New Elder System

[summer arch]

Yeah totally feel the same on this

Hunting for the shrooms locations when beta released was way more entertaining than this tbh

[pulsar swift]

We had claims that people achieved extra growth. No proof, no pictures. Attempts at tracing their actions or claims were unsuccessful

[balmy moss]

Hmm, I read through briefly again. There is mention of extra ticks by path. But nothing definitive. That 1% could have been the 12h log possibly. Too many variables to make a hypothesis

Do we have a Dosseri/ codex on the dragons like favorite terrain ect?

Like for instance. I would think the ir is a dragon that lives by the cliffs. Cause it so dang hard to take off the ground. So maybe hang around cliff areas for a certain amount of time. And if it's a big enough area it shouldn't be "campable."

WAIT

Ok im freaking out a little

[hazy mural]

so to be faster elder you need to breed maybe the lifespan stat or something like it

[balmy moss]

Bio does not have elder right?

[hazy mural]

nope

has no elder stage

[balmy moss]

Where do bio hang out the most

Bio island

[rapid belfry]

The caves

[hazy mural]

the caves are their habitat

[rapid belfry]

Cause alot of the caves have the flowers

[balmy moss]

Lilac island we can agree would be bio's favorite habitat

[hazy mural]

at least when they open the caves

[balmy moss]

Oh darn

[hazy mural]

also

Bio doesn't have an elder stage

[balmy moss]

Ya but it would have supported my theory somewhat. Theory of favorite terrain.

It would have neither supported or proved it wrong I mean

[rapid belfry]

Tbh i think it has something to do with combat and proving your strength

[pulsar swift]

Sadly comfort and weather conditions arent in yet

[rapid belfry]

Yeahhh i hope “soon” means within the next two weeks…

[hazy mural]

breeding

maybe the lifespan stat

[balmy moss]

Ss what would their favorite terrain be?

[hazy mural]

can speed it up

[rapid belfry]

No. Ive noticed after i get kills i often get the ‘you feel stronger’ thinf

Aka extra ticks

[balmy moss]

That's what I was thinking too awhile back

[rapid belfry]

Wouldn’t make sense. Ive gotten extra ticks on an e spawn

[hazy mural]

i had a dragon with a descent Lifespan and it got a little more i think

and maybe fights

that might help too

[rapid belfry]

Fights definitely has to do with it

[barren cave]

Did you record your gameplay? I'd hope so, since you see it often?

[hazy mural]

it might be a combination of things

[rapid belfry]

I am unfortunately unable to record my gameplay

[balmy moss]

Only time I've noticed the "you feel stronger" is from passive tick. And I'm only on pve so it's bug kills for me and I haven't gotten that

[rapid belfry]

So youll just have to go by word

My clan fights a bunch. I always get it during or after big fights

[barren cave]

Just record your gameplay next time? Then we have more than words and rumors

[rapid belfry]

Might just be the fights taking so dam long XD

[tame crest]

There's a lot of stuff that's been entirely by word that have been dead ends or false, so people aren't going to really take you seriously without some form of evidence.

[balmy moss]

Sinnoh do tou have shadow play with nvidia?

[rapid belfry]

I said i can’t. My computer doesn’t like it. Im not expecting you to take my seriously without proof

[hazy mural]

same but on pvp

[rapid belfry]

Im just telling you what ive experienced. Whether you believe it or not is up to you.

I could care less. I was just offering my experience tbh.

[hazy mural]

might

work

i haven't tested it

[hazy mural]

might be something to it

[balmy moss]

Any theory helps if you can try to record next time thank you!

[rapid belfry]

Just saying it i notice it during big fights. It could be how long the fights are taking. We have had some big fights that take a few hours each. I doubt they’re taking 12 hours.

[barren cave]

As far as i can tell, it must just be your 12h ticks. Nobody has been able to give evidence, and your exact observations has been mentioned before, but nobody has been able to prove it in any way

[rapid belfry]

I will try. It may be very glitchy though.

Yeah it might be

Thats what im saying

Next time i get a tick ill try to clip it

[balmy moss]

I use shadow play so if there's a clip I just hit a button to save the last 5 minutes

[rapid belfry]

Im gonna have to put audio over it though so it doesnt utterly murder someones hearing though.

Whenever i clip theres a horrid glitch with the audio- so i just havent been

[barren cave]

Could also just mute the vid, less work 🙂

[rapid belfry]

Hmmm. True.

Ill have to look up how to do that. Maybe through some kind of editing

[barren cave]

Just thought i'd suggest it, since your pc doesn't like recording to begin with ^^

[rapid belfry]

Ok! Thanks!

[balmy moss]

Thank you!

[rapid belfry]

No i used to be able to record fine. Just one day the audio started having seizures.

[barren cave]

Wut? wierd 😮

[rapid belfry]

Ive updated all my drivers so im not sure whats been happening.

[balmy moss]

Audio drivers might need an update

And I have no idea how to do that lol

[rapid belfry]

I did. Thats the thing.

Ill figure it out.

But no i know ive def been getting extra ticks cause they’ve surprised me.

Im like “theres no way its been 12 hours”

Oh my god i had an idea

[balmy moss]

Flying with other dragons?

[rapid belfry]

What if its the flesh of other dragons you consume???

Like while eating another dragon you’re absorbing their strength?

Or flying too

[balmy moss]

Could be. But people in pve eat their bad hatchlings.

[rapid belfry]

Lolll

I also like the crystal idea but that would again be too campable

[balmy moss]

Both are worth looking into

[barren cave]

Aah, that could just be depending on what time your tick happens. Lets say 00:00-11:59 is your first 12h period, and you log in before 12 and get a tick, you could get the tick for the next 12h period (12:00-23:59) just a few min after

[rapid belfry]

I also like the flying above the clouds. Second wind has to be there for another reason. Tbh it could be flying with a group.

Flying with a clan above the clouds

Game was MADE to be a clan game.

So it probably has something to do with your clan is most likely.

[rapid radish]

ppl have tried with A in Life, but it didn't change anything, unfortunately

[hazy mural]

nah been there done that, nothing happened

[rapid belfry]

Hmmm

[barren cave]

Isn't there servers where clans are disabled? Or am i remembering wrong?

[rapid belfry]

If there are i wasn’t aware of em

Just throwing out theories

[hazy mural]

there is

[pulsar swift]

Could document them with screenshots, I know Iso is looking into ticks. Windows button + shift + s will bring up snipping tool. Send them in a disc server or to someone and you'll have timestamps

[rapid radish]

what about pve then?

[hazy mural]

does the solo servers

[rapid belfry]

Hmmm not sure then

[pulsar swift]

Dragonborne is official and no clans

[barren cave]

Yeah i thought there was one, just can't log in and check rn

So there can't be clan requirements

[pulsar swift]

Could be but would be rude to exclude people for their server choices

[barren cave]

Not just rude, dumb as heck

[rough root]

The Docs have been updated with all hints and notes we've been given so far with links to the messages (since several are Patreon-Chat, which means it's forbidden to share screens of it)

[rapid belfry]

Where are the docs

[rough root]

Pinned!

[rapid radish]

Also ppl have tried the "killing other dragons" and they gained nothing 🤔

[barren cave]

Should probably rename this thread to "New Elder System - PINS" 😂

jkjk

[rapid radish]

not bad idea xD

[small sedge]

Careful with having patreon info in the doc, they updated the rules a couple days ago and now patreon-exclusive information isn't allowed to be shared either 🙄

[barren cave]

I mean, not really a joke tbh, so many ask

[barren cave]

Now that is just plain rude.. Putting hints about a core mechanic behind a paywall....

That actually pissed me off

[pulsar swift]

From what we've heard from Patreons there's nothing on Patreon that would help

[barren cave]

a lot

[small sedge]

No disagreement here

[barren cave]

We don't know that for sure tho, because we know nothing

[small sedge]

And Stone, legit the only hint with any direction was shared in the patreon-exclusive chat in this discord

[rough root]

Just the information -itself- now? Good gracious. I get images and screenshots.

[barren cave]

So, as i understand it, from this point forward anyone who's not a patreon will have a disadvantage in finding the elder method

That new piece of info ruined my day, no joke

[small sedge]

Depends on if Jao shares information only in patreon chat again we'll have to hope that isn't the case

[rough root]

That would mean that a LOT of us in here who have just been sharing the hints themselves would be in a very bad spot as well.

Of course not to mention, how it absolutely suuuhuuuucks for anyone that aren't a Patron.

[barren cave]

True, the elder system is gonna be changed, im calling it

[rough root]

A LOT of them are Patreon-chat shared. He's currently not in the general chat (or here for that matter) - but that too is patron exclusive knowledge, so I can't share that either I suppose xD

[barren cave]

Omg..

[rough root]

It's been a while since there's been any hints or notes on the matter however. The most recent were about the upstatting and how elders affected that.

[balmy moss]

Funny that you mention that. Um

[small sedge]

Yeah, because I'm gonna spend several months passively eldering my IR to maybe upstat a few hatchlings 👁️👄👁️

[rough root]

Any dear moderators watching the chat that could lay our fears to rest? Can we have the written hints in the docs, can we share the written hints in here? (Without screenshots)

[rough root]

What's funny dear?

[balmy moss]

Elder is a community challenge mods. Please

[balmy moss]

Well I was going through old posts and well I did find something pertaining to that

[barren cave]

Yeh, i know Jao has said he would do it, all im saying is im calling it now, that no more hints will be given and nobody will find it

Thus he will change it

[rough root]

Thank you Fandom 🙏 I shall refrain from sweating bullets in having the hints up in the docs (no screens, only written, then a link to the OG message, that will only be viewable to those who can access the channel)

(No really I was the most wideeyed fearful I've been in a while.)

[small sedge]

Man that's not confusing at all, saying that information can't be shared and then allowing some information

[balmy moss]

Elder is different

[rough root]

It might be because they're hints for a whole community.

[balmy moss]

It's for the community

Yup

[rough root]

I can absolutely get that they don't want say "THIS IS HOW THE NEW SKINS LOOK" or the patterns or so such.

Or new lore posts and exclusively written content from say, the patreon proclamations.

[small sedge]

All I can say is that nobody better get bapped for sharing any future hints then lmao

[rough root]

Looks like we're good as long as it's done in written form (with links)

Instead of y'know. screenshots

(And so long as it's things talked about in the chat that isn't referencing the patreon posts)

[small sedge]

I mean, verbatim the new rule is

Sharing Patreon/Kickstarter exclusive related content, including screenshots or information/conversations exclusively discussed in the Patreon-Only or Kickstarter-Only discord channels is not allowed.

[rough root]

I'm going to take this then, as a "The hints are okay"

[pulsar swift]

The hints should be okay, or I can see people leaving

[cosmic river]

hints can be discussed
whats not allowed is sharing screenshots of those hints or any other convos in private chats

[rough root]

Thank you kindly Fandom 🙏 This is why the screenshots from the docs were removed and instead, written with a link to the exact post itself (which of course, if it's in Patreon chat, can only be accessed by patrons.)

No more screenshots, only words. Words are good. We like words.

[hollow quarry]

Words could also be reworded, but at.

Eh*

[rough root]

That's why there's a link to the original post, if anyone is going

"HMM IS THIS WHAT WAS REALLY SAID I WONDER"

I can say, from my side of things, that I copy paste and then add a link back to the original post.

(As a writer I am way too familiar with keyboard slip-ups causing chaos)

[balmy moss]

If someone ever does that. Shame on them

[rough root]

SHAME

[small sedge]

Can the rule be updated in that case to allow that specific instance? Because as it is right now it's forbidding anything to be shared so y'all are technically allowing us to break the rules while still leaving a loophole in case someone is having a bad day and wants to bap a user. It'd put me more at ease, at least.

[balmy moss]

https://tenor.com/view/mushu-mulan-dishonor-gif-5543056

[cosmic river]

#1067202526878896248

[rough root]

GO FORTH

O-one at a time.

Not... Not in a massive tidal wave.

[balmy moss]

Fandom does this channel entertain staff?

[rough root]

Do you enjoy seeing our lack of sanity

[balmy moss]

Lol

We accept no comment as a reply

[rough root]

I imagine, if staff knew what it was, they would be both laughing and facepalming aplenty.

I don't know, and I sure am.

[balmy moss]

Like mice in a maze

[rough root]

Running head first into one another going "CRISTALS"

[balmy moss]

Nonono it's elder trees now

Crystals were last month

[cosmic river]

no

[balmy moss]

Oof

Understandable

[small sedge]

#1217133740988567572

[rough root]

I have smacked the YES react.

[compact reef]

fandom is cap lol

[balmy moss]

So my line of thought has me thinking about word choice.

The hint " figuring how to get elder difficult knowing how cool

Usually saying something like that you would say easy, but instead he used the word cool

So my logic is telling me once we figured it out doesn't mean it will be a walk in the park.

Or he could have ment cool as in cool no problem.

[rough root]

Some took it as 'temperature' and spent two or three days on the snowy mountains.

[balmy moss]

Usually word usage are hints themselves

Oohhh

Quite literally. Interesting.

Difficult process/ cool process.

[sterile isle]

Hey yall, any new leads?

[balmy moss]

Altitude/biome/water..

Not really. Just following train of thought

... when I get home I'm gonna sit under a waterfall. If this is a dragonheart reference I'm gonna laugh.

[iron coyote]

as an occasional player, I’m not exactly elder-obsessed and have no idea what exactly has been tried, but so far what I’ve gotten is:

Prerequisites:

• it is NOT campable (so nothing to do with STATIC spots on the map, such as locations, spawns, and things of the like)
• it is able to be SOLOED (so no help from other players)
• it’s desired that elders should NOT be easily gained like free candy

The quote from Jao:

first step, become that which you seek so that you can seek that which you wish to become

this interests me a lot. I genuinely think the first step is to first become an elder through passive tics, and then a new system opens up for you to make eldering faster (I’d imagine it’d be for that particular species you eldered on, or else growing ASD and using passive tics to more quickly elder things like IR would be meta)

[regal oriole]

I am not able to play that much. So eldering with passive Ticks would take forever for me.

[iron coyote]

what comes AFTER passively making it to elder can vary.

since it’s not campable (so no STATIC spots), how about potentially randomly spawning things that you can find? (I believe people have been mentioning orbs..)

[iron coyote]

and that fits into the final prerequisite, so eldering isn’t all too common

[tardy perch]

there's at least 2 players in this chat who've reached elder. They haven't foudn naything, but I also dunno what they are even trying to do.

I'm at a little over %30 on my aSD on a server. I plan to off it to see if the eldering stuff is indeed only per species it's done on (killing the elder hasn't been done by the others as far as I know)

[balmy moss]

I'm gonna visit some old theories. I think we are taking non-campable too literally. It might be in a spot that is far away from food and water sources that make it impossible to stay there for too long.

[iron coyote]

bigger clans can take turns guarding it and scouting it, which makes it campable

[tardy perch]

Any static spot on the map can be campable. Doesn't matter if you eventually will need to leave for food or water, your clan will cover for you

[balmy moss]

Mehh

[somber shuttle]

I think random spawns are one of the most uncampable options if they are the orbs. It would promote map exploration and not sitting in one spot or logging in one spot

[tardy perch]

I agree. You CAN use static spots, but it has to be so numerous and random that it's impossible to camp. It's like needing ot guard the ENTIRE map, which even a clan will have a hard time doing

[iron coyote]

it could also very well vary per species. maybe one species has orbs, another like FS may have findable things via heat vision that spawn randomly on the map

[tardy perch]

As neat as that is, I highly doubt Jao had the time to code that

[iron coyote]

true

I do think the nonnegotiable thing though is to first elder via passive tics to unlock whatever the system may be for that species

[tardy perch]

I think so too. It's just not a lot of players are there yet to really hammer out as many options as possible

[rough root]

It is considered endgame. So... it may very well be "Reach elder" - then you can reach it with an active method on your other species.

[iron coyote]

which would explain why people haven’t found it yet. it doesn’t have as many minds on yet while also having the system available to them

[iron coyote]

I don’t think so because that’d make growing and passive eldering ASD meta

[rough root]

I'm just hoping and praying that you don't have to be A blq to get there.

[iron coyote]

since it can be done solo, I also don’t think you need to be A bl

[rough root]

We sadly do not have any directly confirmed notes on the 'soloable, non campable' etc.

[iron coyote]

because then you’d basically be needing help from others (via being nested in, which you can’t do yourself alone)

[rough root]

I'd take the non-written hints with a grain of salt at least.

[balmy moss]

Ok so how about we ask everyone in the server to fly around for 30min looking for anything in the map? That seems reasonable

[rough root]

I sadly doubt you'd get a lot to do it. Just look at how few were interested in helping out with the lineage theory xD

[iron coyote]

if the first step is to become elder via passive tics, then unless everyone has been eldered on a specific species, I doubt you’d find anything lol

[pliant ice]

Only thing that confuses me about full passive eldering being required for the system is that Jao (iirc) said he’d change the method/tell us on the blitz patch if we hadn’t found it out yet, which we had ~2 weeks to do before it was due (prior to the delay).

Makes me wonder since you wouldn’t have time to elder anything 100% within 2 weeks

[rough root]

True, not even as ASD

[tardy perch]

Pretty sure he only said he'd change it AFTER he removed the dates deadlines.

Either way, testers are begging him not to change it, so hopefully he'll listen heh

[pliant ice]

I mean if it’s something that’s this difficult to find maybe another eldering idea could be good, we still have no clue what the eldering is

It could be something ridiculous x)
But hopefully its something fun to do.

[rough root]

Even with 2x growth you'd only BARELY make it there. And that's if you get both 12 hour ticks.

[tardy perch]

Yep

[somber shuttle]

yeah thats a normal tic

[balmy moss]

Well I hate to be so negative, but if we can't pull together to do this maybe we don't deserve to find elder.

[pliant ice]

Yeah its 2.1 on asd, 1.2 on ss iirc and 0.9 for FS and IR

[pliant ice]

it’d be easier to find if we had ingame confirmation we do something right, as currently there is none from what the devs have said

[rough root]

I wish it was different, but people being on different servers, official and not, different timezones and of differing levels of investments? It's a long shot. As much as I wish otherwise.

[balmy moss]

I'm just simply gonna ask in sanctuary in game. Hey anyone mind spending 15-20min flying around the whole map looking for anything out of the ordinary and keep an eye on their ticks.

[somber shuttle]

Ive been doing that for a couple hours each day the last week, with no extra progress and nothing unordinary on the map. Its a lot of nothing. I swear ive flown and walked every bit of the map

[native yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/kekpunk-kekpunks-gif-1843620448175954372

[tardy perch]

I personally am gonna hard focus on getting my ASD to elder, offing it, then doing anything and everything I can with a newly grown ASD

Still gonna be a few days till I ge tthere though. Only at 33% and I typically can only make 1 tick a day. Maybe I should beg Jao to shorten the elder ticks to 8 hours. Would be a lot easier to make 2 ticks a day that way

[somber shuttle]

Or we could bed he just tells us how eldering works so we know if its bugged or if we overthought the whole thing lol

[tardy perch]

lol that too XD

[iron coyote]

you may also want to consider exploring around as elder to see if anything looks off

might need to find something that randomly spawns (and only visible to you) once you’re elder to initiate the system on your next ASD life

[tardy perch]

True. But I would hope it doesn't have anything to do with a location on the map

[balmy moss]

Please don't bug the man

[somber shuttle]

Well no lol were not gonna tag or DM him. Were just lost. I feel like we've exhausted our simple and complicated methods with nothing to show

[iron coyote]

hopefully. but it would be a random spawn on the map only visible for you, so it’s not campable (no one will know exactly where yours will be or even possibly when)

[tardy perch]

It's my (unpayed) job to bug the man if I find a bug XD

[somber shuttle]

Yeah client sided spawns wouldnt be campable

[tardy perch]

That would depend entirely on if this thing is always in the same spot or not. IF it is, it's campable, since people will know where it is eventually and know where ot sit and wait

It would HAVE to be a random spot out of like a hundred potential locations for it to not be campable

[iron coyote]

I’m assuming completely random spawns

[tardy perch]

I would hope so.

But I honestly do not think Jao had the time to code something that large

I could for sure be wrong though. He for sure has the ability to do something like that on the map without echo's help

[iron coyote]

better to overestimate than underestimate so everything is tried and not skipped over lol

[tardy perch]

If I'm to do that then I'll need a buddy to go exploring with me when I do hit elder. I'm growing it on the Guardian Dragons server

So that if I spot something and they don't see it, we'll know we're on to something

I got a few clanmates who I know will help with that at least

[rough root]

Watch it be like the original Hybrid Dragon egg... "there's only one up at a time and it spawns in one of several random spots"

[tardy perch]

I mean, I'm okay with that so long as it's not campable lol

Which as long as there's like over 50 spots it could potentially be in, that fits the bill to me

[iron coyote]

nah, makes it campable

you know some people will memorize those spots lol

no matter how many there are. coordinates will be noted down and checked

[maiden island]

specially since you can have cords up unless it's truely random with no specific locations but i could see it spawning under the map by accident if so

[tardy perch]

Well yea hthey obviously will, but if you have like 100 potential spots it could be in, not even an entire clan could camp all the spots

They can CHECK the spots, but that isn't camping. Camping is being able ot sit there

[iron coyote]

it just best to have it completely random

[tardy perch]

Jao would have to come up with some sofiscicated code then for it to be able to randomly spawn in spots without it like clipping into things

[maiden island]

they could camp small segments probably 🤔 but i'd rather that then have the chance of it spawning under the map or something lol

[tardy perch]

No offense to the guy, I'm sure he can do it. But I highly doubt he had the time to make THAT for our present build

[balmy moss]

oops gotta switch back to the regular version

[tardy perch]

Exactly. If Jao's intent is to make it completely uncampable, he'd just make this all client-side with some other ways. But you kinda in fairness do need a way for players to prevent you from reaching elder. It's only fair isn't it?

[maiden island]

I feel like it is

[iron coyote]

the prevention is death

literal death lol you have to restart from a little hatchie

[maiden island]

makes it grindable

adds character development /j

[steady rock]

I mean it's not As hard As IT sounds, an old MMO (Dragon's Prophet if someone's interested) has a similar mechanic for the summoning of a dragon, every 4 day white piles of poo (no joke, it's dragon guano in the lore ) spawns totaly randomly on the map anywhere which is classified As "terrain" ín the code, and they never got stuck, but to avoid not collected piles and accidental out of map spawns to cluster the map and ruin performance they are up for a few hour then despawn amd reappear later (As well the dragon itself is on the map walking invisibly and if you sprinkle the dust from the piles ín the wind if it's close IT reveals itself and you can tame it)

[fading canyon]

Looking at it, Dragons prophet looks a lot like wow

I still feel like we only need to reach a certain point in passive eldering to actually unlock something else

it just kinda sucks a little that theres no msg curently stating, or hinting at any kind of right direction or unlock

[rapid belfry]

Tbh i bet its not even in yet

They keepin us on our toes it could be about when it does enter the game

[sharp dawn]

As much as I'd love a random or pseudorandom spawn kind of elder interaction, I don't think there was time to do it. Consider how they only have 2 finished ai and only one (the scrab) has spawns added to the map. I don't see them having time to code in entirely random spawns, and I don't see them having time to hand place 50+ spawns

Also it sounds like the orbs people have been seeing are bugged out eggs

[somber shuttle]

We need another hint or something. I’m losing motivation to keep looking. With no leads, it’s feeling like a waste of time 😭

[covert stag]

I may have something after reading through past posts. and if what i read is true. Did the dev defo say its similar to Star Wars galaxies?

[somber shuttle]

I heard a reference to the Jedi Trials I believe

[covert stag]

The Jedi Trials were the steps you needed to unlock Force Sensitivity. I remember it well. Now as for DoD i think find landmarks that start a music cue. Music cue was a sign you found the badge location in Star Wars Galaxies.

[somber shuttle]

I’ve only had music trigger so far while flying, but I remember someone saying they had music playing in BR cave. But that was only one person, and people are there all the time. But if we can try to find locations that trigger that we could move forward on the theory

[rough root]

I believe it was in an old stream I'm afraid. Just something like "I'd like it to be similar to"

[chrome yarrow]

are there any special music cues? besides clouds?

[covert stag]

Im pretty sure i started a music cue flying through the big arch. Above the platforms of the arch mind you

[chrome yarrow]

trying now

nothing

[rough root]

As for music? I only hear the one at a certain altitude. It was in-game back before 1.0 too.

[covert stag]

bummer.

[rough root]

But I'm still testing things out on the 'elder' of the latest lineage theory.

[covert stag]

If it is similar to Galaxies locations is the only possible thing available right now

[chrome yarrow]

well theres a few types of landmarks currently that stand out. Bodies of water, large trees, rocks and crystal caves.

mountains too but that is more geography than a placed terrain piece

[rough root]

Though, wouldn't the myriad of folk having explored the map then found/heard SOMETHING.

[chrome yarrow]

i know 😦

[rough root]

And if it's something that should be available on every map

[covert stag]

Somehow i doubt caves will be involved since they are easily camped

[chrome yarrow]

well theres not a limit to how many people can be in a cave really, maybe its something you gotta do like spend x amount of time at location y to get elder ticks

or an emote or something

[covert stag]

Emote sounds plausible

[chrome yarrow]

if it is its gotta be 1-5 or eldering would be behind a paywall

[covert stag]

True

Id wager cry 1. Marking territory kinda roar

[chrome yarrow]

or 5 cud you gotta be adult to do it

[covert stag]

Oh i didnt realiser that lol

[chrome yarrow]

but again like crow said if it was that simple someone would have tried it by now

[covert stag]

Dragons have bee adult so long i must have forgot

[chrome yarrow]

can anyone tell me if these blue lights on the floor of the crystal cave are normal? i never noticed them before

[rough root]

Graphics settings?

[chrome yarrow]

high

[rough root]

I shall go checke

[chrome yarrow]

theyre pulsing off and on

[covert stag]

Follow them to the Elder crystal lol

[chrome yarrow]

lol right...i'll let you know how it goes XD

[covert stag]

Well time for a dinner break. maybe will try flying around for anything later.

[rough root]

How to find water sources fly really high snrk

[chrome yarrow]

this is the crystal cave next to BR crow i forgot to mention it

[steady rock]

I got my internet back yesterday, i'll grow a bio and go over the map to see if I get music anywhere ( if it's only a one Time event)

[rough root]

What I see

(we ensured our graphic settings were the same)

[chrome yarrow]

i have a rtx 4070 i dunno if that might matter but im just throwing spaghetti at the wall lol

[rough root]

Got the exact same actually

[chrome yarrow]

ok perfect xD

[rough root]

OUR TEST SHALL THUS BE VALID

[chrome yarrow]

HUZZAH!

[rough root]

It was VERY brief but I saw 'em

It MIGHT be a graphical bug sadly. As they move with the camera. Checking on different species.

[upbeat igloo]

Those blue “reflections” are from the blue crystal in that cave.

[rough root]

Yeah, through very rigorous testing. It looks like a graphical bug. Particularly from the camera.

It is very dependant on where you stand and where your camera is aimed.

So alas. No cheese.

[chrome yarrow]

that crystal is a disco ball and nothing more sadly

[rough root]

Alas.

[balmy moss]

i tried flying flying into aurora borealis. i think i just missed it. other than that nothing. also flew to the top of the tallest mountain peak and made almost all the calls to double check. nothing even waited a few minutes

[balmy moss]

Hmm I just don't know

A+ would be a heck of a grind if it's locked behind stats

[pulsar swift]

15-20? Try 3 hours

[balmy moss]

Tbh I didn't even ask anyone on the server

So what was posted a+ should be possible with dom/dom abq/about and a/a

Dom needing 1 point for 25% elder

It just seems so far away

For elder

Okok long shot. What's the longest someone has gone without landing. We have second wind so we can stay in the air longer. Elder= long air time. This is another shot in the dark.

So probably no using shift

Oh jeez that would be a long time

[upbeat igloo]

Me and my friends do casual PvP and I think those dog fights last up to like 20-30mins xD

[balmy moss]

Strictly staying in the air?!?! Ok. I'll rule that theory out

[upbeat igloo]

Yeppers. We call it “training”

[balmy moss]

Your poor hands

[sterile isle]

I rlly feel you, it feels like we've thoroughly explored all the mechanics there are before you go into theories that don't rlly have any basis

I feel like if we had a little bit more of a clarification of the criteria like if it's species based or if non campable acc means locations are out of the question or not stuff like that we could defo figure it out in a flash we got some good heads in here

[rough root]

SO many good heads.

Who are all scrambling.

[pulsar swift]

1 hour+ atleast done on my patrols as SS. Most of the time spent gliding with some shift holding to gain altitude again

[languid spoke]

welcome to the club

[balmy moss]

https://tenor.com/view/hope-gif-19238353

In the mean time I'm gonna watch what dreams may come

[dry mauve]

I told jao id ask in a week

[tame crest]

I currently have more hope I'm gonna unlock force sensitivity in SWG than finding this active elder method

[mint tulip]

so whats the current theory

[rough root]

More up and lead

[rough root]

There's a few being explored currently. There's one being explored with musical cues. One being explored with reaching passive elder making something else available. And last but not least, one with lineage elders.

[mint tulip]

ugh

so no true leads atm

well I guess some leads

[errant shard]

since this is the most active channel i will ask my question here... so what is the best aimpoint with fs in aerial combat against ss for flaming? in legacy it was spot on dead center... whats now since the hitboxes r broken??

[somber shuttle]

This is an elder theory channel >:[ lmao

[errant shard]

yes but all others r barely active

what?

[languid spoke]

yes but this thread is specifically for elder convos......

y'all are more than welcome to ask elsewhere or take the convo to dm's

[errant shard]

i dm'ed u

[somber shuttle]

To be fair, even though this chat is active, we’re all on the same topic for a purpose. If people come in here because it’s active to talk about anything, the whole thread will spiral off topic, and makes it hard for those trying to communicate about eldering.

[balmy moss]

Yes and pizza is a perfect substitute for breakfast

Oh no there we go

[timber laurel]

This is a stretch, and maybe dumb; but has anyone tried being within the presence of an elder whilst searching/doing things?

[rapid belfry]

noone has unlocked elder yet ;-;

[somber shuttle]

There are no elders on my server at the moment, so no 😭

We could test with the people that passived to elder

[timber laurel]

Dang, Sorry

[languid spoke]

the only servers with elders are the privates where growth is disabled

i could enable growth and people could try chilling around my elder 😂 not sure it would help?

[rapid belfry]

uh oh

[languid spoke]

definitely not how to elder

[somber shuttle]

His hint still doesn’t make sense to me the way it was worded tbh. Become what you seek so you can become what you seek lmao

Rather than, Seek what you wish to become so that you may become that which you seek

Maybe he worded his clue wrong lol

[languid spoke]

or he did it on purpose

[sharp dawn]

The two I know of are 1) when you hatch in a player, both the baby and the parents hear a soundtrack called "Little Dragonlings". 2) when a dragon goes above the cloud ceiling, a soundtrack plays called "first flight". That one sounds a lot like first step mentioned in the hint, except obviously asd would not be able to do this

I'm pretty sure they intend to play a special track when fighting world bosses too

[small sedge]

I've also randomly heard the "Little Dragonlings" track when I haven't been nesting/nested in, or even in a group. No idea what triggers it or if it's even significant or just a bug 😂

[balmy moss]

Got it carry your hatchling above the clouds and drop it as a offering to the dragon gods.

[fading canyon]

For asds you just chuck them off the mountain

[languid spoke]

sprint and yeet

[fading canyon]

^^^

Sometimes you gotta delete the fetus to become elder

[small sedge]

I've already been tossing new hatchlings of mine in a nearby pond to baptize them, obviously that's not extreme enough

[languid spoke]

yeet them from the high water fall

see if anything special happens

[sharp dawn]

Y'all are brutal 🤣

[languid spoke]

tho, i will say....not thinking it has to do with helping elder. Jao did say it was difficult to figure out but cool to do

yeeting hatchies isn't difficult to figure out lol

[balmy moss]

Maybe a bit too far

[languid spoke]

in the pins is a doc made that compiles what we've done

not sure it's up to date, but

[balmy moss]

Maybe we have to stay in the egg. Super cook it

[upbeat igloo]

Accept egg, go afk for an hour. lmao

[languid spoke]

we're not quitters lol

[balmy moss]

I'll do it

1 thumbs up

Say no more

[upbeat igloo]

Lmao

[prisma mirage]

All brain but no storm

[vast valley]

kill that which you wish to become theories?

[languid spoke]

except, no one knows how

[tardy perch]

The hint was BECOME that which yo useek, not destroy it

[upbeat igloo]

Become elder, die, faster eldering unlocked?

[balmy moss]

Potatoes radishes

Or something along those lines

[tardy perch]

I'm going to test that when I get elder. I'll get ot elder, do a bit of exploring with some clanmates just to make sure I can't see anything weird, then I'll off myself and see if I see anything

[upbeat igloo]

I’m testing it as a well on my inferno but I’m only 10% there so far xD

[balmy moss]

Maybe you need so shift+r, sleep a long time.

[rough root]

There's a few who hit ASD elders, but so far we don't know what they're even trying xD

[balmy moss]

Maybe it's like super sayian god. It takes 4 adults to pool their energy into 1 dragon.

I'm going off the deep end

Pull me back

[rough root]

Test all the theories THEN off yourself 🤣

[balmy moss]

Thank you

[tardy perch]

Will try XD

[rough root]

Or see if you see anything on the other species.

[tardy perch]

I would think that the other two souls in this chat who are already elder would have seen something by now on other species.

[rough root]

Could very well be "Reach elder on passive, then you get an active method for the rest of the times you try to reach it"

[tardy perch]

But I also dunn owhat they've been trying to do since reaching elder

[rough root]

Me neither, alas.

[tame badger]

It has to PvE accessible as well though, at least I thought so

[tardy perch]

True, but don't forget you can still PVP on a PVE server I'm sure. You can toggle it

[tame badger]

You could yeah

[slender arrow]

I’m consume more then that lmfao 🤣

[steady rock]

I mean technicaly you could but people play pve to avoid avoid combat with Other players, so that would literaly prevent people from eldering...unless you have a few friends willing to grow sacrificial dragons for you... So I reeeeeeealy hope it's not something like that

[broken galleon]

tried hoarding bugs, but that didn't seem to add any ticks

[viral lark]

I should be sleeping but I'm sitting here thinking about the system

[rapid radish]

I'm starting to think it literally is what I think Ulta was saying; reach elder with passives first, then you unlock the active method for that species and you get the active method with your next dragon of that species. Which imo isn't "cool", but the hint would fit to it. 🤔

And I agree with Crow on the "non campable and soloable" things; until Jao says that is indeed the case, I will not take those as a priority hints

but it needs to fit pve, bc although pve has a possibility for pvp, then it would be forcing ppl who want to pve to do a different game mode.

[balmy moss]

New elder theory. What if rhino didn't change the elder system, but expanded on it. We've tried flying around with poison tick, but have we tried eating bugs or nesting while having poison tick damage. You must take the first step. Well we do know the old system first step. I'm at work so I can't yest it right now.

[rapid radish]

I haven't nested while poisoned, but I have eaten bugs while poisoned and nothing happened

[fierce violet]

Someone come onto scaleworx PvP to 1v1 me🥺

[balmy moss]

Have you eaten the correct mushrooms for your type of dragon?

[rapid radish]

There's only 1 kind of mushrooms in 1.0

the diffeerent coloured shrooms was a legacy thing

and Jao didn't like those 😄

[balmy moss]

Oh

Shoot

Gosh darn

throws away theory

[upbeat igloo]

I feel like everyone needs a memory wipe of eldering and try again. Me included lmao. Too much thinking. Brain hurty.

[balmy moss]

Maybe there's a hidden keybind

That's not listed

That seems too mean though

[steady rock]

Try the konami code XD

[heavy ridge]

Stg if someone puts in the Konami code and a hint for eldering pops up I would die laughing.
(Not gonna happen)
I still don't think full elder, or full elder for each dragon is a prerequisite to active eldering, he thought we could figure it out within two weeks, the fastest time to elder on a 2x server is still nearly 3. If it's passive elder related at all (and at this point I'm starting to doubt if we didn't jump to the wrong conclusion) it would have to be partial elder.
"Become that which you seek so that you may seek what you wish to become" could just as easily refer to "stronger" or "older" as it could "elder"

[steady rock]

I mean a hint about if we tried already or got close to the solution just gave up would be realy apreciated XD

[balmy moss]

A hint saying we were on the right track would cause anarchy

Lol

There have been so many theories.

But I think you are right. Cause even 25% elder theories, seems a bit far for figuring out in 2 weeks.

And the rumors of pvp clans figuring out elder is a bit far-fetched, cause at this point whoever figures it out would be a small celebrity in the community.

Who wouldn't claim it?

Also I've gone back 30 days in messages and I can't find the quote non-campable or solo. Does anyone have links to it?

Although I haven't looked I to someone asking this and him replying no-yes. So ill check again when I have time.

[pulsar swift]

Reject dragonism, become bug

[balmy moss]

I doubled checked nothing upto a month ago

I know there's a person that's down it. Has anyone just fed on mushrooms as a hatchling to adult?

[pulsar swift]

Yes, 1-2 people tried to my knowledge

[balmy moss]

Cause they replaced all the mushrooms with 1.0 release with red ones right? So why only red mushrooms unless it's for something in the future.

Or just to clear clutter

Hmm ok

[pulsar swift]

I think that was from the same Q&A where Jao said he didnt think shrooms were dragony enough. That he wanted a non-campable option.

Us focusing on it being soloable is just a result of an official no clan server existing

[balmy moss]

I'll check q&a in a bit or it was a stream?

[pulsar swift]

Think it was a stream/vc

I wasn't here for it, didnt know about the game at that point even

[balmy moss]

Hmm ok. So right now we can't take solo and non camp-able as fact atm in my opinion.

Have we tried... picking up mushrooms?

Maybe we need to do something to the mushrooms.

🍄

[barren cave]

Is the fact that Jao has specifically said no mushrooms not in the document in the pins?

[balmy moss]

I'll have to check the document again. But I've gone back a month in messages and only saw the two hints mentioned by him

[barren cave]

Well, i think that info is more then just a month old

You're going to have to go back several months and watch Q&A vids to scrap together all the info we've gotten

[balmy moss]

Hmm ok

[barren cave]

So ducuments is the best bet and easiest atm. Unless you want to do a deep dive through everything for missed hints or things that hasn't been written in the doc

[balmy moss]

So right now, we don't have facts. Just the two hints. Cause anything in streams I take it he's said "I would like to.. or I think.." I'll need to watch them. Cause there's no guarantee that's he has done those things.. but they are leads.

Just trying to find the border of the canvas that we are working with.

[upbeat igloo]

I believe it was a stream before the 1.0 release that Jao said himself that he wanted to get rid of the mushroom idea (don’t quote me though)

[barren cave]

If it has anything to do with mushrooms, i'll litterally shred up my left sock and bake it into a lasagna and eat it. It's not mushrooms, can't be after all the talk about how they aren't "dragony" enough

Almost wrote left shoe, but since i fully intend to honor my words i figured a sock would be easier xD

[turbid prawn]

I’ve tried picking up mushrooms before while tired but then again I struggle to even grab bugs so we could test that make

Sock lasagna

[barren cave]

Indeed, that's how confident i am that it won't be mushrooms

[regal oriole]

Take a mushroom and bring it to a crystal to infuse it with elder Power xD

[barren cave]

XD

[turbid prawn]

Bake shrooms in cave with your special bile until golden brown

[balmy moss]

Lol. Well rhino said he's thinking about changing elder again for 1.01 so that tells me he's thought something better, he's not happy with it, or he thinks we are having a hard time figuring it out.

[regal oriole]

All of it

[barren cave]

He's changing it because nobody could figure it out

[balmy moss]

He did say it's endgame but at the same time thought we could figure it out in 2 weeks?

[barren cave]

Hope someone finds it before that happens tho, but i think nobody will and he's gonna end up changing it

[balmy moss]

We big dum dum

I want to be a mini celebrity

I did think of a theory, but it's gonna make people mad.

[barren cave]

Tell us

[balmy moss]

I'm afraid to say it

Literally

[barren cave]

Worst that could happen is it get's disproved very fast. But nobody is going to be angry

[turbid prawn]

Eat the passive elder

[barren cave]

People are just over it with how much that has been tried

[turbid prawn]

Let its flesh buff you

[balmy moss]

sigh what if you need the ancient bloodline title?

[barren cave]

Nope

[regal oriole]

Nope

[barren cave]

That's patreon, and that would never happen 🙂

See? Nobody is mad, it just got disproven reeeal quick xD

[regal oriole]

XD

[balmy moss]

I'm still gonna test it for the giggles

[rapid radish]

I think it's one of he streams he might have said it at some point, I don't think he has written it anywhere

[barren cave]

Im pretty sure people who has that title already has tried stuff, but knock yourself out 🙂

[slender arrow]

There only 2 things it could be “ remember he said “ endgame “ making it to elder is Endgame, he wants it to be grinding which is understandable since the current elders now are strong then the once in legacy with the 3 extra points he pretty much said in the last hit you most become elder to achieve Elder I’m assuming that when you reach elder you would unlock the way to elder on the other species.. but it doesn’t make sense because. You would just have to reach elder ASD since it’s the fastest and just elder your other dragons …so the only thing it could be is (Elder your dragon passively unlock the ability to elder on that dragon after it dies so when your nested and reach adult you won’t have to passive wait ever 12 hours and instead you could do it how he intended . Hits the new elder system

[barren cave]

But 200$ for fully accessing a core gameplay mechanic? I don't think so

[balmy moss]

300

[slender arrow]

That’s a lie cuz I have the gold skin and I’m not elder yet lol 😂

If dude made it a paid thing the game would die instantly

[barren cave]

Riiight, forgot title was above 200 xD

My point still stands tho

Nothing changes

[rapid radish]

If you have to make the sock lasagna, I will want pics as proof xd

[barren cave]

Oh don't worry, i'll make a vid 🙂

Won't have to tho

[steady rock]

Crazy idea...what if elementals are ín fact ín the game they just didn't disclose of them because they are part of the eldering process...and to unlock the elemental you have To... sacrifice an Elder...the most dragony endgame thing currently would be fighting elementals (and they implemented the preorder skin As well, so...hint?)

[rapid radish]

But he thought we could reach elder in 2 weeks, bc of the old blitz schedule

[slender arrow]

There not lol

[slender arrow]

Jeo said they weren’t in game yet because they need the mega map for them

[slender arrow]

Who thought ?

[rapid radish]

Well Jao 😄

[slender arrow]

He thought we could reach elder in 2 weeks ?

I’m not understanding your question or statement

[barren cave]

Also, being secretive and answering questions with redacted, is an ENTIRELY different thing to just outright lying. I think people need to give them a bit more credit..

[rapid radish]

Okay, so Jao said after the first update that if we don't figure out eldering before Blitz comes out (at that point the time frame for that was 2 weeks), he would change it. So he thought we had the possibility to figure it out in 2 weeks.

[slender arrow]

Oh I didn’t know he said that lol 😂

Cuz that’s impossible

[barren cave]

Not if you found the method

[rapid radish]

excatly 😄

[balmy moss]

Crazy thought

[rapid radish]

so even if it's endgame, endgame has to then be possible to reach in 2 weeks

[slender arrow]

This being said that means his lying

[barren cave]

What is he lying about?

[slender arrow]

Cuz the last hit he gave was you most reach elder to achieve elder

[barren cave]

False'

[slender arrow]

False ?

[pulsar swift]

Does it really mean that tho?

[barren cave]

That's just how some people interpreted the bad hint

[pulsar swift]

^

[rapid radish]

exactly

[balmy moss]

Has anyone tried eating their own dragon egg cooked/uncooked. Or tried destroying their own nests. Cause dragons can be buttheads. Is that dragony?

[rapid radish]

become what you seek...

[barren cave]

If you don't quote something word for word, it could mean something else

[rapid radish]

you cannot eat eggs 😄

[slender arrow]

Become that what you seek

Isn’t become elder ?

Or am just stupid?

[barren cave]

Not necessarily, could also be just getting the first elder tick

[slender arrow]

Lmfao

Become that what you seek

Is getting the first tick ????

[balmy moss]

Rusty that's the thought but becoming elder is a +2 week process by passive

[slender arrow]

My brain 🧠 is like fried right now

[rapid radish]

from the doc, so we get the exact wording

[barren cave]

That's why i said its a bad hint.. hints while being vague is obviously not Jao's strong side

[summer arch]

I won't trust him thinking it can be made in 2 weeks when the schedule got well over being late

[slender arrow]

Fair enough but how is become that what you seek getting the first tick lmfao 🤣

[balmy moss]

Or it's so easy he has to be vague

[rapid radish]

we also thought that maybe "elder" might mean a granparent, but that hasn't yielded anything yet

[slender arrow]

If you wanna say it’s bad hit it’s cool but

[summer arch]

I think time management or guessing is not his strongest point so assuming based on that is imo not the way

[barren cave]

Because going by the first step hint, that could be the first step to actually starting your prog 😛

[rapid radish]

but he saids that when the schedule was still in place

[barren cave]

You can't take such a bad hint too litterally

[slender arrow]

If you can’t decipher become that what you seek as Become elder you need to go back to fourth grade cuz it’s not that complex of a hit lmfao

[summer arch]

It's literally the Point I'm proving

His time management and guessing isn't good

[barren cave]

And getting hung up on "Become that what you seek" and immedietly take it at face value as meaning fully becoming elder doesn't make sence when the hint is that bad

[balmy moss]

Bio is the only dragon that can't elder why? And is that reasoning worked into the new system? Probably not cause that decision for bio was made well before this new elder system.

[barren cave]

Too small, class 1 and 2 dragons don't elder

[rapid radish]

it's based on the class system

[slender arrow]

So how would you interpret? Become that what you seek in game were we are trying to reach elder I’m curious

[summer arch]

Because in the game tier 1 and 2 can't elder its that simple

[compact reef]

on official server it takes 40 days for elder how is that 2 weeks

on ss

[balmy moss]

Apple thats why we are against those theories atm

[barren cave]

That's why the hint is bad, there's TOO many ways to interpret. As i previously said, it could also just be getting that first tick, your first little elder growth

[slender arrow]

Yep im out peace ✌️

[balmy moss]

Or it could be just hatching yourself l.. it do be crazy

[rapid radish]

also if I wanna be precise, we are seeking the method to activel eldering and you cannot become that, lel xD

[summer arch]

That's the thing tho

He gave very vague things before

Worst hints that this become what you seek

It's the most relevant and actual hint he threw out there so far

[rapid radish]

I feel you, I have lost my sanity long ago xD

[barren cave]

Indeed

same here

[vale mortar]

From what Ive been told - not confirming just again what Ive been told. That last time Jao put in elder system, it was never in the actual game but informed that it was. 🤷‍♀️

[slender arrow]

No toto become that what you seek is getting your first elder tick you don’t know what your talking about let’s go back to play Minecraft

[balmy moss]

I thought maybe you had to grow each dragon to adult but someone ruled that out

[rapid radish]

and ofc it can be like the weather and it wouldn't be a lie 😄

[slender arrow]

The response I got made me lose brain cells

[balmy moss]

Maybe you need to log all your dragons in one area with spawn menu.

[summer arch]

To me that's the first step of the ladder hint

[barren cave]

Not saying getting the first tick IS what it means, but that you can't be sure yet

[vale mortar]

cause like it doesnt make sense.. why would Jao completely change how eldering works if no one figures it out instead of just telling us how to do it

[rapid radish]

sure, but we have 2 elders and they haven't found anything either yet,so...

[slender arrow]

To my 3 year old niece it’s also the same lmfao 🤣 it’s easiest hint in hint history

[summer arch]

Makes sense also with getting to elder with passive tics hard, and when you figure out the active way from there cool

[balmy moss]

He might not completely change it but make it "easier"

[barren cave]

Then why has the elders not found anything new? 😉 Because we don't know if fully passive growing elder is what that hint means

[slender arrow]

Because it could be that once you die on that and become adult boom your elder or not like that but like you can actively elder instead of passively elder

[summer arch]

Because they're only two? Lmao

[balmy moss]

Basically add a ramp next to the ladder

[summer arch]

It's not the same as if there was 50 elders

Its the first 2 after a month

Before that it was idk how many people on adults

[slender arrow]

Besides the passive tick or the first tick how else would you interpret become that what you seek?

[rapid radish]

I think that can be possible and Ulta is gonna test that in....idk, 2 weeks? xD

[slender arrow]

It would mean sacrificing in elder but it’s for science

[barren cave]

Just right at the top of my head, it could be time played on a specific dragon, but i also think that would be a little unlikely

[summer arch]

They technically have to go through a month o rn theories but as only two

[rapid radish]

well, it could also mean like a elder of the family, like a grandparent and that is one theory we are currently trying 🙂

[balmy moss]

The problem with this is that if that's the first hint then it's basically guaranteed cause you get that first tick pretty fast after adult.

[barren cave]

Time played would equate age

[summer arch]

It won't be cracked in two days

[balmy moss]

My reasoning aint that great though

[barren cave]

But as i said, i think it's unlikely

[slender arrow]

Time played equals age ( passive tick)

[balmy moss]

But I do agree with you rusty cause it makes sense

[slender arrow]

Which = getting to elder

[barren cave]

No, you can have many tics with less than 1 hour played

[slender arrow]

Which= you most become elder

[slender arrow]

But we don’t lmfao

[barren cave]

Lol, yes? You do realize you can log in for 5min, get your tick, and log out

[summer arch]

Yeah but think of pve and the amount of nesting, the amount of grandparents on those server is probably huge

[barren cave]

then do the same next day

[slender arrow]

So the hint he gave means become elder first !!!! It’s not that complicated how we do it after that is the million dollar question

[barren cave]

How do you know the hint means we need to become fully elder from passive?

Proof?

[rapid radish]

well actually not, bc of renesting for stats, we have all the familymembers alive and not renested

[slender arrow]

It could be that you can elder other dragons it could be that once you die and become adult you can actively elder that dragon

With oout waiting 12 hours

[balmy moss]

For ir .9 per tick every 12 hours. Which is basically 27days for 25%

[slender arrow]

It’s

In

The

[summer arch]

I guess you're right actually

[slender arrow]

Hint

Lmfao literally in the hint

[summer arch]

I like the theory

It also make sense

[slender arrow]

I like you

[rapid radish]

I want my whole fam online for my next elder tick to see if it affects anything 😄

that reminds me @sterile isle @rough root can you be online tonight? :p

[slender arrow]

Become that what you seek can’t be a tick the tick is a tick 1 take dosnt make you anyone you don’t become anything when you get 1 tick so it can’t be that lmfao that’s what I’m trying to argue

[final cargo]

smifnoff has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[balmy moss]

THIS AUTO CORRECT IS MAKING ME MAD

[slender arrow]

I got banned for 3 days cuz of it lmfao 🤣

[balmy moss]

I was trying to type asd and now I got warned for the other word

[slender arrow]

Lmfao 🤣

SAME bro

You’re using your phone ?

[balmy moss]

Mod for the love of puppies pls wipe that from my record

Yes phone

[slender arrow]

Yep

Always happens to me

[rough root]

I shoooould be able to

[barren cave]

I'll add my right sock to the lasagna as well if it's required to passively elder one of your dragons first

[rough root]

SMIFF

YOU SAID BAD WORD

[summer arch]

But I like the theory of staying alive ad a grandparent in game

As*

It's technically an elder without the status

[rough root]

That is what we testin' yas 🙏

So far I've not seen or heard anything new on my 'grandparent'

[balmy moss]

I ment to say asd

[rough root]

Lemme guess. It wanted you to say it but with an s instead of the d.

[summer arch]

On my side I'll try with the passive elder once I get there

[rough root]

Yeah no way I'm saying it

[rapid radish]

I'm still waiting my granbabus to grow adult, maybe that unlocks something 🤷‍♀️

[vale mortar]

no he stated he would be changing it if no one figured it out by 1.0.1 xD

[balmy moss]

Well first it changed it to and then I tried changing it again but fat thumbed it

[rapid radish]

just start calling it doggo xD

[summer arch]

Its okay smif you're allowed to like asd

[balmy moss]

I'm taking a break

[rapid radish]

fandom is sus about your explanation smiff xD

[rough root]

"Don't believe it for a second"

snrk

Lad definitely meant to write the bad word.

[balmy moss]

Blagh

[rough root]

Wh-... what... what is that reaction.

[rapid radish]

which one? xD

[rough root]

garrito

[cosmic river]

[rough root]

I am... My brain is trying to comprehend what it is.

[rapid radish]

I can't even see it xD

[cosmic river]

[rough root]

And my brain is failing miserably.

[rapid radish]

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-community-too-small-to-read-read-reading-gif-5494204

[cosmic river]

lets get back to the topic

[rough root]

OH, rainworld stuff. Okay. Right, yes.

[cosmic river]

eldering

[rough root]

THE ELDERING OF ELDERS

[cosmic river]

YES

[rapid radish]

Sorry 😄

[rough root]

<cracks knuckles.... sits down to grow a baby>

[compact berry]

My theory... You must become old to become an elder

[rapid radish]

Well hopefuly bamboo can come online tonight for a minute, so I can see if that affects my granma 🤔

[rough root]

I mean. TECHNICALLY not wrong Hivemind xD

[tepid haven]

I still feel like having an all A dragon is involved. We all seek becoming high stat, then once highstat within the community is there, eldering can start. Solo players can still be nested in, they just don’t actively take part in gameplay with groups or clans.

[cosmic river]

thats what ive been thinking!

[balmy moss]

I say we are hatching premature and need to stay in the egg longer

[rapid radish]

Well I hope we learn from the megaclans if that is true 😅

[deft spruce]

thats what ive been saying

[rough root]

Alas, currently, the only A blq dragons I've got are on private servers. The only one I know on an official is on a VERY active PvP server and aint no way I'm going on there.

[deft spruce]

elder = Senior = old = live for a long time

[rough root]

T'is also why we are exploring the 'elder of the lineage' theory

[balmy moss]

Is elder clan based maybe meaning you need to be the leader of a clan.

[tepid haven]

That would constitute passive eldering tho, no?

[balmy moss]

Whether not anyone's in that clan

[deft spruce]

not necessarily

[compact berry]

someone sit in an egg for 2 weeks straight

[balmy moss]

I'll do it. Don't tempt me

[rough root]

Desperate times. Desperate measures.

[balmy moss]

I just won't be able to type in chat while in an egg

[compact berry]

You wont be able to do anything

[tepid haven]

Sounds boring

[rough root]

I am also, of course... hoping that the active method won't be locked entirely to 'official settings only' - I'm thinking particularly on servers with 2x growth rates. Has to work for them too.

Work on all mapz

[deft spruce]

u get elder every 12 hours, but most people just log in on the 12th hour, so lets say u grow ur dragon for 2-3 hours, then u log off and only get on for elder, that means you only get like 10-20 minutes on ur dragons age per 12 hours, but if you stay online on ur dragon for several hours, that would be active aging (atleast thats how i see it)

[balmy moss]

Hmm dr. Good theory I don't know ow how long I've been on the same dragon for certain time. Probably at most 2-5h

[deft spruce]

exactly

[tepid haven]

Ok yeah fair to some extent. Though I feel like someone would have noticed this then. Someone in the clan I am in on PVE has kept their spawn SS from day 1. They have only gotten passive ticks. Not sure how often they play it when I am not online bit I have seen them hang on on that dragon often.

[pulsar swift]

I'm 26 but with the spine of a 150 year old, why am I not getting instant elders

[tepid haven]

Mood

[rough root]

I have been on the same dragon for hoooours. (Roleplay tends to do that)

[tepid haven]

Yes it does XD

[sterile isle]

Should be able to :)

[rapid radish]

Oh btw, I haven't posted our Princess in a while 💜

[rapid radish]

yay!

[pulsar swift]

I genuinely wish my spine comment was a joke right now but its not everything that can be bad with it, is bad. Its about as useful as a bio in a fight vs 4 IRs

Actually maybe thats the answer. Has anyone tried to bring their hatchies around the map, carry them around to see the world?

[rapid radish]

(ntw, I don't post that pic to insult anyone, it's just the eldering chat inside joke and this pic is just sooo chefs kiss xD)

[pulsar swift]

Maybe drop them off on Big Snowy to either get down on their own or starve?

[rough root]

I mean. You're welcome to try it out.

[pulsar swift]

My fiancé loves the pic of princess Jao

[rapid radish]

I haven't done that exactly, but I have taken my child and grandchild above the cloud and then flied with them down, but nothing happened 😄

[pulsar swift]

I would if I could sit infront of my PC for more than 5 minutes but its currently not possible

[rapid radish]

Have you already laid on the floor with your legs on 90 degree angle?

it takes all my back pain away always

[balmy moss]

Crow did you guys grow Two generations in one sitting?

[rapid radish]

no, 2 sittings

[balmy moss]

If it's like mela unlock I wonder

[rapid radish]

but we were there for our grandbabus birth 😄

[pulsar swift]

The pain is a result from a slightly skewed herniated disk surgery (L3-L4) which restricted the blood flow to L5-S1 and caused osteochondrosis, which led to another herniated disk at L4-L5. So its more a nerve pain

[rough root]

Yeah, not in one sitting xD

[rapid radish]

I'm sorry to hear that, I hope you feel better soon!

[balmy moss]

So if we do two generations in one sitting all in one area. No elder just have the first tic on the first generation. Then have the 2nd generation to adult then have them nest

And it's repeatable for the next generation

[pulsar swift]

I'm trying everything I can to get back to elder investigation who needs to work when theres a riddle that must be answered

[rapid radish]

IKR, or who needs to keep up with uni, when this is still unsolved

[tepid haven]

Can’t solvw a riddle if you don’t make bills by not working tho :o

[heavy ridge]

It was minimum, 2 end-of-year streams back.

[pulsar swift]

I can do nothing for 2 weeks and still get paid

[tepid haven]

That is a beautiful thing to have time off

[heavy ridge]

Possible to figure out in 2 weeks, not necessarily grind to completion

[tepid haven]

If eldering is related to all A stats, the pve server I am on has a hobble. They clan up with metric load of alts, and don’t like openly nesting unlike when everyone was working for bloodline A quality. So upstatting has stunted progress a lot.

[viral lark]

I have a feeling it probs is related to stats, or at least one of the initial steps is anyways

[balmy moss]

For all the critical role critters, maybe we need to cast divination three times.

[balmy moss]

Could be

[pulsar swift]

hides the goat, candles and pentagram mat in the closet

[rough root]

Time to go full Hag Witch of the Woods up in this

[viral lark]

It's a grind, the long run of upstatting could be seen as climbing a ladder

[balmy moss]

I like it and hate it at the same time

[rough root]

For sure. But definitely not soloable.

If that's even going to be a thing, since we've yet to get confirmtion on it.

[balmy moss]

Also accidently bonked my nest sister last night so we can rule that theory out.

[rough root]

No incest. Got it 🤣

[balmy moss]

Besides the a stat nesting and 2-3 generation nesting in 1 sitting I think we're capped on theories atm

[tepid haven]

The only issue with the nesting is the “not campable” desire, tho nesting isn’t campable it is capped in a way when clans stick to alts and don’t give back, just take eggs. Could rule it out as an option, or could be an oversight to how players could exclude or cut off over all community (ie “camping”)

Just something to think about

[mellow dawn]

Maybe that’s why there is going to be such a big updated surrounding nesting as a whole to completely rework it into a way where it’s no longer camping but more grinding!

[balmy moss]

Im gonna work towards getting the sanctuary server to[A] stat on ss. Been making good hatchling usually with my 0e2c so I'm wondering I should egg hop one more time or get the dom mutation on it.

[stuck minnow]

Imagine having one nest of each dragon type all in a circle (pentagram maybe 👀 ) it's night time, everyone's glowed up, and a hatchling hatches from each one at a time with baby screaming then parent, then next baby hatches. Ect ect ect

Poof babys become instant elder! (this is a joke, pls don't munch me)

[pulsar swift]

Yeet the bad hatchies to the middle of the pentagram, make a corpse pile. When they start despawning, an elder will spawn from the corpses

[rapid radish]

Yeah, but if we need to reach elder passively, we cannot test things to figure it out in 2 weeks, if you understand what I mean 😅

[rapid radish]

Well there is still the nesting an elder pair, but... 😅

Hatchie pentagram theories xD

[pulsar swift]

Honestly at this point, sacrifices to the evil dragon gods sound as plausible as anything else

[stuck minnow]

Hmmm, where would be the perfect spot to summon an elder with hatchie offerings?

[compact berry]

top of snowy

[balmy moss]

If you fly from snowy peak you can just almost fly into the aurora borealis. I think I just missed it so I'm gonna try again. To mark it off the list.

[urban mantle]

still loosing our minds huh?

[pulsar swift]

Nah man, already lost it

[rough root]

Our sanity was never there to begin with.

[wild shore]

I really think it has to do with passively unlocking the first point(the 25% or whatever it is) with your daily ticks before you can start finding the active method. I’m pretty close to that on my asd and ss then I’ll try testing things again

[somber shuttle]

I’m at about 50% on my asd, been running around the map with it. Nothing yet but as soon as something pops out to me this chat will be the first to see 😂
Quickly losing hope and motivation though

[wild shore]

Mmmm

[balmy moss]

throws the towel

(Rocky reference)

[untold barn]

28000 messages, yeah very long gone

[rough root]

Extremely.

Also not at all hard to keep track of what people are doing so I can update the docs, guys feel free to PING ME. Ya'll have my permission to ping me when you try something and it doesn't pan out xD

[urban mantle]

hmm still think its only passive thats in at the moment

[rough root]

It's been confirmed that there is an active method.

[urban mantle]

how longs it been since the 1.0 came out now a month?

if we cant find anything with in a year lmfao they better off just telling us

[rough root]

Granted, it's the mods that have confirmed this and not Jao himself. BUT. The mods know that there is one. They just don't know which. Only Jao knows.

[urban mantle]

so still a possibility it didnt even get put in

[balmy moss]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-5852775606711249238

[rough root]

I'm more leaning towards that there is indeed a method that is yet undiscovered.

[balmy moss]

But gotta keep going

[rough root]

The mods have, very likely, been told so by Jao. But they have merely not been told what exactly that method is.

[urban mantle]

also did they say you have to elder to even get the a stats in a bl genetics?

[balmy moss]

Ok im just gonna say this once. I know there's doubt and it just plain sucks that we haven't figured it out, but jao would not lead us on like this if it wasn't in the game. I know it's easy to get down and I'm feeling it right now, but it's there.

[rough root]

Right. I'm off to make owl booties and then dinner.

[balmy moss]

Laters

[rough root]

A+, A++, A+++

But no A

[balmy moss]

Well technically just get dom on both for a+

What it sounds like

We will find out soon on that

[urban mantle]

yeah and to get dom you have to elder -_-

also fighing the e stats from grandparents is a nightmare

[balmy moss]

First elder mutation is at 25% elder

[urban mantle]

it still takes forever

[balmy moss]

Yes. Just clarifying

...maybe you just need to carry your hatchling for an extended amount of time. Don't need to fly just have it in your mouth for a bit.

[somber shuttle]

I think a group had tried this a couple days ago? Or maybe they tried something else with lineage

[balmy moss]

They are sort of doing this and there's another theory of in one sitting creating 2-3 generations.

But that was in two sittings.

Might have to be in one go like the mela skin unlockable

[somber shuttle]

If it was that though, its not soloable

[balmy moss]

Solo-able and camp-able are from a stream awhile back. I'm ignoring that for now.

[remote meteor]

Something like that. Im thinking full growth without assistance plus passive eldering to ulock the ability for the rest of your dragons to discover the rest of the eldering system or maybe to increase the tics for the rest of your dragons.... maybe??? its grindy, accessible by everyone, not campable and follows the hints

[balmy moss]

I could spawn all unlocked dragons and raise them to adult but I dont want to get rid of my ss.

But that theory would make it another passive elder tick after you activate it which wouldn't really make sense

[rapid belfry]

They said they would tell us when blitz is out if we hadn’t figured it out yet i think

[balmy moss]

He said he was gonna change it, if we don't figure it out when blitz comes out.

[devout anvil]

kinda smells

[rapid belfry]

Hmmm

[urban mantle]

hmmmm

[rapid belfry]

HMMMM

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Lookin like its gonna be changed if noone has found it

[urban mantle]

almost sounds like to me that its not even in and will be put in with blitz im just so suspicious of it

[rapid belfry]

No its definitely in the game

[urban mantle]

yall have seemed to try everything almost and still nothing

[rapid belfry]

They wouldn’t lead us on for shits and giggles

[balmy moss]

But I want to be famous

[devout anvil]

i’m still convinced there isn’t a second method, and him saying he’ll “change it when blitz drops” is just just a coverup for it really being added-in

[urban mantle]

im still sus of it

[rapid belfry]

Maybe we just haven’t tried the simplest things…?

[devout anvil]

i’ve done everything at this point lmao

[rapid belfry]

I still think the second method unlocks when you passive it

Thats the only explanation

Seek what you become to become what you seek?

This

[devout anvil]

i’ll try eldering my asd in Sanc. But i’m pretty doubtful

[rapid belfry]

Watch it just be passiveing it

[balmy moss]

When I nest today I'm gonna try to eat the eggs

[rapid belfry]

Oop

[urban mantle]

i also still think the crystals do something

[rapid belfry]

I do too

[devout anvil]

i’m pretty sure we’ve basically tried everything

I even tried to touch the aurora borealis once lmao

(I hit the skybox ceiling and dropped straight back down :( )

[urban mantle]

at this point just bring back the mushrooms T.T and make them spawn liek crazy T.T

[devout anvil]

randomized spawns in a certain area like EF or misty/craters would be cool

That’d be campable

the method is non-campable

[urban mantle]

its suposed to be solo they say

[devout anvil]

supposedly

[balmy moss]

Each stage is a process. Growth. Even the old elder mushrooms took time time= growth so we are looking at something that takes time.

Not an instant lvl up

Writing down my thoughts

[urban mantle]

any of you pvp players

ill bet someone from a pvp clan knows and is gatekeeping the secret

[north geode]

Have you ever wondered why wyvern and stalker grow slower than Plasma and drake?
Perhaps this has already been written about, but it seems to me that elder growth will accumulate faster in the natural habitat of each species.

[turbid copper]

Because they are higher class

[north geode]

I'm not arguing but that's my guess.

[urban mantle]

i am so bored on dve all alone

[north geode]

Why?

[turbid copper]

Bigger dragons take longer to grow

[north geode]

bruh

[urban mantle]

why are people so crazy about pve ugh

[north geode]

agree

Cant wait play as Elemental

☠️

[slender arrow]

Every time I come in this channel and read everyone theories I get diarrhea

It’s simple become elder so you can unlock elder !!!!

Thank you come again

It’s what he said in his hint

He just used fancy words and riddles but if you read it close his literally telling you the first step

[slender arrow]

Pve is fun we get to sit and look at the water 💦 and do nothing

[rapid radish]

@sterile isle and @rough root , tell me when you are able to log in ^^

[urban mantle]

you could do the same thing in dve right now

[slender arrow]

You can’t cuz you can be attacked

[rapid radish]

everyone has their preferences, no need to talk bad about them 🙂

[slender arrow]

The goal is to set there and enjoy your 4 fps

You should try it

[urban mantle]

dve is dragons versus elemental there is no elementals yet

[stuck minnow]

Because progress made isn't lost if a gang of 4 adults roll up on you and your friends nesting

[slender arrow]

No thanks don’t want a giant rock thrown at me

[urban mantle]

cowards

you can just fly away lmfao

[rapid radish]

everybody has the right to enjoy different aspects and game modes of the game 🙂

[slender arrow]

Joins us in the pve life it’s magical you nest at Island 🏝️ you can nest anywhere you can sing Kumbaya you can stare at the trees and wonder 💭 are trees people ? Pve life is great

[slender arrow]

There combat you can jump off a cliff dive bomb 💣 smack your self in the face to 1 hp then run to bug and have the fight for your life

[rapid radish]

we get it, you are not a fan of pve, now can we get back to eldering please

[slender arrow]

Lmfao i literally play on a pve server but okay 👌

[slender arrow]

Plus I already figured out eldering

[rapid radish]

Good for you, now go prove your theory 😄

[rough root]

Well if you proved it, where is it? This place is for sharing your findings and testing potential theories

[urban mantle]

has anyone explored the thickly forrested parrs of the map to see if theres anything weve missed

[rapid radish]

I think someone said they have been around the whole map 🤔

[urban mantle]

running or flying?

[rough root]

I think a lot of people have been honestly.

[rapid radish]

Not sure, I think it was Athena?

My memory is not the best, so I might be mistaken xD

[rapid belfry]

i checked around the entire map as well. spent all yesterday doing it

[slender arrow]

I tried running even swim the swamp lake on asd nothing someone said fly above the clouds nothing

[burnt sphinx]

Went thro a lot of places as Elder asd (passiv growth) taking sniffs here and there also exploring some "remote" places so far found nutin so far

[rough root]

As for this. Alas, it's not yet proven by the few who HAS reached elder through passives. They have not found anything out of the ordinary, not on the elder, or other dragons :)

[rapid belfry]

rusty. you just said you figured it out. what did you figure out?

[summer arch]

That he needs to chill lmao

[rough root]

I'm guessing you've seen nothing unusual on your other dragons as well? (Would be in-line with the others anyway xD)

[burnt sphinx]

yea sadly

[rapid belfry]

bruh im sorry but that one theorypost about someone being prompted to dig up gems was bs

ive gone to both sinkholes. spent like 3 hours at each. nothing.

on all kinda dragons

[rapid radish]

You have a full elder? Have you logged on to your other dragons to see if anything is different for them?

[rough root]

Definitely thinking it was as well alas.

[slender arrow]

So it could be that you unlock elder progress on the.current species you passively elder. So when you die and become adult that species has the elder system unlocked

[rough root]

It was from a clan, alas.

[rapid belfry]

watch this be what it is

[burnt sphinx]

No diffrences still same tick % from what i can tell

[rough root]

Alas, currently? Entirely unconfirmed. Though some are planning to test this.

[rapid belfry]

like straight up. noones just taken the time to passively elder

[slender arrow]

Remember he said he wants it grinding

[rapid belfry]

exactly

[rough root]

Several has, Sinnoh.

[rapid belfry]

people have elders?

[rough root]

Yes.

From passive growth.

[rapid belfry]

well then.

hm

[rough root]

And people are trying to utilize that as well.

[rapid belfry]

maybe you have to elder on all the dragons

passively

[rough root]

See if they can find anything different.

[rapid belfry]

then it unlocks?

[slender arrow]

It’s nonsense but if he wants it a grinding thing because he doesn’t want 40 elders then it makes sense

[rapid radish]

Okay, IF you feel like it, one of the theories is, that you need to kill your elder to unlock the active method on that species, like mela unlock

[rapid belfry]

he said he wanted it to be grindy. maybe you make the acheivement of eldering ALL the dragons passively.

[slender arrow]

Yep

[rapid belfry]

then you unlock it

[rough root]

And I know Athena plans on testing a few things, and then offing their elder to see if the next one is different.

[rapid belfry]

hmmm

[slender arrow]

That’s a viable theory as well

[burnt sphinx]

But wasnt it also said somewhere you sac your elder for Elemental? <.<

[rough root]

I need to state this VERY clearly: this is an entirely unconfirmed method. Another theory.