#New Elder System

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fading canyon
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My poor dragons nose is gonna fall off at this rate

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its pretty much a whole lotta nada

sterile isle
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Callmepancake is doing a stream on YT trying to figure out eldering

fading canyon
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For anyone wanting to watch along

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here is the link to the stream

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Currently rn hes searching for the orbs mentioned earlier

rough root
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Oh. Interesting.

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Time to take note of more people finding orb things. So such.

fading canyon
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imma take a np then ill hop back on to look for some more, i dont think he has much info on the orbs as of yet

rough root
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Hek I'll take a look.

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Not me watching like a hawk and listening like a hawk now.

fading canyon
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not

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not like a crow?

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:c

rough root
compact kindle
rough root
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Okay. Okay. Like a CROW.

fading canyon
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LOL

rough root
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Literally adding what you said was said earlier on the stream now.

fading canyon
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what was said that i said, that got said earlier? puppyeyes

rough root
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That they had seen the orbs. I heard something about them being in the foliage? From his friend?

fading canyon
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OHH right right, i think the whole foliage thing might just be lighting textures

rough root
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Quite possibly. I'm noting it down for a potential docs add though!

fading canyon
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Ofc!

sterile isle
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Pancake also just messaged Locke for more info. Nothing back as of yet but Locke is on Australia time lol

rough root
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Oof.

sterile isle
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Also you just got mentioned Crow ppl are highly recommending you for info on theories

rough root
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Oh hek I just compile stuff.

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(And check some things but they never lead anywhere >:( )

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Anything back from this Locke fella?

edgy mulch
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Ngl I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a system at this point and we are "suddenly gonna find out what it is" once some of the soft release updates come out

sterile isle
rough root
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Dang

sterile isle
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Keeping my ears peeled

edgy mulch
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Has anyone tried looking into the game files or is that not allowed lol? I mean if you've downloaded it surely you can just access it to figure out if it has a requirement or not without altering files

pliant violet
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That's an idea

edgy mulch
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Like (just a really basic example I know nothing of how things work) you look at a piece of code or whatever and in a "nutshell" it reads something like denying elder ticks without X requirement met

Again, just a quick mock up I know nothing of how it could actually work

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Just need someone with experience in this area to try figure it out and I reckon it could be found relatively easily

rough root
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Lemme know if he says something about them orbs @sterile isle <3 I'll be updating the docs with a few things.

sterile isle
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Atm he's getting loads of ppl on the server to spread far and wide to search the map for orbs

edgy mulch
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Orbs?

rough root
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Eon Theories basically.

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(Named so because it started with him)

edgy mulch
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Mhm I see

mint tulip
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we need to find the dragon orbs

edgy mulch
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Had anyone tried datamining then or like??

mint tulip
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i dunno how but i would hope someone has tried

rough root
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The coding is encrypted

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To my understanding.

edgy mulch
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God damnit

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Can I access this doc your talking about though? Or where can i

sterile isle
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On pinned messages here

edgy mulch
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Alr

rough root
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So happy we got that pinned xD

edgy mulch
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It had been said that you can upstat without nesting right? Is that in the current version or not

balmy moss
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idk

tardy perch
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Upstating without nesting is the Pearls.

rough root
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Also there, added Jao's last hint about the whole "Become what you seek so you can seek what you want to become" thing

tardy perch
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(which imo is really bad since that doesn't help you compete with a player who nests AND gets pearls)

rough root
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They're gonna be big ow

edgy mulch
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mhm

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i reckon eldering reqs could just be randomised on a time interval

rough root
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Who knows! But we're still testing everything.

edgy mulch
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with boundaries ofc

rough root
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Roight, got whispered from someone with the locke stuff. So I added what they said.

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Other than that? Well. I think it's time for me to head off to bed, it's 2am XD

sterile isle
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Lol samee

mild smelt
rough root
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Gonna continue to get my passive ticks and hope for the best.

sterile isle
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Also the stream just ended

rough root
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Dang

devout anvil
rough root
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Was hoping to catch them finding something out!

devout anvil
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he stopped the stream as soon as i clicked onto it

rough root
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Awh.

tardy perch
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His thumbnail for the livestream was misleading, but yeah, he found nothing. XD

sterile isle
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Yeah no response from Locke on the stream

tardy perch
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I really wish I had stayed on top of passive eldering, I could have been much further than I am @_@

sterile isle
tardy perch
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Oh yeah it's fine to be exploring things

native yacht
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sup guys

rough root
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And yeah, absolutely Bamboo.

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I'll go and watch it back, see if I can find anything else tomorrow <3

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That we might be able to add.

tardy perch
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I'm at 18% elder on my ASD. Gvie me like........uhhhh...10 days XD

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Jao might beat me though, if the ping thing got sorted finally (it seems like it sicne only the big clans are pitching fits at each other in gen chat for the most part)

native yacht
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Ulta, who are some of the big clans you speak of?

small sedge
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squint passive ticks on SS are listed at 1.2 in the doc
are they always 1.2
like without a doubt?

tardy perch
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On a server with normal growth I beleive so.

tardy perch
small sedge
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I have no idea what I could have done then SCohno where is my extra 0.1 coming from

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tardy perch
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You didn't do anything. The game sometimes will round up a .1 % since the actual precentage is probably like a much larger string of numbers. But I doubt anyone wants to see their precentage of growth at 5.668124903%

small sedge
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Yeah that's why I asked if it was always 1.2 lmao

heavy ridge
tardy perch
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It's as close to 1.2% as possible XD But sometimes yeah it'll show maybe a liiiiittle bit higher. Only get excited if you see a precentage change between your passive elder ticks. Or if the tick is like substantially larger than normal

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But also keep in mind the server you play on, sicne some have 1.5 or 2x growth speed

small sedge
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Official sever here. But yeah probably best to be specific when people ask about %s since they are apparently not always exact 😂

tardy perch
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I'm purposely growing an ASD on a 2x server because I'm too lazy to do it on a official atm XD IR vanilla is .9%, so help me it'll take way too long to use that for testing lol

heavy ridge
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Im still leveling my ir on an official, so that once we find the ~~ ~~ we can test if it works at lower %

rough root
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RIGHT. I'm off to bed lovelies. Always be free to tag me for additions to the docs PurpleHeart

tardy perch
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righto

boreal pike
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Dont tell them of the magic tree 😂

compact reef
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not gonna lie this is a pretty "social" experience to me

stray notch
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anything new?

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also, did someone reach 100% as ASD or smth?

somber shuttle
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They did, no additional messages or clues yet

stray notch
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damn bro

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i better play the isle then lol

naive otter
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i swear if it really is based off A stats rage 😢 cuz right now hints we have that its endgame, and its steps of a ladder. the only thing i can think of what its based off of, is stats....

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Stats are sort of a ladder what else can be?

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only thing in 1.0 til brood that is end game that i can think of is A stats. but still makes no sense

stray notch
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hold on i really remember an old video oflusewing saaying that " the BL in game is rn useless, soon with 1.0 they would let it have a use "

bleak python
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i think every theory just needs .. retried by the people who have eldered (which is a lotta work but like there's not much to go on until more people get there)

stray notch
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useless doesnt mean like totally useless, it means it has nothing special

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and yeah, big chance its that...

bleak python
stray notch
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thats been the case for quiet long lol

bleak python
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yes that's what you said meant

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bl before 1.0 was useless for upstating

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with 1.0 bloodline has a use

stray notch
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hold on so it was like totally useless?!

bleak python
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need bloodline for upstating

stray notch
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how is that? the stats are capped by the bloodline right?

keen spire
stray notch
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the moment i saw him heading to crystals i knew i didnt have to watch it lol

keen spire
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If anyone hasn't seen it yet..

bleak python
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Was the way found or no

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Cause so far it was just them flying around and then they turned off stream to do a bio nesting event

bold tusk
keen spire
somber shuttle
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Putting “how to elder” in the thumbnail is so misleading 😂😂 the clickbait

keen spire
untold barn
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i have a special hate for clickbait thumbnails and frankly its why i dont watch pancakes videos. Because I know whats in the thumbnail is not present or not true or feels very misleading in ways.
I just don't engage, frankly

stray notch
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or even more

untold barn
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you say that like im a regular of his susfox

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im not subbed. i just let them do what they want to bc ultimately its clearly what they like to make. i just dont approve of clickbait and thus dont engage simply because i know clickbait is present

gloomy sand
balmy moss
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Oof

balmy moss
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Alright, back at work so my brain is back brainstorming elder

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So about the riddle. Here's the thing. Does super rhino make jokes alot? Because that riddle really sounds like a Confucius saying.

balmy moss
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What I mean is are we taking it too literal. We assume it's talking about elder cause thats what we are seeking, but maybe there's a step before that. Making becoming elder not the first step. I'm just theorizing. writing down my thoughts.

stray notch
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i have no clue what is going on

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did jao drop thhat riddle?

dawn pelican
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First step, become that which you seek so that you can seek that which you wish to become

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thats the "riddle"

balmy moss
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Thank you shen

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I'm a coward

dawn pelican
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check the pins, theres a document in which everything is summarized

balmy moss
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Oh lol

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Before that they said "steps on a ladder." Meaning this could be a lengthy process

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Or steps

dawn pelican
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he said something about needing to take the first step before you can climb the elder ladder, so we have to do something before we can start

balmy moss
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Yeah I thought the first step could be the first mutation point from elder but no one has seen anything in the mutation branch to support this.

woven isle
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Nope

balmy moss
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There's 26163 messages posted in this thread. That's crazy.

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Serious have you tried anything with elder bile? I know that throws out the solo aspect. But at this point we are just going through process of elimination.

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Maybe elder... elder is the new stage. It's a status symbol and strongest of that species. Or technically any dragon online. Non-campable. But maybe presence. That's been tested. Grindy.. (solo-able? :don't know)

dusk ravine
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People are elder ASDs ATM trying new things the last few days to no avail

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hard to want to continue to play when both end game items, ELDER and Upstatting are not working or depressingly slow.

balmy moss
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We must become what we seek. What are seeking? Elder? That's what we are assuming?

rough root
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I believe so

balmy moss
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First step? Choices.

  1. Elder
    2.dragon(not much of a choice there. Become a dragon? What is a dragon? Flying? Asd can't fly)
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Rhino said he wanted it to be more dragony elder that is.

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What is it to be a dragon?

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Exploration. Being Tested. Flying rules out asd

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What is dragony. Hording?=camping.

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Just tossing ideas out

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I'm gonna have a major in philosophy after this.

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On a side note. Has anyone looked at the moon and stars?

novel oak
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anyone tried killing and eating an elder, that would be bad for the person who got it through passive ticks and could cause people rage quit though

red musk
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Would be kind of funny eat an elder for 1 tick per bite

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As the say, you become what you eat

novel oak
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maybe its eat a elder and you become a elder, seek that which you wish to become

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not campable, more dragony than eating mushrooms, hard to do

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gotta get a admin to elder half thr people on the server so the other half can hunt them and test it out. i doubt thats been tried yet

red musk
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The only other unlock in the game required you to not cheat to get it, I assume the same will be true for eldering if its a kind of unlock system

sterile isle
proper patio
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Not impossible per say, we can still enable pvp on PvE servers

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Would still suck to do it tho lol

novel oak
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you are able elder on pve without any real danger, and you can turn on pvp for yourself on pve, pvp will be really hard get elder with passive ticks where pve it just takes time

proper patio
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"Consensual PvP" as it's called 🤣

novel oak
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should have servers where its pve until you reach juvi, then its pvp. prevent hatchie killing

rough root
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Seek that which you wish to become - AIGHT TIME TO MURDERRRR I can't even xD

novel oak
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it really would limit the number of elders around. and if related to killing, could be number of dragons you actually killed. that in itself isnt easy

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has it been officially stated that its possible to active elder on pve?

balmy moss
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this sounds....reasonable. its a theory worth testing

rough root
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Become what you seek so that you can seek what you want to become.

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That's the supposedly first step anyway.

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Question is. What are we seeking to become right xD

balmy moss
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a dragon that is territorial and seeks challenges.

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sooo.... challenge a elder and defeat it to become an elder?

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this would limit the amount of elders on a server pvp wise

rough root
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And something that is doable on all types of servers and in all maps.

novel oak
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want to be the strongest? challenge and kill the strongest to take its place

balmy moss
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but you still have the passive tick if you dont pvp

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guys.... i mean.. this feels good

novel oak
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not for the few that have finally gotten passive elder ticks

balmy moss
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lol thats why im on pve

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and its not campable. and its solo and.... well i dont know about the grindy part except for finding a elder to challenge

rough root
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Well it's not really solo-able, considering you need a second player - being the elder xD

balmy moss
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solo-able meaning just you challanging you dont need another to help maybe

rough root
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I kind of like the idea of 'sponsors' - a bit like the quest system they've been talking about for the last four points.

balmy moss
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@novel oak this is your theory.

rough root
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But that's again, not soloable.

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So maybe not.

novel oak
balmy moss
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for so long we have been assuming we need to become an elder cause that what we are seeking. no we need to become a power hungry territoral dragon challenging a elder

balmy moss
tame crest
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Your elder gets one-shot by an invisible elder SS.

balmy moss
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oh no sanctuary is full

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wow if this is it. think of the impact on pvp servers

novel oak
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how do we go about testing the theory? we need someone willing let it be tested on an elder

rough root
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Well I certainly hope not.

balmy moss
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easiest way would probably be on a private server with growth way up then to kill an elder with an adult

tame crest
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Given that an adult SS can what, 2 tap any dragon? An elder SS is just going to flatten anything.

rough root
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Even with 2x growth, you're still looking at very long growth timers.

balmy moss
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to be precise an adult with no mutations from elder then an adult with 1 point from mutations

tame crest
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Once elder SS's are about anyway.

sterile isle
balmy moss
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and we are assuming that all dragon types have the same elder process

sterile isle
balmy moss
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ladder meaning there could be steps or just a process

novel oak
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all but the bio, which cannot hunt and cannot elder

balmy moss
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journey per say

balmy moss
novel oak
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step 1, survive to adult, step 2 find a elder, step 3 kill elder, step 4 eat elder, step 5 be elder

rough root
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Big yep Bamboo

tame crest
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Step 6, turn into an elemental and then also eat elders.

balmy moss
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we might be seeking on how to be a dragon

rough root
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It's endgame, that's for sure. So maybe we do really need to get say, A blq at least

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Which shouldn't bee too difficult.

balmy moss
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lol serious wherreeeeee arrrrrreeee youuuuuuuu

rough root
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Jao has said that it's endgame.

balmy moss
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we have a theory to test on you

tame crest
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If the idea is you need to kill an elder as a fresh adult that's gonna be so funny considering the elder - adult differences are ridiculous.

balmy moss
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yea... its far fetched but eh

rough root
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Hey if you can get someone to do it with you? Be my guest.

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But I have a feeling most might not want to xD

tame crest
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Elder SS can one shot.

novel oak
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yea noone will want lose their elder for a low chance possiblity

balmy moss
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their name will be remembered we will pin their sacrifice in the channel

sterile isle
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Crow are all Jaos hints/riddles noted in the doc?

weak sequoia
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read my name

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boom

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all hints? r e d a c t e d

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yw

rough root
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I'll update it when I get home and make a section purely for his hints though xD

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But first I must werk.

sterile isle
rough root
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ruu was also kind enough to send me a few things that'll also be added 🙏 (their name is mentioned a few times in there too xD)

deft patrol
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I mean, I could assist in your elder massacre

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on my private server

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pm me if you wanna know more tho

novel oak
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i would be up to elder and murdered to test it

turbid copper
novel oak
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it rules it out as a method, as it was my theory i would be willing put the time into it even if its a waste

turbid copper
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Wouldn't make sense for pve Weirdge

novel oak
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that is true but in pve you can use ticks and not worry about being killed, active eldering would be more benefitial for pvp as its very unlikely you will live long enough for ticks

turbid copper
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There still needs to be an active way in pve lol

novel oak
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was it ever officially stated?

turbid copper
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what

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bro

novel oak
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we have been trying for stuff that would work on pve for a long time, so im throwing out a option that fits criteria even though it wont be pve

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thats why i am willing put my time in for it instead of people finding the few people that do have elder and killing them

turbid copper
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But the system needs to work for all servers and all type of players, not only one

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otherwise the game would lose a big portion of players

novel oak
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possibly only until bosses come in, or the elementals

deft patrol
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I'm still thinking it's related to normal activities we can do, flying, eating etc.

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and the mutation points

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the more you have put into something the faster you make progress like
eat 100x times, at 3 scavanger you get ~3 pts per bug/dragon

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as example

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since it should be grindy

turbid copper
cosmic river
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in order to defeat an elemental youd need an elder Um adults are just way too weak for that kinda fight

turbid copper
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Exactly

vale mortar
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nahh itll just take longer

sterile isle
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Also I just realised something there is acc no way eldering can be something to do with consuming other elders or bugs bc Brood Watchers can elder and they are herbivores!

turbid copper
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adults are weak for elementals

vale mortar
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yes weak but

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not impossible

turbid copper
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Elementals literally eats dragons

vale mortar
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unless adults literally do 0 damage

novel oak
vale mortar
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then its still possible just harder to do as adult

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just don't die, easy peasy

sterile isle
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I think it's only Bios and Zygovos that won't be able to elder as of now

turbid copper
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Class 1 and 2 can't elder

sterile isle
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Exactly

novel oak
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ok so elder killing is not the answer then, or killing anything, unless its different for each dragon

balmy moss
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Ok well I've nested twice on separate days all three points in social. Nothing new in my elder progression

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.9 every day for 3 days. I'm at 2.7

sterile isle
balmy moss
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Do we think our stats are taken in account as well?

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Once I get nested I'll probably be a brood main

rough root
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Reminds me that in one of the streams. I think it was the launch stream? Jao said that unlocking the brood will be 'environmental'

heavy ridge
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Makes me wonder if it'll be something like eat × number of shrooms, or be within range of y amount of nests

sterile isle
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Huh are you saying we gonna have to unlock it? I didn't know that was thing they were doing

novel oak
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im trying one where i eat 0 mushrooms from hatch

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then only shrooms

heavy ridge
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All the KS stretch goals are unlockable, from the mela skin to the ice horn behemoth

rough root
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KS can just spawn in directly <3

heavy ridge
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KSers don't have to unlock them, so there's going to be plenty of nests day one, but to spawn as it, you'll have to unlock it

novel oak
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i still wish i had been able be a ks tho

rough root
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Without having to y'know. Unlock it on every server or figure out how to unlock it xD

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Oh me too. I was one day too late :>

novel oak
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i think all dragons should be available to ks, no buying dlc or unlocking. so they have everything right away

rough root
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Literally. Paycheck. Goes on to back the project. I find out they ended it the day before.

tardy perch
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I' ma KS and I don't think I deserve to get DLC for free O.o

heavy ridge
bleak python
tardy perch
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In other news, my ASD is 20% into elder. Nothing weird so far, my ticks are looking as they should be (but I expected that anyway).

rough root
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DLCs are DLC dracthyr_shrug

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KS is KS.

barren cave
tardy perch
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Really, the main benefit of being a KS is the utter convenience we bought into (well and the fact the game wouldn't be what it is today without our help). Not needing to unlock a handful of dragons will be quite nice. Though I have alts so I'll be doing the unlock method anyway. It'll give me something to do!

rough root
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Oh yeah, I'm an altoholic myself.

barren cave
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Yeh, the convenience is 100% the best part. I don't have a single alt, so hopefully i wont have to deal with most unlock thingies xD

sterile isle
weak sequoia
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i cant find the hints in the doc?

native yacht
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#hinthint #jaohint #elderhints

Tip 1
If you want to elder then you must Redacted Redacted Redacted

Tip 2
So guys you have to Redacted Redacted Redacted. Then you obviously have to go to Redacted to get Redacted

Tip 3
Figuring out how to elder, difficult.
Eldering once you know how to do it, cool.

Tip 4
The only hint I will give you is that you must take the first step before you can climb the elder ladder.
Quality of life.

Tip 5
Its Endgame.

Tip 6
First step, become that which you seek so that you can seek that which you wish to become
Steps on a ladder

sterile isle
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Tip 1 & 2 are the best imohaha

pulsar swift
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RIP no clan servers

balmy moss
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the first 2. if they are actual hints. so the 2nd hint is activity, then place, and item.

native yacht
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this is just speculation but someone said in general chat that we must passively elder first and eldering is unlocked for all or either just that dragon.

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idk but logging in for a few seconds and logging out...doesnt sound like much of a grind nor dragonish way of eldering...ya know

tardy perch
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Well, idealy, you'd be playing on that dragon, which does count as dragony things. Highly doubt the devs expect people to think THAT is how you must do passive eldering. It's very open-ended how you spend your time between those ticks

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Also ideally...provided getting to elder via passives once IS the start of it, you'd only need ot do it once, per server you decide you want elder grind unlocked on. So in the end, it's a one and done thing for the most part

native yacht
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we do have an eldered ASD that has yielded no results from being an elder so far. that theory is slowly fading in my book

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" become that which you seek so that you can seek that which you wish to become"

idk if @woven isle has seen anything on his other dragons for eldering but i'd say you have to passive elder all dragons to unlock it for all of them? if that theory is correct. I understand that the mela skin once unlocked for 1 dragon unlocks it for all but the grind tip would sugguest it be for one

novel oak
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on mela though it has be a nested dragon too

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without logging which is not possible for eldering so is there any other requirement

somber shuttle
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We need another hint, Im rapidly losing my sanity

native yacht
somber shuttle
woven isle
native yacht
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I mean as a none patreon community we've effectively done some good in this chat. theorized many mechanics and did multiple trial and errors.. we've come this far thanks to our efforts. Lets keep pushing but lets not lose our progress. I truly believe we are close

#roundOfApplauseToAll

pulsar swift
# woven isle i have not

Its time for it to die in the name of science, thank you for your sacrifice, all of dragonkin is grateful to you Prayge

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(dont actually die please)

woven isle
tardy perch
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Don't make Serious kill their elder XD I plan to do that when I get mine so they don't have to

woven isle
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wasn't planning on getting better bl yet xD

native yacht
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i dont think no one needs to die as an elder...we didnt need to die to unlock the mela..but i understand this isnt about skins

tardy perch
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I'm okay with killing off my elder ocne I have it, for science. I'm growing it on a server I don't main anyway. I'm okay with throwing it away. I'd only lose what...4 minutes out of each day spanning over about 2-3 weeks? I'm okay with losing that little of my time lol

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It's at 20% elder now so I'm a small chunk into it.

woven isle
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well if u login to a 2x server it will take u uhhmmm 12 days

tardy perch
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I'm not really able to get the tick twice a day though, so it's more like a garanteed 1 tick a day. So that would make it more like what...24 days?

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It's at 20% now on a 2x server (yours ot be precise lol). So if I can get 1 tick a day starting tomorrow, how many more days is that?

woven isle
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ye 24 days then

novel oak
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shame admins cant grow a person to elder for testing it

woven isle
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well it might become possible in the future, like when ppl know how to active elder i guess

rough root
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I can tell that so far I've been testing things as the 'instant elder' on private servers. But there's utterly nothing. So I'm afraid it simply doesn't work.

tardy perch
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You wouldn't be able to test anything properly on a 'instant elder' server anyway, since you don't have access to regular adults there

rough root
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Precisely my point yeah.

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The things I tested - or tried to anyway - was if the elders could see things the others couldn't. Nope.

heady trench
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Could spawn in as elder, stop server, activate growth, then you got elder and others need to grow
Generally speaking
...can't test cuz my server won't work

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While I doubt this is gonna work either, has anyone just, stayed alive after nesting
Helped your kids grow and helped your grandkids grow
Since grandparents now show, maybe they want you to be the elder that takes care of the family
Most people seem to be nesting for stats, so they don't even stay alive long enough to help more generations
Idk man everything has been tried at this point xD

rough root
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Become that which you wish to become? Hek I'm down for trying it. I've got the accounts to do it.

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Just gotta try it out on an official server to make sure it's all as intended.

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Normally when doing nesting the grandparents get renested after all.

novel oak
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renest when parents are great grandparents, then they are off the tree

heady trench
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I'm just thinking about that become what you seek thing
And usually there is a sort of "elder" in a family
Maybe it was just taken too literally as being the dragon elder stage
..however this would be a process that requires multiple people, and even more so when the children want to becone elders, so I dunno

rapid radish
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Any progress? ^^

rough root
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ISO

rough root
rapid radish
rough root
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Ding ding ding

rapid radish
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do I win a cookie? 😄

rough root
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Steps on a ladder
First step, become that which you seek so that you can seek that which you wish to become

prisma mirage
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You get all the cookies

rapid radish
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yaaay!

rough root
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Become you

rapid radish
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Also I like Gomatik's theory, have we done that yet? like all the family needs to be alive etc?

untold barn
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that would have a chicken and the egg conflict tho. cant become elder without an elder..so wheres the first elder. passives??
a server thats brand new cant have any elders for that species for actual months if thats the case

rough root
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Welp... Time to grow more on Shimmer Bright (low-ish pop PvE that's still official)

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I have a feeling if we want proper results we can't rely on private servers. At least not commands.

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Maybe the 2x growth

untold barn
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also that would make it an actual nightmare for smaller clans. youll never have an elder ever because nobody will be willing to help you with elder, and the bigger clans want your elder dead too

heady trench
rough root
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For sure.

heady trench
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Basically the whole problem currently is, someone should've found it by now with everything that's been done

rapid radish
rough root
tardy perch
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It's very possible for us to have not found it by now

rough root
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Whenever I'm testing I'm doing so on Shimmer Bright, personally.

rapid radish
rough root
rapid radish
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pls say SS or ASD 😄

rough root
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I'd say ASD but if we want to explore things for later

heady trench
rapid radish
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SS it is ^^

tardy perch
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If you can't spawn ASD, then do your testing with SS sicne it's got shorter growth time

rapid radish
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we need to agree who is what gender, so we can actually nest 😄 I should actually have adult female on Shimmer already

rough root
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Spawned as... a male.

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I just chose random xD

rapid radish
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I shall be your bride then 😄

rough root
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YES

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My beautiful Iso

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So am I snrk

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BUT, Sour, what gender?

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I'll spawn a different one on another one - so the babuhs can breed for the grandkids xD

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Gotchu

rapid radish
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Goma, do you have a ss on shimmer?

heady trench
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How long was ss grow time again-

heady trench
rough root
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Yep, so... just gonna try it out since I honestly doubt anyone has.

rapid radish
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Now we just need a fam that will stay alive for the experiment xD

rough root
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US

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We are that fam

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she says looking at all her accounts

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Where are you Iso sus

rapid radish
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playing Isle 🙈

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I promised my dino friends to be dilo menaces 😄

sterile isle
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What are you guys testing again?

rapid radish
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that if "elder" means to that you need to be a grandparent to living offspring

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like no re-nesting etc

sterile isle
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Okay interesting

rapid radish
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At least I don't think anyone has tested it yet

sterile isle
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I couldnt see it being v easy on a PVP server to have LIVING offspring lol

rough root
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It certainly wouldn't be grindable.

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Nor campable.

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Soloable only if you've got multiple accounts though.

rapid radish
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Yeah I know, but I wanna try everything xD

sterile isle
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Do you have to buy a second copy of the game to have multiple accounts?

rough root
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Yes

heady trench
sterile isle
# rough root Yes

That would essentially make Eldering Solo a kinda pay to win thing

rough root
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Part of me - as I noted in game. Could believe that to see the orbs - seeing as how it is now at least four different people saying they've seen them - that you might first be able to see them once you're a 'grandparent' or a 'grandkid'

heady trench
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I do find it odd that a content creator wouldn't have any footage of said orb tho

rapid radish
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At this point my mind is in "everything is possible" mode 😄

pulsar swift
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Glad to see you're back and still optimistic Iso kekw

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My brain is in the opposite mode, its given up entirely Sadge

rapid radish
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well come to Shimmer Bright and be me and Crow's offspring 😄

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Once Crow gets to adult 😄

sterile isle
sterile isle
rapid radish
pulsar swift
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I could also grow another SS adult and start my own family, become a grandpa too

rough root
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Currently growing out two lil dudes.

pulsar swift
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Just find me a partner kekw

rapid radish
pulsar swift
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Dude + dude = no egg, dude kekw

rapid radish
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well I already have an adult ss on the server 😄

rough root
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^

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That's the part. The other one is meant for the second pair, otherwise the hatchies can't make babuhs

rapid radish
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ohhhh right xD

rough root
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I want to try and keep every dragon alive. That means no renesting them.

rapid radish
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sorry, my brain is not braining 😄

rough root
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No getting rid of the old.

rapid radish
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I do have an alt, if needed

rough root
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THANKFULLY I got the accounts (And the epic people here as) for it :D

proper patio
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Have the elders made nests? I've heard rumors of elder x elder nests providing eldering tick boosts to the offspring once they reach adult. Has anyone tested this?

rapid radish
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oh interesting! I haven't heard about it, but I was away for a while

sterile isle
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That is a thought!

rapid radish
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@woven isle is it possible for you to try this elder x elder nesting thing with someone? 🙂

proper patio
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Seek that which you wish to become - seek a full elder nest, become nested by them - become elder yourself

rapid radish
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Become what you seek so that you can seek what you want to become.

rough root
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Elder x Elder nest is the only way to get into A+++

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According to Jao.

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Yes apparently there's not THREE +

rough root
proper patio
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Yeah, I know it's not solo able but I think it's worth trying

heady trench
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A single normal A would already be a miracle nowadays

rapid radish
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yeah, absolutely worth a try Toodles, ty for the idea! ^^

woven isle
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i've already nested a couple of ppl, dunno if they've hit adult yet

rapid radish
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Did you nest with another elder? 🙂

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and can you ask them if they are adults and are their elder ticks more than normal? :p

smoky hatch
sly cedar
rough root
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@rapid radish Aight friend. Here's the progress on the theory we'll be testing.
Myself and @civic merlin made a nest (Crow x Sour) Rook (alt of mine) took a female egg.

I got a male for your female for tomorrow, those will make a male. And we're off.

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@sterile isle Was also raising a male. But we might be able to get 'em to take an egg once we get there tomorrow.

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We got this. Rather have it confirmed that it DOESNT work than not have tried it at all XD

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For now. I'm off. Good job folks. Keep at it!

rapid radish
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good job guys for making so much progress! ^^

rough root
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Well 'so much' - we raised and bonked some SS. Goodnight from me xD

devout kettle
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I'm guessing no luck?

rapid radish
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We are in the process of trying one of the new theories, will report back once we have answers :p

balmy moss
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About to go to bed but I had another thought. Elder is endgame. We have been told that. What comes before that? Nesting and creating [A] stat dragons. Thoughts?

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Now either way, stats could be a prerequisite for becoming elder alot faster and would make sense. Cause it can be grindy. Depending for you or someone else if you choose to egg hop. Not exactly solo. Nor camp-able

broken galleon
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Ladders are commonly A shaped.

balmy moss
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At this point can we buy a gosh darn vowel

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I dont know what to think about the hints we have. Especially the first two cause I don't know if those were serious. Or were made In a joking manner. If those were serious it gives us steps and a process.

pliant violet
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KEK buy a vowel

balmy moss
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Hmm we need to take the first step. But have some of us already taken that step and don't know it yet.

pliant violet
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Okay so eldering by yourself with passives is steps and progress. It doesn't elude to an active way to elder exactly. But if we need A bloodline dragons with A stats, 18 A possibly, then the eldering process is only passive for people who play solo, and the active eldering sounds like it's clan based.

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I honestly don't understand that but hey, we got it confirmed you can 100% be an elder passively

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But actively eldering... either it doesn't exist yet or no one has achieved the correct dragon to elder actively

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But clan based active eldering sounds like it is 100% more social than shrooming

balmy moss
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I'm trying to find the first two hints. It's not in the Google docs

pliant violet
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Eh, the first two hints is just straight redacted information. Sounds more like a joke

balmy moss
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It does. But at the same time do we risk ignoring it

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1st hint not much there. 2nd hint could be taken as 3 steps. 1. Activity or stasis. 2. Place 3. Item?

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Now the question is. Are they working on another map or adding to this one? I heard something about a desert? If that's the case how would it effect eldering?

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Asking cause I'm new

bleak python
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The quality of life thing is not a hint...

balmy moss
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No?

bleak python
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It was him answering a question that someone asked that was about bugs

balmy moss
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Ok let me delete that from chat

bleak python
balmy moss
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This is some ready player one... content

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The devs basically gave a challenge for the community. And we're stumped

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Well gn I'll sleep on it

acoustic holly
rapid radish
cedar obsidian
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Has anyone figured out how to elder yet?

heavy ridge
weak sequoia
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We need more hints

harsh sky
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did we get any A bloodline elders yet?

weak sequoia
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no how the hell do you think we gonna do that?

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we dont even know how to actively elder

harsh sky
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calm down lmao

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just A bloodline and passive tick to full

heavy ridge
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Sometimes I wonder if it isn't something like -have elder progress of x%. -have play session of y length. -???

restive barn
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at this point im joining growth disabled servers to get the taste of elders LOL

harsh sky
heavy ridge
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I mean, to even proc the next step. Just spit balling for why people havnt stumbled over it yet

harsh sky
acoustic holly
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Have those who have become elder done any of the things previously attempted to see if anything has popped unexpectedly?

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I know the one in our server just likes to chill and hang out. Wasn’t sure about others.

mint tulip
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no word yet on whats next?

snow furnace
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bro what if you unlock elder shortcuts after becoming elder with ticks only.

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similar to some skin unlocks

pulsar swift
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not on his other dragons either and we're not making him kill his elder yet keknervous

balmy moss
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On this episode of taskmaster, you must make your dragon elder. You time starts after reading this letter.

sterile isle
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I have a question what does the life expectancy stat do?

rough root
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Just your health dear.

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I'll be raising up the babuh we made yesterday and awaiting my bride on the other one. FOR TESTING

sterile isle
rough root
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Yeah a lot have been thinking it's about the eldering dw xD

rough root
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@rapid radish Whenever you've grown your lady, lemme know!

royal sundial
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Could eldering since it's an endgame thing just happen when you have a fully a++ dragon? Since that's the endgame

proper patio
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You need elder first to even get stats like that. If that was the case it would be impossible

turbid copper
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yeahh

proper patio
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Sure I've seen that too, but folks are nesting to insanity, myself included, and struggling to get rid of E's let alone any flat As. If we have to get higher than A to reach elder, I shiver at the thought of how much time I'd have to dump into it.

turbid copper
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Yeah, no, at this point it's not stats related

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and shouldn't be

proper patio
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I agree lol

rough root
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Jao wanted to lessen the reason for spawn camping for stats. But it's more important than ever.

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BUT yeah, no. I doubt it's stat related. At worst it might be blq related.

proper patio
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I think the one thing I would love clarity on, is do you actually need FULL elder for the stats, or just the dom point in the skill tree? Bios can't elder but they get the points. This either means bios will never get the high tier stats because they can never be elder OR full elder doesn't matter because it's the Dom that matters 🤔

rough root
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TI_Think Good question actually.

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I have a feeling getting those 'super stat's (including the +++) should then only be related to the dominant stat.

dawn pelican
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there will be a+++????

rough root
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Much like how you cannot jump in blq without both parents at least having a single point in social.

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And yeah xD

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Apparently.

dawn pelican
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dayum

rough root
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I cannot share the screenshot because it's from Patreon (we're forbidden to share those screenshots)

dawn pelican
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._.

rough root
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"every grade is 1% until A, A+ and A++ are like 12/15%
F is -5%."

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"A+++ is meant to be endgame, not something everyone has, takes effort
legacy it was too easy
too many A++ running around"

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You'll just have to take my word for it being from there xD

proper patio
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Folks also had nothing else to do tho in that defense lol it bugs me when people say it was too easy, but that's all people had 😅

rough root
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These being the increase in the stats themselves.

rough root
dawn pelican
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"too many a++ running around" we have nested for like 2 years to get those stats, dont you think that was deserved? ._.

rough root
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I think it was back from when it was guaranteed crits Shen.

dawn pelican
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and we didnt even reach 18a++ at least on the server i was playing on, the highest we got was 16a++

rough root
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At a point, if you had two A A stats (father mother) it was guaranteed to crit into A+

dawn pelican
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ok yeah thats too easy

rough root
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It was then changed that it'd be entirely random how many would crit.

dawn pelican
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but the system was good when we had the chance to still reach 18a++

rough root
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Each stat was a random chance if it crit or not. Into A+ or A++

dawn pelican
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so the system before fs came out

rough root
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And then it couldn't be passed on. So if you had say. A mother with 6 A+ and a father with 3 different A+ - you were still looking at the chance from no A+ at all.

dawn pelican
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anyway back to eldering, i have lost all my sanity and have given up until we get a good hint

rough root
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So you had a chance to end up with a kid with combined, more or less just as the first.

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Yep!

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Right

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BAck to, yes.

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We're currently testing something out on Shimmer Bright.

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But I need Iso to grow that LADY

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Look if someone wants to go on Shimmer Bright and grow a Lady that's fine too

proper patio
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If elder is more significant to stats than the Dom skill point, I hope it is reflected in the skill tree. Id like to know how it differently affects stats

rough root
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Iso can always take an egg. We just need to get there.

rough root
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But right, yes. New theory being tested. So if anyone feels like growing a female SS on Shimmer Bright that they -won't murder- hmu

proper patio
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We may not ever know, but this is why I'm pondering it. What if it turns out the Dom skill trait was the Elder in our hearts all along, and full elder doesn't matter 😅

weak sequoia
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What if we already tried it and its just broken, because he wont let anyone test it?

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idk if its aloud or legal or whatever but has someone tried digging into the files

somber shuttle
weak sequoia
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mood

balmy moss
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i heard it was encripted

rough root
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Apparently not yet

wide canopy
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Did orb get debunked

rough root
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Not yet xD

wide canopy
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Huh

rough root
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But it's not confirmed either.

wide canopy
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Well i can proudly say “i ran around on asd, orbs do not exist”

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Orb will not haunt you.

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Its a visual error probably like ss’s blast when it bugs out

balmy moss
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can someone post rhinos qoute getting elder hard. or was that in patreon?

rough root
sly cedar
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Are the orbs in fixed locations or random?

wide canopy
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Random

rough root
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We don't know.

wide canopy
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And non existent

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Quote from rhino “non campable”

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And social

rough root
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As anyone who claims to have seen them has failed to provide proof of them.

balmy moss
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what was the exact qoute from rhino. figuring out elder hard. once you know cool?

wide canopy
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If its from pvp servers like

-bloodmoon
-molten mountain
-dragonking
Orbs are a gaslighting gang

rough root
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"Figuring out how to elder, difficult.
Eldering once you know how to do it, cool."

balmy moss
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what if you need to have a elder nest with another adult or something more of a passive gene to pass on??

rough root
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Alas, not personally able to test that just yet (I aint elder with passive ticks)

balmy moss
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yea some of these theories require an elder

rough root
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Currently testing another theory regarding 'elders'

balmy moss
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once we get more people to elder the better chance we have i believe

rough root
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Absolutely.

balmy moss
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is there a elder theory clan i can join ingame?

sly cedar
balmy moss
wide canopy
rough root
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For this theory we need more folks though. And aye, though I don't have any text quotes for it, nor the non campable, grind. So on.

wide canopy
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Ongoing clan theory is “run around the map as 3-5 asds”

rough root
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Supposedly said in streams.

balmy moss
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the problem is we are trying to do process of elimination. but without knowing the first step we cant really do that. its mostly throw spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks.

rough root
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One theory we're currently trying to test out on Shimmer Bright is that 'elder' is actually your grandparents

balmy moss
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hmm yea

rough root
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But that, again. Not soloable. BUT, at the same time in another stream he wanted it to be more social.

balmy moss
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rhino has said he wanted it more dragony

rough root
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And that, yes.

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Regardless, it's worth a shot. So that's what we're trying to do right now. Just need a few more for it to be done.

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Right now I'm waiting on Iso (or anyone else) to grow a female SS

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We got the kiddo from the first pair, now we need one from the second pair. Then those need to bonk, get a bab. And bam, lineage.

balmy moss
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aight

rough root
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It's particularly this hint we're testing it because of:

First step, become that which you seek so that you can seek that which you wish to become

balmy moss
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The most logical choice me cause of this quote is nesting. Cause it's the only core mechanic right now.

rough root
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Another reason why we're trying it out

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The derpiest dragon

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minor hinge
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I dont some one made a Ooof

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chrome yarrow
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not sure whats going on with that place but the invisible wall around it is a surprise for sure!

balmy moss
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oh yea i was just there

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theres a nice pond where you are at too bad no bugs

minor hinge
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Ok has any found a gold bug. i see red,black,brown.green

chrome yarrow
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i found a greenish one once, but no gold sorry

minor hinge
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humm

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he found one a yellow bug but it poof when try kill it

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but he like to play joke so i dont kown

wide canopy
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I had a stroke reading that, wt

balmy moss
sly cedar
chrome yarrow
rapid radish
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@rough root I will be on in about 30 mins

rough root
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Crow thine lady. I am getting PIZZA

fierce violet
#

Any news? Been MIA for a few days

balmy moss
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A few theories, but nothing yet. Right now the theories we have takes elders. So currently working on getting a few to elder by passive tick.

bold tusk
rapid radish
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ok gang, I'm logging in, who is my future mate? 😄 (I forgot, I'm old xD)

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oh it's Crow ^^

turbid prawn
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Well smif answered my check in question lmao

maiden trout
#

What if eldering unlocks same way as mela does but you must do it on all dragons ? Like grow a nested iconic for each dragon in one go? It sure cant be a quest that unlocks it bcs quest and loot is disabled so it must be some sort of achievment like mela

balmy moss
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It's possible. I've seen that theory before and it checks all the boxes

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Become what you seek. A dragon that has experienced all dragons?

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But problem is not all dragons are out

maiden trout
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maybe the ones that are ? excpect bio and asd bcs one is ks and one is dlc

balmy moss
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Hmm. Endgame."Figuring out how to elder, difficult.
Eldering once you know how to do it, cool."

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Storm I like that theory

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It's solo so you need to spawn in as a iconic

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Grindy

dawn pelican
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now there is no real goal after reaching 18a, until the brood comes out

balmy moss
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But once you get all done. Is it just a passive from now on for whatever dragon you grow?

maiden trout
balmy moss
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So just to be clear. Spawn only. Iconic

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No nesting in

maiden trout
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it should be a pain to be elder i think , not like shrooming was easy

balmy moss
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Well growing each dragon to adult is a process its self. And it might activate something on your registered steamed. SO then a uptick passive buff is added to any dragons that you nest or spawn from now on.

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This theory making adult makes sense. Growing to elder on every dragons seems diabolical

rapid radish
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I have grown all dragons to adult on a server 😄

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not to elder tho

maiden trout
rapid radish
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but the ss def, unlocked my mela on it

bleak python
maiden trout
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so far from looking on this channel/clues and at everything thats been tested till now , unlocking it by a secret achievment is all that makes sense to me , we just need to find what to do to unlock it .

balmy moss
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Yup

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It's like running a marathon but you don't know where the start line is.

rapid radish
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or what the route is xD

balmy moss
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And they can't tell us cause it's probably a huge hint

maiden trout
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Maybe that the step we must take , experience each species to full growth , who knows so is anyone up tp try that out ?

rapid radish
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but what should you try after growing all the dragons? 🤔

maiden trout
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idk we grow and we see ?

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itll be easy if theres an admin that can grow us to adult in seconds

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or maybe juvi first and adult second so we follow the flow

rapid radish
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like I said, I have grown all the dragons to adult, but nothing changed 🤔

maiden trout
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idk i cant think of something else , there isnt something else in game everyone can do , anytime anywhere

pulsar swift
devout kettle
rough root
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@sterile isle Think you might be able to grab an egg from the second pair in our theory testing here?

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Or, anyone for that matter who has the energy to raise an SS and then bonk one later xD

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BAMBOO

sterile isle
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Hii I'm out atm can you wait 20 mins or is it ready now?

rough root
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Oh it aint ready just yet

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Nest just got down, but awesome! It'll be ready once you come on xD

opaque mulch
#

I wonder if two elders nest if it would pass an elder down?

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Just thinking of things

rapid radish
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that is another theory; to have two elders nest and maybe the offspring gets some kind of boost or something

rapid radish
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@sterile isle the egg is ready for you ^^

sterile isle
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I've run into delays I might be a while I'm so sorry

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I'll try and be as fast as I can but please don't wait for me if you get someone else

rapid radish
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anyone else want to be part of the experiment? :p

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I have the egg ready ^^

steady rock
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Imo "passing down" Elder status to your kids is a silly solution, elders are supposed to be the oldest, most experienced dragons and you can't pass down age by nesting... that would be cloning... maybe elders can renest themselves without a mate haha
but I'm not saying this to shut down the theory, we have to try everything, but IF it is the case then it's just not realistic

faint tendon
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The idea might be that somehow, a dragon nested by an Elder gets a gene that makes passive ticks better or makes them able to take advantage of an active method.. Although either way, I honestly hope the active Eldering method won't require you to be nested by one.

sterile isle
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@rapid radish I'm here now!

rapid radish
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I'm thinking this theory more like this; let's say the orbs are the way to actively elder. Once you become the elder of your fam, you unlock the ability to see these orbs and actively elder.

summer arch
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Where is this orb theory coming from?

rapid radish
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started with Eon, continued with Marsin, then orange got a hint from a clan member...

balmy moss
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until i see definative proof of orbs with shadowplay or screenshot, im not gonna look into it

faint tendon
tardy perch
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I might be taking one of the hints too literally, but what if once you get to elder, you got to do something WITH said elder to unlock the method for your other future/present non-elders?

rapid radish
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thI think that's what Serious and ... Spiderqueen? have been tryihng to do

tardy perch
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I wouldn't know since they aren't sharing what they've BEEN doing. Just that they've not noticed anything

rough root
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I've not heard of anything new that's been tried that's not already in the docs.

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Certainly not with the few elders there are.

sterile isle
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@rapid radish Do I need to do anything with my SS? Or am I the grandchild?

rapid radish
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I want to be logged in when the grandkids are born, to see if anything happens ^^

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there's a female for you already, I think it's one of @rough root alts?

sterile isle
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Ah okay cool will let u guys know when I reach adult

rough root
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Yoshie

balmy moss
sterile isle
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Just reached adult! @rough root @rapid radish

rough root
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Roight! Comin'

rapid radish
balmy moss
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Make it so

mellow dawn
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What is that?

rapid radish
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It was just foliage, sadly

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but we now have 3 generations of SS and are looking the map, if something, anything, happens or we can find

balmy moss
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Enchance

sterile isle
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My wifi did an oopsie lol

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But I might call it a day for now anyway

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@rough root Keep me updated if anything happens or if theres anything I can help with

proper patio
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With the current state of the map I don't even know if you can even trust anything visual without it being some sort of visual bug

rough root
tardy perch
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What sort of thigns are you testing atm?

rough root
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Currently testing a theory for the hint of the 'become what you seek so you can seek what you wish to become' - basically nesting a full lineage (grandparents etc) with everyone still alive.

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Since, those could be counted as 'elder' just not the elder we're looking for.

fading canyon
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Just got back from vacay, anything new?

rough root
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Not to my knowledge. We finished the lineage. Just gotta riase the last ones now. And then look through basically everything xD

fading canyon
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Oh lawd 😭

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Now that im rereading through stuff after a few days break, im realizing some of these hints kind of just sound like master oogway

rapid radish
balmy moss
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Us in this channel

sly cedar
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Some of us. Others are...

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I'm reading what yall are doing, but I got nothing else. I'm done. Lol

somber shuttle
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Yeah Im at a loss. Its probably going to be hard to get another hint from Jao for a while. Seems like the community is chasing him off a bit. He's been less and less active in chats for the last week. Either he's busy, or tired of reading it

balmy moss
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Understandable

dense current
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i honestly don't blame him for staying away from the chats.

somber shuttle
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Me either... people are being nasty to him for releasing any content or updates because the game isnt perfect yet. Unfortunate for the supportive side of the community.

bleak python
proper patio
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Lets stay on topic

frail salmon
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We have all the hints we need. The most recent one is the one we needed "become what you seek so you can seek what you wish to become".

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It's a progress that will take over a month^^

somber rover
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How long did eldering take to figure out pre 1.0 or was it just told to us back then?

tardy perch
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It was figured out pretty quickly how to elder back then. However, the same can't be said for the mela unlock. That took until people oops did it and had no clue HOW until Jao told us exactly.

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Which took what...2 months since it was added?

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I don't recall people being this brutal to Jao about it though. But this IS eldering we are talking about, so I can understand people being miffed. Soon though, I feel our questions will be answered. Or at least a confirmatio nthat maybe we are doing something right at the very least XD

minor hinge
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i kown to unlock Mela back then befor elder tick had to i kill like 80-100 black bugs that befor thay chage to be nest in icon

dawn pelican
devout anvil
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lame

acoustic holly
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Which means starting over from all steps that have been taken before until it works

floral bluff
dawn pelican
floral bluff
balmy moss
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Does anyone know what's the longest... nvm I'm tired thought I had a thought.. im just tired

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sigh

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I was gonna ask what's the longest someone has stayed the same dragon without renesting or respawning, but that is literally elder passive tick.

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It's 4am I'm going back to bed.

radiant hull
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im starting to think we need 1 dragon on the server as elder and then we unlock fast eldering for that server. Thoughts on this guys?

harsh sky
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it's been juggled before

jagged patrol
deft spruce
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Does anyone wanna try nesting on a deathmatch server? you spawn as an elder on there, so the whole ''become what you seek, so you can seek what u wish to become''

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I wanna try nesting as an Elder, maybe the baby has some mutation thing

remote meteor
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Perhaps the tic at 25 percent to elder is "the first step"?

balmy moss
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ok im rehashing an old theory. A dev did say they wanted the life expectancy stat to mean more. so maybe having a [A] for that

minor hinge
remote meteor
minor hinge
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I been doing solo form day 1 on asd up to 72.9% on 1x server

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All it dose eat and sleep

balmy moss
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yea solo is getting me

minor hinge
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Here i take pic

deft spruce
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i was kinda thinking of that

minor hinge
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Ya i do have mela unlock all so

novel oak
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im attempting only eating the food the dragon is designed for, so ss is carnivore so only meat, no mushrooms. now adult so lets see if theres anything

minor hinge
deft spruce
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??

proper patio
minor hinge
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I at 1 at 5:30Am

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i see

proper patio
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Sadly

minor hinge
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So i should get 1 around 9 or 10 am

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I wait and see i got 1 at 5:30AM

proper patio
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Eh, 12 hours would be 5:30pm, but hey if it works for you, ping me. I'll be curious

minor hinge
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I will

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that it mite be 2 tick a day 12AM 1 tick to 12PM 1 tick to 12AM 1 tick if i tink right

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that 12 hr

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but i dont kown the time for tick

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That restart time

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I kown there 24Hr in day

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Just try to help

stray notch
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anything new? my majestic eldery explorers

heavy ridge
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Not yet, entrepid visitor!

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But the search continues!

rapid radish
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Is my fam @sterile isle and @chrome yarrow able to play today, wanna see if my passive tick is bigger when all 3 gens are in game ^^

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or @rough root :p

lone gulch
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are you talking about getting mela?

fading canyon
rough root
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I think the entire family growing in one go is asking a LOT.

dry mauve
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Any updates?

rough root
novel oak
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it wouldnt be too bad for big clans

rough root
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You'd have to organize people getting on at the exact same time to ensure the 'you feel stronger' tick happens with the others on. Hence why I don't think it viable.

compact reef
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yeah sounds wack

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im at the point im just waiting for the changes cause bump it

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it honestly shouldn't be this tedious even if its "end game"

rapid radish
rough root
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Right right, I can be on Crow and Magpie in a bit, ready on the spawn screen once I've booted the accounts up

rapid radish
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I think Jay was my granbabu 🤔

rough root
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Magpie too, I had to take two xD

rapid radish
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OH xD

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Now we just need Bamboo online too xD

rough root
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Welp. Having troubles even joining the game, soooo. Might not be doable from my end.

rapid radish
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it's okay, we can also try tomorrow ^^

rough root
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We might need to xD

mint tulip
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No luck anyone?

compact reef
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zilch, zip, zero, nothing, no, nada

lost lichen
balmy moss
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But the quest continues

somber rover
balmy moss
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We all know when we figure it out, we will be facepalming so hard.. but the party will be wild!!

tardy perch
balmy moss
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Any theories that we have tested,were they with a fresh spawn or nested dragon? Looking at possible similarities to what we had to do to get the mela skin.

acoustic holly
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Have you tried asking very nicely
I believe most were tested with both to see.

balmy moss
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Ah ok

slender arrow
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Who ever plays pve once they get to elder fine the way to elder your other dragons then come here with actual theories that make sense

woven isle
balmy moss
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Sorry man. I'm just throwing spaghetti at the wall at this point seeing if it will give anyone else ideas.

slender arrow
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Pvers should be close to elder tho

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If they started right away

balmy moss
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I think kroww and serious are the only ones atm

sly cedar
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They are trying dude...

acoustic holly
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Has anyone heard the phantom dragons? Kinda of curious if they are invisible, non-collision npc's or if they are somehow related to the cause.

rapid radish
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first time I'm hearing about them 🤔

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Are they a lore thing or something the devs have talked about?

acoustic holly
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Not sure. Figured I'd throw it out there since it doesn't happen often

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Plus, what would be difficult but kind of cool? Catching an invisible enemy.

somber shuttle
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Ive checked basically every square inch of the map for some sort of npc or interactable

rapid radish
acoustic holly
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Fight them, not necessarily interact.

rapid radish
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still, how?

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and I don't know if pve would allow a fight 🤔

somber shuttle
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Well In PvE if its an AI it would be considered E, not player

acoustic holly
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Maybe strike them down. Hit them once or something. All dragons (minus bio) have the ability to strike at something, and there have been reports from some players that they heard what sounded like a large ASD nearby. It would allow for solo or competitive play. But it's just a thought. I heard it often enough, but I've neever tried to hit whatever the heck it is. It's usually in flight while I'm on the ground

somber shuttle
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since it would be considered environment

rapid radish
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that is true, so we need to find an invisible ai xD

somber shuttle
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On to the next totally sense-making theory lmao

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Im not kidding, though. Ive literally checked the entire map for a cloaked AI 😂 I wanted quests for elder to be in so bad

rapid radish
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I was also thinking about the big, "elder" trees around the map, maybe it's something to do with that 🤔 Like visit them all or something

devout anvil
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i've flown to all of them lol

devout anvil
dawn pelican
keen spire
somber shuttle
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I did try a little with FS. View distance is so bad with it but it might be the only sure way IF there is an npc. I’ll try some more tomorrow!

acoustic holly
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I did say invisible, right? Just want to make sure I doubt you’d “see” anything, or if you did, very faintly. But it’s just a theory. I’ll have to do more testing myself when it’s not time for me to sleep.

fading canyon
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If it is invis Fs would be able to see it luckily, i doubt they would make an npc totally invis, non collideable annnd take away a heat signature

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Maybe if i stay up long enough, the dragon gods will give me a vision

tame crest
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Start meditating haha

balmy moss
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I woke up sad. I had a dream that I figured out elder.. I cri

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Problem is I don't remember what it was

fading canyon
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I think were reaching a point of insanity, we want elder so bad that some of us are dreaming about it Crysa_Wow

compact reef
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And we're putting an ungodly amount of time in the game XD

balmy moss
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Ok i have arrived at work, and thought of another theory ill be testing when I get home. The old elder system required you to eat mushrooms. You are poisoned when you do this. Do you hallucinate? My theory is eat a mushroom or two and have bloom on and fly around looking for anything that stands out. Also don't die.

dawn pelican
dawn pelican
rapid radish
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Someone almost killed their dragon with the mushrooms xD

balmy moss
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Ah ok

covert stag
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What that tells me is that someone needs to become an elder so people can kill and eat it to become an elder. So at least 1 person needs to go the long haul of 12 hour tic for months lol

turbid copper
covert stag
covert stag
stuck trench
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Wait, ya'll still think the mechanic is actually in the game rn? XD

balmy moss
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Oh you're joking

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Sorry

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It's a rough day at work

stuck trench
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You're good! I'm not joking though imo it's been told its in game to keep players active..no reason why it wouldn't have been found yet or at least close to. The idea that it even if it is but it's bugged is just still more probable than most theories.

Being told something by the devs has just unfortunately been proven to many times now that their word means nothing..so to assume its the truth when you're told its in the game is like believing the updates were going to be released as told lol

balmy moss
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Whoops

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Lol

heavy ridge
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My dude, there's a difference between an understandable delay, and outright lying

It took us three months to figure out the mela unlock. Some games have secrets that last over a decade.
Please don't accuse the devs of lying here.

balmy moss
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Side note eragonthebeast have you the read the new book murtagh

stuck trench
heavy ridge
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Oh no, there's a new one? how is it?

balmy moss
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And feels new

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But with elder. I'm fine with leaving it to the community to figure it out no matter how long it takes. It's a challenge. And if there was an oopsy dont tell us, just patch it on the backend. Like the saying goes, sometimes bleep happens.

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Lol

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I can say, I have never been so involved with a community as of now, before.

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And I still don't know where to put commas in sentences.

final cargoBOT
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tool_rose_moonfire has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

slender arrow
balmy moss
slender arrow
balmy moss
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Yeah that's what I ment sorry.

slender arrow
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First step is to become that what you seek to seek that what you wish to become sooooo

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Become that what you seek

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Elder !!!

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So that you can seek that what you wish to become

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Eldering other dragons hints the elder system

rapid radish
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well ppl have reached elder, but are none of the wiser 😅

slender arrow
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It’s in his hint

balmy moss
slender arrow
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Yeah that’s the question what do you do after you become elder

balmy moss
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Question. When you reach a certain height music starts playing. How long has that been a thing. I know people have tested it, but looking at time frames of changes.

rapid radish
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always

balmy moss
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Ok ty

stray notch
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aye sup elder people

rapid radish
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hey Tamim

stray notch
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tell me u found something...

rapid radish
stray notch
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thats odd

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thats my reaction ^

balmy moss
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Was flying tested before the 2nd wind mechanic

compact reef
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I think its something similar to elder shrooms but obviously visually different but does not stay in 1 place it moves around randomly all over map, find it before a set amount of time. i also think we are thinking waaayyy to hard into that hint tbh but if were not maybe they become easier to find once you've become elder but still a grind because they randomly move possibly fast af teleporting and if it was threw in could possibly spawn in walls or water. maybe something will respond to only an elder call somewhere around the map, here is my spaghetti thoughts.

balmy moss
compact reef
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how many massive trees has everyone counted the ones still standing

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so far ive only seen 4 all look either different sizes or elevation

balmy moss
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Haven't counted. I know there's at least 1 near the blue wall.

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Are you tell us we need to boink elder trees?

compact reef
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already tried that XD

balmy moss
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🤣

compact reef
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sadly no response back

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guess it didnt like my dance

balmy moss
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You must become what you seek, but what are we seeking... Are we seeking elder? Or are we seeking the system of the process of becoming an elder

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Just talking to myself

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Oh, would I love to talk to socrates

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Key difference. One is in the process and the other already an elder. I know we are working on both theories. I'm basically trying to follow threads of reasoning.

pulsar swift
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Careful chief, you'll get warned for that last word

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Anyway at this point I think the best reasoning we'll have is: Everything is [REDACTED]

balmy moss
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Nvm then it's gone

pulsar swift
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It was a gif kekw

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You have the word in your dms salute

balmy moss
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Understood

compact reef
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what if its grow 3 nested iconics 😉 lol

red musk
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One elder tick per other dragon you grow from an iconic nest on that account xd

rough root
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I'd say I was losing my sanity but I'm pretty sure I never had any.

finite basin
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I have gone through the entire history of this thread and the google doc and man it really does feel like the system is either bugged or convoluted to no ends, that or somehow we are all overthinking it

rough root
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Maybe a mix of all of it.

somber shuttle
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I was thinking the same thing. I feel like we’ve exhausted all options, or were making it way more complicated than it actually is

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We’ve had accidental extra elder tics but nobody knows why. They all seem to have been from exploring different areas, but I’ve been all over the map in many different patterns and haven’t had any additional tics

finite basin
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There was a point where i was thinking that maybe some of the hints were meant to be taken literal, like the first steps must be taken i was thinking of actual locations where it would make sense

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But then the whole cant be camped thing throws that ideology away

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The biggest gripe i have atm is nobody is allowed to test it so we have no idea if the system is implemented let alone working as intended

somber shuttle
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And I don’t know if the pearls people were seeing were real but there’s more than one claim for that too. Maybe some sort of rare spawn, or a model bug in the game, idk

finite basin
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Could be a lighting glitch

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My intital thoughts were maybe it involves end cliffs because if you go to end cliffs theres an incline that leads to elder forest, my though process is end cliffs end game, you are taking the first steps into elder, elder forest from end cliffs, but again cant be camped throws it out the windo and its not social in the slightest

somber shuttle
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Man it’s been like almost a month since release? I wish we’d get some better hints 😅

summer arch
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Imagine gatekeeping the elder system from your player base

balmy moss
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So we do know one thing. People have gotten extra ticks. Meaning it's not a instant elder growth.

small sedge
# summer arch Imagine gatekeeping the elder system from your player base

See, I wouldn't mind if there was an actual puzzle/riddle to solve. Actual hints with actual direction, which none of the hints we've gotten so far have; the last one about become what you seek to seek what you wish to become would be a great starting point if there were more hints after it, because now everybody's right back where they started with being frustrated because there's still no way to figure out where to go from there.

rapid radish
balmy moss
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I'm gonna have to read through krowws goodle docs again.

balmy moss
rapid radish