#New Elder System
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it does, dont forget its still a wip, the one ingame is very incomplete
ok
man this elder nonsense has gotten to the point where i memorized almost all the hours where the server will be nighttime😭
They might currently be working the masks and skins. There's reasons it's not player-ready. That was from the devs spot-dropping to show progress being made
Would be interested in knowing that, Lime, if you're willing to share
Should be done tho as far as textures and skins
According to this anyway
yes
"done" and "hooked up in-game" are, unfortunately, different things, a pain the testers feel all to well
i played when the game dropped and i remember orange scent meant another dragon was in the area... my clanmates even figured the same thing... now its no longer there.
Looking very forward to seeing that in game
And [Cough cough staying on topic] figuring out how to elder it
i would lean more towards the scent thingy, yall keep say Jao wanted eldering to be more social. if that doesnt say anything then this is another dead lead
thank you for deleting that @pseudo walrus
ok
Is new elder system implemented yet or is it coming in a future update?
its implemented, take a guess on how to accomplish eldering? 😄
yeah hit us with a new idea
need fresh insight
yes
@iron junco
i dont wanna dream about eldering again 🥲 i had my hopes up that i actually found the method until i noticed i was dreaming
please
Hmm wish I had some. I don't know what exactly is endgame that can be solo-able and ASD friendly
those dreams are evil
fr 😭
Could it maybe have something to do with a life cycle type gameplay? Hatching so many eggs, flying a certain distance, flying to certain poi’s. Or a combo of life experiences leading up to an elder?
your welcome!
Ive said something kinda similar no results yet
anyone tryd to defending there nest to see if its a hiden elder buff on that?
cause u can still pvp on pve and dve
then what's the point in pve if you have to pvp 
u still have the passive elder system, idk just wonder
we wil test it out on our server now to see
You gotta active elder in pve and dve too, not just passive on pve and dve and on pvp you can active elder
Have people done private servers with reduced food and water drain? It’s be nice to fine comb the map for any hidden stuff.
its so obvious that its right infront of us...
anyone tryd to use the bio to spit on a egg befor a player claim it? and then grow it up
no
lets be honest that was the first thing people did lol i mean some server even see it as blessing/cleansing to clear E's from nests
cool
ive seen so many rituals for cleansing Es
Here is a theory and sorry if someone brought that up allready, What if the activ eldering is in fighting Elements? Yes i know it is said Elementals are not out but! Why arn't they grayed out in Char selection and why is there a DLC for a Skin? Why do we have DvE servers? What can you do on even PvE Server? it is PvP!
water dippings somewhat succesful ;x
you can only unlock elementals by eldering, so nobody would be able to unlock elementals, so no eldering...
i dont understand? are you saying for me to elder in my pvp server i must leave to to fight elementals in a completely different server?
The Activ way could be defeating a Elemental
Hmm
gonna put that theory to the side, no hard feelings.
i was thinking crators, as they were from the volcanic moon raining down. could be how elementals arrived
i checked out crators and was hoping for fragments around but found nothing
anything in the crack in the earth?
crator was said to be importaint
nothing
it doesnt look importaint to me
so you dont think crators could be campable?
it could be a step. cant camp a process
alrighty, well ive confirmed nothing was over there
even spent some minutes laying down to see if anything would pop up
went to the center and around it to see if anything would pop up. nothing.
i took jaos words, first steps to going back to where i hatched
😮💨
I've always liked how this chat thinks
I like your ideas of first steps
I never thought about it that way
If I had to design an eldering system, first I'd have you put your dragon at risk for the journey. Probably dropping the Stam cap. And then I'd have you do something that required you to expose yourself to risks.
Something you could theoretically do in secret, but it would be an effort
the thing is since you can do it in pve there can't rlly be any risk
what kinda risk we talking about here?
even went to eating mushroom like when ur hatchling
yeah only risk would be mushrooms
It's not about weither or not the risk is real, it's about the ideal of it, the rule of cool.
fair
how would a adult dragon gain strength without fighting other dragons
Too late already did for asd 💀
dragon lore time
Patrolling a territory?
The "once you know how, it's easy" thing is throwing me though
done that as juvi
wait Moe we arnt mad
Normal stuff
i mean for a good reason but what happened now ?
Does it strike anyone as weird that the second wind's default setting is drained?
Like I don't think it's the prerequisite, based on the idea of not being able to just full level once you hit adult,
But it's weird
is Moe new?
Mad?
me?
no
not new
matter a fact, ill take the lead title in this whole investigation
any new leads on the eldering stuff?
nothing Tia
aw heck
doesn't ring a bell. never seen you here
do some scrolling
i could say the same thing
Ive been scrolling for an hour and have never seen either of you before. WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE?!
XD Jk, Hai Moe ❤️
LOL
I believe this is all of the hints/quotes we have thus far.. (edited)
[8:05 PM]
"you must take the first step before you can climb the elder ladder"
"if you want to elder then you must redacted redacted redacted"
"it is hard to figure out, but cool to do."
"it can be done at any time of day"
"making it more dragonish“
"Its endgame"
#hinthint #hint #jaohint
hmmm
please dont just spam the chat
yea that not even hints at all
well dragonish, not really swimming then and can have something to do wwith caves or shiny, any time of day is not light dependant, multistep, possible multiple locations or things to do
there hasnt been a bread crumb of indication for interactivity in any of the caves or location ive been at
no ""press E to interact""
nothing
its some examples, iv been blasting and snapping at crystals too
I’ve been watching this and the other chat on eldering like a hawk and it’s driving me insane.
me too
exept I didn't know there was another chat
Imagines shaking the devs/admins by the shoulders sometimes
I’ve seen it somewhere around here uhhhh
I could try to find it again or maybe it’s the same one and I’m stoopid
dragon like usually means Nesting, Sleeping, Resting. but its neither of these things
Eating food isnt even it either
we've tried almost everything everyone can think of. out of the box. under the box and even we obv tried to burn the box. so i we wanna be more dragon like what did we not do to the box ?
so what exactly is dragon-like, that can be done any time of the day that's endgame? besides eating, sleeping, and nesting
Hoarded the box
i tried. i stole a 1000 Bio hatchies and hoarded them. in a big cave and had them all glow me at the same time. didn't elder but crashed the game
Lol.
none of them are really cool either
I’m so curious like…I know when someone finds it we’re all gonna be like “Oh c’mon!!!” Lol
,
yea im assuming so
just an idea but wouldnt it be cool if a group of dragons were huddled up 1calling at something?
Tried that already
Had over 10 people calling together at the top of waterfalls
on the first day we had around 15 dragon of all species fly together and do 1 calls
all call at a single central dragon
on the first day of launch?
yea
were you playing on a pve server?
yea
oh ok, explains how you missed out on RATZ killing and hatchie killings
growing
still don't see the relation
eldering should done on any server that includes pve server
Huh? We weren't the only clan hatchie killing :P
Could you guys continue this conversation on a different thread? plz
PLS
the ladder statement is making me feel like there's not a one all, be all for eldering. it would be nice if we got more information about these "steps" of this "ladder" so we're not banging our heads against a wall hoping itll crack
fr
most theoties i saw are about a certain action maybe that triggers it
a lot of people were talking about the trials for each dragon
I literally only said one thing 💀
But anyway Im convinced by now that eldering just simply doesn't exist. Why else would our "hints" be so vague?
Well other than passive ticks of course
Dropping hints now and then wouldn’t hurt anyone
Yeah another hint would be nice
If only the devs/admins were looking at this thread
I have the same opinion, some kind of triggered event or something
we begged for hints that can give us direction a billion times
they probably are looking at this chat, laughing
i do think its in, but expecting people to figure it out with little guidance isnt realistic, especially when its eluded to be a multi-step process
yea but the thing is we tried literally everything or everything we can think of
that's not nice
Yeah sadly
a crumb of guidance pls devs
probably
just a little crumb
Honestly if nothing new is discovered by the end of this week I'm just giving up
Im too frustrated with this
just need find the starting point
a lot of people gave up already. but i know that there is something waiting to be found. it's just exhausting that it's that hard to fine
Give us one of the redacted wordssssss
exactly. or a direction
wouldve been nice if there were ingame indicators too
i wouldnt be surprised if it was names the REDACTED system instead of eldering at this point
that's normal
Dont forget the 100 boxes in alternate box-verses
[REDACTED] System
in big 400pts calibre text "you took the first step"
can we get them to the game ?
someone said the fireflies usually mean you're in a majestic cave. understandable. how the little lake before River has fireflies
They’re gonna give us somthing eventually. Probably when everyone gives up. cause in the end there’s going to be no progress. What’s the point in working on a game if no one knows how to progress?
LOL
It has a pretty nice view
there are caves. spots and lakes the have those
cant really see fireflies at day, but the location is still there. but thats map locations
this chat needs to be renamed to the "New REDACTED system"
terrain moment
goes all the way under the map
yea that was reported to the admins like 2 weeks ago
oh lol
think its a bug, i flew under the world looking for any teleport things
you get to learn and see all the little secerts of River
Anyone tried getting 100% poison from shrooms and did different things?
yes
Damn
nothing still
tried that out of bordem and nearly died
even dived in ancient water
i tried keeping it at 100 for some time
Just gonna go back to my cavern
is it cozy in there? 🥺
Yes but full of non eldered disappointment
confirmed you can't get in this cave right?
yeah already done that
at river theres a log at the waterfall, theres a small cave there if that does anything
Same ☠️
just good nesting
I FOUND THE MAJESTIC SPOT !!
you talking about the cave in River? nothing in there but yellow fireflies
maybe fly colours are for dragon types
yea i know
is ther other colors than yellow ?
also did anyone notice that the eldering tick for each dragons is different in % ?
yea its been said here many times
yea so i wonder if that has to do with how easy/fast it is to elder a dragon
that was brought up sometime ago but no correlation was found. Theories on bringing crystals to the matching fireflies etc.. nothing worked in the end
crystals i think are made to illuminate the caves in the night
decoration of some sort
I still stick to the A Bloodline A stat theory.
Yeah I think they are just there for looks
crystals were already said to be decorations
I think I remember someone saying something about an A in life expectancy to be important
I could be wrong tho idk
to represent majestic caves of the sort
I really hope that having 18a isnt the answer cause we have A bloodlines with 0 As, after 2 weeks of CONSTANT upstatting T-T
climbing the stat ladder!
nop A Bloodline and A Stats in all Stats
and its slippery
it is harder atm to stat up so it would make sens
gasp a ladder! that was one of the hints!
Okay, now seriously, why are you trying to glitch or find bugs to get under the map? It doesn't make sense. Why would the developers hide something under the map?
Nurse dragon will def help upstating
Honestly though upstated dragons to make elder prog doesn’t make sense either sadly as spawns get elder tics and you need a group to get an upstat dragon yet they said you can do this solo
Elder ticks are a different system, and nobody has stated officially that it must be achievable for solo players.
Nah man if it is not achievable for solo players than that would be messed up. I play in a group but I do think solo players should be able to get elder too lol
Yeah what about the solo pvp server?
No way they would denie solo players elders xD
I have some if you're still looking, I can dm you ^^
You can solo eldern, it just requires more time with the passive ticks

Solo players just have to do passive ticks... poor them HAHAH nah man that would still be messed up
No one says they want it to be easy. Rhino also said that figuring it out is hard, which would also fit.
Hard does not mean unobtainable tho
where is that
It's not unobtainable.
I leave the passive ticks out
Cause telling solo players "sorry mate u cant actively elder better wait for ur passive ticks lmao" would be wiiild
Have they ever said that it must be solo achievable? If not, it's still a theory worth considering.
i agree this would be wild but possible
They haven't said anything really but I suuupeer doubt they would exclude people, esp since there is a solo pvp server as someone mentioned before
remember that it is supposed to be harder to elder because there were too many elders in legacy
I never eldered in legacy...
well a lot of people did
legacy eldering was basically getting addicted to shrooms
easily as well on average of 3 days or less
It was just eating mushrooms that spawn on set location. Every hour or so you would fly a set route from one spawn to the other lol
I only ever got one mushroom on a PvE server
and I was an asd at island
everybody had abandoned that mushroom
ik
And sometimes people would camp the location and wait for someone to land xD
The worst was that you could see the blue shroom from afar but you had to get closer to actually see if it was there. So sometimes the shrooms would bait you into death
ik

i am one of the people who hardly play cause of that and the lack of content right now
We just came out with this in my clan's discord
Day of [REDACTED]
deets needed
Was at 12.5%, now at 15%(x2 server)
Decided to nest in the crystal cave underneath the big tree by the waterfall near BR
oh, the little cave under there? with the...blue crystal?

i love that cave
what dragon?
i'm trying to think if i nested there uneldered
if its 2x then its prob just a normal tick
SS
no my passive ticks have all said the “you feel stronger..” thing, and this time i got nothing but have been checking repeatedly
anyway what were you doing exactly?
nesting
just nesting
yea kinda doubt it
B bloodline SS
when we enable growth on my server i'll give it a go, it's currently disabled due to upstatting
assuming you prob just missread it
because so many people have been nesting rn, its impossible for that to be the case and nobody to have found it
no i swear to god, not even 20 mins ago it was 12.5
and you'd already gotten the 12 hr tick before that
yep
your tick i think catches up if you missed it the first time
Wouldnt that make it both campable and unsoloable?
righttt
i didn’t, i got my first tick this morning before work and got my second once i got home
well about an hourish later, then this one
if it is related to BL at all then that could be an explanation
are you points in social?
yes
^^^ this, and it could be non campable if you can nest in any of the crystal caves
b bloodline
i wonder if it's BL related for social points.....
Instead of going straight to gaslighting, maybe we be scientific and more people try it? See if its recreatable or repeatable?
bonk for eldering if social?
wouldnt people have noticed it tho on like pve servers?
that be funny
nvm its c bl
Yall are bugging thinking its in the game yet 
but yea i feel like this would have been noticed
gaslighting? who gaslit
I am on a PvE server and I think people arent trying this because there arent too many viable food sources near those spots
wouldnt like everyone on pve servers have like.. noticed by now.
unrelated, Toodles is my nickname for my boss so i just laughed thank you @proper patio
I will also try it and let yall know 🙂
carry on
thats why im saying i dont fully believe that that was a tick from nesting
im thinking you misread the number then went to check and saw 15 instead
to be fair the only things ive seen nesting in that cave specifically has been bio.
it was 12.5 before
I think it just came across that way since were all kind of sceptical, i dont think anyone had intentions of manipulation, but all the questions kinda came across that way
Anyways, Is asd able to get up to that cave?
yes asd can get in there
Or do we think it could potentially be any crystal cave?
you just have to fall into it from an angle
Ahhh gotcha
yea we are all skeptical of all of it because i feel like someone else would have noticed this on pve
Was someone taking your eggs? or just nesting?
Its totally possible that someone just missed it, since we dont know for sure that we will get a msg for more ticks
right
i was still incubating my first egg
Maybe its not the nest itself but the emote?
ive nested before on ss but not in a cave and didnt notice anything
like actually doing the dance with someone
dance in a romantic spot for an elder tick
Was it just you or your mate too that got the progress?
i didnt think of that
didnt they say they didnt want it location based?
it would make sense for it to reward ticks to both players
so its not campable
i feel like it should have been both that got it
yes
but i think were just trying to look at every possible option at this point
but proceeds to give hints "you need to go to [redacted]"
right
It was said that it can also be done on foot too supposedly
which if you need to go somewhere, you are going to a location
lemme ask them if they got a tick too
they said theirs is still 2.5 from when they got their elder tick earlier
What are you nesting on ASD?
ss
If it's multiple steps as well, what were you doing before that?
that makes me think even more that you misread it im sorry😭
i promise i didn’t
but before i was br and did 2 full nests, but because i was lagging there we moved to this cave
so 3 nests total.
Did you do anything before acutally setting the nest down? Emoting, sniffing, eating etc
i grabbed a bug then 2 called to my friends
these events sound simple
I will genuinely laugh if they made it something actually pretty simple (still grindy) and were just overthinking everything
Its not overthinking when the clues are so vague
right
Not in that way, more in a overthinking that it has to be something complicated and hard
ok so, grab a bug than yell at someone, dance with that same someone, bam elder tick?
The vague hints dont help for sure tho
If its multiple steps too, its possible she had the first step done already without realizing it and thats why she got a point and her friend didnt?
the first step could just be having a tick already
the clues do not push us in the right direction.
We know it has to be accessible to EVERYONE, even PvE and solo players.
Its not location based, but can be done at any time of the day.
Its end game. Whats end game though? Being adult and nesting??
Its meant to be soloable as well which throws away options which also doesnt help either cos do they consider being nested in as non solo?
you cant nest as a solo so???
unless you manage to find someone thats chill with nesting with you
which is basically impossible on a PvP clan server
But thats still not solo technically
yea
Right, but what about being nested in is what im asking
Would that count against being solo? if so its probably not bloodline based
i dont think its bloodline based
Reason: Bad word usage
👆
Oof
I dont think its bloodline based but we keep leaning towards it
i personally dont see it being bloodline based because that just screws over solo players
^^^^
right
sometimes I feel it has to do with Bios since theyre just a walking snack
Didnt jao say we already have all the tools needed to elder?
and then people keep saying that it could be a pvp thing which makes no sense bc why would you pvp in pve
But that would also make it nonsolo able :c as cool as that would be
sadness
We did it to test out bio survivability, but it didn’t make a difference.
back at it again with another dead end😭
it kinda sucks tho cos like thinking about it, the hints that weve gotten make total sense to jao cos he knows how to do it, and were down here losing our sanity
games been out for over 2 weeks hasnt it?
just about yeah
like, give us a BETTER hint.
im just gonna wait till the 17th of this month and see if we get anything
Genuinely what have we missed up until this point?
Not only that but i dont think theres any in game msg that tells us weve done something either
just went all over the map in search of anything that may be related to caves since me and my clan were theorizing it had something to do with it, but nope 💔
I thought that maybe the caves that had the lil fireflies might of had something :c cos they look perty
yeah, sadly no :(
awe :(
they said it can be done on foot, maybe we just need to run for extended periods of time 
Non campable, Soloable, and non location based
non location based yet it was teased as a location
i really just
am so done with this
im trying to be positive about it cos i think it could be a really cool process its just kinda hard to stay motivated about it if they just end up changing it
maybe they meant 'go to (do action)'....
But i think we go it maybe
go to means you are going to a location
were dwindling it down at least
bio cant elder tho
Thinking about it though it doesnt actually have to be location specific
Can still murder one.
but thats incomplete
"You have to grow to adult, then obviously go to run to get elder"
go to can be technically used to say go to do an action as well, but it was just a hope to make it make sense xD
Wait do we actualy have the video of the whole redacted msg, cos theres like 3 different variations
"he said first u do redacted, then you go to redacted redacted redacted, and after that you have to redacted" - is from silver responding to someone asking about what he said
"You gotta redacted, redacted and redacted, then go to redaced redacted and redacted then XD" From soul_of_water responding to same person
we dont as its only what they said, but these arnt the hint
"SO GUYS you have to REDATED REDACTED REDACTED. then you obviously have to go to REDACTED to get REDACTED" The msg that we all know and hate
i mean love c:
yea that one is the one that sounds right
people be making up their own versions then it turns into a hint
Im pretty positive this person was just joking about the redacted thing
Cos this msg isnt from a dev or anything
Someone in dev talk said someone mightve recorded it though
the redacted is what jao had said
the issue is that words get lost in translation, and jokes as well :c
it was a multiple step process they had said
i remember it, but not exactly verbatim
^^^ exactly (not a bad thing) its just kinda hard to pair things up to the redacted, especially if its off by one word, or if the redacteds are in the wrong order yadda yadda
I think they post the Q&A's on yt maybe? i hop
^^^^
It was on Discord.
Oh wait I get what you're saying
xD
lusewing recorded the most recent QnA
Go to [the woods and scream bloody murder]
Go to [a pond and lose all your stam swimming]
Go to [caves] to get [lit up by fireflies]
This makes me laugh, I had a dream last night they took away passive eldering to make us find the other eldering method that I got online and flew around rage emoting all over the map then I got a pop up saying I was eldered 
Mine was hunting juvies and spitting on trees as an asd XD
Anybody weaselled the way out of the gatekeepers yet?
The only eldered people I know are on maps with no growth, and those whove been eldered by the devs
Or the cheaters 
c':
wait who said it can be done on foot?!?!?
I suggested trying to walk around because all dragons are capable of that. But in this current discussion? No idea.
ive said to keep it close to the ground because of ASDs. but if it was said by a dev that it can be done by walking then its something on the ground that we need to activate/trigger
aside from bugs i havent found any pickUpAble items
and to say something is uncampable would mean it isn't a specific location or any location i gen, it'd have to be something we can do as an adult dragon...anywhere no?
hm
at this point jao should just drop a hint,,,
it's been a few weeks at this point
just over two weeks (saturday was two weeks actually)
Still
Imagine the clue has nothing to do with the eldering method and it was just for us to suffer
I bet
real LOL
but seriously he should just give a real hint already and no jokey one
cause at this point I am convinced he is lying about there being a active way to elder
insert change my mind meme
Personally I think in order for it to be grindy I could see them walling it behind needing a certain passive growth first like 25 or 50%
Someone got a video of an orb-looking object tonight - not a blue one like normal, but yellow. There was an ASD right next to it before they approached it, too
Ehhh i dont think thats really grindy as much as it is with staying consistent, cos if that were the case i could just set a timer for 12 hours and log in every 12 hours until i reach that point
That could be a bio egg, since they are bright glowing yellow.
That could just be a video artifact. I get weird things like that all the time in here especially when flying.
We had a false alarm before that was just a bugged bio egg xD
Lmao, the only reason we’re not thinking it’s a Bio egg is cause there weren’t any bios nearby, dead or alive, and that looks more white-yellow than orange-yellow
Shroom maybe? did the asd see it as well
From what we understand, yes
The ASD was right near it, left, and then my clanmate started approaching and it vanished
Wasn’t one of our ASDs, otherwise we would’ve asked it
Ah the quality does no favours for colour definition for me 😂
XD
It just looks normal yellow and so does bio egg to me.
Not the best colour vision though.
Fair, I work in printing/color, so I’m very good at over analyzing colors
i thought we were supposed to get another point at 25%?
If you hit exactly 25% you have to wait for next tick.
I didn't get my point on my ASD until I got my next tick (~27%)
ahh ok ty!
so the orbs arnt a myth?
oh late reply mb
chat was scrolled up
Possibly
We’re not sure what this orb is/does, but the fact that an adult ASD was also nearby/likely saw it gives me hope
interesting
That what i saw then poof fast
I still think the orb looks like a video artifact... Ive seen many artifacts in the game and the way it poofed when the person got closer just looks like an artifact
bugged bio egg moment
but one i say was come form the sky hit or thay look like thay was in trees close round BT
when i got there nofen there
I bush it off becuse of the bio light up
So i gave up on elder bucuse Elder is not in game just the elder tick
ive seen like purple-ish light falling from the sky also before but ive just assumed its plasma shots being bugged
though ima admit that does look like hatchie spawn in the video
Looks like a hatchie spawned in EF
that's what I was thinking, because I've seen the exact same thing- a small golden orb- but when I got close it was a bio eggshell.
looked just like the one in the video
A bio hatched and yeeted to the bushes without showing themselves
sometimes the lighting of the egg lingers, because the last time I saw one it immediately snapped to the broken eggshell model and lost all its glow with no bio to be seen
We of the bio nation love trolling the elder missionaries with our broken eggs
sounds about right, bios feel like they are chill but can be a menace to society
We are. Trying to chill on pvp? We will hunt you down and spit on you while loudly calling, not even to clan mates, but to everyone who could hear our serenades
thats just evil and im here for it
sound exactly how they would behave out in the wild
I’m personally thinking it’s not a Bio egg cause
1 - the color is a yellow-white, not yellow-orange, and
2 - eggs don’t spawn in that particular spot
But idk, I just figured I’d toss this here as food for thought
so that was in elder forest correct?
Yes!
To be fair, eldering on pvp servers was always this way. In fact if your clan was smaller or you didn't "please" the mega-alliance the closest you got would be about 50-70% anyway, and they'd just kill you when it was funniest to them.
i’ve always played on pve but once they add more food to the map i’m really tempted to try pvp and see how far i can get
with eldering at least
Has it been confirmed by the devs to not be in the game?
It's the opposite actually. the devs confirmed it IS in the game outside of passive ticks. It's just people are giving up on finding it
Mmm
Ngl I swapped into legacy so I could experience eldering by myself for the first time now that everyone isn't hardcamping mushie spawns xD
This IS the best time to do that not gonna lie heh
Absolutely. Gave up for the night tho cos I forgot i have to regrow my fs 😔
It's back to brainmelt time tryna elder on ue5
This is why I wish he'd at least tell the testers. Cuz if no one oops found out yet, then it could be bugged...or if it's not bugged, we could give feedback on if the method is actually too arbitrary or whatever else it might be.
Idk, looks kinda like a bugged egg to me... Do you know the coords
?
tbh he should tell us anyways its been what 3 or 4 weeks now?
What kind of genius do we have to pull out of our bums to figure out, "You must take the first step, only then you can climb the ladder" or whatever the hint was
its called him lying not giving a hint
A data mining genius most likely.
😭
at this point I am certain it isn't really in the game
It really depends on what the method actually is. It's probably not a genius method at all.
He didn't lie, could you please stop saying that.
Watch it just be "Exist" but we're all out here fretting because he's made it sound all philosophical 😭
naw
I mean, it might very well be 'your dragon has to exist for x amount of time'
if it is that it is a white lie
Sobbing idk what to try, cos I'm fairly certain everything I can think of has already been tried
I dont think it's about travelling cos i've flown around most of the map
PvE servers would know by now if that was the case.
everyone has tried everything so honestly what else is there besides just live long enough?
and if that is the case that is not active
that is passive
what is there to kill people on pve servers except starvation
they would be elder by now no
or at least near it
Even then starving wouldn't be killing technically
if it was live long enough ; they would know
Yea
on pve our dragons only stay alive as long as we're top of stat chain, then we renest, not many old dragons on the DvE server
I think my oldest is about 5 days
We do not know enoguh to be making statements like 'it sucks if it's this method' or whatever
I have an ASD that is already at like 37% passive elder, so if it was "survive X time" to unlock I'm gonna be passively eldered from existing anyway.
That's why I don't think it's that. Or if it is that, the time required was met long ago and we just didn't find the trigger for the next step yet
the white names here must not have been here when mela got introduced I take it. WE also tried and failed to figure out the exact process for that too until Jao spilled the beans. some people oops did it, but we never did know what exactly did it
I'm going to hurl potatos at jao 😠
ya well it would be nice if we knew enough to even head in the right direction right now anyone who is still trying to figure it out is doing so like a chicken that got its head cut off
I was here for a lil bit in legacy but i got all my stuff grown and then it was the rat-race of who could hardcamp mushie spots and insta eat when one spawned, I'm only back for UE5 recently
true, everything I've tried has failed to produce any results.
like i don't know a it involves blank
Again it's why I wish he'd tell testers the method at LEAST...just so we can make sure it works, and also give suggestions to improve the method. I mean something as simple as just some sort of in-game message that's different and new could be the signal that we are on the right track. I know it's frustrating, but we'll know it one day, whether being told it or discovering it. And then we'll be fine...this will all be behind us and us testers lurking around can give feedback on how to make the eldering method either smoother, or just tips on how to do stuff like this in your game and make it fun instead of frustrating
aren't we the testers at this point?
I'm not paticularly caring about it atm because I know he has much bigger things to address like the ping kicks people are still having. That's an even worse bug to fix and since he hasn't fixed it yet, it must be a doozy. Only bugs that are doozies tend to keep his attentio nthis long
I'm speaking of the testers that are in the testing discord specificially. you aren't wrong in a way, but I mean the people who tend to test stuff first
the SWG server I'm on dropped hints/confirmed inciting triggers for Jedi unlock after a while of nothing. Instead of just being hush/redacted they'd be like "talking to someone could be a trigger" if someone thinks they're on the right track for inciting.
Jedi Unlock?
Sorry I'm comparing the elder thing to SWG again 😂
Lmfao np
Basically I'd just like to see a "yeah you're on the right track" if someone comes up with an idea that is inline with the system.
Ooo
OH I see what you meant now
I was like "Huh, there's another DoD server that knows how the eldering works??"
xD sorry
No no you're good I haven't slept is all. 6am be hitting hard
UK as well?
I am lol
Yeahh
ppl have already combed the map with SS & IR? Wondering if anything has been missed like another small cave
the only other cave i've found was the one in the old river area
nothing special in it ofc
We could ALL just go into questions and each post “How do I elder?”
caves would be campable thus against the hints
lmao
lol
we should
i honestly think it might be broken
Lmao the revolution!
Yes
i wish he could've just made it the first quest instead, to give us a feel for questing as a whole
The whole server just all asking the same question lol
it's possible it is broken
not textured
He probably wanted to do that idealy. Make eldering the first quest. But questing isn't gonna be survival mode, so it can't be the way to eldering. Not while quests are not in yet
i think it kinda smells that he removed mushrooms, as annoying as they are...
I mean, tehcnically it's still kind of a quest, eldering right now that is. It's just a quest that has no instructions and no good hints to get it started without a doubt heh.
this game would really benefit from NPCs (i miss bacon :<)
kinda crappy he removed bacon and bacon's cave
yeah & perhaps he could have made 100 spots for them to spawn but only allow 20 on the server at any time so they're in random places
That’d be cool
scattering them throughout EF specifically would be neat
Doing random spawns would have made the mushroom system work perfectly fine. Encourage people to actually explore the map more
right
they should also increase scent range tbh, so those shroomies n'stuff would be possible to find LOL
actually
i feel like scent as a whole could be reworked
It aint shooms for ue5 is it?
not as far as we know lmao
nope. I asked in the questions channel
I'm p sure the one thing our devs confirmed that it wasn't shooms this time
i wouldn't mind shrooms though at this point,,
Don't even
Yeahh I'm inhaling my elder ticks lmao
i eldered all 3 of my dragons in legacy with ticks and shrooms lmao
Shrooms was a lesson in sheer boredom.
People we're sick of the elder shrooms, so no 1.0 doesn't have them just yet. They'll probably still be used for something. But maybe not for eldering
And afk camp annoyance
randomly scattered shrooms would've been better, to prevent campers
Ppl spawning with their noses already on the shroom spawn
as in random spawns, then being able to smell them out
He would have to have made an insane amount of elder shroom spawns that they could randomly be at for the mto not be campable. But that is do-able.
Mhm
or he could make something where there is no set spawns and it just spawns at a random coord
At first there used to be a lot more elder shroom locations. But he shrun kthe number drastically due to there being TOO MANY elders. Which I always found weird...
like
What happens when you reach 100% sickness?
D'you just insta die or is it progressive
Health starts dropping
i've never done it tho
Well, I'M GONNA DO IT
Its not instant
stop eating BIOS, ANX
NO!

Its not a bad idea, but we'd probably have an issue with them spawning in rocks and stuff
true,,,,
could like...
have them try to spawn ON the rocks instead LOL
ik there's some shroom spawns (red shrooms) that're on rocks
they're kinda cool
there's one on the stone spike on top of BR's cave
Yeah but random coords are prone to more bugs like spawning in rocks and cliffs. Would probably work fine 90% of the time though
Or he could code it to have the spawns avoid a certain perimeter that he sets
Alright here we go >:)
Gn
Calling it for the night guys, been wondering around elder forest to see if any trees were maybe interactive. Nothing 🙃. Ima hit the rack bruh

Your braincells are valued ❤️
There is definitely a big difference between dev of this game vs other devs I’m currently playtesting for. They gave hints to things when players were stuck or uncertain. Even just little nudges of “have you checked out what’s over in that area” to giving a full little riddle for us to solve. Here? Silence, vague mentions, frustrations. Threatening to change the whole method instead of teasing the community with something like a true hint or riddle to get the answers they need.
I'm sure Jao isn't exactly thrilled with the way 1.0 was released either
Anyways here’s my reminder:
must be able to do solo
Must be able to do on any dragon (cannot be limited by flight)
Should not be a location that can be camped by PvP players.
We have all the tools we need in game right now to elder.
He wanted more time
Yeah I don't get this changing stuff either...
Community: struggles to figure anything out
Jao: eldering is too easy if you don't find IT by X amount of Time i'll make IT harder
I don't thin kthat is at all how he pitched or said that.
I'm just gonna...do my best to urge hi mto not change it and to give more clearer hints. At least while his game isn't able to do so
He did say that it's super easy and that he'll change IT if we don't figure IT out by next update
Didn't he say that its hard to figure out but once you do its easy or something?
Yeah
Personally, "endgame" in my and a fewothers eyes is flat 18a. You'd think with the nesting update and socializing wouldnt be apart of that?
Yeahh.
And NOONE has gotten an 18a, correct?
18A seems a bit.. brutal for a requirement for eldering tho
He said figuring it out is difficult, but once you get it, its cool. People are paraphrasing a lot
I just don't see flat 18A as endgame. Or at least not anything that fits my criteria.
I find it endgame compared to most things (ec: adult)
I see flat 18A as like, achieving the level cap in an MMO. You unlock the endgame but its not the actual endgame itself.
I see endgame As beating the world bosses but those aren't in yet
18a is a side quest
Endgame to me is things like bosses, raids, hard content meant for that level cap (aka 18A)
I also see it as endgmae for now. But if that is the requirement, it's too brutal of one. And I'd hardly call nesting 'cool' lol
Yh but what else would even count as endgame.
Anything you can do after adult.
Adult? Yall tried everything.
All of my dragons are adult.
I got mine all adult, and that wouldnt make sense.
Right
If it is, that's not terribly hard to do. I mean, mela was growing a Iconic nested to adult without logging
The exact quote for those needing it
And what's the point of the 4th nester perk of seeing your recessive stats if you can only unlock it after already reaching flat 18A?
Elders are meant to be strong, hence 18a.. in my opinion
I thought he said he was gonna make eldering easier if we couldnt figure it out? not the opposite where did these words come from
If growing a SS, IR, and FS to adult is all that'd neede to sTART theprocess, there still has to be more to it
Ive flown around the map on each dragon, twice-thrice.
Because I think by now several people have done that
Its definitely going to be something you actually have to work for though. If its something as simple as sitting and growing, its not very good endgame goals
I dunno about the rest of it. I’ve only been catching fragments.
Can we take into acc the questionable water sources on the map (theres 3)
2? In ef and one near 4ponds i think
Ah yeah the Dagobah swamp lookin water right?
You don’t need 18a to get dominant trait. You can get it at 25% (I already have it).
What do you mean by questionable?
Which is actually super nice from the original needing to fully elder
Looks oily ig?
Very.
Ah okay that’s fair
It looks like stagnant pondwater that's got bad algae blooms or something
Hmmm I’ll have to go check those out tomorrow. Already up later than i should be. Definitely gonna pay for it in the morning.
Go eeb Helix
Yeah with passive ticks, but it's still behind elder progress, if passive ticks are removed (I think they are just temporary until the real method? ) And the criteria to Elder is flat As then it's useless
But this is just speculation
What ELSE would be endgame besides 18a or all adult dragons.
If its meant to be end game having Flat As kinda makes sense, cos once we actually get to that point more and more ppl are eventually just gonna be nested into flat 18a from spawn
It's got to be more than just a one and done thing, otherwise we'd be seeing players with bigger passive ticks. So there's gotta be something...some sort of action we got to do to 'claim' more elder progress.
Also just seems a bit brutal though just starting out
If it's something we figure out once and then it's easy, I douuubt it's gonna be 18A
To enter in here I got 9elder prog on a fresh asd without login before i killed it
"figuring out" 18A seems like a massive copout.
We won't really know til lsomeone gets an 18a
That included slaughtering players in my freetime
I have a hunch that it's PvP related, like "kill 100dragons" or something, like currently the endgoal is to battle, no?
Pve IS player versus enviroment.
Punch the rocks really hard
Youd think with the loss of irongrazer not added that would be something.
anyone tried smooching a tree?
Maybe it's bug killing there? XD
yea it was sent here
I know someone who tried that. Several times
Lol
There better be a montage.
people tried dancing with non living objects😭
Lmao unfortunately not
Dod going mental it seems..
and bugs ; ;
"oh hows your community like?" sacrificing corpses.
those crystals have been violated in many ways
The crystals are just vanity
Speaking of "smooching trees" my favourite thing is hovering as bio into the stalactites in that one cave at BR and getting stuck, so you just rapidly spin around it
...clip plz i wanna see in dms
I mean...wild Guess but did anyone try sesrching for a...landable cloud or something? IT would be pretty cool to chill up there XD
I think the clouds are just static, but honestly that could explain SOMETHING.
Otherwise, no.
And the next update is the weather system sooooooooooo
I'm not ingame atm I'm patching something 
And im not hopping on to eat cloud
I tried ot just explore the 'cool' things to do in te game, so I flew over the clouds and then had my clan watch as I dove through them from above lit on fire as a IR. Metoer dragon. Almost crashed
Is crashing cool in this game? lol
If you do a triple backflip yes
Ah meteor dragon, old favourite past-time back in alpha 
Sadly that's really hard ot do in this game. Nigh impossible cuz the physicalls won't let me do a proper loop
Rip
Other than that, I explored the mountains and caves, because exploring is cool in this game.
Honestly, id just say let jao change it 😭
I like exploring
None of us seem to even be close
Sat on the highest peak of the snow mountains and roared at the moon
I'll see if I can spot areas that are gonna be caves.
Its fun to shove the camera into them and be like "ooh, blockout"
We might (probably DEFINITELY are) just be overthinking thooo
I'd rather he just tell us and not change it. Cuz if he changes it, we do this whole song and dance all over again
Im not really overthinking anything, the hints are extremely vague.
Or at least give us better hints
See that gets me too like
Like, someone send the list of hints
that actually give us some kind of lead
If you think it’s cool
without knowing what we are all looking for we could be closer than we even realize and are just missing something all together.
Who has the list of hints.
his is all the "phrases" we been working with: #hinthint #hint #jaohint
One of his hints said it is hard to figure out, but cool to do.
according to jao it can be done at any time of day
you must take the first step before you can climb the elder ladder
And the Redacted one but that wasnt in here
..i stand my point
But cool to do?
That varies between players
What would be cool to go out and do
Like, personally my ver of cool ingame is slaughtering adults
Lmfao yeah
I was saying this to my bf just now in our call. That’s a huge matter of opinion
Some it could be clouds
Yh
My favorite thing about the game is nesting. I think that’s cool lol
😭
Or my questions chat option
Pfft
Knowing Jao, he really reallllly likes the clouds. So far it doesn't seem like that'll work since you need ot fly. But honestly there ARE clouds on one of the snow mountains so you can touch them even as a drake
I love sitting on the mountains in the clouds
But seriously, with 99% of the community tryin find it its low we're gonna find it
And clouds would mean you can't do it with ASD
Yep
And apparently it's available for all drags
Unless asd suddenly doesnt have rights to elder
There IS a mountaintop with clouds that clip through it tho
Reminds me of my trip to Kendall back in the day when I was a kid. Literally in the clouds.
shakes cane or something idk
At this point im just gonna assummeee the method is basically gonna be identical between all species
He also really like HttYD...but I know what he really liked from that too is the scenes where they flew around in the clouds. But not all dragons can fly so...would just running count if it involved this?
IT would be cool to burn the Forest down
trees my old nemesis
Lmfao
Ima hop on a server, purge it and fly around. Anyone want me to do anything via SS??
He also seems to like Star Wars 
Arson
Ice behemoths are gonna be crying to trees
:D
Behemoths Elder naturaly they don't have to cry
The 'steps' part of one of his hints was making me really stare at those steppign stones on the sakura island...
I'm sad that you can't really stand on most of them
Im testing stuff on ss rn
I wanted to jump across them
Trying out stuff on my ir as well
Anyone want me to try anything on pvp servers
Give us your results ☺️
Mass murder.
Isn't there a lake with a cliff you can junp off of? I still don't have my internet, can't check IT XD did anyone try diving into the lake?
I tried going inferno and then having a bath and nothin
I also did try jumping off ramp with my ss and nothin, cos the ledge overviews the small pond
I used a single adult inferno and killed over 20 ppl, nothing
I mean IT like a leap of Faith thing without flying
No prog, no tick, nuh uh
Idk if anyone tried this yet but the bf and I flew to the invisible ceiling and dived down the other night too. Yielded no results.
Yeaa. That dont seem like anything
I dunno about you all but if it's the same steppign stones I'm thinking of, the ones that are smallish at the sakura island with the pink trees are solid.
Put in secret code fr
You can step on them without clipping. Or...I could on my IR anyway
I mean someone did joke about needing to input emotes in like a konami code of actions LOL
the list for both what has and hasn't been tried is long XD
Are the devs sure its in the game lol
It's been confirmed I think so ye
Have they bug tested it
No idea 😄
Even if IT isn't they won't tell, since IT makes a great job of distracting everyone
My moneys on its bugged
well i just took a bug to the crystal under the big tree, ate it, yelled at said crystal, Lit myself on fire, Flew to the music, Dove back down and yelled into the abyss
Nothin sadly :c
c':
slammed into a wall too
Lol
It took me way too long to notice that you can see the crystals in colour in NV, like the scent trails.
so who all believes it is in game and who doesn't this includes it being bugged
this just made my soul giggle with how silly this was
I beleive it is in
I am not swayed by the fact no one's discoverd it yet. OR if they have they are gatekeeping it
I believe it is in game.
IT was also a hint to "do dragon things" what does a dragon do?
- eat drink sleep
- fight
- run/fly
- hoard stuff
- set stuff on fire
- be angry at trees XD
just no one's been able to activate it yet...
I don't know, but I haven't really been actively trying to figure it out cos my brain can't think of things.
i am on the fence tbh though I do strongly lean that it isn't at this point
Without knowing if there's some form of feedback when you trigger it, its just throwing stuff at the wall and hoping you spot the trigger.
I say we shame the gatekeepers 😠
same, I've stepped away form teh game again... I rediscovered Monster Hunter World a bit lol. Lots of dragons on there right? lol
naw we convince devs to ban them
I've been playing Star Wars Galaxies with a friend 
:>
Part of me thinks nobody has actually figured it out, and its either cheating, dev grown, or 2x growth :c
Dont boo me >->
😠
@ devs ban kiu please 
If it were ín there they would be eager to follow our process of figuring things out and they would provide feedback, staying silent is either because there's nothing to find so they can't give pointers OR it's a punishment for the negative reception of 1.0
Would they punish for feedback on the game though? :o
no. they can't. You can offer criticism. Just be respectful. ya know. common sense. there is also feedback suggestions.
#1067202526878896248
I mean they did threaten to delay the update due to people complaining, so I wouldn't put IT past them
I think its also cos sometimes the complaining can just be straight up super rude and not actual feedback is the issue
Most feedback is MEANT to be rude
Its to get a point across of "this is unfair" or something along the lines
If someone just goes "yea, this is [this]" really kindly ppl wouldnt remember it or shrug it off. Rather than a more bold statement
bruh
Ooh
Okie
Tldr a lot of ppl just bash the creators instead of actually giving helpful feedback
we need to respect the creators just as much as they need to respect us
I see :o I didn’t think about that
Unless it’s in mass quantity which it seems it has been.
Yush ^-^
Even polite complaints when in mass are well understood.
Doesnt seem like it so far
We tried polite feedback, they didn't listen either way
I get dev's pressure but likeplz
One word or something for a better hint
Not a statement that varies
And tbh I don't feel like being respected by them at all
Maybe I am just too nice 🥲
Being nice never works for longterm 😭
From my experiences, being rude to the point of hostility tends to just get dev teams to shun/ignore you.
Not in my case
Kiu, you mentioned dirty water right
They target you
Yep
Im on bio and can give cords
Guess that depends on the team.
Leme circle rq
❤️
Mainly ingame
This is river rock on the map right
No
Rip-
❤️
If a dev is going after you ingame then that's unprofessionalism.



