bullsheet and a kick in the face...so if someone dies because they get stuck in a tree or fall under the map and an admin restores them they are now barred from an important gameplay mechanic? Punishing admin growth is bad Ć­n itself, but somewhat understendable, but the rest? Why? What CAN admins do what won't hinder their players? they are meant to help out, not trip you on the Way, so I realy hope you're incorrect on that

proper patio
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I'm not sure about admin restores but it's been confirmed admin grows interfere. But yeah many have expressed that and there is a feedback thread for this specifically

covert stag
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Here is the incident lol

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steady rock
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Yeah that's why IT would be unfair to punish any admin intervention

simple ore
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lets not jump to conclusions. They said grows, not restores.

covert stag
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But doesnt restore just mean getting the same dragon back as it was?

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in my case it was just a /command you type in chat to pull you to a group member. Nothing to do with exploiting growth.

pliant yoke
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so he fixes the hole

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naive otter
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for those saying passive eldering is the only way. i've created this! please read it and return to searching those steps! many people have theories of what the hint can say.
here's a few theories of what people think the hints mean

Become that which you seek
SEEK that which you've BECOME
AFTER THE moon you'll FIND yourself again

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lets keep figuring out that hint! below 1.0 eldering notes! that's our current hint!

pliant yoke
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step 2 is NOT 'seek that which youve become'

proper patio
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Dude it's a guess lol no one knows šŸ’Æ what step 2 is lol

naive otter
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that's why i said "theory"? bro no one knows, it was people assume it is atm

proper patio
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I heard another one that sounded interesting, on the thought that the three letter word before moon wouldn't be censored if it was something simple like "the" šŸ¤”. It was "After one moon" for the first half. It had me curious

naive otter
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feel free to give anything a try. im just doing my best to help remind those of the steps and to keep the subject on track :3

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we dont need to hear people say that someone has lied about something when its not true.. so im just doing what i can bioheart

proper patio
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It was helpful, I liked how you had it visually set up šŸ˜Š

naive otter
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better than a complete list that i had before! now it has the most important parts we really need to focus on

quaint arrow
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I dunno if it's just me but I feel like 4 years of working on the game shouldn't have given us a roughly 1 month long eldering process when the previous one could take a week. I much rather hunt for shrooms than just strictly passive elder. Adding to the fact that we dont even know the full eldering process still.

Feel like shrooms could have been implimented in the game we have now since it is a balance of active eldering and passive instead of just "you want elder? Passive grow for it every 12 hours and you can get it ;3". Orange shrooms going to fs and ir could have been easily implimented and so on UNTIL the full eldering process gets released. But that's just me ĀÆ_(惄)_/ĀÆ

naive otter
quaint arrow
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I 100% agree. It feels disheartening to just be told "grow for a month and you'll elder." For me, it feels like a huge waste of time and it doesn't give the same feeling as eldering with your final shroom.
I feel like you should be proud to elder. You've given effort into growing your dragon. Rn it just feels like a log in/out simulator šŸ˜­

naive otter
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dont worry, the problem is noted and will be fixed for now all we can do is at least try our best to figure out what he wanted to do while we wait

quaint arrow
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XD true. I just hope things get better

covert stag
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I would like to get a fairly sized group on the same server. Form a big line North to south, start from the west of the map and march the map to east haha

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All ASD

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the line will be formed like this. Elder ASD, Step 2 ASD, Elder ASD, Step 2 asd and so on

smoky hatch
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My guess is as follows:

  • Get an elder (Become that which you seek)
  • Kill / lose your elder (i.e., scrab death) (Kill that which you've become)
  • Actively play. Theoretically when the game goes through a night cycle (midnight?) , you'll tick. (Under the moon, you'll find yourself again)
covert stag
smoky hatch
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Well heck.

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On the same dragon that was eldered prior?

covert stag
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Both As Elder ASD and what we assume step 2 ASD (Respawn after Elder)

smoky hatch
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Tsk. Noted.

covert stag
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Currently have an SS Elder. And still trying to decide whether to kill it or not.

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I suppose i could off it. FS is about 2-3 weeks away from Elder.

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76.4%

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Think i will wait a week. We shall see howthe mood goes.

covert stag
# slender arrow You get 12 eggs with in elder ?

Well got 3 at a time. Hatched em ate them started again for a total of 12. Kinda annoyed that the stats were worse than the parents. Meaning nesting with an Elder made no difference or actually makes it worse.

upbeat igloo
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With elders, you can see the recessive genes and from there, you need to try and line up the stats to improve them. Itā€™s more tricky now since getting Aā€™s and A +ā€™s was waaayyyy too easy in legacy

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upbeat igloo
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Yeah. All points need to be in social for the nesting stats to improve. Makes sense why yours got worse and not better.

covert stag
upbeat igloo
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Fyi, when replying directly below, please don't ping me.

covert stag
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fair do's

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smoky hatch
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You need all points in nesting to increase the potential of getting something better

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then again, with recessives, you can still get bad eggs too

quaint arrow
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Same

pliant yoke
covert stag
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What i do, i do for the DoD community

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And yes of course i ate the Elder corpse haha

round flint
covert stag
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ohhhhh crap i REALLY hope if new spawn dies the process doesnt reset. I dosed off and died of thirst/hunger šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø šŸ¤£

covert stag
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FOLKS. What have i found? Nothing has happened as yet maybe have to wait for Elder tick to find out. Or is this a known bug of sorts?

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Can drink from multiple parts of the roots of this Elder Tree? Is that what we call these massive trees? Maybe have to drink from it at night

wide canopy
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I made that mistake

covert stag
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Having an elder with crap stats is kinda pointless

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Also @wide canopy Jao did say its soloable but he also said somewhere its social. Which is contradictory. So i really dont know what to beleive.

wide canopy
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proper patio
void patrol
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I definitely would recommend to not kill your elder unless youā€™ve tried possibly everything you can think of for step 2 and 3 which is not killing your elder for step 2 like everyone thinks it is. Just cause Jao said something about Rusty killing his elder heā€™s probably just trying to pull everyoneā€™s leg making it harder to figure out how to elder. Jao did say he made eldering difficult to figure out and itā€™s definitely something Jao would do in hopes of there being less elders than there were on legacy. Steps 2 and 3 could just be lies to throw everyone off and itā€™s actually something else or theyā€™re actual hints but people think youā€™re supposed to kill your elder when itā€™s actually something else. The steps are like a riddle so you really have to think about it and put what actually you think might go there cause I definitely donā€™t think step 2 is killing your elder, why spend a month eldering in passive ticks just to kill what you spent time doing. Killing your elder should be the last choice if you canā€™t think of anything else to do

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The 3rd step really makes you think the 2nd step is to kill your dragon but absolutely do everything you can think of doing that all dragons can do before killing your elder

pliant yoke
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Ok but if you already have an elder, why do you need to active eldering system for it?

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Yea makes no sense does it

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So it most likely is 'lose/kill that which you've become'

covert stag
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Think what im gonna do regardless if killing the Elders is the thing to do or not is just kill them all off anyway and start over but put all evo points into nesting. Try and get some A++ stats on dragons for my main account. Then on main account dragons will put Evo points into Survival and speed for PVP.

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Still gonna grow current FS and IR to Elder first. Just incase.

covert stag
dreamy acorn
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If there was an active eldering method, one of the 200 players who play actively on Sanctuary and Molten would've found it by now. It's not just "difficult" I think it doesn't exist

void patrol
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That's if they are trying to figure it out or not or are waiting till they have an 18A dragon to elder so they can get those A+'s etc...

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Since on pve all people want to do is try to upstat to get the same stats over and over again

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It does give them something to do though till all this other crap gets released

turbid copper
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From those players, i think only a few are really trying to figure it out, so yeah

small sedge
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One of Jao's most recent comments (from March 28) indicates that the current system is passive, not active

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which of course directly contradicts his other comment about there being steps to actively elder blobglareannoyed

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knotty pulsar
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He probably means that it will be active eldering from the start and you don't have to unlock it first through passive eldering.

dusk ravine
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One can only hope that it makes it worth playing and encourages PVP like shrooms but less campable.

small sedge
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I'm just reading it as he said it šŸ˜‚

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Because twice he said it'll be an active system again and indicated that the active system planned (something you have to do) is not what we currently have

pliant violet
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KEK people still think he actually had the other eldering steps in the game? He was always going to say that the process was too difficult for people to figure out because he literally only had ticks in the game. DoD is gonna die once other dragon games come out

small sedge
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It'd be nice for him to actually share what the other two steps are in the current system. I think a loooot of people have their doubts, what with Jao saying a couple weeks in to release that "Oh nobody's figured it out yet maybe I'll change it with the Blitz release" when he should have known full-well that it'd take at least a month and a half for anyone to even complete step one of his new system? And he's now apparently waffling back and forth between "oh it's an active system there are multiple steps" and "we're going back to an active system which is different from how it currently is" cringeasf

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Like at least if he'd share the actual system itself and people who have already hit passive elder could test steps 2-3 out, there wouldn't be any doubts that oh yeah he actually put in an active system šŸ˜‚

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Especially if he's changing it, where's the harm in sharing the soon-to-be-ex-method?

mint tulip
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this tbh it would help restore some faith from alot of people

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plus personally I wanna see if it was something stupid simple and if those of us were right that step 2 was die

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small sedge
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I mean, that's why he'd need to tell us what it is now šŸ˜‚ That's why I said "share the soon-to-be-ex-method" re: people who have already hit passive elder being able to test out steps 2-3

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If he shares what it is now, and people test it now, and it works now, we have proof that the system was coded and in place like he said it was.

mint tulip
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^^^^^

small sedge
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That's what would help restore some faith as Devina said.

slender arrow
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I agree

small sedge
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If the system changes and then he reveals what it was, it'll be like šŸ˜¬ ok neat but we still don't know whether or not you were completely full of excrement my dude

slender arrow
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Thatā€™s why I asked him

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If he could just tell us since his changing it

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And he hit me with a riddle

mint tulip
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ya honestly not great at this point to hit us with riddles

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hell if he like hits us with how to before the change with like a week or 2 before it hits that would be cool

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just long enough to test and prove

muted moat
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Or at this point itā€™s just not in the game and heā€™s lied about it šŸ˜’ cuz we have tried absolutely everything and nothing has worked aside from a passive tic šŸ’€

small sedge
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That's why it'd reeeeally benefit him to reveal the method before it's changed, cos if there are players that can then go and verify that it's in game and working we'd be a lot more inclined to believe him on things in the future

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Right now though with the amount of stuff that was supposed to be included in 1.0 but got pushed back, you really gotta wonder if it actually was included at all and all these riddles and needing to passive first were just a bid to buy time šŸ˜©

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There's no way he should have expected folks to figure out eldering within a couple weeks when he first started talking about changing the method with the Blitz release when he knew full well that if someone had to passive first, it'd take (minimum) a month to reach the first step on his ladder FrogeStare_REH

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It's all just super sus when looking at all the information

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And honestly I hope that the method was fully coded and fully implemented like he said it was, but with all the other things that have gone wrong or been excluded and/or bugged, and him also recently referring to the upcoming changed system as active (something you have to do) instead of the current system ... šŸ˜¬ My confidence in it actually being there and being active like he previously said it was is... slim

mint tulip
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sooooooon i get my computer back

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don't think i can elder in time to test though

devout anvil
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I find it really funny that i kept getting told ā€œthere IS a second eldering system in gameā€ when I originally said there wasnā€™t, and now that Jaoā€™s suddenly changing eldering to an active method like it shouldā€™ve been, everyoneā€™s saying that there was no second method šŸ’€

small sedge
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Opinions are allowed to change when there's new/different information to go off of šŸ˜‚

devout anvil
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Hereā€™s a step-by-step guide to creating a hard to obtain thing in a video game

Step one: donā€™t make the obtainment method surround getting said hard to get thing (having to grow to elder passively to unlock the other 2 steps)

devout anvil
small sedge
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It's amusing in a sad way yea halp

wild shore
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I really dont mind the elder by passive first thing, I think it'll help keep Elder a bit rarer for longer and the fact that its equal for everyone and you immediately know how long someones been working on that specfic dragon when u see they achieved elder with it. Although it IS a boring way to do it I prefer it over the mushrooms.

devout anvil
wild shore
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I mean there is more in game content planned its just not here yet but I feel you

devout anvil
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making eldering harder is not the solution

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same with making nesting/upstatting harder

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they're just distractions so we don't complain about the lack of content

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let's be real

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1.0 and legacy are basically the same when it comes to gameplay

wild shore
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Its not harder tho its actually easier it just takes time. I personally dont consider logging in twice a day as Hard just cuz it takes awhile

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nesting SHOULD be harder because its the only thing to work for. its the only way to keep people playing right now because they are behind

devout anvil
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This is a problem

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nesting isn't gameplay either, and making it harder is also not the answer

wild shore
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bro what lol

devout anvil
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All you do is sit there and occasionally produce a player, in terms of gameplay, that is extremely shallow

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And not everyone wants to sit there for hours crapping out eggs

wild shore
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Then dont do it? PVP is gameplay too. Its basically the Isle with dragons. Every creature survior is exactly the same

slender arrow
devout anvil
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Pvp is currently very unfair

wild shore
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i didnt say it was i just said it wasnt harder

devout anvil
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It's extremely hard to survive as a solo hatchling

wild shore
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if u read what i said i actually said it is boring

devout anvil
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No, it is harder

wild shore
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t isnt

slender arrow
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It takes 50 days if you get both ticks

devout anvil
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jao himself has said they made nesting harder intentionally

wild shore
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logging into a game is not hard

slender arrow
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That isnā€™t hard for you lol

devout anvil
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and yeah, it is harder

wild shore
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no lol logging into a game is not hard

devout anvil
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You can't actively elder anymore

wild shore
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i do it everytime i play something

devout anvil
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that makes it more difficult

wild shore
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id hate to see what you guys would do playing dark souuls

slender arrow
wild shore
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if logging in is hard for you

devout anvil
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At this point, you're kind of just being abrasive

slender arrow
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Of course logging in to game isnā€™t hard like were you drop as child ????

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lol

wild shore
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theres a difference between something being hard and something being time consuming

devout anvil
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big whoop

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it's still more difficult to elder because it takes a lot longer than it should

slender arrow
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Red donā€™t bother this another jeo fan boy

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Leave it lol

wild shore
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I think trying to eat mushrooms while being chased by clans is hard. Logging into a game for 1 minute a day is time consuming but not hard.

slender arrow
devout anvil
wild shore
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yes, which I agreed with lol

devout anvil
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you've been disagreeing with me this entire conversation

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for

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no reason

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also

slender arrow
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Itā€™s rewarding to get chased by clan and live and becoming elder

devout anvil
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you should probably take into account that more people are playing pve than pvp

wild shore
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No you just dont read what I say because your so hung up over my opinion of logging into a game 1 minute a day is not hard

devout anvil
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There's nothing to do except kill each other (in pvp) and that's also extremely boring

wild shore
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thats every creature survivor out there tho

upbeat igloo
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Literally the Isle

devout anvil
wild shore
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I dunno why dod iis expected to eb different

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literally

devout anvil
wild shore
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all of them all

devout anvil
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the only difference is their dev team is actually open

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and honest

upbeat igloo
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The Isle is more years behind than this game.

devout anvil
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No, it's not

slender arrow
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It is

devout anvil
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they had to completely restart with Evrima

wild shore
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I really dont agree with that Dondi bans crisitim too

devout anvil
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Evrima started in roughly 2021

wild shore
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lmao

slender arrow
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Isle was started in 2011

upbeat igloo
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2015 was the release date

slender arrow
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Like 2012

slender arrow
devout anvil
slender arrow
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Idk about it that

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Doni ainā€™t no angle

devout anvil
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Rusty

wild shore
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lol

devout anvil
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please read out what i said

upbeat igloo
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I donā€™t mind the eldering system in this game though.
Since work and life are a thing, logging in every afternoon wonā€™t be an issue for me lmao

slender arrow
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You said isle is open with there community right