New Elder System

[sharp dawn]

new moon?

[languid trout]

New seems possible too

[prisma crest]

i wish the mushroom would just come back. Game was so much fun back on legacy trying to get to mushroom, or trying to figure out timing on when it spawn. it really made the game and made me always want to get back on to DOD. but now it just feel breeding only thing to do on the server

[mint tulip]

the mushrooms were dumb imo

better then what we got right now which is lack of knowledge of the active method and just as much content as we had before but still

[pliant yoke]

Any news? Do we already know the 2nd step?

[mint tulip]

no but seems it won't matter soon

[dense current]

i refused to elder on us4 because of how dumb it was to get mushrooms xD

[prisma crest]

us4 had same passive tick system as well as mushroom so would be no different from now

[dense current]

yea im aware but i didn't play on us4 because of how dumb it was to get the shrooms.

[dense current]

it was a ping battle and if you had bad ping you didn't get the shroom

[wide canopy]

Tbf it was a “who had the timer set exactly.” And “who can hold E the fastest” not rlly ping

(I got it alot of the time for good coordination)

[dreamy acorn]

THANK THE LORD HE JS CHANGING ELDER SYSTEM

[wide canopy]

Wait til you hear we’re doing this all over again ;)

[dreamy acorn]

Oh wait

Bruh

[wide canopy]

Pain v2

[dreamy acorn]

I take it back

[wide canopy]

Now pray its easier.

[dreamy acorn]

I will LMAO

[wide canopy]

You better

Bc we all are

[dreamy acorn]

Tbh now it's just fill in the blanks

[wide canopy]

Mmmm “elder” what huh?

Is the blanks!

If it really is.
-unlock elder via passive (Like you would as mela)
-kill it (as you would mela)
-and find that wonky method on HOW then ig id assume its increased elder progression.

[dreamy acorn]

Easy shmosheezy ya know 😭😭 I think I'll go cry

[wide canopy]

we’re all canonically overthinking

[slender arrow]

To unlock mela all you do is grow a dragon to adult with iconic skin

[wide canopy]

“Become what ya seek”

[dreamy acorn]

I thought u had to be nested

[wide canopy]

Not rlly

I always get mela via “grow anything to adult how mela would as spawn and go on a killing spree”

But yh I’d rely on the new method. Wut the moon do? It said to be done anytime of day.

Non campable unless you stay under the moon’s “light” during the day

As in, follow it like a feral dog.

[slender arrow]

I tried it all talking to the moon , taking it out to dinner running at it yelling at it spend 2 hours of my life doing it and nothing

[wide canopy]

Did you give it a good pickup line.

[slender arrow]

Yep I was like is that moon or are you just happy to see me

[wide canopy]

Wh

But honestly.
Unless some wizard arrives or rhinos says it 1 day before update then idk man.

Someone make a new thread titled “New eldering system (but painful)”

[slender arrow]

Idk don’t even understand the riddles if the system is changing

[wide canopy]

It is in the words of a sleep deprived man. Must gain another, sleep deprived man to figure it out.

[slender arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/happywithoutjt-stan-twitter-i'm-done-gif-10385063476580172557

[rapid belfry]

Oh my god i know step two

“Kill that which you have become”

STEP TWO IS KILL ANOTHER ELDER…

It has to be…

[cosmic river]

https://tenor.com/view/fight-smile-happy-gif-12618427

[rapid belfry]

Ohhhhhhh my god

Dude it has to be… then victory roar at the moon…?

[rapid radish]

And yet again, what about pve? 😄

it renders the game mode useless, if pve'rs are forced to pvp

I think it's just kill your grown elder xD

[languid spoke]

technically "kill that which you have become" could go either way. kill your own or kill another

perhaps it also works both ways but i don't know, that was a guess

[steady rock]

I think it's unaliving yourself, since Jao asked someone who lost their Elder what they did AFTER it

[modern field]

What if

You have to eat an elder corpse

Taking a wild guess

[restive granite]

Wild guess taken but that doesn't match

https://tenor.com/view/homecoming-httyd-nightlights-how-to-train-you-dragon-gif-16605043

[iron coyote]

1. Passive to elder
2. Kill your elder
3. Perhaps fly as close as you can to the moon at night and above the clouds (to where the convenient music kicks on. after all, the game already detects when you’re that high.. c:)

perhaps it needs to be for a set amount of time or until you completely run out of stam…?

[restive granite]

Or it's like someone was saying where it's increased prog ticks? what if its just surviving many moons?

[iron coyote]

and maybe that’ll add to an elder tick like the mushrooms. maybe it can only be done once per night

[iron coyote]

Idk how this would tie into asd though

[void patrol]

That wouldn’t work cause an asd can’t fly and it’s something all dragons can do that can elder, the 3rd step you added that is

[iron coyote]

the third step clearly has something to do with the moon/night

has anyone tried sleeping under the moon after killing their elder and watching their ticks? lol

[void patrol]

It better not be kill another elder while you’re an elder instead of killing yourself

[iron coyote]

nah because this ^

plus that wouldn’t be fair at all to pve

[void patrol]

No it wouldn’t but you never know it could which would lead to less elders which is what Jao would’ve wanted, less elders on the servers

Then it’d make people not want to elder as much leading to even more less elders

[iron coyote]

-> people want to elder
-> people don’t want to lose their hard-earned growth unfairly, so they play pve
-> if people can’t elder reasonably, which is an important milestone to get to, then people will get demotivated and unenthusiastic
-> those players just stop playing

idk it just doesn’t seem like the right move to make imo

[steady rock]

What about if it's the reflection of the moon, like a "moon pool" bath ín the reflection?

[slender arrow]

That’s PvP

[slender arrow]

What about asd?

[hot jasper]

Or it’s just his way of saying it’s not in yet. There’s no way he would put in all that work just to change it again

[iron coyote]

idk about asd unless it has the possibility of being different

[dreamy acorn]

TBF someone did think he put in the passive eldering system to stall for time to put the real eldering system in

[slender arrow]

I got my asd to elder it died and I grow my asd again to adult i was on for 2 hours looking at the moon sleeping under it barking it spiting at it for 2 hours and nothing happened lol 😂

[hot jasper]

My thoughts exactly. He has so many other things he has to work on, so I’m betting it’s just not in

[slender arrow]

Is why he won’t tell us

What another reason would you have to not tell your people the system when your gonna change it anyways in the new update ding ding ding there is none it’s must passive

Iv done all the steps

Killed my elder

Grow to adult

[hot jasper]

Yeah he’s just got so many other things to work on so saying it’s in saves him time and pacified the players until we find out

[slender arrow]

Looked at the moon for 2 hours

[iron coyote]

my personal theory is that he may be planning to keep whatever the third step is and just get rid of everything relating to the passive part

[slender arrow]

I asked him to just tell us since he. Is changing it

And he gave us another riddle

Like no one has figured it out yet 40k messages on here and no one can figure it out lol 😂. It’s bs. To be honest

[iron coyote]

either keeping the third step or changing it a little but still similar enough for people to easily figure it out if someone knew it before the change

[covert stag]

Does the moon in this game have different stages? As in Full/Half/NEW Moon

[last minnow]

no

[agile edge]

If it is avoid the moon, that would make use of the caves. But then again, youd probably starve unless u have someone not eldering bringing you food. That’s probably not it.

[acoustic holly]

Shoot the moon would make more sense but also makes you a target—announcing your presence and intention, at least on PvP servers.

[agile edge]

Yeah I don’t think it’s shoot the moon.

[sharp dawn]

You can't shoot the moon. It's too far away and doesn't have collision

moon... What 3 letter words make sense in front of moon? The, all, new, old, one, two

Sorry tried to type pound sign 3 times and it bolded instead

[agile edge]

I think they just mean at it/in it’s direction

[dreamy acorn]

How long until the actual time (day / nigh) will show up in our character menu? Because that would be huge if eldering is time based

[sharp dawn]

Possibly? But I don't think that's very satisfying as an elder method

[agile edge]

Oh I agree completely. It’s more brainstorming and acknowledging all ideas, good, bad, big, or small.

[cobalt kindle]

My brain was leaning towards "under the moon"

[dusk ravine]

It has to be BREED the moon once you get moon eggs you can hatch the moon eggs and the moon being the father will raise them to be elder faster

[agile edge]

Bad time to be a moon I guess lol

[pliant yoke]

Sounds the most logical, we should try it

[cobalt kindle]

lmao

[slender arrow]

Already tried that

[pliant yoke]

its probs chase or under

[slender arrow]

Already did that as well

For 2 hours

I started when the moon came out and when it was day time again

[pliant yoke]

guys didnt he say we could do it at any time?

[slender arrow]

Yeah I told everyone that but now his saying somehitng about a moon

So it’s like which is it bro ?

[pliant yoke]

how do we know the planet at night is the moon hes talking bout?

[slender arrow]

Fair point but it’s the only thing moon related

I told my clan that looks like a plant

[pliant yoke]

couldnt the 'sun' be the moon?

the 'moon' in dod is red right?

as far as i know the real moon is grey/yellowish

[chrome yarrow]

i still thinkwe're on the moon and the pink thing is the real planet

not that it has anything to do with eldering

[sharp dawn]

I don't think so, just because the sun is a star and it's clearly not intended to be a moon like object

[slender arrow]

All I know is I tried to do everything at night and nothing happened

[pliant yoke]

rhino said we could do it any time

[sharp dawn]

But that is a good point... Anyone know if the public lore blogs say whether Jrahkon or Ngarok (rip spelling) is the moon?

[chrome yarrow]

could be a binary pair too. it just seems big for a moon is all

[pliant yoke]

btw who said its 'the' and 'find'?

[heavy ridge]

Can confirm, Jrahkon is the planet, but they are canonically close in size.

[pliant yoke]

but then whats the moon

are we on the moon? 😂

[sharp dawn]

The giant red moon looking thing in the sky at night is Ngarok, and the name of the planet where the dragons live is Jrakhon

[pliant yoke]

mb i misunderstood

Whats the sun?

[chrome yarrow]

the big yellow one

[pliant yoke]

So the sun actually is the sun?

[agile edge]

No one. Those are just guesses. :3

[agile edge]

Is that the name of the moon?

Or is there no moon? Is the moon a lie or just the cake?

[pliant yoke]

Ngl itd be much better if he says the beginning letters of the words

[chrome yarrow]

the moon is now cake. XD

[upbeat igloo]

The moon cake is a lie!!

[cold crest]

I am a cake

[slender arrow]

Admin please for the love of all that is holy give us the answer

Or talk to rhino

[languid spoke]

they don't know any more than we do

only Jao knows

[slender arrow]

I don’t understand why we are getting riddles when the system is changing anyways

[cold crest]

We usually know what the devs are up to and the mechanics, however, this one is special as it's a secret for us too. Many of us often play on alts so we're working with you on this

[languid spoke]

a lot of games don't tell players how to do every single thing, especially end game type mechanics. and some do take a long time to figure out.

[mint tulip]

still to the point it is being changed from the current method so why bother keeping it a secret?

just let us know so we can all collectively facepalm

[languid spoke]

i did ask if we would be told what it is since it is changing, that's pending his decision

[mint tulip]

maybe he will after it is changed?

and is waiting for the update to be ready to be pushed through

[languid spoke]

i don't know, maybe? i wish i knew myself lol

[stray notch]

IS THIS FROM JAO REALLY?

[mint tulip]

ya it is tamim

that is him in that message

[languid spoke]

.........

[mint tulip]

i do think though it confirms to me atleast you kill off your elder for step 2 and the question still remains in my mind of step 3

[stray notch]

1- become what you seek means eldering passive

what u are seeking and wanting to become is elder. easy now step 2?

[acoustic holly]

Since you’re here…am I able to message you about something?

[cold crest]

Sure

[heavy ridge]

Quick lore recap, the dragon planet (Jrakon) is somewhere out in space, it never was or will be Earth (there's not going to be humans, but I enjoy the thought of Itty bitty humans showing up in space suits one day)
The big ole red moon in the sky is Nharogk (yes I went and checked the spelling), nearly big enough to be a dwarf planet in it's own right, and orbiting very closely to Jrakon. Nharogk is the home of the Elemental faction, and is so volcanicly active that it frequently causes meteor showers for Jrakon.
... sometimes elementals get yeeted.

[agile edge]

[acoustic holly]

I don’t mind waiting for something a little more active. For now, just doing the ticks anyways until I hit elder. Gonna be a slow process of hurrying up and waiting either way.

[mint tulip]

who knows though maybe it will be a benefit to those of us who already eldered and if not well it will be faster for those not yet there

[dreamy acorn]

Ye

[proper patio]

What if line 2 is : FIND that which you've EARNED ?

[restive granite]

No because it's not meant to be camp-able?

[proper patio]

It could be finding something not campable. Could also be figurative

[quaint arrow]

Hints that Jao has said previously:
-It doesn't deal in nestings
-It is not pvp based
-It is not campable

He specifically said it is not PVP

That doesn't mean that killing your own dragon isnt it

[heavy ridge]

Considering Jao's reaction to Rusty killing off their elder was an "and what did you do next?"... step 2 is very likely kill off the elder.

[tardy perch]

I thought his response was to Rusty reaching elder...

[heavy ridge]

Jao replied to the boffed the elder post itself

[heavy ridge]

^ linked it

[tardy perch]

Oooooooh

[mint tulip]

yep so we know step 1 and pretty sure on step 2

we just don't know step 3

[tardy perch]

Well there's only so much we can do that involves the moon, so it can't be that hard.

[acoustic holly]

Become that which you seek

# # # (kill?)that which you've # # # # # # (become?)

# # # # # # # moon you'll # # # # (grow?) yourself again

[mint tulip]

what could the first two in the last step beeee aaaaaaaaaaaa

[vestal gull]

under the

moon youll find yourself again

[mint tulip]

that still doesn't give us much to work with

but it could mean you can find it when the moon is up

[heavy ridge]

It kills me that avoid and under are both 5 letter words.
Does anyone else remember Jao saying it wasn't time of day dependant or was that just secondhand?

[last minnow]

i do, i was listening to the qna the day they said that

[pliant yoke]

Rhino said u can do it at any time, so not only at night

[steady rock]

But it's ín his message ..."##### ### moon you'll #### yourself again"

[pliant yoke]

But that doesn't mean it can only be done at night also as i and other ppl already said, the 'moon' in DoD isnt the actual moon

[vagrant orbit]

Do you need more than 100% to become elder now or something?

[pliant yoke]

No, you reach elder when u hit 100% adult aka elder

[vagrant orbit]

Oh, does the voice not change anymore?

[pliant yoke]

I dont know, havent reached elder yet

Not sure, might be a bug

[covert stag]

Soooo my ASD Elder died...and believe it or not it was a complete accident lol. I then happened to spawn new ASD nearby and found body along with WHAT killed me.

[vagrant orbit]

oof

[pliant yoke]

Damn, must suck ngl, also jao gave some kind of hint that u have to kill or get ur elder killed

[covert stag]

I had to go to the toilet and the bug must have spawned right next to me lol

[pliant yoke]

Because someone once said their elder died and jao asked what he did after or before not sure

Make sure to eat ur elder body @covert stag

You never know

[covert stag]

First thing i did. Nothing of note so far

[pliant yoke]

Was your asd grown by admins when u were hatch or juvi?

Cus then it doesn't work

[covert stag]

If you mean me i grew mine officially on official server. The looong haul

Have an SS at 82.5%

[pliant yoke]

Can you check if rhino asked what someone did after their elder died?

Just look at the messages he sent, cant do it rn because im not on my pc

[covert stag]

Ive read through it. Theres nothing that makes much sense to honest

Something about the moon but why if it can be done at anytime. Other clues basicaly saying you have to go somewhere to get something. no sense

[pliant yoke]

I think its smth you have to do after your elder dies

[covert stag]

Yeah i saw that. But the clue about the moon?

[pliant yoke]

Dont know, but as i said i think its def smth u have to do after ur elder dies

[covert stag]

Become that which you seek (become Elder, Done). Seek that which you become(?) (Die rgrow to adult and hope for the best lol)

[pliant yoke]

Someone already killed their elder and regrew to adult and nth happened

[covert stag]

Aye that was Rusty

[pliant yoke]

Yea

Also we don't know for sure if it is 'seek that which you've become' its just a guess

[covert stag]

But the seek become clue was from ages ago. One of, if not the first clue given. It was just blanked out with the recent message.

Again not making sense this thing

[pliant yoke]

You confuse it with 'become which you seek'

Rhino never said 'seek which you've become' is correct

It is just a guess

But we def know 'become which you seek' is correct

[covert stag]

Ok so this from the pinned message link. “first step, become that which you seek so that you can seek that which you wish to become” - From Jao. So he did not say this? I'm feeling quite confused now lol

[pliant yoke]

I cant check the pinned messages, can you send a screenshot

[slender arrow]

You have to go somewhere I don’t know if your done at night under the moon or not based off the 3 clue I assume it’s something with the moon

Iv went to snowy waterfall flatrock in red wooods and nothing as happened

[pliant yoke]

Doesnt 'so that you can seek that which you wish to become' mean the same as 'become which you seek'?

Cus he says we can seek what we wish to become

Im confused

[slender arrow]

It’s not seek

[covert stag]

Sorry takin a bit have looking for place to logout

[pliant yoke]

Whats not seek?

[slender arrow]

The 2nd clue isn’t seek

[covert stag]

Here ya go from pinned message link

[slender arrow]

There are 3 steps which one makes more sense 1 elder 2 kill it off 3 somthing that brings you back to elder hint elder system

[slender arrow]

We can’t take this information

[covert stag]

That what it sounds like anyway

[covert stag]

I'm aware of that now lol

[slender arrow]

He said the eldering can’t be camped but recently he said its partially campable just not as bad as mushrooms 🍄

Which means

[covert stag]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-lol-confused-confuzzled-eh-gif-9769601841670657604

[slender arrow]

The 3rd step is going somewhere under the moon

Idk were but it’s somewhere on the map lol 😂

[covert stag]

So it was non camp able now it is.

[slender arrow]

Partially from what he said lol 😂 like it could be camped but not as bad as mushrooms

[covert stag]

It can be done anytime of day but something todo with the moon??????

[slender arrow]

This why I don’t trust this dude he said it can be done anytime but then he gives us a hint with the word moon 🌖 In it

Do we know of a location on the map that looks like a moon lmfao 🤣

That’s about the only thing I ca think of

[covert stag]

I knew it passive is the way lol

[pliant yoke]

It can be done at any time

[slender arrow]

So what does moon mean in the hint ?

[pliant yoke]

No idea but he said it can be done at any time.

Also the dod 'moon' isnt the actual moon

[covert stag]

So why mention the moon?

[pliant yoke]

How should i know

[slender arrow]

He also said before it can’t be camped now his saying it’s partially campable

[covert stag]

What and where is the moon then? Is it in the game yet? lol

[slender arrow]

Fly around and see if you can see a moon shaped object lmfao 🤣

[covert stag]

I think i might have seen something. But then it could my head inventing ruubbish on the spot. Will log on withh SS and have a gander.

[slender arrow]

If there no moon then it’s worth a shot lol 😂

I went all the way to snowy at night and howeld at the moon lol and nothing happened

Almost starved up there lol

[covert stag]

half moonish

[pliant yoke]

But isnt echo not aware of the way how to elder?

[slender arrow]

Howel under the moon there lol 😂

See what happens

[pliant yoke]

Btw doesnt the tree in the 'halfmoon' kinda look different?

[covert stag]

Been here with my Elder...Will have to wait for him to grow up again though. I had an accident.

[pliant yoke]

I dont think its smth u have to do while being elder

I think its smth u have to do after ur elder died

Cus

[covert stag]

I thought at first it was an Elder tree but its to small i think

[pliant yoke]

He asked rusty what he did after that

[slender arrow]

Yeah

That’s what I been doing

I got my adult the min he said that lol 😆

And been running around trying to figure it out

[pliant yoke]

Have u ever been to the 'elder' tree?

[covert stag]

Youve had your first Elder tick with new one to and nothing right?

[slender arrow]

To be honest if his gonna change it it’s pointless lol

[slender arrow]

By water falll

[pliant yoke]

True but honestly i hope he says what the methode before was

And i hope we get better hints for the new eldering system

[slender arrow]

I thought it at the point he could make something up and it wouldn’t matter lol 😂

I just think it’s passive and that’s it

Bro got me running around howling at moon and stuff lmfao 😂

Wasting my time

[pliant yoke]

He wants playtime

[covert stag]

I was doin that all over the map with my Elder. Only i was howling at everything

[slender arrow]

Bro I spend 2 hours then I spend 3 hours yesterday running around how much play to can I do on a game with no one online

[covert stag]

Dedication dude. I feel yi lol

[slender arrow]

Ain’t no one spending 5 hours on a bare bones game

[covert stag]

https://tenor.com/view/pick-me-blake-shelton-the-voice-choose-me-over-here-gif-16888083

[slender arrow]

Yeah lol but at some point even your like Ight im out lol 😂

[covert stag]

True lol

[pliant yoke]

At some point you just give up on trynna find out how to elder actively

[red musk]

the red thing in the night sky is the moon according to the patreon lore posts, its said that volcanic erruptions happening there sent the elementals to our planet...
did anyone check the craters after the 2nd step?

[heavy ridge]

The moon is the planet's moon.

[heavy ridge]

Pretty sure he said the new method would be partially campable, not the current method, but I'll double check.

^ thought so

[pliant yoke]

Im glad its being changed

[heavy ridge]

To be clear, we have "First step, become that which you seek, so that you can seek what you wish to become" -a clue relating to the first of three steps.

And the other night we received [attached] about steps 2 & 3.

We have confirmed that the whole (current) process is soloable, non-campable, not to do with pvp or nesting

[heavy ridge]

TBH, yeah.

[astral fog]

2. Kill? that which you've become?

3. Chase the moon you'll find yourself again?

[heavy ridge]

We think it's kill, yeah. Because Jao said this earlier in response to someone killing their elder

[heavy ridge]

And we're pretty sure it's not time of day dependent.

Could have changed. Could just as easily be "a v o i d" and be during the day rather than at night.

[heavy ridge]

Nharogk (the moon) travels North to South, right?

[pliant yoke]

so 2 is def 'kill that which you've become'

but whats 3rd

@civic merlin do u dare to ping him again and ask? 😂 😂

[heavy ridge]

It has been a day don't you dare

Sour we love you, but let your power remain mysterious and unrepeated.
(Voesk wants you to ping Jao)

[pliant yoke]

do u dare to ask him for any more/new hints?

[pliant yoke]

was not my idea

[heavy ridge]

XD you dont get to throw sour under the bus ❣️

[pliant yoke]

Well i wasnt very active in this chat the last few days so idk bout any pings

I only know bout that one time like a week ago

[slender arrow]

Use your dragon brain 🧠 and figure it out I did step 1 and 2 already been running around the map , water fall snowy , flat rock island 🏝️ howeled got shot at nothing happened

[heavy ridge]

You don't need to be rude, they asked if anyone in your position had gone up to the impact sites in the NW corner of the map, and from the sound of it you haven't.

[slender arrow]

Lmfao

What the heck are you talking about who’s being rude

?

If anything I was giving dude a complement cuz he use to be the the person that would figure out stuff cuz of his knowledge of the game

[slender arrow]

If your gonna be a marshmallow you probably don’t belong in this chat then get the Steppin

[cosmic river]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-the-newspaper-armie-hammer-maxim-de-winter-rebecca-take-a-look-gif-18488108

[analog mural]

https://tenor.com/view/peek-a-boo-hide-hermit-spy-peek-gif-5786374

[proper patio]

Let us know if you check out the crater, still worth a shot and a decent idea

Jao said he wanted this elder system to "reward people for playing" (I don't agree that it does) BUT, randomly trying stuff is the best we can do 🤣

I bet you are frustrated but you have been a big help trying stuff out! I don't have an elder so not much I can do rn except think haha

[steady rock]

Late reply but oh well XD any planet can have moons, moon is an object what orbits another object what's not a Star, so Jrakhon clearly has moons, 2 of them..."Moon" isn't a unique name to the one orbiting Earth, we just weren't creative enough to give IT a name, technicaly it's like if someone called their dog Dog XD

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[pliant yoke]

Okay but even if, jao said it can be done at any time so not sure if he means the dod moon with it

[red musk]

that's part of why i thought of the craters, they are there both day and night, and are vaguely related to the moon

[pliant yoke]

Sorry but how are they related to the moon? Is that some kind of lore stuff?

[red musk]

yea, there is volcanic activity on the moon, that sent the elementals to our planet, and i assume that left craters

[slender arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-baby-gif-19557808

[tough talon]

This is providing it even comes out in 2 months. Whose to say it wont get pushed, like it already has?

[mint tulip]

Okay so I am going to clear something up I don't know if anyone actually pays attention to the sky all that much so I personally don't know if this is the case or not but just because the Moon is up doesn't necessarily mean it is night time for this world so can anyone tell me have you ever looked up at the sky during the day and is the Moon there?

Remember this isn't Earth

[slender arrow]

When I was on top of snowy during the day the sun was up like you could see it

[chrome yarrow]

only very early in trhe morning though

when the sun is full up it dissapears below the horizon. I am waiting to see when it appears again in the SW

[chrome yarrow]

the moon comes back at sundown but at no other point did i see a moon during the day

[tardy perch]

I suppose technically the moon is under the ground, even if you can't see it lol

[hot jasper]

It could easily be nest - you could nest someone on your elder then have that person elder then you unlock it

[dense current]

the only issue w that is then it's not soloable

[void patrol]

It was said that it can be done soloable

[dense current]

mhm exactly

[timber laurel]

That is if eldering is even added. I don’t think it ever was, otherwise someone would have well found it by now. Even by accident

[summer arch]

He said no pvp no nesting iirc

[naive oxide]

i just hope that when they do change it, we’re told what it was before

[slender arrow]

Nah I don’t mine trying to figure it out … it’s just when your community has done everything and found nothing is when I’m like Ight bro at this point tell us lol 😂 and the fact that he is changing it next patch as well should be more of a reason to tell us

[heavy ridge]

Haven't seen you in a bit, Grimlock. We got confirmation on the unlocking step, there's 4? of us in this chat that have pulled it off. We think we know step 2, which 2 people have completed. We've been waiting about 3 days for 2 people to stumble over step 3.
Aggravating, but not "dev is lying about putting it in" levels quite yet. Hope you're having a good one tho!

[red musk]

he should tell us a bit before so that we can actually prove it was in the game at all Xd

[pliant yoke]

Well im not pinging him

[compact berry]

[slender arrow]

I went to the spots and nothing waited for night nothing lol 😂 even went to the 3rd spot and nothing walked around and 1 called nothing

[vagrant orbit]

Scheduled hints from devs would be great. Instead of random crumbs.

[red musk]

the solution keeps eluding us all

the use of the word moon is so confusing Xd

[pulsar swift]

What is step 2? Been sick for a bit

[lime viper]

Nah man just give it to us straight xD Eldering is basically the only thing you can do endgame atm besides... gatcha game nesting haha

[slender arrow]

Step 1 elder step 2 die step 3 we don’t know

[pliant yoke]

'kill that which you've become'

[proper patio]

We assume that is step 2. There is no real way to confirm it really. I'm hesitant that is the answer because it doesn't make a lot of sense. (And yes I saw Jaos response to Rusty - I just don't believe that 100% confirms killing is step 2 unless Jao outright says yes kill your elder)

[fading bramble]

huh xD

[pliant yoke]

its step 2 it means kill ur elder

[fading bramble]

uhh

got it

[pliant yoke]

?

we still dont know step 3 tho

[fading bramble]

miss my elders fr xD

[pliant yoke]

we might never find out the 3rd step

[native yacht]

fellas its been confirm eldering will change in 1.01

[timber laurel]

I see, thanks for informing me, the information is helpful! And yeah I’ve just been busy juggling irl and game time, you?

[heavy ridge]

XD I've been very busy IRL. Glad to hear back from you! I spend a few spare minutes to lurk the discord, but I haven't actually gotten in-game for over 4 days now.

I should be able to pull screenshots for you,

And our "evidence" for why we think step 2 is kill your elder:

[covert stag]

Just got my second Elder tick on ASD (supposed step 2). 1 tick during the day the second during the night. NO difference....

Gonna try getting ticks during different positions of the moon in the sky

If it is to do with the moon i would imagine it would be when its at it highest point. Only thing that i can make any sense of from that sentence about the moon is "UNDER THE moon"

[faint rose]

Guys, he said the system will be changed with 1.01, meaning its not in the game yet. Trying anything right now is useless.

[dense current]

just because it's being changed does not mean its not in the game lmao

[faint rose]

True, except he specifically said "the eldering system is changing in update 1.0.1" which is the most specific he's been about the whole thing, instead of his usual vague nonsense

[barren cave]

So? How do you get "it's not in the game yet" out of Jao stating he's changing it?

[hot jasper]

Because there's almost no way Jao would devote a ton of time to making an eldering system just to change it next update. Plus, he's not telling us actually how, which means it's probably just not in at all. Why else would he keep that a secret?

[heavy ridge]

How long have you been around? Because that does sound like Jao to me.

Lots of games with a community focus (MMORPGs come to mind most frequently) keep mechanics as a secret to let the community come together to figure it out.

Jao's, well, new to it. But there's a portion of the community that likes trying to figure things out rather than have it handed to us. Is the 1.0.x eldering system a good example? Eeeh.

He tries, and he scraps, and he goes at it again. But he does, eventually, deliver

If we can't figure out steps 2&3 before 1.0.1, he'll tell us. But until then, he's not going to preemptively deny us our victory if we do figure it out.

[golden pivot]

Yo wssup peeps

Please tell me you found out the other steps

[golden pivot]

I love this… BUT WHAT ELSE ARE WE MEWNT TO TEST

[tired spruce]

Even if the new mechanic takes place after update, but devs are still secretive about it, not that much will change

I understand simple things like skins being kept as a "quest" of sort, but eldering is a core mechanic, so it really shouldn't be
Also, if he decides to make multiple step progression, we should get a notification in game, that a step is completed, so we at least know that we're on right track

[pliant yoke]

Step 1: ||elder passively||
Step 2: ||kill ur elder||
Step 3: ||no idea, did you think i knew it||

[worthy python]

How do we know its to kill your elder?

[pliant yoke]

And 'kill that which youve become' fits

[worthy python]

true

[pliant yoke]

Btw how do we know when rhino is working and when he's free?

[hot jasper]

Since 2021

[golden pivot]

Actually, I thought ur gonna say ||REDACTED|| to them all

[pliant yoke]

No the 3rd step is actually to ||REDACTED REDACTED||

[golden pivot]

Okay istg u got me on this one

[pliant yoke]

Altough

[golden pivot]

It says something about the moon and that’s SO funny

[pliant yoke]

At night we def have to try out to ||REDACTED REDACTED|| to find ourselves again

[golden pivot]

Like how tf are we meant to guess it

[pliant yoke]

No idea

First letter would be nice

[golden pivot]

Enough 🫠

I mean bro

When it was completely unknown we were meant to guess it, then now he says something with the moon… and ofc we can’t guess still

[golden pivot]

HEAR ME OUT

[pliant yoke]

Atleast we kinda found out the 2nd step by ourselves

[golden pivot]

Remember the old REDACTED hint can u pls send it in on my phone

[pliant yoke]

Im on my phone aswell rn

😂

[golden pivot]

It’s funny that we did with sarcasm bc it was just like “bro imagine it’s just passive ”

[golden pivot]

🤣🤣💔

[pliant yoke]

Yea because we couldnt believe its having to elder passively first cus he said its an active way

[pliant yoke]

What redacted hint are you even talking bout

[golden pivot]

And then we were like “now bro imagine u gotta kill it after all this time no way 🤣🤣” … it actually is…

[pliant yoke]

Hm..

[golden pivot]

To elder u gotta redacted redacted redacted then bla bla bla to go bla bla bla bla

[pliant yoke]

Now we're like it has to be done at night even tho rhino said it can be done at any time..

[golden pivot]

Isn’t the moon appearing even in the day?…

[pliant yoke]

So we have to go somewhere!

[pliant yoke]

Nope it isnt

[golden pivot]

I wanted to see it again bc I think that last step meant the moon thing don’t quote me on that I kinda forgot what it said

[pliant yoke]

Maybe we have to go somewhere where smth looks like a moon? But that's make no sense cus the map creator doesnt know the way to elder

https://tenor.com/view/melissabug-thinking-brain-science-confused-gif-26212921

[golden pivot]

Bro check the file In pinned, or just the video with pancake and echo the map maker

He does know sonething but the trick is

HE DOESNT KNOW ITS FOR ELDERING!!!

most likely.

Maybe u just 1 call under the moonlight and the aurora

[pliant yoke]

So many ppl tried that already, didnt work.

@golden pivot Shh do you dare to ping rhino and ask for a hint? 😂

[golden pivot]

Bro limme get back home on my pc ima write him 4 pages of pain so he feels emotional and tells us

Bro istg this auto correcter

Limme cook bro 👍🏻🔥

[pliant yoke]

I feel like a mod is watching rn

[golden pivot]

Is it wrong tho

I mean most big hints we got are from ppl pinging him

[pliant yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-kenny-sebastian-looking-around-nervous-anxious-gif-24223402

[pliant yoke]

Yea thats true

He should give us one last hint before he tells us what it was

But he should give us a good hint maybe the place or the first letters of the words in step 3

[golden pivot]

It’s only 1 more last step and 1 more last hint, all we got from that step is the word moon bro, 1 more help we’lll be good

[pliant yoke]

Yes

I agree

[golden pivot]

Odd tbh I just need one more thing so it worths searching

[pliant yoke]

True true

[golden pivot]

Hold on look @pliant yoke

Look at 2nd step

[pliant yoke]

Hm?

[golden pivot]

The number # matches the sentence (kill that which you’ve become)

[pliant yoke]

I know

I already said it fits in

[golden pivot]

I didn’t xe

X-ray

Bro what

[pliant yoke]

I was the one who said its kill that which youve become xD

[golden pivot]

I’m try a say XD

[pliant yoke]

Bro ya good?

You smoked anything?

[golden pivot]

Auto correction gonna kill me

[golden pivot]

I just meant if it does on 2nd step, it’ll also match if we find something fitting for step 3

[pliant yoke]

We already had so many words

Like under, after etc

None of em worked

[golden pivot]

Man I wish I already started passive eldering my asd istg I didn’t think there’s 1% chance that’s the method

[pliant yoke]

But we think its # # # # # the moon you'll find yourself again

We still have no damn clue what could be the 1st word

We tried everything we could think of

We need hints

[golden pivot]

Bro imagine if it’s moon you’ll ki|| yourse|f again Lmao

[pliant yoke]

😂

It has to be as many letters as #

[golden pivot]

Alight now I starting to think it’s not auto correction fault im high it seems

Well find = kill

[pliant yoke]

After the moon you'll ki\ yourself again

Wait

Does that make sense

[golden pivot]

I mean

Bro this realization moment.

[pliant yoke]

Imagine its actually right

[golden pivot]

That will be even more dumb than the other boring steps of passive eldering

Like bro I ain’t here to grow n die

[pliant yoke]

After the moon you'll grow yourself again

[golden pivot]

But trust me it’s big possibility

[golden pivot]

Alright that’s too many possibilities

[pliant yoke]

Chase the moon you'll need yourself again

Under the moon you'll love yourself again

[golden pivot]

Alright bro ima be home couple hours I’ll right down all possible words to filter them down idk if someone tried before me

We need smth solid

[pliant yoke]

Someone already did

[golden pivot]

did they get to anything maybe

[pliant yoke]

Not Rlly nah

But im on phone so can't show you

[golden pivot]

Hey there’s something I noticed idk if it’s worth mentioning

[pliant yoke]

Everything is word being mentioned

[golden pivot]

Idk what’s the point but it’s like that thing that is just there for no real reason, unless there actually is

[pliant yoke]

?

[golden pivot]

When u spown in, u don’t get mutation point asap

[pliant yoke]

Yo what u talking bout

[golden pivot]

When ur egg despowns, u get it

Bro wait limme correct it LMAO

[pliant yoke]

It has nth to do with nesting and its soloable btw

[pliant yoke]

Man your high

[golden pivot]

I know I just mean it’s something there

[golden pivot]

I’m struggling man lmao

Ima disable this nerd

[pliant yoke]

Omg it'll get even worse i bet

[golden pivot]

Test

[pliant yoke]

Gg, u typed correctly

[golden pivot]

Nah trust me tho my fingers are huge but i can handle it

[pliant yoke]

Bro

That sounded so wrong in so many ways

[golden pivot]

At least i wont say potato and it just types ima kms i stead

Instead

[pliant yoke]

Bro..

Enable it Gain

Again

[golden pivot]

It does worse i swear

Naaah naah we’re good trust

[pliant yoke]

I trust

Hm wait..

[golden pivot]

🤝

[pliant yoke]

Nah trust doesnt have 4 letters

I thought it was smth with you'll trust yourself again

[golden pivot]

It does

[pliant yoke]

Bro

[golden pivot]

Ah nah

[pliant yoke]

Did bro say trust has gour letters

Four

[golden pivot]

Bro this is eldering method not how to get confident book

[pliant yoke]

You never know xDD

[golden pivot]

Gour letters, please enable auto correcter

[pliant yoke]

I have it on

Like not auto correction but it says the closest worss

Words

[golden pivot]

Ight then ur cracked man lmao

[pliant yoke]

And i click em

Should i enable it?

Itll be more xracked

Creaxked

Cracked

[golden pivot]

If phones had bigger keyboards all our problems will be solved

[pliant yoke]

My phone is already very big

[golden pivot]

Lol naaah u dont wanna say some random ahh word in the middle of a sentence

[pliant yoke]

Cracked

Oh

[golden pivot]

Bro i was tryna say XD it… IT JUST WROTE X-RAY WHAT

[pliant yoke]

Beo sec

[final cargo]

veosk has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[golden pivot]

Lmao

[pliant yoke]

Ok so

Anyways

[golden pivot]

Lets not talk abt this some mod gonnna be looking and feel wierd about it

Wow.

[pliant yoke]

Test test auto correction is on

Nice

[golden pivot]

Call the moon youll find yourself again

[pliant yoke]

Under the moon you'll hurt yourself again

[golden pivot]

Bc the thing before moon is for sure THE , three letters

[pliant yoke]

Someone already tried calling the moon

Bro

[golden pivot]

After dying as an elder?

[pliant yoke]

Yes

[golden pivot]

Meh…

[pliant yoke]

Maybe its not thw

Maybe its for

[golden pivot]

But look

In this fame theres no hints

They have to try it, then go check if tick is different

[pliant yoke]

They dod

Did

[golden pivot]

Or maybe try it all then check the tick

Wow.

[pliant yoke]

They all tried everything already

Im waiting for my auto correction to do a mistake

[golden pivot]

this is confusing tho where is the social part tho

Or nvm its not abt eldering thats gonna be a. It social

A bit*

[pliant yoke]

Idk who's more cracked rn

You or me

Do you have auto correction on

[golden pivot]

5 am for me so i must br thr more cracked

[pliant yoke]

Its 4:16am for me

[golden pivot]

Oh yeah and this writing abilities prove it

[pliant yoke]

Atleast I have auto correction on now

It'd be a disaster if I turned it off

[golden pivot]

I dont 😔

It destroyed more than it fixed

[pliant yoke]

Couldn't we.. ask ai?

To help us

[golden pivot]

Broooooooo whaaaat

[pliant yoke]

Bro idk

[golden pivot]

Hell yeah thats insane

[pliant yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[golden pivot]

That’s genius chatGPT give it the whole context then the 3 steps

Itll findit out

[pliant yoke]

I bet

Btw why did you say ore ymgonna be home in a few hours

Its literally five am

[golden pivot]

if someone can spent that time telling it to the bot, all the hints and rules and ideas

[pliant yoke]

Didn't you wanna text rjino

[tardy perch]

I can ask a random character from a different game ot try and fill i nthe blanks

[golden pivot]

Welp im in some other town visiting family gotta drive back home

[pliant yoke]

Thats a food ide

A vood idea

[tardy perch]

Mmmm food ideas

[pliant yoke]

A good

[golden pivot]

WOW

[tardy perch]

XD!

[golden pivot]

UR AUTO CORRECTER STARTED BANGING

[pliant yoke]

No i turned it off

XD

[golden pivot]

lmao u ask for suffer man

[pliant yoke]

I do i deeed

I deed

[golden pivot]

How can u just ask a NPC in some game

[pliant yoke]

You never mnow maybe ktll actually be right

[golden pivot]

Okay now im reading this with guessing and filling blanks like im tryna find eldering 3rd step man

[pliant yoke]

Thats a good training actually

[golden pivot]

Fr

[pliant yoke]

Train for moon youll find yourself again

[tardy perch]

I'm using a site called character.ai to talk to characters from videogames

[pliant yoke]

Train the moon

[golden pivot]

OH MY GOD TALK TO JRAKHON

DO IT

[tardy perch]

There isn't a Jrakhon A.I made yet though XD I can only talk to A.i that's been made

[pliant yoke]

Talk to any ai

No

Talk to evwry I

Every ai

[golden pivot]

ahhhhh

[pliant yoke]

Under the moon youll know yourself agaon

[edgy wasp]

I’ve been putting it through the free version of Chat-gpt for the past half hour but it’s to stupid to do it correctly so that’s a fail

[golden pivot]

Wouldve been so fun to just talk to THE FIRSTBORNE

[tardy perch]

Yeah sadly the character I'm asking isn't realizing that the _ I'm putting is supposed to be a letter

[golden pivot]

I never knew its paid

Thats sad

[edgy wasp]

The app I have has a free and paid version

[pliant yoke]

After the moon you'll know yourself again

[golden pivot]

don’t forget

Remember when he said its too dragony

And the whole method is too dead, this is the only active part

So it must br the dragony one

[pliant yoke]

Hm

So we have to thinkike dragons

[golden pivot]

What a dragon is gonna be doing with the moon

[pliant yoke]

Looking at it

[golden pivot]

Also dont forget

[pliant yoke]

Fly to it

[golden pivot]

This moon

[pliant yoke]

Sleep

[golden pivot]

Is their CURSE

[pliant yoke]

Hide

[golden pivot]

Ita where- bro

[pliant yoke]

Attack

[golden pivot]

Its where elementals come from

[pliant yoke]

Scared

Ahoot

Ahoot

Shoot

I dont tjink im good

[golden pivot]

No, sadly not lmao

HEAR ME OUT

[pliant yoke]

Speak my friend

[golden pivot]

Remember that ravine and crater are high risk high reward

[pliant yoke]

Wdym

[golden pivot]

What if, they are where u gotta do the stuff u gotta do, it makes u grow bigger but its gonna be dangerous cuz everyone wanna alao grow bigger

But so its not campable u can still do it anywhere

[tardy perch]

As funny as this is, the A.i keeps not saying the right words. He keeps saying works that are too many letters

You have failed me Scaramouche

[golden pivot]

Afk

[pliant yoke]

Maybe say how many letters the wors shave

Aords have

Words

[tardy perch]

I tried. I told it I would put in [ ] the amount of letters the blank word is. He still kept saying the same guesses

[edgy wasp]

Happened to me too with chat gpt

[tardy perch]

Now he's telling me I'm obsessed with the moon XD

[edgy wasp]

Then I yelled at it and it temporarily worked

[pliant yoke]

Guys

What is dragony

[tardy perch]

That is not a word

[pliant yoke]

What did it say

[pliant yoke]

What is dragonlike

[tardy perch]

Uhhhh...doing anything as a dragon I suppose

[edgy wasp]

Nothing useful

[pliant yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-stare-100-yard-stare-meme-gif-251436459491629941

[heavy ridge]

Fight the moon

[edgy wasp]

I assume it has to be grammatically correct tho right?

They wouldn’t be that mean

[heavy ridge]

Reasonable assumption.

[pliant yoke]

How do we fight the moon

[tardy perch]

Lick the moon

[pliant yoke]

How do we lick it

[tardy perch]

with great effort

(I'm joking btw lol)

[heavy ridge]

[As was I, we've tried shooting at it]

[pliant yoke]

True true

[edgy wasp]

Steal the moon

[heavy ridge]

Avoid the moon, and you'll hunt yourself again.

[edgy wasp]

Like the guy from minions

[pliant yoke]

Trust the moon???

[edgy wasp]

Most of the words aren’t grammatically correct tho, you’d need a comma

[pliant yoke]

So its either after or under?

[heavy ridge]

Jao's American, I'm not 100% certain he knows what commas are used for (I sure dont)

[pliant yoke]

Or maybe its not supposed to be grammatically right

[heavy ridge]

Like, I don't think it'd be Flight And Moon, but I'd not depend on weither or not a comma is there

[pliant yoke]

Asd cant fly

[edgy wasp]

Well if it doesn’t follow comma rules then there’s a lot more options

[heavy ridge]

"Supposed to reward playing the game" do we... do we think it's "after the moon"? Are you... are you supposed to wait a day before # # # # yourself?

[pliant yoke]

No idea

Go ask rhino

😂

[edgy wasp]

I’m still confused why eldering requires you to be an elder

[pliant yoke]

Same

Elder the moon you'll find yourself again

How do we elder the moon

[heavy ridge]

I, think, the idea was that, like how patreon rewards aren't a store, they're a reward for participating. Eldering was ment to be a reward for participating, rather than something to seek out.
But, we don't have a mid game yet, so that full out didn't go over well.

[tardy perch]

You guys are overthinking it. This 3 step process isn't how you are meant to elder EVERY time. It's suppose to unlock something. My GUESS is it unlocks a different method to faster eldering, like a grindable method. But we really don't know.

[edgy wasp]

Do we have a list of what it can’t be related to and how we know that? Like I think someone said it’s not related to pvp but do we know where this came from and what else eldering isn’t related to?

[heavy ridge]

Let me, let me scroll through my screenshots and ill grab some for you.

[proper patio]

It's an unconfirmed theory that this is step 2

[heavy ridge]

These are from the step 1 reveal

[heavy ridge]

The "not dependent on time of day" was from a while ago, and Lime confirmed they were there during that livestream.

The "mushrooms aren't dragony enough" was also from a livestream, I was there for that one, I want to say it was a holiday/end of year stream from at least the year before last.

These are from the steps 2/3 hint

[edgy wasp]

So they’re completely changing the system from what it currently is in the next update?

That’s boring

[tardy perch]

Some are glad because apparently people hate passive eldering. But I dunno, I wish we knew this current method entirely before he changed it. All we know is he wants this process to be solo-able, and non-campable, which the current process is. But he did say he wants to try and make it more accessible for the next patch, since people were very much complaining that passive eldering was too much of a commitment (I'd argue against that but alas...)

[edgy wasp]

Yeah I’d rather figure it out and then change it

[fading canyon]

Im pretty positive the current method is pretty much all passively done by playing the game which is why hes changing it, since it made elders too rare for what he wanted, Like he wasnt lying about active eldering being in the game, its just that the active way to elder is simply by playing the game so its totally possible that hint number 2 #### that which youve ###### is just "Play that which youve become"

My assumption would be that you just play for a certain amount of time after passively eldering like, maybe logging a set amount of hours (Not in those 12 hour intervals tho) the third step im still uncertain about though

[wide canopy]

Ngl my take was “kill what youve become”

[simple ore]

What if only the first step (passive eldering) was soloable and and could be done at any time of the day? And had nothing to do with nesting? Was Jaos response ONLY about that first step??? What if you have to seek out another of what you have become? And UNDER THE MOON YOU´LL NEST YOURSELF AGAIN (other elders)???

Or AFTER ONE MOON you´ll nest yourself?

Maybe Elders can nest elders after they´re one month old?

like they can nest one elder nest every month?

does the jhrakon moon go through cycles like the one on earth? New, full?

[compact reef]

Did my message get removed?

[simple ore]

What message?

[compact reef]

It related to the 3rd step but it's gone whatever

[simple ore]

what did you say about it?

[compact reef]

Doesn't matter why I don't write things in here

[stray notch]

bro just threw "Nest" randomly
it aint gambling bro

[wide canopy]

the eldering system ISNT pvp or nesting..

[pliant yoke]

It has to be the 2nd step because rhino asked what rusty did after he sacrificed his elder, also 'kill that which you've become' fits in the sentence.

So it def is the second step

[simple ore]

I know that Jao said that. I am questioning whether he said that in response to someone asking about the FIRST step. We know the FIRST step isn´t that. I was asking whether we know for sure that the comment "it´s not pvp or nesting related" could possibly only be regarding the first step and not the entire eldering process.

[heavy ridge]

I'm not going to make you scroll, but in context, it was about the process in general

Not just the first step

[turbid copper]

Yeah

[proper patio]

All I am saying is don't talk in absolutes because it shuts down alternative ideas. It sounds reasonable but it's not "definitely" the answer for step 2

[pliant yoke]

i had more proof but cant find it rn

[proper patio]

Ok lol

[wide canopy]

Imo it should cover all the steps as its ELDERING. And its meant to be accessible by everyone. Things like pvp and nesting should still apply

[proper patio]

I agree and I think this is highly possible. In the last QnA he mentioned it being a system that rewarded people for playing, and if it's not related to nesting or PvP and isn't campable, the only thing that would make sense is, well existing and playing the game (fully passive). Did we ever confirm him saying the 3 steps unlock an active method?

[pliant yoke]

Ofc we did. We have to do 3 steps to activate an active elder method and we already know the first 2 steps

Accept it or just dont

[proper patio]

The whole point of this channel is brainstorming. I am supporting theories of others and bouncing ideas. Unless Jao himself confirms an idea as fact, it's best not to talk as if some ideas are fact

[covert stag]

I thought Jao himself said something along the lines of "To Unlock active Elder first you must redacted"?

[proper patio]

Okay, I asked because I couldn't fully remember but I'll double check the Google doc 😊

[covert stag]

Checking the doc aswell. This is what he said “if you want to elder then you must redacted redacted redacted”. But then there is another part where he says “But there is a first step that unlocks the process”

[fading canyon]

Yup yup, i asked a couple of questions about it while i was in there

[fading canyon]

This doesnt mean that actively eldering cant be some form of passively eldering either, Jao specifically said when he was going for that SWG style he meant in a way that rewards players for playing the game, Jao mentioned that we were all trying to actively elder currently when we just really cant, as everything to unlocking elder is done by just playing the game

which is why im thinking that that second step "#### that which youve ######" is simply just "Play that which youve become"

Im pretty positive its in the game, its just not as active as we think it is

[unborn ice]

Why would you have to edler first before you can quickly elder

I don’t agree with that logic at all. Especially from a POV where you want people to enjoy the game

It’s not enjoyable to receive .9% of a bar every 12 irl hours

[wide canopy]

imo eldering isnt in the game or EXTREMELY broken

It can only be tested by 1 person, no?

[fading canyon]

Hence why he said hes changing it, the whole reason the eldering system is the way it is currently is because A. Mushrooms were just too campable and ppl didnt like that, and B. Jao wanted elders to be rare, But thats why he said he was changing it, Because he realized that the current system makes elders too rare for what he wants, and that a passive method isnt what people really like, so hes changing it. He mentioned that he will make the new system more of an active one so it will still be slightly campable

just not mushroom level of campable

Im confident that its in the game after the last QnA, its just not what people want. And by the looks of it no matter what he impliments for an eldering system hes not going to be able to make everyone happy about it. Make it too passive/difficult to figure out? People tell him hes lying and its not actually in the game. Make it more active? People are probably going to complain that its campable and not enjoyable

[unborn ice]

After you reach adult there isn’t much to do but die

[fading canyon]

Not really sure about the deleted msgs, but he commented that he realized that the current system was a bit rough, hence why hes working on tweaking it to be more in the middle, Mushrooms were wayyy too campable, New system is way to passive, Hopefully the new system is somewhere in the middle, or hopefully still active with less campability

[unborn ice]

I mean having randomly generated Spawns

Or even having it a quest system like mela unlock

Maybe grow without eating ai

Will speed up your passive tick time

Or something like that

So somebody who ate 0 bugs growing to adult will reach elder 75% faster than someone who only ate bugs

Only draw back I can see from that is kosing

And pve

[maiden island]

pretty sure you'd starve if you only ate mushrooms cause of the sickness-

oh wait new ai

[unborn ice]

If anything the system should encourage you to play the game not keep your player logged out for 12 hrs

I feel like gate keeping elders from 95% of the community also shouldn’t be a thing. It shouldn’t be that rare to see an elder. Maybe make it so like 30-40% of players are elder. And than maybe you can add ancient and keep it gate kept to the most dedicated players

[fading canyon]

I would recommend putting it in suggestions and or feedback, i understand that the new system is rough and unfair to players who have jobs, school, stuff that wouldnt allow them to log on like the elder system requires

[unborn ice]

Or even a life at all?

I mean 30 days minimum to become an elder? That’s insane

[fading canyon]

But i personally dont see any point in complaining about it when Hes already admitted to it being hard, and that he never wanted elders to be that rare

and changing it

[unborn ice]

You gotta admit that’s is literally insane for such a simple mechanic

[fading canyon]

Nobodys saying that its not, even jao said he didnt want it to be that hard

[unborn ice]

But he did. He made it like that lol. You had to passive elder before you can unlock the better way. He supposedly made it like that

And it doesn’t take a mathematician to calculate how many REAL days it would take to achieve that

[fading canyon]

Yes because he wants people to figure it out, so there isnt really anybody to test it but him unfortunately, But again there isnt really any point in complaining about it since hes already planning on changing it anyways

[unborn ice]

Shouldn’t take more than 4 days for the most dedicated player to become elder in my opinion

[fading canyon]

He said in the QnA the new system hes changing it to should only take a few days to elder fully

[unborn ice]

Good very good

I’m glad to hear that

[stray notch]

anyone found 3rd step?

[maiden island]

havn't even found 2nd step my guy lol

[stray notch]

its kill that which you've became

[maiden island]

no?

nothing is confirmed lol

and thats not possible to do in solo unless you off your own passivly grown elder

which is dumb cause at that point jsut keep it

[stray notch]

bro check pics up chhat

jao lowkey confirmed it

[naive otter]

these are legit

[stray notch]

and it can be done solo, starve, or a bug

[naive otter]

please read before you assume we havent found the steps or been told

[maiden island]

please stop pinging me

also yes- unless it's DIRECTLY confirmed don't assume there are many other things it could possible be

[pliant yoke]

We have lol

[maiden island]

again please don't ping me i just said it lmao

[naive otter]

also this (recent btw)

[maiden island]

also my statement still stands, it's not confirmed till jao specifies it

[naive otter]

he also asked what someone did after, someone killed their elder after

hope this is enough confirrmation that step 2 is to most likely kill your elder

[maiden island]

asking a question doesn't really confirm anything though ^^"

just me ig

[naive otter]

fair opinion honestly. just trying to help out is all

if he confirms that we must kill our elders to unlock the process then all we have atm is just a goose chase for elder imo

[pliant yoke]

Mb i didnt read you saying you dont wanna be pinged

[maiden island]

it's good, ty tho ^^

[deft patrol]

You could also disable pings for at least this server lol 😮

[pliant yoke]

Also I wont change my opinion until rhino says anything different, cus of this:

[naive otter]

it's what sparrow was saying aswell, its a question.. not really confirmation if death really is step two. i completely understand

[pliant yoke]

Ive said it for like multiple days now

[naive otter]

even tho some do hate mushrooms. i personally miss them. if they were just randomized more (location, and respawn timer) then it'd wouldnt be as easily campable.. but i do also understand why its difficult to deal with the mushrooms

and honestly instead of toxin when eating a wrong mushroom. i would honestly perfer an elder debuff instead. but no one is going to want mushrooms again

[maiden island]

i personally miss the mushrooms 🤔 i didn't like clans "claiming" shroom spaces tho that's about the only thing i didn't liek

[pliant yoke]

I rlly hated the camping tbh

If they want they can bring back mushrooms, but only when each species has atleast 150mushrooms

[naive otter]

that's why instead of specific locations and random respawn between 30mins to an hr. instead make it completely randomized with an AOE that does two things around the map; random spawn points and respawn time.. make it unpredicatble to track. that way they cannot be camped.

and if a dragon eats a wrong shroom, make it more of a deterrent by causing them to lose elder progress instead of toxin

my idea, you dont have to agree.. you can completely disagree with me

[pliant yoke]

Tbh i totally agree with you Scarlett

[maiden island]

i want this ngl

i prefered the mushrooms personally but we havn't seen/don't know how he's changing the eldering system so before i'm judging to hard i'm patiently waiting

[pliant yoke]

Do you guys think one day (maybe in a couple of years, maybe even in 10-20) we'll have multiple ways to elder? For example one server has mushroom, another server has the current etc, and you can change it in server settings? Thatd be wild ngl

[naive otter]

in addition to my idea. and with what you said. passive eldering could still be an optional choice of those who doesnt want to do mushrooms

[maiden island]

that'd be freaking awesome making it a server setting to choose between the old eldering system to the newer system

[naive otter]

have multiple options for eldering, one simple (mushrooms would be under this), one more difficult but able to be understood (passive eldering or something similar to)

should i add my idea into #1067202526878896248? i've been thinking of this and how to make it a viable suggestion ever since mushrooms were introduced.. always been afraid to suggest

so should i?

[pliant yoke]

Yea add it

[naive otter]

i will

Done!

[stray notch]

just sending it again so yall never forget, and keep brain storming 24/7 ^^

lets go back on jedi stuff, he mentioned it i remember

what is jedi relation with moon.

[naive otter]

i wish i knew a thing about star wars n jedi's maybe i could do some research?

[pliant yoke]

whats jedi

[stray notch]

i also wish i know, tried it once and realized how in depth it is then gave it up for the nerds of it XD

[pliant yoke]

what has jedi to do with it

[stray notch]

just google it, im not totally sure to give info

jao once said he loves star wars

especially jedis

and i dont know full context but we just know he might have inspired it from there

HOLD ON HEAR ME OUT

[pliant yoke]

btw do we have 2 diff tamims or are you the same?

[stray notch]

shh thats my phone

[pliant yoke]

just had to make sure you were the high guy

[stray notch]

a member of an order of mystical warriors who can access and manipulate a pervasive spiritual energy called the Force to perform supernatural feats.

focus on highlighted

what if the moon thing jao mentioned

is just like this, having access to the power of ancients

[pliant yoke]

what if he doesnt mean the planet

[stray notch]

yk smth like that

[stray notch]

i am, always

[stray notch]

i dont get it?

[pliant yoke]

what if theres smth on the map that looks like a moon

[stray notch]

do u think ima be good for exploring this stuff as this guy D:

[pliant yoke]

yes

[stray notch]

well someone mentioned something like that, ima check if its real before telling ||if its real im fr not gonna say it here||

[pliant yoke]

is elder ss or adult bio faster?

[stray notch]

bro for sure bio

only the elder blitz gonna be as fast as bio, actually slightly slower

[pliant yoke]

well if ur elder ss you can look around better

because u arent THAT fast

get my point?

[stray notch]

huh

[pliant yoke]

if u over the map slower you might discover smth u cant find when u fly fast

[fading canyon]

its better to probably explore on an ss, just becuase bio cant elder, and is super fast so you might miss something

[pliant yoke]

thats what i meant

thank you

[fading canyon]

Plus if there is any kind of msg in game, searching on bio we would miss it

[stray notch]

i know but im too lazy to get my SS, also im on survival so nah ima just look for places

i dont have any elder so its not even worth searching

[pliant yoke]

what was the name of the server you can spawn in as elder again?

[stray notch]

if i had an elder smth i would use it, or killed an elder of mine, but the highest i got on smth was a 12% asd that died in a fight 🥲

[stray notch]

any server that says spown as adult

most common scaleworx DeathMatch

[pliant yoke]

yes that was the name

thanks

[stray notch]

THAT IS WHERE THE MOON SETS

[pliant yoke]

btw did anyone ever notice how fs has those back spikes in every pic but not ingame?

[stray notch]

i did!!!

probably cuz he's ancient not adult or elder

[fading canyon]

Pancake just released a vid, the new eldering method will be server based, effecting all players in the area simultaneously supposedly

[pliant yoke]

ancient is just bigger, thats it

[stray notch]

WHAT

[stray notch]

dont talk about the ancient they showed off in legacy, that had an elder model

[fading canyon]

I assume this means its going to be something we have to find again similar to mushrooms, but instead of it despawning multiple people can do it at one time

[stray notch]

im just taking lore he is old asf its okay if he had this for looking

[pliant yoke]

what? i dont get it even tho i watched the video a while ago

[pliant yoke]

thatd be nice, with random spawn places

[stray notch]

orb...

hear me out guys

elder forest is for real where the moon goes down

[fading canyon]

Yup yup, normally when something affects multiple ppl at once, its probably going to be a specific area(s) that we will need to locate and probably preform some kind of action/act

[pliant yoke]

everyone go check out elder forest again, just like back then! xD

[stray notch]

wait wait wait

"we are planing something for these spots, crater and ravine are gonna be a high risk but high reward for everyone who gets there"

-echo

[pliant yoke]

when did he say smth liekt hgliekt hat

liek that

like

[stray notch]

pancakes video

u can find it in crow's pinned file, i wrote it down in there

[pliant yoke]

so its for the new eldering system right?

[fading canyon]

Pankcakes new video is talking about all the changes coming to 1.0.1, even the changes that we were not told about

[pliant yoke]

yes

[stray notch]

i dont mean this one

i mean the old pancake video with ECHO the map desinger not JAO not SUPER RHINO

[pliant yoke]

?

[fading canyon]

no i know, i was talking about the new one lol

[pliant yoke]

so this is for the current system???

[stray notch]

guys istg this place is hiding something

[pliant yoke]

wheres it

[stray notch]

hold on

[stray notch]

its like between redwood spown and swamp far to the map walls

hold on do other Devs know about eldering??? or is it ONLY JAO?

[pliant yoke]

??

[covert stag]

Been there many times as Elder ASD and as step 2 ASD. Thats in the SW of the map

[pliant yoke]

only jao as far as we know

[stray notch]

didnt they say devs dont know about it, he must've been told to do somethhing unaware its for eldering thinking its a side quest or smth

[wide canopy]

non-campable

[pliant yoke]

probably

[pliant yoke]

doesnt mean it cant be there.

[wide canopy]

It does

And it’s probably for AI.

Or pvp related/kewl map changes

[covert stag]

Theres another place the looks like a crescent moon but cant rermeber coords. Its at the end of river with mushies and 1 or 2 bio flowers

[pliant yoke]

do u mean the half moon?

[stray notch]

or even this one

[wide canopy]

Didnt jao said it could be done anytime of day.

He’s probably referencing to surviving x amount of “moons” aka days

[stray notch]

makes sense

alright kiu

fill the blanks

[covert stag]

No its not the moonitsself but landmarks that look half moonish. The place you are is one of them

[pliant yoke]

survive doesnt fit in the first

[wide canopy]

Trust me u dont want me to

[pliant yoke]

sec

[stray notch]

💀

[pliant yoke]

after one moon?

[stray notch]

thats wild

[pliant yoke]

after one moon youll find urself again? xD

[stray notch]

!!!!

grow?!

[pliant yoke]

nah

[stray notch]

uhhh idk eat smash