New Elder System

[stray notch]

and odd

is the "then obviously go to REDACTED and get REDACTED"

[tame crest]

My ASD is like 30% elder from just ticks I'm gonna be passive elder before I figure out the actual process

[stray notch]

that part is the most important IMO

[tardy perch]

I mean, it COULD be 'grow 3 dragons' then go to 'location' to get 'growth'

[stray notch]

its where all the confusen is

[deep gyro]

Have to go to a friend? A place?
To get help, grouped, nested, etc.
To reach the highest points? To find bugs/water? To rest??

[stray notch]

see, thats why its interesting ^

[deep gyro]

I’m wondering what thing makes you have to go somewhere

[tardy perch]

Or maybe a elder shroom appears at x location after you've done the 3 word thing

[deep gyro]

Go out for milk

[tardy perch]

lol XD

[stray notch]

uncampable.

[tardy perch]

It could be a random spot, or client-side only so it's not like someone can go eat it

[deep gyro]

There’s gotta be a somewhere or someone that’s not campable

[tardy perch]

But yeah you are right if the location is set, it's campable surely

Is there something on the map that like...isn't in the same place all the time?

[deep gyro]

What other things can someone go to I’m googling it

[tardy perch]

I don't think there is sadly

[stray notch]

great question

[tame crest]

Go to bed.

Tuck your wee dragon into bed and get a good nights sleep.

[stray notch]

persons
food
nest
water
mushrooms
rocks
clouds/sky

thats all i can think about

[deep gyro]

Go to sleep to get.. stamina? Second wind? Heal?

Does asd get anything like second wind btw? The stam mechanic?

[tame crest]

No

[stray notch]

yesterday i was gonna grow an asd only on mushrooms but acidentally ate a bug at 90% juv

it seemed interesting

[restive barn]

i was thinking maybe the first step might be getting the first passive elder tick

[stray notch]

no second wind, but exhausted from swiming

[stray notch]

big chance

[tardy perch]

first you need to 'sleep all night' ? XD

That's easy to do for sure lol

Just boring

[tame crest]

I'm just throwing random stuff out

[stray notch]

hey i need some help on a video i cant find
it was jao explaining in a dev stream some new stuff in test server, trying pearls and testing UI, can someone pls give me the video?

[tardy perch]

Or it's something as simple as 'grow to adult' and all of this is hinging on a certain location we haven't found yet

[stray notch]

i need it for a theory

[deep gyro]

Locations to “get” something

[stray notch]

i mean all we have is horrible hints

that doesnt lead to anything

[deep gyro]

Yeah

[stray notch]

jao needs to understand that we need some hint to start thinking not throw some random thing that doesnt help at all and call it a hint

[deep gyro]

Not even a riddle atp

[stray notch]

he never gave any new hint for like 4 days?

what is he thinking

[deep gyro]

First you need to [have healthy diet] then you obviously have to go to [PlanetFitness] to get [exercise]

= stronk

[stray notch]

:\

[native yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/touchdown-bruh-really-gif-12484222

[deep gyro]

Kinda wanna ask if the [redacted]s are confirmed to be a single word
Or if they are multiple

[stray notch]

wait a minute... what if this is the "tools"?

[deep gyro]

That would be nice to rule out so it makes sense

[stray notch]

multiple

[deep gyro]

One redacted can be multiple words?? That would be impossible

You can fit a whole sentence in a redacted if you wanted and we have no way to know what’s in there

I hope it’s a single word for each one

[stray notch]

bro im even 1 calling through clouds, charging and everything

[deep gyro]

Imma try asking ;w;

[stray notch]

what yall thoughts on this

[native yacht]

already tried that

already tried that also

[stray notch]

what if the tools are ur family (drakes are diff, wyverns also), nesting , ur element and ur species

where can i find thhe passive ticks amount?

[naive otter]

cancels out ASD. it needs to be avalible for land drakes

and any others

[acoustic holly]

I was hopeful about the map saying weather was “cool” or something but even sleeping in the snow yielded nothing.

[stray notch]

im trying the ravine theory

it should work

i have 4 ticks, all agility

WHAT IS SS TICK? 1.2???

[lost lichen]

Yep

[stray notch]

hmmmm. im 5.0% growth...

[lost lichen]

But u said u had 4 ticks before? ^^

[stray notch]

yeah i know

4 ticks should be 4.8, right?

[dense current]

there are def smaller decimal places we can't see with the ticks

prob why you're at 5 and not 4.8

[stray notch]

seems like it

also i wonder whats the thing about crater

[deep gyro]

When I got my ss tick today it said 1.3
So it rounds up from 1.26 I believe?

[stray notch]

seems like it yup

its 1.25+ bc i had 5.0 in 4 ticks

so around 26

any fem SS on sanctuary wanna nest in crater?

hold on did anyone already try that?

[dense current]

don't think so because of how far it is from food and how glitchy carrying bugs is

[stray notch]

bro there is a 7 bugs spown like 30 seconds away

[dense current]

ive sniffed around crater multiple times and found nothing xD

[compact kindle]

https://www.worldanvil.com/w/day-of-dragons-semi-realism-xnocturnalis/map/abb7c431-4b64-4a58-b02d-bae79e3d72b7 the pins have coords for bugs in that area

[dense current]

yea there aint many bug spawns around crater :c

[robust crypt]

I mean Avengers Endgame

A franchise reference, the Infinity Gauntlet

All the colors of the infinity stones are in the game. So basically what I'm saying is it could be a Marvel Reference.

When I'm actually able to play more/focus more on the game I'll do a bit more of my own testing/recording my gameplay and see if I come across anything

[steady rock]

Maybe try the order thanos gained the Stones ín? Or the order they showed up ín the movies?

[robust crypt]

That's what I was thinking, yeah

Unironically those same colors also account for the lightsaber colors from the brief Google searching I did earlier, if we wanna tie it back to the Star Wars Galaxies reference

[steady rock]

What is endgame ín Star wars galaxies? Can that offer hints?

[proper patio]

I flew around the whole map as I brainstormed the clues, still trying to figure it out but found this interesting ground shape in the process 🤔

[stray notch]

bug

[proper patio]

Booo lol

That's no fun

[vivid compass]

Has anyone tried eating a bug from each spawn location?

[robust crypt]

That I don't know, I just know if Endgame is a franchise reference then people are more likely going to think of Avengers Endgame, which then draws attention to the infinity stones, which if we then tie it back to Star Wars it brings to mind the colors of the Lightsabers. That's just my thought process, though.

Again, I will actually do a bit more gameplay following my train of thought on the subject when I have the time to do so.

Because I know my thought process can be a bit... Odd 😅

[stray notch]

oh so endgame meant an end of something like a movie/game wtv

thought it was something more specific

[robust crypt]

No, I literally mean the Marvel movie Avengers: Endgame

[frail salmon]

Any updates?

[stray notch]

not what u mean, im saying what jao meant

[stray notch]

yes A LOT u just missed

[robust crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-thanos-vs-ironman-infinity-gauntlet-gif-13805105

[stray notch]

okay so what happend is

REDACTED

[stray notch]

that actually makes a lot of sense

but why

and how

[robust crypt]

But if that's what was actually meant then it wouldn't be a hint and just... A "thanks, captain obvious" moment

[robust crypt]

Because all infinity stone colors are in the game via the crystals XD

[stray notch]

no i meant why would he make it crystals

also, we did every single possible thing with them

didnt work

[frail salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-635629308990545194

[robust crypt]

It's the only thing I could really connect from thinking about both Endgame and Star Wars

[last minnow]

nobody figured it out dont get ur hopes up

[frail salmon]

Yeh Ik, just that Tamim is a clown

[stray notch]

well, all i can say is REDACTED 🤷‍♂️

man i swear to god

i can feel it so obvious

but i just

i lack knowledge

in some sort

[native yacht]

how obvious is the obvious?

[naive oxide]

not very obvious

[stray notch]

like, being overlooked

[somber shuttle]

Jao you’re overestimating your community, we require our hints to be dumbed down >:[

[native yacht]

nothing has been overlooked, we have done it all

[stray notch]

if u did that and still didnt find elder system, then u over looked it

other wise u didnt do everything possible

[native yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cry-depressed-gif-11149271

[stray notch]

me rn (its 4:42 AM)

[robust crypt]

[fading canyon]

Ik it was a joke msg but has anyone actually tried doing emotes and actions in a specific order? just out of curiosity

[native yacht]

yes.

[fading canyon]

Every single emote along with sitting, laying, eating, killing bugs, sleeping etc XD

[native yacht]

yes.

and think about it, we emote to get 1-3% tick for eldering?

[naive oxide]

it could kind of like that thing people had to do where it was like up down left right a b start whatever whatever

prob not but who knows lol

[native yacht]

i cant believe dude came in said "it's endgame" after all we've done an requested... no shiz eldering is endgame

this is all the "phrases" we been working with: #hinthint #hint #jaohint

One of his hints said it is hard to figure out, but cool to do.

**
according to jao it can be done at any time of day

**
you must take the first step before you can climb the elder ladder

**
"Its endgame"

[acoustic holly]

Watch there’s a hidden “endgame” button we all missed.

[native yacht]

elderinh is hard to figure out but cool to do.
Eldering could always be done at anytime of the day

[timber laurel]

I believe this is all of the hints/quotes we have thus far..

"you must take the first step before you can climb the elder ladder"
"if you want to elder then you must redacted redacted redacted"
"it is hard to figure out, but cool to do."
"it can be done at any time of day"
"making it more dragonish“
"Its endgame"

#hinthint #hint #jaohint

(Thank you for the new ones drago)

[native yacht]

wait why did he put endgame together.. normally its end game? no?

[timber laurel]

I wouldn't read too much into it

[native yacht]

you right

can you put hash tags on your quotes so its easier for peeps to find later

kinda like i did with hinthint

[timber laurel]

Better?

[native yacht]

thank you my good sir

[timber laurel]

'course.

[somber shuttle]

So I’m gonna go WAYYYY out there on this theory with the Endgame comment. If there’s a way to get fragments of each color of crystal, and combine them in some way to make an elder pearl? That’d be pretty cool 😂

“If you want to elder you must (combine the crystals)? Hard to figure out, cool concept. Hoarding crystals seems more dragonish. Like I said, an idea that’s WAY out there, and I haven’t found anything interact-able with the crystals.

[stray notch]

HOW HOW HOW HOW

im okay with this theory

but GUYS

E button is assigned as "intract button"
its not only eat, it has lots of uses

but guess what?! there is nothing but eat/pick up/drink/pick hatchling

we cant intract wth crystals or anything by any way

also crystals are campable

its all pain pain pain pain

HOLD ON

[somber shuttle]

That was my thought too. Crystals are super campable. And I haven’t seen any sort of extra spawns or fragment spawns.

This game hurts me 😂

[stray notch]

U HAD TO SACRIFCE AN ELDER TO GET FIRE DRAKE RIGHT?!

the fire big dinosaur like thing, was confirmed to be that way (or some other dragon)

so, what if u sacrifice an adult dragon to these?!

[tardy perch]

No, sacrificing an elder was to unlock elemental

[stray notch]

or maybe just a hatchling

[stray notch]

yeah sorry thats true

did we try that?

[tardy perch]

I doubt it since eldering via just passives takes about a month and a half, and 1.0 hasn't been out that long

[stray notch]

lol so what

[robust crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-avengers-infinity-war-mind-stone-last-stone-infinity-gauntlet-gif-15735729

[stray notch]

also guys, what do we know about the mysterious HUGE trees around the map?

wolfy, i didnt watch the movie tbh but was there smth interesting about how thanos go the crystals? like he did something?

[fading canyon]

Well paradise will have a cave under it eventually its just covered rn

[fading canyon]

its the Soul stone, mind, time, power space and reality

[somber shuttle]

Combined themmm

[fading canyon]

soul stone requires sacrifice of the thing you love the most and is yellow

[native yacht]

where is that?

[stray notch]

paradise cave

[native yacht]

i was tryna peak down there but never could as an SS

[stray notch]

u gotta sacrifice a yellow thing u love?!

[stray notch]

its impossible unless ur a hatch bio/ASD

[fading canyon]

XD nono the stone is yellow, sorry

or technically orange, the mind stone was yellow i believe

but reality is red, time is green, space is blue and power is porpol

[sly cedar]

The Sombrero strikes again!!! Lol

[stray notch]

please bro just accept it

[native yacht]

bro aint there.......

[stray notch]

every single stone had its own method if getting it?

guys hold on im getting somewhere trust me drago

[fading canyon]

Sorta, most of them were kinda just with ppl or hidden the soul stone was the only one that actually had any kind of special way of obtainint it

Which was sacraficing the thing you loved most

[stray notch]

which is orange stone?

[fading canyon]

mhm

Space stone was in the tesseract which is first seen in thor

Mind stone was in lokis scepter originally but in Ultron it was placed into visions head

[stray notch]

hello? bro where are ur knees

[fading canyon]

The reality stone is the Aether

[cinder musk]

I see you all talking about paradise cave... they arent going to put something for eldering where most dragons cant go... besides the bio cant even elder. its going to be somewhere where all can complete it

[fading canyon]

Power stone was in the Orb in gaurdians of the galaxy

And time stone was in the Eye of agamotton in doctor strange

[stray notch]

thats not related to what we were saying :p

[stray notch]

im confused rn ima go 1by1 from what i know

[somber shuttle]

It was just a cool picture posted. We weren’t considering it for eldering

[stray notch]

so i gotta sacifice to orange crystal. got it. someone wanna nest with iconic Male SS sanctuary for science (also kids go back to god)

[last minnow]

right lol

[heavy ridge]

Well first you need to go to ||the water|| to get ||a drink|| and then obviously you need to ||lay down|| ||take a nap|| and ||come back refreshed and rehydrated||

[native yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-635629308990545194

[hybrid wave]

Could it have something to do with the sleep-timer? Kinda like how you have to wait a minute before you can safe-log, you'd just have to [REDACTED] then you must go to sleep to get [REDACTED] (possibly 1 tic rewarded?)

[last minnow]

we honestly are trying to figure out what to do so you can get said tick

[stray notch]

im never thinking about it from now on

thats some bullsh**

[wide canopy]

It was mentioned its endgame, do ANY servers have 18a

[last minnow]

not even 4 a LOL

[naive oxide]

bro my server is still fighting with Es

bloodlines gotta be bugged, my ss is a B bloodline yet i have 9E

[tardy perch]

That isn't a bug. BL is different from your other gene grades

I beleive to get rid of those E's, you gotta breed two A BL dragons with matching gene grades together and there's a chance the grade will go up one (better chances with full social tree plus dom maybe?)

[bleak python]

There’s a breeding thread that helps with breeding 💜 I think it started out as a skin thread for future update

#1208688274189844481 message

[languid spoke]

that one is still for skins i believe

[tardy perch]

There's very little talk of the gene side of inheritance in that yeah

[languid spoke]

want me to make a stat thread lol

[tardy perch]

I for the most part understand it myself. My only questions was literally how to improve the stats once you get to A BL. Which I thought was matching like genes in like grades. With or without dom is the question though if it helps or not.

If you can answer me that confidently, then I'll be happy

[sly cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-peek-no-one-gif-12689987

[tardy perch]

anyway that isn't about eldering soooo XD

[native yacht]

yea lets keep this one eldering please

[plucky cosmos]

well, i see sanity has not been regained, and no progress has been made
I think I'll just watch and stay away, to keep the crazy at bay

[devout anvil]

Jao's funny calling eldering endgame when it takes like 2-3 hours to reach the end of the game LOL

[dense current]

we aint endgame till everyone has full a stats in both dom and recessive

[devout anvil]

LOL

no

[dawn pelican]

||good morning||

[slender arrow]

Endgame to me sounds like 18As bloodline A

[dawn pelican]

We already said it's not related to stats

[slender arrow]

So what’s endgame in this game to you lmfao

[dawn pelican]

Idk how am I supposed to know

It vastly differs depending on the type of server you play

[slender arrow]

Exactly the only thing to do here besides PvP is nest the endgame for this game currently is getting to As on your dragon

Everyone tried everything else already from flying above the clouds to crystals lol to taking bugs to the crystal to sacrifice them .. literally the only endgame is to reach all As

[native yacht]

and then what? you get a constant tick of 1-3% ever second? just for being a bloodline?

[slender arrow]

That’s the million dollar question

[static mesa]

if it's 18 A BL A then it won't work for PVP servers. imagine having to grind all the way up when you join a PVP server just to elder once then die. and no it doesn't work if someone nests you because it has to be done solo aswell

[native yacht]

this is why we keep saying breeding and nesting are off the charts. you could have been an E spawn elder in Legacy. im pretty sure he kept the same principle

[radiant hull]

at this point we get elder on behemoths faster than normal dragons LOL

[mild smelt]

Would we perhaps like to compile what has already been tested? I mean, there are limited possibilities of what can be done and what cannot be done.

[native yacht]

at this point, eldering is a dlc

[turbid copper]

bro lol

[mild smelt]

Some people on the official servers say it's only the elder system through passive ticks in the game.

[novel oak]

that cant be what jao ment tho as we wouldnt call it cool to do

[mild smelt]

I mean, it's understandable. Several days have passed, and the fact that no one has figured it out yet is quite surprising. To be honest, I'm starting to doubt if it's even in the game. We've tried everything on our server, and nothing has worked.

The only theory we haven't been able to test so far is the one suggesting that you need to have an A Bloodline and full A Stats before being able to use active elderring. However, it seems unlikely since it's not achievable solo, let alone on PvP servers without a huge clan backing you up.

[agile edge]

Maybe it’s in the game but there is a bug/glitch preventing it from working.

[deft spruce]

If its endgame, did yall read the credits?

[mild smelt]

Well, the endgame in DoD would be reaching the adult status.

[deft spruce]

Or would that be the first step :)

[mild smelt]

Yes, we've all reached that point, and yes, I've read the credits, including the very sad story about Rhino's father.

[mild smelt]

But what should happen next or what we should do, nobody knows. If you know, please share your knowledge.

[celest knoll]

i think Endgame starts with getting to adult, breeding stats up, grinding for elder and later with Boss patches etc. defeating bosses and so on, not just reaching adult 😄

Maybe we are just missing the key point of this "endgame" to find out how to elder exactly. There must be a possible way that we are just not realizing right now

[mild smelt]

Fundamentally, in relation to other games, I would agree with you. The problem: Upstats don't work solo, but the elder system is supposed to work solo as well. Grinding for elder, yes, that's the point we're trying to achieve here, to even have the possibility to do so. And as for bosses, currently it's not possible since they're not available in the game.

[novel oak]

i took first steps as either where you hatched, or first elder tick

[celest knoll]

Should it be soloable? I mean the only QaA i read was, solos have the passiv ticks right now or did Jao mention It must be soloable?

didnt find any information about the solo thing and Maybe just maybe, its not for solo players and we are missleading ourselves 😂

[mild smelt]

That was one of the points that has been taken into account here: that it should be available to everyone on all servers, including PvP, without belonging to a huge clan, meaning you're solo.

[celest knoll]

thats my point: was it confirmed from devs or not? Maybe the mechanic isnt meant for solo so its just pvp and pve groups

[novel oak]

Yea it would lock people out just if a clan refuses to let you join or won’t nest you because they want all the eggs for their own

[mild smelt]

As far as I know, no, I couldn't find anything about it either.

[celest knoll]

yeah but i remembered that jao mentioned, he doesnt want so much elder dragons in 1.0 so locking out solo players would do the job.

• no one forces you in to huge clans, you could also find other solos and build up a own clan.
  so its possible for all players to do but its on your side if you can do this

[rapid radish]

Check pins 🙂

[pearl root]

I never get a response about my question in the Q&A. So maybe it isnt a solo thing ^^

[mild smelt]

Oh, that would be a drastic step and would be unfair for some players. Fortunately, it doesn't affect me, thankfully.

[mild smelt]

ty iso ❤️

[pearl root]

Jao said he want the eldering be more social..so ^^

[celest knoll]

only for hardcore solo i guess. on every server with groups, its your job to get close to others i guess

[rapid radish]

"Take the first step": get nested?

[celest knoll]

First Step: Getting adult and find nesting partners maybe

Then upstat your dragons to some key point

and then i dont know

do what dragons do, fly, eat, drink, bonk?

[pearl root]

call and sleep

[mild smelt]

So, on our server, we've achieved A Bloodline for all species and are now working on getting rid of the E Stats. We've already achieved this on FS, and I'll be sure to let you know if anything changes once we reach full A Stats and can actively elder. That's the only thing we haven't been able to test yet.

[novel oak]

To try it we could all go on one server and everyone clan up to upstat each other

[celest knoll]

doing this on IR right now but having so much trouble getting rid of all Es thanks to new hidden stats..

[novel oak]

Everyone do dominant traits

[celest knoll]

impossible without 25% elder 😂

[turbid copper]

i don't think it's stats based

[rapid radish]

which is possible with passive ticks 😅

[novel oak]

I managed one time but I have no idea how I got the points

[rapid radish]

You get passive ticks every 12 hrs

[celest knoll]

yeah but we have renestet ourselves so much we are far away from passiv 25% 😄

[mint tulip]

so I see we still don't know

[mild smelt]

The hidden stats are a nightmare. So far, we've only had one nesting pair in the FS that managed to banish the E twice.

[mint tulip]

shame

shame on devs for hiding this from us with no real hints uwu

[celest knoll]

maybe thats the reason no one figured out the new mechanic.
cause its locked behind key stats on C or B or A as i no one met with this stats besides BQ

[turbid copper]

If it's locked behind stats, then how pvp players would do it? those that play solo

[mild smelt]

I recall reading that someone here managed to achieve perfect stats, but I find it hard to believe. It seems unlikely to me, considering the difficulties we face in getting the stats we want.

[vapid oxide]

The problem with locking out solo players is that you just cut out end game from a fairly large portion of the playbase, especially on the Dragonborne server

[celest knoll]

as i said above, maybe its never meant for solo players. No Dev said that as far as i know so its possible its just for Groups/Clans or Solos that are willingly to interact with others

[rapid radish]

As said, Jao wanted less elders,so maybe active eldering isn't for solo players? 🤔

[celest knoll]

exactly this THANK YOU 😄

[turbid copper]

Bro this wouldn't be fair at all lol

[rapid radish]

Well who said Jao wanted it to be fair? 😄

[turbid copper]

bro what

[vapid oxide]

^ 100% this. Giving a MASSIVE advantage to clans will kill the game. It's not fair at all

[rapid radish]

I have not seen any proof, that Jao said it is suppose to be available to solos

[celest knoll]

thats the key point. We are thinking it must be soloable but when it snot soloable the only thing left would be: Nesting, Growing up together, playing together

[rapid radish]

and solos can still elders, but slower

[mint tulip]

watch noone ever figures it out without devs telling us

[turbid copper]

do you imagine how many players would leave because they can't solo in pvp?

[rapid radish]

there are solo pvp server tho now?

with no clans?

[vapid oxide]

Yes. Dragonborne

Locking elders behind clans entirely negates servers like that

[turbid copper]

A lot of players on pvp just want to play solo and that's fair cuz there's a lot of toxic ppl

[celest knoll]

its not locked. Solos are forced to play for passiv only.

[pearl root]

Its not locked behind clans..just find a mate. everyone can find some.

[turbid copper]

Forcing players to do something they don't want it's not a good idea

[vapid oxide]

So you want solo players to contend with people who can get elder in a matter of days versus what passive gives you in a month at the fastest?

[celest knoll]

this argument gets on my nerves sorry. yeah players want everything but its on the devs side to give them what they want to give them 😄

[pearl root]

More Social,..just as Jao want it.

[turbid copper]

Do you think a solo player on pvp would agree to passive elder for 5 months?

[rapid radish]

if everyone is solo, like Dragonborne, it's equal

[turbid copper]

He said the game, not the eldering specifically

[mild smelt]

Yes, however, you only need 6-7 players to effectively get upstates.

[rapid radish]

it won't take that long, sheesh

[pearl root]

Exactly

[celest knoll]

who forces you to not group up with others to do exactly what clans do? no one does this. Its your decision. im only thinking about the idea that it isnt meant for solo players. I could be wrong but being so aggressiv against me for just throwing in this idea is somehow unfair from your side.
im not saying, it shouldnt be soloable, its just a idea cause no one ever thought about this.

[turbid copper]

If is this case then a solo player wouldn't even have the time to passive grow because of the clans that active elder cuz they will just get killed lol

[rapid radish]

Like Siberian said, we are not claiming it's not soloable, we are entertaining the idea, that what if it isn't?

[pearl root]

Maybe Jao mean with his "make the first step" find a mate 😛

[vapid oxide]

Mechanics need to be available to attain the same way in a game for everyone, not just a select few. That's terrible game design, regardless of how social the devs want the game to be.

[celest knoll]

jesus its just an idea. No one said its 100% true but right now we tested everything in every possible way besides the point: Maybe its not Soloable. This would give a twist to everythign cause we locked out nesting right at the start and maybe thats our fault.
If it would be fair or not, is a whole different thing but thats on the devs side and not ours to decide.

[rapid radish]

Tbf, Jao has made a lot of questionable choices with this game, so I wouldn't put it past him.

[mild smelt]

However, as long as none of the devs confirm that it's possible to do solo, it remains within the realm of possibility.

[rapid radish]

Also, what about unlocking mela? that is not soloable either

[pearl root]

True!

[vapid oxide]

I'm sorry if I come off as aggressive, I'm just trying to get my point that it's a bad idea from a gameplay standpoint as one part of the population playing this game. I don't have the time to spend a month or more getting elder through passive ticks, and seeing clans get it in a matter of a week or less from having an active method would 1000% kill any interest I'd have in playing this game any further because it's simply unfair at that point

[celest knoll]

sure it would be bad but we should consider it after trying everything besides group only content

[vapid oxide]

At this point every major clan would have elders if it WAS locked behind group content, and they don't

[turbid copper]

Exactly

[celest knoll]

maybe im wrong but thats fine for me. If it would be true, okay solo players get F* yeah.

[celest knoll]

not if its bound to stats as upstating takes weeks to even reach 0 Es in your bloodline. Im not mentioning BQ im mentioning all other stats

[rapid radish]

but Jao's hint suggests that it is multistepped process 🤷‍♀️

[celest knoll]

even big clans didnt Reach full A on one dragon right now as far as i know.

[rapid radish]

If they didn't figure out the steps, then not

[mild smelt]

On the other hand, this wouldn't be the first questionable decision, if we're being honest. After all the delay drama and everything, they're making a part of the game inaccessible to us under the guise that we have to figure it out ourselves, with hints that don't really help, and the statement that it would be changed in the next update if we don't figure it out. It's all rather dubious and not accommodating to the player base.

[vapid oxide]

^ this also. I'm all for trying to figure a mechanic out in games, but two weeks have passed and we need a more concrete hint before they decide to just scrap the system and change it completely

[mild smelt]

So if we set all that aside and assume that it cannot be achieved by solo players either, upstating would be the easiest method to reduce the elder population and ensure that players have plenty to do. So if the first step is to achieve flat A stats, what would be the next step?

[heavy ridge]

My dude. There are a lot of social games that make an event out of a hunt for a mechanic, a boss, an expansion. There is a reason server firsts are a bug deal in some games.

[heavy ridge]

To a point. I don't believe this level of struggle was intended.

[hallow mountain]

At every day that passes, I only get closer to lose 100% of my sanity over [REDACTED]

[vapid oxide]

Given that Jao is looking like he's leaning towards changing the way we elder since we haven't figured it out by now, I don't personally believe upstatting to all A stats is the way to kickstart it either

[rapid radish]

Why isn't he giving more hints then, he must know we are losing our minds xD

[mild smelt]

Okay, but what then? Everything else has been tested with all possible combinations of mutation points.

[turbid copper]

It can't be stats, cuz it has to be something that would have been discovered by now, and stats are still a long way till ppl reach to A stats

[mild smelt]

That's not true. It was said it is now available in the game, not that you must be able to do it immediately. Upstate is possible in the game.

[turbid copper]

I didn't said immediately lol

[vapid oxide]

I don't know, and that's why I said we need a concrete hint now to try and figure it out. If the head dev is thinking about changing the method to attaining elder only two weeks of 1.0 soft launching, then it's safe to assume it's not something that would be timegated to something that could easily take more than two weeks like upstatting to the best stats. Because the way nesting works now, you can get an A blood line, but STILL have a ton of E stats and that's after extensive nesting being done by those players for the last two weeks

[mild smelt]

your point is that the upstates may not be the solution. You argue that people have not yet reached such stats, but that's beside the point because it's potentially achievable in the game, but it takes time.

[turbid copper]

Who is arguing?

[turbid copper]

this

[celest knoll]

what else then? What did we not try right now besides group themed things like nesting/Upstating as first step?
The point is: everyone here tried everything right now, that isnt bound to nesting/Group gameplay. Say what we should try and i will throw away the idea of not soloable ways.
But denying something cause you hate it/dont like it doesnt help us here right now

[mild smelt]

Well, all well and good, but is it said that the update is coming tomorrow or next week or the week after that? No one knows. It could be in the worst-case scenario that the update won't come for months. We don't have a release date anymore.

[pearl root]

https://tenor.com/view/neil-patrick-harris-sad-upset-disappointed-sigh-gif-4435963

[turbid copper]

I still think it's something that must be triggered but how, i don't know, this is just my opinion

[mild smelt]

Guys, I don't want the first step to be that either, you can believe me. But we shouldn't overlook the fact that it's entirely possible.

If you look at it entirely neutrally, without any emotionality, what are the first steps a dragon can take: becoming an adult, flying, swimming, in our case, getting the best possible stats, fighting an enemy (dragon/bug), exploring the environment, finding something special.

The last one is likely ruled out since it shouldn't be campable, although I haven't read that in any message from the devs either.

[novel oak]

cant be collecting coz there is no weight stats for your carry inventory yet either, at least mine shows 0/0

[mild smelt]

Exploring the map... well, I believe we've all been doing that all along, and so far, nothing has been found. Everything that has been found are the crystals, with which we've tried all sorts of things on our server: nesting right next to them, bringing bugs to the crystals, using various emotes, shooting the crystals, interacting with them, flying into them, running into them, attacking them with all sorts of bile combinations...

We even started flying above the clouds and letting hatchlings glide down to see if flight training is the key. Looked funny, but nope.

[novel oak]

that wouldnt be possible for asd tho

[hallow mountain]

Maybe there's a reason why you can't die to fall damage :>

[mild smelt]

Yes, that's right, but at that time it was still in the room that all dragons had their own method, why was that discarded, was there a statement that there is only one way?

[novel oak]

im wondering why it was changed that the cloaking on ss doesnt constantly reduce stam, same with IR, eternal ability

[mild smelt]

true with the fs the same with the heat vision? I didn't pay attention to it yesterday

[hallow mountain]

It does have its drawbacks tho

Ss can't regen stamina when cloak is active
Ir can't regen bile when inferno is active

Asd slowly drains bile, consuming more when you bite, and can't regen bile

With fs, you use stamina on use, but you are kind of blind in terms of render distance

Heat vision timer can be kept active by hitting Q at the right time, it will use more stamina and extend the time

[novel oak]

fs seems only one that stayed the same, i was wondering if the eldering had something to do with the abilities

[turbid copper]

At this point it must be something triggered as i said, something that a programmer would do

[hallow mountain]

I'm bad at that, and have no clue of how coding works, but it must be something like "if player has any elder %, action x will increase % by [number]"

But that brings us back to the problem

We don't know what action triggers the progress

[turbid copper]

yeah that's the problem

[hallow mountain]

Now question

When people were testing new theories, that was BEFORE jao told us "you must take the first step"

So I suspect that we found the solution already, but didn't notice because the dragon didn't have any passive elder progress

When it tested the theory

[rapid radish]

but ppl were talking about trials and multistepped process bc of the Star Wars Jedi-thing

[hallow mountain]

The what?

[rapid radish]

Jao mentioned Star wars Galaxies in the Q&A and ppl explored that possibility for days

[turbid copper]

Yea but that was more of an example that if he will tell us everyone would be an elder, like happened there and everyone was jedi

[turbid copper]

lol

[rapid radish]

I know, but ppl still focused on it 😄

[turbid copper]

yeah

[hallow mountain]

I don't even l i k e star wars, I'm here for the silly dragon game 😭

WHY DO I HAVE TO STUDY THINGS I DON'T LIKE EVEN IN GAMES

[rapid radish]

Don't waste your time on the SW theory

[hallow mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/toothless-toothless-dragon-lizard-dance-dancing-gif-18147614732076936345

[rapid radish]

Here's your daily princess 💜

[earnest root]

hear me out, first step is unlocking the new 'No' emote

[turbid copper]

lool

imagine

[earnest root]

i mean, it should be something everyone can do, even solo players

[turbid copper]

but how do you unlock that

[earnest root]

no idea

XD

[turbid copper]

rip

[deft patrol]

On the topic of nesting and getting rid of these hidden stats, I could help on my private server, but I would talk about it more privately. Anyone interested, pm me/invite to group, once I’m home from work I will go into detail what I have in store 😉

If you want proof, and I will send you one as well

[fierce violet]

Still nothing?

[turbid copper]

nothing

[rapid radish]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-rainbow-imagination-box-gif-12387358019437193946

[turbid copper]

https://tenor.com/view/tomellis-good-morning-sunshine-gif-22582862

[cinder musk]

Everyones elder ticks have been .9% right? Im sitting at 5.5% this morning and thats not divisable by .9.

[jolly topaz]

not exactly, it gets ronded up i believe

[cinder musk]

that would make sense... I was trying to figure out if I had done something different.

[earnest root]

My elder ticks have been like 2.1% or 2.5% (I don't remember which, but one of them) but that's on Asd.

[rapid radish]

depends on the dragon species 🙂 Look at the pinned doc 🙂

0.917% on IR & FS, 2.1% on ASD and 1.25-1.26% od SS

[vale mortar]

The fact that Jao said if we cannot figure it out he will change it.. but why change it and the hints given aren't even really hints. I think at this point we are being thrown in a loop to keep interest in the game until it does get put into the game.

[novel oak]

the fact he says that means its something simple that anyone should be able do

[wooden marsh]

or it's not in the game yet and we're on a wild goose chase

[vale mortar]

if it was that simple, someone would've figured it out already xD

[slender arrow]

I’m telling people the only way to elder is passive right now

[chilly matrix]

Wouldn't surprise me if it was a lie just to keep us interested and playing the game until active eldering is actually added xD

[novel oak]

maybe its so simple its overlooked as cant possibly be

[vale mortar]

🤷‍♀️

[inland heart]

Yeah, I fully expect "Since you haven't figured it out, eldering must be too hard, so we completely remade it!" in the future patch notes, and then they enable it...

[delicate bridge]

Pretty much tbh

[compact reef]

^^

[whole hearth]

We found something yet?

Or we just give up and wait for a change/hint?

[delicate bridge]

Pretty much most of us are waiting

[naive oxide]

yeah until they actually give us a useful hint or the update where they “change it” i think most of us have given up

[delicate bridge]

Watch eldering be smthn we tried

[compact reef]

I mean pretty sure we did everything thats in game unless there is some fake wall like in elden rin you shoot and open up some giant hidden place thats uncampable lol. sorry been playing elden ring again

[sly cedar]

Bloodborne chalice dungeons had them too. Who in their right mind would think, "Aww yeah there's definitely a secret beyond this perfect looking bricked wall that isn't showign ANY flaws or cracks like classic video games. Imma hit it." *Wall seamlessly fades out of existance and tunnel to darkness becomes visible. WHO WOULD THINK TO DO THAT??? Lolol

At least in those games you hit things woth your weapons and "destroy the illusion." In this game, you think it would make sense to run around randomly biting trees or rock walls? Lol

You know what I kinda want? "You feel stronger..." followed by an ingame popup text message that explains what Eldering is and that you just got a passive growth tick. It happens every 12hrs, but there are other methods. See if you can find them! And then maybe some of the benefits to becoming an elder.

[drowsy panther]

I just gone throw this out, so we have nightvison but u dont need it really cuase the night time is so lighten up. I wonder if nightvison can have a part of it to discover a hiden place,portal,item ect. Just a thought

[last minnow]

if it was we would have found it by now

[drowsy panther]

Yea, true.

[novel oak]

most people spend most the time where food is tho, how long do we spend at elder forest

[rapid radish]

hours

[last minnow]

lots of hours

[turbid prawn]

To the point of starvation on bio, asd and ss

[naive otter]

i get bio is the fastest to search with but wont help us figure out eldering which is why i stopped using the bio to search

[turbid prawn]

Not risking my fs on a pvp server💀

[naive otter]

now i starve on myy IR, ASD and SS xD

[turbid prawn]

Only used bio when we were on the pearl theory

To see if I could zip through and see it rolling or spawning

[naive otter]

ah makes sense

have we got anything to test?

[turbid prawn]

Nope ;-; we at a dead end rn

[naive otter]

welp

if only we can figure out what exactly is endgame

[dusk ravine]

There is no endgame without eldering so kinda just deathmatch for everyone right now

[frail salmon]

No updates? People just giving up.

[languid spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/greys-anatomy-amelia-shepherd-we-dont-quit-no-quitting-not-giving-up-gif-24782598

[pseudo walrus]

I saw something on a PvP server yesterday about a place in the coords 7000 west, and they said that was where we elder, I'm going to see if they were lying or not

[gray mango]

I don't think there is a 7000 west

[languid spoke]

700

lol

but where in 700? north? south? middle?

many options

[pseudo walrus]

they just said 7000 west

[languid spoke]

welp

map is not that big yet lol

you'll hit a wall

[pseudo walrus]

yes are right

I only made it to 750 west

[languid spoke]

uh, should be able to go 50 more

map is 800 x 800

[pseudo walrus]

I ran into a wall at 750 west

[languid spoke]

that might be a glitched spot

i know i've hit a few invisible walls here and there

[pseudo walrus]

I'm out of hope that there is a way to elder now

[languid spoke]

there is a way.....we just haven't figured it out

[tardy perch]

It exists. We just haven't found the trigger yet. Most likely Jap will put us out of our misery before we actually find the method. It's supposedly so easy that we'll kick ourselves for how easy it is

[vale flicker]

If we had enough people willing we could go on a private server and try to get the all A stats. As long as we still can grow ourselves.

[hot ferry]

I'm happy to host or help out in another server if the growth is disabled.

[languid spoke]

my server has growth disabled

only issue there is: growth is disabled.
meaning if all A's is the way to elder....we won't know until we have all A's and enable growth and then pray that the offspring contain all A's

[hot ferry]

It'd still be better than trying to do the same with adults.

[languid spoke]

oh true

if anyone wants to try i'm available for at least an hour or so to contribute with my dragons, one does already have a dom and recessive A on one stat

[hot ferry]

I wish I could trust enough people to just be able to give anyone willing to help with upstating admin in my server.

[languid spoke]

right lol

or like, a restricted admin ability. can only replen and slay

[hot ferry]

It'd make slaying so much easier xD

[languid spoke]

i did find that the crabs do a decent job 😂

just lay on em

i'll brb, y'all let me know if we want to give it a go

[hot ferry]

You know you can slay yourself, yeah? It just takes longer having someone else do it.

I'll hop on for a short while if we get other people who want to give it a try.

[languid spoke]

it's a work night for me, so i'm only good for another hour.......i can ask the other server owner if she can hop on if needed, but otherwise......if people want to do it tomorrow around this time all 3 of us should be around

[hot ferry]

I'll be at work tomorrow at this time but I wish y'all luck if you can work it out!

[languid spoke]

oof lol

[vale flicker]

We might also get lucky and it only need life expectancy an A

[languid spoke]

possibly

[vale flicker]

What’s your server? I can try to be on for a bit this week

[hot ferry]

Tempest [Beginner Friendly/Growth Disabled] It's PvE so people can't ruin nesting efforts.

[azure pulsar]

wait...are these really glitches? or do they make an area with only one entrance?

[gloomy sand]

I'm very late here, but what is considered endgame in a multiplayer survival game that has no campaign...?

[tepid haven]

High level dragons

[gloomy sand]

[tepid haven]

Fully explored map

Maybe all achievements?

Like steam achievements

[gloomy sand]

there are no steam achievements for this game

and if there is no official list, or notification in game, to let you know you've unlocked an achievement?

how could anyone possibly know what they'd done right or wrong

any action one had taken in the course of their dragon's life could be considered part of the process which makes whittling it down impossible

[plucky cosmos]

pretty much. we have nothing to build from nor any way to know if we're doing it right

[sly cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-son-dragon-ball-z-exhausted-gif-13516929

[tardy perch]

As much as I wanna know how to elder, I can wait till Jao spills. Cuz yeah until some players oops do it and KNOW they did it, we have clues that help very very little. We'd need like a 'hot or cold' QnA just for eldering to get anywhere XD

[devout anvil]

full grown dragon, stats don't necessarily matter

[heavy ridge]

Echo (level designer) has been trying to match the world border to the terrain. So it's not going to be at 750 W alllll the way north to south. It can kinda sneak up on ya if you're not expecting it.

[native yacht]

funny the level would know something about eldering, but im sure he wouldn't spill the beans

[heavy ridge]

Level designer doesn't know anything about the eldering system (we've asked) I'm just answering why the world border is like that before people start thinking it's eldering related (it's not)

[paper aspen]

anyone tried looking through game files??

[gloomy sand]

It's supposed to be where the wall is located but it is separated in many spots by mistake. nothing is meant to be "hidden" there

the game files are encrypted

[deft patrol]

To a certain degree, so the sav files I mean

[hybrid wave]

This might be a stretch and completely unrelated, but there are 4 different bug colors (black, dull red/brown, bright red, scarlet) and four different elderable playables atm, and I'm wondering if you have to eat a certain number of a certain color for your dragon to get a tic?

I assume if it IS related, the brown would be for Drake, black for SS, bright red/scarlet for FS/IR

[frail salmon]

Yeh that was one of my theory that you have to "Eat an X amount of bugs" to reach elder or "Nest X amount of times"

[hybrid wave]

a hungry IR witnessed my bug piles 😭 RIP my science

[stray notch]

anything new?

[keen spire]

nope

[hybrid wave]

if anyone does want to experiment with bugs, like waiting til your'e starving and eating only bright red bugs to fill you up, this location has 4 close bug spawns and isn't often visited (95 N, 222 E)

[dawn pier]

Nest X amounts of times ? I know that my clan has 4 main breeders to upstat etc… 2 of them had to lay nest min. Over 40 times, to get decent amount of the high Bl

So i dont think its connected to nesting

[frail salmon]

Mmm yeh you're right

[stray notch]

guys we found a new ancient waters

[dawn pier]

Tamim 💀

[frail salmon]

Funny xD

[stray notch]

yes 💀

[tame crest]

Ew is that water

Some swampy ick

[dawn pier]

And X amount of bugs is not it aswell, i have 30% elder dragon grew with passive growth. Im sure i ate more than enough bugs haha

It lowkey feels like they didnt even do the elder system. Cuz lets be honest PVE players would have already found out (imo). Im starting to have lil doubts that they just said “ YALL GOTTA FIND OUT, ITS A SECRET WAY” just to keep PVE players busy meanwhile they dont even know themselves.. i of course could be wrong but i think PVE players would have found it since they as i heard already tried everything. (Again i could be wrong but since they delaying everything and with their bs we pullin up for 5 years i wouldnt be surprised).

[stray notch]

yeah i agreee, there is nothing but PvE players having a lot of empty time putting it all in mass nesting, means they got all the time to discover somethhing lol

[dawn pelican]

Oh no it happened for me now, I dreamed about eldering and I dreamed that we found it lamo

[plucky cosmos]

any hints from the ether?

[dawn pelican]

I dreamed about the eon theory. There were blue little light particles coming from the ceiling of a ledge lol and that's what you gotta find

[stuck minnow]

I've only been reading this thread the past couple of days. But I also had a dream last night about eldering 😂

Mine was related to nesting somehow, I don't remember how tho

[dawn pier]

Yall need therapy

[stuck minnow]

Naaah, we need eldering unlocked

[dawn pelican]

Yes

[dense current]

ill get therapy when we find out how to elder

[hybrid wave]

SS has a tic rate of 1.2 right? I have 1.3 somehow, it was my first passive tic, before I started any testing.

[plucky cosmos]

the exact number looks to be 1.26, which causes the display to round it up to 1.3

nvm, that's not the right number

no, its supposed to be 1.2

hold on, there's an inconsistency now

what were you doing before your tick came?

[hybrid wave]

the only special thing I recal doing was growing without logging

[plucky cosmos]

hmmm

needs more testing in that case

[hybrid wave]

ah, i also didn't assign my points until I was nearly adult, (I put them in social). At one point I visited a snowy mountain, layed down for a while then flew through the clouds for a bit, and reached adult while flying through the clouds as well, I'm remembering now

[plucky cosmos]

i wish other peeps were online, i dont have the braains to go through all the factors again

ok, maybe holding off on mutation points does something, dont remember anyone mentioning that

maybe you have to line up specific actions when the passive tick comes up?

[hybrid wave]

next time I get nested, I'll wait to assign my points again

perhaps?

[plucky cosmos]

but that wouldnt work for asds, the flying part i mean

[hybrid wave]

right

[plucky cosmos]

still, best try it anyway, i already got all my ticks on my main server unfortunately, so maybe others can test this when people are awake

[last minnow]

this is horrible, we are all having dreams about eldering😭

one day someones dream will actually reveal it at this point istg

[rapid radish]

the exact number is 1.25-1.26%´, check the pinned doc ^^

[dense current]

real, someone is gonna dream the method before we discover it

[rapid radish]

I haven't read all, but Zalastus tried everything with the bugs.

I'm still waiting more data on ASD, to determine the exact decimals for it's passives, but IR & FS is 0.917% and SS is 1.25%-1.26% ^^

[dense current]

p sure i have 5 elder ticks as asd and im at 10.4% growth

[rapid radish]

ty! ^^

[dense current]

np! ^^

[rapid radish]

do you have the exact tick that the game shows by any chance? ^^

*ticks

I know it starts with 2.1

[dense current]

this is what it shows rn, im due for another tick very soon will update when i get that

[rapid radish]

oh, I just wanted the "journey" to this number :p Like SS is 1.3-2.5-3.8-5.0 etc ^^

[dense current]

ahhhh yeah i didn't fully keep track of that Dx

i wanna say my second tick was 4.2 though

not 100% sure though

[rapid radish]

I think that's correct, I have heard that before 🙂

but I'd appreciate if you tell me your next 2 ticks, if you remember, just DM me ^^

[dense current]

ill make a note to dm you when they happen

[deft patrol]

Gonna repeat what I wrote about the theory of upstating:

#1209681807746801724 message

[native yacht]

who is wiscka?

[rapid radish]

I still think it's in, but disabled xD

[mild smelt]

wiscka is one of the moderators

[rapid radish]

mods only know what they have been told by the dev team.

[native yacht]

anyone noticed the new orange/yellow scent when sniffing?

[cosmic river]

we do play the game

sometimes

isnt orange/yellow scent a nest nearby

[pearl root]

It comes from bleeding bugs

[native yacht]

wait WHAT!

from a bug bleeding

[pearl root]

The Orange one and the Yellow one is the Nest

[native yacht]

didnt it locate other dragons?

[cosmic river]

ooh thats a nice change

but lets please remain on topic in this thread, its about eldering after all

[native yacht]

that is on topic?

im the lead investigator for eldering

COME ON

[pearl root]

There you see it 🙂 its just a bug..no new hint for eldering sadly ^^

[native yacht]

mhmm ive seen it point to players before...could of had bugs behind them

oh well

no progress today

calling it for the night

[rapid radish]

Well I hope so 😄 But you get your info about the game from the devs, like is the new eldering system in or not or is a dragon coming out soon or not.

[pearl root]

I'm starting to get the feeling that the Elder thing is just there to keep PVE players busy. So that the dev has enough time to fix things in the background. And at some point the real Elder system will be secretly introduced. ^^

It's just strange that no one has found even a clue.

[dense current]

yeah fr

[mild smelt]

I mean, we've got many players looking for it since the update, about 100-200, if not more. It's strange that none of them have found it yet.

[rapid radish]

But hey, at least we have our daily princess ;p

[mild smelt]

Haha, we're doomed to not be able to elder for ages, just over time. Oh man!

[acoustic holly]

Yeah seeing nest, dead something (bug probably or could be dragon) water, shrooms. All the variations except the live prey nearby.

But I hoped when people said orange scent that it meant something to follow for eldering, not variations to colors that have been in the game since beta.

[mild smelt]

I still stick to the A Bloodline A stat theory. The good thing is, yesterday we had our third dragon without E stats in the upstate. With luck, we might be able to banish the D's on ours this week.

[turbid copper]

if it would be that, then why do we get ticks on any dragon?

[mild smelt]

Because there are two elder methods: one that is unlocked through passive ticks once the adult status is reached, and the other method that is supposed to be active or grindable, which we are trying to figure out here.

[stable comet]

I don't think it's reallll i think we're all going crazy lol

[turbid copper]

still doesn't make sense but alright

[stable comet]

I think it's an experiment to see how they can make people crazy the fastest lollll

[turbid copper]

lmao

[mild smelt]

Yes, that's the prevailing opinion now, which unfortunately is also creeping in with me more and more.

[stable comet]

Cause everyone has done EVERYTHING

Even upstatting seems harder now

Even 0Es are still nesting in babies that have Es

[mild smelt]

What exactly doesn't make sense to you about it?

[turbid copper]

the thing with the stats and ticks

[stuck minnow]

That's thanks to the recessive E's that we can't see since no one can elder .-.

Just gotta roll...and roll...and roll...

[turbid copper]

ppl should be able to elder whatever they want, especially on pvp

[mild smelt]

The upstate is now more associated with luck and gambling until we can see the recessive genes.

[mild smelt]

Who says that it has to be like that? The devs wanted fewer elders or to make it harder.

[stable comet]

I think they wanted to artificially extend playtime

[turbid copper]

Where did they say they wanted fewer?

[mild smelt]

Rhino said that in a stream, mentioning there were too many elders around, making it less special.

[turbid copper]

yeah because the method was wrong

[stuck minnow]

I mean...if your game has 2 years between updates....there are gonna be a lot of elders. Esp on PvE servers LOL

[turbid copper]

yeah also that, on pve there will always be more elders, cuz they don't die

[stuck minnow]

Well there's also nothing else to do after reaching A stats, eldering is the only other activity besides nesting

[stable comet]

It's gotta be artificial playtime extension

[mild smelt]

Yes, but if that's the case, this entire thread wouldn't make sense.

[stable comet]

You gotta think about it

Its could be too fake hope

[mild smelt]

I don't need to think about it, the statement is there is a second method to elder, not just the ticks. If that's your opinion that there's only one, then what are you doing here?

[sweet flicker]

I'm curious how many messages and how many hours people have spent trying to figure this out...if this ends up being a big joke, and it's just not even in the game yet, I feel like many people will be angry x)

[plucky cosmos]

in just this thread, it looks like 21,686 messages

[stuck minnow]

If they come out to say it's not active/implemented or not finished despite saying it was. I will prolly stop playing this game that I love .-.

[sweet flicker]

Yeah same, just disappointing to not be able to trust them

[mild smelt]

Let's hope it doesn't come to that. I know several who have already stopped playing the game because they're extremely upset about the whole delay drama, and then adding a mechanic that's supposedly in there but saying "you have to figure it out" – I'm afraid if that turns out to be a joke or a lie to buy time, they'll lose some players.

[red musk]

"oops, a step was bugged since release and we didn't notice. Sorry about that we fixed it now. Have fun testing everything again" xd

[pearl root]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-get-a-bad-grade-stoned-spongebob-gif-15458154

[dense current]

i will cry 😭

[lone gulch]

Alot of the players on our server don't even bother to find it anymore

They concentrate on BL and stats instead

while pvping ofc but

what if you actually have to reach A BL with A stats to have it enabled

that would be rough

[stable comet]

Wdym

Learn how to take a joke

I know there's a way to elder but everyone has tried absolutely everything

[mild smelt]

Yes, I know, I was there. Making jokes at this point unfortunately isn't funny anymore.

[stable comet]

It's just not funny to you

[fierce violet]

Have the devs said anything else?

[mild smelt]

Likely, I'm not alone in that sentiment, and even if I am, it's my opinion. I didn't attack you, did I?

[mild smelt]

Unfortunately, no news, Crystal.

[sage cape]

[fierce violet]

This is wild

[mild smelt]

It unfortunately remains trial and error, but more error than trial.

[fierce violet]

Did the devs say they made an error or was that just speculation?

[stable comet]

actually you directly @ me

[mild smelt]

No, no, we've only tried, and unfortunately, there's nothing new to report except that it still hasn't been found.

[stuck minnow]

We are lamenting in worst case scenario is all

[fierce violet]

Ah I see. Thank you for the clarification! Can’t keep with with this chat 🥴

[fierce violet]

Can you imagine if they said something like that…. I’d just go and die in a hole

[mild smelt]

Yes, because I was referring to your message, but I never insulted or attacked you in any way.

[stable comet]

I never said you attacked me I just said for some reason you can't take a joke idk why

You decided to ruin the joke though so idrc anymore

[mild smelt]

I just wish that one of the devs would make a statement to clarify things. That way, we'd have a clear indication that it's active and in the game, which would calm things down. And if we're lucky, maybe even another hint.

[stable comet]

They already did

If you looked through this thread

And we probably aren't getting another hint

they said a while ago that maybe if we're lucky they

they'll* tell us in a few months

but who knows

[mild smelt]

I'm aware of the current hints; that's the problem. The opinion is spreading that it's in the game, but like the weather system, not active. Not to mention that no one has still figured it out.

The mention of "a few months" is somewhat strange, given that it was stated if we don't figure it out by the next update, the system will be changed (for whatever reason one would want to restart this madness).

[snow furnace]

they are not taking us seriously, trying to fool us with these statements while there is no system in the game at all

[frail salmon]

There is no system atm for elder besides passive ticks. Jao said that he would make it easier for us to reach elder if we didn’t find how to do it because he hasn’t added it besides passive ticks.

[stray notch]

it is on topic

[stray notch]

its not the smell of the bug, its the smell of blood

[pearl root]

ye ^^

It's not the smell of an elder mechanic, that's what it's about

[hallow mountain]

Oo I would love that

[hallow mountain]

So I'm not the only one who's dreams are being invaded by dod

I had a dream about an orange line, just like when you scent for food, but it was orange

[restive barn]

isnt this the red scent tho? ive smelled orange scents in places no bugs exists

[mild smelt]

Where did you get this information? The moderators have consistently stated that there is indeed another method besides the passive elder system, and even Jao's hints don't come out of nowhere.

[restive barn]

if it was bleeding bug there would be a lot of orange scents in arch pond

[restive barn]

jao literally said it exists in the QnA stream

twice, i think

[jolly topaz]

anyone tried to look under the map?

[frail salmon]

It could be added but it may not be activated

[mild smelt]

That wasn't the question at that point, but rather where you got the information to make such a claim.

[dusk ravine]

The elder sys Jake's makes me think the cake is a lie.

[keen spire]

This is the nest smell - orange

[dawn pelican]

isnt nest yellow tho?

[keen spire]

Its orange, always be. The same as in Legacy

[restive barn]

the one in picture is red, not orange.

they called it bug scent

thats what im referring o

to

[dawn pelican]

im pretty sure its yellow

and always has been

[restive barn]

yellow is also nest scent

[dawn pelican]

there is no orange scent, or at least i have never seen one

[restive barn]

there is

[dawn pelican]

what is it?

[restive barn]

no idea, i followed it but nothing came up

[keen spire]

Well, this is one of the shades of yellow-orange. I think everyone sees it differently)

[dawn pelican]

i think someone said its bleeding

[restive barn]

its not bleeding

[dawn pelican]

hm weird

[restive barn]

thats what im saying

[dawn pelican]

maybe someone mistook it for red or yellow?

[restive barn]

they mistook it as red

the picture shows the red scent, not orange

[dawn pelican]

i have a hard time distinguishing orange from red too sometimes lol

[keen spire]

If u see red - u smell the dead buggo\ dragon

[restive barn]

pretty sure orange is also nest

i dont know whys theres two different scent colors for it but yeah

[keen spire]

They emit a red smell immediately after death. They'd already been eaten by then, rest assured, so yeah, you're unlikely to find a carcass

[naive oxide]

lmao my asd is at 20% elder. at this point it’s gonna reach full elder before we figure it out

[soft ether]

Which one tho?

[restive barn]

recent qna stream, they did the stream on discord so i dont have any video of it

[turbid storm]

Lol, same

[deft spruce]

i tried, doesnt work

[stray notch]

anything new? :\

[mild smelt]

nop

[naive oxide]

what if we have to passive elder one dragon before “active” eldering is unlocked?

could unlock it for the whole account just like they did with melanistic

[bleak python]

Maybe, but I kinda doubt it

That doesn’t seem “cool” like Jao described

[keen spire]

Hmm grass textures, rocks, looks like hidden cave. Or mb this is nothing interesting..

Its inside waterfall rock next to the BR

May be it have a pass under water

Is that way.. maybe

[jolly topaz]

i dont think its a cave or anything like that personally

people have been under the map and things

and havent found anything

keep going tho

see what happens

[bleak python]

The amount of times I’ve smacked into the waterfalls at different spots going with the rule “there’s always a cave behind a water fall” has not prevailed.

[keen spire]

Yeah.. sadly

But do you remember before the release there was a cave in the rock with a portal? What if it was moved somewhere?

[bleak python]

All the caves have been checked and no one’s found anything

And that would be pretty camp-able if there was a portal

[remote meteor]

not if the portal was a rando spawn

[gloomy sand]

Just an fyi, the mods and admins do not know how to elder

maybe the seniors who are getting paid do

But the regular staff do not. So when they insist that yes, it is in the game, they are just repeating what they’re being told. They don’t technically know for sure either.

[cold summit]

There is, saw it most likely in pvp servers. 100% sure, cause I sniffed both red and orange at the same time (no nests nor adults around, just hatchlings killing each others).

I thiiiiiink I saw it only once in PvE, makes me think it has to do with hatchlings dying to bugs or bugs bleeding

[mellow dawn]

Do you remember where?

[pulsar swift]

I've had varying degrees of orange to very red orange that point me towards bleeding/wounded hatchies

Very common on pvp servers, at all spawns and pools around the map

Cant say for adult/juvies tho but I figure they'd have the same effect

[cold summit]

I get red scent for wounded hatchlings (saw one leading to a hatchlings ss who was cloaking beside me)

[mellow dawn]

I think at one time the same marker for best used to be for clues too

[restive barn]

i got the orange scent once but couldnt find anything

[cold summit]

Probably one of the elder forest spawns, as soon as update was up. So many hatchlings were killing each others or dying to bugs, many hatchling corpses left behind

[restive barn]

it could be related to hatchling

but i doubt its related to bugs bleeding or whatever

even wounded bugs still has the purple scent

[cold summit]

I havent been able to see it anymore on an empty spawn (with 2-3 hatchlings, pvp)

[restive barn]

why dont they just give the info for what scents leads to LOL

[cold summit]

I wonder if it's actual bleeding (little red scratch icon bottom right), are hatchlings even able to cause that

but then doesnt solve the fact i (miiiight) have seen it in pve

(I could have accidentally joined a pvp server instead)

[restive barn]

I saw mine

in pve

sanctuary server

so it does exists in pve

[slender arrow]

The only way to elder is with the passive ticks the “ dev doesn’t have the coding capabilities to add something unique , he can’t even fix the current game after 2 years hitbox is horrendous , dysc happens to everyone all the time ,Clint side is bad dragon blows fire 🔥 your 20 miles away you burn but on there screen your in there face ….even the food they still havnt added more food ,it’s impossible to takeoff with out crashing on the ground issues that have been in the game since beta so if all these things are still in issue what makes you guys think there actual new way to elder lol 😂 everyone in there mother has tried everything and nothing just accept that the only way to elder is with passive ticks and let’s move on

[stray notch]

i saw a cave under the map. far down in there that had NO way in other than admin command

im burning from the isnide to just go see it but i can only look at it from afar...

@minor hinge how's ur ASD going with elder growth

[acoustic holly]

Where’s it located? I could prolly throw someone down there as an experiment.

[pulsar swift]

Maybe we should yeet babies into the void

maybe that is it

[acoustic holly]

But yes, I think you all should leave the different scents alone. As I discovered with my friend, depending on your graphics card and monitor, it can change the look of colors (distinctly blue to one person is very purple to another, etc.)

[jolly topaz]

where abouts?

[prisma mirage]

I completely agree. I personally have given up on this project since I no longer believe it's actually in game besides elder ticks. If it is, then I feel like it is bugged. It's baffling that no one has figured it out, even on pve servers (when pve figured it out less than 2 days in legacy with the shrooms and we are working with just about the same amount of content, if not less than what we had in legacy). However, don't yuck someone else's yum . Some folks still have hope into figuring it out and to be honest, good on them. They have more patience than I do. Allow them to enjoy themselves. I'm always looking forward to be proven wrong and shown that's it is in fact there.

[stray notch]

yk that mountian west to paradise , the snowy top, u mut go to the cliff East side of it and look through the cliff to see it right under u (probably under the snowy mountain its self)
my observations were that the shape of the overall model seemed like arch cave, maybe a copy of it or a whole other one, but PUT IN MIND that cave was so f**ing deep down there like the length of 5 paradise trees

[stray notch]

@jolly topaz

[keen basin]

i gave up when jao gave his 2 hints which were. "you have to climb the first step before the ladder" and "its end game"

ill just sit here and passive grow till i get elder

[cinder musk]

I think it all has to do with getting dragons to flat A's then it unlocks. First step its the hatching process the ladder is getting to A's and its end game because the last step is elder and A+'s

[prisma mirage]

If that is the case, he need to fix the stat/nesting issue. Parrot mentioned it'll be looked at but there will be no way of figuring that out with how nesting is right now by the next update. And to note, he said he would change it if we can't figure it out by the next update. Making it impossible.

[celest knoll]

what nesting/stat issue? o-O

[heavy ridge]

Making it 'I realize this was too hard but I don't want to devalue your efforts as a community by just telling you'

I'll tell you as someone who both plays and dms D&D, people will get stuck trying to push a pull door. Legitimately, my own table spent 2 hours on a staircase puzzle, the solution was "use the stairs while wanting a location". We kept barking up the wrong trees for hours.

The more levels of complexity, even in the simplest, MOST OBVIOUS puzzles, the harder it's going to be to put it together and most people Do Not realize that.

Take the mela unlock for example. The origional conditions (it has changed since) were grow to adult in one session as a nested Iconic. People got it on accident. They narrowed down that it had something to do with growing an Iconic. Some of them were convinced that it had to be in one session. But people couldnt replicate it. It took 3 months and Jao spilling the beans for it to come together that it was nested iconics, specifically.

Puzzles like this are hard, and in times of internet guides and games that have been out for years, people forget that.

[deep cargo]

When does the music start playing? Is it when you get super high?

[sterile isle]

How do you see your Elder stats? I was just running down the big maintain as ASD adult and I got a message saying "you feel stronger"

Idk if that means anything

[deep cargo]

Maybe the first step isn't about your own dragon. Maybe it's helping the newer generation as an elder would. Has anyone tried dropping a hatchie of their own species from a high point? (where the music starts playing) ASD would of course be different.

[wooden marsh]

well it's simple, first step is be adult. Then we can climb the elder ladder.

no need to complicate things more than they need to be

[heavy ridge]

That is an elder growth message. You can see your elder growth in the character menu. There are passive ticks earnable every 12 hours from logins.

You're not the first person to report a tick descending at high speeds near a mountain. How long did it take between your login and getting that message?

[wooden marsh]

I call BS, that moderator was told to give that response. There isn't active eldering.

[heavy ridge]

Fun fact for the chat. The high-altitude music's name is "First Flight" this is in reference to the lore that a dragon will take it's hatchlings to high altitude soon after they are born and drop them for their "first flight" the lore post references that each dragon's traditions are slightly different.

[heavy ridge]

Moral is low enough, there is no point in calling the devs lairs because you're frustrated, take it somewhere else please.

[deep cargo]

I'm not home right now, so I can't test that theory:)

[wooden marsh]

I'm not frustrated & don't assume I'm upset because I typed something true.

[stable comet]

Bro if they add those stupid mushrooms back next update

I hope that's not what they change it to

[heavy ridge]

My dude. Your opinion that the devs/staff are lying to you, is by no definition something that can be called "fact" or "truth" take it elsewhere

[turbid copper]

they won't

[stable comet]

How do you know though

[turbid copper]

Cuz that's why it was changed in the first place, cuz it was toxic, and competitive

and camped a lot

[stable comet]

Btw the fact theyre calling out is that every time the question is asked it's the same response

[heavy ridge]

Jao said he doesn't like how un dragonish the mushrooms are, he cited it as a main reason it was changed

[stable comet]

Yeah but how it wouldn't matter if nobody can figure out the eldering

[wooden marsh]

we can't figure it out because it's not in game yet

[stable comet]

All theyd have to do to put those mushrooms in is spot them around random spots and readd the code from it

[wooden marsh]

untill it's shown to be in game I refuse to believe it is.

[stable comet]

So if they change eldering that's prob the easiest

[turbid copper]

Nope, we aren't going back to those

[stable comet]

But you don't know

[turbid copper]

and personally i don't think it will be changed, probably they will tell us

[stable comet]

Nobody knows for sure

[stable comet]

They said it would

[ashen turtle]

dont know either

[heavy ridge]

We're trying to figure it out, and you're welcome to your opinion.
I'm asking you to take your moral-dropping opinion out of this chat. If you wanna complain, that's off topic

[turbid copper]

Everyone knows it, cuz that's why the system got changed, it wasn't good, it's logically, why would you go back to something that ain't good

[stable comet]

They're just saying what a lot of people are thinking at this point

[wooden marsh]

dude just drop it OK accept that you're going to read things you don't agree with.

[stable comet]

Yeah but if they need to quickly change it it's the quickest way and we honestly don't know if they'd bring shrooms back

They might just do it for familiarity

[heavy ridge]

Then why are you in this chat bro?

[stable comet]

Chill out

[turbid copper]

It's not the quickest way, cuz we don't know when the update is gonna be

[wooden marsh]

Dude can't drop it can ya, I've been in here since the start of the thread.

[stable comet]

Exactly we don't know when the next update is

If it's soon it'll have to be something soon

[turbid copper]

if it's soon, then i don't think the system will be changed, and they will just tell us

[stable comet]

They said they'd change it

[turbid copper]

I know, lol, but i don't think it's true

[stable comet]

Also gremlin is typing a full book

[wooden marsh]

yeah if no-one finds out by X update it'll be changed

and so far it's so well hidden that we're not finding anything

[heavy ridge]

So have I. But the rest of us are trying to figure it out in this figure-it-out thread. I've seen person after person leave each time someone starts on about thinking the staff is lying about if the system is in. You want to say it? Sure go ahead. just do it somewhere it's not going to disenhearten the people in this thread

[stable comet]

Lol they said before I remember near the beginning that maybe just maybe if we're lucky we'll know in a few months

[stable comet]

Bro take your paragraph somewhere else stay on topic

[wooden marsh]

well Gremlin have you not seen that I to am trying to figure it out?

[turbid copper]

In the last Q&A i heard weeks, not months but okay

[wooden marsh]

damn dude won't leave me alone lol

[stable comet]

I heard months near the beginning of this thread lol

I don't remember if it was in general or this thread though

[turbid copper]

That's what i heard in the Q&A

[stable comet]

I think it was general before they made it

Btw gremlin

Before you say anything

Stay on topic

[deep cargo]

Last big thing I would try is to nest, have a hatchling, and then fly them up to when the music starts playing and drop them. If anyone could test that out I would be grateful

[compact kindle]

Ive done that

[turbid copper]

Already tested i believe

[deep cargo]

Darn it

[fading canyon]

What would be the Asd equivalent of that

[cosmic river]

bottom of lake

[stuck minnow]

Logged into my IR on Sanctuary today. Got my first elder tick, it was 1.8% 👀 either I have amnesia from these past few days of rolling. Or something happened and I don't remember what

[heavy ridge]

We've had a few people report elder ticks decending at high speeds, but so far it looks like those are passive ticks

[deep cargo]

@fading canyon Ooh can you swim with a hatchie in your mouth?

[stable comet]

Yo?

Is that a hint

[stuck minnow]

Prolly not

[cosmic river]

no, im throwing in ideas

[stable comet]

Hmmmmm likely story

[wooden marsh]

I've dived from above the clouds loads of times & never had a elder tick from it

[fading canyon]

True, but i feel like eldering isnt going to be super different between species, if not just the exact same method

[stable comet]

Everyone INVESTIGATE THE LAKE

[slender arrow]

I tried swimming the swamp Lake. And nothing happen for like 2 hours lol 😂 since no on go there I was like hey shot in the dark

[wooden marsh]

easy, hover above it as Bio & use NV

see everything under the water

[slender arrow]

I even did it when my ASD was 25 % elder

I was like maybe we have to wait for the 25% tick

[cosmic river]

thats not the point, try reaching the bottom with a hatch in your mouth

[slender arrow]

Well my clan was fighting I was swimming around a lake lol 😂

[cosmic river]

try different lakes

idk

[stuck minnow]

Just gotta get a high enough jump off a rock! Lol

[cosmic river]

cannonball

[wooden marsh]

ah ok so not looking for anything specific

[stuck minnow]

Quick! Someone jump off top of waterfall with a hatchi! (And make sure to land in water below) Report back! XP

[stable comet]

Asd hatchling

[wooden marsh]

yeah has to be asd because it's the only one that can dive in water

[deep cargo]

@compact kindle When you flew up with a hatchie. Was that hatchie nested in by you?

[compact kindle]

Yes

[deep cargo]

Are you sure? The Mrs dragon could've been...ya know arooound

[compact kindle]

I was the Mrs

[deep cargo]

Looool okay thanks for clarifying

[stray notch]

hold on guys, now look at this

[mild smelt]

lol wtf

[celest knoll]

what?
a dragon that is not playable yet?

[stray notch]

yes, me and the HUGE brood watcher

[cold summit]

hey guys, jao did say "Endgame". Maybe it is something related to 18A (which is kinda dumb, thats why he wants to change it?), and nobody has reached it yet

grindy? yes. soloable? If you get nested. social? if you do the upstatting yourself

[stray notch]

now look at this lol.

im in love.

[pliant ice]

What server is this?

[stray notch]

molten mountain, a dev came over today and showed us the new dragons

[pliant ice]

Oo nice!

[stray notch]

hold on let me show u how HUGE nurse dragon is

[muted moat]

He’s a pretty boiii

[stray notch]

ah, it was so majestic that i forgot to record lmao

[tame crest]

I love how he's utterly untextured.

[stray notch]

but trust me, with its wings out... it was as WIDE as river log

and u just imagine it...

[muted moat]

Sheesh

I mean she’s gotta be big cuz of the babies

[stray notch]

hold on, it was even wider?!

idk where but i seen someone saying its a class 7 (2 classes higher than FS)

[muted moat]

Heh

[summer arch]

I thought it was 6

[heavy ridge]

BW has a wingspan of over 115 feet. She's big

[stray notch]

i mean it would make sense if it was rly class 7
like holy sh** look how big it is

[sterile isle]

Hi wdym specifically by login?

[stray notch]

i saw that with my own eyes today, i was at river log and nurse was flying next to the rock in the open field down stream, i can swear it blocked the whole view to river end rock

[muted moat]

Yk understandable lol

[gilded jewel]

how to get elder? just drown your child 👌

[heavy ridge]

You can get 1 passive tick every 12 hours, but you need to login before you can get another one. Like a login bonus

[sterile isle]

Okay I'm not sure when I logged in specifically

I got 2.1% growth tho

And I don't have any growth on my other dragons that ik of

[heavy ridge]

Okay. Do you know when your ASD got to adulthood? Was it a few days ago?

[heavy ridge]

Just gonna... mark this real quick... just in case.

[sterile isle]

I got to adulthood yesterday but this is the first time I've logged in as ASD since

Wait no not yesterday the day before

[heavy ridge]

As best as you can remember, what did you do on your ASD today

[sterile isle]

Okay I literally logged into my asd which I left sitting on top of the maintain I started descending down and I got the message that's literally it

[heavy ridge]

2.1% seems really big for a passive tick, but if that's all you did it's probably that then.

[sterile isle]

Shamee

[heavy ridge]

Just for science, what other adults dragons do you have on that server?

[sterile isle]

I have a Bio SS and IR

It's US Sanctuary

[heavy ridge]

Alright, thank you for your input 💕

[sterile isle]

Your welcome, if I get any more ticks I'll lyk

[lost lichen]

it's just with passive ticks? or u keep the secret^^

[minor hinge]

That all elder tick

[pulsar swift]

2.1% is the passive tick for ASDs. 0.9% for FS/IR, 1.2/1.3% for SS etc

[lost lichen]

damn GG^^

[minor hinge]

It my frist dragon i start out whit this is why i keep it

off first roll

[wide canopy]

I got 7growth elder prog within first grow on asd (no daily login) via doing subconcious pvp stuff

[novel oak]

i just got 0.9 for IR when i logged in, now i feel ripped off

[dusk ravine]

Yes IR/FS grow slower .9 per tick

ASD 2.1 SS i think is 1.4

[pulsar swift]

SS 1.3 on 1st, 2.5 on 2nd so there's some missing decimals

[dusk ravine]

TY

[dapper shard]

so did we figure out how to elder yet?

[turbid copper]

No

[novel oak]

any new info?

[tardy perch]

Not yet. If anyone knows anything they are being tight-lipped about it

[native yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/tantrum-gif-12615339064861248159

[gloomy sand]

Sir, the Geneva convention prohibits waterboarding

Again, I can’t stress this enough, mods and admins don’t know how to do it. Asking them for hints is a waste of time, y’all.