New Elder System

[wide canopy]

Mate.

I tested it

Either ya games bugged or me n my friend are unique

And it wasnt just 6

Eating, drinking, 1 calling etc.

Not JUST distress calling since that a paid vanity emote

[fading canyon]

is it possible that when you and your friends tested it out, there was a carcass nearby that nobody noticed?

[wide canopy]

No carasses since we were growing

We wiped the bug population

Any “carass” or other players woulda been eaten

[fading canyon]

100% positive, cos orange has almost always been for dead bugs, carcasses and or something that has recently died

[wide canopy]

We tested it in other parts of the map too

Again, via deathmatch and such

[fading canyon]

It just doesnt make sense that it only works with that specific call, it could potentially be a bug as well

[wide canopy]

..bruh

I Just said

That it isnt JUST distress

[wide canopy]

..

[fading canyon]

Have some other ppl test it first as well

[wide canopy]

I’m fairly firm as I tested it various times

[fading canyon]

Not just you and your friends, im not saying youre lying, but until other ppl test it, It could be a bug in which case we need to report it in the testing server

If not then its a pretty cool find

[wide canopy]

It was me and a friend.

[fading canyon]

I know

Im saying have more ppl test it

not just you two lol

Again, if its not a bug its a pretty cool find, but if other ppl arent able to recreate it then it could just be a bug ^-^

[wide canopy]

Ah, yes orange scent bug.

Neat

[fading canyon]

I meant bug in the game homie

[wide canopy]

Bruv

Id be concerned if bugs need a special scent

[fading canyon]

I think youre misinterpreting what im saying

I mean a glitch, Like an actual bug, not an edible in game bug

Which is why i said we would need to report it if it is, If its not then cool find

Hence the whole having other ppl test it ^-^

[wide canopy]

Makin me have a stroke man

[robust crypt]

In my experience the orange scent lines have always just been dragon carcasses other people in my clan noticed this when I pointed it out to them while there was a carcass nearby

[wide canopy]

My experience there was no caresses around. I flew around the area alot too to make sure anything would be loaded

[fading canyon]

i dont think its that hard to understand, i apologize if i worded it wrong though

I do think a few other ppl should test it out though just in case it could help us with something

[robust crypt]

Always good to have a lot of testers for finds, a "control" if you will

[fading canyon]

^^^

[wide canopy]

Well gl testin

[wide canopy]

Ya worded it horribly, got me going through my iq 1 by 1

[fading canyon]

I dont think it was wording truthfully just a misunderstanding

You thought i was talking about an in game bug, when i was talking about an actual bug, like a glitch

[unborn wigeon]

What was the original clue given by the game dev? Is it pinned somewhere?

[robust crypt]

But yeah, for me orange shows specifically when there's dragon gore, but I'd be willing to test out sound as well.

And I mean distinctly orange, not the red that shows up with a dead bug or freshly dead dragon.

[fading canyon]

^^^

[fading canyon]

I dont think its pinned but it should be somewhere up in chat

[tardy perch]

I'm even more convinced that becoming an elder is the first key. Bio's can't elder

[wide canopy]

Ah, so we become ancients?

[wide canopy]

Eldering to elder.

Hm

[somber shuttle]

Its my least favorite theory lol

[tardy perch]

My guess right now is maybe because the few players who HAVE gotten elder haven't foudn naything odd yet, makes me beleive it's species locked, meaning you wouldn't know a difference until you grow a new adult of that species that eldered.

I'm the only one who's willing to off their elder though. If we had more people willing to die on their elder for science, we maybe would have found it by now

[wide canopy]

It’d be pretty stupid to kill off a perfect elder. And it’s really weird.

[tardy perch]

Well none of us are 'perfect elders'

[wide canopy]

Obviously if you cant fight. But still, it’s something else

[tardy perch]

I'm just growing an E spawn for the sake of science on a server I don't main.

[wide canopy]

Cant be “get a elder, sacrifice”

Jao said endgame and I think endgame is 18a.

Just cook up ya bloodline

[tardy perch]

End game is anything after adult in my opinion

[wide canopy]

So. Just adult.

Ancients exist in legacy I dont think ancients are in 1.0.

And elder growth is 100/100

So.

[tardy perch]

Ancients don't exist

[wide canopy]

Yesnt.

Killing a elder is pointless

[tardy perch]

Only NPC's were ancients

[wide canopy]

You’d gain nothing

[wide canopy]

Unless ya messed with code

[tardy perch]

I'd gain this other method of eldering

At the cost of what...getting elder once on each species? It's not that terrible

[wide canopy]

Mate, don’t waste a elder. It’s MOST LIKELY not it

[tardy perch]

I'm wasting an elder and you can't stop me!

[wide canopy]

-_- dont blame me for trying save you

[tardy perch]

lol dude it's a pixel dragon. You'll thank me later if this ends up being the method and only I was the one who was willing to do it for the sake of discovery for everyone

I'm losing like 4 minutes of my day for about 2 weeks-ish. I can live with that little a time wasted

[unborn wigeon]

Misread. My bad.

The only reason I can see you sacrificing an elder is for the elementals that will release. Only way to unlock Elemental is going to be to sacrifice an elder.

[tardy perch]

Jao did say that yeah. But I think unlocking a faster way to elder is worth growing one on each species. In my opinionanyway

[somber shuttle]

So were thinking passive an elder, to sacrifice an elder, to unlock elder, to grow an elder, to sacrifice an elder, to unlock elemental lmao

Its tedious, time consuming, and not challenging and rewarding like an actual active method would be. I just dont like the idea of passive growing to elder just to unlock the active method, i think its ridiculous and I reeeeally hope thats not the way, and i doubt it is. Worth testing of course, but thats one of the last things I would think it is. Its just not a good gameplay loop to keep the community active

[somber rover]

eldering in pve: level impossible

[tardy perch]

If you only gotta do it once per species per server, how is that all bad? It's a one and done sort of thing

And that's barring wha tthe actual unlocked method is

[rapid belfry]

its still alot of time in a video game

[tardy perch]

It really isn't

[rapid belfry]

55 days to passive isnt alot of time to you?

yeah ok

[tardy perch]

It's 4 minutes out of my day for a stretch of time

[rapid belfry]

suuuuuuuure you enjoy that

[somber shuttle]

It is, and it only encourages people to play for a handful of minutes a day. Theres no real grind to that theory other than waiting

[rapid belfry]

lol

[tardy perch]

Did I say I enjoyed it? My point was it's not a lot of time

[somber shuttle]

Its a ton of time XD

[rapid belfry]

yeah it doesn't encourage you to PLAY the game though and yes it IS a ton of time

[tardy perch]

4 minutes each day...sure

[somber rover]

i dont play with other people so finding a random elder who would let me kill them would be real fun

[rapid belfry]

yes but then theres the time you have to wait each day

[tardy perch]

No it doesn't encourage you to play, but it also isn't detering you from playing either

[rapid belfry]

it is STILL 55 DAYS

doesnt matter if ingame or nt

not

[acoustic berry]

I agree with Sinnoh

[somber shuttle]

Im sticking to passive eldering is not the first step. Its absurd

[rapid belfry]

its still a buttload of time

same

[tardy perch]

It's to elder though. Somethign that shouldn't be quick to get

[rapid belfry]

if it is i genuinely might just go play pve and quit pvp

[somber shuttle]

It shouldnt be quick, but it should be a challenging grind. Logging once a day is not a grind

[rapid belfry]

exactly its boring

[tardy perch]

It's a grind. It's just not challenging or engaging

[rapid belfry]

55 days of just logging on and sitting for 4 minutes for a tick? you call that fun?

[somber rover]

yeah its super boring

[tardy perch]

We still don't know if it IS the actual way. But I'm pretty srue it is wit hthe hints given for the first step

[somber shuttle]

And Jao said himself its cool. Logging once a day for months is not a cool method

[rapid belfry]

lol if it is i might just quit. every pvpers goal is to get to elder

thats endgame

[tardy perch]

We either try all our methods and see if this is it, or wait till Jao changes it

[harsh sky]

jao also mentioned no one got to the first step yet and we have confirmation we have passive ticked elders

[tardy perch]

He said he didn't think anyone did

But none of the elders were in chat when he was talking

[rapid belfry]

we would know if someone did. you really think the ones eldering would be quiet about it? they would want all the fame in figuring it out

[tardy perch]

I mean if the yare PVPers, yes they will NOt want their competition finding out lol

But I'm PvE and I don't care who knows

[rapid belfry]

theres elders on pve as well. im almost positive

[tardy perch]

I wanna help put people out of their misery XD

There are.

[rapid belfry]

no there is someone said they are a pve elder earlier today

[tardy perch]

Not many but we know of 2

[rapid belfry]

you really think they would keep quiet?

exactly. you KNOW them

they told you

[tardy perch]

They also refuse to off their elder

[rapid belfry]

they would tell you the method. cause who would it help hiding it in pve community

[tardy perch]

They claim they've foudn nothing odd

[rapid belfry]

mhm

also

[tardy perch]

But again, they haven't let their elder die. But I'm willing to do that

[rapid belfry]

why wouldn't they off the elder if they knew how to get back to it? another point of proof

im telling you right now. its not passive ticks as you are so convinced about

[tardy perch]

I'm still gonna do it

[rapid belfry]

sorry. im like. at the end of my rope with this. i just wish we would get a clearer single hint.

[tardy perch]

Don't take it out on me then

[rapid belfry]

not trying to , sorry

[tardy perch]

Jao's newest hint literally supports my guess either way

[rapid belfry]

wait

[tardy perch]

Bio's can't do the first step

[rapid belfry]

which one is the newest one

yes. because bios. cant. elder. lo

[tardy perch]

What can bio's not do? Elder

[rapid belfry]

exactly

[somber rover]

bios cant do most things

[tardy perch]

I suppose they can't do damage either

[somber shuttle]

Bios can not do the first step. The step could involve biting, carrying, or shooting something. One of the hints made it sound like something had to be brought somewhere

[tardy perch]

So it narrows it down. what are the list of things Bio's CAN'T do

They can't elder, or do damage. I mean they technically can spit on things, and they CAN carry their babies

[somber shuttle]

They cant carry bugs though, or kill them

[somber rover]

my guess is some kind of eldering "shrine" u have to bring something to ngl

[tardy perch]

Indeed

As muc has that makes sense, Jao said it's not campable, so that means it's not at a static location

[maiden island]

bio's can carry bugs

[tardy perch]

So if it IS location-based, it's a place that moves around a lot or will pop up randomly

[somber shuttle]

Ive tried with Bio and it said too heavy?

I may be mistaken

[tardy perch]

I haven't done it myself but I've also not needed to carry a bug yet

[maiden island]

there are different sizes, you probably tried to pick up the largest size

[somber shuttle]

Fair

[tardy perch]

So it's literally just eldering, or doing damage

I mean it could be kill x amount of A.I but...you KNOW people have done that by now

[rapid belfry]

Tbh i think the first hint with the redacteds was jao just messing around

I dont think it means anything genuinely

[tardy perch]

It's why I reeeally think it's eldering once first

[rapid belfry]

Nope

[tardy perch]

And the only way you can elder on a fresh server is via passives

[somber shuttle]

I genuinely dont think it would be that

[rapid belfry]

If it is im quitting

[tardy perch]

Okay? XD

[rapid belfry]

If its that simple

[tardy perch]

You could instead suggest changes

[rapid belfry]

No i mean like life

[tardy perch]

That's...extreme. Please don't do that =(

[rapid belfry]

Iit was a joke

Sorry

Tired and not wording right

[tardy perch]

Get some rest =(

[rapid belfry]

I just took my sleep meds 🙂 but ty!

[tardy perch]

Being tired is super sucky

[rapid belfry]

I get very odd when ive just taken them

[tardy perch]

Meds can do that yeah

Mine make me super chill ^^;;

[rapid belfry]

Well mine are mixed with other medicine i take so could be a combo effect tbh?

[tardy perch]

Could be

[rapid belfry]

But im making myself a vitamin drink before i sleep

Dude i accidently just overflowed a cup sitting under my fridges dispenser brb

[river rose]

I’m with you on this it makes a lot of sense (not that I like it at all). There have been a few people who have hit elder passively, what have they tried since then on their other dragons on the same server?

[tardy perch]

That's a question better said to the people who eldered. But they've been rather quiet lately

[rapid belfry]

I think we should contact and ask them

TRUE

[tardy perch]

I know what server one of them is on

[rapid belfry]

they have…

[tardy perch]

But like, I don't wanna be a pest about it lol. It's why I'm taking matters into my own hands

[rapid belfry]

Maybe its a secrecy thing? Like once you unlock it you are sworn to keep quiet till 1.01?

[tardy perch]

Really doubt it lol

[rapid belfry]

Hmmm

[proper patio]

I would believe Jao in the fact that he's quite positive no one has figured out the first step. Those kinds of things are easily tracked with telemetry. I am not too positive. Eldering vi passives are it and I hope not. But I am eager to hear how your offing goes lol

[tardy perch]

I'm growing a mela ASD on that same server since it's 2x growth. Fastest way I can possibly do it

[river rose]

Gl!

[tardy perch]

It's at uhhh...38%. I failed ot make the 2 ticks for a few days sadly ><

[proper patio]

It's hard when you have things like, well life lol

[rapid belfry]

Yeah they would know with telemetry

[tardy perch]

It's only hard because it's 12 hours

If it was 8, I could much more easily do it. But I like sleep so....it's hard for me to be up for 12 hours lol

And I highly doubt I'll be awake proper at like 3am today

[proper patio]

Would be cool if it was just the 2 ticks per 24 hours imo

[somber shuttle]

I work 12 hours a day so Im only able to log once I get home, Im not getting up at 5 am to log every day lol

[proper patio]

Like log in once every 24 and just get 2 🙂

[tardy perch]

Well if this is the method, or even fi it's not, we can always keep making suggstions. REally I think the only thing keeping Jao from trying stuff is time.

And well...SOMETHING about the method right now is making him want to change it. Maybe he too is starting to think it's a dumb method XD

[rapid belfry]

I- how are you even able to PLAY?

[somber shuttle]

I hate myself 🙂

[rapid belfry]

;-;

hugs

[somber shuttle]

❤️ I mainly play on my days off and evenings while I wind down from work

[rapid belfry]

Awe

[robust crypt]

Ulta, I too will be sacrificing my dragon when I get to Elder on it (ASD on a 2x server) so at least you won't be alone! I'm a bit further behind on my growing progress though 😅

[tardy perch]

The more the merrier!

[broken galleon]

could try killing a bug and taking it to the top of the mountain

[keen spire]

Who doesn't like the changed elder SS 3 call too?(

[rapid radish]

@chrome yarrow and @heavy ridge the quality of life is not a hint, it was a misunderstanding; Jao answered to a question about a hotfix/patch stuff in the middle of ppl asking hints to elder and ppl got confused.

I also would like to point out the wording on the bio hint; he said bio cannot complete the first step, which sounds to me that the first step itself is some kind of process 🤔

And yet again; orange scent lines are bleeding

[plush inlet]

My issue with any bug theories is that if the map expands with new biomes, they might not be available in those locations. Unless there's equivalent ai substitutes for them. o:

[rapid radish]

Well new ai is def coming and I think every biome will have food sources 🙂

[balmy moss]

I dreamed again about elder. I scared myself cause I thought I posted in here.

[robust crypt]

We all be having dreams about eldering at this point

Even I had a dream about eldering last night and I haven't even been as invested as y'all have been due to a busy schedule

I still remember it, too

[gray mango]

Has anyone checked the bottom of ponds/lakes?

Like what if you have to divebomb to the deepest part of a lake, or swim there with the asd

That's soloable and non campable I believe

Huff I haven't been too active in here I just read up every now and then and continue to try and work in my brain possibilities lol

[deft spruce]

i think ur dreams need to touch grass X)

can't blame u tho, ive had minecraft dreams T_T

[deft spruce]

also checked for underwater caves

[turbid copper]

Bro what if the first step is unlocking the 0 emote lol

[balmy moss]

Idk if you are joking but 0 emote hasn't be released yet. It's not in the game

[rapid radish]

it's not in the game yet wrench 🙂

[turbid copper]

yeah i was joking

[rapid radish]

oh, sorry it's too early for my brain to understand xD

[turbid copper]

it's fine

[sage cape]

trying to find the elder system is making me tired

[balmy moss]

I..I didn't sleep much.

Restless

[sage cape]

I’m convinced jao is pranking us

It’s just disheartening that it’s been a month and we’re no closer to a breakthrough

[sweet flicker]

Seems like Gremlin has poofed from the server?

Seemed like they kept track of progress here

[rapid radish]

Oh really 😮

Luckily they weren't the only one, check the pinned document ^^

[sweet flicker]

ahhh, nice, thanks

[balmy moss]

Ok im at work, but I have a new theory but I need more info on bio cause I haven't played it.

1. Do bio's do damage?
2. Can bios pick up bugs?

[turbid copper]

nope

[tame crest]

They can pick up bugs, if they're already dead.

I've used my bio to deliver pre-killed bugs to babies

[turbid copper]

oh yea

[slender arrow]

Why are you talking about the bio ?

[somber shuttle]

Because our last hint was “the bio cannot complete the first step”

[slender arrow]

Lmfao

[slender arrow]

So if that’s the case

[balmy moss]

Ty you cipher. Ok we are looking at non-campable and solo. So disregard bio cause even tho they can pick up bugs they can't do that without help. So as any other dragon kill a bug and take it away. Then what's dragony? Dragons are aggressive? How about food aggression? Take the bug away and to some calls over it. What's the challenge call and then there's the 1 call.

[slender arrow]

Then why are talking about the bio

[balmy moss]

Process of elimination rusty you know why rusty

[slender arrow]

Process of elimination = bio can’t elder there no need to talk about the bio it’s useless lol 😂

The bio isn’t the key to eldering

[balmy moss]

It's gonna take awhile to get to elder in the mean time we can think of other ways

[slender arrow]

If anything it’s out of the equation

[barren cave]

Because narrowing down what a bio can't do, we get a bit of a clearer picture of what to actually try 😛

[balmy moss]

You've been nothing but passive aggressive and a troll in this channel. I'm done talking

[slender arrow]

Because you guys take this man’s hints and do the opposite with it lol 😂

Bio can’t elder he says

Everyone here guys bio is the key

Like ???

[barren cave]

Coming from the guy who was so sure you had to fully passive elder to unlock the active method? Not sure your own judgemnent is any sharper than ours

[slender arrow]

I said the first step was to elder

He literally is telling us the first step

[barren cave]

Nobody is saying bio is the key, but figuring out exactly what they can't do will help the search. Who's missunderstanding words now?

[slender arrow]

If everyone has tried everything and nothing has happened that means getting to elder it’s the only way the after part is the millón dollar question

[barren cave]

First step can't be full elder... It would take too long for the timeline we originaly had to figure it out

[slender arrow]

He wants it to be long

[barren cave]

Aaaand ignored my point yet again

Have fun being a troll?

[slender arrow]

What timeline ?

[barren cave]

Im out

[turbid copper]

He literally said there's a first step that unlocks the method, how can it be just passives?

[slender arrow]

He literally said there first step right

He literally said the first step is to become what you seek

Now let’s use are heads kids

What are we seeking to become ?

[barren cave]

https://tenor.com/view/im-a-broken-record-here-jeremiah-burton-donut-media-i-keep-repeating-it-thats-what-ive-been-saying-gif-18835647

Felt this fits

[slender arrow]

No one cares about your time line that has nothing to do with his hints

[turbid copper]

The first step is not unlocking elder with passives first lol, it would take too much on the bigger dragons

[slender arrow]

How long did it take you to elder in legacy

[slender arrow]

I remember eldering in Legacy was like eating candy 🍭 we use to elder F baby’s for fun that’s how easy it was so he wants it so be long he dosnt want 70 elders flying around he wants it to be unique logically getting to elder passively makes sense

[slender arrow]

What does this mean?

[turbid copper]

That's after he said there's a first step

[barren cave]

But if you read what Wrench said just now, it means that full passive elder, isn't it. Because Jao would know someone did it

[slender arrow]

I know I’m saying what does it mean like what are trying to say by this ?

[turbid copper]

Some ppl already got elder with passives

[slender arrow]

He said he dosnt know lol

[somber shuttle]

They’re saying it’s not passive eldering

[turbid copper]

that's not the first step

[slender arrow]

It’s not like the people that reach elder dm him said hey man

[turbid copper]

No, but he would know i guess

[slender arrow]

How ?

[barren cave]

It's common knowledge at this point that people have reached it. If you choose to ignore that because it doesn't fit your narrative, that's on you

[somber shuttle]

Developers can track things like that.

[slender arrow]

There are 3 steps to eldering from what he said

[turbid copper]

And also this chat is literally public

[slender arrow]

I never said getting to elder was the way to elder

I said that getting there was the first logical step

[barren cave]

And you were very adamant about full passive elder was the first step 😉

[slender arrow]

Sure it’s 1 piece of the puzzle but if you wanna fly around on bio and fine the first step because you think bio is the key be my guess lmfao 😂

[barren cave]

This doesn't read like a theory, but a statement of fact

[slender arrow]

That reads like a troll you can tell by when I said “thank you come again “ lol 😂 kids these days

[barren cave]

Again.. Nobody is saying bio is the key 🙄 but narrowing down exactly what can't be done on a bio, but can be done on others, will help us find the method. (Note, this doesn't mean we think "Bio is the key")

[balmy moss]

Bio is a hint that's all it is. Guys he's just trying to take up your time. No matter how many times you explain it he's not listening. And this thread is going down hill. Agree to disagree

[slender arrow]

Okay go fly around on bio tell us what you fine

[balmy moss]

Rusty we are not saying reaching elder is not wrong. It sounds reasonable just not a perfect fit. In the mean time people are looking into that theory we might as well look into others that is all

[slender arrow]

Hey listen when the system is out and we all know I’ll be the first to come here and say I was wrong so go ham

[red musk]

I find passive eldering once to unlock active eldering to be the most likely theory atm.
I'm confused to why you guys feel so strongly that it's not the case?

[steady rock]

Because nobody found a proof to IT yet and ther are multiple players who already eldered

[turbid copper]

Because some people already got elder

[red musk]

Did they kill off their elder and hunt on stuff on the new adult?

[steady rock]

Would you do IT? In such an uncertain time

[balmy moss]

Zemper, I finding it doubtful, because rhino assumed we would have figured it out in two weeks roughly. And in order to prove that you need that passive elder unlocks is by doing it which roughly takes. What 27 days to reach 25% for ir? That's what I find unlikely. I think asd is the fastest but idk by how much

[red musk]

I would not, but that's what I think is the case :p

[turbid copper]

Yeah, that, and if the process is unlockable then they would have noticed something

[balmy moss]

It's just a time consuming task. Lol

[steady rock]

You can't ask someone to do something you're not willing to

[small sedge]

In my opinion, Jao's "first step, become that which you seek so that you can seek that which you wish to become" means you need to become an elder (passively) in order to find how to actively elder. Bios cannot elder, either passively or actively, which fits with bios not being able to complete the first step.

[rapid radish]

@woven isle @burnt sphinx are you open to killing off your elders to see if it unlocks the active method on the next asd? 😅

Ulta will do it once they reach elder in....many days xd

I would also do it, if I had one

[red musk]

I don't expect anyone to do it, I'm just saying what my current theory is

[balmy moss]

Draw straws

[next flint]

Could we restore the slain elder, and still trigger something.

[red musk]

I ment 100% elder. I'm not 100% with everything that has happened in this thread but where does him expecting people to find out within 2 weeks come from?

[red musk]

Depends on how hidden it is Imo

[steady rock]

Because he said if we don't figure IT out by Blitz he Will change IT and Blitz was supposed to release 2weeks after 1.0

[balmy moss]

So question when we kill bugs. What do we do with them. What if the new process isn't so different from elder mushrooms?

[turbid copper]

i don't think it's hidden if you unlock it, if you unlock it, you need to notice you did it

[small sedge]

You don't get a notif if you unlock mela tho

[balmy moss]

I also want to believe that's its a active process and not another passive that unlocks and stacks on the other passive tick.

[turbid copper]

No, but this is not mela unlocking, it's a mechanic

endgame mechanic

If you are supposed to unlock an endgame mechanic and you don't get anything that you unlocked it, how would you expect to find it?

[red musk]

I feel it depends on how its done

[small sedge]

I mean there's not even a beginner's tutorial, the game doesn't even tell you how to pick items up (right click + E isn't in game controls either) so...

imo it's not surprising if you don't find out that you unlock it

[turbid copper]

That's different tho

[small sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-is-it-though-thor-bruce-banner-gif-14242312

my point is, LOTS of stuff is missing or not implemented

it's not out of the realm of possibility that you don't get a message of YAY YOU ACTIVELY ELDERED with confetti, and I wouldn't expect anything obvious

[red musk]

Was this before or after he knew he wouldn't make the release date tho? And I'm not talking about what was said publicly.

[balmy moss]

I expect when you do something to get the tick it will say, "you feel stronger" like when you get the passive tick

[small sedge]

iirc several people have also noted that they had odd elder % increases (not from passives) without any sort of message

[red musk]

I highly doubt you won't get a message saying something whenever you do the active eldering thing

[balmy moss]

It is concerning tho

[slender arrow]

Think about the history of This game if you think that there’s gonna be something that lets you know you have unlock elder your gonna be waiting for a long time buddy lol 😂

[steady rock]

Before the erasure of release dates

[pulsar swift]

The SS growth % is like 1.26, meaning 1st growth rounds up to 1.3 and 2nd rounds down to 2.5 (2.52%)

[slender arrow]

Hey I wanted to ask you something you said 2 people reach elder ?

passively I mean

[turbid copper]

Bro, don't look at the past, this is a new system and it's coded, im sure there's a at least a message that appears when you unlock it

[rapid radish]

Have they been able to recreate these occurances? 🙂

[slender arrow]

When the pass system code was better than the current one. I’m gonna look at the pass.

[balmy moss]

Guys do you think the "first step" is a single objective or multiple prerequisites?

[pulsar swift]

Passively yes, 2 ASDs on 2x growth servers

[slender arrow]

That’s why they can’t fine anything

[small sedge]

They're not sure what caused them is the problem 🤣 one noticed it after flying around. They're in this thread, or at least they were

[pulsar swift]

I think the first step would be the first step of a multi-step process

[red musk]

2x growth xd

[slender arrow]

They are on a 2x server

[rapid radish]

It sounded like a process to me, bc the "bio cannot complete it 🤔

[slender arrow]

So that just destroys the whole argument

[pulsar swift]

I do not see why 2x growth would disable active eldering if its actually in the game

Unless growth itself was disabled

[slender arrow]

Bro

[red musk]

Unlocking melanistic had to be done without cheating, I assume unlocking active eldering will require the same

[slender arrow]

Someone with a brain 🧠 omg

[rapid radish]

I agree with Stone, it would be weird if that would affect to the unlocking 🤔 Hopefully Jao visits us once more and can confirm or deny that ^^

[slender arrow]

If he does can you ask him

[pulsar swift]

In that case it might cause a lot of negative feedback if eldering require you to passively elder all the way on an 1x growth server, and would also exclude a lot of servers/players this way

[rapid radish]

I will, if I happpen to be here at the same time 🙂

[small sedge]

I still just wish we had a full riddle to go off of

[slender arrow]

We do

[small sedge]

nnnno we don't lmao

[balmy moss]

Yea it would be hard to passive elder on pvp servers.

[small sedge]

we have the first step

[slender arrow]

Become that what you seek so you can seek that way you wish to become

[pulsar swift]

I dont think 2x growth is cheating if the whole server has 2x growth, it wouldnt be cheating when they all have the same starting point

[slender arrow]

That’s the riddle

[small sedge]

first step is not a full riddle my dude

[red musk]

Remember jeo calls admin commands for admin cheats

[small sedge]

it's 1 step
of multiple

[slender arrow]

Right

First step become elder

[balmy moss]

Steps on ladder lol

[pulsar swift]

Idk if 2x growth is an admin command or a server setting tho

[balmy moss]

Substitute ladder for shovel

[red musk]

It's a server setting

[pulsar swift]

Then I doubt its a cheat but thats my take

[red musk]

But you think someone like that won't think of 2x growth ect as a cheat?

It's not about what we think but what we think he thinks

[slender arrow]

I’m make a 10x server figure out eldering then come here and tell everybody

[summer arch]

Yeah you got to think as the dev of the game your playing not as you and me

[pulsar swift]

Well, admin commands can be used to give one specific player an unfair advantage which I agree is cheating. Giving all the same "advantage" nullifies the advantage, thus not cheating. I cant even begin to assume what Jao thinks, if I could I bet I could figure out the riddles

[slender arrow]

Bio is the key Toto you need to nestle on flowers in order for your FS to reach Elder

[summer arch]

Well compared to official servers

It is indeed a cheat

[pulsar swift]

True, but they cant use their 2x grown dragon on other servers

[summer arch]

It's not about using it on other servers

[pulsar swift]

So why disable a core game mech just because the dragons grow twice as fast

[red musk]

Jeo has shown displeasure with how private servers has speed run showing off skins ect before, you think he wouldn't do stuff to prevent similar things from happening again?

[small sedge]

Anyone wanna see if they can unlock mela on a boosted growth server to see if it won't unlock? 🤔

[steady rock]

Imo server settings and admin commands are 2different thing, admin commands are cheating, server settings are...settings, and iirc 2x growth is a setting

[next flint]

@small sedge it does unlock, no issues.

[pulsar swift]

Hmm, thats news to me Zemper, in that case he may have disabled it on 2x/private servers but it still feels a bit far fetched for me

Guess we wait for the official server people to hit elder now

[summer arch]

Okay then it may be doable based on that

[slender arrow]

Mela doesn’t make you 1 shoot in adult dragon so unlocking that on boosted server it’s fine lmfao 🤣

[steady rock]

If it's disabled on 2x servers people Will riot and rightfully so, you can't punish the playerbase for an option you gave them

[red musk]

Il try to find the posts but it's a long time ago now

[next flint]

100%

[small sedge]

dude SS can already 1 or 2 shot adult dragons so idk why you think that matters

[slender arrow]

No because why do you need in elder system when you can reach elder on boosted server in 20 days

[slender arrow]

Lmfao what game are you playing

[pulsar swift]

But we can also loop back to the fact that Jao believed we could find the eldering method in 14 days previously. Why would he believe that unless reaching elder first wasnt a requirement? Cause you cant even grow ASDs to elder in 14d on 2x servers

[steady rock]

Because not everyone has the Time to login every 12 hour, I know I don't

[summer arch]

Figuring it out is different from achieving it

[small sedge]

the one where there are multiple suggestion threads about damage calibration 😄

[summer arch]

You can for exemple figure out that eldering passively is the first step

Doesn't mean you can achieve it just cause you figured it out

Figuring and achieving are two different words

[pulsar swift]

Achieving it also doesnt mean you've figured it out

God knows I've stumbled over weird solutions in many a game without being aware

[summer arch]

Exactly so that 14 days thing isn't a set in stone hint to rule out the passive elder

Is all I'm saying

[slender arrow]

You asked for someone to go on a boosted server to unlock melanistic to prove that if that can be unlocked on boosted server then finding the elder system can also be done . I was saying the 2 are different unlocking, Elder gives you godly powers, unlocking melanisti gives you nothing but a skin so if you unlock it on boosted server it proves nothing

[summer arch]

You can't use it unless he tells you yes you can do it under 14 days

[small sedge]

and I said dragons already get 1-2 shotted, you asked what game I was playing
pls keep track of your questions if you're going to argue?
#1212633994986782750 message

[slender arrow]

What adult ss 2 shots another adult

Tell me

[small sedge]

Bro I literally just gave u a link

[slender arrow]

No

[small sedge]

if you're too lazy to click it then that's on you 🤣

[slender arrow]

What adult ss 2 shots another adult

[pulsar swift]

C-statted SS in power should be able to

[slender arrow]

I play PVP so I know

[slender arrow]

Power is bile

[pulsar swift]

Anyway this isnt the damage balancing thread, go to the damage balancing thread if you wish to discuss damage

[balmy moss]

Give me 75 days to unlock full elder on ss by passive and we will see if that does anything

[tepid haven]

At what point on the free dragons plus acid get the first mutation point after adult? Is it a particular point in elder growth?

[balmy moss]

25%

[small sedge]

Sometimes the next tic afterwards since it rounds %s iirc

[tepid haven]

Think getting that first point could be step 1?

[sterile isle]

No bc Jao said no one has done the first step yet

[slender arrow]

I would tell you to read back but there Iike 488888 messages so no it’s not

[tepid haven]

Could it be part of step one?

[balmy moss]

And that hint would be redundant too if that was the case

[slender arrow]

First step is to grow a bio to adult and fly head first in to the biggest mountain, you can find

[rapid radish]

The doc has all the new hints and confirmations, if you guys need it ^^

[red musk]

He said he don't know if anyone has actually

[tepid haven]

Since full elder in 2 weeks is not possible, but is getting that first point possible in 2 weeks on any of the free dragons plus acid?

[summer arch]

You can't twist words yeah zemper is right

[slender arrow]

Key word “IF” as in he doesn’t know cuz he hasn’t looked cuz he doesn’t care

[pulsar swift]

Yes

[summer arch]

Like we mentionned above figuring something and achieving something are two different things

[sterile isle]

True but we have proof of ppl who have done it, even ones who have made it to elder passive

[rapid radish]

I made tables for eldering passively, it's in the end of the pinned doc ^^

[pulsar swift]

Getting an ASD to 21% would be possible in 5 days, so 6 days to 25%

[slender arrow]

Do you guys have screen shot of when he said that it would take 2 weeks ?

[pulsar swift]

We dont have any, he never said that either

[summer arch]

You can figure out how to be rich in a mmo in 2 days for exemple but taking one month to achieve it

[balmy moss]

Search his messages a month ago

[summer arch]

Unless he misused words we can't twist his

[pulsar swift]

But he said early on he would change eldering if nobody figured it out by Blitz release. A week later he posted the announcement about Blitz release being delayed, so to me it seemed he thought we could figure it out in the span between release and original blitz release date

Which was 13 days, not 14 if I remember right

[summer arch]

And remember whether it's passive elder or not

It's just the first step

Of a whole scheme to elder

[rapid radish]

Bc he said he would "change it" with blitz release if we didn't figure it out

[summer arch]

So he won't say yes you guys got it till we get all the steps

[balmy moss]

There's a bit of word twisting

But ya

[tepid haven]

Part of why I asked about timing of first point. It would give access to the 1 of the 3 big mutations like dominant, which grants a little bit of extra interactivity to the player depending on how points were spent.

[balmy moss]

Interesting how so?

[small sedge]

It's also possible that when he tested the method, he knew the method and didn't have to figure it out if it hinged on passively eldering first. His sense of time may be skewed in that sense.

[balmy moss]

Cause that was my theory, before nesting was debunked

[tepid haven]

Dominant allows one to see recessives for example. I never looked at the other 2 and at work so can’t check. Just braining

But I assume the big mutation would grant something a little extra to the player for each branch, but again can’t look to verify that

[balmy moss]

@rough root I'm at work can I have access to the doc for editable. I have a theory regarding dragon "behavior"

[sterile isle]

If you hover your mouse over the mutation it tells you what it gives you

[tepid haven]

Again, I am at work. i cannot check it

[pulsar swift]

think you tagged the wrong corvid @rough root is the guy

[summer arch]

Also forget nesting, method is solo able I think right?

[balmy moss]

Dom was recessive and highr chance crit for skin and passing dom skin. And acouple of things

Oh oops

[tepid haven]

He confirmed nesting and pvp are not part of it

Sadly

[summer arch]

Fast is basically faster bite, faster speed, better turn, lower speed before you hover

[rough root]

LADY thank-you-very-much but yes. It be me hello

[red musk]

My previous theory of having to eat an older elder to gain elder points

[summer arch]

Survival is less damage taken, less food and water required to fill up or less drain and all the crit stat boost at a small ratio

[balmy moss]

Ty stone lol

[summer arch]

Also fast increases your crit chance and evasion iirc

[balmy moss]

Sorry kroww for the ghost ping

[rough root]

I'm at werk! BUT you can add comments anywhere. I actually deleted the tables because noone used them 🤣

[balmy moss]

Ah ok ty

[rough root]

But for now, by all means, you should be able to write a comment, and I can then click "add" when I get home if you prefer 👍

[balmy moss]

Idk how to post comments on it. I'm at work

Mobile

[rough root]

If you'd like to edit things directly, I need more info. Particularly an email (That I can't add right now cus also phone and google docs on my phone gives me headaches)

[balmy moss]

Ah ok. I'll just wait til later

Gives me time to think it through

[tepid haven]

Isn’t it amusing how many of us look and chat in here while working? Best time to theory crafting is on company time XD

[balmy moss]

The theory that I'm working on if people have missed it is dragon behavior. Pertaining to bugs/food. Yes before you tear this theory apart you're worried about "uncampable". Well bugs you can carry the bodies away. You can also argue that dragons could be territorial and aggressive. So why not food aggression? Challenging calls, 1 call or any other call over the body. But that might not just be it. That's all I got for now.

This first step is supported by bio not being able to kill a bug by itself

[summer arch]

With some theories I like to think of its a possibility or not based on a coding perspective

[balmy moss]

All of what I just said can be soloed by any other dragon

[summer arch]

How hard is it to code the game to detect that you are indeed 3 calling on top of the bug etc, especially knowing that the ragdoll is a bit of an issue right now

[tepid haven]

Is the emote called “challenge” accessible to anyone who doesn’t pay for dlc?

Or patreon

I have not paid much attention to what the calls were named in control settings

[balmy moss]

Hmm idk. I know rage is behind patron for a fact

And laugh

[tepid haven]

And one of the aggressive ones was dlc pack

[balmy moss]

"No" is not in the game yet

[tepid haven]

So idk what the default aggressive one os called

[balmy moss]

But the key call which is 1 is open to everyone.

[summer arch]

It's aggressive call

The dlc one is called rage

Correct me if I'm wrong

Going based of memory here

[turbid copper]

yeah i agree

[tepid haven]

Thought rage was patreon?

[summer arch]

It's dlc

I know cause I bought the ir dlc and got it

[balmy moss]

Hmm now I'm doubting myself

[summer arch]

As far as I know the patreon emote is laugh and it's the 200 tier

[balmy moss]

Is anyone in-game to check controlls?

[tepid haven]

Anyone in game to look what default free aggressive call is called in controls?

[balmy moss]

I'll check patron real quick

[turbid copper]

The only agressive call for free is 2, there's one for patreon and the one in the dlc emote

[compact reef]

does everyone have atleast one 25% dragon on each none purchased dragon

or someone

[summer arch]

Where do you see the patreon aggressive :0

[turbid copper]

idk i think there's is one but not sure what

[tepid haven]

Smif went to look on patreon to get names for what are patreon exclusive

[summer arch]

Alrighty

[balmy moss]

I got lost and I need to get back to work

[tepid haven]

Basically my thought is if Smif’s theory is food aggression, the challenge emote might not be viable since elder has to be accessable to someone without dlc and without patreon and the naming is worth clarifying

[tepid haven]

No worries or rush!

[balmy moss]

I will say this process is not that much different than the elder mushrooms. That's why I'm leaning towards it.

[glad star]

it is

[balmy moss]

... another note.. how many bites does it take for a adult dragon to eat a bug whole?

[tepid haven]

Depends on species

Acid and ss sometimes is 1 sometimes 2 ir and fs seem to be 1 (assuming full adult)

[balmy moss]

Hmm ok. Too many variables with that. Was thinking making food last

Thinking about burning a whole week of vacation to get away from work and figure this out

[rough root]

Ikr (granted, I look on and off or I'll probably lose an arm or at least a finger lol)

[pulsar swift]

Currently on sick leave due to my back but I love getting paid to investigate obscure riddles unrelated to work

[summer arch]

What's the difference with the dlc rage?

[glad star]

the DLC one is called Challenge, it's just a different animation, rage is a bit more loud usually

[balmy moss]

Ah ty cynro

[summer arch]

Aaaaah okay thank you c:

[balmy moss]

Hmm

Carry bug away then find a random spot to land and lay on it?

Thoughts

[turbid copper]

Doesn't make sense

[balmy moss]

Dragons hoard?

[pulsar swift]

I think its sorta been tried

[balmy moss]

Ya

[pulsar swift]

Ref. the crystals

[balmy moss]

Ah yes the crystals

[pulsar swift]

People brought them bug sacrifices, wouldnt surprise me if they laid on them

Keep the crystal god's food warm or something

[balmy moss]

Yea.. 3 more hours and I'll be able to test them

Not the crystals

[rapid belfry]

What do you mean 3 more hours?

[cobalt kindle]

I was thinking about a bug sacrifice thing - but with that rock that looks like a dragon near old mushroom cave area haha

[rapid belfry]

Wait. Theres a rock that looks like a dragon? Coords please

“Seek what you wish to become”

Holy crap we might have just cracked that riddle

[cobalt kindle]

I'm not in game rn, it's near old asd mushroom cave

If you remember that location

[rapid belfry]

Idk where that is…

[novel oak]

near river?

[cobalt kindle]

Yah

[rapid belfry]

Ohhh that one

[novel oak]

a bit south from end pf river?

[red musk]

Sounds quite campable to me xd

[cobalt kindle]

I think so e.e I can hop in, in a few min to get coords
I'm actually at work rn hahaha

[slender arrow]

Your reading the hint wrong 😑 the hint isn’t “seek what you wish to become lol “

[balmy moss]

Til I'm out of work

Air drop bugs on it

[slender arrow]

Can you clip it when you go it please 🙏

[balmy moss]

Clip what? the theory im working on?

[slender arrow]

Yeah of you bringing Buggs to a rock 🪨

And laying on it

[novel oak]

ok i took a bug to the old asd mushroom cave, dropped it and it either was eaten by the cave or glitched through the floor

[summer arch]

Most likely glitched

The ragdoll is wilding out rn

[cobalt kindle]

373S x 48W is the rock I was talking about.

[balmy moss]

Repeat with also a 1 and 2 call, would you please?

Isit a cave or open rock formation. Rock formation we can just air drop but cave you have to go in which is no good

[woven isle]

@rapid radish not atm 😂

[rapid radish]

What have you been doing with your elder, seen anything different etc? 🙂

[burnt sphinx]

dropped a bug on it its perfectly fine sitting next to me

[balmy moss]

Ehat if it's bile usage. Deplete the bar fully a certain amount of times.

Does bio have a q

[woven isle]

No, but i also haven't been playing that much, been playing a bit but since it's the asd it takes a lot more time to move around the map

[balmy moss]

Can anyone 100% confirm this yes or no??

[balmy moss]

Hmm ok

[cobalt kindle]

The 'Q' key for bio is the glow on the body.

[balmy moss]

Ok

[novel oak]

i believe thats the cave

[woven isle]

Bio does have a Q but it's only the glow effect, bio can also not elder

[summer arch]

Tier 1 and 2 can't elder yeah

[novel oak]

it does have a little lip over the top of it

tried dropping bugs while doing a call, multiple calls, into the cave and nothing happened

[woven isle]

What's up regarding that spot? It's not really a cave, also that cave with the fireflies didn't do anything last time i entered it, haven't tried going back after i actually became elder though

[novel oak]

it was said about the old cave that had the asd mushroom, that i believe is the same one

[woven isle]

Well I don't see any cave on those pic's u dropped🤔

[vale mortar]

yes its in the same area of where old asd cave used to be

[novel oak]

yea these are the closest things to caves here. only other is the one at one of the waterfalls on river with a log over top but thats been tested out in past

[woven isle]

i see, i never did do any elder progress on legacy except some passive ticks

[wide canopy]

It isnt campable. So no.

That’s probably a WIP cave for future updates.

[balmy moss]

How fast are the day night cycles?

Need to sleep during the night or day?

Can do it anywhere. Just run the risk of someone finding you.

@rough root I'm gonna try this one as well.

[naive oxide]

any updates?

[balmy moss]

Depends were you here yesterday when rhino stopped by?

[naive oxide]

nope been about a week

[balmy moss]

Ok give me a minute at work

[naive oxide]

yee nw so am i lol

[naive oxide]

that’s awesome! tysm!

[balmy moss]

Np

[dawn pelican]

ok, while i do feel like thats a lotta info, it really isnt XD still no direction, just some things we can take off the list

[balmy moss]

It takes alot off the list but I understand

[red musk]

#spoilers-unlockables-endgame message
The main issue at the time was save editing but I still feel like the point stands

[balmy moss]

Don't need to worry about nesting or dragon corpses. Don't need to worry about other players, don't need to worry about stats.

[balmy moss]

Well I think he did a good job hiding it lol

[red musk]

Seems he has learned xd

[bleak python]

This channel has come full circle and is revisiting old tested ideas again :T

[balmy moss]

Also you don't need to worry about flying cause asd can't do that

It be like that ruu

[rapid belfry]

my point exactly

[red musk]

Insert asd with dreams meme

[balmy moss]

Asd got me warned. Me no like the doggo

[dawn pelican]

i mean he literally said himselve that he doesnt think anyone has found the first step yet, so we are still at 0 ._. everythign weve done so far was wrong, or we didnt notice we took the first step

[bleak python]

I got yeeted from above the clouds yesterday as an ASD. Has nothing to do with flying. I promptly landed on the ground with a squeal.

[balmy moss]

Which I'm glad. Cause then we would be like ok what was it

Which one of the ideas in this channel of 28000 messages was it lol

[dawn pelican]

but, what havnt we tried yet? ._. i cant think of anything

[rapid belfry]

tbh i think we just wait

[red musk]

He said he don't know, so either he havent looked to closely on what the community has done(I would like to remind everyone that he has been trying to stay out of non patreon chats) or that the ones he has checked so far haven't done it.

[rapid belfry]

its obvious by now if we haven't found it hes gonna change it ;-;

its not supposed to be this hard to find is my thought

[balmy moss]

Well question is what do players usually do when they play the game.

And do the opposite

[red musk]

Depending on how many steps on the ladder we might have to try it all again after the first step 😄

[rapid belfry]

exactly thats my worry

and im guessing we have under a week and a half to figure it otu

[bleak python]

I pointed out a while ago that someone who has eldered should go through all the theories again; but it is a lot for only one to two people to do.

[sterile isle]

Everyone kill your dragons!

[rapid belfry]

they said releasign "very soon" plus the twitter post makes me guess we have less than two weeks

[bleak python]

Additionally there’s the whole… sacrifice an elder thing to unlock elementals.. but it wouldn’t be tied to that… right?

[red musk]

He should reweal the way to elder an hour before he changes it so we can get to prove it was actually in the game

[rapid belfry]

yeah

[balmy moss]

The thing is it would force us to play the asd, cause that's the dragon with the fastest growth time for elder. Ss takes minimum 75 days and the ir is longer.

[rapid belfry]

ss is 40 days i thought

[rapid radish]

yeah, if you can take both ticks every day

[balmy moss]

If you can log on every 12h then sure

[rapid radish]

IR and FS is 55 days

[red musk]

If you are refering to the theory I talked about earlier I think it could be per dragon

[balmy moss]

I usually go by logging on once a day.

[rapid belfry]

thats different then

the every tick time is 40 days

Nope

None

[balmy moss]

Yes you are right, but realistically

[rapid radish]

for some ppl logging in twice a day is realistic 🙂

But I do get that not for all 🙂

[balmy moss]

I wish I could log on twice a day. Maybe I'll wake-up early before

Work

Can't wait to go to bed and dream about discovering elder again

Best dream I had and only dream I could remember in a long time

[rapid belfry]

OOP

[balmy moss]

I try not to think of that

It's scary

But for giggles how many different colored bugs are there? We talked about this last night

I think I've seen Grey brown and reddish

[turbid copper]

Bro, bugs are just bugs 😭

[balmy moss]

Makes it more complicated and I aint ready for that

[rapid belfry]

i still think its an npc

yall were talking about how jao cant code for an npc

yet

bacon?

the bacon npc was a thing

he can obviously code for npcs

i bet you its an npc

and its just really hidden

[balmy moss]

If I figure it out maybe I'll make my own riddle for everyone... im kidding I'll tell everyone.

[rapid belfry]

oh

is this a bad player joke or did you actually see an npc

lol

[balmy moss]

Npc would have to keep moving

[rapid belfry]

maybe it shows up at certain spots at random/

like after someone talks to it once, it moves

[balmy moss]

I'm not against it

[rapid belfry]

we already checked where bacons cave used to be and theres nothin there so

[balmy moss]

But the map is soo big

[rapid belfry]

ikr

its too hard is what im gonna conclude with. and we just have to wait till blitz comes out and jao changes it

[balmy moss]

You just fly over trees and you kind of daydream

[rapid belfry]

lol true

bro we aint gettin nowhere

[glad star]

about this, think of all the things Bios can't do: take elder ticks, bite, be attacked by bugs(alone), eat bodies etc

[rapid belfry]

the hints were nice but i dont think theyre gonna help us find it XD

oh

OH

[balmy moss]

Yup

[rapid belfry]

cynro we already concluded that it just means the fact that bios cant eler

or are we wrong?

[glad star]

they cannot, also the micro/zygovo can't

[rapid belfry]

hmmmmmmm

[balmy moss]

Bio cant bite?

[rapid belfry]

ugh this is so frustrating we only have a few days left..

[balmy moss]

Interesting

[rapid belfry]

theres no way were figuring this out without atleast one more hint

[glad star]

but Jao did say Bios can't do the first step so we must think of what they can't do too

[rapid belfry]

ok so thats confirmation on that. thank you. he DID mean that bios alone cant do the first step

[balmy moss]

Ya I just nvr played bio so I'm at a disadvantage

[rapid belfry]

so its gotta be eating something?

guys think about this, the bugs butts are round

round enough to have a pearl in?

[balmy moss]

Bite/eat+eldertick.

[glad star]

• bios don't elder at all, being they gett all their points and no passive ticks

[rapid belfry]

mhm

oh so it is just passiving then

thanks

welp we figured it out XD

[glad star]

xD

[rapid belfry]

i had a feeling thats what it was tbh

jao said he didnt think anyone had passive eldered yet though?

did he just not know about those who had?

[glad star]

i wish it was just it, but could be related to diet? not sure (i wish i knew so i could help more) xD

[rapid belfry]

oh you dont knoww

sorry i thought you were hinting

lol

[glad star]

only JAO knows

[rapid belfry]

ohhhh

ok

[glad star]

literally

[rapid belfry]

hmmm

[glad star]

yay

[rapid belfry]

hmmmmmmmmm

[balmy moss]

Also the first step could be multiple things like prerequisites?

[rapid belfry]

cynro i know this is alot to ask

are you able to ask jao to give us ONE more hint? that will atleast start us on a path? if not thats totally ok were just- at a blank loss and we wanna figure it out before he reveals it soon

[glad star]

mmmmh

[rapid belfry]

its the satisfaction of having figured it out ourselves. were all mystery junkies i can telll you that

if not thats totally ok

[balmy moss]

Jao, is the first step becoming a full elder? It would quiet alot of voices.

[rapid belfry]

i just- were alL at a loss

[glad star]

the fact is, if no one figures it out before the blitz he will change it

[rapid belfry]

yeah thats what im afraid of

i wanted to be able to figure it out myself ;-;

[glad star]

but he would also tell us HOW it was supposed to be done

[rapid belfry]

it has to be something so simple that were overthinking it

[glad star]

probably you know? xD

[rapid belfry]

its not passiving

i think

cynro yal on the team have to be going crazy too not knowing

nah

[glad star]

no but for me you need at least some passive ticks, or the 4 point

[rapid belfry]

hmmm that could be it

[balmy moss]

Like I said I'm gonna try to sleep during day/night cycle with my passive eldering going.

[rapid belfry]

i don't feel like there was enough time to implement a quest for each dragon though

or correct me if im wrong

its something to do with coding. if only jao knows

[glad star]

nah i think it's universal, and can be done in both pvp and pve cause we don't exclude anyone

[rapid belfry]

so its nothing with physical things on the map

so no crystals.

no caves

no locatoins

its gotta be something with the bugs

theyre coded to give you something

[glad star]

i was thinking about the first flight music, but that would cut out the drakes so nope

[rapid belfry]

well no

if you go to the top of the snowy mountains with asd you can get it

[glad star]

mmh

[rapid belfry]

ive tested ti

it

[glad star]

thats cool

[rapid belfry]

yeah

[balmy moss]

Key thing. What moves and is not a location. Bugs and you

[rapid belfry]

you gonna report that now arent you

LOL

[glad star]

nope

xD

[rapid belfry]

ok thank god

i was like did i just stop a meme

[glad star]

it could be intentional being you look over the whole map

[rapid belfry]

have the admin team figured out any hints atleast that theyve come up with?

like exploring it themselves

[glad star]

we are as confused as you all are xD

[rapid belfry]

have you guys tested anything?

like as players?

[glad star]

yeah

[rapid belfry]

from one elder questing group to another

[glad star]

i tested with Lokk too, nothing

[rapid belfry]

what have yall tried? maybe itll cross some stuff off our list

[glad star]

from what i see here you tried what we tried lo like nesting, eating specific bugs etc

[rapid belfry]

hmm so you guys tried the bug thing

not many of us have tried that yet so im gonna sorta cross that off

[glad star]

i tried the bug alone mostly

[rapid belfry]

hmmm

im still gonna go back to jaos one hint

it keeps prying at my mind

[glad star]

you can try again maybe i ate the wrong ones xD

[rapid belfry]

"not knowing how to elder, difficult. knowing how to elder? COOL"

the word cool there bothers me

[glad star]

snow?

[rapid belfry]

wouldn't the opposite be easy? or some other acronym>

[glad star]

xD

[rapid belfry]

thats what im thinking

or water

water can be cool

[glad star]

rivers are out of discussion

[rapid belfry]

oh thats right

OOH

has anyone ever tried like blasting the bugs after they are dead

or flaming them?

ive yeeted many a bug

[rapid radish]

I see "cool" as in xD

[rapid belfry]

no

it was worded different for a reason i feel like

imma try spitting on a bug

[glad star]

indeed

but bugs could be campable

yeah true but in pvp people camp food spawns

[balmy moss]

And you can move them

Ahh

[rapid radish]

It's slang, at least for millenials xD

[balmy moss]

Maybe we need to swim the whole river

Location tho

[glad star]

bios also can't sniff insects

[rapid belfry]

tried blasting the bug corpse. nothing

i did

[rapid radish]

I like the idea of the first step being related to bile, bc that is very dragony, don't know how it could be the first step tho 😅

[balmy moss]

I do notice if you sniff when you are too close to the bug instead gives you a smokey cloud. But that's probably qol

[rapid radish]

but it doesn't damage

[glad star]

that has always been there even in legacy

[tardy perch]

41% now. I see people are still figuring things out

[rapid radish]

It has been there since the sniff came out 🙂

[balmy moss]

This just hurts cause ive never seen an elder before

[tardy perch]

I have. In both legacy and this

Their roars are loooooud

[balmy moss]

Thanks I feel alot better now lol

[novel oak]

the ss roar sounds more growly

[tardy perch]

There's like...maybe 2 people who I've seen elder from just passive ticks. But it's on a 2x server, not a normal growth server

[rapid radish]

Ulta, are you growing in an official server? 🙂

[tardy perch]

No I'm not.

[rapid radish]

x2?

[tardy perch]

I'm on Guardian Dragons which is a 2x growth server.

[rapid radish]

nice :p

[tardy perch]

I grow twice as fast basically. Helps me get to elder faster for testing

[rapid radish]

I know, that's why I was asking :p

[tardy perch]

I don't think an official server could have an elder yet. Maybe? If they caught every passive tick and was on a ASD. But I wouldn't know, no one in my clan has bothered since we plan to move servers

[rapid belfry]

im at a loss

[novel oak]

has stuff been tried with the jellies on bio island? its the only place theres jellies

[glad star]

campable

[tardy perch]

I saw someone was giving another player greif for thinking the first step is eldering via passives. Shame on them.

[balmy moss]

The other growth stages water, food and sleep help it right?

[tardy perch]

Help what?

[balmy moss]

Or is it just a set amount of time. Growth time for hatchling, jv

[summer arch]

Set in stone

[tardy perch]

It's a set amount of time. All eating and drinking does is keep your dragon alive

It's why I'm choosing to do my passive eldering on a 2x growth server instead of official.

[rapid radish]

In alpha there was a time when sleeping made you grow faster and all you could hear was snoring dergins xD

[glad star]

i miss alpha sometimes

[tardy perch]

lol yeah I remember that XD I'm glad they took that out though. AFK growing was boring

[glad star]

also the buff dragon helped a lot

[rapid radish]

it was sooo cute!!

[tardy perch]

I remember that.

[rapid radish]

buff dragon riding a cloaked ss... :p

[rapid belfry]

yeah uh- that was me i was on some meds and wasn't reacting correctly to things so i got off. i apologized after and we got it sorted out though 😓

[balmy moss]

Hello

[rapid belfry]

hmmm still trying to find me some of those red bugs

[balmy moss]

Sus

This only reinforces my theory

[tardy perch]

It wasn't you, it was a white named person

[rapid belfry]

oh

i meant my rant from last night but not me then i gotcha

[tardy perch]

lol yeah it was the messages between then and now XD

[rapid belfry]

OK FOUND A RED BUG YALL

SHALL I FLAME HIM?

[tardy perch]

Burn him to a crisp

[balmy moss]

Diplomacy he may have intel

Wait try to pick him up before killing him

[rapid belfry]

NOPE NO CRISP

i did

nothing

[glad star]

mmh

[tardy perch]

I thin kthe only thing I need to know from Jao is if we get a message of some sort if we successfully do like ANY part of this new eldering system

[rapid belfry]

nope nothing

[novel oak]

is this just a graphical thing where bacons cave use to be? it stays the same in any lighting and any angle that iv seen

[rapid belfry]

awe

rip bacon ;-;

[glad star]

yeah i hope they will readd him eventually

[novel oak]

sir bacon could be the first questing npc

[balmy moss]

I'm thinking now... has the sky ever been red for you. I think it has for me

[tardy perch]

Not for me. I've only ever seen it normal or full of green aurora

[balmy moss]

I think im imagining things

[glad star]

you are just going crazy

[balmy moss]

Checks out

[rapid belfry]

nothing

ive tried so much with my bug friend

nothing

what are the exact coords of bacons cave?

or where it used to be

[tardy perch]

I don't know the coords all I know is it's between the two snow mountains. I've not found it on 1.0 though

[eager heath]

I remember giving the coords to my friend, found the message:
665 N 495 E

[balmy moss]

Congrats everyone we hit 30,000 messages.

[rapid belfry]

LOL did we realy

[eager heath]

The most popular thread on the server XD

[rapid belfry]

cause all we do is come up with stuff

lol

[slender arrow]

It’s 40 days if you get both ticks every 24 hours

[rapid belfry]

bruh you replied to that like 2 hours ago

[slender arrow]

Lmfao my bad I came in and seen your message I’m on my phone

[slender arrow]

You took bugs to cave and layed on it ?

[rapid belfry]

yep

for like 20 minutes

[slender arrow]

Wouldn’t that be campable tho ?

[rapid belfry]

yep

[slender arrow]

Cuz he already said it can’t be camped

Guess we have to wait for someone on the official servers to reach elder

[proper patio]

They do, we have one on Islecrest

[tardy perch]

Congrats!

Do they got any plans now that they've reached elder?

[rapid belfry]

like testing

P L E A S E?

[wide canopy]

What?

[rapid belfry]

hopefully within the next week or two

they said 'soon'

so

hopefully its less than a month

lol it would be "beg clan for eggo then speedrun adn grow elder"

awe you beat me to it!

its my favorite dragon besides the frost and draven

skrill from httyd was amazing i fell in love with it

the freakin calls are amazing

lets take this to the blitz chat

the blitz speed one

ikr

[glad star]

this isn't a Blitz chat yall

[proper patio]

I'm not sure I will have to ask! I have seen them poke around in this chat before, hopefully if they learn something they will share 😊

[rapid belfry]

thats why i said we should move

[dry mauve]

Buuuuuutttt it could be xD

[rapid belfry]

https://discord.com/channels/576933363672285186/1067228836632219678

nah this the blitz chat

[tardy perch]

Hopefully yeah. We need more people poking around after hitting elder

[woven isle]

went to this loc with my asd, it's just on a snow mountain? there's nothing there for me at least, was this for the legacy map?

i mean i did find the grass on the snow, but that's about it

[eager heath]

yes legacy, theres nothing on new map, i think i remember Rhino saying Bacon is staying in Legacy only?

[balmy moss]

so killed a bug carried it away. also called it when it was alive. interesting enough as my ss(invisible) when i 1 called the bug jumped back everytime i did this. other than that nothing happened

gonna call it a night. what i didnt try was sleep through a whole night cycle.

[compact reef]

Ill poke around eventually only at 35% on ss on an official

do yall think it could be get first elder point on 3 dragons just i thought cause all dragons to get 25% takes 2 weeks

[balmy moss]

I think... im NOT gonna do that

Sounds like a good theory tho

[compact reef]

or have 4 points in different mutations on different dragons

[naive otter]

so basically if im getting this right from the latest info "To Unlock Elder Process you must find the Step to Unlock the method first, It must be solo'd. Cant be Camped or Done via Nesting/Fighting and must be avalible on all species so it isnt related around flight either'

Right?

[compact reef]

I think so