New Elder System

[wide canopy]

Meaning mods/admins

2nd spot

[tame crest]

Well that's different usually since they're just unpaid volunteers, not the devteam in itself.

[wide canopy]

Yep

Thats a issue too

3rd spart is annoying to find gimme a second

[devout kettle]

Yeye np

Maybe try spit in them as bio

[wide canopy]

K

Bio is an accesory dragon tho

[tame crest]

To take a recent example, Eleventh Hour Games got absolutely grilled because of the absymal 1.0 release of Last Epoch and the criticism was fair until it was just people being rude for the sake of being rude. They put their heads down and keep working on the backend to get it functioning (which it does for the mooost part work), but the main bulk of the devteam stopped interacting with their Discord and instead used their creative director as a mouthpiece to keep everyone appraised of what was happening.

[steady rock]

Paid or unpaid they represent the authority ín the game and shouldn't be biased towards anyone neither ín a negative nor positive way

[wide canopy]

Im mainly targetted ingame :>

[tame crest]

Not saying they're not, and yes your mod/admin team are front-facing and need to be professional.

[steady rock]

But we aren't kept apraised at all on what's happening

[safe cape]

Let's keep the thread on topic, please! If anyone has questions on how to direct questions or comments related to a different topic, feel free to DM me. ^^

[wide canopy]

We are on topic tho

3rd spot

I just ate my poor bios hp via landing

[devout kettle]

Ty pookie

[tame crest]

Is there anything with these watersources? I've drank from one of them and used NV to look in it and I saw nowt.

[devout kettle]

I mentioned to kiu to try spit in it

[jagged scaffold]

I think I just understood the feedback thing.

[wide canopy]

Nuthin

[devout kettle]

Dang :<

[wide canopy]

Anyone else want me to test anything on bio?

(bio cant elder btw)

[steady rock]

Can bio spit make the cristals glow...differently?

[tame crest]

Not that I've seen

[wide canopy]

no.

[steady rock]

Dang

[wide canopy]

Bios an accesory/vanity dragonj

[steady rock]

IT would be cool

[wide canopy]

Since most concepts are loosely based on.. things, anyone tried flaming, plasma-ing one thing at once?

[tame crest]

I wanna say yeah this was something someone did but I dunno

I'm too brain-spent

[devout kettle]

Same

I think at this rate we'd be better starting a day of dragons conspiracy theory compile on what might and might not elder us xD

[late venture]

it's a lot harder to make your stats great for the IR/FS/ASD/SS because you can't see your recessive genes until you get Dominant in Social, and without an elder mushroom to get the last mutation point, it's kind of difficult to passively grow elder

[vernal plume]

So I can't find the exact quote again but it's the one that goes along the lines of difficult to do but cool once you know it. And tied to that the quote that says end game which adult is basically end game by this point.

So my thought is maybe something dumb like doing some aerial stunts like a backflip or a barrel row since flying is difficult for most but it would be cool to do?

[turbid copper]

You can't really do stunts tho

[deft spruce]

trying right now

Guys he might be onto something

What was the Elder point for IR again?

like actual tick

0.9 something?

[faint tendon]

0.9

[deft spruce]

yeah but exact %

like 0,983 or sum

or whatever it was

[faint tendon]

Don't see any search results in here about a more exact number than 0.9

[deft spruce]

ive got 12.7% elder tick on my IR rn

everytime i calculate 1.9 i get 12.8?

[regal oriole]

Wasn't it that in legacy that you grew faster / get higher elder ticks with a better BL?

[deft spruce]

shrug

if i do 12.7 / 7 i get 1.814

[red musk]

Can't a asd get above the clouds by running to the top of the mountain?

[deft spruce]

never mind what i was saying

it adds up

IR is 0.90714286 per tick

[pulsar swift]

Its a WIP, we landed on 0.917 a tick iirc after 6 ticks on officials

[pulsar swift]

You're a bit late, its in pins

[compact reef]

lol

[sullen cobalt]

Eyo, still no one figured out the eldering mechanic?

[plucky cosmos]

nope

[sullen cobalt]

Gotcha

Might as well throw in my own thoughts on this (dunno if anyone mentioned it before), but did anyone try to look underwater?

[plucky cosmos]

yes

[sullen cobalt]

Huh

[plucky cosmos]

the consensus seems to be we have done literally everything possible within the confines of the game, with a few very long term exceptions (18A dragon bloodlines being the one example I can think of)

and even that goes against the possibility of being able to solo grow

however, be not discouraged, give us your tests, and we shall take your sanity as payment to examine them 🙂

[steady rock]

[sullen cobalt]

Time to get cooking and lose my sanity then

[plucky cosmos]

remember that we have a pinned doc with some of the older efforts, and it also records the "hints" weve been given near the bottom

[sullen cobalt]

Yep, just finnished going thorugh it all

through*

[serene crater]

Sorry for the random question, but since it's apparently an end game activity did people try all the crystal/blood sacrifices/flying really high and stuff with a Bloodline A dragon?

[sullen cobalt]

I think it needs to be something that a solo can do as well, and i don't see this as being achievable for them

So should be doable with an e or d as well

[serene crater]

I mean, objective control isn't exactly soloable unless you find a very chill server

I didn't find the exact quote but isn't eldering something that will give clans more reason to enact territory control? (Which isn't exactly solo friendly)

[plucky cosmos]

thats why its supposed to not be campable, and not location based

[cinder musk]

unlikely anyone has a flat A dragon yet. We've barely gotten E's wiped out on a couple.

[cinder musk]

Its possible to be location based and still not be campable. Locations can be used as a trigger point.

[sullen cobalt]

Map pinned is accurate with all cave locations?

[plucky cosmos]

i am unsure, as i havent gone over it myself. however, pins require a mod/admin, so hopefully its at least approximately accurate

[sullen cobalt]

Perfect. Once i get home, i'll start searching for anything remotely related to what the tips in the doc are suggesting. Don't think i'll find anything but who knows

[plucky cosmos]

i wish you the best of luck

[sullen cobalt]

Also, say i DO find out how to elder, will i be allowed to post it here, or need to talk with an admin first?

[plucky cosmos]

i would hope you can post it here, because trying to hide a whole game mechanic from players seems...particularly, unwise? i guess?

that and it is the spoiler channel

[small sedge]

imo it'd be one thing if there was an actual riddle that's meant to be a challenge or something, if that makes sense

[plucky cosmos]

i swear if we needed to do arg-style analysis on all the hints

[small sedge]

Has there been more than the ladder "hint"?

[plucky cosmos]

in the pinned doc, and i would summarize but i cant remember them, sec

endgame, difficult to find but cool to do

[sullen cobalt]

Based on what's in the doc, it would seem that that's the only thing we have

[plucky cosmos]

and the REDACTED sentence

but yeah pretty much, they barely count as hints

[sullen cobalt]

First you have to walk before you can run

Literally what that tip gives us

[plucky cosmos]

alright, the rest of the seekers need to wake up to check and correlate whether or not walking has done anything

[sullen cobalt]

lol

[plucky cosmos]

its possible, as we've probably been sprinting/flying instead of taking hte time to smell the roses

[sullen cobalt]

Hmm

Are there any rock formations, vines, or general vegetation that resemble ladders in any way, shape or form

Even remotely

[plucky cosmos]

not that i know of

y'know, considering we can sniff stuff, that may actually work. walk a certain distance or something, sniff for a clue or something

[sullen cobalt]

Might work in uncovering something

[plucky cosmos]

perhaps

[sullen cobalt]

But where to perform such an action? That is the question

[plucky cosmos]

no idea, im personally just sticking around to see if someone finds anything, ive lost too much brain juice in theorizing

[sullen cobalt]

Hehe

Will try it myself, maybe something to be found in caves at first. I'll see if i can find anything out of the ordinary

[plucky cosmos]

make sure to record details so you can format a proper report for the group, as you will get mobbed by questions if you even have a hint of progress

[sullen cobalt]

Gotcha

[small sedge]

I think what's most annoying is that we have no idea if the hints are even really hints / meant to be cryptic I have enough trouble deciphering everyday things due to the ND brain

[turbid copper]

The ladder thing wasn’t literally, it’s a metaphor, also the mechanic it’s not made by a map maker, it’s made by a programmer, can’t be related to rock formations or grass

[sullen cobalt]

Would be fun to be taken at face value though

I won't lose anything but a bit of time in searching for something like this, so no issue for me

[turbid copper]

[rapid radish]

I'm still looking asd first ticks yes! ^^

Here's our daily princess 🫶

Also friendly reminder to check the pinned document ^^

[deft spruce]

Lets boycott the game until they tell us x)

[sweet flicker]

If you think about it, if they haven't actually added it yet, saying there is a hidden way just to make people look for it makes sense

[wooden marsh]

if we're gonna run with the "endgame" ball, 18A isn't it, 18A++ is the endgame.

[sullen cobalt]

This would be a d move, honestly

[sweet flicker]

Well, I guess, but it makes people play more, while waiting for future updates.
Which in the end is what a game devs wants really

[mild smelt]

• and ++ on the a is only possible with domination would make no sense

[wooden marsh]

so how do we have D+ stats etc without dom ?

[mild smelt]

thats normal without dom is the highest flat A

[wooden marsh]

is that confirmed that A's can only get a + with domination perk?

[pliant ice]

You can get the dom stat at 25% elder progress so we can get it passively but it takes a looong time

[wooden marsh]

also I remember Jao telling me we could get A++ without broody so where you getting that info from?

[mild smelt]

legacy breed system - brood watcher is not in the game and the new breed system is not in the game too

[wooden marsh]

so we don't have a breeding system in game? lol

[mild smelt]

we have a breeding system but the old one + rezessiv gene

[wooden marsh]

OK I'm gonna leave coz you're not making sense, there's a whole new doc about the breeding system we have after 1.0 so idk what you're talkiing about

[mild smelt]

if you have a better knowledge let me know

[plucky cosmos]

ok, thats enough

we all want to enjoy this game

lets not get frustrated at each other

[pliant ice]

Yeah let's not be toxic :/ We're all tryna figure this out. Tensions are high but no need to take it out on anyone

[next flint]

We're watching this channel, but personally we've given up looking.

[mild smelt]

I'm sorry if my response came across as rude. I was just asking if you could explain why what you're saying should work or if you have different information than I do.

[plucky cosmos]

if anyone gets too tense, frustrated, anything, take a break, and cool your head. its what i do

[mild smelt]

And how does supporting the game through Patreon make me arrogant?

[next flint]

I hope you guys get lucky, the amount of work you put into this.

Way more patient than I am

[devout anvil]

blinks loudly

[devout anvil]

We have the most basic nesting system, honestly even more basic than Legacy’s

[mild smelt]

Of course, throw around garbage and then say nothing when it doesn't go over well.

[plucky cosmos]

Phinnix, please, let's not take this any further

[pliant ice]

^ There's no point in fighting eachother, let's all take a break

[mild smelt]

anyways did we have any new theories?

[naive oxide]

yeah let’s not, we’re here to brainstorm, not call each other names and cause drama

[plucky cosmos]

no we dont

still

WAIT

[mild smelt]

for?

[plucky cosmos]

we did, up in the chat a new guy came in and suggested walking around vs sprinting/flying

have we tried that anywhere?

a sort of "smell the roses" approach

[mild smelt]

on our server we tride some ways to fly and run/swim around does nothing this time saddly

[deft spruce]

• End game. The game is more than just growing and surviving. Once an adult, players will have the option of pursuing the journey to becoming an Elder Dragon, unlocking skins, mutation points, and (coming soon) other dragon species, elementals, or quest to discover lore or hunt down the dangerous creatures of Jrakhon for elusive Dragon Pearls!

Says on their website

[plucky cosmos]

im curious why its considered an option

[devout anvil]

i’m kinda sick of people saying insane stats are endgame

[deft spruce]

Thats obviously not endgame

[devout anvil]

stats aren’t necessary for eldering at all

[plucky cosmos]

its a method to do something, and shows active results

[deft spruce]

Like, where do stats come in here?

[plucky cosmos]

its our current endgame

tho tbh, i havent joined in, taking the time to do all that is not my cup of tea

[deft spruce]

Im 100% active eldering isnt a thing until elementals are added

[devout anvil]

our current end game is grow to adult and fly around or occasionally breed with someone LOL
(Literally legacy2)

[pliant ice]

Stats weren't necessary in legacy but that might be why we don't know about now and haven't found the new method yet.

I hope its not stats but who knows

[plucky cosmos]

we all want it to be possible to elder from a fresh spawn, solo

it wouldnt make sense otherwise, what with the single player mode that's been...promised? or at least we were told it would have an SP mode

though SP fantasy is probably a whole different ball game compared to SP survival

what with npcs and quests

[devout kettle]

😭 lmao

[mild smelt]

How did you get that information?

[deft spruce]

Nah i just ment like im 100% convinced thats just how it is

It might be coded into the game which is why they’re saying”its in the game”

But we dont have access to it yet

[plucky cosmos]

didnt we get info saying we had the tools to get elder already? which doesnt exactly disprove what you say, it could just not be active

still, we should work under the assumption that we aren't being trolled

if it becomes too much to keep trying, then take a break, seriously. we make jokes about SAN loss here, but if its actually affecting your mental health, take a breather

[mild smelt]

That honestly doesn't make sense if they say we have to figure it out and the elemental is still not available in the game

[pliant ice]

The first elemental won't be in until 1.0.4, and Jao mentioned he'd reveal the old method/change the method for the blitz update

I don't see how keeping active eldering from folks for 4 updates would be a good idea no matter how you look at it so I dont think that's it

[plucky cosmos]

oh, hes actually said he would reveal the old method if its not discovered? not just change it?

[pliant ice]

he did say he'd reveal how iirc

[plucky cosmos]

well, i guess we'll all either get vindicated at how difficult it was, or amazed at how simple it was

STILL, we must keep trying, if only out of spite at this point

also, apologies if i got a bit preachy, im used to being a mediator, dont want to step on people's toes

[pliant ice]

Take this w a grain of salt til I can find the message of him saying this again but iirc he did say he’d reveal how

[small sedge]

I have my doubts that it's something like walking around the map 🤔 cos walking around isn't really "more dragony" imo, nor is it cool/neat

[plucky cosmos]

i dunno, surveying territory could be? then again, no territory system

but what else do we realistically have to do

exhaust all options

at this point literally anything is up, we've done all the "realistic" options, and they havent worked apparently

[small sedge]

Certainly can't be anything very high off the ground unless ASDs were completely forgotten for the system

[plucky cosmos]

exactly

that and eventually isnt a sea dragon on the table?

[small sedge]

Man, so it's probably changing again and everybody's gotta start looking again from scratch 🥲

[plucky cosmos]

well, take it positively. we get to exercise all those searching skills from this one, and probably have way more experience looking for what might be different

hopefully to success!

[small sedge]

I dunno. I'm a little hesitant to be excited, because if it changes so soon after release because they thought up a different method, it makes me feel like not a whole lot of thought was put into the current method 😂

But I'm also a chronic overthinker so I tend to sit and nitpick ideas forever before deciding how to approach problems so.

[plucky cosmos]

perhaps im able to be more positive because i didn't put a whole lot of effort in, more or less just keeping up with facts and tossing a few theories out

[small sedge]

Oh I haven't put much effort in myself either, that's just how it feels to me from just seeing everybody pooling ideas and struggling

[plucky cosmos]

gotta keep that morale up anyway

[sly cedar]

I didn't put a ton of effort in to test. I just liked theorizing, but I've only gotten more and more negative about it, because it feels like we really have exhausted all possible actions in this game in trying to figure it out. And I'm fearful when he does come out about the method, that we won't feel stupid about how simple it is, but we'll be angry because of how it may be way too complicated to where, like where we are now, NOBODY would think to do that... and or it makes no sense or correlation to the game in any way.

[plucky cosmos]

that is a completely understandable stance to take

[pliant ice]

^ But we can hope that in the end, the eldering method is a fun one! And we can remember that we were all here before it was discovered

[plucky cosmos]

exactly!

[devout kettle]

How's everyone doin?

[plucky cosmos]

bit of drama, but we're pulling through

tried walking around places vs flying/sprinting?

suvey the terrain, smell the roses, as it were

[pliant ice]

I believe there have been walking exploration tests yeah

[sly cedar]

Given our limitations in the game as it is, I'm REALLY curious as to what Jao thinks is "more dragony"...

[plucky cosmos]

tbh when i think dragon, i think hoarding majestic creature of legend, with a clearly defined territory of "here be dragons"

[pliant ice]

Flaming spiral meteor of death: dragon edition /j

We'll see i suppose

Yeah I think hoarding shiny things and sleeping in a mountain or setting fire to villages but uh.. hard to do that ingame maybe

or the HTTYD approach of being "alpha" which is also difficult

[plucky cosmos]

have we tried dropping bugs from a height to kill them, then eat them?

just had a brainwave

[pliant ice]

Not sure if we can pick up live ones

[plucky cosmos]

right, nvm, forgot that

i even did that test with an SS under shadow cloak and without, snuck up and nothing

[pliant ice]

Honestly one thing that could be in line of the HTTYD alpha method since I know this game has some crossovers would be clan leaders fighting eachother? But

not sure how that'd let a solo leader or the rest of the clan elder

[devout kettle]

Or how that'd work on pve

[sly cedar]

Hoarding shinies, burning down villages, flying, breathing fire, terrifying, large, on the opposite spectrum benevolent, wise, intelligent, powerful... protective... I did a project in college years ago on dragons and one very defining characteristic that nearly all dragons had was that they often guard things.

[plucky cosmos]

and brushes against soloability

[pliant ice]

You could do the /pvp but yeah there's alot of issues w that theory so I dont think that's it

[devout kettle]

Ooo

[small sedge]

It's possible to consensual PvP on PvE but yeah, wouldn't help with the solo aspect

[plucky cosmos]

maybe...guard your food for a certain amount of time?

without eating it? dunno if that test has been done

and that's not exactly cool to me

(which is a subjective measure anyway)

[small sedge]

I've sat/laid with a bug for long periods of time while nesting and not gotten anything 😂

but yeah "cool" is... super subjective

[sly cedar]

It was fascinating that in so many different cultures a dragon/serpent was in place to guard something of value, be it for itself or something from the gods. It was in Greek myths, in Asia the dragons hold pearls, even in something as recent as Harry Potter witht rh Albino blind dragon guarding a bank vault...

[plucky cosmos]

that is an interesting aspect, and really, i didnt make that connection until know

[deft spruce]

maybe we just need to start acting like dragons in the game lol

sleep in caves all day, only to go out for food and water

[lime viper]

any new clues?

[devout kettle]

It can be done at any time of day tho

[pliant ice]

Yeah that's my idea too but the only issue w it I see is that.. there's a surprising lack of things to guard

for clans they have their territories but that's not something you can claim within the game code for it to recognise it as such I think

and not much else to guard, whether youre solo or clanned

[small sedge]

I would love if it was something like perching on rocks/spires and roaring 🤣 but that has also not gotten me anywhere

[sly cedar]

And some dragons literally cannot sit in place for 2 solid hours without starving. Isn't 2 hours how long day night phases last? X.x

[lime viper]

Also remember it has to be grindable

[devout kettle]

^

[pliant ice]

And not campable

[lime viper]

so anything that is just sleeping somewhere etc is not very grindable xD well sleep marathon 24/7

apperently it is not location based and you can do it day and night

[plucky cosmos]

so a repeatable activity, that can be done at any time, in any environment, as any dragon, in any game mode

[deft spruce]

killing other dragons?

[devout kettle]

At any location

[plucky cosmos]

that too

[deft spruce]

ik we've tried it

[devout kettle]

Wait...

[sly cedar]

Also, coding wise, what the hecc would there be to do in regards to GUARDING. do we really have an active mechanic for that? If tou say nests, that requires 2 people first off, but unless it's some scripted event... I don't see it working.

[devout kettle]

Has anyone tried sleeping through the entire night?

[deft spruce]

but imagine it's like ''kill 10 dragons'' or something

[plucky cosmos]

i worry about IRs trying that, unless they have full survival (which i dont think would help)

also, time restricted

[lime viper]

nope cant be done on PvE

[pliant ice]

Exactly
so not sure how to implement "guarding" even though it's what comes to mind for me

[devout kettle]

It should. I run 3/3 scav because it makes my life a lil easier

And true

[sly cedar]

This would essentially knock out PvE.

[pliant ice]

anyone collected a massive pile of bugs n sat on it or something yet? lmao

[plucky cosmos]

probably

[pliant ice]

tryna think of silly methods atp

[lime viper]

I imagine they would not make the active eldering something as passive as sleeping xD

[devout kettle]

I mean yeah, it might very well be one cos we're all overthinking 😭

[lime viper]

(at least I hope)

[devout kettle]

It's better than melting my brain and overthinking xD

[lime viper]

fr tho

thinking about how to elder with the hints we have been giving makes me want to sleep forever xD

[devout kettle]

Like, it's difficult not to overthink it but with the clues we have it's probably meant to have that effect

[plucky cosmos]

or maybe not, and he misjudged how hard the players would think over it

[lime viper]

I mean they said it is difficult to discover but cool to do

[sly cedar]

That's incredibly long, nevermind the afk kick timer, you can't speak while asleep, and some dragons will literally starve probabaly in under one hour. So then no you can't sleep all the way. (Don't quote on that starvation timer, I'm guessing based on my own personal gameplay with my FS, ans big guys are still brutal for keeping hunger at bay)

[pliant ice]

Once you're A++, raise a baby.. ? idek

[lime viper]

but at this point the fanbase is getting bored and frustrated

they should just tell us

or give a better hint

[devout kettle]

So, it's something really niche, but once you've figured it out you're set for eldering essentially

[plucky cosmos]

that and adding the "cool" part makes it a subjective measure

[lime viper]

yep

[devout kettle]

^

[pliant ice]

It does let us at least somewhat rule out things like "fall off a cliff" and "sleep" tho haah

[sly cedar]

But they also said it would be more grindy right?

[lime viper]

yep

[plucky cosmos]

perhaps focus on what we consider difficult to do in game?

[lime viper]

they said legacy hat way to many elders

[devout kettle]

Or what we consider easy.

Cos we "have the tools" right?

[lime viper]

hitting anything cause hitboxes are messed up

[devout kettle]

If everyone can do it, I don't think it's something majorly difficult

[plucky cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-spinning-laundry-gif-15147601

we're going around in circles

[sly cedar]

All these "hints" in my opinion kind contradict each other. We think we're getting somewhere and then another "hint" rules it out. This is why we feel like we're nowhere near finding it.

[pliant ice]

always have been..

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[plucky cosmos]

ahhh, i think we've arrived at our daily san loss time

[devout kettle]

Yes

[plucky cosmos]

or, the critical point of it

[lime viper]

they just telling us something to keep us busy

[devout kettle]

One of the daily times*

[plucky cosmos]

when the gifs come out (yes i know i started it this time), its time to decompress

[sly cedar]

Think of it this way with that statement... we have flying dragons, running Land Drakes, and someday we'll get the deep sea Swimming drakes..."it can be done by any dragon." Think of all their limitations... nowntry to figure it out. X.x

[lime viper]

well it has to be something on the ground - ASD cant fly and everyone else cant dive under water

[devout kettle]

I tried getting boned on shrooms but the toxins stopped at 25%

[pliant ice]

Could also be something different for sky dragons' eldering and drakes/water dragons

[lime viper]

well we cant even figure it out for one dragon, now imagine 4 different ways

[plucky cosmos]

hasnt it been confirmed that any dragon can do it? and everything so far has only mentioned one method

[devout kettle]

I think people would start legitimately tearing their hair out

[lime viper]

also it is said "the system" not "the systems" so I guess it is one for all

[sly cedar]

Will the Tidal Shock even be allowed on land or will it be a turtles pace? Because then that would be suicide. And quite frankly ridiculously unfair to them. UNLESS it was a location and they make it different per species and shove soem location for the Sea Noodles in some underwater cave... with an air pocket haha.... cries

[plucky cosmos]

its probably similar to the asd

[lime viper]

I dont think of that yet since we wont have that until prob another 5+ years

[plucky cosmos]

regular move speed on land, but super fast in water, so its a reason to stay there for protection

[lime viper]

and till then we will have had another 2 different elder systems for sure

[plucky cosmos]

or at least that's how i would design it

[digital isle]

So like a crocodile?

[lime viper]

Just work with what we have now, and not in the future, dragon wise

[plucky cosmos]

i dunno, crocodillians can move scary fast on land

[lime viper]

Any dragon can do it (so location ground), not location based, at any time of the day/night, not camp-able

[sly cedar]

I know it will be some time, but my point was that it will be another dragon that might get an Elder system..... o.o or maybe it won't... won't the TS be on par with the Behemoths? I forget, will they be able to Elder too?

[devout kettle]

That rules out the dirty ponds right?

[lime viper]

yeah I guess so

[devout kettle]

Cos it aint like they're movin lmao

[plucky cosmos]

behemoths are supposed to naturally elder, unlike the other dragons (the passive system right now seems to be a compromise)

[lime viper]

I have looked into the dirty ponds too

[plucky cosmos]

didnt look too far into the tidal shock

[lime viper]

I just want to elder

I dont wanna look for it I want to do it

like bruh

it has been 2 weeks

[devout kettle]

Same I want my prettyboy calls 😦

[sly cedar]

We don't need to look too far into the TS. I was just pointing out how they say Eldering will be achievable by all dragons, yet not all dragons are the same... at least in how they move. But also TS is really big and who knows, they may get same Elder treatment as Behemoths... but anyway-

[lime viper]

like bruh 23k messages?? comon devs at least tell us where we had a right path to elder

[small sedge]

Mmm honestly until broods come out and we can upstat for real and I end up with a dragon where I'm content with stats, if eldering is too much effort I won't bother with it til then 🤣

[turbid copper]

I just want something to do at this point cuz im bored other than eating and drinking or flying can't do anything

[lime viper]

yeah same

[sly cedar]

I've stepped away from the game again to another old game to tide me over.

[small sedge]

Mmhm, other than breeding there's really a lack of anything to do

[turbid copper]

yeah same, i just log in the mornings and that's it

[lime viper]

And even breeding is boring atm since it is worse than playing gacha witht the stats

[gloomy sand]

[devout kettle]

Just keep swimmin...

[sly cedar]

Like... give me a REAL incentive to want to Elder. So far, with the method being so elusive, this isn't making me feel any confidence or eagerness to go after it. Being stuck on a puzzle sucks... but it feels more defeating when even a chunk of the community can't figure it out with you...

[sly cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/unboxholics-swimming-summer-gif-12016133

[devout kettle]

I feel like a random thing like that from a content creator is up for analysis though 😠

Like, no way they came in here, dropped that, and it has no reason behind it

Could just be me grasping straws on what the method is tho

[plucky cosmos]

grasp them straws, we got nothing else

[sly cedar]

Probably symbolizing coming in, then leaving just as quickly

[small sedge]

or keep trying guys, etc

CCs wouldn't really have that kind of exclusive info, right?

[devout kettle]

Wait wait

[sly cedar]

I don't think so. That would be a lil messed up.

[devout kettle]

They sent a fish emote

Look at Moonlight's status

COINCIDENCE? I think not! (It probably is)

[lime viper]

[sly cedar]

We've lost him

[devout kettle]

LMao

[lime viper]

what did the CC say?

[plucky cosmos]

alright alright, come take your meds

[devout kettle]

Here

[lime viper]

oh

xD

[sly cedar]

To the loony bin with you!

[devout kettle]

Surely even if we can do the method anywhere, there's definitely gonna be like set spots

[vale mortar]

I mean we do have a ton of new water sources...

[small sedge]

If swimming were to unlock something I should have also gotten elder points by now, I'm frequently practicing flying over water for the inevitable accidental crash and end up swimming back to shore plenty 😂 😂

[devout kettle]

Same-

[sly cedar]

I can see that simply counting towards future steam achievements, but not eldering. Just my opinion.

[vale mortar]

if it is actually in the game, then wouldn't just be swimming

its a series of "steps"

[red musk]

it was posted in the patron chat
#patreons-palace message

[plucky cosmos]

yeah, he posted a screenie of the message here but deleted it

[sly cedar]

Watch its take a certain number of literal steps...... hehe *eye twitches

[red musk]

you arent allowed to post patreon stuff outside patreon

[devout kettle]

Insert rioting here

[pliant ice]

deleting that as well cus I dont wanna cause any speculations or drama

But ye

[sly cedar]

YOU MUST TAKE THE FIRST STEP BEFORE CLIMBING THE ELDER LADDER. DON'T YOU SEE!?!? laughs more unhinged

[fading canyon]

JESSEE THE NUMBERS WHAT DO THEY MEAN

[plucky cosmos]

sometimes it really feels like an asylum, sometimes breaking down, other times profound conversations, and most times just chatting away about the topic of this thread

[fading canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-they-mean-random-numbers-gif-10654449

[plucky cosmos]

also

REDACTED

[sly cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

[devout kettle]

LMao

Bro my double helix is aching and idk what i've done to make it upset w me

[plucky cosmos]

your DNA? yikes, mustve stepped into a rad zone

[devout kettle]

Nah, piercin

[plucky cosmos]

ah, but what if it was your DNA?

[fading canyon]

theorizing about growing dragons produces radiation

[plucky cosmos]

turn this thread into a nuclear reactor

power the world

[fading canyon]

So much power

[devout kettle]

LMAO-

[plucky cosmos]

but then we would never find our goal!

world power supply met, or elder?

[keen basin]

assuming theres no new info today? just the same bs "hints" from jao

[devout kettle]

I'm gonna take the captive bead out to give the swelling some room because OW

[plucky cosmos]

the hardest choices require the strongest wills

or however the quote goes

[devout kettle]

c':

The jewellery is staying in i'm just taking the ball off it so it can swell a lil more if it needs to

[plucky cosmos]

i meant at my question of world nuclear power supply, or elder, since if we get stuck in, we would never figure out how to elder

[devout kettle]

PFF lmao

[small sedge]

Give that piercing a nice saltwater soak

[fading canyon]

I dont understand why hes being a lil difficult about the hints hes giving, i understand that he wants us to figure it out but we are very clearly struggling here

shouldnt he be more excited to help point us in the right direction without givin it away completely :c

[devout kettle]

I had a problem with it like a month ago that i decided "screw you" and cleaned it with rubbing alcohol. It cleared up just fine but i think i might have agitated it to swell up and hurt last night when I slept

[sly cedar]

The stepssssss

[fading canyon]

climbing some kind of dragon ladder

[sly cedar]

He clearly wants us to walk hahahaha

[fading canyon]

thats what i thought too xD

[sly cedar]

This is called MALICIOUS COMPLIANCE..... lol

[small sedge]

Get a silicone pinch bowl, fill with warm water and sea salt, since the silicone is flexible you can get a mostly watertight seal so you're not stuck awkwardly laying your head on a counter somewhere lol

[sly cedar]

The more we walk, the more grindy it is... hehe, but whether or not it's part of some long questline triggering process, WE'LL NEVER KNOW aside form the message "you feel stronger..." you know what I feel? Lost.

[small sedge]

but yeah I think part of my frustration is just that the "hints" don't really add up 🥴 more dragony method? but take a first step before climbing a ladder?

[fading canyon]

The issue for me is more so that hes giving hints that make kinda no sense to anyone but the ppl that already know how to do it

Like back when mushroom eldering was a thing when ppl were struggling he literally said "pay attention to the name of the map" which led to ppl finding the shrooms in elder forest

^^^ good hint

[sly cedar]

Forgotten forests lead to mushrooms??

[fading canyon]

Cos elder forest

So ppl started actually searching the forest

[sly cedar]

Oh lol. You said name of the map. Sorry 😅

[fading canyon]

xD

But that was like a good hint

"you must take the first steps before you can climb the ladder to elder" could be takken both literally and figuratively which leaves wayyy too much room

[small sedge]

Have people actually seen evidence of something other than passive eldering or is that still just a claim some pvp clans are making with no proof?

[unborn ice]

A good hint is a riddle not just blatantly giving it away

[sly cedar]

I'll agree, it's an adequate hint. It's jjst enough to get you started. These feel like nothing but cryptic metaphors or something blatantly obvious that really holds no new info.

[fading canyon]

In a way its still a riddle that needed to be solved, there were multiple forests in the game, The hints hes given us are harder to solve than some of the Room games puzzles, and hints are meant to actually give some sense of direction

But a hint also isnt meant to be a riddle, just a nudge in the right direction

[sly cedar]

Well... in a sense... the word climb is low key indicative of a direction... up.

But symbolically, up can mean simply, Progression. :/

[unborn ice]

There was only one forest named elder forest. I think even a 5yr could figure that out

[small sedge]

I do sort of understand not wanting to make it too easy if it's supposed to be an endgame thing but. If it's the only way that people can see recessives?? Kind of needed for people trying to upstat

[unborn ice]

The hard part was figuring out what you had to look for

[fading canyon]

Hint, "A slight indication or suggestion" which is what he gave

so therefore, it was actually a pretty good hint that he gave again, when ppl were struggling

[unborn ice]

For the new elder system?

[fading canyon]

The old one

[small sedge]

It also wasn't specifically like, heyyy guys there are mushrooms you need to eat in the elder forest, so 😂

[unborn ice]

Oh yeah that means you could smell it lol

That’s all you need to know to find it lol

The location and if you could smell it

[fading canyon]

But the hints hes been giving for the new stuff could be interpreted in so many ways it makes actually probably harder to figure stuff out

[unborn ice]

If he gave that rn someone could figure it out today

[devout kettle]

but he didn't.

[unborn ice]

I know because it’s too easy

That’s the point

[fading canyon]

no its not

[unborn ice]

I personally don’t even think it’s in the game

[devout kettle]

He means the old method nugget

Not the new one

[fading canyon]

Ahhh

My bad

[devout kettle]

Np xD

[fading canyon]

XD

[devout kettle]

I don't think the devs would necessarliy lie about the mechanic being in the game - hell, it's just us being horrible at finding out what it is lmao

[sly cedar]

The mushrooms were small enough that you could miss them, but vibrant enough that you COULD catch them... then when sniff came in, you literally smell for vegetation. It works together.

[fading canyon]

Well they arent technically lying if theyre just telling us what jao tells them

[unborn ice]

Jao never said “it’s in the game” he said “redacted” lol

[devout kettle]

Didn't he say something like "To get elder you need to REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED" ??

[unborn ice]

Yeah something like that

[devout kettle]

So it's something

[fading canyon]

Theyve stated that its in the game, im pretty positive one of the devs said that it was, but at this point im kinda skeptical about it

[devout kettle]

3 redacteds is likely not the exact amount of redacteds to finish the sentence either

[unborn ice]

I’ve never heard that and I’ve been to most dev talks

[fading canyon]

And would make sense as to why the "hints" havent been helpful

[fading canyon]

It wouldnt have been in dev talk

because ppl were @ing them in the actual discord asking if it was in or not

i think that was afterwards

[unborn ice]

Never seen it in an announcement either. Also I’ve personally asked Jao if it was in the game and he replied “I figured out how to fix hitboxes”

[devout kettle]

😭

[sly cedar]

........ that low key ticks me off....

[gloomy sand]

Bruh xD

[fading canyon]

Im just gonna look through msgs to check cos its possible that words got super paraphrased

[gloomy sand]

Y’all

[devout kettle]

Listen man... some of us are desperate..

[gloomy sand]

Full disclaimer: I do not know how to elder. Jao has told us nothing.

I have been through all of the pains you have been

[devout kettle]

c':

[gloomy sand]

I’m sorry I wish I had better news

[devout kettle]

Nah you's chillin

[unborn ice]

Saying that most things weren’t finished on time im willing to gamble that eldering was either haha but that’s just my personal opinion so don’t take that to heart

[gloomy sand]

I also, personally, don’t think it’s in the game

[fading canyon]

#general-chat message

This is probably where its coming from

ppl saying that a dev confirmed it

[rapid radish]

Or it's in game like the weather, just deactivated xD

[gloomy sand]

Saying that it’s there, then saying that it will be changed in the next update with the blitz? Why change something you worked hard on, unless it was never actually there and you can quietly slip it in alongside the blitz? It just feels too coincidental to me.

[fading canyon]

That coupled with the really dodgey riddles

[gloomy sand]

OR the sequence of steps required is so insane and hard to track that no one will get it ever because you have to dance on pride rock at 13 minutes past the hour only on tuesdays with the aurora is making the sky green

[fading canyon]

Most of them could be just about anything and dont give us much of any direction at all

[devout kettle]

Lmao

[sly cedar]

Are we too stupid? Is it too complex and not even connected and that why we can't figure it out?

[fading canyon]

Especially since in the q&a one of the devs stated there was no in game msg saying that you unlocked or did something

[fading canyon]

I dont think its too complex genuinely, i just think that he made it too many steps without any msg or acknowledgement that weve taken a step in the right direction

[gloomy sand]

I don’t like to be conspiratorial but those two things I mentioned seem like the only explanation. It’s either insanely hard or it’s not there.

[devout kettle]

Or they've made it seem insanely hard to make us overthink

[fading canyon]

It could just be a repeat of old eldering too, when he said it was in the game but turned out it just wasnt implimented

[gloomy sand]

Yes but haven’t we ruled out most of the simple stuff? What could be so simple that we wouldn’t have done it on accident?

[sly cedar]

Depending on the type of game, this is a crucial design choice... you need to think about how this may or may not affect your player base psychologically. As in will it push them to keep going or flat out stop momentum... you want to keep them engaged. Not quitting. I'm at the quitting stage. >:/ a mechanic that hardly seems worth it at this point. And that's not good.

[devout kettle]

Truee

[plucky cosmos]

this almost feels like teasing ancient growth instead of elder

[gloomy sand]

I’m no longer searching, just working on pvp upstats still.

[devout kettle]

Understandable xD

[fading canyon]

Exactly, But for a game like this, especially since there is multiple steps in the process, Having some confirmation of heading in the right direction would be a crucial game design choice, otherwise how will the playerbase know that theyve actually figured something out

For all we know multiple ppl in here have actually gotten one of the steps already and weve just brushed it off as false alarms or passive ticks (most of them have been to my knowledge) Because theres no tell of actually doing or unlocking something

[ornate plover]

So… Jao likes httyd right? In the first movie, the dragons were under the control of that big giant dragon “The Queen”. They had to bring food for the queen and drop it in that hole. So it makes me wonder if we need to drop a certain amount of bugs into something…

[limber valve]

I’ve stated before that this game just doesn’t have enough content for it to be this hard to find out what eldering is. I’ve said before It’s simply just not in the game currently.

[sly cedar]

That may be campable...

[plucky cosmos]

wouldn't that be location based?

^^

[gloomy sand]

https://youtu.be/r5nZ5UaV9FY?si=8_qmhiByit-n9pYS

[ornate plover]

Maybe there’s multiple locations to drop them in? Idk I’m tryin xD

[plucky cosmos]

and we welcome you to toss your sanity away in teh trash with us 🙂

[sly cedar]

Throw it away? Mine popped like an overloaded light bulb... lolol

[plucky cosmos]

same diff, san gone, all that's left is elder dreams

[sly cedar]

Elder nightmares

[fading canyon]

Now that im looking back through the msgs Who actually stated specifically that its not location based?

[plucky cosmos]

...perhaps we do need confirmation about the various stipulations we've been accepting as requirements

i remember seeing that one message about it having to be possible in any map in any game mode

though with the mega map coming, that should be any environmnet

[fading canyon]

Because looking back on a lot of things, they seem to just be Hearsay and just speculation that we made "fact" regardless if it is or not

[devout kettle]

Even if we just got told that SOMEONE here figured it out without being told who

[ornate plover]

I think Jao got rid of the shrooms because he doesn’t want it to be campable anymore right? So if it were location based, that would be campable

[devout kettle]

It was fun to try figure out what the eldering stuff was in the start

Now it just feels hopeless

[fading canyon]

Not if its multiple locations to do it in

[ornate plover]

At least I think I heard somewhere he didn’t want it to be campable…

[fading canyon]

im pretty positive he stated that in the Dev talk

[ornate plover]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking too Nugget, if it’s several different locations

[dreamy acorn]

Apparently someone in Gaia clan knows but I don't think that's true

[devout kettle]

Raids Gaia clan

[ornate plover]

Maybe we need to figure out these locations, and then offer x amount of food to them. That seems like a “dragony” thing to do xD

[sly cedar]

Elaborate or I don't want hear it... (towards this Gaia clan claim not you orange)

[devout kettle]

I'm going to go into gaia and throw mushy, soggy potatos at them until they fess up 😠

[fading canyon]

part of me thinks that it might not be as dragony thing to do as we think it is

Ik somewhere he made a comment about wanting it to be more dragony, But then to also state that he wants to include aspects of a starwars game as well

With the amount of content in the game thus far, it might a bit hard to make it 100% something a dragon would do

[pliant ice]

dance on top of a tree

[sly cedar]

Well at this point it kinda sounds trollish. And I'm not for that. So you could say, " oh THEY know haha." But until I get an explanation with evidence, be quiet. Lol sorry. 😞

[fading canyon]

Dance with the trees 👀

[compact reef]

what if theres a doors that open to certain calls

[fading canyon]

I refuse to believe anyone that says they can elder unless they can give actual proof, and help us out, what is the point of keeping the process to yourself or your clan?

[sly cedar]

Campable

[devout kettle]

PVP

[fading canyon]

ngl thats actually kind of a cool concept tho

[fading canyon]

But still, i understand not giving it out in game chat, but to then come in here being like "well i eldered" LOL

[devout kettle]

Pff yeah I get that

[fading canyon]

Mk i keep noticing this while reading through a lot of the chats, but it seems like a lot of ideas keep getting thrown away because "thats campable" "Not soloable" "its not supposed to be location based" at this point we might as well just try everything, regardless if it is or isnt campable, unsoloable such n such

plus, gives more things to do and try

[plucky cosmos]

yeah, at this point anything goes, remove all restrictions we have previously applied

[fading canyon]

^^^

[devout kettle]

Leave no mushroom uneaten and no rock unsharted

[fading canyon]

I think were shooting ourselves in the foot by assuming some of these things, Jao did say he wanted it to not be campable, that doesnt mean it cant be slightly uncampable

[compact reef]

not if doors move after a use

[sly cedar]

Oh I never said not to do it lol. Do whatever to your heart's content! I'm simply stating that certain ideas, are probably campable.

[compact reef]

randomly but i dought it XD

[fading canyon]

nono i get it XD I just think a lot of ideas arent getting tried because of the fact that ppl are saying things are campable

or not solo

[sly cedar]

Fair

[fading canyon]

i just feel like were setting our own restrictions for things that havent been specifically stated like "No its not campable" or "Yes it is 100% soloable" when most of those things have just been "i would like for it to not be campable" etc

[plucky cosmos]

indeed

[small sedge]

Not being campable doesn't mean it's not location based actually, like... could be "run around this specific rock 25 times"
Nobody could technically stop you from running around the rock (barring pvp assassinations) even if they were there first

[fading canyon]

Ight i gotta go make some money XD ill come back too see what ive missed

[plucky cosmos]

good luck

[devout kettle]

Enjoy the peace and quiet from the elder riddle grind

[plucky cosmos]

i swear i saw elder gods for a sec

[devout kettle]

LOL

[fading canyon]

This^^^ but truthfully i think tossing out the ideas of it being un campable, soloable, and non location based out the door for now, just so that way we arent completely tossing out ideas based off those theories

[fading canyon]

Much thanks

[hollow quarry]

until we get an actual hint from Jao himself. I will not believe its in game.

[fading canyon]

my poor poor elder rotted brain

[hollow quarry]

like a message we can look at FROM Jao.

from all my time reading this channel, I havent seen a message screenshot, or a video of Jaos words. At this point I feel its a rumor and we're just part of some funny game. Some sick entertainment of our suffering tryna figure this out.

[small sedge]

ngl if people took stuff out of context and just assumed that the system has been implemented and is active when it's not, with the recent stuff that's happened and knowing that people have been trying nonstop for two weeks he probably isn't in a rush to correct anyone and say it's in the coding but not activated 😂 Could go any way, really

[hollow quarry]

at this point we're gonna hit elder solely off //passive ticks// before we figure out this "Elder system"

[wide canopy]

Has anyone tried just.. Sleeping?

[muted moat]

Yes

[small sedge]

I've slept quite a bit but uh

[wide canopy]

For a unhealthy period of time

[small sedge]

wouldn't count that as active

[wide canopy]

Hmmmmmmmm

[wide canopy]

Doubt it, if gaia does know they're a loud mouth and spit it everywhere

Plus, theres a LOT of trials+children in the clan so even then within the said person spilling it to the clan other clans would QUICKLY lock onto it bc of spies

[elfin walrus]

Man if anybody knows in our clan they haven’t spilled the beans to the rest of us lol

[dreamy acorn]

LOL

I just heard from a friend of a friend 😂

[bleak python]

Gotta love telephone

[boreal estuary]

Uhh

What about fully exhausting your stamina?

[small sedge]

Done that plenty too 😂

[pulsar swift]

tried that while also gliding above clouds

no bueno, comrade

[boreal estuary]

Rip

My thought process was “how does one get stronger in real life?” 😞

[limber valve]

Gains

[small sedge]

Where are the weight benches

Gonna snarf some protein powder next

Dust those bugs 🤣

[boreal estuary]

When I say fully exhaust stamina, I mean repeatedly

So like… you know how it takes away a little bit from your stamina bar until you sleep?

That…but have it take the whole bar

[small sedge]

That would.... definitely be grindy

[boreal estuary]

Yeah it would

[small sedge]

Especially on ASD, those bros can run for miles

[boreal estuary]

Jumping does it faster iirc

[bleak python]

Especially if you put your points into agility. :')

[small sedge]

If nobody else tries out the stamina thing I can do jumping jacks when I get on after work in a few hours 😂

Would be real quick on IR since they barely jump

[boreal estuary]

I can imagine it being tedious

What if

[pulsar swift]

I thought you meant irl for a moment and was about to join you with 100 knee kicks each leg

[boreal estuary]

For ASD it’s running and SS it’s flying until exhaustion

[quaint ice]

I can try it right now, I have nothing better to do lol

[boreal estuary]

Just theory crafting but who knows

[bleak python]

Hi Jazzy :3

[river rose]

I have tried offering up bugs to various pools of water, and tried to ‘pick up’ all the accessible crystals in each cave. Nothing so far 😭

[compact reef]

ive been leaving food in areas and caves like something is gonna take it as an offering haha

[boreal estuary]

Looks like SS can’t fully deplete stamina and take away a small portion of stamina bar.

ASD can only lose half of their total bar. Not feeling it now, Mr. Krabs.

[bleak python]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-stewie-griffin-victory-shall-yet-be-mine-mad-angry-gif-17495858

[devout kettle]

Eh to hell with it I'm going back to legacy 😔

[quaint ice]

IR also can only loose half its bar TwT

[small sedge]

Lame

[last minnow]

Mood, I miss my elder ss

[hybrid wave]

I tried, I slept on about 20 bugs at one point, even starving my SS then eating bugs of a certain color, it didn’t do anything. Even if that was the way to go, it was soo tedious that I would rather passive elder than even attempt that again ngl 😭

[covert stag]

My theory is that its to do with eating other dragons. But would need people to test that theory. Not willing to scacrifice my dragon now after over 2 weeks of growing them. FS is at 20.9%. 0.9% every 12 hours....may be willing to sacrifice IR though which is currently just over 18%.

[gloomy sand]

I promise that isn't it

[somber shuttle]

Ive eaten plenty of dragons on all species

[gloomy sand]

^

[covert stag]

UGHHHHH 0.9% is FAAAAAR to low for evry 12hrs

[dusk ravine]

I am done trying to find it, I will check in later maybe in 2 months it will be fun to play and have objectives again. Between not being able to elder and not being able to upstat this game has killed my interest in playing it, there is literally no endgame anymore except for waste your time guessing things with low success chance.

[covert stag]

Yip true

I'm just nipping on every 12 hrs for the tic. next one in about an hour. gonna miss the next due to work.....

Oh does anyone know if you get anymore evo points? ASD and SS got a 4th at 25%. Hoping you get one every 25%

[bleak python]

You get more I think

[tame crest]

You do

[quaint ice]

You get 7 total

[covert stag]

I do hope so. And a massive stat increase once Elder i mean A's across the board or this time is just gonna feel a complete waste.

[tame crest]

iirc elders do get a stat increase for most stats but idk by how much

Base speed is unaffected from the elder stat boost, you have to level the speed tree for that.

[rapid radish]

one point every 25% percent (25%-50%-75%-100%)

[covert stag]

Excellent thank you

Well back to Helldivers for a couple rounds. Cheers folks

[dusk ravine]

Elders don't get a stat number increase (E-D-C-B-A), but they are double the strength of adult of equal stats. LOL elder SS with 1 shot IRs

WTF was JAO thinking

[tame crest]

Yeah sorry I meant their base stats get a boost not their actual lettered stats

With the exception of speed because the base speed boost they got originally meant you could never escape one

[earnest root]

We've tested that. Killing your own species and then eating it, killing another and eating it, didn't do anything. We thought so because last time a couple friends of mine were in a fight and killed the same species and ate it, they got growth into their elder, but it wasn't their passive tick

[dry mauve]

Super Rhino — Today at 3:22 PM
first step, become that which you seek so that you can seek that which you wish to become

..... thats all we got

[rapid radish]

where he told this? 😄

[novel oak]

everyone is gonna hate that hint too

[tame crest]

Patreon chat?

[novel oak]

just now

[dry mauve]

Patreon chat lol

[rapid radish]

@rough root can you put that in the doc?

[rapid radish]

well ofc, should have known

[tame crest]

so basically to become elder...you have to become elder?

[drowsy panther]

so u need to find a elder to get to be one?

[rapid radish]

he cannot mean that you need to become an elder with a passive way first

I will rage

😄

[novel oak]

or find a cloaked elder npc

[steady rock]

I think he's talking about the passive ticks XD the first step to becoming of what you seek is getting the first tick and after...just wait XD

[regal oriole]

we know there is a passive tick... but what then xD

[tame crest]

I'm literally 40% eldered from passive ticks

[regal oriole]

those hints are no help at all

[devout kettle]

I just want to be able to elder my IR and have pretty sounds :<

[steady rock]

I mean he never said there is ANOTHER Way of eldering, he just said there is a Way, and passive ticks is definitely a Way XD

[turbid copper]

https://tenor.com/view/twd-the-walking-dead-walking-dead-carl-andrew-lincoln-gif-7611127

[steady rock]

Easy to do, can't be camped, anyone can do IT any Time of day...

[tame crest]

If the only way to elder was passively why not just say so instead of leading everyone on a goose chase.

[steady rock]

Because IT keeps the community distracted of the lack of polish on 1.0

[rapid radish]

And it's even just the "first step" o.o

[tame crest]

lol

Good to know the community server I frequent is gonna die off again because it turns into people logging in every 12h for ticks.

[last minnow]

i like 1.0 bc its great for screenshots and looks better than legacy and bc wyverns are my fav, other than that with no info on eldering theres not much to look forward to

[stark geyser]

Have we considered that maybe we have to get a dragon to unlock elder first in order to unlock active eldering in other dragons? Like how it is with mela?

[tame crest]

[rapid radish]

IF we need to elder passively first to 100%, here's my calculations:
ASD would take 24 irl days (not missing any ticks)
SS would take 40 irl days (not missing any ticks)
IR & FS would take 55 irl days (not missing any ticks)

[somber shuttle]

I was so hoping the NPCs were in the game or something. The point of eldering would be to give the community something to do. Logging once a day is not a gameplay loop.

[stark geyser]

Yeah really hope that it's not the case

Would really put everyone who doesn't have asd at a disadvantage too

[terse warren]

it's hard for people who can log one time a day to reach elder by just ticks

[rapid radish]

"first step, become that which you seek so that you can seek that which you wish to become" So passively elder until 100%, so you can even seek the way to actively elder?? And that whole thing is "the first step" ?? O.o

[cold summit]

well consider he wanted to change the system by 1.0.1, which was supposed to come out on 29th, thats not enough time to passive elder to 100%

unless he mentioned changing it by 1.0.1 after deciding to postpone it

[dry mauve]

Tip 1

• If you want to elder then you must Redacted Redacted Redacted

Tip 2

• So guys you have to Redacted Redacted Redacted. Then you obviously have to go to Redacted to get Redacted

Tip 3

• Figuring out how to elder, difficult.
• Eldering once you know how to do it, cool.

Tip 4

• The only hint I will give you is that you must take the first step before you can climb the elder ladder.
• Quality of life.

Tip 5

• Its Endgame.

Tip 6

• First step, become that which you seek so that you can seek that which you wish to become
• Steps on a ladder

[stark geyser]

So it could be just reach the first tick, reach one of the milestones in eldering, or reach 100% before anything

[rapid radish]

This kinda sounds like 100%, imo. "become that which you seek"

[naive otter]

btw i realized my mistake when making these tips of all the hints we've been given is tip 4 and 5 are the same

[rapid radish]

and the "quality of life" has nothing to do with eldering, still 😄

it was an answer to another question

[tame crest]

The quality of life comment was purely to someone asking if adding more bug spawns was considered quality of life or not

[stark geyser]

Yeah but there's like no way you've gotta reach 100% elder first just as the first step. Thered be no point

[dry mauve]

Not hard to change rq

[rapid radish]

I agree, but who knows what Jao thinks 🤷‍♀️

[naive otter]

that one wasnt too sure one. i couldnt find who asked about it

edited

• Tip 1

  • if you want to elder then you must redacted redacted redacted

• Tip 2

  • you have to REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED. then you obviously have to go to REDACTED to get REDACTED

• Tip 3

  • figuring out how to elder, difficult, eldering once you know how to do it, cool

• Tip 4

  • you must take the first step before you can climb the elder ladder.

• Tip 5

  • Its Endgame

• Tip 6

  • steps on a ladder
  • first step, become that which you seek so that you can seek that which you wish to become

updated ^^

[terse warren]

guys we get 7 mutation points in total, right?

[dry mauve]

We have tip 6 now too

[terse warren]

okay, I may have a theory

what if the first step is to get that 4th mutation point, that's around 25% elder?

and then somehow... the eldering process would really start?

[naive otter]

tip 6 new?

just posted today?

[tardy perch]

Honestly if the first step to another way to elder is to become an elder with passive ticks first, I mean...it would be no wonder no one's found it yet.

[timber laurel]

They said there is an active method as well as passive ticks, meaning that both would be seperate

[dry mauve]

Tip 6
First step, become that which you seek so that you can seek that which you wish to become
Steps on a ladder

Yeah in patreon chat i added it to your list

[terse warren]

yeah, but maybe to unlock the active method you need to start eldering passively first?

[tardy perch]

Interesting. I guess I should grow a ASD and then try to elder it via passive ticks. It's faster to do passively than other dragons correct?

[terse warren]

you know, get a little older to start the elder process

[tame crest]

If it was 4th point there'd be people out there who'd already figured out what to do.

[naive otter]

searched and added as tip 6 on my notes thanks!

[tame crest]

I'm no closer to figuring out what to do with my ASD.

[jolly topaz]

some people already have 25% on asd

[terse warren]

or we need all A stats first 🫠

[jolly topaz]

i persanlly have 15%+ now

[tame crest]

I'm on a faster grow server but I'm at 40%.

[rapid radish]

Have they actively "seeked" way to actively elder then? 🤔

[jolly topaz]

unable to confirm but i would imagine so

[steady rock]

I'm just curious....why patreon chat is the only place he shares his hints?

[tardy perch]

Think about it. Becoming an elder is cool. It's not location-based, it can't be camped...it makes sense

[somber shuttle]

The Patreon chat is much nicer and more pleasent than general. People are jerks, and thats where we ask for hints

[sly cedar]

I'm flipping done. Good luck guys. 👋

[half hound]

felt fr

[steady rock]

He doesn't have to go to general, just make an announcment, Elder hints are important for the whole community and shouldn't be "leaked" by patreons (tho many thanks for it)

[cold summit]

steps on a ladder, first step is getting into the system (elder ticks), second step?

[sly cedar]

At that point, feels like pay for privilege... sneaks peaks at what's to come? Fine. Core gameplay? Wtf

[somber shuttle]

Theyre literally shared the second its said, so whats the big deal?

[tardy perch]

To be fair, patreons should be keeping quiet about things shared in PT chat. But obviously people won't always obey that heh

[stark geyser]

He might have already considered that it would be shared by us anyway so thats why he shared it how he did. If it was paid privilege, it would have been in a patreon post which aren't ment to be shared

[tardy perch]

But it's also normal for PTers to be shown/told something earlier than the rest

[somber shuttle]

Thats literally what theyre paying for?

[sly cedar]

Good. But why put that in patreon chat. None of you should had to have "leaked" that. I'm more peeved.(sorry stupid typos x.x)

[rapid radish]

And that's why he should share core gameplay mechanics to all, ofc Patreons are entitled to their sneak peaks they paid for

[gloomy sand]

be so for real

[stark geyser]

I do think it would have been better if this hint was shared in the announcements section though

[steady rock]

I mean they actively delete messages related to patreon chat, I wouldn't be surprised if they delete the hint As well

[gloomy sand]

ok so get an elder to unlock eldering

[cold summit]

have you tried asking for hints in general-chat when he's around? Just asking cause I never dare to go there

[stark geyser]

Same. General is too chaotic

[quaint ice]

This is painful and I hate it

[rapid radish]

yes we have and got the ladder thing

[quaint ice]

That hint just sounds like "Find an elder to become an elder"

[cold summit]

oh ok

[prisma mirage]

He said he is staying away from general so who knows 🤷🏻‍♂️

[pliant violet]

Core gameplay not being shared.... that's absolute 💩

[gloomy sand]

so at this point the people with elder prog need to be forthcoming in what happens when they reach that point

[quaint ice]

@dusk ravine Had their 4th point on an asd and ran around trying to see if they could find anything. They did not

[gloomy sand]

that aint full elder tho

[novel oak]

im going to try find a roaming sir bacon npc, roaming randomly cave to cave

[quaint ice]

Yeah I know just saying

[pliant violet]

Probably no active way and Jao is just saying it to confuse people

[quaint ice]

Good luck

[stark geyser]

Pretty sure he wouldn't do that

[steady rock]

Maybe it's a rare bugspawn what has a low chance of appearing XD

[pliant violet]

And then when they release the actual update with the active way, he will be like "ta dah, see? There was always an active way"

[steady rock]

He would not Tell us, just that he chsnged it

[vestal rose]

"first step, become that which you seek so that you can seek that which you wish to become"

"become an elder so that you can seek elder" maybe you have to get passive elder progress before you can elder actively?

[stark geyser]

Sounds like you're just digging for excuses to witch hunt

[pliant violet]

Nah, I don't need an excuse buds.

[stark geyser]

Thats literally what you're doing

[pliant violet]

But the eldering system is absolute 💩

[stark geyser]

You don't know that because no one even knows what it is

[quaint ice]

I hated the mushrooms but honestly at this point I think I would rather have them back T-T

[steady rock]

Scar isn't the only one thinking that, IT would be a conventient Way to keep us occupied

[last minnow]

how do you know if it is if nobody has figured it out

[stark geyser]

Anyway, I actually have a life and have to go to work. So have fun arguing and witch hunting. Toodles

[pliant violet]

Because it likely doesn't exist yet.

[last minnow]

it could be awesome

[quaint ice]

What is it with some of the KS of this game being so rude towards people with bad opinions of the game?

[steady rock]

Isn't there a place on the map called Elder Throne or something? Maybe there's something there? i want my internet T_T

[pliant violet]

Thing is, these hints are leading no where. So the likely hood that it is actually in the game is extremely low. To become an elder you have to become what you seek, so become an elder to become an elder. Climb the ladder, so passive ticks. Etc etc. The system to actively elder doesn't exist yet and these hints mean nothing.

[novel oak]

where is elder throne?

[quaint ice]

There is a spot called Elders Pass

704s 561w

But there isnt anything over there other than a cool rock formation, water, and 2 mushie spawns

[pliant violet]

People have been searching for a way for almost a month, I would be surprised if anyone finds an active way before the soft release is done and over with.

[quaint ice]

Also does anyone else find it odd how there is now a random forest behind crater? (Ancient forest) Like I havent gone all the way through it but maybe there is something there

[sly cedar]

Is that name canon? Or community made?

[quaint ice]

I'm honestly not sure. Probably community made

[pliant violet]

That is odd but also, the map was updated and it likely is supposed to be what all of the map is supposed to look like.

[sly cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-r2d2-fall-tired-exhausted-gif-4778748

[pliant violet]

But we have an extremely flat area in the back. I wouldn't be opposed to looking around there.

[sly cedar]

Thank you

[quaint ice]

Hm thats true

[rapid radish]

Is there any official released maps with names? I know many community made ones

[tame crest]

afaik there are no official names outside of the biome itself.

[quaint ice]

Not that Im aware of :(

[pliant violet]

I don't believe we ever had an offical map made of the game even in legacy.

[quaint ice]

I wonder if there is a roaming NPC somewhere, afterall they did get rid of Sir Bacons cave. It just seems odd to me that they would remove it completely

Although I suppose the PvE players would have already found it..

[somber shuttle]

All of the hints genuinely make me think NPC is the only thing that makes sense other than only passive exists

[novel oak]

depends on roaming fewquency, and locations. if theres no fool its unlikely. and if you have be somewhat eldered to detect the npc less likely

[quaint ice]

Am I crazy or do I remember someone saying it could be sniffed out? Or was that just a theory?

[somber shuttle]

It was a theory that the yellow scent was both nests and clues, I have found none though

[quaint ice]

Ah ok

[tardy perch]

Who here has a dragon that's got high elder progress from passive ticks?

[steady rock]

They said bacon's menorial Will only be ín legacy since they modded there, that's why it's removed

[somber shuttle]

My highest is only like 20%. I dont have time every day to log in

[turbid copper]

I saw someone that posted progress on asd like 40 ish

From ticks

[tardy perch]

Now I kinda regret not bothering to do passive eldering. I have a very strong huntch that is the first step to the other method

It checks all the right boxes. It can't be camped, it's not location-based, you can do it on any dragon that can elder, it's cool (well not the process but being an elder is)...and it's easy. Time consuming, but easy, since you only need to poke your head int oa server for a minute to get a tick every 12 hours. Very unintrusive

[sly cedar]

I suppose there is a chance once you reach a Pont int he Elder growth passive ticks that it will then initiate the next step... guhhhhhh

[somber shuttle]

Just sucks for the people that cant be on all the time. I work 50+ hours a week. So if its not something I can try to grind out on my time off, its not really going to happen

[tardy perch]

I thin kthe first step is just elder a dragon with passive ticks. Then the secodn method unlocks

[quaint ice]

Ah that makes sense

[sly cedar]

Forced waiting. It would extend the length of the game...... but then if you lose that dragon.... yikes... or even renest...

[tardy perch]

I mean, is it hard to pop onto a DoD server for 2 minutes once a day?

[quaint ice]

When you have a life outside of DoD? Yes

[somber shuttle]

lmfao

[rapid radish]

well that would slower the progress down even more 😅

twice a day for a minute

[quaint ice]

Sorry if that was rude, not meant to be

[tardy perch]

I wouldn't say that was rude, but it sure was extreme. Because even a person with a life can do it

[rapid radish]

even with 2 ticks a day it's a long wait 😅

[quaint ice]

I dont have time everyday to be on my PC to grab ticks.

[tardy perch]

Like, start setting a timer to cook something in the oven, you can pop onto the server while you wait.

Surely there's a time in your life where you have 2 minutes to spare. But okay, everyone's life is different

[sly cedar]

Oooof... so now we calculate the amount of growth per tick.... see if anything happens after a certain threshold.... literally a giant waiting game. Fun.

[rapid radish]

I have been collecting data on the ticks for days now 😄

[tardy perch]

There's people who are almost halfway

[novel oak]

im thinking 25%

[sly cedar]

That's great to hear.

[rapid radish]

Hence why I could give the irl day amounts for each dragon

[sly cedar]

I do remember that lol. But so far I'm not liking it, if this is it.

[tardy perch]

I've started growing a ASD on a 2x growth server to start my attempt. I doubt I'll beat nayone, but I'm not a gatekeeper so I'll share what I find if no one else does

[rapid radish]

Ofc those will be halved on a 2x growth server

[quaint ice]

Hope you find something!

[rapid radish]

if you can collect both ticks daily, you should be able to elder the asd in 12 days

[sly cedar]

If this turns out to be it, maybe goodbye official servers lol.

[rapid radish]

even then IR and FS will take about 28 days 😅

[tardy perch]

I don't know if I can get 2 ticks a day, but I can get 1 for sure. I tend to not be awake for 12 hours

[sly cedar]

Beats 50-100. I mean come on, you can't deny anyone would want something better faster if it has no down sides.

[quaint ice]

Yeah honestly Im not gonna waste 1-2 months to elder a dragon to START eldering a dragon T-T

[tardy perch]

My guess is once you elder a drago nwith just passive ticks once, the second 'grindable' method is unlocked for all dragons on that server

[sly cedar]

I guessed at that time frame btw, don't take that as accurate^^^^

[tardy perch]

Like how growing an iconic nested once without logging perma-unlocked mela

[cosmic river]

i hope not cause ouch

[novel oak]

harsh on pvp servers

[cosmic river]

wait maybe its also related to iconic skins somehow?

[tardy perch]

Doubt it. the ASD I'm using is mela

[sly cedar]

... eww... that's a chunk of my life where I'm pretty sure I can accomplish more rewarding features in other games. I'm really sorry to DoD for this, but gosh I hope that isn't it...

[cosmic river]

we'd have to see
maybe you need to passive elder an iconic to unlock eldering if thats the case here
i mean i can see Jao doing that

[river rose]

has anyone gotten to 25% elder progress and unlocked the 4th of an ability? Like dominance for example? That might be mastering something (in reference to SW:G Jedi thing), could be the first step?

[tardy perch]

wait did I not say it right? How is that harsh? Harsh would be you'd have to do passive eldering EVERY TIME

I get how it's harsh on PVP because getting full elder there is harder by nature. But it's do-able

[quaint ice]

Well he did make you have to be nested as Iconic and grow it without logging to unlock mela. Honestly at this point I wouldnt be too surprised lmao

[mellow dawn]

I got an asd to 25% but no extra point yet :/

[cosmic river]

[novel oak]

passive elder one time on pvp will be rough tho

[cosmic river]

yep

[turbid prawn]

But makes it harder like jao wanted

[river rose]

heard if its exactly 25% you gotta wait the extra % before getting the point so might be that

[tardy perch]

It'l lbe rough, but doesn't it need to be on a server like that?

[turbid prawn]

Less elders everywhere but anyone can do it technically

[cosmic river]

like players wanted*
players wanted content and something to do
this is something to do

[turbid copper]

Well it’s PvP, of course it’s harder

[cosmic river]

makes pvp more entertaining

[turbid prawn]

All of the above wanted XD

[gloomy sand]

is it really something to do? xD

[tardy perch]

I always thought PVP servers attracted players who like a challenge of surviving on servers like that

[gloomy sand]

logging in for passive ticks daily

[quaint ice]

Honestly at this point I may just stop playing the game. Waiting around for passive ticks IS NOT SOMETHING TO DO

[tardy perch]

So if you can survive to elder once, my gosh do you deserve the reward of an easier eldering method

[cosmic river]

its not about just logging in, it;s about figuring out what to do in order to progress

[gloomy sand]

but ya cant figure out what you need to do until you get that first elder

[tardy perch]

Theoretically. We actually don't know if it IS the method. But boy do I have a strong hunch

So let's not get too ahead of ourselves her with opinions

[cosmic river]

id help out more if i could
all i can do is brainstorm with yall

[vital pewter]

maybe only one person needs to unlock it for the server? that would be much more generous on the populous/would be community driven

becoming what you seek to seek what you become

[tardy perch]

that would be great imo. But boy would that anger big clans on PVP XD they'd be helping the little guys

[cosmic river]

[quaint ice]

I'm in Spain without the S T-T

[vital pewter]

i think big clans can use to learn a bit of cooperative kindness

[cosmic river]

if only

[quaint ice]

Wouldnt that be cool

[novel oak]

if you had elder all the way once passively, Jao wouldnt be wondering if anyone found the way yet. at least i think hes wondering if anyone had. could be wrong though

[sly cedar]

That is a thought..... so if we had started accumulating elder ticks since the launch...... how many would we be at now? Percentage wise on just passive. Choose any dragon i dont care. Best guess.

Bloodline doesn't matter in this case^

My question is, if we went solely based on passive ticks... WHATEVER may happen after when a certain threshold is reached.... how far along woudl we be? ..... would we have even been able to figure it out in time before the next update anyway?

[rapid radish]

32-34 ticks accumulated, if I'm not wrong

16 to 17 days

[sly cedar]

So slightly more than 2 weeks? ....... hmm

[rapid radish]

I can calculate about amounts, gimme a sec

[wide canopy]

Nope :D

Anyone got a lead yet for eldering or we stuck stuck?

[fading canyon]

Rn still a lil stuck but we might have something:3

[wide canopy]

Oh?

[fading canyon]

Maybe

No hopes

Yet

Sorry I’ve been reading while at work lol keeps me awake

[sly cedar]

If we are able to achieve this mysterious threshold of elder growth through passive ticks... did ANYONE perhaps reach this point within the deadline Jao gave us? To when he said he would change it IF we didn't figure it out?

[wide canopy]

Also i lost the reply but for eldering IF IM NOT WRONG.

SPAWN- 1
JUVENILE- 1
ADULT- 1
25% ELDER- 1
50% ELDER- 1
75% ELDER- 1
100% ELDER- 1

(7 Total)

[naive otter]

the elder points seem to appear after the % required keep in mind

that's what someone i've seen said

so like 26% and so on seems more accurate

[rapid radish]

IR & FS around 29.1%-30.9%
SS around 40%-42.5%
ASD around 67.2%-71.4%

This is on official

[sly cedar]

So by this point, ASDs are well beyond 50% through???

[rapid radish]

if they have gotten all their ticks.

[sly cedar]

Well, COULD be. Yeah.

And no one has come forth with a definitive answer via that method..... hmm

[naive otter]

out of context but enjoy

[fading canyon]

Gorgeous

[wide canopy]

Stunning

👏

[naive otter]

🤣

[wide canopy]

Oh it loaded

Oh dear lord what is that

[rapid radish]

nightmare fuel xD

[naive otter]

FS babu with PVP mode

indeed nightmare fuel

[wide canopy]

wHys pvp mode GREEN

[fading canyon]

All of us locking in on eldering

[rapid radish]

it should be red xD

[fading canyon]

Basically what I looked like earlier

[naive otter]

eyes meant to be red, but looks orangeish on FS for some reason

[wide canopy]

hUh

[sly cedar]

Leaves me feeling very uncertain still, but I suppose it's something. If someone powered through and stuck it to elderi g their first E bloodline.... we will.see I guess... but if nothing occurred after 50% mark, oooof.

@rapid radish thank you for your calculations. I must go back to work now. Lol

[rapid radish]

or maybe they are not just telling 🤷‍♀️

[rapid radish]

np, I love math ^^

[sly cedar]

You have a point.

[tardy perch]

why do people keeping saying Jao is gonna change the elder method if we DON'T find it within a certain time? Isn't that false? Where's the post wher ehe said that specifically?

[fading canyon]

Actually, this was something that was pointed out a few days ago but needing to wait for elder ticks kinda fits with him wanting to incorporate the Star Wars game as well, as you need to wait for the old man arrive before you can continue the steps of unlocking

[rapid radish]

i think he said something like that in patreon chat at some point 🤔

[fading canyon]

I like the idea that once we hit a certain amount of elder ticks something becomes unlocked

[last minnow]

it was said in general chat last i saw

[tardy perch]

Screenshot or it didn't happen

[small sedge]

iirc it was said in the patreon chat, and they're not allowed to share screenshots from there

[tardy perch]

Didn't stop people from grabbing his statemetns about eldering from PT chat

[small sedge]

I'm just repeating what I heard 😂

[tardy perch]

Well you can't beleive everything you here/read. It's why we need proof

[rapid radish]

I'm looking, it was quite a long ago, so gimme a minute xD

[tardy perch]

I have to wait 12 hours from hitting adult to get my first passive tick right?

Okay thanks. My quest has begun

This is all I'm gonna do on this ASD. Spawned, grew it to adult, and now the only time I'll be on the dragon is to grab the tick and leave. That should narrow down results

[quaint ice]

I checked all messages from Jao in general and saw nothing about this

[stiff trellis]

Jaos tips for eldering...
Tip 1
if you want to elder then you must redacted redacted redacted

Tip 2
you have to REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED. then you obviously have to go to REDACTED to get REDACTED

Tip 3
figuring out how to elder, difficult, eldering once you know how to do it, cool

Tip 4
you must take the first step before you can climb the elder ladder.

Tip 5
Its Endgame

Tip 6
steps on a ladder
first step, become that which you seek so that you can seek that which you wish to become

Aka That's a lot of words for passive ticking

[last minnow]

yea i just checked as well, i dont know where i saw it at but it was from them

yea thats it

[tardy perch]

Ah I see.

[quaint ice]

No wonder I couldnt see it, i'm not a patreon lol

[tardy perch]

Well if it is what we think it is with the start of it being grow to elder passively first, WOULD you guys want that changed ot something else?

[dusk ravine]

So this could be an actual clue, meaning you need an elder dragon to teach other dragons how to elder. Possibly once you have one he can sniff and lead you to what you need to do.
steps on a ladder
first step, become that which you seek so that you can seek that which you wish to become

IF that is the case WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO YOUR COMMUNITY!

[rapid radish]

Me neither, it was shared to this chat ^^

[tardy perch]

Passively elder first to unlock the second method? That's not terrible guys

[last minnow]

its a reward

[rapid radish]

only takes you month or 2 😅

But at least there would be less elders for sure 😄

[tardy perch]

You'd only have to do it once idealy, then future dragons you can just skip the passive part and go straight to the method you unlocked

[last minnow]

that sounds logical

[granite smelt]

All this is most likely proof of is that its not even in the game yet and just a hype to keep you all looking for nothing so you play, then when 1.0.1 comes it'll "change" but really just finally actually be added to the game

[quaint ice]

But it kinda is... Imagine this;

Takes about 24 days to elder an ASD if you get your ticks everytime on the dot
Its the 23rd day you got your second to last tick. You go to your log out spot that has been safe for the past month. OH NO You're found! You died. Now you get to start all over again :)

[tardy perch]

Or rather, do the secodn method WITH passive

I do not comment on PVP experiences. I avoid them because they are by nature, very challenging, and very unfair. So no comment

[last minnow]

you can fill up on food then do this in a cave or something for pvp, then keep doing it

[quaint ice]

Yeah but you have to leave the cave eventually for food

[last minnow]

if you are just doing passive ticks, it would be in multiple days

[tardy perch]

If I were you, I wouldn't log off in the same spot. That's just asking to be found

[last minnow]

^

[quaint ice]

I did this in legacy and died so many times cause I had to get food and water T-T

[last minnow]

that too

[rapid radish]

Ulta asked for proof that he said "change it", so I found the proof for that

[quaint ice]

Honestly you arent seeing my point cause you dont play PvP so please dont crap on my opinions just becuase you like to play pve

[tardy perch]

Well then people who are in this chat who already have been doing passive elder need ot keep it up. Especially those on the 2x growth servers

Cuz unless Jao is held up with bug fixing for the next like 20 days, I don't think I'll personally find the method in time for the next update

[cosmic river]

@rapid radish remember to keep patreon chats to patreon. its a private chat and is not public info