#New Elder System

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glacial rune
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were waiting

pliant violet
rapid radish
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Like some ppl didn't get the 25% 4th point until they were like 27 something%

pliant violet
native yacht
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bruh DM sent me here

glacial rune
rapid radish
naive oxide
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update

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nothing happened

native yacht
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BRUH

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aint no way

woven isle
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gotta wait for another tick i guess then

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we'll see in 11h

native yacht
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take him to the yellow fireflies

naive oxide
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where?

native yacht
half hound
woven isle
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well we are not at this pond

naive oxide
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where is this?

pliant violet
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"They wouldn't not put an active way to elder into the game" L m a o

woven isle
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cords for that firefly spot pls

native yacht
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its in the pic

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375S x 58W

woven isle
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we're on our way

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didn't see them cords until u commented about it xD srry

tardy perch
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Good luck!

woven isle
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thx

tardy perch
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If nothing happens, don't be discouraged. Chances are you aren't elder just yet. On your next tick, check to see if it says elder for you. If it doesn't still, then I suppose you are elder and it just isn't saying, so then it's just trying out ALL the things

woven isle
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fair enough, on our way to that cave

woven isle
naive oxide
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we’re at those exact cords and nothing is here

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YO WE’RE HERE AND CAVE IS SPARKLING???

woven isle
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well i nearly died from fall dmg lol

rapid radish
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Yes, those are fireflies

woven isle
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which was supposed to be turned off

rapid radish
woven isle
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nothing happened

naive oxide
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Closed off cave

native yacht
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BRUH WTF

woven isle
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well there's fancy fireflies but that's it

naive oxide
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screaming

keen basin
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You have to wait 1 more elder tic.

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You got to 100% but you have to wait for the next tic to go over

woven isle
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guess so

naive oxide
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i swear to god if there isn’t explicit instructions after you get the next elder tick i’m gonna be furious

keen basin
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same as every other growth

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You can be 100% juvi and not adult

woven isle
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well i'll update u guys again in 10-11h

keen basin
tardy perch
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thank you kindly. Everyone don't panic (or be mad)! Even if they don't get some sort of message, they still might find something weird afterwards

native yacht
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@woven isle could you ping everyone here so we know

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or once you log on again.. you're pretty much the lead with the 100% growth theory

tardy perch
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Poor serious is gonna have a lot of eyes on them for a few days after this XD

woven isle
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hahaha, well i'll see if i can ping everyone xD

tardy perch
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At everyone won't work sadly. I guess uh...type in all caps if you find something XD

naive oxide
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first elder in our server i’m pretty sure pachypeek pachypeek

tardy perch
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Guardian dragons right?

naive oxide
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yep

woven isle
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yeap

tardy perch
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I grew a ASD for the sole purpose of testing elder there. But it's only JUST starting the passive process, so lawl. I'm nowhere close

woven isle
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oh well my bl is E, but hopefully that won't affect elder xD if it does...i'ma be sad lol

tardy perch
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It shouldn't

woven isle
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lets hope not

tardy perch
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If it's anything like legacy anyway

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The devs wouldn't dare make it so you need A BL, because good lord that would be aweful for PVP servers with big clans. The solo players don't need more against them

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And if they did make it that way I'm petitioning it to be changed XD

bleak python
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maybe its related to unlocking elementals ¯_(ツ)_/¯

tardy perch
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Doubtful since elementals aren't in

woven isle
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well we'll know in less than 12h if i actually hit elder or not 😉

tardy perch
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There's another player on a different 2x growth server that'll hit elder tomorrow too

woven isle
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nice, well we'll see then 😉 gn

tardy perch
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sleep well!

mint tulip
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the real question is now if you do elder will this mean others can elder faster now?

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or did jao pull a fast one on us

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so excited

tardy perch
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My guess (and this is just a guess), is that Serious will unlock the 'grindable' method and won't need to do pure passive eldering ever again on that server

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It's just about hoping there's a message when they do hit elder. Or if they don't, it won't take long to find something odd

mint tulip
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.... i am curious what the active method is... if there even is one still not convinced though I am hopeful

south quail
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I honestly dont even know if its in the game at this point ;-; i have a private server with some friends i play on, and have been looking every day since the 1.0 update came out

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I just dont heckin understand

steady rock
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How do we know if it's unlocked? And what if it's/species? we can't ask Serious to sacrifice his Elder to check XD

tardy perch
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My guess is once they are elder, they either hopefully get a message, or if not, we comb back through the hints and see if we can figure anything out for an adult they have on a different species

smoky hatch
steady rock
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Yeah they said there's no message

mint tulip
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oh ya what if it is only unlocking active for the species

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that would be terrible imo

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some of them take forever to elder passive

somber shuttle
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I dont like the idea of passive eldering to achieve active eldering. It doesnt encourage actually playing the game at all for months. Just logging for tics until elder. There has to be more to it than just passive a whole dragon. It needs to be something that pushes people to explore and play. Logging once a day is not a grind

acoustic holly
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If that is indeed how to get it, it’s not “cool” at all. It’s a joke.

somber shuttle
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I just dont believe Jao would put something that weak and mundane into the game. This is a passion project of his, and to put "wait for 3 months while logging in every day" as one of the core mechanics is almost unthinkable if he wants anyone to play it, and we know he does. I just know theres more to it that we havent figured out yet. The first tic might be a factor, but i dont believe eldering a whole dragon passively is the way to do it

dawn pelican
steady rock
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Wasn't IT already this passive? Together with growing...or nesting? Every mechanic was afk simulator so far, IT wouldn't be different

late venture
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it was passive long before elder shrooms were implemented

keen basin
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no

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there was no passive before elder shrooms

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they didnt add passive for 6+ months after

fading canyon
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i was about to say, passive came after shrooms

steady rock
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Yeah shrooms were first, but those aren't better either, due to the competition you were better off just afking at one shrooms until IT spawned

late venture
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true

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you better off just getting one shroom to get the last point and then passively growing

mint tulip
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see this would be the grind

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of time

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therefore jao didn't lie

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sorta

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not really

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who knows at this point

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just the loon who won't just give a proper hint or tell us

vestal gull
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has anyone managed to get passive ticks to 25% to try? i doubt its even in game but ye

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cause thatd be the first step i guess

tame crest
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Server I'm on has an elder ASD already.

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So you can hit elder, but no idea if they're doing anything to find the active system or not.

vestal gull
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thats with increased growth n such right?

tame crest
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Yeah a 1.5x growth server.

turbid prawn
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they are waiting for another tic rn which should be around 5 ish hours because it shows as 100% adult but no elder sounds and such

tame crest
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Nah this person on my server is full elder they have the elder calls.

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Unless you're referring to someone else who is elder.

errant shard
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hey i experience that i dont get passive elder tics on my fs past 20%... anyone exp the same?

compact reef
mild smelt
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any new things?

rapid radish
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Nope, waiting for Serious to tell us if anything happens after they reach elder

errant shard
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and i was on for like 15 mins

terse warren
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What server are you on? DoDFishPog

compact reef
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interesting

errant shard
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private server

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but i think this has nothin to do with it

fluid vault
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Weird things I've personally found so far (I'll update if I find more stuff):
-You can drink out of the huge tree at paradise
-The moon sets in the north

dreamy acorn
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Mmmm tree sap

turbid copper
fluid vault
turbid copper
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yeah, map glitches

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like when you can drink from the ground if you look down

woven isle
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lets see if i actually hit elder now with another tick...

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i'm elder

compact kindle
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Has it been figured out?

woven isle
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passive ticks

compact kindle
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Oooh okay okay

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Nice! Gratz on that dedication

woven isle
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thx, got a bad bl but at least i'm the first elder on the server ^^

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@naive oxide just hit elder 😉

small sedge
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Now you can supposedly seek that which you wish to become, whatever that part of Jao's last hint means 😂

woven isle
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ye xD now the real exploring starts ye? xD

high bane
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So you just collected your daily tics to be elder I take it?

pliant ice
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Please do let us know if you find anything 🙏

high bane
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What does he have to seek? He’s already elder?

small sedge
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The hint was to become what you seek in order to seek that which you wish to become

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Theory is, first passively become elder in order to find the method to actively achieve elder on other dragons

stray vine
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Now comes the question: will you see what the method is on that elder, or on the other dragons on the server?

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Or both

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I'm here for it either way

small sedge
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this part of the pinned doc makes me wonder if an elder has to be online to guide adults through whatever it is that's active eldering reythonk

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woven isle
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ye daily ticks on a 2x server, did hit 100% yesterday but had to wait for another tick to hit elder

stuck minnow
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Could it be an elder has to lead a group around and everyone gets a tick? That would be kinda neat

naive oxide
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congrats on elder!!!

woven isle
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well i'm gonna try to nest someone and see if that's how it works, like if someone has to be elder to nest ppl for them to be able to become elder

woven isle
naive oxide
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i just got out of the dentist so i’ll be home shortly!

proper patio
woven isle
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kk sweet, gonna try to do some nesting and hopefully that will ''activate'' active eldering on other ppl

woven isle
proper patio
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I'm definitely curious tho!

small sedge
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Bonk an elder and reap the benefits shibakek

proper patio
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I've been following this chat pretty closely because I love riddles, they keep me motivated 😆 I did have a thought that I had not seen mentioned yet I don't think but "doing dragony things" - sleeping/logging in caves?? Just a thought to spur collab 😊 I love hearing everyone's ideas

small sedge
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iirc that's been tried by several people already without any luck

proper patio
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Dang lol should have known 🤣 y'all think of everything!

small sedge
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Kinda glad too because sleeping in a game isn't my idea of a fun active method of doing something lol

pulsar swift
proper patio
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But then when they introduce new biomes maybe not 🤔 can't guarantee caves everywhere

naive oxide
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imagine bugs that change color/variety depending on biome

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instead of brown crabs we could get ice blue or teal or something that blends with the snow

woven isle
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well there's some crabs with other colors than brown i've seen em

small sedge
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It's supposed to be an active method too, and being a grind was also mentioned reythonk but honestly who knows at this point if Jao stuck with whatever method he was mentioning at that point or if things changed

pulsar swift
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What if the "active" method was the passive ticks all along. Like you actively log into the game to get the tick keknervous

small sedge
pulsar swift
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it sorta is dragony in a way. While you're logged out your dragon is hibernating, logging in wakes it up, gets some food and water then go back to hibernating. Its non-campable, grindy

rapid radish
naive oxide
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if that’s it i’m quitting lmao that’s boring as hell

small sedge
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Maybe the level of boring will change once there's more to do and you can actually keep busy and engage in boss / miniboss fights but especially on PvE servers there's nothing that encourages people to leave social areas like BR. If the only method of eldering is also boring... screaming

knotty pulsar
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If that's the case, the last hint made no sense....gotta keep looking

turbid copper
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Yeah, passive eldering an ir or fs would be a pain and boring tbh

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if that's the case

small sedge
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Regardless I don't really have plans to work on eldering any of my dragons until I inch them up to much better stats. Right now I'm just getting the occasional passive tick from logging in as I'm helping others get up to Abl, so especially if I'm replacing dragons every few days or couple weeks there's not much of a point in me trying to elder at this point if, were I motivated and logging in every 12 hours (which isn't possible with my work schedule anyways), at minimum it takes the better part of 2 months to achieve elder status

sly cedar
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At this point I'll be taking another long break until they have more in the game. Sitting around for elder isn't fun. And don't tell me to nest, because I personally don't find that super fun atm. The game needs more to do. So I will wait.

velvet thunder
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it's when you reach clouds for the first time, it resets when you log off, so basically it procs at each games (idk if someone replied to you :') )

small sedge
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Now if there was a genetic stat boost or something else that came with it? That would be valuable. Maybe not for FS/IR's time frame but.

marble adder
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maybe raising young? something more social the post said lol

small sedge
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but yeah I'm basically feeling the same as Bublio. There's not much to do and taking a break until brood watcher releases is super tempting, cos at least then nesting will have more rewarding results

rapid radish
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I think the nesting will be better when the brood comes (at least I'm really hoping it will get better).

tame crest
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I'm genuinely dreading blitz upstatting haha

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Broodies are gonna be in demand cos of that single egg.

pliant ice
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Where we getting the one egg info from?

small sedge
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single egg? EYES

pliant ice
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on the concept art for it theres 3 eggs

proper patio
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I think the idea of eldering being both more social but also solo-able is contradictory 🤔

small sedge
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honestly I'd kill for a lore-based riddle to puzzle out

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but like, an actual full riddle and not just one bit that's "become an elder and then look for how to become an elder"

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There oughta be some kind of direction given imo, otherwise people just end up ridiculously frustrated because there's nothing to go off of 🙃

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Posted this yesterday, but this is what I mean by a full riddle

somber shuttle
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Where was it said to be more social and soloable though? I know he said he wanted the game to be more social, was it specified to eldering?

small sedge
steady rock
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Great another Way to force players into interactions they don't want...I don't get his aversion to solo gameplay, there's nothing wrong with wanting to achieve stuff on your own!

small sedge
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Honestly I kind of hope that part isn't true and it's just as achievable solo. Some days I don't feel like making conversation, and some days there aren't even many people online 😂

steady rock
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Exactly

prisma mirage
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I'm guessing no one has figured it out yet ; ;

fluid vault
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Kinda wondering if the eldering system is actually bugged and the thing that's supposed to trigger it has already been tried. I mean, Jao doesn't even let the other devs test it, so...

pliant violet
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blerg untested eldering system means no system in my experience

prisma mirage
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That's what I've been thinking. Wondering if he has tested it at all after 1.0 update.

tardy perch
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Man the trust issues in this paticular thread are through the roof. the person who became elder today hasn't even had time to explore and see if they find anything

prisma mirage
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I never said I wasn't looking forward to that lol it's just something that has been on my mind for awhile now. In this instance, I wouldn't say it's trust issues but rather a possibility because things happen. The game does in fact have many bugs, it wouldn't be surprising if eldering is too. Stuff happens, things break.

tardy perch
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Wasn't really refering to you specifically. They know who the yare lol

prisma mirage
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But hoping this person who became elder finds something.

tardy perch
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Me too. We gotta give them time though

mellow dawn
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I was looking over the theory document and was wondering if in the be a dragons part maybe these feats of strength can only be performed one on a server. Like the flight route maybe this can only be done my a few amount of people before it’s “all used up”, same agility test with flying threw ravine. The more it’s done the less proactive it will be towards progress. That would make it more unique for each player as well as putting a cap on farming the method

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Have anyone tested the agility flights on a fresh server like just booted up?

compact reef
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what happens at 100% hunger and thirst

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do you just die instantly

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or does sickness build up

pliant ice
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you take chunks of damage til you die or refill

compact reef
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i was just reading about the old torpor mechanic that changed to sickness so was just wondering lol

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was wondering if you would take damage if you were 100% hungry while sleeping

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lol darn

scarlet plover
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youll slowly die

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You can text me if you have a questions and Ill explain everything

compact reef
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gotcha so even when you sleep sad face was hoping for some weird hibernation thing

errant shard
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what if the active eldering way(s) r not implemented yet cause they r either not finished or buggy but noone tells us cause the probability is high that a remarkable amount of ppl would rage quit the game and wait until its finished?! im not saying it is not implemented... its just a question like "what if"

tardy perch
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I'm not even going to entertain that what if

errant shard
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im also hoping very much that it actually is already implemented

granite smelt
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Are their supposed to still be elder shrooms on the lowspec branch?

tardy perch
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Most likely not. why are you finding some there?

granite smelt
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Some of my players have yeah

jolly topaz
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???/

tardy perch
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Lawl. I guess Jao or them didn't remove them from their spots in legacy

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Well uh...enjoy getting some extra growth on SS, ASD, and FS while they are there. they probably will remove them though

jolly topaz
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they arent in the normal game right?

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ive checked the old spots for shrooms

short pine
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Low spec uses the old legacy map, not the new one, so likely just overlooked when porting it over for players to be able to play with less requirements.

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Not normal in 1.0.

granite smelt
tardy perch
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Yeah nah it's just on lowspec because lowspec is using legacy's map, which did have shrooms placed aorund

lone gulch
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Are you guys still searching?

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idk i gave up, but still checking the doc every now and then in case anyone has a new theory that we can thoroughly test out

tardy perch
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Well me personally the lead I wanna explore is gonna take me some time. But there's at least 2 people who hit 100% elder via just passives today, so now they are looking to see if that unlocked a second method

granite smelt
tardy perch
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Oh my. So an SS eating that blue shroom you found didn't give them elder progress?

granite smelt
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Apparently not

short pine
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Okay so the 1.0 low spec just has more food variety.
Still cool, Hope we get to see those mushrooms still in 1.0, Just not for eldering

orchid barn
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As dreadful as shrooms were, I miss legacy rn

carmine ivy
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If eldering is endgame, do you suppose that counts flat A stats?

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Because the “game ends” when you die. Or your dragon ends… unless you nest… but you can’t nest yourself.
So we are meant to grow, nest, die. Grow, nest die.
… it is so many hours. And on PvP where you can barely exist as an E spawn, without permission. Let alone a “valuable” bloodline that sometimes has more E’s than a rerolled E blood.
mildpanic

tardy perch
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I kinda hope it isn't purely because of how brutal of a requirement that is for elder. But I suppose eldrs are very valuable to have in combat so...by nature it should be quite hard to get. But it should still be a process that both clan and solo players alike can do, and limiting it to A BL even is much too difficult to impossible for olo players

deft spruce
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i think

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we just need come become old in the game

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to be considered an elder

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and then we pass a trial to get the elder stage

small sedge
barren cave
small sedge
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Not much else useful other than "become an elder to look for how to become an elder"
Which doesn't exactly give much direction for after you become an elder awk

pliant violet
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KEK So no active way to become elder, gots it

deft spruce
small sedge
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Playing for many hours without a specific task is still passive tho sobbu

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There's supposed to be a discoverable active method

hollow quarry
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I dont think there is an active method.

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theyre just saying it to enjoy the show.

barren cave
somber shuttle
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I really doubt theyd do that to the community. Even they have to know thats a terrible move

stray notch
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anything new?

agile edge
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Nope

stray notch
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this is silly.

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one day, day of dragons would be proved a failed project. remember my words

somber shuttle
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I think it technically already qualifies as not failed tbh. Its gone much farther than what we'd thought we'd get from the kickstarter. And came from a terribe tech demo into an actual game. At this point, its not a failed project, and its not a scam. Its just in progress. Theyre trying something different from other games and it will take some trial and error

stray notch
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lots of what u said is true, but i still believe this game has something done wrong

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its either a scam, bad development, bad leader or even bad game overall

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something about this game telle me its not gonna have a long life

somber shuttle
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Honestly, i dont agree or disagree. Only time will tell what happens based on the decisions of the devs, and how much content is given

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With more things to do in the game, it could have a good lifespan, but if its just breeding and trying to elder than no. But we will see with the world bosses and questing

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The game has a very good foundation and concept, and theyre even tying lore into it. If they can bring the in game world to life more, it will do very good

agile edge
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Game development takes a lot of time and I’m sure there is a ton on everyone’s plate. I just think the eldering hints did more harm than good, as it left many players confused and frustrated. I’m thankful for the players that have shared their passive eldering journey with us, so we at least have some info. CheeseLordDragonHeart1

somber shuttle
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Just want people to keep in mind that losing hope on a game this early in development with such a small team is borderline unfair. If you dont like where it is now, check back in in a year and assess it again. But the community as a whole has been ripping Jao apart, and you can see how it hurts him. They are trying, whether decisions are good or not, its all a learning experience

sly cedar
sly cedar
pliant violet
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Honestly.... they could do a lot more with half a mil being raised for this game only for it to not be the same as Evrima or even the isle. Sure you can pick babies up and carry food, but now we can't pick something up that is as heavy or heavier, but we can't carry chunks of that food. And the passive eldering, sure, makes sense, but we have to log on every 12 hours to get a tick, which makes it moot to just hop on for a single elder tick and then wait another 12 hours to hop on for that elder tick. The quests aren't even in the game yet, which would have been another thing to do. And the hints to how to elder, no idea what buddy is even talking about because there seems to be no active way unless it is literally to have one elder and then have people be able to pick up elder ticks from being around said elder. There's no shrooms to elder, there's apparently no way to actively elder around the map. The map isn't even fully finished, thus the active way to elder likely isn't even in the game yet if it is something that can be a location or even multiple locations. Hell, they are still making people pay for DLC's when they are making so much money from people paying for the patreon every month. Approximately 21k a month. And that precious code can't be shared among a team of coders to make the game better faster?

somber shuttle
pliant violet
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I can. Because they're using the same engine, and they have completely changed the game with that engine vs their other version being the legacy version.

sly cedar
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Doesn't Path of Titans also use that engine??

somber shuttle
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The Isle has been in development for almost 10 years. This one is on year 3.

pliant violet
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And they're using the same engine that Evrima is using. How long was the isle in development for the legacy version and then the evrima version? 10 years is split between the two separate versions. We have essentially the exact same game with less. Less bug spawns, less active eldering, less everything. Legacy is practically better than this version.

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The only difference so far is the map has bigger landmarks. And more trees.

tardy perch
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I hate to break it to you, but your math is wrong

tame crest
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That's not how it works, UE5 hasn't even been out 2 years yet let alone 5.

pliant violet
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I didn't say how it was split tbh

tardy perch
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If you are truly gonna use Isle and DoD as comparisions for develop times then, it's actually Isle has been developing Everima for like...hmmm 4 years? Give or take, since Evirma is on UE5 , and like Cipher said, UE5 is only a couple years old after it tell developers get their hands on it. (although it's on 5.0, while DoD on 5.2 and utilizes a lot more U5 has to offer than what Isle uses. But 5.0 is more stable).

bleak python
tardy perch
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But DoD did the SAME thing. they started working on UE5 the moment they could, just like Isle. So we have to be fair and see wher eEvirma is compared to DoD. I'd say the yare both the same

bleak python
tardy perch
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Most of DoD was being made in UE4. Some years of it in fact.

tame crest
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Did I maths wrong with DoD? Is it 4 years? :V

tardy perch
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I'll look up to be sure, it FELT like it's been 4 years but honestly? It's probably less tha nthat

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You are right Cipher. 2022

somber shuttle
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I think the kickstarter was in 2019, I dont remember the official release date

tardy perch
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So only 2 years

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You are correct Athena. DoD's KS was in September 2019

tame crest
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Okay released in 2019, and ported to UE5 when?

tardy perch
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So half of DoD's development time was spend on UE4.

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Hmmm let's see if I can figure that out XD

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I honestly think Jao was ON TOP of UE5 the moment he could get his hands on it, so most likely he started working on the port mid 2022

pliant violet
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4 almost 5 years of development. Apparently they claimed to have been working on it for an additional 2 years prior to the KS. So that would bring it up to 6.

tardy perch
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Hold on now Scar

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You said we can't use UE4 development as if it counts

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At least that what you said for Isle.

pliant violet
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Incorrect, I did not state that.

tardy perch
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You basically are saying that we shouldn't count Isle's development years -pre-evirma because it was on a different engine

pliant violet
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Then you wish to state that DoD only really was being developed for 2 years?

tardy perch
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Only if you are stating that Evirma's development time is what we are focusing on

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But no not ENTIRELY that ver batum

oblique cipher
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can we stay on topic pls about eldering

tardy perch
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Can do. As far as eldering goes, we are seeing if the people who made 100% elder can find anything on their other adults. Some are making brand new adult to test on so they still are growing

oblique cipher
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hmm hopefully something is found out today

pliant violet
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Likely won't until the end of the soft release.

tardy perch
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I wouldn't count on anything today, mostly because even though we have like two people in this chat 100% elder, the second method, should it exist (and I do beleive ti does) could have any sorts of triggers. And that's only if we guessed right on needing to have eldered once via passives.

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We need to give those players time to explore. So it's really up to them. And anyone else who still is trying.

hazy mural
#

so has anyone had a Galaxy Brain Idea/Theory so far?

languid spoke
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Progress report?

torn peak
mint tulip
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so any luck?

mint tulip
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that is my theory

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however I am hoping someone proves that theory wrong

torn peak
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like a other stuffs

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they just miss typed words

mellow dawn
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Have we tried crying really hard? Cause that’s my next step 😀

torn peak
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only passive eldering works and that is what they mean

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in their word about elder system

torn peak
#

stay strong big and chonky

mellow dawn
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Sympathy points are still points

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XD

untold barn
carmine ivy
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Where my clan is we have absolutely no ability to really apply anything we learn. But.. I have dreams, too. We peasants want to dream of success.

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One of the only things I never accomplished under the same clan tag on US1 was eldering. But that was only made impossible by an unstoppable force, not really by our capability to do it.
It now sounds a lot more do-able. Just eludes me, like everyone else here I guess. and I have a passive fear that it is somehow still being gatekept xD

native yacht
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im off work and back to elder investigating.

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@woven isle did anything happyen when you got that finally tick?

dense onyx
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have any leads been found yet?

mint tulip
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not since we figured the first step

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if that is the true first step

carmine ivy
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It is a lil vague but I get why it would be.

heavy ridge
# dense onyx have any leads been found yet?

#patreons-palace message this was the last clue, right after a message where he reiterated "steps on a ladder"

There's a split on the assumption that ^ means either you need to hit full elder on one dragon passively, or first tick/25% elder (mostly due to Jao expecting us to uncover it in under 2 weeks), and then you can start discovering the next steps to active ticks.

We've had 2 people hit full passive elder on ASD (private, 2x growth servers) and we can confirm that there is no additional message.

The search continues.

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|| [if anyone wants to get upset about that being in patreon chat, staff has banned Jao from general. 3 guesses as to why, the first 2 don't count. We want him to actually finish the game, not get depressed ❤️ ty all for your time] ||

prisma mirage
tardy perch
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lol you linked to a no access channel XD But I'm guesing it was PT chat. It's fine though. I think for now people who are serious about trying to find elder will keep trying and most others will just wait till the beans are spilled.

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Atm we are seeing if people who got full elder with passives can find anything weird on new adults they get grown

carmine ivy
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What ever happened with the elder ASD nest?

tardy perch
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Nest? I actually don't know what you mean. All I know is Serious got to full elder (they did need that last tick for the game to say he's elder). What they've been trying to do since I dunno. That is up to them what sort of kooky things they try in the name of elder science

late venture
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okay, whoever has reached elder, do you get your 4th mutation point when you hit elder?

heavy ridge
devout kettle
dawn pelican
late venture
compact reef
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what was the patch

woven isle
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When u hit elder u get ur 7th mutation point 👌🏻U get one on 25%, 50%, 75%, 100%, then u need to wait for another tick to go from adult to elder, at least that's what i had to do

royal sundial
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Did anyone try to be in a full group filled with only one species? Could fit since it's social and you are are what you seek and seek what you want?
So for example a SS in a group full of only ss?

pulsar swift
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you will never be able to find 10 peaceful people there despairge

royal sundial
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and regular pvp? i could try with my clan

frail salmon
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Any progress?

compact reef
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nope

frail salmon
proper patio
compact reef
proper patio
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I tried logging in various caves running on a theory that maybe since the crystals can't be interacted with, that it could be based on exposure or being near them. But no luck there lol

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I guess next idea would be actual exposure, but standing in a cave until I have to eat/drink again doesn't sound cool 🤣 I know nesting in crystal caves was already tried too

compact reef
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Im still doing weird tests as well no luck lol

proper patio
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To some degree it's fun experimenting, but consistent disappointment isn't fun lol if I find anything new with the various quirky tasks I'll let folks know!

compact reef
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same lol

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I even tried getting 100 food and water while sleeping XD thought maybe id enter some hibernation state

rough root
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No new leads alas. And sadly, Iso has left us (hopefully not forever) due to a sudden ban. I'll be trying to keep them updated on progress made 🙏 Hopefully they can get a convo going with Midnight or the lead mod.

compact reef
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have they confirmed the green water spots are just visual bugs or for deco yet?

dreamy acorn
#

NOOOOO iso carried 😔

compact kindle
sly cedar
compact kindle
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Hope they are able to come back and it wasnt anything serious, Theyve been dedicated to this dicussion since day one

half hound
balmy moss
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Ok so I have theory I don't know if anyone has pointed it out yet. I'm new. So the riddle says you must take the first step to be a elder to become a elder basically. Probably meaning logging in for the passive tick. And that first step must be the first "stage" of elder. What's so special about the progression of elder? We get mutation points every 25%. So I'm at work so I can't check it but can anyone look at the bottom of the mutation branches for any hint of passives or activities? That's my small theory. Hopefully this means something.

turbid copper
compact kindle
heavy ridge
balmy moss
compact kindle
balmy moss
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Hmm darn. Makes sense. Cause what's an elder. An elder is a creature that has basically experienced everything... welp that's all I got for now.

stray notch
dreamy acorn
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What would be really cool is if you're 3/3 social, n all your kids hatch and grow to adult successfully and that's 1 tick

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But I'm sure that's been tested unless it hasn't

compact kindle
balmy moss
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That's what I'm doing right now.

deft patrol
balmy moss
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I have all 3 in social. But only had 2 eggs as a ir last night.

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And was .9 elder when I logged in yesterday.

deft patrol
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And since it should be grindy I could see high requirements

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Like progress per 100 eggs or like that xX

rough root
balmy moss
dreamy acorn
compact kindle
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Keep in mind it needs to meet certain requirements, like uncampable, Grindy? Can be done on ALL different play styles (Survival, Fantasy, PvP, PvE, DvE, CvC) and all the different maps aswell

balmy moss
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For pve. It's bragging rights and a status. Pvp. It's a warfare advantage... hmm

dreamy acorn
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Maybe you need to successfully raise 3 batches and each kid from all 3 batches needs to be alive in order to progress

compact kindle
balmy moss
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They did say it was grindy right.

amber goblet
amber goblet
balmy moss
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I think we are all close.

compact kindle
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If nesting eldered you, we would know, thats all anyones been doing since day one across multiple servers

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PvE players would absolutely know lmao but they don't yet

balmy moss
compact kindle
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You also cant nest Solo

balmy moss
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Gotta check all the requirements then boop

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Did they say the "quest" can be done solo?

lone pulsar
balmy moss
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If they said it can be done solo then all this can be thrown out. UNLESS! they are including the passive tick as well for some reason. That, I need clarification on.

compact kindle
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There is no clarification GooseWheeze

balmy moss
compact kindle
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These are things that we've been getting told for months before the update launched

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We could have been mislead sure, or it could very much be true, they will not confirm or deny anything right now and asking questions gets you the answer "Redacted"

balmy moss
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I'm gonna have to dive into the sacred texts on this server now aren't i?

compact kindle
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You are on your own with virtually no hints

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Only given what we as a community have already trialed and failed

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Weve already been into the lore theres nothing there either

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I went through every update note and patch note since the beginning of time

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Only found one lead but I dont think anything came of it

balmy moss
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That's what I'm afraid of. What they have told us. If there was 1 mistyped thing. We are far off the beaten path my friend.

compact kindle
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Ive been through every message posted by every individual dev (thats publicly available at least) within this server and the other Still got no leads

balmy moss
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What im going to have to do is look up anything the devs have typed for the elder thing. Done if before on another game. It's a lengthy process.

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Ohh ok

compact kindle
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Yeah I did that the other day GooseWheeze Youre welcoem to go through it yourself if theres anything I missed

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I did post my findings in this chat somewhere

balmy moss
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Like 1 post contradicting another?

compact kindle
# balmy moss Ok 1 question. Did you find anything conflicting?

The only things I can say I found worth mentioning is 1. During the first elder system change people mistook it as removing the current method and making a whole new one when infact all that was being done was adding more (at that time mushrooms) to the map. And referenced the name of the map "Forgotten forests" to hint on where to look for the new update.
2. During a very early patch note it lists the scent trails, in there is a trail for sniffing "Clues" the trail is yellow the same color as nests. There is no update proceeding this one that says its been removed or changed but people have been noted stating they have seen Orange scent lines which are not listed on the scent trails at all its not an available color.

balmy moss
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And this change was way before release? The 1.0 release?

compact kindle
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The first point implies we may be taking things to close to heart and looking too far into it and it is truely just a very simple thing.

  • There has been no actual confirmation (feel free to correct me if you have proof of otherwise) that "ACTIVE" eldering is in the game only that "Eldering" itself is, which may imply that passive is the only way to elder at the moment, and the changing coming in a near update will add in active eldering. But we want Active eldering that we are looking very hard at these other messages. When questioned during the Q&A directly about ACTIVE eldering they responded with "Redacted"
compact kindle
bleak python
compact kindle
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The scent trails were also in legacy, but no further mention of it has been made

balmy moss
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Just for clarification eldering has been "changed/updated" before and called such, but this eldering right now how did the devs call it? New, updated, or changed?

compact kindle
compact kindle
bleak python
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I sniffed once and it was basically a heckin rainbow on my screen all the colors

Blue, Purple, Red, Green, Yellow & Orange

compact kindle
balmy moss
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Ok let's look at the colors. Orange... red and yellow make orange.

red musk
balmy moss
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Probably nothing

prisma mirage
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cries in colorblind

bleak python
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No

compact kindle
bleak python
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It was DISTINCTLY different.

compact kindle
red musk
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Would like to see you follow the orange line and show a screenshot of what is at the end

bleak python
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I have it was in river

balmy moss
bleak python
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It was a corpse

compact kindle
prisma mirage
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It'll be a bummer if it has something to do with the color sent ; ; the struggle

red musk
bleak python
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No

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Red is dead body

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Corpse is the GORE

compact kindle
balmy moss
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There's too many variables with pigmentation. Colorblindness. Saturation ect.

red musk
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Screenshot or it didn't happen xd

bleak python
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The ribs & blood after eating the dead body

pliant ice
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Do you recall around what area this was, Ruu?

bleak python
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And the only reason I noticed the difference between the yellow and orange is they are distinctly different when they show up at the same time but hard to tell apart separately

bleak python
compact kindle
bleak python
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Yes

compact kindle
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I can confirm there are no Orange lines there on my server, Ive been there alot to map out food spawns and never seen any, so the theory it was a corpse is likely the case

bleak python
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It’s a gore pile

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And it will sometimes lead to bugs that are hurt but not dead

red musk
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Il believe in the orange lines when I see a screenshot of one xd

bleak python
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I’ll try to get screenshots next time

red musk
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I would love a ping

compact kindle
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Could jsut be a visual glitch that happens sometimes

bleak python
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Ill try to remember to ping

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When it’s red lines they’re RED RED like stop sign bright red

dusk ravine
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orange is nests 🙂

compact kindle
dusk ravine
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if you have a nest of the same dragon type that is how you fine it

bleak python
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I’ll try to recreate it for you guys if I can somehow

prisma mirage
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I've heard my clanmates talk about an orange line and thought it was just someone bleeding but idk. I've been on DvE

bleak python
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And get one of each color

red musk
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They dont all have to be in the same screenshot, just seeing the orange one is good enough for me

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Il see if I can find like a half eaten dragon aswell and sniff it

compact kindle
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Welp time to go slay one of my friends and half eat them for SCIENCE pandaonfire

bleak python
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I’ll try to get multiple screenshots for each color

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Just so that it helps

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And it’s very thorough

red musk
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Might just have to bite one of my hatchlings for science xd

bleak python
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I’m not crazy I swear notlikeduck

turbid storm
red musk
bleak python
balmy moss
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Sorry at work so I'm missing alot. We need to organize. Start at square one. Is there anyway we can get anything from the devs mentioning elders hinting about the system pinned in this channel word for word. Verbatim.

turbid storm
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🥹

red musk
balmy moss
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I've been in this channel for only an hour but I feel covered in red yarn and a tin foil hat.

compact kindle
balmy moss
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I welcome it. Ahh the thrill. Its there.

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Just need the pieces

compact kindle
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Thats the problem tho, we dont have pieces, we have statements made but none have been confirmed or given as a "hint" we were told we will not get hints from the lead Dev himself

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So we are just analyzing every word they say in hopes to gain information from them enough to make our own hints and theories from

bleak python
# balmy moss I've been in this channel for only an hour but I feel covered in red yarn and a ...

Welcome to the Elder Theory Crafting, we ask that you keep all arms, wings, tails, and horns inside the ride at all times. This is for your safety, not ours. We have provided protective hats and red string. Please wear this at all times, again this is for your safety not ours. If you’d like to exit the ride at any time, please click your red shoes together 3 times and state “there is no eldering” until you are transported home. Remember, we are not responsible for any limb or sanity lost during this ride. Thank you, and enjoy the ride.

prisma mirage
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I mean we got "hint"/"riddles" but most were in pt chat and pt can't share it or we risk getting banned from the pt chat and warning strike.

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But pretty sure all those "hint" leaked in here anyway lol

compact kindle
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The only thing I believe that was mentioned in PT was to be an elder you must become an elder GooseWheeze

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Which isnt much of a riddle sounded like growing passively to me

red musk
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Only the last hint was a good one, but I think we had already figured out what the hint was telling anyway

balmy moss
red musk
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I hope the next one will be better

bleak python
balmy moss
rough root
compact kindle
compact kindle
# rough root ...Clues? *Huh*

Thats why it caught my interest, I tried to tag you in the original post not sure if it was the right crow tho... there is many crows in this discord GooseWheeze

bleak python
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Verbatim as I have the screenshot still

prisma mirage
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^

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I have one too

rough root
bleak python
# rough root ...Clues? *Huh*

That’s from Legacy but it might still be a thing. I’ve seen yellow lines! I’ve also seen orange (which aren’t listed there) and they’re very different from red! ^^

compact kindle
rough root
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I've seen... yellow, orange, red, blue.

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Oh and purple.

bleak python
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Purple is bug

rough root
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Yap

compact kindle
#

I have yet to see orange, but Ive seen yellow a few times

rough root
#

I saw orange, followed it and it was the corpse of a bug.

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Red was the corpse of a dragon or a bleeding dragon.

prisma mirage
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This is the first I'm hearing of a purple. I thought bugs were pink?

bleak python
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I’ve followed orange to player gore

compact kindle
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But my brain said That must be a nest! so I never follow and I dont remember where Ive seen them, Ive been on every inch of this map, inplaces I shouldnt be in for the map making so it could have been anywhere leading to anything

bleak python
compact kindle
prisma mirage
prisma mirage
rough root
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Okay yeah fair. I think it might just depend on your screen whether it looks more purple or more pink xD

bleak python
#

I feel super bad for anyone who’s color blind trying to hunt for ai

prisma mirage
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That's why I wish they made it so you can change the color. I have settings on my pc but they only help so much.

bleak python
#

Also fun fact ; purple is actually one of the most taxing colors to register on a computer

compact kindle
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Depends on the type of colorblindness, The AI lines really stand out for me, but I struggle mostly with yellow/red/orange/brown colors

compact kindle
prisma mirage
compact kindle
bleak python
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Isn’t it a shade

prisma mirage
#

Wack

bleak python
#

Like black / white

compact kindle
# bleak python Isn’t it a shade

something like this "The colour purple does not exist in the real world. Apparently it's true. A rainbow of light from red to violet floods our surroundings, but there is no such thing as purple light."

bleak python
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But violet is a purple

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?

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But violet is also a blue

compact kindle
#

Yeah purples are classed as hues of Reds or Blues primarily but our color receptors see it as its own color but apperently it is not

red musk
#

I want the mantis shrimps eyes

prisma mirage
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Apparently violet consists a single wavelength of light. Purple is a large range of colors.

deft spruce
#

Random subject - i just mingled with the Swedish Queen :)

compact kindle
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There is one color (I call it Blurple) that when I stare at it I cant tell... Is it blue? is it putple? It gives me a migraine

balmy moss
#

People already have looked into recessive genes with the 4th social mutation point right.

bleak python
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Yeah

compact kindle
bleak python
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There’s lotta nesters in PvE

compact kindle
#

^

bleak python
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Lots

compact kindle
#

somany

bleak python
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Only thing to do there is bonk

balmy moss
#

And we agree this can be done solo?

compact kindle
#

and explore !

compact kindle
bleak python
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Unless you’re me and run around with /pvp enabled for the cool eyes

balmy moss
compact kindle
balmy moss
#

So that rules out a symbiosis relationship between 2 different type dragons.

compact kindle
#

There is a Google Dox in the pins of this thread currated by our lovely crow, that I believe lists all the phrases and such said by the devs as well as some of the theories crafted and completed by the community

balmy moss
#

Although having a bio dragon sup up a reg dragon with steroids, to make a elder makes quite a picture.

bleak python
#

I mean there will be hybrids in the future

compact kindle
#

Honestly I think thatd be hularious considering PvP mass slaughters Bios by the hundreds constantly

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Imagine killing your way to elder

bleak python
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But I don’t think that’s how it works

balmy moss
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Solo rules it out

compact kindle
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Nah Hybrid is its own species and cannot be nested or nest

bleak python
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It would be cool if the ice wyvern and fire wyvern could like make a new wyvern

compact kindle
#

Steam Wyvern

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FOG WYVERN

bleak python
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Wind wyvern v:

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Air water earth 🔥

balmy moss
#

Ok maybe unrelated... swimming... what are its uses right now and can that be related to elder

bleak python
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Bruh then you could have lightning wyvern

compact kindle
bleak python
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WAIT IMAGINE THO

compact kindle
#

But we have tried swimming

bleak python
#

it’s like elementalist lux but wyvern edition ???

compact kindle
#

We have touched, swam in, ddrank from slept beside all bodies of water on the map

bleak python
#

My brain

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🤯

compact kindle
balmy moss
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Careful don't meltdown lol

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Overload

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I'm barely hanging on as it is.

compact kindle
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Been here an hour and is already dying

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Youre almost one with the rest of us, hive mind nearing completion

balmy moss
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My brain goo brrrrt

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Ok.. dragon growth stages. Hatchling,jv(cause I can't spell it), adult, elder.

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When you are growing as a hatchling you are still a hatchling. Same thing with jv. Adult...when you are still growing are you an adult still or considered a elder in progress. Bare with me.

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Cause when you reach 25% you get a mutation point. That is completely different from any other growth stage

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Cause you need to complete the earlier stages to get a point

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By that reasoning. I would argue that if you are an adult and started the growth towards elder you are considered a elder in progress.

compact kindle
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You start hatchling and are growing to juvi, You are a hatchling until Juvi, then once you hit juvi you are growing to become an adult, Then adult you are growing to become elder until you meet the threshhold

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After elder you will start growing to ceome ancient, (thats not here yet)

balmy moss
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Hmm ancient. That's new to me.. what im thinking is the rules and classifications have changed once you hit adult.

compact kindle
balmy moss
compact kindle
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You earn a point in hatchling and juvi aswell

balmy moss
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Only after finishing the stage

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Granted you get hatchling point at the start

compact kindle
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No, Hatchies get it really early on not at the end

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Same with Juvi its somewhere in the early/Mid stage

balmy moss
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Shoot really about jv?

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Ah darn

compact kindle
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Yeah, thats what Ive noticed

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In adult you jsut happen to get more, probably because this is the last stretch of your life currently, and youre now going from adult to senior so to speak, these are your wisdom years

balmy moss
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Alright, I was just trying to figure out the definition of elder. Because if we can clarify that we already in the progress of elder than that would change the riddle that rhino gave us

compact kindle
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Differentce between developmental growth and wisdom growth

balmy moss
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Ahh

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So the riddle could be explaining that we need to take the hard path to elder first before we discover the easier way

compact kindle
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IfI were to break it down Id say it lines up like Hatchling > infant/toddler years. Juvi > Childhood & Teens Adult > Young adult Elder > Seasoned adult to middle ages then Ancient > Old age / Seniors

balmy moss
#

I think im starting to understand what people are working on now

compact kindle
#

Reaching our midlife crissis?

pliant ice
#

already reached it DoDFishPog

compact kindle
#

Every day is a crissis here

balmy moss
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So question is what will we have access to or discover being a elder vs being an adult.

compact kindle
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I have an elder, its nothing. Ive seen nothing new other than beeing able to duel spec my dragon into a primary and secondary

balmy moss
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Dual spec?

compact kindle
#

Oh and cool ROARS

dawn pelican
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XD

compact kindle
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Duel spec > to be in more than one specialization tree. For me its Social and Scavanger for nesting and PvP balancing

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We get 7 total each tree caps at 4. This allows for one primary (full 4 points) and one secondary (three points)

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Or for those who dont max out trees a balance build of 2/2/3

balmy moss
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Oh ok. Well shoot. I'm about to throw out thw solo rule. What if it's a sherpa thing. Takes a elder to become a elder faster. That theory is currently being worked on. Hmm

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Whether being mated to an elder or being a hatchling to an elder. But elder shouldn't be a gene thing except for life expectancy.

compact kindle
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Being in the presence of an elder does nothing, being nested by one does nothing unless they are spec'd for social in which then it grants you better crit chance on skins or up statting

balmy moss
#

Which someone already mentioned rhino wanted that to mean something.

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Ahh

compact kindle
#

Eldering one dragon also has no effect on your other adult dragons in terms of passive tics either, they remain the same

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Havnt seen any changed around the map with the eilder either but that takes time to thuroughly comb through

balmy moss
#

Another question.. elder bile

compact kindle
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Being elder offers some bonuses to stats (not sure the percentage) the bile remains the same type but may last slightly longer when held, deal Slightly more damage and Regen slightly faster This is normal

balmy moss
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What if elder bile is the conductor

compact kindle
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You would need to elaborate further

balmy moss
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Thw riddle says we need to become what we seek. You need to be a elder to have elder bile. What if that bile has hidden traits.

compact kindle
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This would lock out dragons who do not have a bile attack

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Such as the Brood watcher

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The Zygovo aswell I believe, as their ability is defensive and self applied,

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Or the Singe Crest whos bile is used for healing others and is also not offense, it appears in an AOE phereamone to nearby group members

balmy moss
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Maybe it doesn't need to an attack. Maybe just a status buff. Like ir clock of flames. Can you do that lets say while laying on a nest?

compact kindle
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Laying down no sitting yes

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But the shadow scale cannot sit or lay down

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The Special abilities have been tested though, just not as elder since very few people have access to an elder

balmy moss
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I mean someone go for it

dawn pelican
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ok, so a friend of mine just told me that a friend of them found a greenish pearl like object, maybe flower like (?) when they spawned as an asd, when they noticed it and approached it, it disappeared. The cords where 403S x 729W . They didnt take any screenshots or video, so i do not have any proof, but this plays into the eon theory again.

compact kindle
dawn pelican
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to get more info

compact kindle
balmy moss
quaint ice
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I just did the The Shadow Scale Agility Test, with my 2nd elder tick, following the map correctly that supposedly gave someone 24% elder with no results -.-

compact kindle
balmy moss
compact kindle
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Also hard to test that, since passives are 12 hours apart, and require a loggout inbetween, how will you know

compact kindle
balmy moss
compact kindle
balmy moss
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Blagh

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This theory is sounding worse and worse

compact kindle
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There are alot of server settings that debunk alot of theories which is frustrating, Bloodline quality can be disabled in server settings, PvP can be, Items, Npcs, Quests, can be, Friendly fire, Clans, Even mixxed species can be disabled

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Nesting can be aswell

balmy moss
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I can see why people are starting to doubt

compact kindle
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And growth (which spawns people in as elders to start)

balmy moss
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Another question have the devs called the elder system a quest?

compact kindle
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No

balmy moss
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But its been called a "ladder."

compact kindle
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Yes

balmy moss
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So what we know so far.
Need an elder
Grindy
Non-campable?
Solo-able excluding elder help

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Ladder: either many steps or a process

compact kindle
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If you require another player as an elder then its not solo

balmy moss
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True im hung up on that

hollow quarry
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I mean the yellow lines lead to hints. It honestly would be cool if it's a rare spawn around a player.

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Explore, sniff, see clues, find item

balmy moss
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That's the problem yellow lines is that too old? Old data??

hollow quarry
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Not campable. Would resort to players having to explore.

balmy moss
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Or nothing to do with the map

hollow quarry
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True

balmy moss
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Can't be more non capable than that

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Campable

hollow quarry
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Yup

compact kindle
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And all the other data alongside it is still relevent and in the game which would imply the clue scent is aswell

balmy moss
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If I wanted to get real indepth with this I would rent a server for the elder theory clan.

compact kindle
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I own a server its where I do all my testing lmao

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We sit on base official growth rate so it doesnt interfere

balmy moss
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Tbh offical growth is perfect

compact kindle
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Tell that to Free for all PvP servers with mass KoS GooseWheeze Many would fight you on that front

balmy moss
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I would tell them git gud lol nah

compact kindle
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RiP Casual players

red musk
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so yea about that sniff lines, orange is for carcases, red to dead bugs and yellow to nests

image.png
balmy moss
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Hmm ok.

compact kindle
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wow that is ORANGE

balmy moss
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You know it might not look like it, but I feel like we accomplished something today.

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I guess that rules out colorblindness

compact kindle
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Yeah I can definately see the difference between the red and orange here, I have never seen the orange

red musk
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this was a first for me too

rough root
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Oh that is more orange than it used to be, I swear.

balmy moss
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Hey crow I was told you have a Google doc of everything said by the devs about elder?

compact kindle
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Its in the pins

rough root
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Yosh!

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I need to go through and update it with recent things.

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(Had a couple of irl busy days)

balmy moss
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Which channel for pins?

rough root
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Anyone can however comment. Meaning you can essentially write, then I can look through it and add it.

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Up thar

balmy moss
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Ok ty

heavy ridge
rough root
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You're welcome!

balmy moss
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Worse case we can send this all to a Stanford professor

compact kindle
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Didnt someone contact some youtuber that deals with game mysteries and theories or something

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What became of that

balmy moss
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Probably blocked 🤣

compact kindle
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Nah they went into their discord server to chat with the group or something, I believe they had a conversation there but I lost track of it after they were told that they wouldnt join the DoD server so investigation had to be done on Their server specifically

balmy moss
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Hmm yea I could see that being a problem

compact kindle
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I mean we ahve a google dox of information weve tried and tests so linking that would help investigate

balmy moss
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It would but they would be missing alot of info by not joining the discord. A detective doesn't refuse to go to a crime scene when investigating a crime.

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Disclaimer. I'm not calling this a crime

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Metaphor

compact kindle
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Would take the same amount of effort as it took to bring you up to speed aswell

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They would just need the game

balmy moss
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True

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I kind of see it as a advantage. Fresh eyes. I don't know the rules. So I question everything.

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I might be able to ask the right question that will give another person idras

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Ideas

compact kindle
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I agree having a fresh mind not berdended by the failures we have endured is good and healthy and productive

balmy moss
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Omw home!!

bleak python
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I mean technically

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Those who have elder should be re-going through all the theories

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To see if something triggers now xD

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But can’t ask that of them cause it’s what 2 people lol

devout anvil
devout anvil
red musk
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havent tested for dragonblood itself, just the halfeaten carcass that appear after eating a dragon for a bit

rough root
devout anvil
compact reef
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what if you have to be an ancestor XD

granite smelt
rough root
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No.

granite smelt
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But they achieved elder and was looking at what to do next, or am I confused with someone else

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Why suddenly banned?

prisma mirage
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Quite a few people got banned yesterday.

dawn pelican
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i dont think they got banned for just hitting elder, they probably did something

bleak python
bleak python
# rough root I'll DM you.

Careful.. Don’t want to spread stuff, either. Don’t need you catching one yourself. May just be best to not talk about it. :(

hollow quarry
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Imagine banning people for figuring out the elder system and wanted to help others.

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Granted I feel like they were talking out their butt because if they were banned, the messages would go away. So either they left or other reasons.

rough root
dawn pelican
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like i said, im pretty sure noones being banned for figuring out how to elder, they probably said something inapropriate or did something to get banned

rough root
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But no, it isn't for figuring out how to elder. None of us know that yet xD

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The search is still ongoing!

slender arrow
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You guys said jeo gave another hint ? What was it

prisma mirage
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But I'm going to keep it tight lipped for now as I don't want to be next. Just confused. Anyway- back to eldering

devout kettle
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Any luck?

acoustic holly
tardy perch
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We heavily suspect that becoming elder via passive ticks is the first step. But it's only been a day or two since some players have reached that, so now we wait and see if they foudn anything. Meanwhile I'm just trying to get to elder so I can join in on trying to find it

rough root
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Big yup. We await.

compact reef
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i just got my first point 25% flaming falls yaay

gloomy sand
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so whatever happened to the guy with the asd that hit 100%

tardy perch
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They haven't said anything since reaching it so my guess is they've not noticed anything weird. But since they haven't said anything, I dunno, they could have been busy since hitting it with other things.

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All I know is they for sure hit elder, they needed that last tick for the game to tell them they were elder

pulsar swift
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@woven isle I think it was this guy (please dont spam him with DMs)

tardy perch
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Yes it was Serious

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I'd imagine they just haven't found naything weird or new just yet. I mean it's only been a day or two

vestal gull
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or theyve been told to gatekeep 😔 low chance but could happen

woven isle
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What about me?

vestal gull
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hello friend

woven isle
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Haven't seen anything special yet no, also ppl cannot just dm me due to my settings 😂

gloomy sand
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so it says youre an elder, you have elder sounds and the full points?

woven isle
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Yeap and yeap

gloomy sand
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have you noticed anything on your other dragons getting their points?

woven isle
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Nope

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Nada

gloomy sand
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I swear it's gonna end up being that you have to kill off your first elder to unlock the eldering system

woven isle
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Tried nesting a couple of ppl, dunno if they've noticed anything

gloomy sand
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or else, how on earth are we meant to know what to look for

woven isle
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Well I'm planning on getting bl a so we'll see i gusss

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Guess*

steady rock
wintry turtle
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Am I the only one stuck on why tf Iso got banned cause... why?

steady rock
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Iso?

wintry turtle
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Someone said Iso got banned

steady rock
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I can still @ them, I don't think they are banned

prisma mirage
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Iso was very dedicated to this thread and yes they did but we shouldnt talk about it (as much as we want to) to avoid "misinformation" and it happening to anyone else.

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I could have sworn I saw it happen

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Triple checking

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They don't come up in the search for this disc

heady trench
prisma mirage
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But this isn't the place to talk about this. I don't want anyone else get in trouble.

devout kettle
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Seems kinda counterproductive.

cosmic river
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please stay on topic in this thread.

turbid prawn
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Still nothing new since serious hit full adult right?

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Elder I mean elder 😭

unborn ice
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Where’s the screenshots though

naive otter
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i have no more ideas what it could be honestly. been thinking but we've tested lots of stuff so im out of theories unless we need A stats for it. which i doubt so 🤷

pliant violet
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If we do, that is so mean to solo players and such.

rough root
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No news since a few people have reached full elder by passive ticks (on ASDs I believe)

rough root
naive otter
marble adder
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Is this new elder system also on the lowspec brance?

tardy perch
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I'd imagine so. But since we haven't found naything yet aside from passive ticks, we won't know. Not unti lwe find it

compact kindle
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If it is it cannot be map specific, since these are two different maps. anything location or even region base would not work

tardy perch
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One of Jao's hints was it;s not location-based, so yeah that further tells me it should be in lowspec too

rough root
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Not location based?

tardy perch
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yeah. As in none of the process involves going to a specific spot on the map

compact kindle
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No interacting with objects or spawn ins either

rough root
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Very interesting. Any images or sources that I can add in the docs?

compact kindle
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Dragon exclusive something you do to or with yourself regardless of where you are on the map CubuUhm

tardy perch
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Somewhere in the sea of messages here someone has compiled a list of Jao's hints

rough root
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Oh lawd.

compact kindle
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None are screenshots or images tho Crow

rough root
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Ah dang, no link to the messages either then I take it.

compact kindle
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I dont think we are allowed to currate screenshots anymore

rough root
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Not if they come from Patreon's chat no.

mint tulip
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we seem to be not allowed to do much anymore

compact kindle
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From what someone said yesterday, Jao is only speaking to Patreons due to his depression

rough root
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He's been active in there now and then.

compact kindle
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#1209681807746801724 message This one

mint tulip
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tempting to pay for it just to go in there

tardy perch
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One of his hints though was very convincing.

compact kindle
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Which?

tardy perch
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This

rough root
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Thank you kindly. I'll take a look and make sure anything is essentially written, then a link. Instead of a screen.

tardy perch
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Step 6 specifically

compact kindle
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The only thing 6 convinced me of is to passive elder GooseWheeze

tardy perch
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It heavily seems ot suggest you need to be an elder first via passives before anything else can be started

mint tulip
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would be nice if we got a warmer or colder atleast

compact kindle
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There is nothing more to start once you are elder tho, that is the end

tardy perch
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But only a FEW players have reached that, hence why I think more should stay vigilant so we have more bodies throwing at this lol

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You can start a new dragon obviously

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I suspect a fresh adult can find something new after you've done it

compact kindle
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I'm not killing my elder for a chance to extra passive elder GooseWheeze

tardy perch
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I didn't say it had ot be the same dragon species

mint tulip
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i would honestly

tardy perch
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But that COULD be it too

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I plan to off my elder the moment I get it

compact kindle
tardy perch
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And see if anything happens

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No server turns off your ability to spawn as any dragon though

rough root
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Generally? I just want to make sure we're not sharing something we're not supposed to.

tardy perch
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Don't share screenshots. That's all

rough root
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Yep.

mint tulip
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what like theories and ideas?

tardy perch
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Or like, none from other chats anyway like PT or KS chats

rough root
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Yep, that's what I'm understanding as well xD Hopefully Jao can get back on his feet.

mint tulip
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rip iso anyways second I get a elder asd imma try and get renested

tardy perch
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General chat should be okay if Jao drops one there

compact kindle
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Yeah Idk which quotes come from PT chat and whih from general, they all look the same really

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Its usually a cropped image

bleak python
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Well the most recent hint was apparently from PT chat.

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About passive eldering.

tardy perch
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Yeah. the one that heavily hinted that passive eldering first is needed

rough root
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I'm trying to take a look through his messages.

tardy perch
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But beyond that, the other clues should help a little

devout kettle
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Ooo hello you guys what's happening

mint tulip
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unfair btw that they get hints but we don't but whatever

rough root
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You're getting them here, through us.

bleak python
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It wasn't intentionally placed there to give them an advantage.

devout kettle
tardy perch
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Crow I already showed the hint list from players

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Did you miss it?

rough root
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I saw the link up in this chat only :<

tardy perch
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Here is the list Crow

rough root
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Thank you kindly <3 copying this

bleak python
# mint tulip unfair btw that they get hints but we don't but whatever

Jao was talking in PT chat about other things, was asked for a hint by someone, and gave the quote you've seen cycled through here a hundred times already. It wasn't an intentional "here because you're patreons have a hint", it was just where he happened to be at the time he was asked...

mint tulip
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Ok then so just accidental hint to patreon

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good that one of them came and shared it for the rest of us

balmy moss
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sips coffee its all related man. its connected. dont you see it man.

rough root
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Pretty sure he's given some in general as well.

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I think the first one was given there?

balmy moss
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points to the billboard of tangled red yarn

mint tulip
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best hint would be telling us exactly how to step by step

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:v

devout kettle
bleak python
balmy moss
mint tulip
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actually i think i would be fine if he gave us just the first step

devout kettle
balmy moss
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pepe silvia is connected somehow in all this

heavy ridge
mint tulip
devout kettle
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It genuinely just feels like a punishment. c':

tardy perch
mint tulip
tardy perch
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It's PVE anyway, no elementals will be on PVE XD

devout kettle
balmy moss
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im sure this channel offers devs good entertainment. YOU HEAR THAT DEVS! DO WE AMUSE YOU?

mint tulip
devout kettle
tardy perch
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I highly doubt Jao is takign enjoyment out of any of this

balmy moss
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yea...

devout kettle
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I hope not

mint tulip
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same

heavy ridge
balmy moss
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its there. i firmly believe it. we're just missing something

sterile isle
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Hey guys I just heard something from Callmepancake's YT stream that the streamer Locke(I think that's how you spell it) found some glowing orbs and slept next to them and it's increased his ticks has anyone looked into this?

balmy moss
pseudo walrus
heavy ridge
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People were pretty sure the glowing orbs were bugged eggs

balmy moss
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can we get a fact check on this

heavy ridge
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By all means, science away

tardy perch
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I recall him saying that, but they for one never showed the location. And two, I doubt it was accurate because it shouldn't be location-based

pseudo walrus
sterile isle
sterile isle
devout kettle
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And it'd check out as being more "dragony"

tardy perch
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That is true

devout kettle
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But

pseudo walrus
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ok

devout kettle
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Jao said any time of day right

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That theory limits us to night time

tardy perch
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I do not recall. Unless it's in that list, I dunno

devout kettle
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Maybe they spawn in the day too?

sterile isle
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Maybe, I don't know all the details

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It could just be that he happened found them at night

heavy ridge
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Echo (map designer) was saying a while back that Jao hadn't asked them to add anything regarding the elder system.
I feel spawn locations would be more.. that, even if randomized.
But something spawning above ground, x distance away from a partial elder... that might do it.

devout kettle
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Well, I guess were on the hunt for the glowing balls lads

tardy perch
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My guess is to even unlock the second process, you need to be elder once via passives. After that, I need to see if anyting happens on OTHER species that are fresh adults (both spawn and nested in). If still nothing, I'll be offing the elder that I passive did and see if it only THAT species had the method unlocked.

sterile isle
rough root
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Alright. Tried looking through all his messages. Nowhere can I find anything stating that it wouldn't be in a single spot etc.

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Ofc, might have been in a stream, in which casE? Well. Rip xD

heavy ridge
fading canyon
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Imma start searching around and sniffing a lot just in case, Assuming that sniffing for clues hasnt been taken out

heavy ridge
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Ai behaviour however, that's Jao's wheelhouse

sterile isle
tardy perch
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Jao can also poke the map too if he so desires. Not like he lacks the knowledge on maps either, he made the legacy FF map afterall

sterile isle
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This is a good point

tardy perch
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He wouldn't need Echo to do it for him unless he specifically waanted Echo to do it instead of himself

fading canyon
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What if someone whos already elder can boost the ticks of someone who needs to elder, Highly unlikely but just throwing stuff into the wind and hoping something catches

heavy ridge
tardy perch
#

Yeah possible

devout kettle
tardy perch
fading canyon
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Is there a msg stating that it has to be 100% soloable

tardy perch
#

I really don't think it's that but we do have to keep in mind all possibilities

fading canyon
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or any ss specifically stating its soloable, not Hearsay

tardy perch
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No there isn't

sterile isle
devout kettle
fading canyon
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i said this awhile back, jao only said he wanted to make it non campable, that doesnt necessarily mean it is 100% non campable currently

rough root
fading canyon
rough root
fading canyon
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and given the limited things we can do currently in game, we should look at the possibility of eldering being somewhat potentially campable

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the only way it wouldnt be would be by passive eldering, or preforming specific actions on your own randomly

sterile isle
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I'm gonna continue watching Pancakes stream could anyone look into Locke to see if there's any evidence from the horses mouth?

rough root
fading canyon
dry junco
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maybe you have to get your first elder tick to see something that helps you elder

fading canyon
#

It would be funny if ppl who are already passive elder could just "poop" out orbs that let you elder, it would be cooler if multiple ppl could lay by them too

pliant ice
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Golden goose egg… less golden… orb.. questionable orb

tardy perch
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That would be funny, but I doubt it's that

pliant ice
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I dont think Jao would classify that as ”cool” or ”grindy” but its a hilarious idea

sterile isle
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Okay Pancake responded to a comment in stream Locke wasn't streaming when he encountered the orbs

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But Pancake said that a couple other of his friends also said they've seen them apparently

bleak python
rough root
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Stream? What stream?

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Also; THE EON THEORY GROWS