New Elder System

[kind wedge]

i think its a bit to much to ask from palyers...using months to get the passive ticks...
but then again idk the full mechanic and can just judge what i know rn

[tired spruce]

Ok but I don't think they specified if the step progress actually stays once you did 1st step, cuz if you have to grow to elder passively and then do 2 other steps and if you die you have to restart that's scary

[kind wedge]

^ actually drop out reason tbh
no offence
cause months of work
gone bc of one Rulebreak or one misstep
i dont think ppl are in for that

love the games changes so far but the mechanic rn is to mystery and to seem like to much of a grind

[hybrid cloud]

so my take on it is that there are 3 steps to unlock active eldering and the first step is to passivly elder, then two more steps to unlock the method to active elder

[mint tulip]

ok well then take complaint to feedbacks?

this is for figuring out how to unlock the active method

[kind wedge]

what do you think this thread is for?

its a discussion

[languid spoke]

this thread is figuring out how to elder, but actual suggestions/complaints have a place

[mint tulip]

^^^^^^^^^^

[astral fog]

Ijs.

[mint tulip]

anyways i am almost a fith of the way to eldering passively I am going to probably nest a few people even with my crap bloodline to see if that helps with people on that effort but then have someone kill me so I can try and search for eldering method as fresh asd

[spring fog]

so if you passive tick an asd to elder, does that unlocks eldering for all dragons on that server or globally?

[mint tulip]

no idea

[fading canyon]

Sorry for ping, but just out of curiosity, Will all the steps need to be completed on one dragon to unlock it for every dragon? or will we need to break up, like we passive elder, and then sacrifice andthen the next steps are comleted on next dragon

[mint tulip]

i haven't even gotten lucky to make it to adult hood with any other dragon aside from a bio which we all know doesn't elder at all

[hollow quarry]

it woulda been cool if it was a rare spawn around a player. its not campable.

[void patrol]

This just shows how much Jao really didn't want a bunch of elders on the servers and to make eldering more rare than simple and easy

[hollow quarry]

kinda disappointing the first step is to passively get elder. Now I no reason to play, lemme just log on for 2 minutes, get my ticks, and log off

a whole 5 minutes gametime per day 😂 😭

[fading canyon]

Does jao still plan on changing it if we cant figure out the last 2 steps?

[void patrol]

Depends on what server you're playing on, if it's pvp it'll really suck especially since it'll take awhile and most people will be using an asd to passively elder for the first step meaning they won't be able to use their asd unless they want to risk the chance of it being killed and lose all that progress

[astral fog]

wasnt there talk ages ago about a npc for quests for eldering? so after you passive elder, try find a npc i guess idk

[hollow quarry]

i mean i lost all motivation to play the game in general. I was hoping there would be a CHANCE at active eldering w/o having to log in every 12 hours to get a tick. With the risk of the turn glitch trying to get ticks on every dragon + Official PvP, theres too much risk in losing hours of gameplay when all you want to do is enjoy the game for what it is, or could be.

[void patrol]

That quest system I think is now either going to be a single player mode or it's going to be on the mega map when it comes out

[mint tulip]

the peeps crying about no content thinking it is all about the elder like bro

[void patrol]

Also no one wants to spend 25 consecutive days getting 2 ticks a day which is like 4% or 50 consecutive days getting 2% a day till they hit elder

[astral fog]

i mean, it could be on mega map, could also be something on the map we have rn, who knows

[void patrol]

There's not much to do on this current map

[mint tulip]

ya that is why I am not as concerned now about eldering

i will continue my ticks for now but i will play once they get more food

and more actual things to do

[astral fog]

i dont pay much attention, do we know when the megamap is meant to come out or is that a bit up in the air at the moment?

[hollow quarry]

i mean currently its eat, sleep, combat, breed, die. not really much content... lol

theres no elementals to fight, or AI outside of bugs

and only thing the bugs can really do is beat up hatchies

[tardy perch]

finally peeks into the channel and sees Jao spilled the first step I KNEW IT!!! HAHAHAAH

[mint tulip]

really rough first step for those of us on pvp atm but ya

[tardy perch]

It's just the first step though.

We still don't know wha tteh faster eldering method is yet that unlocks from all this.

[languid spoke]

It's 3 steps

[mint tulip]

i assume once you do the first step you unlock the rest of the steps for future dragons of the same species

[weak sequoia]

YOU HAVE TO GET TO ELDER FIRST?!

[mint tulip]

yep

[weak sequoia]

ON WHAT

[languid spoke]

A dragon

[weak sequoia]

every dragon?!

[mint tulip]

no idea

[languid spoke]

Lmfao nu

[weak sequoia]

no u

nerd

[languid spoke]

I am

So

[weak sequoia]

that was overly aggressive im sorry

frfr sorry

[languid spoke]

Lol it's ok

I was rolling with it

[weak sequoia]

was still rude

so

[languid spoke]

You're good

[weak sequoia]

i apologees

[languid spoke]

You are forgiven

[weak sequoia]

ANYWAY

back to being SALTY

[languid spoke]

Lol

[mint tulip]

but ya the first step kinda sucks but i can work with it whether I want to or not

[languid spoke]

[weak sequoia]

the first step doesnt just suck

[mint tulip]

don't get me wrong I am salty too

[weak sequoia]

its rediculous

[void patrol]

I wonder if after you complete all the 3 steps you will unlock a pearl that once you hit adult you will be able to then equip it and it will go onto the passive buff meaning you can start your growing process to elder

[languid spoke]

At this point, it's anyone's guess

[mint tulip]

ugh guess i will have to look and test while elder first

[weak sequoia]

Jao. i want the mushrooms back this new idea? its trash

im

[mint tulip]

NO

[weak sequoia]

id rather get myself beaten by megas then do that

[mint tulip]

bonk the mushrooms

[weak sequoia]

FINE GIVE US BOTH

JUST GIVE US SOMETHING FASTER THAN 40 DAYS

[mint tulip]

screw having people hog them

[languid spoke]

The bonus is, 2x servers it's faster

Oh and no admin grows

[void patrol]

Does the elder tick percentage also increase on 2x growth servers? So like you could get 2% per tick and it would make it 4% each tick so therefore you could get 4%-8% a day?

[mint tulip]

i believe so yes

[languid spoke]

It does

Noticed that on ours pretty fast at first

Then we turned growth off to work on upstatting. But it does double it on 2x

That gives private servers a small boost over officials

[void patrol]

Ok nice so testing will almost take like 2 weeks, testing as in trying to figure out how to unlock the eldering system since asd should take about 12.5 days till it hits elder on a 2x growth server

[languid spoke]

I'd offer mine but growth is still off lol

[mint tulip]

got a question

why do you have it off what good is there to that/

seems pointless to have growth off

[acoustic holly]

First step naturally elder a dragon. Then obviously you have to naturally elder your other dragons in order to have an elder dragon.

[mint tulip]

WAIT

[languid spoke]

DM'd you so we don't get off topic lol

[mint tulip]

what if eldering new dragons just is faster lol

the slow pain to the new fast pain

[languid spoke]

I don't think he'd make it faster for later dragons as it's still supposed to be rare

[mint tulip]

i know

am being silly

[weak sequoia]

pardon me but how is this more dragony? that is 40 days of logging in every 12 hrs. and then you have to do 2 other things?! man thats not more dragony- thats NOT active! I GET IT it needs to be RARE but this is not the move.

Mind you, guys, thats just SS ticks, IR and FS have even LESS from elder ticks

[mint tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/sips-tea-gif-10558867

[hybrid cloud]

but thats just the passive way to elder not the active way, its the first step to unlock the active way

[weak sequoia]

Furhut;

Its the step you need to take to do the two active steps

🙂

THIS IS HORRIBLE

[mint tulip]

wah

it sucks we get it

[weak sequoia]

or at least thats how i read it

[mint tulip]

focus of figuring it out

[weak sequoia]

then help me say that

[mint tulip]

take complaints to feedback

[weak sequoia]

help me get it through to him lets talk about it get the attention of the devs to make it better

you can go sit and wait for 40 days

be my guest

[mint tulip]

again take it to #1067202526878896248

[weak sequoia]

but some of us want to try to get something better

[mint tulip]

put a post where it will be read by more then just jao

1/5 of the way there

i plan to figure it out once I get full elder

do you?

[weak sequoia]

HAH what?

[mint tulip]

you kill it off yet to try and figure it out?

are you actually trying

[weak sequoia]

good for you yay for you im so glad you sat and did nothing

[mint tulip]

or you just here to be a REDACTED like redacted

OK so kill your character and figure it out 😄

[weak sequoia]

THATS an idea! maybe jao can add getting a 3 perc or such tick every hour or a 1 perc tick every minute/5minutes

and thenthe two steps

god

[mint tulip]

what everyone plays just about every dragon

[weak sequoia]

wrong not everyone has alts

[finite basin]

i dont, your point is invalid

[mint tulip]

i don't either invalid

anyone also think this one is a troll?

[compact kindle]

Hes telling you he is eldering on an account he doesnt play on... his alt. "We all have alts" him and his friends

So quick to the witch hunt this chat is damn lol

[mint tulip]

my point being why is he here if not to help figuring out the active method and claiming people don't play certain dragons

i get they have alts loser btw

[compact kindle]

Dragons he doesnt play on... his alts.

Not species no one plays on DoD

[languid spoke]

I'm more interested in "ticked our server" and getting ticks every min

[compact kindle]

Same thats why I'm here lol

[languid spoke]

Ouch, I have 6 accounts lol

[mint tulip]

seriously though @frank abyss kill one of your elders....

BRUH

why pay for multiples of this game?

[finite basin]

again, how is that a solution to people who dont have alts on pvp servers? just dont touch the entire roster for 40 days except passive tics every 12hrs?

[weak sequoia]

someone has 200 alts

[languid spoke]

So incan have many skins

[compact kindle]

Feel like you guys missed what they were trying to say lol

They were agreeing with your points

[mint tulip]

well anyways seriouslly kill off a elder figure out what the 2nd and 3rd step is

i dare ya

:3

[languid spoke]

I just want to know wth "ticking our server" is

[compact kindle]

A literal speedrun?

[languid spoke]

Are you talking growth speed? Cause they only go up to 2x and that doesn't mean more elder ticks

[mint tulip]

their server?

jesus heckin christ XD

i just choked on my soda

[compact kindle]

That is something like a dragon rave?

[languid spoke]

More like a seizure

[mint tulip]

i would not beable to play on that

[languid spoke]

What's the point then, like oh you got elder, now what

[mint tulip]

btw thanks whoever took it down before me

[languid spoke]

They still don't know the other two steps

[compact berry]

Let's keep this discussion on topic please

[tardy perch]

Wait what? I didn't think that was how servers kept track of time. You telling me you can fool a server into thinking actual time is going at lightspeed? XD

Either way, I ned more info before I do any sort of raging about the first step.

I should have my elder in a few days.

[mint tulip]

... step two after elder is crash into the ground around a bunch of hungry hatchies

[compact berry]

Please dont ping devs if they're not actively talking in the channel

[mint tulip]

bruh

[weak sequoia]

what? its a simple request, and i didnt know abt the devs

[heavy ridge]

Not pinging the devs is one if the server rules. You broke a rule, you get pinged by a mod.

[minor hinge]

So now what

[heavy ridge]

💕 now you hop on another dragon and try to figure out how active eldering works.

[uneven mason]

(if it works)

[minor hinge]

Idk how

i got my dragon to adult

[heavy ridge]

You got your ASD to full elder 🎉
That's the step that unlocks the faster eldering mechanic,
But none of us know what the active method is yet, or if it's unlocked once per server, or per species, or per account.
So, essentially go try things out on another dragon, and keep track of what you do in case you get an active elder tick ❤️

[minor hinge]

👍 i most just get elder tick then poof

[muted moat]

so we are gonna have to go back and do everything with another adult once we hit elder

?*

[tardy perch]

Don't get ahead of yourself. Jao's exact wording was the FIRST STEP is becoming an elder without admin grows at any point. Now we need to figure out if there's more steps to UNLOCK the faster method, or if just getting to elder was all that was needed.

[minor hinge]

Be cool if hit elder get to pick someone that on line to be come next elder

[languid spoke]

#1209681807746801724 message

[muted moat]

So we know step one is to passively do so

[minor hinge]

mechanic i not seen any robots LOL

[tardy perch]

Yep. Gotta get to elder via just passives without admin grows on any stage

[muted moat]

But we are going to have to go back and redo alot since we will be using another adult

[languid spoke]

It's most likely per dragon, not you do it for one and it unlocks step two for another

But i could be wrong

[muted moat]

That wouldn’t make much sense then

Cuz if we get one to elder passively and kill it we would be back at step one essentially

So it might be like unlocking the mela skin for that account

And server

[tardy perch]

As long as we 'unlock' the faster method, no, killing the elder isn't needed.

[languid spoke]

I don't think there is a faster method

[tardy perch]

But since we don't know if it's per species only per server, or if the process unlocks for all...we need to do more testing lol

[languid spoke]

He has said elders are supposed to be rare....making it faster wouldn't stick with that

[muted moat]

Why I said we gotta go back and try everything with the adult

Those poor crystals will be double traumatized

[languid spoke]

Not the crystals 😂

[muted moat]

And the poor bugs 😂😂

[tardy perch]

Nothing is safe again lol

[languid spoke]

All the starving hatchies cause bugs got sacrificed

[muted moat]

Worth it

[languid spoke]

So, if the theory is passive one (step one) unlocks step two for another dragon.
ASD first step
SS second step? Cause growth speed

[muted moat]

I think it’s whatever one you passively do first

[languid spoke]

I meant for testing

[tardy perch]

We aren't sure yet.

[languid spoke]

Who really wants to passove grow and elder an fs or ir to test lol. ASD much faster

[tardy perch]

Once I get to elder, I'm gonna look through the other hints he gave. See which ones DON'T fit the passive elder bill. Maybe we can pick something out that way

[languid spoke]

Good idea

[muted moat]

Beautiful idea

[muted moat]

I would rather slap the world border 😂

[tardy perch]

Gosh I really hope I read his post right...now I'm worried that there's actually 3 methods to elder and not 2

[muted moat]

There is 3

[tardy perch]

Like there isn't any 'fast method' there's just 3 ways yo ucan get to elder

[languid spoke]

It's steps for sure

Not methods

[muted moat]

^

Just the first step is getting the passive and unlocking eldering

Now we gotta figure out the other two for the rest of our dragons

[tardy perch]

It's his wording is all. 'There are three steps to actively Elder'

[languid spoke]

#1209681807746801724 message

[tardy perch]

Like what does he mean by 'actively elder'. Does he mean a method you can do that you can grind actively and not passively?Or something else lol

[languid spoke]

It means the entire process is one

[muted moat]

We are gonna have to figure that out

[languid spoke]

One process, three steps

We got this

[muted moat]

But I can see him giving an active one for pvp players once it’s unlocked on our accounts

Elders make all the difference in fights

[languid spoke]

I can't speak on that, my guess is unless we figure it out some or all of it will change

[tardy perch]

It is interesting for sure. Because step one gets you an elder. So it's like...what benefit do we get if we figure out and do all 3 steps. It's got to be something worthwhile, and all I can think of is a grindable way to speed up eldering (since grinding will always be faster usually than passive ways)

[languid spoke]

I imagine the other steps are faster, but probs not enough to make people who only want elder giddy

[tardy perch]

Maybe. He did say the first step is always the hardest

[languid spoke]

Also, if your step one dragon dies....does that relock steps two and three?

[tardy perch]

I'll be brainstorming this for sure tonight lol

[languid spoke]

Like at what point do you have to "start over"

[tardy perch]

that is what I'm not sure of.

[languid spoke]

Cause survival game

[tardy perch]

My GUESS...and this is a hard guess atm because I still haven't reviewed all the hints yet...is that you have to do the last two steps WITH the elder

[muted moat]

I def can as a pvp player, a huge benefit in fights is having an elder as they hit harder and can get the job done faster

[tardy perch]

So now I'm relaly glad he spoke up before I grew mine just to kill it for science XD

[muted moat]

I can’t rlly see that since mela doesn’t revoke

[stray notch]

guys i have a theory

so jao said passive eldering is first step to eldering

[languid spoke]

Yea but that's a one step

[stray notch]

what if we bring 2 passive grtown elders and make them nest

the BABY would be able to active elder

its gonna be special baby

[languid spoke]

He said it didn't involve nesting tho didn't he

[muted moat]

But it doesn’t involve nesting

[tardy perch]

Hmmmm I don't think that's it, because one of the hints is it's soloable

[stray notch]

oh, maybe death is the key then

[languid spoke]

How would that work since that one is elder? You just mean to unlock the process for the rest of the account?

[stray notch]

but what if first step is the soloable he meant

also he wanted it to be social

[tardy perch]

I mean, the elder you get from step one MIGHT be needed for step 2 and 3

[stray notch]

nesting is different

[muted moat]

Like how you unlock mela in a way

[languid spoke]

Step one could be soloable yes

[rapid belfry]

Did he confirm its not unaliving it?

[languid spoke]

No

[rapid belfry]

Oop

[tardy perch]

True. I need to read the hints again like I said. Some maybe were just to get us to step 1. But some might be for the other steps

[languid spoke]

Not that i saw anyway

Hmmmm

Step one: passive elder (solo)

[tardy perch]

I'll research this when I'm not hazy in the brain.

[languid spoke]

Step two might be social? Since now you can see your recessives

Yea I'm about to lay down to sleep haha

Step two: nest and raise hatchling to adult?
I'm guessing obvs

[mental pier]

step three: unlock an elder pearl after nest???

[muted moat]

That would be cool

[languid spoke]

I think they might be "active" steps after?

Maybe, solo, social......something

Solo = survive

Survival, social....

I don't want to say fight cause of PvE, but I'm drawing a blank so

[tardy perch]

We can't rule that out entirely since even PVE servers let you PVP if you toggle it

[muted moat]

you can turn pvp on in pve right?

[mental pier]

yeah

[tardy perch]

Yep

[languid spoke]

It's a possibility yea

[void patrol]

What’s y’all’s server name?

[languid spoke]

It's a start at least

[muted moat]

its def a start

[languid spoke]

I'll hopefully have a sharper mind tomorrow after sleep, and after work. I'll check back in then

[compact reef]

Dang 20 more days it is then

Hopefully you only gotta grow 1 to elder

[lime viper]

Maybe some of the PvE people

[rapid radish]

Jao said, that step one unlocks the active method. He didn't tell if it's like mela unlock (really, really hope so) or per species. So @minor hinge has now unlocked the active method; it would be really great if you would play the game with your other dragons and see if anything has changed or you can do something different now. ^^

[simple ore]

I think keeping it this way is great. We don´t know the active method yet, but making it time consuming and dragon-preserving strengthens the role of the breeders in the game, who tend to get a a bit abused by the fighters in big clans. So unless they do a bit of what breeders do, fighters can´t just elder everything in no time camping or taking advantage of numbers.

[pliant yoke]

Itd be better to become elder from growing another 2-3h after becoming adult

Thatd be the best way, keep it simple.

[covert stag]

Ok i think i have done something but no clue what to Increase growth on mt FS. I started growing my IR the following day and both have been gettin passive tick at the same time. If 1 missed a tick both did. But my FS is a fair bit ahead of what i think it should be.

[rapid radish]

Are these both on the same growth speed server? And have you grown a dragon to elder already?

[covert stag]

Yes all dragons i have Eldering are on same Official UK server

[fading canyon]

is it possible that fs has a slightly higher tick amount? that this amount of ticks would show a difference?

[fading canyon]

Have you eldered a dragon already? or are you working on them currently

[rapid radish]

it is possible, I haven't gotten enough data to deny or confirm on this

[covert stag]

All i have done that iu can think of is log in go straight to sleep until tick then spawn in next dragon for tic. Go for food when hunger icon appear4s every few days.

[covert stag]

No Elders yet but ASD should be by weekend

[fading canyon]

Hmmm, then Fs must just have a slightly higher tick amount then ir does

[rapid radish]

have you by any chance taken note of the ticks?

[fading canyon]

Iso my ir and fs are both kind of fresh on eldering ill make sure to write mine down if they havent

[rapid radish]

I think so too, I guess this will be a long road to gain data xD

[fading canyon]

XD

[covert stag]

Sorry no i havent. Morning tic is a struggle to get before work sometimes so i do miss one here and there.

[rapid radish]

No worries, just asking from anyone really, to gain more data 😄

[covert stag]

Really wish id had thought to take note. But thought it would have all been sussed by now lol

[rapid radish]

Well I thought I had the passive ticks figured out, but apparently not 😅

[covert stag]

So is that what we reckon at this time, FS is just gets a little more % lik 0.92? Would make sense in my case.

[rapid radish]

Something like that, but unless I get more data, cannot confirm/deny ^^ Can you record your ticks from now on for me? ^^

No need to screenshot, you can just DM them for me ^^

[covert stag]

Willd my best 👍

[covert stag]

Used screen shots so people dont think im BS'ing lol

[rapid radish]

Yeah, always good to provide screenshots here, but I do believe you without them too :p

[deft patrol]

So after completing the first step, the question is now if it’s unlocked for all dragons on the server or only for the species, as well as finding the method xD

Unless I have overlooked the statement which provided the info for it

[wheat vigil]

@jagged stone I don't understand why you are doing everything against the players.
Why is it necessary to limit the growth to elder to dragons that were raised by admins? At this rate, it was not worth allowing people to keep private servers if they do not have freedom of action, people play on private servers because they do not always have time to play on official ones, they ask the admin for growth, and then they collect the elder ticks, and now it turns out that they will not be able to grow to the elder. Am I getting this right?

[pliant yoke]

let him sleep, also we shouldnt normalize ppl pinging rhino

[wheat vigil]

Well, I just hope that he will read it when he wakes up, because different time zones will never allow us to communicate normally.

[trail wagon]

Do not ping developers if they are not present and active in chat.

[rapid radish]

This is feedback and should go to the feedback channel ^^

[faint tendon]

I believe what he's saying is that passively eldering a dragon that's been command-grown to juvi/adult won't work in terms of completing the "the first step" required for unlocking the active elder method.

[wheat vigil]

It's just utter nonsense when they limit the growth to an elder, after the player has been raised by the administrator.
why do they need to do this? unclear.
Now we will have to give people elder's height through files more often ...
It seems that the developers tried to prohibit changing player files, but it turns out that this will only happen more often now.

[balmy moss]

Hmm good point. Make a post in the feedback thread. Why you don't like it and a solution to fix it. Do know that it's a work in progress, and rhino is keeping an eye on it.

Anyways back on topic, anyone any closer to figuring out the process after the unlock?

[wheat vigil]

Can you give a link to the feedback? I am writing through a translator, and I do not know how well or delusionally you see my words

[rapid radish]

https://discord.com/channels/576933363672285186/1216491835866742976

[minor hinge]

If it like mela unlock. I try whit FS

i do have Mela unlock and elder now so i try that

[naive otter]

honestly i def hope the next step is easier 🙃

[slender arrow]

Facts lol 😂

[naive otter]

otherwise i've completely given up atm due to the server i play on. all my dergs are pointless cuz juvie growths... (aka would have to renest all and best i've gotten is a 0E IR)

plus am some of possibly many who cant play 24/7

[slender arrow]

If you don’t have a elder then this is probably just a coincidence since the first step is to elder

[minor hinge]

Male eyes are green on Mela right?

if that made it like Mela there no way to get elder in 1 go

[hollow quarry]

This elder thing just punishes players who enjoy to play the game and the servers are DEAD.

They play, grow, and fight. But they dont get stronger because those who are eldering just log on in the corner of the map for 10 minutes and get off.

Little to no risk.

[compact reef]

"so that you can seek that which you wish to become”

[hollow quarry]

End of the day, its very dissapointing. No point to play this game except once a day to get elder ticks.

[slender arrow]

I agree I mean I was down with the passive ticks only because it makes elder rare so you won’t see 100 elders on the server but he needs to come up with a better system the reach it one that isn’t easy tho make it rare still

[hollow quarry]

Its easy af the server will be dead until people hit full elder and then they'll play and punish the people who play for hours on end.

[compact berry]

I'm sure eldering will be improved when more is added to the game that would help put things in place for a better system

[uneven mason]

I sure hope so

Im in agreement that admin grows shouldnt limit,, any quest progression, frankly. There’s a reason i dont play on official servers, every mechanic in this game is built on tedium except, of course, the only sort of action you get out of it; fighting other players.

Let private servers run the way they want to run

[slender arrow]

That’s another thing. There isn’t much he can do to switch the system around because AI isn’t even in the game ( NPC) , you could do it by killing pooki or somthing that isn’t in the game you could do it with perles like you can fine perles that give you elder prog ..there are ways to do it different by none of that stuff is in so it’s a waiting game ….but some people wanna go back to the mushroom 🍄 method but again thats wack because you end up with 40 elders per clan and it makes getting to elder not fun …

[fast geyser]

So basicaly we want rare elder that require active playing to unlock not passive ticking like rn

[slender arrow]

At lesser for PvP

[slender arrow]

You hit the nail on the head lol 😂

[steady rock]

As a mainly pve player, I assure you we want active eldering as well, contrary to some people's belief, I don't play pve to afk, I play IT to engage with the world and fight bosses, but currently there's noting keeping me playing, not even nesting or passive ticks...why should I bother to get them when there's nothing I can do after hitting IT?

[minor hinge]

That alot players when back to old ways besuse thay dont kown how to elder

i dont blam them

That alot or wait on wings of dawn

[harsh sky]

so.... i am punished for going crazy to the wall pvp? :

[dreamy acorn]

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So
The only way to elder is by passive eldering?

[proper patio]

It's just the first step of the process for unlocking the active method

If you never unlock the active way then yes, it's the only way I suppose lol

[languid spoke]

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just so anyone coming in fresh can see

so step one is to passive elder

[stuck minnow]

Does passive eldering on one unlock for all?

[uneven mason]

Dunno yet

[dusk ravine]

Yep, breeders keep upstatting for the next two months while everyone else unlocks elder system. Than you might be able to start after you finish your breeding project, and you have to get ticks while people already have elders. I love the new system.

[languid spoke]

the other two steps may be faster, easier, who knows, the hardest part is step one

[uneven mason]

Its a pretty big ‘maybe’

[pliant yoke]

Btw where did we find out the old method to elder? (The shrooms) Do we still have the chat?

[rapid radish]

you unlock the active eldering by passively eldering. We don't know if it's like mela unlock aka per server or per species 🙂

[hallow mountain]

I think they made it so people can't hit adult and speedrun elder, like they did with mushrooms on legacy

[mental pier]

i have a theory about the 2nd and 3rd steps, may be wrong but worth putting it out there. This is based of what others have also said aswell.

step 1 - passive elder (soloable)
step 2 - make nest with someone outside a cave (social) in a cave (dragony)
step 3 - equip passive buff elder pearl, sleep in cave (dragony) for a certain amount per day (in game or irl day, not sure) to boost elder growth OR hoard bugs in a cave/eat (dragony) OR equip some type of pearl that unlocks something your account (once unlocked active eldering) can see around the map to active elder.

im aware step 3 is most probably a long shot but think, pearls have been added, theres no passive buff pearls yet so maybe your given a pearl to use to elder. the reason im suggesting the caves is because in most dragon fiction, dragons like to sleep/hoard things in caves. soooo, thats my thinking 🙂

[void patrol]

Well Jao said it’s not campable so that right there would be campable

[hallow mountain]

It would make sense that bios don't have an elder stage because of this, they take 45 minutes to hit adult, so people would speedrun elder just like we do with mela

[dreamy acorn]

I already mentioned the idea that you could equipt a pearl in passive buff but I think they already debunked that theory 😭
I think it's in the doc

[void patrol]

Jao said that each step is an actual mechanic

[dreamy acorn]

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[mental pier]

not campable if you can only sleep for so long and after it wouldnt do anything until next day or something

[mental pier]

oh did you? dang i didnt see that. my appologise

[dreamy acorn]

Nah you're alg BC it IS a reasonable idea and I was really sure that was how you elder

Great minds think alike LOL

[void patrol]

Who’s going to sleep in a specific spot on a pvp server where everyone else would be heading to sleep? All that is going to be is constant death

[balmy moss]

no not at all

[harsh sky]

but we are, because if we die we lose the elder prog on said dragon and have to start from square one again

Could be skill issue but like, active players are punished for playing?

[somber shuttle]

Yeah I’m not one to want to complain, but this elder system is going to hurt their own player base… nobody’s going to be actively playing.

[heavy ridge]

Question for the chat, do you all play as all of the different dragon types, or just a few favorites?

Because I play just a few of the dragons with regular consistency, and don't have that much of a problem with leaving one dragon in the corner to passive elder with while I play with the other types, pvp, upstating, what have you.

Assuming it's simular to mela in that you unlock it once per server, eldering's going to take a while sure, but it's not "being punished for playing" if you have a species you're not fond of.

[finite basin]

I only touch bio, asd, ss. My fs and ir i leave open for breeding, such is the life of no alt accounts

My issue is i can really only get on once a day and not the 12hr tick so it will take me 88 days to elder if ticked every day (thats using ss timer so it would be longer for fs and ir)

This doesnt help that i play on pvp so i can lose all prog at any time

[dawn pelican]

just elder on asd, its the fastest

and you only need to do 1 to unlock the first step of eldering

i bet its gonna be like mela, you unlock it once on a server and its availble to all dragons

[finite basin]

Asd is for pvp and we dont know the other steps so we dont know if it involves killing your elder yet

[dawn pelican]

nah, i dont believe that

[heavy ridge]

Oh, I totally agree, the time gating feels harsh. I'm not usually one to log in daily by any means. I've been dreaming of unleashing an elemental on a pvp server for years now, and this puts it rather significantly out of reach.

[red musk]

could be you have to passive elder per dragon aswell

[dawn pelican]

i dont think jao is that evil

like someone said earlier, thats probably why bio also cant elder, cause peoiple would speed run it

[red musk]

not sure evil is the right word for it, but it would make sense if your goal is to have fewer elders

[finite basin]

I mean we all thought the first step was something active but no its passive eldering for 88+ days sooooo

[dawn pelican]

you still gotta remember, this is just the first step. we dont know what the other steps are yet so they might still be very grindy so i dont think you have to do it for all dragons

[red musk]

imagine having 18A is the next step 😂

[dawn pelican]

gotta be soloable

stats and soloable

[finite basin]

He said solo able and not nesting

[red musk]

when he said the soloable thing, did he mean the first step or the whole process?

[dawn pelican]

whole process probably

[finite basin]

Has to be the whole process otherwise elder cant be achived by solos

[red musk]

probably

[finite basin]

Hopefully

[dawn pelican]

yeah but it wouldnt make sense to only make the first steps soloable

[red musk]

i hope so aswell, but its dangerous to fully rule it out

[dawn pelican]

you either do the whole thing or not at all

[finite basin]

He did say he wanted it to be more social and dragony but my issue with the first step is that time requirement is horrible for anyone with a job

[slender arrow]

I think you have to do something on your elder to activate the eldering because I don’t see the point of having a 2nd and 3rd step on your dragon that’s already elder

[dawn pelican]

the social part wasnt meant for eldering but the whole game in general

[red musk]

i hate the first step aswell, but it does what he want fairly well

[slender arrow]

Yeah less elders that’s why I was saying it’s not the best idea and it’s sucks but it accomplishes the goal of making elder rare

[red musk]

i hope it wont be required because that means on pvp sometimes you have to elder multiple times passively to even be allowed to unlock the next step

[dawn pelican]

my theory is, thats its the exact same thing as with mela unlocking. You do the thing and it unlocks it forever on the server for all your dragons. So if you wanna yeet that elder that you got through passives now you can elder activley

[heavy ridge]

Time requirement is a bit horrible for a game that only has earlygame and endgame in, login ticks tend to kill any enjoyment I get out of a game. Loging in feels like a chore and something I'd rather avoid.
Jao said he might tweak it, and I hope he does.

MISTYPE OH MY GOD

[finite basin]

I understand wanting to constrict the amount of elders to make them game changers when brought out but think of any new player that joins and hears that if they want to experience elder or elemental they have to spend 88 days without dying just ticking

[slender arrow]

Only way to know is to yeet your elder lol 😂 which is the hard part at least for PvP guys

[dawn pelican]

SPELLING XDD

[rapid radish]

*does 😅

[red musk]

this is my winning theory aswell, i just dont want to rule out this not being the case

[dawn pelican]

LMAO

[rapid radish]

If mods saw that, it was a typo, I swear! 😄

I can vouch for Gremlin xD

[dawn pelican]

XDDD

[heavy ridge]

why is the o key right next to the i

[red musk]

to get your bloodpump going a bit harder for 0.5sec

[slender arrow]

I think on till he adds more content it’s the only way to make it fair ..once npc pearls come out maybe keep the passive elder but also give us another way to elder as well

[heavy ridge]

|| I just got back from being bapped for 3 days, my heart can't take this ||

[dawn pelican]

bapped?

[rapid radish]

https://tenor.com/view/30rock-alec-baldwin-there-there-cheer-up-comfort-gif-4215371

[finite basin]

Thats the thing as well i agree there just nothing to do atm beside eldering and if you dont have alts on a pvp server you cant bring that drag out unless its to tick

[slender arrow]

I just don’t see another way we’re he could change eldering with out making it campable on the current status of the game .. he would have to bring mushrooms back but that would make it to were elders are not rare so until more content gets added it’s waiting game

If step one is the hardest part but it’s the simplest part then step 2 and 3 shouldn’t be that hard to figure out

[finite basin]

Idk there could be an objective system implemented like other games that give .5% or some variable % based off the objective and make quest timers every 1hr, 2hr or so, so that way people cant spam quest but it gives an active way to actually progress than just existing for 5 min every day for literal months

[heavy ridge]

If he dialed it back to, say 15-20 days of logins I'd be okay with that. Im a working adult and I just don't have the stamina to login to a game 1-2× daily for a month+ without resenting the game.

[dawn pelican]

fr

[heavy ridge]

You'll have more progress than everyone else, so not nothing.

[dawn pelican]

what if it gets set back tho

[somber abyss]

No…..

[finite basin]

Its just over 2 months of actively doing that is so boring it gives no incentive cause then the "gear fear" (using this term from other games) of actually bringing out an elder for pvp and it potentially dying and losing all that time

[heavy ridge]

There's no way in heck they'd do a dragon wipe, they didn't even do that for the a++ plague

[dawn pelican]

also... this is not dragonlike at all...

[finite basin]

Other games that make you lose progress upon dying can be regained in an hour maybe a couple tops, this game threatens months of prog you have to redo

[heavy ridge]

I imagine getting a second dragon would be much faster, having unlocked the active method, but i do understand that

[heavy ridge]

^survival games in general, but exactly why I don't play ark

[finite basin]

Again to me its a massive deterent for new players when they find that out on top of other games they play why would playing for 5 min for months to unlock active seem appetizing

[slender arrow]

That’s the pros and cons of a survival game killling someone who has elder that took them for ever to obtain its Joy …the con of it is you could lose your months of progress

It boils down to skill at the point which is what PvP is meet for the best player wins but I agree tho the passive ticks makes it boring you log in for 3 mins and log so they need to change the system to were it’s grindty but enjoyable

[finite basin]

Ive played other games that make you lose a decent amount of time as punishment for dying even taking 6 extra hrs to get back to where i was because the objective seems obtainable but losing months is on the far opposite side of that spectrum, its not a skill issue its a massive time constraint that most people who have fulltime jobs cant achieve ket alone keep interest after months of doing so

[balmy moss]

But what about bio?

[rapid radish]

Wat about it+

*?

[heavy ridge]

Anything class 2 and under can't elder, and Jao directly confirmed it couldn't be used in the unlocking of the first step.

[rapid radish]

bio cannot elder x)

where's the gif xD

[balmy moss]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-segura-oh-sorry-oh-sorry-sarcastic-sorry-gif-5963940968665602439

[heavy ridge]

🗞️

[rapid radish]

There it isss!! 😄

[heavy ridge]

🗞️ 🗞️ 🗞️

[red musk]

well, jeo only said the bio cant complete the first step, there is a chance it can do the 2nd step

like, why would he specify that the bio cant do the first step?

[rapid radish]

The 2nd step 💜 ;D

[heavy ridge]

Thank you for our princess, a staple in these trying times, and a balm to all my woes

[slender arrow]

Nah I agree with you making it were you to farm for months is a bit overkill …. So your right on that one people have life’s and stuff and they also wanna join the game …my whole thing is he needs to fine way to make eldering fair and fun but also rare not like it was before on legacy it was so easy to elder people elder F (status ) dragons out of boredom that how simple it was and that ain’t fun fighting on a 20 v 20 with every one elder is just like bruh come on so he needs to fine balance ..I just think in the current state of the game there nothing much he can move around to make it fair and fun so it’s waiting game

[red musk]

my favourite elder Xd
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[slender arrow]

The famous F elder

[red musk]

it actually has 2 kills to its name

[slender arrow]

That’s the Alabama elder

[heavy ridge]

It's kinda a fine line between keeping the turn around time for the elementals low, and wanting an elder to face the terror-class AIs, and, PvP of course.
With the current time gate, most of the casuals will never see the other side of the faction play, and I think that's a shame.

[uneven mason]

What i dont understand about the ‘keeping it rare’ thing is by the time you unlock active eldering,,, you already have an elder. Like its not gonna be rare if people have to already have an elder, it just means its only a matter of time before everyone has one again

[slender arrow]

Fair point

[heavy ridge]

But consider, are you really going to elder an alt? Multiple alts? When you can have normal adult fodder and call it a day.

[rapid radish]

If I understood correctly, you cannot get the a+/++/+++ stats without an elder. 🤔

So I kinda see the point of unlocking the faster eldering now, early, so you can upstat easier

[slender arrow]

I think it makes it rare in the sense that if you have alts it would take you 2 weeks to elder 8 alts if your efficient each alt has 4 dragons that’s 32 dragons to elder in 2weeks

[somber abyss]

There’s +++?

[rapid radish]

no one, that's the point doing it once, to unlock the active way

[rapid radish]

apparently so

[finite basin]

This can be solved by having hard challenges in play when completed you can ascend to elemental but having actual objectives to do or do x amount of objectives could be it, its time consuming and could be like 200, 300 challenges, killing bosses etc, its time consuming and difficult but would be vetter than whats currently in game

[red musk]

pretty sure it was a misstype by jeo, but he did say a third + at some point

[heavy ridge]

Most (if not all) of the casuals arent going to elder. And that means you don't need an elder to be competent in PvP, thus there will be less pressure to get elders, at least on paper.
Say, 60% of your clan doesn't elder? That's less elders in a fight, and then they're "rarer"

[slender arrow]

Yeah 👍

[somber abyss]

You’re also only thinking in the context of PvP in officials lmfao.

[finite basin]

This is understandable but again as a dev you should want people to play your game to get to endgame and experience the things tied to it like eldering and elementals not gatekeep it through time restrictions

[slender arrow]

I think pver should keep the mushroom meth to be honest

[somber abyss]

^ Time restrictions really turns people off traditionally. One of the most hated elements in MMO is gate keeping through extended lengths of time

[somber abyss]

Hmmmmmm…..

[slender arrow]

Cuz waiting 60 days to elder in FS on pve is just torture

[finite basin]

Too campable and not to mention mega clans, solos could never do it

[slender arrow]

Pve

Not PvP

Have to separate systems

[heavy ridge]

I'm not saying I agree, im saying I understand the logic.
I want people to experience the lategame, the endgame, the faction play.
Tieing all of it to elders, and then making the elders time gated to this degree? ouch

[somber abyss]

No. Make a better solution that encompasses the given game modes presented.

[finite basin]

My b i mis read but still people would camp the spots all day

[slender arrow]

It’s one of the reason I hate ark somtimes they made changes to the game for PvP which effect the Pve people which it shouldn’t

[somber abyss]

Or, I don’t know. Allow elder growing on custom servers through admin command?

What if someone’s dragon becomes unrecoverable due to a bug and you’re very close? They’re just screwed I guess.

It’s not a good solution, despite the logic making sense.

[heavy ridge]

Jao said the active method is cool, how many of us are going to have the stamina to see it?

[somber abyss]

not me. I work too much irl to spend time for that.

[slender arrow]

I’m agree with you on this one I don’t think it’s fair to restrict or private owners wanna do with there servers they pay for

[tame crest]

This is exactly what happened when mushroom-eating was the active elder method.

[fading canyon]

What ever happened to the few ppl that had passive eldered asds already?

[uneven mason]

I doubt he meant it’s literally cool

[heavy ridge]

They're still around, by the silence i imagine thay havnt found anything yet

[rapid radish]

I know Marsin is testing things on their FS to see, if they can figure out the next step 🙂

[heavy ridge]

A few of them were in here last night

[slender arrow]

Dang is that what happened in the pve world in legacy ? lol why am not surprised the internet will do anything to troll lol 😂

[slender arrow]

Someone has an elder fs already ? That’s impossible

[finite basin]

Possible on 2x server

[rapid radish]

No, they have unlocked active eldering with asd and now are seeing if anything changed on their fs

[slender arrow]

Ahhh I see

[finite basin]

From what i remember its not in rn, people have passive eldered and the bar stops

[fading canyon]

I doubt it would since doing that in the future would unlock elementals

[slender arrow]

I take it they havnt found anything. So far

[summer arch]

good point

[rapid radish]

At least I haven't heard anything from them, unfortunately

[slender arrow]

Is this person on official servers

[rapid radish]

Yes, it's Marsin 🙂

[slender arrow]

Bet

[heavy ridge]

Jao was iffy on weither or not he would allow us to grow to ancient, mostly he wanted Life Expectancy to mean something, as well as provide an Elder Sink

[finite basin]

I mean theres no point in doing so rn, theres nothing tied to the mechanic let alone if eldering is a time restraint of minimum 88 days then we could only imagine the restriction of ancients and how much more rare they are supposed to be

[uneven mason]

The power jump on elder is pretty high already, id prefer it if he didnt

[slender arrow]

That’s a fact

[rapid radish]

Yeah, only mechanic it's tied to is the active method, also where did you get 88 days? 🤔

[heavy ridge]

Ancients can die of old age, if they get added in, your dragon would be on a timer before it expired

[red musk]

you could switch it around, whenever you move towards ancient you get weaker and at the end die

[uneven mason]

Yeah but until then you want a nigh-unstoppable monstrosity running around? Much less multiple

[finite basin]

You got the common dargon cold, you perish cause you didnt find dargon meds

[slender arrow]

If that’s the case what would be the point of getting to ancient if your on a timer

[red musk]

you become big 😂

[slender arrow]

Yeah I wanna stay big not die lol 😂 and if I die I want it to be in fight were someone better kills me

[heavy ridge]

That clan on the next hill over has been causing you enough trouble that you're willing to burn an elder over it?
Become ancient.

[uneven mason]

Yeah that seems like. A problem.

[slender arrow]

Cool and the clan your attack also has a pocket ancient waiting for you

[finite basin]

You know thinking about it imagine eldering ice drag, sea serpent, and i forgor the name the the big dude that has horns no wings but since they are higher tiers the elder timer on them is going to be horrible

[heavy ridge]

Reasons why Jao was iffy on if he would add it or not

[uneven mason]

Heyyyy Jao if youre listening,,,,, do not!!!!!!!

[slender arrow]

I say he could added them when behemoth comes out

[uneven mason]

Elementals are good enough

[somber abyss]

I don’t see how being ancient changes that.

Also please don’t do old age….and if yes please make it a server setting that can be turned off….

[slender arrow]

They can’t leave there area tho at least what I was told

[heavy ridge]

The behemoth drakes don't have passive ticks, they elder over gametime played.
The ice dragon is the same DC as the FS, and the sea serpent is the same DC as the BW and Hybrid, those three are going to be a pain, and I have high hopes that active eldering is once per server.

[uneven mason]

We have elementals, Hydras, the Hybrid, hell even the behemoths with their difficult-to-keep-alive status, I dont understand why basic dragon endgame has to be so ,,,,, gatekept, almost

[finite basin]

I feel like it could be a thing where if you could ancient maybe have it be a confirmation that you want to ascend knowing you will die no matter what after a timer

[somber abyss]

No. That’s not a good solution

Allow players, especially in custom servers, to determine whether such a setting should be on or off

Officials, who cares. They’re officials.

In custom servers? They’re pricey AF. Let the server owners choose how they want their server ran.

[finite basin]

I mean you know what your accepting and you know what will happen to hit the hight of power for that dargon, it wouldnt be forced, you would have to confirm to even start the process and maybe to a sleeping period or smth to actually grow into ancient

[finite basin]

I never said priv servers cant do what they want, i only play officials so thats all i talk about when i mention this

Im talking about the system itself and how its used

[uneven mason]

I really dont think ancients should be a thing, elders are already difficult to kill but its possible

[heavy ridge]

Thinking about it, we have the terror class AIs [you'll want an elder], the Elementals [elder is required], the Hydra [requires 3 elementals online], all that? Makes Eldering look slightly more like midgame. Once that's in? If not earlier, I think Jao will reduce the time requirement.

[finite basin]

I think 20 days is very achievable and even though its semi long its more appetizing than 88

gets knocked down cause blitz

[heavy ridge]

Sorry, yeah, thought it would prolong the discussion XD

[finite basin]

Oh-

[heavy ridge]

and now we cause confusion by responding to things that aren't there

[balmy moss]

You're the one talking to a wall.

[uneven mason]

Anyway

[balmy moss]

Elder

[uneven mason]

I’d love to know whats in Jao’s head about this because i just. Do not understand the reasoning

[native yacht]

for?

what did I miss?

Gremlin, catch me up

[heavy ridge]

We're talking about the time requirement

[native yacht]

aw how could i have been so blind, the last hint practically gave it away "become what you seek"

[finite basin]

I still think adding in a quest system that refreshes every 1, 2hrs that would give variable or even rng % would be so much better for state of game

[uneven mason]

For the whole thing about wanting elders to be rare but also endgame and also required for elementals

It just sounds like he cant have them on servers because its a balancing mess

Quest system will hopefully come out sooner than later

[native yacht]

im gonna assume its server base

[finite basin]

Big issue is the pushbacks and we are no longer getting deadlines so no transparency

Edit: this is for the questing system there are other updates that need to take priority like food and blitz

[uneven mason]

Jao needs to think about this stuff like. Yknow. Before he puts out a new system for anything

[fading canyon]

Giving the benifit of the doubt, its possible that eldering was more of a last min thing, and this was the best thing to fit everything he wanted in a short time frame, and figured if ppl didnt like it he could always tweak it later on

[finite basin]

So a wet bandaid fix

[fading canyon]

Its better than nothing though no?

[uneven mason]

Definitely better, but not good

At the very least you cant camp it

[somber abyss]

Yep.

Problem is, whatever is usually enforced into officials usually ends up in private servers too. Which I’m not exactly a fan of.

[fading canyon]

If its out of our control whats the point in worrying about it, complaining wont do much lol ^-^ better to focus on what we can do in game currently to elder after eldering

[heavy ridge]

You're not going to know the price someone is willing to pay without putting out a test group and seeing the response.

Requiring 25%, 50% elder before unlocking the active method, in a completed game with pearls and a megamap (I'm aware why we don't have that, ty) and the mid-bosses, and the heard AI, and the full roster of dragons. Perfectly fine. 100%, a bit steep but might be reasonable.
This early into development? That's not functional.

[finite basin]

I mean either way we are sitting in game with nothing so i guess a passive is still just us sitting so its something

[fading canyon]

This^^^ it was actually probably much smarter that he implimented the current system that he did and seeing the responses. Because this system is probably a lot easier to tweak, ie by lowering time between ticks, needing to do something in between ticks to get more % etc

[finite basin]

I agree, people pay for it they should get full customization of the server but alas here we are

[fading canyon]

To give us something, let us complain and give feedback and tweak it based on that, instead of only giving passive ticks and saying screw it

[finite basin]

I also question why food wasnt included in at least this last patch, i myself know some coding and its not that difficult unless its spaghetti code

[fading canyon]

Polishing the models among other things

[finite basin]

Same bug models is basically copy paste

Its a temp fix not new kinds of bugs

[fading canyon]

And probably didnt account for the amount of ppl so wasnt in a rush to full fix them

Why are we talking about bugs tho this is about eldering chat lol

[finite basin]

Didnt they want like a 200 player limit or like 150 or smth?

Valid

[heavy ridge]

Exactly. Feedback is important, and he does pay attention. He's one man, so response time is slow and he generally wants to see if something will work before providing an announcement, but he does pay attention.

As for the testers, that's 98% KS and PT members, and I love them, but they're not casual pick-uppers of this game.
Ickle bit of bias there. It's important enought that he'd need to test it against the whole of the community.

[heavy ridge]

Probably because it's map business and Echo was already working to push out a map update for 1.0.1, setting up another map file while they've got that one torn open with the guts exposed... probably wasn't a good idea

[finite basin]

It has nothing to do with map files ai's are its own entities which you can copy paste their code and change coordinates for their spawns

[fading canyon]

Agreed, which is why i like the fact that he worked on actualy implimenting the eldering in the first place, and focusing on things that were issues in the past, Like camping.

and is now looking at proabably reading these msgs to tweak and take note of complaints (Actual feedback complaints, not blatantly rude comments) to work on making eldering a bit better for those of us who are more casual and not everyday grinders

Also for the crawlers, they were working on whole new animations and such, and were probably not at the front of what needed to be done, hence why we only have meatballs rn

[finite basin]

This is fair, but again a temp fix is using same ai code fixed to different coords to suffice while they continue to take their time with new anims, this process could take maybe an hour, hour and a half if you just put bugs at all water sources

[heavy ridge]

Jao's a first time dev, neither of us are going to be able to guess what the inside of the game looks like. I was assuming Echo or Jao would be setting up markers rather than have a list of cords in the ai files (esp. because custom/alt maps)

Pretty sure they're re-working the Crawler nests too.

[muted moat]

Pookie would be camped for days on pvp

And abused so poor pookie

[proper patio]

I've mained ASD and ss only because of the time commitment of anything else. Never even had an elder fs pre 1.0. I am discouraged to play them because they are tiresome to feed (esp rn) and can be a time commitment I don't always have the energy for. I am super hoping the first step for elder works like mela.

[tardy perch]

More people need to get an elder for us ot really discover anything more. I hit 75% today on my aSD. Shouldn't be long now, I should get it before the next patch. It'll give me some time to do some testing.

Unfortunately looking through the hints Jao gave, near all of them seemed to be hints to only the FIRST step. So we still have to figur eout what step 2 and 3 are. I think only one hint might help, and that's this one.

"So guys you have to Redacted Redacted Redacted. Then you obviously have to go to Redacted to get Redacted"

[fading canyon]

At least we know the first part is grow to elder/passive to elder

[tardy perch]

Get to Elder might be what fits in the blank for those first 3 redacteds

HOWEVER...this could also still just be a hint for the first step. Meaning it would be "So guys you have to grow to adult. Then you obviously have to go to ??? to get Elder"

Do we have to d osomethign to claim our last elder tick? Maybe sleep?

I'll see if this is the case, but I didn't think it was. Hence why I feel maybe that hint is hinting the 3 step process entirely

[fading canyon]

Well the issue were looking at now is the place in which we need to go, were looking for a spot thats name is only one word and most on the map have 2, Elder forest, Snowy mountain, big rock and i think some of the names arent canon either

[tardy perch]

I don't think it's a location. Because then said location could be camped by players ready to end you. But if we are to believe his EXACT wording 'go to' , it does limit our options.

Go to....sleep? Go to...something else? Sleep is the only thing I can think of atm that could fit in that without it being a actual place

[turbid prawn]

One person had to wait one extra tic to get full elder because it said 100% but it rounded up and wasn’t actually 100%

Go to every water source

[covert stag]

Well if all goes to plan my ASD should hit Elder this time tomorrow. i shall try to remember to record what happens

[tardy perch]

It might just be one word. So if it is, it wouldn't be go to 'every water source'. It's got to be one word.

Ooops sorry typoed something major there

[fading canyon]

Go to throne? go to island? Go to pride? go to sleep, go to fly, go to run, go to eat, go to swim, go to die, go to jump

the way its worded gives some options

[turbid prawn]

Go to crazy town

[tardy perch]

A lot of those you mentioned don't make grammical sense lol

[fading canyon]

since we obviously "have to go to" do something

[tardy perch]

You don't go to eat XD Not in the context of the sentence

[covert stag]

Chill people chill. Its just 1 more sleep untill christmas and i will find out lol

[fading canyon]

I go to eat all the time

Obviously you have to go to eat to unlock elder make sense, its just tossing out ideas

[tardy perch]

It has to fit properly in the sentence 'Go to ??? to get Elder

Go to 'eat' to get elder makes no sense lol

[fading canyon]

It doesnt need to be a place though, it can be an action as well

Again like i said its just tossing ideas out there, whether or not it makes sense

Cos for all we know, we have to go to die to get elder, go to die is just implying that we need to go somewhere and die to get elder, not that Die is an actual physical place

[tardy perch]

I get what you are saying, but it still sounds too weird in context

[fading canyon]

It depends on how youre reading it but i understand

[red musk]

go to the skies, go to the woods ect

[fading canyon]

For all we know it could be : have to go to crystals

[tardy perch]

I'm personally gonna try and do whatever might fit. Atm going to SLEEP seems like maybe it might be it. IF the hint was just for step 1. I'll be able to test it.

[red musk]

go to the trees, alright we have all trained our whole lives for this

[fading canyon]

No please

not the trees

[red musk]

at this point hitting trees are very dragony

[fading canyon]

Go to mountain

go to arch
Go to cave
go to river

[tardy perch]

Unfortunately if it is go to 'sleep' , that means this hint was just for step 1, which we already know about. And that would mean we have zero hitns for step 2 and 3, outside of the remaining two steps being potentially not campable and is soloable

That's assuming his other hints of 'it's not location-based' is true for all steps

[fading canyon]

go to cry

[covert stag]

At this point i think "Redacted redacted redacted" means "Passive Elder Naturally" could be way off mind you

[tardy perch]

If could be if that hint is for the entire 3 step process. But we gotta rule that it might be a clue to step 1 first. I know how I can maybe prove it's a hint to step one, but I gotta get to my last tick first. Will do that i na few days

[fading canyon]

Im pretty sure step one is just passively eldering

step 2 comes after actually getting to that point

[red musk]

i really think the "not campable" should be ignored for step 2

[tardy perch]

How come?

[red musk]

since its not actually the eldering process itself but the unlocking of the eldering process

[pliant yoke]

jao said he wont make the eldering system campable at all.

[tardy perch]

And yes I know step one is passive eldering. What I'm trying to figure out is if that specific HINT was for step 1, or if it's a hint ALL the steps

[covert stag]

Well he did say there is a first step. Passive Elder is the first step then second and so on maybe steps to faster growth should you die. Or to unlock Start off as an Elder

[red musk]

did he actually, using such words? or did he use words that talked about a specific point?

[tardy perch]

It as his exact words

Non-campable wit ha CHECK MARK next to it.

However, that could be for just step one.

[covert stag]

Also said it was Solable

[tardy perch]

Since step one is indeed non-campable and solo-able

But are step 2 and 3 also the same? We don't know, since he wasn't specific enough.

[sinful haven]

@red musk that his words

[tardy perch]

The only hint he gave that I think wasn't a hint to just step one, was him calling the process we UNLOCK from all these steps as something 'cool' to do XD

Which helps us none, but oh well lol

[red musk]

yea i dont see him using words that would completely rule out it being a non campable location to unlock it, but thats my opinion

[red musk]

i feel like he is directly refering to the camping of mushrooms here not the eldering unlock process

in the first part anyway

[covert stag]

I think i may have an idea what happens next. AND i'm going back to what was said about it being similar to SWG. Once you hit elder passively, you then have to go to a bunch of landmarks for something.

[tardy perch]

I also think the 2nd and 3rd steps will also be not campable and still solo-able. But it would be very WEIRD for him to make only some of the process that way

[fading canyon]

Technically speaking he could make a spawnable thing thats only visible to each person individually though idk how hard that would be to code

[red musk]

something like this is what im thinking atm

[tardy perch]

I don't know about coding difficulty for that either, but he can do that for sure

But to make it not-campable, whatever this is needs to be able to move

It can't stay in one spot and must e in essence, a little random

[red musk]

a bug with a unique smell, a crystal with that weird blinking effect or something similar

a pink cloud

Xd

[tardy perch]

Follow the smell of a Ancient NPCs farts

[covert stag]

100% this

[tardy perch]

Just a flaoting gas cloud that wanders the map and never goes away cuz it reeks too much lol

[red musk]

i have noticed some bright green colors at times, must be the rays passing through this cloud

[proper patio]

Location based =/= campable. Especially if it's just a general location.

[tardy perch]

That's actually the aurora passing over the sky that makes everything turn green for a little while

[red musk]

i know 😛

its also client side, everyone else dont see it

[tardy perch]

could be related to it though. You can't camp an aurora afterall lol

Oh it is? Well that's a shame

[red musk]

i mean, it could be related im just saying the light effect dont mean you arent hidden

[proper patio]

For example, go to elder forest lol can't camp the whole forest

[tardy perch]

In theory one person can't yes. But a whole clan could gaurd a lot of it.

The elder forst is big but...I think it can be easily patroled by a decent sized clan.

Especially easy for a FS with heat vision on

[proper patio]

We shouldn't outright rule it out tho

Defending territory is also a very dragon thing to do

[red musk]

thats pretty much my argument, keep it in mind but dont rule it out

[proper patio]

The whole map can be patrolled if you have enough people 🤣

[red musk]

for the next 2 steps

[tardy perch]

I mean fair enough lol

[proper patio]

Flavorfully, I love the idea of having to visit the "Elder Forest" for something that would assist the eldering journey. Makes me want to write

[fading canyon]

it would be cool if something in or about elder forest helped us

[tardy perch]

Is it actually officially called elder forest still? I know th ename was the community's idea first because the elder mushrooms were in that location. But now...?

I didn't think anything on the map had an 'official' name. Just whatever the community settled on

[fading canyon]

I think its a mix

between cannon and non cannon names

[tardy perch]

The game doesn't give any names to it's locations though.

So I don't know how any of them are official

[devout kettle]

How we doin lads

[tardy perch]

Fiiine. Don't have many leads to what step 2 and 3 might be. Just passively eldering for now

[languid spoke]

did we already rule out nesting as a possible step two or three?

[tardy perch]

Well we can't rule them out

[covert stag]

Hmm maybe once you passive Elder you get the location (through sense maybe) of a specific to your species dragon pearl?

[tardy perch]

Because we don't know if any of the hints he gave so far are even FOR step 2 or 3

[languid spoke]

nope

[finite basin]

Yes we can he said it has nothing to do wirh nesting and can be solod

[tardy perch]

For all we know every hint he spoke till now was just for step 1

[languid spoke]

we only knew that for step one it was not nesting or location based....not sure if those hold true or not for the other steps

[tardy perch]

Yeah exactly. Nestign and such isn't for step 1. But is it for step 2 and 3? We actually don't know at all

[languid spoke]

the other steps may not follow the same guidelines as they are not the same method

agreed

[finite basin]

How else do solos elder then? It doesnt add up

[steady rock]

that's honestly reassuring to read

[languid spoke]

even solo players nest/get nested. i've seen it plenty. and it can't be ruled out

[void patrol]

I wonder if steps 2 or 3 has something to do with the crystals on the map

[languid spoke]

not the crystals 😂

[void patrol]

Why not the crystals?

[languid spoke]

they have trauma

[tame crest]

Those poor crystals.

They have been violated by so many shenanigans trying to figure out eldering.

[languid spoke]

even if it is the crystals at some point, i am always going to say "not the crystals" because of all they've been through

if crystals could get therapy, their bill would be high

[tardy perch]

lol poor crystals...

[void patrol]

Unless it’s something that’ll random spawn for only those that can see it from passive eldering in which they have to eat it or pick it up or something. Also it’d be rare to find if that’s something Jao would do

[languid spoke]

i only suggested nesting because it falls into the social aspect of the game that Jao has said many times he wants the game to be more social. and even a solo player will sometimes nest/take an egg so it would encourage that

[tardy perch]

Watch it be something client-side spawned somewher eon the map like how the Dravern egg was/maybe still is gonna be. Gosh that would be heck to try and find a single thing on the map. But ti's possible

[languid spoke]

right lol

[void patrol]

I’m pretty sure nesting and taking an egg would be scratched off the list since he said it’s soloable meaning you can do it solo so by yourself and not with anyone else or the help of anyone else

[languid spoke]

you can't nest by yourself

[void patrol]

Now the big question would be if Jao decides to change how to elder or not if no one has figured it out yet after he releases the blitz since he said if no one figures it out then he’ll change how to elder. Since we have the first step already would he still change it once blitz is released

[void patrol]

No duh you can’t nest by yourself

[languid spoke]

no need to be rude

[void patrol]

That’s a 2 person thing which should be crossed off the list since like I said Jao said it’s soloable

[fading canyon]

i think at least nesting and soloable will hold true for all 3 steps

[void patrol]

So nesting and taking an egg should be crossed off the list

[languid spoke]

he did not say if the entire mechanic was soloable

i won't rule anything out until it is either stated or disproven

[tardy perch]

I mean, you can nest solo if you have enough accounts lol. But yeah no, can't nest solo

[languid spoke]

fair point there

[slender arrow]

So what about the pve guys ?

[tardy perch]

I think whn I get elder, I'm just going to do a LOT of exploring

That or try to do every other mechanic I know of that can be done on both a pve and pvp server

[slender arrow]

Which is ?

[proper patio]

Roleplay my friend!! 😉

[slender arrow]

At this point I wouldn’t rule it out

[tardy perch]

the usual. So eat, drink, assign all mutation points, do all of my calls...hmmm what else...I'll save nesting or anything that involves another player for last

I mean, chatting is a mechanic lol.

Attack and eat bugs. Attack and eat ALL the different kinds of A.I

[slender arrow]

Trying flying through the clouds

[tardy perch]

I can't do that as an ASD lol

[balmy moss]

Sleep too

Poor asd

[tardy perch]

Yup, sleep. Most of it is stuff we do everytime we log either way

[slender arrow]

I plan on eldering then taking my elder prog dragons around and see what happens

[tardy perch]

Explore is gonna be a major one for me. I'm gonna try and find maybe something weird...will have an exploration buddy too, in case they can't see it

They won't be elder

[proper patio]

So I wonder if my "sleeping under the light/glow of crystals" could still be viable 🤔 I don't have an elder just yet so I can't test it rn

[slender arrow]

Not bad idea maybe it’s something only a elder can see

[proper patio]

Oo great thought!!

[tardy perch]

The crystals are campable, but yeah can't rule it out yet until Jao tells us if step 2 and 3 are not campable too

[slender arrow]

If it’s something. Like that we are doomed on PvP lol 😂

[tardy perch]

That should be our next question XD If steps 2 and 3 are solo-able or campable

[slender arrow]

Pretty sure someone see my Clifford, the big red dog laying down on a flower 🌸 first thing there gonna is blaste me

https://tenor.com/view/started-blasting-gun-eyeglasses-so-anyway-i-started-blasting-gif-16955226

[proper patio]

That's why I need pvp pals to keep my thinking in check 🤣 ty

[novel oak]

ai dragons would make servers feel more alive and challenging, if less than 50 people on a server add 10 dragons to roam and compete against, could make it so that killing other dragons is possible on all servers to advance eldering actively i think some day

[tardy perch]

The devs do plan to add A.I dragons to at LEAST singleplayer. But that's still far away from now...at least maybe. If he chose to add 1 NPC specifically or a method, he totally could

[final cargo]

rusty1467 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[tardy perch]

I will for sure be keeping my eyes out for a possible NPC that maybe spawned once one hits elder.

[slender arrow]

Omg

GG

That’s my 4th strike lmfao

[tardy perch]

And I'm thankfully on a server that has nametags. So I'd assume a NPC will either have a special nametag, or a different colored one, or no nametag at all. I'll be able to identify it either way

[novel oak]

if he got one dragon move on its own everything is done. they have all movements and attacks already and i would assume the same coding can be used for them all except the abilities and ranged attack

[slender arrow]

My phone auto corrected my word and the bot 🤖 got me lmfao rip 🪦

[native yacht]

so do you need to passive elder for all or just one?

[random schooner]

Hopefully just one, but I myself just eldered my ASD so I shall be conducting some research from here on out myself too :>

[native yacht]

it said "obviously" you must go BLANK. so its somewhere obvious

[rapid belfry]

did we find anything about step 2

[native yacht]

you must wait for those who have naturally eldered to now play their part

[balmy moss]

I think we got as far as knowing it comes after step 1 lol

We will get there

[vocal pasture]

getting to elder through the ferrying ticks makes me sad 😦

[next flint]

We made the mistake of upstatting, so obvs we admin grew everyone.
We had 50+ people on Just for statting before we knew about step 1, today we had 16 people. Everyone is really disheartened.

I don't know about you guys, but the Eldering system has decimated us. 🥲

Especially those already Eldered or Eldering.

One of the perks of being on our Discord is unlimited grows, it kind of feels like a punishment

How are you coping with this?

[uneven mason]

Its not fun

[quaint arrow]

Absolutely do not have an "unlock the first step" with an admin growth block. In legacy, an experienced shroomer would take roughly 3 days to elder a dragon. 3 days. Passive eldering alone would take more than a month (considering it's hard to log in twice a day, every 12 hours)

Growing a person's dragon to juvi or adult is a minimal amount of time in the face of a month

[vocal pasture]

are the elder ticks the same time everyday?

[next flint]

@vocal pasture yeah

[quaint arrow]

Every 12 hours, yeh

[vocal pasture]

sorry i mean, what time everyday?

[quaint arrow]

Depends on when ya got your first passive growth

[vocal pasture]

ah

[quaint arrow]

Say you got it at 10am. Your next passive grow would be at 10pm (then the next at 10am and so on)

[mild smelt]

he said its soloable in the hints befor nothing with nesting

[tardy perch]

I mean, it's pretty obvious you shouldn't get the first step correctly done if you were admin command grown. that IS i na way, cheating. BUT...I do hope he changes it to recognize when it's a restore. OR maybe a different sort of grow that the game recognizes as one done purely to give someone back a dragon they had lost.

But I can see why he wants it to work only when it's a naturally grown dragon. I get it's disheartening to fidn that out now, but still, you can't argue that it makes sense and is fair to all that way (barring trying to make the coding recognize when it's a dragon being restored due to a glitch)

[uneven mason]

Private servers exist for a reason, i dont understand the unwillingness to allow players the freedom to cut down time if they so choose, it doesnt make any sense to me

[quaint arrow]

In a twisted way, it does make some sort of sense, but it none thr less feels like people are being punished for going into private servers. The whole reason of going to private servers is that you have a lot more freedom to do/say what you want. This addition is now restricting more on what you can do with private servers

[novel oak]

does anyone have ideas for a active eldering system that is not campble, possibly multi step process that would fit for dragon kind which could be implamented. something fun and cool to do while not being easy to obtain

[kind wedge]

[naive otter]

we already have the first hint. a bit of a pain but i pray step 2 is easier. we must obtain elder by passively growing one first without admin help so no growth boosts.... if that's what you're asking?????

[novel oak]

but if it were to change, as people are not fond of growing to elder first, what would their ideas be for a interesting eldering system. i know we havnt found the full process for current active eldering but seeing if anyone has ideas they could give to aybe help with more eldering methods

[naive otter]

wannna hear my dumb idea?

Keep it how it is currently and drop the elder tics to 1 every 30 mins. for 1hr every 24hrs. but that's just meeeeee

[novel oak]

i would think maybe one tick every few hours, not 30 mins as that could be too fast

[naive otter]

my previous thought was 4hrs but that seemed cruel aswell. plus as to avoid gaining elder too quickly i would say that the first tic shouldnt appear til after 24hrs when you reach adult to avoid issues, etc. its a silly idea i had in my mind since yesterday

[novel oak]

its not bad, just dont want anything too fast, people would at that point get adult then switch dragon until the next day

[naive otter]

i like the elder process in how its going but i just cant ever reach every single tic per 12hrs

[novel oak]

wih more AI, it could be you need hunt the bigger more angerous animals and eat them to gain any ticks, 25% chance of a tick each time you eat from something big enough

[naive otter]

plus i have a busy life which makes it 3x harder to actually try to enjoy the game

[novel oak]

yea im the same, its hard get ticks

[fading canyon]

I think having a tick every 2 to 4 hours would make it a lot easier on the ppl who have busier lives

[novel oak]

and custom for none official servers

[naive otter]

yeah gain your two elder tics per day in a shorter number of time is my thoughts in IF they were to change elder

[fading canyon]

Cos even having them at around 2 hours would be 6 ticks in a 12 hour time period, and 12 ticks if you were to login for a full 24 hours

[novel oak]

someone would elder within a weekend at that point tho which could be seen as too fast

[fading canyon]

Then adjust it per dragon species

[naive otter]

which is why i suggested the 2 tics in less time every 24hrs to avoid the speed of contesting to be the fastest..

[novel oak]

i would think 25% through timed ticks, then for the rest its tasks to do aswel, one task can be done every 4 hours to advance to the next 1/4 elder

[naive otter]

so basically imagine if tics were 4hrs apart, you gain those tics but have to wait 24hrs before your next dose, like medicine

[fading canyon]

I think the best thing honestly would be to just make % unlock point lower instead of changing the passive tick time

[naive otter]

OR if that doesnt work, at least increase the % of the tic!

instead of .9% of an IR on 1.0 speed, make it like 5% or so something small

and ASD's 10% stuff like that

[novel oak]

i was trying, from hatchling, no mushrooms, only meat to eat and hope it would count as quality of life and give higher ticks

[stray notch]

WAAA i wanna see the look on yall faces after spending DAYS looking for eldering when it was actually passive ticks

[quaint arrow]

To be fair.... the unlock method takes more than a month to do. I wouldn't mind having a tick every 30 minutes

[sharp dawn]

I honestly think that to unlock active elder on asd (for example), you have to:

1. passively elder an ASD on the server -this unlocks step 3 for asd
2. kill your asd. Grow new adult asd
3. now you should be able to "actively elder" the asd... Somehow.

I think step 1 functions like an unlock

[novel oak]

soo fully grow to elder once with any dragon to unlock active for all future dragons you hatch per server? like the mela skin?

[heavy ridge]

We don't know yet if it's unlocked per dragon (what Iceandi is saying), per server (like the mela), or per account (not likely, but I wish)

We'll figure it out when we start figuring out what the active system actually is,
Some of the people with elders are trying to discover if it's per server, and some are planning to kill off the elder and test for if it's per dragon

[maiden island]

What could be cool is if the passive ticks could be earned after getting a full elder passively, like by random chance when killing a bug...small enough of a chance to not make eldering easy af but common enough that it keeps you going

Ig that's be capable tho 🤷

[heavy ridge]

That would be active ticks, triggered by an activity. Which is what we're looking for ❤️

[maiden island]

It's hunting which is dragony imo and you can do it with or without others so It can be done solo ^^

But that dang campable

[sharp dawn]

My guess is, grow fully to elder on asd will unlock active eldering for other asds (when that one dies). But it won't unlock active elder for ss or fs-- you'd have to passive elder a fs before you got access to fast-tracked eldering on fs

[languid spoke]

passive elder unlocks step two

[novel oak]

guess ill try it with my ss thats started its eldering. gonna be a while though

[sharp dawn]

Because if you think about it, broodwatcher is a class 6 and will take an eon to passive elder. She's also correspondingly strong. It would be very, very op to passive elder an ASD, and get rewarded with access to active eldering the brood watcher (which is 3 classes above asd)

Skins like mela are one thing, because it's cosmetic. If someone does the unlock for mela on an asd, the fact that your brood watcher is black now doesn't fundamentally change combat balance. In contrast, elder does change combat

[novel oak]

not much point in class eldering either right

[sharp dawn]

Class eldering?

[novel oak]

like all dragons of that class can now ative elder, most have seperate classes

[sharp dawn]

I mean ir and fs are the same class so someone could test that

I'm guessing probably not but it would be more balanced than across classes

[heavy ridge]

But consider: I would cry pathetic little gremlin tears.

[minor jolt]

its clear as day! to become elder u gotta wait and grow old like your dragon and then boom ELDER!

[teal zenith]

that’s..an interesting way to make the mechanic

[small sedge]

Yeah 🥲 I do hope that completing the first step unlocks... whatever step 2 is for all species on a server, but it's definitely far from an interesting way to approach it. With an IR or FS, assuming you log in for every possible passive tic, that's 45 days until you hit elder. A month and a half. Three months or more if you aren't free at exactly the right times. Even the month and a half is pushing it for my attention span, no way I'd maintain enough interest in the game to see it through tbh. Especially for people on PvP servers, to avoid losing that dragon while the combat system is still wonky they're not going to do more than log on for their tic and log back off; it doesn't encourage an active interest in playing. I do really hope that the method is revisited sooner rather than later 😂

[tardy perch]

I think I can get that then. I know Jao doesn't like cheating on his official servers, but on his official servers where the only way you'd get a grow is from the admins, and they can only give them after proof of losing a dragon to a glitch.

Yeah...yeah I understand now. I'll pus hfor him to just outright remove. Cuz you are right, unofficials should be able to do what they want. And if they want to make their own servers get to elder faster so they can kill their own server pop by curbing ever new player, then that's their own problem

Still probably is a tricky situation though...especially for PVP servers. I can see that really making the pop low to zero on PVP servers if server owners abuse that...

[teal zenith]

honestly this is..him we are talking about, delays alot, this purely sounds like stalling, it’s not a “perilous journey to elder” if you’re logging in twice a day for two minutes.

[small sedge]

On the one hand I can sort of see how it might seem like a good idea at first, like, ooh yes this is a great way to prolong the game!
but instead of being a challenging method that encourages you to up your playing skills in some way or another to pass a ritual test to prove your worthiness, it instead fosters boredom It's definitely what I expected out of the "become what you seek in order to seek what you become" line, but it doesn't align at all with his earlier comment about the method being cool when so much time will need to be spent just sitting around and waiting. Twiddling thumbs.

[teal zenith]

it’s not engaging or fun, and with the extremely and quite frankly pathetic lack of content within the new 1.0.0, the one thing that was released, on time, had the community excited, is nothing more then a sloppy ‘passive ticking’ method, really? Come on, they can’t of thought that was a good way

[languid spoke]

it's a 3 step process, he never said only step one was cool.

[teal zenith]

well when we eventually figure out that step in a couple months, i’ll rethink but for now, i’m surprised people bother with the new update xD

[small sedge]

I'm aware that it's a 3 step process, but that doesn't change the fact that the first step is mind-numbingly boring. I do hope the following parts are interesting and engaging, but as it stands right now I wouldn't be able to bring myself to spend 3 months being annoyed every night as I log in for a minute or two to grab a tiny % increase.

[teal zenith]

This ^

With DoD being the only dragon game of its kind, they had so much potential with this elder system, the game wouldn’t be enjoyable without the community that’s keeping it afloat right now, but i don’t have high hopes if this is their idea of exciting and engaging activities to keep players engaged after hitting adult, nesting and shooting a couple things.

[novel oak]

this is why i was asking earlier if people had any recommendations that they feel would be good for a eldering system, fun but not easy

[teal zenith]

oh we should and have but that would just hand him and more reasons for delays and setbacks

Wings of dawn is going to be finished before this game i swear xD

[novel oak]

well the system can be worked on in the back while other updates are released, is there much benefit to eldering other than attack power

if the resources are in he game for peoples ideas, it shouldnt be too hard to add into the gameplay, so not really any setbacks

[tardy perch]

I am holding my opinion until I see the entire process. Which right now we only know step 1 of a 3 step process, and THEN we gotta see how the actual method we unlocked is (which that is the part I think he's refering to as cool, not the 3 step do this once part)

[small sedge]

Also I'm being sincere about hoping the next steps are something exciting. I would really love to see Dod flourish, but right now after the "ooh shiny game pretty dragons" effect wears off, it's lacking a core element that keeps me interested and makes me look forward to logging on, anything that really makes me feel like I'm accomplishing a task. Even a mechanic as simple as uhhh idk, prove your devotion to the ancient dragon deity X by leaving a sacrifice of Y on their altar at Z would give an actual purpose to logging on

[teal zenith]

honestly, wouldn’t be surprised if the eldering system doesn’t get tweaked or fixed for months, i mean our blitz isn’t out yet but that’s a whole other topic..

My point is, jao is behind and unorganised and will continue to be for the foreseeable, hopefully with his team this can be limited but i doubt it.
The System for the current eldering is a joke and shouldn’t of been added.

Wings of dawn for the win!!

[novel oak]

if it is exiting then maybe just a method for reworking the first step if thats all people have a issue with,maybe a way to gain aditional ticks by actively doing specific stuff

[teal zenith]

wasn’t that the initial goal for quests?

[novel oak]

soo ur saing we should hold off complaining about step 1 until questing?

[teal zenith]

Nah, i think step one is laughable, but i mean, questing was supposed to be another way to elder, but without that or any other main elements of the game that won’t be released for a fair bit, why bother adding any type of elder system?
Yes to keep the people happy, but the people aren’t happy.
They should’ve kept shrooming..atleast until the other content is added.

There are lots of cracks in the current 1.0.0, he, being jao, i can’t speak about the rest of his team, can’t add anymore updates until he fixes the current mess..so, it could be a whileee.

[novel oak]

if you just want elder, theres servers where you hatch as elder right away, no waiting needed there

[teal zenith]

Truee, but that’s missing the point of the whole system thing..

[proven pawn]

They are death match servers mainly. A lot of trolling would happen if people tried nesting

And plus you spawn as an all E elder

No one really wants that.

[teal zenith]

I want my blue shroomies back xD

[languid spoke]

there are PvE/RP servers with growth off as well, and stats aren't all E

[novel oak]

you can still get a clan and nest for better stats

[teal zenith]

That would only keep people entertained for a couple hours, there’s no progression there, no reward based

[proven pawn]

Yeah but I shouldn’t have to change servers to elder

[languid spoke]

i'm just saying if elder is the only reason to play, there are servers that have it

[proven pawn]

On Scaleworx the growth is 1.5x which is nice but still takes for ever to passive elder

[novel oak]

who ever heard of a elder the size of an adult, need time to grow

[proven pawn]

I got about half way for IR elder then yeeted it for better stats

[teal zenith]

they do but from a games perspective, that’s not, engaging? it would be cool if there were tasks along the way, like maybe at 15% elder you learn to shoot a further distance, take sharper turns or do some other kind of activity to make it more interesting

[proven pawn]

Well I’ve heard rumours they’ll add quests that give elder points/ticks

[teal zenith]

yep!

[teal zenith]

^

[proven pawn]

Because that’s how we’ll unlock the hybrid dragon for a temporary time (which I’m not happy about but can’t do anything about it)

[teal zenith]

I need my zappy worm first xD

[teal zenith]

i suppose on pve..if you don’t let it die, it’ll be okay

[heavy ridge]

Didn't they change it to being nestable? Infertile, but nestable.

[fading bramble]

Any information here? I just saw this

[heavy ridge]

How long were you gone, did you catch these?

[somber rover]

I elderd one dragon in legacy by passive and swore off ever doing it again because it made me want to hit my head on a brick wall so looks like ill be forever stuck as adult in 1.0 lol or its gonna take me 6+ months to get elder passive as i just dont have time to get on all that often

[tardy perch]

I think at the moment, it sems hard for anyone to imagine ever getting a nelder purely from passiv eticks because they can't find enough reaso nto play the game that much. But remember this game isn't done yet. WE still got plenty coming down the road that should hopefully help fill the game with content to keep you busy so that you actually at least log on daily to play and in turn you grab ticks when you do that

The only reason I'm not on upstating lately is cuz I'm waiting for the Fantasy servers with the pearls and quests to get here. I don't wanna make progress on a server I'll know I'll be leaving

[somber rover]

I dont think its a good business practice to release everything half made and make your community wait months or even years for slight improvements like if nothing is motivating me to play it now im just going to completely forget about it and never come back to it

idk thats my opinion on it and all i will say on this whole issue as this isn't the chat to discuss that kinda stuff

[heavy ridge]

... we're still in early access?

[tardy perch]

Yeah sorry to burst your bubble, but the game is still in EA, so playing a not finished game is kinda in the title in plain sight

[rigid vale]

I would only try to elder when quests come out tbh

[balmy moss]

Be growing my tamagotchi dragon

[fading bramble]

‌TvT I haven't played much
But thanks!

After new version *

[mild smelt]

no the game is released it makes nothing better i know

i hope rhino think about the passiv elder thing and change it not all have the patience to log on everyday twice to get the elder ticks and wait like more then a month or a month to elder one dragon and have till then the chance to figure out how to active elder

Especially considering what a mess the soft release is, not to mention significant issues like the skin fail and performance problems, these are all not minor issues. And then to put such a barrier in the community's way just to be able to elder to grind, unfortunately, that's timegating and not well-received. I don't know any gamer who approves of it, sadly. It's very disappointing, especially since at the end of the timegate, you only have the chance to potentially figure out how the heck to elder passively. I hope you only need to elder one dragon passively to be able to elder actively. I have 5 accounts, which doesn't make it any easier for me, and I know people with 14+ accounts who would also not be thrilled about it, let alone the time required.

[balmy moss]

I approve of it

[small sedge]

Version 1.0 of a game is supposed to be a complete game with all major features included. Jao himself said that 1.0 was going to be the game leaving early access and include 4 new dragons, 1 elemental, new AI, new skin crafting/nesting, player economy, etc.
#announcements message
Obviously things have since changed and I'm not gonna berate the guy for being in the hospital or not putting his nose to the grindstone while bedridden, but still being in early access while being release version 1.0 is a really strange choice.

[proper patio]

Where we are at:

Seems like we are at a standstill for ideas while folks begin their passive elder journey and we wait to hear from those who are already elder?

I'm looking forward to hearing what our current handful of elders have tried so far 🤔

[lime viper]

I wish that he could double the amount of percentage we get from the passive ticks with the first step being passive eldering I play a lot, like multiple hours a day but it is hard to get both elder ticks a day since they are 12hrs apart

Making it like, getting small ticks every 1hr would be way better I think. But yeaahh we will see how the system will change over time

At least I am very excited for blitz and helga I wanna get my grabby hands on them

[mild smelt]

thats a nice idea the ppl that play alot would have a positiv thing out of playing alot

[lime viper]

Yeah I think even getting a tick every 1hr of playing would be cool, so people who actually play the game get rewarded for it.

[mild smelt]

100% agree

[small sedge]

I dunno, I like the idea of there being specific tasks to complete in order to reach elder. It's supposed to be this elite thing, this awesome new status, so sitting around and playing more of the thumb-twiddling "guess I'll just sit around and wait to get bigger" game isn't appealing to me.

[mild smelt]

agree but then it would be grindable and not like log all 12 h in stand for 10 sec and log out

[small sedge]

As an alternative to having to passively elder first to unlock active eldering with another dragon tho, yes I'd much prefer that

Just not a fan of having to passive first before being able to active on a completely unrelated dragon, because where's the sense in that mechanic

[mild smelt]

only timegating nothing others

[covert stag]

Afternoon folks. I would be happy with 2 weeks tops to grow an elder. But this ober a month or well 2 for FS and IR is ridiculous.

[small sedge]

If there were other aspects of the game to complete in the interim I don't think it'd be quite so mind-numbing. Unfortunately even if the passive eldering is switched to accrued time vs just ticks, PvP would be just an extended "hide the best you can so you don't get sniped by a cloaked SS and lose all your growth progress" and PvE would remain "sit around until you get hungry/thirsty enough, maybe upstat a few other people but you can't upstat yourself because then you lose your growth progress"

[covert stag]

Just over 4 hours to go and i will have an Elder ASD and see what happens

[small sedge]

I'd love for some epic bosses to get added in like imagine an epic fight and at the end of it you go and chomp down on the carcass of the boss to absorb some of its power, giving yourself a boost to your eldering progress

[covert stag]

Save something like that forthe Elmentals i think would be best option for that idea

[small sedge]

obvs there'd have to be some additional mechanics put in, like you've gotta deal a certain amount of damage to it yourself to avoid someone lurking around not helping and then getting the benefits, and the carcass would have to be client-based and not server-based so that everyone can get a nibble but

gimme game mechanics like THAT to elder, make it engaging, make it fun 🤩

[covert stag]

Is there a suicide key in game? I may sacrifice my IR for testing purposes once ASD elders. Smashing my face off a cliff side at 100+mph doesnt work

[small sedge]

PvE?

[covert stag]

I am the only one left on the server im on. it did yse to be full lol

[sweet flicker]

only way to die in PvE is crashing till you have very little amount of health, then getting killed by a bug

[covert stag]

PVP

[small sedge]

oof, nope I guess divebombing the ground from above the clouds is your best bet

[lime viper]

Crash till you have 1% HP and then go fight an AI bug xD

[covert stag]

Tried

[small sedge]

and hope the bug finds your hitbox

[covert stag]

Killed by dinner....the shame

[small sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-go-t-game-of-thrones-walk-of-shame-shameful-gif-4949558

[lime viper]

Yes xD Bugs is the only thing that can kill you, since falling or crashing will never kill you (which is good tbh)

[small sedge]

I did not know this 🤣 I'm a bad pilot but thankfully not THAT bad that I found out on my own lol

[lime viper]

Yeah sometimes if you hit your dragon toe against a tree it takes off like 80% of your health but at least it doesnt kill you lol

[covert stag]

Not so good when you just want to end it all. The road to Elder hood is a loooong and depressing one...

[lime viper]

Of all my friends the dude who doesn't play at all but only logs in every 12hrs for ticks is the furthest on eldering. All the other of us who play multiple hours a day nesting and fighting are all way not as far as him. It is kinda sad lol

[covert stag]

Damn near 50% growth IR may die by a friggin bug 🤦‍♂️

[covert stag]

I would move to a more populated server but ive come to far with growth to bother. If i start playin on anotherserver i WILL forget which server my Elders are on lol

[small sedge]

same vibes as this bear being intimidated by the cat

[stray notch]

thats my guess, BUT DO WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO WOULD SACRIFICE HIS ELDER FOR SCIENCE???

[sharp dawn]

I would... But I don't have an elder right now

[turbid copper]

It would make sense to work like that tbh

[azure pulsar]

yes

[covert stag]

After a bit of exploring and if i find nothing i will

in about 3 hours my ASD will be Elder...hopefully lol