New Elder System

[balmy moss]

It will take time, it's not a instant genie wish to become elder

[lime viper]

yeah thats what a grind is and I totally dont mind grinding xD I can sit here 6hrs grinding FF14 raids LMAO

[balmy moss]

Also just because it not campable doesn't mean it's not part of the map. We can't ignore that yet

[pliant yoke]

we need more hints

100%

[balmy moss]

HOW IS CAMPABLE NOT A WORD. ITS 2024.

[lime viper]

or at least a "maybe look at the [insert important hint here]" from jao xD

[balmy moss]

Hmm I'm gonna do something. It will take a minute cause I'm at work

[pliant yoke]

yea thats what we need fr fr fr

[lime viper]

if it is non-campable then bugs/shrooms/any food or water source is basically out of the window because yes, people even camp bug spawns on PvP

[balmy moss]

"It has nothing to do with nesting or pvp"..."But there is a first step that unlocks the process"

Jao quote. I just added them together

It has nothing to do with nesting or pvp.... BUT. key word but

[pliant yoke]

can we agree on that we all are tired of flying around the map and trying to find clues for hours?

without any result

[lime viper]

*not finding clues for hours

[balmy moss]

Should these two quotes be together?

[lime viper]

yeah

[lime viper]

I would not smash anything together on the clues tbh, might cause more confusion?

[red musk]

It makes it sound like nesting/pvp could be a part of the process... After the first step xd

[balmy moss]

I AGREE. But at the same time we need to theorize. Critical thinking. Analyze word usage and sentence structure. But at the same time take it with a grain of salt

If need be I can do this out of channel so there's no confusion

[lime viper]

People went to analyze the old jedi games because that was a hint at some point

[balmy moss]

Socrates eat your heart out

This reminds me of the edgar allen poe debate

[pliant yoke]

having a lil quiz is fun and all, but not finding anything even after a few weeks is just not fun anymore

[balmy moss]

It's not thats why we need to take a break sometimes lol

[lime viper]

I dont want to take a break, I actually wanna play the game and grind some endgame

but if you dont know how to do it after looking for it for a month

then I go and play something else haha

[balmy moss]

I'm turning into captain holt from Brooklyn 99. "Apparently bio can't elder is a trigger for me."

[chrome yarrow]

i feel like im turning into charlie from IASIP

PEPE SILVA!

[balmy moss]

YES! That was me after the first hour. Lol

We're just a bunch of charlie day's in a apartment with no bedroom.

[bold tusk]

Sorry was doin stuff.
I mean it depends how you think he said it. You can say he meant it in a way that is programmed wise rather than physical.
Because if you think about it, the stuff that bio can't do has so far been proven to not be an eldering thing.

[lime viper]

Yeah I did think of that already too, like ok Bio cant elder because it posses already all the points you would gain from eldering

[balmy moss]

Hmm ya

[lime viper]

But then maybe they had to give Bio the points already because it can't attack/dmg anything which is a way to unlock the elder system

[pliant yoke]

they made bio not able to elder cus its a cosmetic dragon

not cus it cant bite or anything

[wide canopy]

Bio cant elder bc its a tier 2.

Tier 1/2 cant elder.

[pliant yoke]

and tier 1/2 are cosmetic.

so bio cant elder cus cosmetic

[wide canopy]

feathered micro dragon.

egg stealer.

Its tier 1

I think

Also honestly at this point i wouldnt count bio cosmetic.

[pliant yoke]

bio

is

cosmetic

the devs said it multiple times

[wide canopy]

Yes it might be to THEM

But in pvp i dont think so. Yall got anywhere with eldering yet?

[compact berry]

what about it isnt cosmetic

[wide canopy]

Bio technically isnt cosmetic to pvpers but im not yappin ab it here

[red musk]

They are refering to its use as a scout

[pliant yoke]

can bio bite? nah, can it deal dmg? nah
so its cosmetic

[wide canopy]

Dawg.

Off topic.

[lime viper]

Bio is a great scout and can keep up with SS so no escape

[spiral meteor]

Bio basically is support lmao

[pliant yoke]

yes it can be a scout but it is still a cosmetic

[compact berry]

back to elder talk

[wide canopy]

Smhh ppl cant accept certain things.
But anyone got a list of what bio can and cannot do?

[balmy moss]

Hivemind petition to clear chat and start fresh

[wide canopy]

Honestly yh

[chrome yarrow]

if anyone is interested the test branch ages you to elder on spawn if anyone wants to look for stuff as elder

[wide canopy]

Techno..

You. Are. Already. Elder.

As in you CANT do anything.

[balmy moss]

I did have a list. But then it was spammed to oblivion

[chrome yarrow]

dont yell at me XD

[wide canopy]

We’re looking for the ACTIVE method..

[balmy moss]

Cause bio can't elder..

[wide canopy]

Im half asleep

[wide canopy]

Yes.

It cant.

What can bio can and cannot do besides outswim the lord.

[pliant yoke]

.

[wide canopy]

..

We are not finding eldering.

Lol.

[balmy moss]

Can't get sick from mushrooms

[wide canopy]

Yhh i give up we aint findin it. Let jao change it

[pliant yoke]

thats what i meant by poison

[balmy moss]

Sorry My english is not great

[balmy moss]

Got another theory that will be doing in 8h when I get home. I'll be growing asd, ir, ss and fs straight from spawning to adult. That way I can 100% guarantee that it's not this.

[wide canopy]

I already have everything adult on a pvp serv. Not it.

And that's been tested before.

[balmy moss]

I've got no Dragons still gonna do it just incase there's no audio or visual que for first step

[wide canopy]

Oook dont listen. Gl?

[balmy moss]

And I need mela unlock

[wide canopy]

Fair.

Yk how to get mela right-?

[regal oriole]

imma go online and test a few things. wish me luck

[balmy moss]

I cant wait for this thread to be locked

Gl kay

[wide canopy]

Im on btw if anyone wants me to test anythin

Also was the orb debunked.

[balmy moss]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-avengers-endgame-old-man-i-dont-think-i-will-gif-14669627

[wide canopy]

Yh we aint finna unlock elderin-

[regal oriole]

if anyone wants to join me. i am on the age of dragons server. i can give everyone grows

[slender arrow]

Can’t be that tho he said it’s not a PvP thing and unless pve has thing that you can’t die if old age combat is the only way to die so yeah

[red musk]

You can die of a mushroom overdose, dehydration, starvation or loosing to a bug in a duel to the death

[balmy moss]

Its just something to test and cross the board at the end

Elimination round

[turbid copper]

still doesn't make sense to eat an elder tbh

[balmy moss]

Nope

[red musk]

One of my early theories was eating an elder to gain elder ticks xd

[balmy moss]

It's tough

[balmy moss]

I did eat my ir that did have elder ticks and that didn't work. It's a bit similar

[red musk]

Yea, I think the no pvp rules it out imo

[balmy moss]

Ya. I was hoping for a bit of word play cause technically it was player vs self

[red musk]

Technically you wouldn't need to pvp to do it but if that was the solution I would be really mad at that hint lol

[pliant yoke]

how bout we list the stuff we have already tried

[red musk]

Feel free to browse the 30 000 messages

[balmy moss]

I'm sorry veosk but that would be a monumental task

[slender arrow]

Sure but in elder dying to them things lol 😂 I mean un less your waggs but that’s just waggs

[regal oriole]

why do i want to make a chart to see what bio can't do compared to other dragons?

[red musk]

A random on uk5 lost their 50% elder to a mushroom overdose once :p

[balmy moss]

Good idea. If anyone want to do that and ask for it to be pinned.

[slender arrow]

I think someone pinned it already

I seen Someone make it yesterday tho

[pliant yoke]

i did one today

[balmy moss]

Ya the one I made is about 1000 messages above us

[pliant yoke]

.

[slender arrow]

It’s crazy how the how to unlock mela thread, is like 80 messages and the this elder thread is like 40k messages lmfao 😂

[balmy moss]

31303 now

[slender arrow]

If we get to 50k he will spill the beans

[regal oriole]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MFmyqIM3A0facc0VnPBpZGKj7WCOjVl9Cmj6cXirJXo/edit?usp=sharing

go ham

[turbid copper]

[balmy moss]

Ok critical thinking time. This is to theorize why. Ideas. Why is there a unlock prerequisite for the process of eldering? Ideas shoot!

[regal oriole]

i mean, mela was still the same as in legacy. so not hard to do.

[tall fossil]

The part about "first step cannot be completed by a bio" makes me think that its something that will unlock elder on all dragons on that server (but if you do it with bio it wont work) or that its physically something that bio cant do but it would be able to do the other things

[chrome yarrow]

could be to start a script client side that reveals things hidden on the map before?

[tall fossil]

Other things as in, the things you need to grow after unlocking

[balmy moss]

Unlocking prerequisite means this to me: the process is something that everyone does already. But there's no progress cause we haven't done the unlocking prerequisite. Thoughts?

[balmy moss]

Interesting

[tall fossil]

Someone said something that the mushroom grind was also changed to something different because jao wanted it to be more "dragon like" anyone knows what was that about?

[balmy moss]

I wasnt here for elder mushrooms, but I do know all the mushrooms are now just red.

[tall fossil]

Yea i know there arent elder shrooms anyomre but when i was scrolling this chat i saw someone saying something that the new method should be more dragon like, and i was wondering where did that came from and can it be taken as a hint

[balmy moss]

Idk 100% but I have heard of this. In an old stream jao apparently said he wanted it more dragony

I cannot confirm this

[regal oriole]

i should just tell us what the first step is lol xD

[balmy moss]

Huh

[regal oriole]

i mean he

was somewhere else in my head when typing xD

[tall fossil]

The first step is probably the most difficult and once we achieve it i have a theory that growth will be added for things like eating flying etc

[regal oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/i-might-be-an-idiot-liz-lemon-30rock-idiot-stupid-gif-19745990

[balmy moss]

We are stressed out, but I think this is huge. Look at all the hints and look at what I am theorizing for the unlock step

We are probably already doing the process. Its the unlock we are stuck on and not letting us recieve progress. Figuring out how to elder... meaning "unlock."??? Difficult.

I need to find my screenshots

[balmy moss]

Tyty

[tall fossil]

Yeah thats what i think

Eldering, cool maybe because you already did those things and theyre just part of the normal gameplay

[balmy moss]

Yup we just need to turn the car on first

Before we can drive

I dont think we are far off. We just haven't found the keys

[regal oriole]

the thing is. is the first step as hatchie, juvie or adult

[balmy moss]

that's what I'm thinking. Cause technically you can't spawn as a bio cause it's a kickstarter dragon and not everyone has access to it

[tall fossil]

Also maybe im just looking too much into it but look at how he worded it, he specifically said first step

[balmy moss]

But I can't get any farther than that cause it doesn't make sense

[regal oriole]

but some ppl don't have the asd dlc

[balmy moss]

True.... but its not unattainable, but then it would put a price Tag on elder.... darn you are right.

I feel like fcg casting divination. Is it dancer or d?

Lol

[tall fossil]

I dont think its about spawning in, but probably something that you do after

[balmy moss]

Yes spawning in, doubtful now

I am this close to getting red yarn a whiteboard and printing these hints

[turbid copper]

https://tenor.com/view/charloe-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-gif-8902247

[balmy moss]

Also saying not campable doesn't mean the same as "not map related."

Petition to call elder, Pepe silvia

[regal oriole]

did anyone ask jao if there is a visual or audio clue to tell us if we made the first step?

[balmy moss]

Not sure. Haven't seen anything regarding this

[pliant yoke]

isnt it strange that sometimes theres that music from httyd?

[tall fossil]

I doubt it, but if it gives us growth then maybe well get "tou feel stronger"

Music?

[pliant yoke]

yes

[balmy moss]

Okokok regarding the price tag I can eliminate asd from the theory of needing it

[pliant yoke]

am i the only one hearing it sometimes while playing?

it sometimes just randomly starts

[balmy moss]

Httyd?

[tall fossil]

Do you have the music pack bought?

[pliant yoke]

might be wrong bout it being from httyd but it kind of sounds like it

[pliant yoke]

that a dlc or smth?

[balmy moss]

Oh the movie

[pliant yoke]

if so, then no

[regal oriole]

with his hints we got, he said non campable. Is the whole proccess non campable? or just the first step? Maybe only the rest and the first step is campable.

[pliant yoke]

do you guys think it has smth to do with the music we sometimes hear?

[turbid copper]

The whole process is not campable

[regal oriole]

you get music from a baby hatching and from flying hight

[red musk]

Um... Do you even have to do the first step as a dragon?

[pliant yoke]

you sure? today i got it while just sitting on the ground doing nth

[balmy moss]

Based on the hints. I could say the unlock feature is separate from the process.

Everyone I am liking the theorizing we are doing now.

[tall fossil]

How much % does ss get when eldering with ticks?

[balmy moss]

We are not shooting anything down. We are just asking why

[balmy moss]

1.3 then 1.2 then 1.3

Repeats

[regal oriole]

i enabled everyone who got the link. so put in what you have

[regal oriole]

kinda. whan you nest and one of your eggs hatches you get music. when you fly high aswell. i never had it start randomly

[balmy moss]

Interesting

[balmy moss]

You didn't boink someone then fly away and forget? Cause that's what happened to me

[regal oriole]

i am allways a female. the moment you fly up to the clouds you get music. atleast for me

[balmy moss]

Ok

[regal oriole]

let my make a vid

[balmy moss]

Yes please that would be great

[red musk]

He said he made eldering endgame, what is more endgame than the credits? Xd

[balmy moss]

... this is so far-fetched I like it

Wait where are the credits

I swear if he added it to the terms and conditions..

Hahaha

[pulsar swift]

Flying high will get you the music regardless if you bonked anyone

[balmy moss]

Soo continuing my theory of the unlock feature is separate from the process. Would the unlock feature be a passive that would makes the process active now. Or would the unlock feature be repeated per process for each dragon.

[balmy moss]

Yes and now cause this theory I can't ignore Altitude now

[red musk]

The credits are on the main menu of the game

[pulsar swift]

I'd have searched for a 3rd song trigger. Aside from nesting and flying high

[balmy moss]

Kay might have found one

[pulsar swift]

Jao already said it wasnt related to nesting so

[regal oriole]

huh?

only the flying

@balmy moss

[balmy moss]

Ohh

[regal oriole]

it was veosk who said they got it randomly while on the ground

[balmy moss]

Oh my bad

[regal oriole]

np

[pulsar swift]

Yea, so far its 2 confirmed (hatching and flying high)

Veosk may have had a nearby nest idk

We'd need to reproduce it somehow

[balmy moss]

@pliant yoke the music did you bonk anyone earlier and forget?

[pulsar swift]

(please look away, Fandom. My phone is too small for my XXL mitts)

[pliant yoke]

I bonked someone and we had a nest but the egg wasnt even ready at all and we didnt have children yet

[red musk]

You could try using the song names when looking for a trigger if you haven't tried to yet

[pulsar swift]

Were you female? Or male?

[balmy moss]

Are you 100% sure. Sorry just have to check

[pliant yoke]

Male

[pliant yoke]

Yes im sure

[balmy moss]

The sound you heard. Did it sound like hatchling or sky or something different

Ok ty

[pliant yoke]

Tbh idk the difference, havent played new version a lot

[pulsar swift]

Yeah then its possibly an egg from the female that you werent informed about maybe, idk

[balmy moss]

He said it didn't hatch yet. They weren't ready

[regal oriole]

the song you hear when flying is "first flight" i think

[pulsar swift]

I take everything with a bucket of salt, Smif. If it has another explaination than eldering, thats most likely it

[balmy moss]

Veosk do you have access to the sound track to see if you can recognize it?

[balmy moss]

I understand

Giants of the forest song stands out to me

[pliant yoke]

Has any of u ever watched the credits completely?

With rhino explaining his story etc

[balmy moss]

Nope

[pliant yoke]

No i do not have access to it

[balmy moss]

Ok

Do you have the cords where you heard the song?

[pliant yoke]

He explains his story in the end of the credits

[pliant yoke]

No, i never record anything, mb

[balmy moss]

If you remember where you were you can hit I and get the coordinates

[pliant yoke]

I was at br

[balmy moss]

I'll have to look at the credits when I get home. I like stories

Ok

[pliant yoke]

Tbh you might cry lol

Just so that yk

He tells about his father passing etc

Also did rhino rlly say he want the elder system to be an endgame thing?

[compact reef]

I guess a good question to ask jao is if the first step is untamable at some point

[turbid copper]

yes

[balmy moss]

Yes he said "it's endgame."

[regal oriole]

he didn't lika that so many players where eldering so fast in legacy

[pliant yoke]

The credits are the most endgame ive ever seen, so i watched em but didnt find anything

[pliant yoke]

I can watch em again and stream em for you if you'd like

Maybe you find smth ive missed

[balmy moss]

I'm at work unfortunately

[pliant yoke]

Isnt endgame also like for example killing a boss maybe?

[turbid copper]

yea but not here

in this game i mean

[pliant yoke]

I feel like we missed smth tbh

[tall fossil]

Everyday i lean more and more towards the theory that its just growing one dragon to elder and it will unlock active eldering per server

[pliant yoke]

I hope that isnt actually the case

[tall fossil]

Yeah me too

I never grew an elder even in legacy

[wide canopy]

I grew a fstat elder in legacy.. fun

[pliant yoke]

Rhino said he thinks ppl grew elder to fast in legacy even tho it was WAY to slow

[tall fossil]

Lol

[wide canopy]

NOT REALLY

It was REALLY fast

[pliant yoke]

Or atleast the method completely sucked cus of campers

It was REALLY slow because of all the campers

[wide canopy]

On pvp? Easy. Hella fast

[wide canopy]

Kill the campers. Obviously

[pliant yoke]

On pvp u die within a few mins😂

[tall fossil]

On pve it was toxic

[wide canopy]

On pve? Ticks or crater.

[pliant yoke]

Yea gl dying

[wide canopy]

I never die on pvp (with adult dragons)

[pliant yoke]

Yea sure camper

[wide canopy]

I have died 2 times max on genuine adults.

[pliant yoke]

U cant convince us that eldering was fast

[wide canopy]

If u gonna argue with me take it to my dms

[chrome yarrow]

does anyone know what that little bronze crescent symbol above my healthbar is? it appears breifly when i log in but dissapears

[wide canopy]

Eldering WAS fast tho

[wide canopy]

Torpor

[chrome yarrow]

oh ok

[wide canopy]

As in “ya woozy welcome back”

[pliant yoke]

I only argue with ppl who actually listen, not with ppl who just repeat what they're saying and arent listening

[wide canopy]

But yh jao made eldering alot slower it seems vs legacy

[pliant yoke]

I dont wanna argue w walls

[wide canopy]

Bc yk im right.

[pliant yoke]

Nah i know ur wrong

It took months to hit elder

[wide canopy]

Has anyone had any indication of first stage eldering?

[wide canopy]

Took me one week on us4.

Fs wise.

[pliant yoke]

Sure sure

[wide canopy]

Ss? Bout 2.

[turbid copper]

My fs took 2 weeks on legacy

[pliant yoke]

Its only fast for campers

[wide canopy]

Thats how u got em, and i flew around rlly or afk’d.
But if jao made is slower what WOULD it be since its endgame

Anyone got a list of endgame things for 1.0

[pliant yoke]

wdym by endgame things

[wide canopy]

Jao said eldering was endgame.

So. What’s endgame to ppl?

Besides nesting or pvp.

[pliant yoke]

credits, bosses

well there arent any bosses so thats a no

maybe discovering smth?

[wide canopy]

Wdym credits bruv

[burnt sphinx]

i think whatever comes after adult can be considert endgame

[pliant yoke]

or collecting smth

[wide canopy]

INGAME.

[pliant yoke]

technically its ingame

[chrome yarrow]

exploring? i dont know figuring this out is MY endgame XD

[wide canopy]

Thats LITERALLY wt we’re after

[wide canopy]

What can we collect? Pearls?? No.

[turbid copper]

credits are not endgame

[wide canopy]

Exactly

[pliant yoke]

maybe smth we havent found yet, who knows

[wide canopy]

Honestly its early game

[wide canopy]

Pearls aint ingame rn besides cosmetics

[pliant yoke]

who said it has to be pearls

[wide canopy]

Ight someone mark this

Endgame in my terms without pvp or wtv is all dragons adult ig?

(which mind ive already done.)

Did the goofy orb get debunked btw?

[pliant yoke]

?

[wide canopy]

…

[burnt sphinx]

So the question is what can elder do what an adult might cant

[wide canopy]

Not get clapped in pvp. And or starve less

Thats- literally it

We KNOW wt elders can do

[burnt sphinx]

Ya but where does the "Endgame start" in that transition

[wide canopy]

Wdym

[burnt sphinx]

is it when you hit adult or at your first tick

[wide canopy]

First point..

[tall fossil]

Imo its when u hit 100% elder with good stats and skin

[wide canopy]

SPAWN- 1
JUVENILE- 1
ADULT- 1
25% ELDER- 1
50% ELDER- 1
75% ELDER- 1
100% ELDER- 1

(7 Total)
Reminder

[burnt sphinx]

So you say the "Endgame" starts w first elder point

[wide canopy]

No-

No. Not at all.

[burnt sphinx]

So where/when does the Endgame actualy start

[wide canopy]

Dude..

[covert stag]

Good stats requires nesting right? It's got nothing to do with nesting or pvp is what the man said anyway

[wide canopy]

endgame

ENDgame

[burnt sphinx]

ya but think about mmos

[pliant yoke]

when it starts? most likely when u hit adult

[wide canopy]

What.

[burnt sphinx]

a fkin endgame gear doesnt mean top stats right of the bad

[wide canopy]

-_-

This thread is driving me mental.

[pliant yoke]

wait couldnt endgame also start once u get ur first passive elder tick? because when u hit adult u completed the game but then the endgame starts with 1% elder?

[wide canopy]

yes.

[tall fossil]

I was saying what endgame was to me not how to unlock elder

[covert stag]

I think it is getting to Elder then unlocks faster growth or start as an Elder with other dragons. My ASD will be 80% later today so not to long to find out.

[wide canopy]

If youre ALREADY ELDER then you CANT active elder

[tall fossil]

But maybe it is server unlock active elder for your other dragons

[covert stag]

I heard Jao said it was similar to Star Wars Galaxies. Once you unlocked force sensitivity you unlocked it in character creation to.

[red musk]

I'm a bit late to this one but depending on how many people you have helping and how active the server is you could elder a dragon in like 24-48 hours

[wide canopy]

That would be stupid.

[pliant yoke]

u sure u heard him say that?

[wide canopy]

Adding on. In dead server you could get it within a 2-3

[covert stag]

Just going by whay others have said here

[turbid copper]

He didn't said that, it was an example that if he would tell us everyone would be elder

[pliant yoke]

yall remember this btw

[covert stag]

Sounds like passive tic to me that lol

[pliant yoke]

most likely yes, because endgame starts w first passive tick

[calm sage]

maybe you need to eat something as an elder?
Since first step can't be completed by Bio, and as we know bio can't eat bugs and mushroom

[covert stag]

Anyhoo lunch break over. Laters

[pliant yoke]

wait but he said he thinks no one has done the 1st step yet

[wide canopy]

if youre ALREADY ELDER you CANT elder.

[compact reef]

can a bio pick up there babys?

[wide canopy]

Yes

[compact reef]

darn

[calm sage]

ok, then as a adult
i know it's not campable, but i have no other ideas🤷‍♀️

[wide canopy]

Hence why ima repeat saying “just wait for jao to change it”

We wont get it

[pliant yoke]

But we wanna get it

[wide canopy]

But we Wont

Blitz is EXTREMELY close

[wide canopy]

Grandpa.
Anyway, seriously

Odds of us finding it after weeks of trying is lowww

[pliant yoke]

Even if we wont get it i hope atleast rhino tells us what the methode we didn't find was

[wide canopy]

We’ve tried everything ngl

[wide canopy]

He probably will and i think he said he would

Ima get some sleep yall gave me a headache

[pliant yoke]

I was even at the point where i started attacking and shooting at bio flowers and crystals

[calm sage]

I mean, why he mention Bio? Maybe other dragons can do what bio can't?
Just thinking

[pliant yoke]

Bio can't do A LOT of things

Type 'cant' in the searchbar and look at my message

[simple ore]

can´t elder...

[pliant yoke]

Not only that

[balmy moss]

Heh

I cant stop giggling

[pliant yoke]

What is it

[balmy moss]

Nothing important

[simple ore]

To me "endgame" sounds like 18 A

[pliant yoke]

I dont think that's it tbh

[balmy moss]

How do we get 18a? 🙂

[chrome yarrow]

nothing to do with nesting he said

[simple ore]

maybe he meant the nesting itself? But a quality dragon would still be necessary?

[chrome yarrow]

soloable too he said

[dense current]

You can’t get a quality without nesting tho

[simple ore]

oh. that.

sorry.

[dense current]

Also this

[pliant yoke]

But what in the world could be the first step he thinks no one has done yet

[chrome yarrow]

no idea

[simple ore]

18 a. Eldering.

discovering the whole map with one dragon

[pliant yoke]

What do ppl mostly not do?
Watch credits (done)
Any other ideas?

[simple ore]

What about that flight course someone talked about? Did anyone figure that out?

[pliant yoke]

Tbh i dont think its anything like that

Even if, there are so many ppl atleast ten have done it already

Also asd can't fly

[simple ore]

maybe you have to be carried around the whole map as a hatchie? Oh no but soloable...

[pliant yoke]

Mhm its soloable

Smth most likely no one has done yet...

Drink from every water source available???

But bio could do that

[novel oak]

make a bug flee in fear? is that possible in game?

[pliant yoke]

I dont think anyone has tried it yet..

[pliant yoke]

Can you get on rn?

To test it out

[balmy moss]

I made the bugs jump back FLINCH by 1 calling as a ss while invisible.

[turbid copper]

you can't do that

[pulsar swift]

We've tried that

[tall fossil]

He also said that eldering once you know how is cool

[pliant yoke]

Did it get u anything?

[pliant yoke]

No he didnt say its cool once you know how

Pls reread his message

[balmy moss]

Didn't notice anything except that mechanic

[pulsar swift]

I'm thinking Jao didnt mean "Bio cant do it" as "Bio is unable to do the action of the 1st step", but rather as "Doing the first step as a Bio wont do anything cause Bios cant elder"

[tall fossil]

He did check screen

[balmy moss]

The moon is round

[pliant yoke]

Tbh i dont even get his sentence

[balmy moss]

Water is wet. Why give a hint if it's based on on something we already know?

[pulsar swift]

Wording. He could've meant it like "Once you know how to do it, cool, whatever. Now you know the method"

Not that the actual eldering method is cool and amazing and shiny or whatever

[tall fossil]

Has anyone tried aiming at bugs and calling?

[pulsar swift]

Yes

We've violated bugs as much as we violated the crystals, if not more

Since you can actually pick up bugs

Wait

Have anyone tried to airdrop bugs into ancient water pools?

[pliant yoke]

Have u tried yeeting em at crystals?

[pulsar swift]

We tried ritually sacrificing bugs to the crystals in hopes that the great crystal entity would bless us with the knowledge

[pliant yoke]

Did u get any?

[pulsar swift]

No, I'm as stupid as I was day 1

[red musk]

I hope they add a bug inside of one of the crystals as a throwback to this thread at some point

[pulsar swift]

I have also scoured the map for 3 consecutive hours from air, from ground, with night vision, stealthed, visible, as ss

[rough root]

Also in the docs 🙏

[pliant yoke]

Must be smth u can also do on the ground since asd can't fly

We need rhinos help

[balmy moss]

Someone for the heck of it. Mess with the blue walls edge of map.

[pulsar swift]

Sniffed the map borders, plasma blasted shrooms, flown through the Eon spot log, did the rain dance at the stone formation circle in west-northwest etc

[pulsar swift]

Been there done that

Tried to fly over them even

[pliant yoke]

Ive even attacked crystals and bio flowers at some point

[rough root]

Poor crystals n bugs xD

[pulsar swift]

Same, I spent 20 min with a flower trying everything cause it was glitching out behind my dragon

[tall fossil]

Id like to be given another hint before he changes it

[pulsar swift]

A dumb person? You found one, I'm right here

[compact reef]

make it 2

[pliant yoke]

Make it 3

Also couldnt it be smth that is hidden in the map? Maybe pearls we have to collect?

[pulsar swift]

We think it'd be a client side spawn in that case and havent been able to prove it yet

[novel oak]

dont think pearls are in yet. im thinking as noone other than jao knows how its no location or anything, its in code like a easter egg. we are now playing ready player one quests

[pliant yoke]

Pearls are already in, check 1.0.0 patch notes

[novel oak]

ks and pt pearls yea, didnt think any others

[pliant yoke]

Didnt think but patch notes dont say there are only pt and ks pearls in

[regal oriole]

hidden elder pearl..... not in game yet cause he forgott xD

[rapid radish]

It has been confirmed a few times by the mods that the other pearls are not in yet 🙂

[pliant yoke]

Yea by the other pearls they most likely mean the ones that give buffs

[rapid radish]

yes, so only the pt and ks pearls are in

[pliant yoke]

You dont get it

[rapid radish]

Apparently not, I thought you were saying that no one said that the other pearls than ks and pt are in the game yet 🤷‍♀️

[tall fossil]

I thought you said ender pearl lmao

[balmy moss]

Has anyone tried bring all their dragons to one place and active in the server?

Active meaning physically present

[turbid copper]

That's not solo

[balmy moss]

Solo as in not needing another player

[turbid copper]

yeah

[balmy moss]

Sounds interesting give it a go!!

Risk vs reward

[turbid copper]

You get sick from mushrooms, and mushrooms are campable

[balmy moss]

I'll try it later when I get home

[turbid copper]

The process is not campable, why would you try it

[stray notch]

@native yacht you're the nerdest elder seeking guy i know, i hae an IMPORTANT question with IMPORTANT INFO
DID U TRY DRINKING FROM EVERY WATER SPOT??

the question is also for evceryone else, did yall try?

[turbid copper]

lol

[balmy moss]

1 theres alot of mushrooms scattered around the map. And they are all the same type now. And since the last system was mushrooms people tend to stay away from them

For instance I found another nesting area 550s 700w water hole bugs and mushrooms and that's right on the edge of the map.

[turbid copper]

No, if the process would have anything to do with mushrooms they will get camped again, and doesn't make sense to have anything to do with them cuz we had mushrooms and they were camped, that's why we got a different method

[balmy moss]

Ok do you have any theories? Cause all I see you do is shoot everyone else's down. Would like some help

[rapid radish]

the sickness thing and drinking from every water source have been tried

[balmy moss]

Ok ty isomasu

[turbid copper]

Bro what

i'm just saying my opinion

[balmy moss]

I'm asking do you have any theories I can test when I get home?

[turbid copper]

No i don't, cuz im not playing

[balmy moss]

Ah ok

You don't need to play to have theories. If you come up with any let me know. I'll be happy to test them.

no

[rapid radish]

Not sure if anyone tried visiting every elder tree yet? 🤔

[turbid copper]

I don't even try to think of one, im just waiting

[balmy moss]

I'm just asking for some positive feedback

[turbid copper]

Where did i sent negative feedback?

[rapid radish]

Do we know what class is Blitz?

[turbid copper]

3 i think

[balmy moss]

I worded that poorly

[turbid copper]

cuz it's smaller than ss

[rapid radish]

it can for sure, I'm just thinking what tick will it have, bc apparently same class = same tick

[turbid copper]

Yeah probably

[rapid radish]

just going off from FS and IR being the same class and having same ticks

[balmy moss]

Ir .9 ss 1.3 to 1.2 other than that I don't the rest

[rapid radish]

they are all in the doc 😄

[balmy moss]

I cant read

[rapid radish]

I don't know what pattern asd has with the ticks yet, bc I don't have enough data, but I know the rest 🙂

[balmy moss]

It is interesting the tics vary in a systematic way

[normal ledge]

ASD is 2.1

[rapid radish]

not always

[normal ledge]

I've been growing mine with daily ticks and it's been 2.1 every time for me

[rapid radish]

The ticks I have been given tell otherwise, can you send me your ticks? 🙂

[normal ledge]

I've always had consistent ticks of the same amount with each dragon, 0.9 for IR and FSS, 1.3 for SS and 2.1 for ASD

[balmy moss]

For passive elder tick could that be based on bloodline quality?

[rapid radish]

Interesting, bc all the other data I have suggests these patterns 🙂

[normal ledge]

I always calculate it before passive tick just in case it's more for any reason and I can backtrack what I did lol. My bloodline is e on all the dragons, don't think that would ake a difference though

[next flint]

Still no news?

[rapid radish]

I agree that BQ quality has nothing to do with the amount. 🤔 But weird that you would get always the same and other don't 🤔 asd ticks I have been given are 2.1-4.2-6.2-8.3-1.3-12.5%, yours is 2.1-4.2-6.3-8.4-10.5-12.6%?

[balmy moss]

Nope

Now, theorizing. How would a new system slow people from reaching elder too fast?

Ignoring the unlock step

[normal ledge]

Tried this for ya, doesn't seem to do anything

[balmy moss]

Ty sand

[rough root]

Very much so

[faint tendon]

I remember seeing some people calculate that the passive ticks are more detailed than single digit decimals, hence the 'jumps' in the sequence as the numbers accumulate.

Here it was.. #1209681807746801724 message

[tall fossil]

Also what if to unlock the elder you need to do something as adult and then kill it and the new hatchie will have the active elder unlocked

(Praying its not growing to elder)

[covert stag]

Just had a thought stupid thought to he honest but never know. Has Jao showed any 5 digit numbers? Wondering if using call signs 1-5 in a specific order might do something.

[rapid belfry]

You mean like unalive yourself with certain elder tick amount?

[rapid belfry]

Bo

No

He hasn’t

[tall fossil]

Yeah like not growing to full elder but just being adult and getting the first tick?

And ofcourse doing the thing that unlocks the elder

My theory is just being very hopefull that some of us already have the active method unlocked but we dont know cuz we need to kill our adult and grow a new one to find out

[balmy moss]

Makes sense.

I'll start doing that with my ss. I'm at 5% right now

[minor hinge]

But why would need to kill off a elder.Just to get elder ?

My high is asd at 89.6% whit 3

Then my fs at 34.7% whit 1 in dom

So what ever the first step is idk what it can be

[pliant yoke]

we have already tried everything ngl

[covert stag]

Just keeps coming back to that passive tic. Apparently no one has done it yet. Probably because latest version hasn't been out long enough on Official Servers. Just guessing mind you.

[pliant yoke]

there already are some elders that got it from passive ticks

[covert stag]

ASD's?

[pliant yoke]

yes

[covert stag]

And definitely on Official servers right?

[pliant yoke]

yes

[covert stag]

Has anyone tried the ol Konami Code? Because I give up lol

[pliant yoke]

whats that?

[covert stag]

up up down down left right left right select start

[dense current]

I did yes LOL

[covert stag]

Oh wait was it A B start? Been a while

[dense current]

did nothing

[pliant yoke]

we tried everything already.

[covert stag]

Well we obviously haven't tried EVERYTHING otherwise it would have been solved 😆

[pliant yoke]

yes what i meant was, we tried everything we could imagine

[covert stag]

Right that's it I'm hitting the hardcore narcotics and allow my mind to break through the 11th wall 😵‍💫

[covert stag]

Wait where did you try the code?

Oh and you sure you used the NES controller?

[dense current]

I dont think eldering would require an nes controller

That imo is a really dumb decision

[devout anvil]

pretty sure they're joking

i'm convinced it doesn't exist, Jao "changing and revealing" it is just him actually adding it

[turbid copper]

I don't think so

[rustic jungle]

Throwing this into the mix too: Whatever the eldering is, the ASD has to be able to do it too.
I ran around on the map last night and tried going super far with wasting stamina (getting the negative stamina to see how far that would go, which is only to half) and sleep that off. Eat the mushrooms to get sickness though yeah, shrooms would be campable.
Not finding anything at ground level so far with smelling either as ASD :/
I would also assume that it's nothing to do with any of the ponds either since most dragons can't dive, and vice versa with flying above the clouds again since drakes can't do that either. Unless it happens to be unique per dragon. Then I'd have to change that way of thinking and try and find things that each dragon would do in the game as their own "end game".

[devout anvil]

with how jao is rn, i wouldn't be shocked

[turbid copper]

Yeah, i don't see why he would lie about an endgame feature, when they already get negative feedback, that would attract more negativity

[devout anvil]

They like to lie, so why doubt at this point?

[turbid copper]

Like to lie?

[devout anvil]

Oh yeah, dude

and they don't care about the average player

unless you pay for Patreon

[rough root]

Man's working hard to ensure all the bugs and optimizations are getting fixed.

[turbid copper]

Still doesn't make sense to me to lie about an endgame mechanic

[devout anvil]

to keep us pre-occupied while he still recovers from 1.0's wet fart

that's also why nesting is a whole lot harder

[turbid copper]

Source?

[devout anvil]

optimization is still pretty poor, and bugs that have been there since beta release still exist in 1.0

kinda wild huh

[rough root]

I very highly doubt he's going to outright lie. Are there things he might forget? Probably. The amount of hours he's working can stress anyone out. People will never be satisfied unless it's 200% perfect, which it never will be.

And I mena. Lots of bugs and stuff still exist, yeah. Those are being worked on.

[devout anvil]

typical words from a patreon member

all we want is what we were promised

and yes, i say promised

[rough root]

I'd rather they be worked on and released one at a time than having to wait ages for all of them to get out at once.

[devout anvil]

because Jao also likes to throw out "promise" a lot

[chrome yarrow]

is this the place for this discussion?

[rough root]

And no, it is not.

[devout anvil]

Alright

Anyway

[rough root]

This is about the Elder System, and I very highly doubt he'd lie thusly... My mind is still going to focus on solving it.

[devout anvil]

I don't think the second method exists, and I'm pretty sure he's just gonna add it in with 1.0.1

cause he expressly said he'd "change it" when he reveals it
why change it if you know it doens't exist in the first place?

[rough root]

Well, that's your opinion and you're perfectly valid in having it. Doesn't mean the rest in here won't continue the search 🙏

[devout anvil]

never said you guys couldn't

just don't hold your breath lmfao

[rough root]

Don't think any of us are with all we have tested. But the new confirmations certainly helped.

Means we can rule out a lot more than we previously could.

[devout anvil]

what confirmations ?

[rough root]

Look in the docs dear, always updating them.

[chrome yarrow]

its not pvp or nesting related and its soloable

[devout anvil]

don't call me that, please lmao

it's kinda weird

also idk what doc you mean

[rough root]

Oh hun I will continue

[chrome yarrow]

its pinned in here

[rough root]

:>

[devout anvil]

I asked you nicely to not

[rough root]

I didn't, mwhuahahh.

Anyway yes, it's pinned.

[devout anvil]

oooooooooooooookay

[turbid copper]

I don't see why he would give multiple hints about it if it's not in lol

[devout anvil]

to mess with us

[rough root]

Reminds me: Casual day to day "You are allowed to ping me if you test something, find something, or whichwhatever."

So I can add it to the docs, otherwise Iso can also add things.

(Or you can make a change as a comment)

[chrome yarrow]

so, little idea ive been cooking with lately. Unreal 5 has a feature called audio synesthesia that allows object to react to sound. Everyone talking about the music triggers earlier made me wonder if there might be something on the map that reacts to sound or music. Its pretty far fetched but who knows!

[devout anvil]

I don't really see any confirmations besides what we already know

• it's non campable
• it's end game
• redacted

[devout anvil]

What kind if sound though?

i broadcast quite a lot ngl

[chrome yarrow]

theres a music trigger if you fly above the clouds or climb the mountain as asd

or it could be an emote sound i dont know im just spit balling

[devout anvil]

Yee ik about the music trigger

i think that's just height based

if asd can also get it somehow LOL

I feel like i've flown literally everywhere and roared/blasted everything

[chrome yarrow]

right...so since it doesnt rule out asd entirely ive just been playing around with it

[devout anvil]

maybee

[rough root]

There do be two music triggers (First Flight is the one flying triggers, yes that's the name of the soundtrack)

Then there's the hatching one. But... dunno about others.

[chrome yarrow]

but since its not nesting related i dont think it can be the little dragonlings music trak

[devout anvil]

DOD has a whole sound track but only uses like 3 songs in game

main menu, hatching music, and first flight

[rough root]

Some folk have claimed to hear music in different areas. But who knows.

[devout anvil]

I haven't,,,

[chrome yarrow]

if its music at all. If it even exists in game. I am truely so far beyond the line of logic right now...and accelerating

[devout anvil]

as far as i've heard

[rough root]

I also can't find the daaaarn info about the scent lines update.

Should have saved it immediately but I was at work.

[devout anvil]

Nothing changed about scent except that dragon blood was changed to orange

and it's for sure dragon blood

[rough root]

There was a note either on the testing server discord or patreon wherein the different scents were outlined with text of what they 'were' - one was 'clues'

But I can't FIND IT.

[devout anvil]

That was a very old update

like uh

alpha update

i think it was just a mistype

[rough root]

It was in one old update yes, but also in a relatively recent one.

[devout anvil]

cause yellow is for nests

[chrome yarrow]

it could be a holdover from the elder mushroom scent lines

[rough root]

Could be.

[devout anvil]

whar

elder shrooms don't exist though

and

they had a green scent line

[chrome yarrow]

doesnt mean old code isnt still there

[devout anvil]

like red shrooms

[devout anvil]

how could that affect anything though?

[chrome yarrow]

all im saying is just because someone saw a bit of data about scentlines and clues doesnt mean its actually implemented in the game...it could be old data and the name of that particular color has changed since i dont know. ive sniffed many many places and never seen anything out of the ordinary

[rough root]

Green is still here for the shrooms yes.

[devout anvil]

the clues thing was in a patchnote when scent was first introduced

i think 'clues' just sort of meant nests

[chrome yarrow]

isnt that my point?

[devout anvil]

Idk, your wording is kinda weird, I didn't really understand

but, i don't think anything changed

[pliant yoke]

ngl

i feel like rhino lied when he said active eldring was in the game cus we already tried everything we could think of, but whyd rhino lie? he knows hed lose a lot of ppl because of that,
so rhino most likely didnt lie but its still way to hard to figure out the active way we can elder

there def must be smth we missed and/or never thought of.

[dense current]

There definitely is something we are missing but what that is is the question

[pliant yoke]

or smth we just didnt see..

or thought it wouldnt be elder related.

[lime viper]

I tried smashing every button on my keyboard to maybe find a hidden keybind xD

[tall fossil]

XD

well we didnt try killing off an elder but idk if someone will before the blitz

[compact reef]

aye great minds think alike, I tried writing different / commands to see if something would happen XD i tried /hibernate and others lol

[tall fossil]

Hahah i tried elder lmao

Also idk if its only me or am i doing something wrong but i dont get exhaustion, i tried loosing stamina by swimming flying and running as a ss but it wont get the exhausted bar, it only runs out of stam which i thought is weird

[rustic jungle]

LOL I tried /beawesome too to see if that would be some trigger too but it wasn't

On the music topic too: Been able to get the music to play while fast running past the Bio Island as ASD as well.

And yeah :/ I dont know if we can only get half of our stamina as exhausted or if it can get further than that but it never went further than half the total stamina for me 0:

[tall fossil]

I was able to get exhausted by 5 calling and it stopped at half

[tall fossil]

Wow this chat died

[proper patio]

Several folks have confirmed orange is dragon/player carcasses. I also tried it by having my main kill my alt and voila, so much orange!

[tall fossil]

I wanted to say that first step on the elder ladder is puting points in a specific branch but then jao wouldnt say he doesnt know if anyone made that step yet

[proper patio]

I anticipate he could track things with telemetry, but wouldn't be doing so outside official servers - hence him saying maybe (that's my theory anyway)

Also in general it's best not to speak in absolutes on the off chance you are wrong lol

Not saying he is or anything!

[slender arrow]

You know how bad it was we use have people elder Alabama baby’s

[astral fog]

wait, y'all still ain't found it? maybe i am onto something 👀

[novel oak]

why what are your thoughts?

[balmy moss]

Nope

[somber rover]

after lurking this chat for days im pretty convinced it isn't in the game rn ngl

[native yacht]

if there was an elder dragon npc...where would you put it?

[somber shuttle]

I'd cloak it and make it wander

[rapid belfry]

tell

[devout anvil]

I had a weird thought pop into my head

what if you had to roar just..a lot in one sitting

specifically 1 call

• acting like a dragon
• any species can do it
• non-campable
• not a location

[native yacht]

did that

even did it at the sky

at the moon

at the sun

at the clouds

at the trees

at the lake

[drowsy island]

It is, or at least elders themselves are.

He might be throwing us off with the bio thing since bio cant elder at all. Or did he give bio 7 points on adult to fix the fact that it cannot complete the first step to elder? Typical chicken or egg stuff.

If the first step is really an action that the bio cannot perform, without other dragons involved, then I suppose its either a bug or a shroom or other interactable. Perhaps a specific bug or shroom you need to find and kill/eat, maybe spawns only for you somewhere random on the server at a random time.
This would be unsoloable and uncampable (if implemented correctly). Could also be a specific amount of bugs/shrooms u should kill/eat but then I think people wouldve figured that out by now and everything would get camped to accelerate the process.

[native yacht]

at the ancient lake

i've notice some bugs in weird spots, tried 1calling at it. nothing. tried eating it and sniffing around to see if something might popped up. nothing

but the bug idea would make more sense tho, its ground level for ASDs

i wanna assume some ground level interactable might be around the map

[somber rover]

If it was some kind of special bug or shroom it would stick out and someone definitely would have noticed it by now i know passive eldering is in the game im talking about active eldering

[native yacht]

but the thing is, there would be a system in finding that interactable instead of just wondering aimlessly

[drowsy island]

I suppose, maybe there is a way to find it consistently, but we just havent found it yet and so we dont know how to find it at all.

[native yacht]

we also dont know what we are trying to find

shoot it could be a tree for all i know

[drowsy island]

Has someone managed to skim the game files for all the models in game?

if there is still an elder shroom model in 1.0 it would have to be related to eldering

[native yacht]

i dont think thats a good idea, integrity wise. I dont want it to go down in history that we had to resort to that matter

[drowsy island]

The thing I cant wrap my head around is

If he designed the system well

then it should still be a cool and engaging system when we know how it works

if knowing how it works ruins the system then its still a bad system

and I dont mean down to raw code, but just gameplay-wise you should still face some challenge even when you know the rules

[native yacht]

I had something pop up but it wouldnt work since eldering can be done at anytime of the day...but I did notice a red dot in the sky at night..I searched around an no other stars were red.. idk if thats something. but the stars dont move so not it id suppose

wait a minute...eldering can be done at anytime of the day but the method to finding it ..

lemme investigate this red dot

[drowsy island]

did he say that it can be done at all times?

[native yacht]

yes

his words directly

i just cant find the screenshot

brb

[somber shuttle]

The only things Bios cant do is do damage and eat shrooms right? (or elder, but I will not accept passive eldering as an answer) But Im not missing anything else with that right? Ive been doing nothing but killing bugs for the last couple of days to see if it was a cumulative damage amount or kill count, and Ive gotten myself to 100% mushroom sickness and went to different caves, still nothing

[drowsy island]

Maybe u can only see the clue while high on shrooms

[heavy ridge]

Technically they can't carry their food source either, but yeah, that's it

[drowsy island]

Maybe offer a bug to some altar

but that would be too easy

perhaps

since bio cant elder passively

the active way to grow elder could only unlock after dying a passively grown elder

[somber shuttle]

People are currently working on that theory. But if growing a passive elder to active elder is the way to do it then it the worst system in game history. Logging once every 12 hours for months is not good gameplay

[drowsy island]

Good luck to the poor soul who tests this btw

[somber shuttle]

There are a couple people working on it. Theyre going to sacrifice their elder once they reach it. Hopefully we figure out the method before they go through that for nothing

[drowsy island]

Can this be tested by elder command on a private server and then kill it and spawn a new one?

maybe different ways of killing it

bug, shroom overdose

[heavy ridge]

if there is an elder command, using commands usually breaks growth systems. There was a while there where command grown dragons couldn't nest.

[drowsy island]

Ive seen elders on private 1.0 servers day one, so there is a command.

Or a database edit idk dont have a server myself.

[maiden island]

it does it for mela as well, you can't use a grow command to gain it. But if you use the command to get elder then it probably jsut doesn't give you the first step if you somehwo get it 🤷

[drowsy island]

Could be.

[maiden island]

my egnlish is dying, goodbye

[drowsy island]

Its been a month since 1.0 dropped, so the first asd elders should arrive soon

I assume some have been crazy enough to log in every day for a month on the same drag

[minor hinge]

i get there

[drowsy island]

damn

[minor hinge]

That for Day 1

[drowsy island]

You know what to do once u get it

[minor hinge]

no

[drowsy island]

https://tenor.com/view/reactions-christmas-lol-movies-gif-3477288

[minor hinge]

that just form all elder tick

[drowsy island]

for science

[minor hinge]

It all not nest in So it bl E

[drowsy island]

even less reason to keep it alive

[maiden island]

you'd be surprised how many "trash" elders there were from legacy so i wouldn't be surprised if clans/groups made throw away elders 🤔 specially if it just happens to live for a while lol

[drowsy island]

eldering in legacy was more of a hobby than anything else

[maiden island]

could get a full elder within 3 days or less if you rake in the hours so thats fair lol

[drowsy island]

I eldered an fs and didnt use it til the wipe happened

[minor hinge]

But how iam stats are nofen on pve server there nofen there to kill us YET

[maiden island]

lost my first elder within an hour of getting it cause i was falling asleep at my computer lmao, did many much stupid stuff up to it getting murdered cause i was exhaughted

[drowsy island]

death by shroom and death by bug

[minor hinge]

Well that true but still nofen Biger then Elder Power LOL

Right now i big as a SS Adult

And make the asd adult look juvi

[languid trout]

Wonder if it is “play for how many days” for a first step

[drowsy island]

A bio can do that

[hybrid wave]

Unsure if someone did this or not, I looked on the doc and didn’t see this exact idea pop up, but what if you simply just have to eat a bunch of the big bugs in a row to grow. They’re rare, it would be grindy to kill bugs and wait for one to spawn bc of how rare they are, and it kind of falls in line with the “become what you seek so you can seek what you want to become.”
Ex. you possibly become elder, and then you seek the thing you want to become (seek big bugs because you want to be bigger)

[dawn lodge]

yeah was also thinking it might be something with eating bugs

has anyone tried getting a high bug eaten count?

[hybrid wave]

I don’t think it’s just eating any bugs, people did try that

[dawn lodge]

figures

[tardy perch]

I will laugh if it ends up being you grow a dragon to elder via passives and you unlocks the other method just by doing that per species. You wouldn't know though unless you got to elder and then let it die and grow a new adult of the species. (I plan to try this btw. at 60% growth)

[hybrid wave]

Tried to see how many hints this theory of passive eldering, then eating specifically the big bugs in a row fit into:

Bio’s cannot kill bugs, but all the others can ✅
“If you want to elder then you must REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED (Eat Big Bugs)” ✅
“then obviously you must go to [BUG SPAWNS] to get [BIG BUGS]”
Campable? There are so many bug spawns that it might be hard to camp ALL spots. They’re on every map, in every mode as well.
Grindy and solo-able ✅ during my bug color-testing, I only got a couple big bugs to spawn, maybe 2 out of 30.
Become what you seek (Passive Elder) to seek what you wish to become (You want to become bigger and stronger. Big bugs are bigger and stronger.) ✅
Hard to figure out? I suppose, even PVE players don’t get lucky enough to HAPPEN to eat a streak of big bugs. I can see gorging on the finest of meals being more “dragony” compared to eating mushrooms, and even more difficult to test if people happen to do that, just without realizing you need to elder first, which takes a long time (in regards to how many days you have to wait)

[hybrid wave]

yeah 😭 I’m debating not upstatting anymore dragons until I reach elder on my ASD, growing a new ASD to test it, and then if it does work I’ll test in on the other dragons, to see if it still works on them

[tardy perch]

I just hit 58% to elder, so I should reach it myself in a few days. I'm pretty sure all the people who've gotten elder with just passives ticks haven't actually tried to let their elder die. Becuase well...why would anyone wanna lose their elder. That makes me think we haven't found it because no one wants to kill their elder XD

[hybrid wave]

100% !

[languid trout]

This seems possible. It could also fit the criteria and the fill in the blanks

[tardy perch]

We won't know until players reach elder and are willing to let it die. So far I'm the only one (maybe?) who's publically said they will try and do this for the sake of science. But that means if no one else wants to try and test it with me, you all have to wait till I hit elder. Which will still be a few days

[hybrid wave]

I will sacrifice my elders for the cause 🫡

my ASD is at just about 20%, and my other dragons just above 10%

[tardy perch]

Haha nice. I'll reach elder before you do though, so you might not need to do it. But we'll see. It'll depend entirely on if reaching elder once is the only requirement. For all we know ther emight be a little more you'd need to do once you hit elder, but before you let it die. Maybe needing to find something only elders can see...

[pliant yoke]

just figured out this game has big bugs.

where and how do they spawn

[hybrid wave]

it’s just a small chance, and they spawn in the same spots regular bugs do, but they’re not MASSIVE so it’s kinda easy to just kill one, eat it, and move on without realizing. They do offer more food tho, adult SS eat them in two bites while ASD is 3 I think

I might have a picture on my laptop for reference, but if I don’t I can try to find another rn

[tardy perch]

I could make sure that I try and find one of these bugs and consume it before I let my elder die.

But then that'll me if I die and I DO discover something...someone else will have to get to elder, and NOT do anything with the bugs. Just to see if it was just the process of hitting elder, or hitting elder AND eating the bugs. I was planning on doing nothing by immediately dieing, cuz then if I DO find something after it dies, I'll know EXACTLY what the first step is

[pliant yoke]

tbf i think it is a method u can change easily and that isnt too complicated but still takes time

so it might be the big bugs, why else would there be bigger bugs in the game

[tardy perch]

Only other reason would just to have a variety if sizes for the A.I. To help it be more realistic that you are living in a natural environment. The devs also plan for other A.I to have variants in size too

[compact reef]

I honestly don't believe it's kill your elder because that's suppose to be how yo u lock elementals I thought when they come out so would make more since that there is other methods that you do to reach elder so you can sacrifice for elementals

[hybrid wave]

Killing your elder would be more of a byproduct of this process I think, it would more so be focused on the game detecting that you REACHED elder! 😄 the only way you’d be able to elder another dragon, is to have a dragon available to elder in the first place

[steady rock]

If I remember correctly Zemper said they Will sacrifice their Elder when they get it

[pliant yoke]

btw arent bug spots campable?

[hybrid wave]

In short, reaching elder: unlock active eldering, killing your elder: unlocking elemental. It’s still worth a try at least imo

[quaint arrow]

Compiled hints so far

[pliant yoke]

its def not eating big bugs

[quaint arrow]

XD

[hybrid wave]

yeah but there are so many that people would need to camp basically the entire map, but yes that is something that made me less convinced that bugs were in the process

[quaint arrow]

Question. Is the snow cave still in the 1.0 mountains?

[pliant yoke]

He also said he thinks noone has done it yet

But there are so many ppl atleast ten have done that already

[steady rock]

Can't be done by a bio, that's only 2 things: getting to Elder stage or attacking things

[hybrid wave]

what I mean is specifically eating a bunch in a row, not just one big bug here and there lol

it’s at least worth trying if nobody else has tried it yet

[pliant yoke]

But again.. he said it isnt campable

[steady rock]

With the amount of bugs on the map you would starve before another big one spawns XD

[quaint arrow]

Could it perhaps have to deal with the big bug? Maybe killing and sacrificing it to something?

[pliant yoke]

Thought so too but bug spots are campable

[quaint arrow]

True, but that is to unlock the eldering process. And bios surely cant kill bugs

[pliant yoke]

Bios cant deal dmg at all

[quaint arrow]

Yeh XD

[maiden island]

it's not related to pvp/nesting either, keep that in mind ^^

[quaint arrow]

I aint sure though. I'm just throwin stuff out there

[pliant yoke]

But biting or attacking smth thats on the map would make it campable

.

[hybrid wave]

I'm going to to test to see how often big bugs spawn out of curiosity, I'm not convinced this is the way, it's just another theory to add onto the pile

[quaint arrow]

True, but it is also sumn that the bio cant do. Only things bio really cant do is bite, eat meat, cant eat shrooms

[pliant yoke]

Well it isnt pvp related but would be attacking/biting smth, that isnt an other player, pvp?

But again smth on the map would be campable

[hybrid wave]

Player vs Enviroment, bugs are part of the environment technically

[pliant yoke]

Bug spots are campable

[quaint arrow]

It's also in 1.0 lowspec... I can rummage around lowspec and see if big buggiez spawn

[hybrid wave]

I hear you lol, they're at least common enough that you can still feed entire clans in an area

[quaint arrow]

If not then we have our answer XD

[hybrid wave]

ty!

[quaint arrow]

Ofc ofc ^~^

[pliant yoke]

If its smth on the map.. what on the map isnt campable.

If it has nth to do w bugs and is on the map

[quaint arrow]

I think he means that the actual eldering process isnt something that can be campable

[compact berry]

I have my doubts its map related unless it's something that randomly spawns around the map considering we will have more than the one map and also there will be player made mod maps in the future

also players have scouted the map a LOT so if there was something theyd have found it already

[pliant yoke]

Yea thought so too, but if it isnt map related wouldnt it be more likely passive eldering?

[round prism]

thats what im thinking as well

[pliant yoke]

I rlly hope it isnt like 'grow one dragon to elder by passive ticks and it unlocks for that species or for ur other dragons'

Well he does want it to be the endgame

But wouldnt that make it passive eldering?

but if it isnt map related bio would be able to do it

help me out here guys

also they said yellow lines lead to clues

so it needs to be map related

and what does every map have? water

and ai / food

[quaint arrow]

That's so confusing cuz yellow also means nests xd

[pliant yoke]

not only nests

yellow means nests and clues

[dawn lodge]

yeah I also doubt it's map related since then it'd most likely be campable no?

[pliant yoke]

ok but if isnt map related bio would be able to do it

also they said yellow lines mean clues

so it must be map related right?

must be smth multiple ppl are able to do at once

[dawn lodge]

how so? I'm thinking if it IS map related then bios would be able to do it unless you need to bite the map related thing

[dawn lodge]

it's confirmed to be soloable

oh nvm

[pliant yoke]

bios cant attack / deal dmg etc

[dawn lodge]

exactly

[pliant yoke]

it must be map related

[dawn lodge]

what map related thing are you thinking bios can't do that others can?

it's an interesting thought

[pliant yoke]

cus:
yellow lines mean clues
otherwise itd be passive eldering
otherwise bios would be able to do it

[pliant yoke]

i can only think of bugs / ai

but bug spots are campable

but it must be smth every map has since we will have more maps in the future and most likely even mod maps

and what is on every map? food/ai and water

but if it has smth to do w water bios would be able to do it and it cant be bugs because bug spots are campable

https://tenor.com/view/stitch-desperate-oh-no-no-gif-12501960

[harsh sky]

there are less bug spawns on the map than there were mushrooms in elder forest

iirc

[pliant yoke]

couldnt it be smth with bio flowers?

[dawn lodge]

very campable

[pliant yoke]

ah right

but maybe multiple ppl can do it at once?

but thatd mean u can do it nonstop probs and that makes no sense

what is on every map that isnt campable??

[dawn lodge]

we might be able to count bugs as non campable in the sense of players cant camp every bug spawn at once to prevent others from getting it

but idk

[pliant yoke]

but its def not eating bugs/big bugs because we tried that already

[dawn lodge]

has someone that reacher elder tried it?

[pliant yoke]

i think so, yes

what else is on every map except food/ai and water?

[robust crypt]

Imma try and test lorge bugs 👀 I got my two tics for the day, just ate one lorge bug, now carrying another while I search for a third before I f e a s t

[hybrid wave]

I have 7 hoarded rn lol

[robust crypt]

Amazing lol

[pliant yoke]

we

need

more

hints

[maiden island]

we don't need more hints, we need a better hint

but i can see why he's not being direct, if he gave a good hint ppl would probably figure it out immediately

[lime viper]

Its been a month, the player pop is dropping at this point give us a good hint so we can figure it out and get to eldering haha xD

[maiden island]

fair, specially since you gotta sacrifice an elder just to get an elemental

[pliant yoke]

how do we ask rhino for better hints

[compact berry]

Wait until he shows up

[pliant yoke]

that can take ages

[native yacht]

thinking... Jao said you can elder anytime of the day but..the method to eldering doesn't apply to that.. what if its an orb that spawns at a random point every 30min-anHr?

it has to be ground level where ASDs can reach

its client base..different for everyone

ive already tested the big bug theory. nothing

nope, scratch the stupid orb idea. im losing it.

[pliant yoke]

tbh that sounds the most logical

[native yacht]

if anything, the idea of the dragon you are playing as, theres an invisble NPC version of it somewhere on the map (for that player) and you have to find it and interact with it to activate the elder process. it might tell you what to look for and how to find it (the process).

[harsh sky]

so then someone is on a wild goose chase and would need it on happenstance? 😩

[robust crypt]

Although I have seen a random blue orb periodically (it disappears just as quickly as it appears, has always been in a different spot away from crystals and firefly spots), I have yet to acquire anything useful from said orbs

Still hoping to one day capture it on a recording, with no such luck so far

[native yacht]

i purely believe there's a system to finding said orb/elder_dragon_npc/object/thing/etc.. it cant just be luck. He did say we have the tools already to do so. i'd imagine sniffing

[native yacht]

do you know what you were doing when you saw the orb?

[steady rock]

I tried flying around the map and crying my lungs out ín hopes of finding anything, but not even a fart cloud appeared XD the only thing I didn't try is using heat vision, but that would be unfair to Other dragons

[pliant yoke]

i dont think they did that but thatd be so cool tbh

[robust crypt]

Most instances it popped up near a tree right as I killed a bug, although I also saw it once while sitting by a pond just growing an ASD from Juvie to Adult.

But yeah most instances have been when I was out bug hunting, and usually I'm in a forest when I do that, hence why it pops up near a tree (that and the light against a brown tree probably makes it easier to see)

[pliant yoke]

couldve just been a bug yk

[native yacht]

forest by river?

[robust crypt]

That's what I've been thinking

[robust crypt]

A couple of times in the redwoods near Arch (like between Arch and BR), the latest instance was maybe further South from River, and the one I saw when I was still a Juvie was near the hatchie pond that's closest to river

But yeah that's been my experience with seeing this "orb", it throws me off and I've always been too slow to hit the screenshot button before it disappears 😭 and last time I tried running right up to where it was and biting/seeing if there was an interact prompt with no success lol

[native yacht]

mmmmh i see, i wish someone else would have seen this orb at least..would be on to something.

[robust crypt]

Yeah...

[lime viper]

How big was the orb? Was it on the ground in the air, what texture did it had?

[robust crypt]

That's why I've been recording my gameplay anytime I hop on, in hopes of capturing it on video as I play

[robust crypt]

It kind of reminds me of the fireflies you see in certain caves, which always throws me off whenever I see one when I'm nowhere near a firefly spot and it's always been blue from what I recall

Like not very big, it appears in the air and then vanishes as quickly as it appeared

[novel oak]

i saw a blue flash, possibly orb, east of br, in the forest. right at side of me but didnt see anything since

[robust crypt]

Yeah that sounds like an apt description for it

[steady rock]

You sure it's not a Blue cristal shining through the trees? They can be seen from across the map even, I saw them (the yellow ones ) ín the Forest multiple times but there was Always a cristal cave far away ín like of light

[lime viper]

Miiiight me a visual bug since we have such glowy orbs ingame as decoration/light lol

[novel oak]

no it was more to the ground, saw it against grass

[native yacht]

Wolfy, what settings were you playing on when you saw it?

[steady rock]

What graphic settings do you have?

[robust crypt]

I've considered that, but one was to the side where there were no crystals in that direction

Before I had mostly normal graphics settings, but for the most recent sighting everything has been set to max

[novel oak]

i have all high with nanites low

[pliant yoke]

never saw an orb like that tbh

[robust crypt]

It seems a lot haven't, that's why I've been recording my gameplay and hoping it pops up while I'm recording

[novel oak]

yea iv started that too, iv only seen the one. never seen any while flying around

[robust crypt]

Any blue "orbs" I see while flying I always chalk up to lighting glitches since they always seem to line up with fireflies/crystals/bioluminescence

[pliant yoke]

we have to wait for rhino for better hints

[native yacht]

nah he's dropped a lot oh phrases and he's gonna only drop the same kind too. it think its time for a reveal

[robust crypt]

That, and the ones I see while flying look too much like what I'll see in other games with lighting glitches/reminds me of when I saw dots everywhere in one of my Assassin's Creed games

[novel oak]

flying high on halfway up snowymountain you can see coloured flashes all around

[robust crypt]

Yup

[novel oak]

much more faint than what was seen on the ground imo

[compact reef]

It's something buggy with the dragons while your flying it can make the map look like it has cuts through them or cracks

[native yacht]

you can see a blue line from mountain around

always thought that was weird

[minor hinge]

That if do get Elder would the line fit As Yoda once said, "Pass on what you have learned

[pliant yoke]

we need better hints or a reveal

[minor hinge]

Well it got be some that dargon do