New Elder System

[fast geyser]

I know just wanted to say what he wrote since many wanted to know what the old eldering was after he changed
Never sayed it will help us

[tame crest]

I don't mind if its complex I just want it to be, yknow, interesting.

[naive oxide]

kinda sad that they're changing it but also its actually insane that we have spent weeks and hours trying to figure it out without even remotely getting a good clue about what the answer is. how did they expect your average player to do it by themselves if its impossible even with EVERYONE in this chat working together to find the answer

[sly cedar]

Who was it that said it may be something that sounded good on paper but not in practice? -_-

[pulsar swift]

Fiancé's got a crystal necklace, I asked her the same thing

[tame crest]

[fast geyser]

Either that or super simple so easy noone of us thought about it

[naive oxide]

i dont want it to be super easy tbh

i want to work for it but not so hard to get that it feels impossible

[bleak python]

well its likely that its easy to do but TAKES FOREVER cause grindy

[fast geyser]

Maybe its not hard but super spezific

[sly cedar]

We have analyzed all current game mechanics... that I'm aware of anyway.... taken note of every object that can be interacted with in the game. Considered the lore of the world the game is set in even with the limited resources and work done to it... what did we miss? Lol what did we NOT consider in regards to this game? XD

[deft patrol]

That Jao might have fooled us.... And the only way to elder atm is passively.

[pulsar swift]

It has to be a sequence of specific things but I feel like we touched all the cool stuff

[naive oxide]

there's not many things that 'stick out' either

[sly cedar]

The only real reason it would take forever is if there was a cooldown on something. I personally HATE it when game force me to stope and wait.... like cooldown timers on dungeons.... im an adult. I can control and manage my own time. Let me play the game I purchased or whatever. How dare you lock me from content I KNOW I can do... 😠

[naive oxide]

only thing ive found was the cool throne lookin thing but you hit a map wall before you can reach it

[bleak python]

this is all just propaganda for jao to get ideas on how to make elder fun and non-campable fr

[naive oxide]

honestly

[carmine belfry]

I know what youre talkin gabout

[sly cedar]

He doesn't need us for that... I learned multiple interesting ways to introduce secrets and lore from... other games lol. Context clues.

[bleak python]

idk like i said early on he's full of references ; so its probably a reference to something and thats why we haven't figured it out yet

[naive oxide]

it reminds me of a skyrim word of power wall tbh

[sly cedar]

😭 but those are significantly big to the player and they have clear audible cues lol. I get it but... GAHHHHH lolol

You could be in the next room beyond a wall.and you'd hear it. Instantly you're like, "WHERE IS IT!??!!" as you make your way through that dungeon searching for the next door hopefully leading to it.

[sly cedar]

All right then..... one you guys go ask him soem of his favorite games of all time that he's played and enjoyed. Scour his mind. Lolol maybe one of those past games' mechanics and secrets seeped into this one. 🤣

[fast geyser]

Im already intrested in the aproach them when he says tetris xD

[sly cedar]

So he likes Tetris? XD

[fast geyser]

Idk was just a guess and my mind went like we would need to try stacking corpses then xD

[sly cedar]

Shift gears yall. Learn everything about Jao. What he thinks. All his interests. His favorite cake. Everything.

[tame crest]

I know two games that he plays

Or at least played.

SWG being the obvious, but also City of Heroes and I know this because during one of those Q&As I saw the launcher for the same City of Heroes server I play on when he flashed his desktop.

[sly cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/mmhmm-cats-gif-24596127

[bleak python]

Study session time.

Learn all you can about those games, gamer.

Then share with the class.

[sly cedar]

Why did you instantly jump to stacking dead bodies?

[bleak python]

[bleak python]

What else would you stack?

[sly cedar]

.... I mean I guess my answer is weird too I was thinking stacking eggs... if we could move them that is... xD I forgot about the scrab bodies and went straight for dragon bodies... still disturbing. Lol

Yes. Stacking the dead bodies. Truly something.... more dragony.

[bleak python]

I mean its not like we have anything we can hoard atm

[sly cedar]

We can't even hoard pearls if we wanted to when they come out. I'm fairly certain they depawn after a time to save resources. Lol

That would have been one pretty pile though

[hallow mountain]

My eye starts twitching every time I think about the eldering system

[sly cedar]

Low key I was hoping he'd say OG Spyro games as references lol. Those had some clever puzzles and hidden secrets for a kids game. And ofc dragons.

[deft patrol]

What about you have to do something as juvi that it unlocks eldering once you are an adult....

[sly cedar]

Given each class of dragons has different growth times that can be long or short... idk that seems like a weird window of opportunity that can be wrecked if you forget while you're enjoying the rest of the game...

[tardy perch]

If the devs were smart (which Jao seems to be a clever person), they would make the method acheivable by all types of eldering dragons, even ones that can't fly. And I strongly beleive it can start being done once you are adult, not partway through it.

If he's changing it though I guess we'll now need to wait and see XD

[sly cedar]

I never said the man wasn't clever......... but I think thr method to getting the average player to notice and start it right might be a little... maybe too obscure than it should be? Lol

[rough root]

That would be IsoMasu!

[tardy perch]

Didn't say you called him that silly =P But it was like this with mela too. The unlock method was obscure until we were told what to do. Then unlocking mela was easy. I don't think it's bad that it's taking a while to discover. What matters most to me is the method itself, whenever we do discover it

[rough root]

Oh it was answeree nvm. Brain mush

Difficult to elder once you know how to do it. In my head? Because by that point you already are lol

[sly cedar]

Tbf I had no idea mela was unlockable.... I had actually discovered it by accident waay back when I started and was nested... I grew and everything, but I had no idea that was what did it. Then I read the spoiler threads and saw it and was like oh.... skins can be UNLOCKED??? lol

[gloomy sand]

-_- I'm sorry what

[limber valve]

huh?

[gloomy sand]

Sorry, the screenshot, I just -

[limber valve]

Oh yeah LOL

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/eye-twitch-gif-21566093

[rough root]

Saving it

[limber valve]

Yeah no, I'm set in stone that the eldering system isn't implemented. It legit makes 0 sense to change a WHOLE mechanic, instead of just giving a hint. Makes absolutely sero sense to me. That screenshot just further imbeds it into me.

[sly cedar]

Also, I understand a tough puzzle taking time to solve... but also, if he kinda gave us a deadline to figure it out and will change it if we don't by then? ...... sorry we're dumb????? What?? Lol

[gloomy sand]

here's the thing. They could just tell us how or give us a clearer hint. Saying you're going to change it makes me feel like it's not in the game at all, and so when the "changed" version comes out in 1.0.1 it's actually the first time it's being implemented, and no one can prove otherwise because no one can prove it wasn't in the game before.

[limber valve]

I've said before that I would be more than happy to swallow my words and I hope I'm wrong, but why change a whole system if its actually in?

[gloomy sand]

yeah

i just repeated what yall said lol

[limber valve]

This is wnat ive been saying the whole time lmao

[gloomy sand]

I didn't want to believe that but we have no evidence to the contrary

[deft patrol]

that's what I call darkness xD

highest point lol

[gloomy sand]

and given that everything else in this game took eons to work on, had bugs, etc etc but this one thing is supposedly in the game on time and bug free and functional right from the get go... is not on brand

[limber valve]

Nothing hes said or done has instilled confidence that its actually implemented. And with so much being delayed, or not even implemented. We have half working skins, how would we have an entire eldering mechanic?

[gloomy sand]

get out of my head lol

[sly cedar]

ADVANCED DARKNESS

[gloomy sand]

I really hate to be a naysayer, truly I do. I love this game.

[limber valve]

Everyone here has tried what feels like everything, theres over 8k messages, and not a single step closer to figuring it out? Nah lol somethings not adding up

[gloomy sand]

not even the admins have been told how to do it

[limber valve]

Same! I want to be proven wrong so bad, but like.. I don't know.

[rough root]

At least Jao also said that he'd let us know what the old system was when he changes it.

But I swear. If we have to go through all of this again with nothing 😭

[gloomy sand]

changing it also scraps everything we've already tested

and we may get confused with what we have or haven't tested already

[rough root]

I'll be creating a whole new document with a darn list to go through I swear.

[limber valve]

I mean, yeah he said that, but its also easy to just come up with some kind of idea to cover it not actually being implemented. I'll believe him if he gives actual proof of what the "old" eldering was if he changes it.

[rough root]

They're doing what they can, workwise. So I'm crossing my fingers.

[limber valve]

But like I said before, I'd more than happy to eat my words and be wrong. I'll still keep trying to figure it out, but I'm skeptical.

[deft patrol]

I think I'm gonna stick to my believe, that they only way to elder right now is passive tick, no matter what.
Reason:

• There are no actual mechanics yet which could provide it.

It can't be camped and it can be done solo...

[gloomy sand]

AND MAY I SAY regardless of whether or not the system is the game, we are still waiting on the blitz, the nurse, weather, etc etc so why sidetrack to reworking something that is allegedly in the game already AND functional

[sly cedar]

Well for that, could we just make another thread and call it Eldering 2.0? Lol and make another pinned document? 😅

[rough root]

I have to ask, where was the proof that it cannot be camped and can be done solo? Where did Jao say it?

[deft patrol]

well good luck guys, I will stop now with this. ^^ I'm out of ideas.

[robust crypt]

Speaking of weather... It was cool to experience in Sanctuary when Jao was on earlier

[rough root]

Oh lovely

[gloomy sand]

as with many things with this game, he said it somewhere at random in a text channel or during a livestream

I don't have proof of it, but I know it

[rough root]

Reminds me... unlocking the brood watcher will be "environmental" heard him say that on stream

[robust crypt]

Was growing my fs and hunting and I was like "...Wait... Did it just start RAINING?"

[sly cedar]

Environmental? Not related to the eggs or nesting? The whole purpose of the BWs existence???? XD jk... am I? 🥲

[bold tusk]

instead of changing it, I rather know who is close to getting it

[pulsar swift]

For SS we need 6th tick and onwards, I filled 1st and 2nd yesterday

[gloomy sand]

or give a clearer hint

when I was doing my jeopardy game on Twitch, I had questions I thought were super easy but the players were lost. Ease is subjective.

[rough root]

That's all he said and refused to elaborate/say more.

[tardy perch]

You know, maybe he's changing it because the current method is proving to be too difficult. But we won't actually know until he spills the beans. But let's not spread any conspiricy thoeries please on that it's not in to begin with...that's just speculating.

[rough root]

Gonna be doing so much trying to figure that one out too lol

[gloomy sand]

The only difficulty is in figuring it out, not in the actual completion of the method. We can't know how hard it is to actually do until we get to test it.

Why put so much work into changing it when he could just tell us

[tardy perch]

I personally can't or won't judge until I know the method. For both. Until then I'll withhold me opinions, because the process of finding naything for the first time is always going to be long. Like I said, this happened before with mela. People can do it again.

[gloomy sand]

Makes 0 sense

[tardy perch]

Well only he knows the method. Maybe after staring at it for so long, he's deciding it's a dumb method

[gloomy sand]

It's a little late to make that choice don't you think?

[tardy perch]

Or in the hast to code it into the game, he had to overlook some things that maybe have come to light now.

[gloomy sand]

That's like deciding you want the SS to have more spikes now. After the game is released

[tardy perch]

No, I don't think it's too late. Not at all. It's a EA game for crying outloud lol

It's not released if you look at Steam. It's still in EA. Ful lrelease isn't until later. Don't be fooled by the 1.0 number

[sly cedar]

Speculating or not... you know what would dismiss that immediately? A dev flat out saying that it is in the game and not just the Elder ticks OR " it's in but turned off rn." Like I mean being specific in that statement for clarification, but even without a hint to the actual method would be fine. It would permanently knock something off our list. Though who am I kidding, we desperately need a hint...

[gloomy sand]

But the game is up and playable I mean, this isn't alpha, this isn't a test server

[limber valve]

But I still cant fathom changing the entire method instead of giving a better hint lol. Why not just say hey "I've decided this idea isnt as well thought out for eldering, so I'll change it" not "You cant figure it out, im changing it" it doesnt instill confidence lol

[tardy perch]

It's barely a beta if anything. But that's just titles. In the end, the devs and all of us know for a fact it isn't finished, and no one on the dev team is claiming it's finished

Well this is Jao. He's not good with clear wording.

[gloomy sand]

Figuring it out won't be a factor once a handful of people get it. They will spread the info and it will be common knowledge how to do it. So if eventually, figuring it out won't be part of the battle, why change the whole method just because we can't figure it out now?

[tardy perch]

But I do agree, I'd like ot know the current method regardless

[limber valve]

He has a community manager for a reason, its not that hard to just be truthful about it.

[tardy perch]

Well then let's ask NICELY on what the current method is? Or maybe you know...testers who have been shown the method already and telling him 'it's stupid, change it'.

[gloomy sand]

If he has a playtester group doing the eldering under an NDA, and they're telling him it's too hard, that might make sense for him to alter the process. But at that point, why continue to keep the method a secret? Let everyone have a go at it, tell us how to do it

[tardy perch]

*shrugs* I can go ask nicely if he is serious about changing the method. But if he is serious about changing it, then I don't see how him telling us this soon to be obsolete method is any bit useful to anyone. All it'll do is stop making people go crazy. But we ALSo don't know know for sure if he IS doing it.

So while he's unsure, he's keeping it a secret

[gloomy sand]

Be my guest to ask, but I would be very surprised if he told you anything

[limber valve]

With how everything has been going with 1.0 in general, you would think they would want to be more clear on things. "This is Jao" isn't an excuse. Theres thousands of messages in this thread with no one being any closer to figuring it out. Changing the method, instead of giving a hint doesn't make sense. People are allowed to express their concerns or lack of confidence that its actually in.

[tardy perch]

Well I' ma tester. So who knows. I helped convince him to make the compass have a toggle for always being visible so...

[sly cedar]

Wording is everything when it comes to puzzles!! Especially if visuals are lacking! We need something lol

[tardy perch]

Jao is the coder and not the community manager for a reason lol.

[gloomy sand]

But Jao also chooses to be vocal

[rough root]

I'll be honest, I find it mildly surprising none of the content creators have seemed interested in all of this going on.

I'm merely hoping we'll soon figure out something concrete, whatever that might be.

I am however also very understanding of how he's not doing too good.

[tardy perch]

Yeah cuz he's a person and a gamer like us

[turbid copper]

Eldering is kinda an endgame thing, it shouldn’t be this complicated to figure it out tbh

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/am-ia-joke-to-you-am-ia-joke-is-this-a-joke-do-you-think-this-is-funny-do-you-think-this-is-a-joke-gif-14191111

[rough root]

Okay, MOST content creators dear 🤣

[tardy perch]

Eldering is a big deal though in the PVP world

[gloomy sand]

hahaha

I can promise you he told us nothing

[tardy perch]

It should be hard, but that isn't the thing we are talking about

Moreso the lack of knowing what it is with a possible change to it coming. Maybe.

[gloomy sand]

You better believe if we knew something Pancake and Lusewing would have videos out, too

[rough root]

Oh I don't doubt it dear! I would have merely thought more would be interested in it!

[gloomy sand]

welllll

[limber valve]

Also, this game literally has only so much to do on it, it shouldn't be that hard to figure it out. I'd be more understanding if this was a bigger, more developed game. But it's not.

[tardy perch]

The PVPers are the ones more interested.

[rough root]

And yes, it would be lovely having something tangible to grasp for.

[gloomy sand]

^ that

[rough root]

Oh for sure.

[gloomy sand]

Me and Ryan, also in this thread, are the only creators that play pvp

[tardy perch]

PVE people do want to know as well, but only for the mutation points. It's not a life or death situation lol

[rough root]

Ah so you are? Makes more sense in that case!

[fierce violet]

Is there a Patreon chat in this disc?

[limber valve]

Yes

[rough root]

There is yes

[tardy perch]

The sooner pvp people can figure out how ot elder, the sooner they can get a leg up over others

[fierce violet]

Hmm I can’t find it.

[rough root]

I'm not a PvP'er myself. But I am utterly invested.

[tardy perch]

You have to be a patreon to see patreon chat

[tame crest]

As someone who is waiting for the big scary AI to come to PVE, that's when I'm interested in elder.

[limber valve]

YOu have to be subscribed to their patreon to see it

[fierce violet]

Yes I am 🙂

[sly cedar]

I think you underestimate those skin hunters and nesting upstaters on PvE...... 👀💦

[tame crest]

Or even DVE

[rough root]

You are not a patreon (roles) - connect your patreon to your discord if so!

[limber valve]

Did you connect discord via patreon?

[gloomy sand]

Right now, two full charged SS can kill an adult inferno. That probably means an elder ss can 1 shot an inferno. That's a HUGE deal. Elders change the game in a huge way for pvp.

[fierce violet]

Oooo am a noob how do I do?

[rough root]

Me 🤣

[tardy perch]

lol nah I'm not. It's just we aren't in as much a rush since to get enough mutations for dom mutation, you only need a few elder ticks

[rough root]

Settings, connected apps. On patreon!

[fierce violet]

Amazing Ty 🩷

[limber valve]

You have to do it via the web browser, cant do it on mobile. Just FYI c:

[rough root]

Well I'm more in a rush then, I hate waiting for those ticks when I wanna upstat NOW xD

[tardy perch]

Totally understandable. I too would like ot know the method so I can get dom as fast as possible. But most of us are in no rush.

[tame crest]

Once things like slayer worms are in I'm gonna want to elder so I can set up dragon squadrons and get pearls for the non-combat folks

[rough root]

Yaaaas

[fierce violet]

Maybe it’s worked now xD

[limber valve]

I wouldnt care as much if recessives werent set to the 4th mutation point for PvE. 💀 : (I only play PvE LOL)

[fierce violet]

Ooooo I’m green

[rough root]

There you go

[sly cedar]

Oh yeah.... I forget the Elder points are distributed a lil differently this time... but still, waiting days tog et time higher... ughhhhh lol

[tardy perch]

Well in other news, right now I know for sure Jao's main focus is trying to perfect the ping stuff that's kicking players. Imo that is more important for his time than revealing elder hints.

[rough root]

Oh definitely

[tardy perch]

So right now he's probably just too busy. He types sure, and sometimes he really shouldn't be putting things into people's minds when it's not set in stone. But alas.

[sly cedar]

Hecc yeah! I like group content in games where you work together as allies. I would love to be part of a squad taking down a worm.

[tardy perch]

But I'll at the VERY least put in a small bit of effort to leave feedback on the whole eldering thing in whatever ways I can. I do not expect answers, or anything, but hey least I can say I tried

[rough root]

Precisely

[bleak python]

is this just broken texture?

[last minnow]

i wouldnt say broken, but its "intended"

[bleak python]

looks like lights idk

[last minnow]

as dont forget, you arnt meant to xray into the water with night vision

[sly cedar]

Looks like buggies underwater.... eww

[last minnow]

its just a sand texture

[sly cedar]

Awww you mean their gonna fix that? I liked being able to see in the water and see the landmass a d how deep it was lol

But then I guess that would ruin any water ambush from Drakes huh... lol

[last minnow]

i dont think its intended so yea i assume they will change it

think of the new aqatic dragon

it wouldnt be able to hunt if you just used xray LOL

[bleak python]

i wasnt intentionally doing it i was flying down to get water and noticed it

[fading trench]

has anyone gotten to elder on a pvp official server?

[bold tusk]

no, outside of passives

[fading trench]

what do u mean mythy?

[bold tusk]

outside of the passive ticks in game, there hasn't been an effecient way to elder yet.

[fading trench]

it says up above that people found a way on pve

[bold tusk]

people are trying to figure it out but all the theories made has been proven to not work

[rough root]

Can't exactly say I know of ANY way.

[fading trench]

do u think this was meant to be a riddle or is he just talking to talk

[rough root]

We honestly don't know

[bold tusk]

thats for both pvp and pve I believe. I don't think there's pve player thats gotten to elder

[rough root]

None that we know of.

[fading trench]

i just wish they'd fix the food problem because its really hard to play the game when everyone is forced into the same area for food resources

[bold tusk]

yea, they will fix it soon I think

[fading trench]

so much for fixing it today

[rough root]

There's actually quite a few areas with a surprising amount. Still not enough though

[gloomy sand]

this is another thing bothering me, are there hints in the map or is it just texture glitching

like the SOMBRERO

[rough root]

You've got the... 13 scrab spawns at BR. The six in the redwood nearby. The five by big log.

[bleak python]

LOL

https://tenor.com/view/dance-maracas-shake-mexican-joe-manganiello-gif-8072268

[rough root]

Goodness this. Throne has a map glitch that genuinely looks like a grave, complete with plont 🤣

[fast geyser]

Maybe i like playing with corpses who knows xD

[rough root]

Morbid

[robust crypt]

One could say you like throwing a corpse party

[acoustic holly]

I feel like it’s a private joke at this point. But the fact that he would rather change it than tell us.

Also, has anyone tried just….walking? Not running, not rushing around, walking around, say—the lake—and enjoying the views? Because he keeps snipping at little things like that. Including his outro earlier.

All dragons (currently) are capable of walking but we are using running around or flying.

Or walking around river? It’s tempting to just rush through but what about just stopping and casually strolling and enjoying the scenery?

[robust crypt]

Well I didn't get anything out of carrying around a bug as a fresh adult ASD so I'll def try that

[rapid radish]

Has jao said something, giving another hint?

[acoustic holly]

Could be related. Could not. But I’m just throwing it out there because that’s literally something every dragon could do solo or in a group, PvP or pve

And since he keeps talking ladders, steps, etc, why not? Otherwise I agree, he hasn’t implemented anything and we are all just going to be annoyed come 1.0.1

[robust crypt]

And it lines up with "taking the first step"

[bleak python]

or maybe he's actually just gonna go outside and destress a little

[acoustic holly]

And as you grow older you tend to take the time to enjoy yourself rather than rushing around like youths.

[bleak python]

lol

[acoustic holly]

Just spitballing. I can’t test it because I’m at work.

[bleak python]

I can imagine he's stressed as hell right now over the Blitz delay.

[acoustic holly]

But yes, I do think he’s just trolling at this point. But if someone could or would like to test, by all means. At this time, I will have to wait 5.5 more hours to test it myself.

[gloomy sand]

omfg

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

[tardy perch]

Don't over think it lol. Jao is just finally relaxing. The good news I found out is he's actually resting enough to get his bloodpressure to a much less scary level.

[gloomy sand]

hi yeah im not walking around the lake

[robust crypt]

Don't mind me just taking a stroll through the Eastern redwoods since I'm already here

[tardy perch]

Also...in light of some more...I hesitate to say 'hints'....I say everyone keep trying. I've said my peace to Jao and got a response in a way and urged him to at least tell the method BEFORE he changes it. But honestly have what I learned....I say just keep looking everyone. We might just kick ourselves in the butt later when it's finally revealed

I'm actually trying to urge him to NOT change it now XD So keep trying everyone.

[pulsar swift]

Probably how I looked to my family and friends the last week

[last minnow]

jao sounded so tired during the livestream for when 1.0 first launched i felt so bad😭

they sounded like if they happened to lay down somewhere, they would instantly fall asleep

[tardy perch]

I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. But he seems ot be finally relaxing so that's good news.

[last minnow]

i hate that people even clearly hearing his voice that he was tired as hell were still disrespectful, then played the nice card when they were about to update it fr

[compact reef]

i dont know why but that lit a fire in my soul that make me wanna find it

[rough root]

I do this a lot as a roleplayer xD nothing.

[acoustic holly]

I figured it was worth a shot. I mean it would be difficult to not want to run around like crazy, to fly or jump or all the crazy things. It goes against what you want to do in a dragon game. And mentions of steps it just kind of clicked. But if you do that already…. It was worth a shot anyways.

[last minnow]

i dont rp but walking around just looks more realistic

[fading trench]

where did he send this

[rough root]

He's sounded tired a lot sadly. Stress is a killer. But even when I hear his old videos etc, He sounded tired (just a bit less so) - I'm convinced it may just be how he speaks (of course, even I could tell he was tired in the last one. But I don't think I ever heard him like, full of energy)

[last minnow]

wait is it rp if i make up an entire documentary in my head about a dragon

[rough root]

Patreon chat

[tardy perch]

I think what I'm gonan try is just grow a dragon that can elder to adult, then just, play as it for a while. Maybe you just have to exist as a dragon for a certain amount of time and then visit a location to get a growth boost?

[fading trench]

[last minnow]

yea nah i 100% can hear them with having a deeper slower voice, but their last livestream wasnt just that, they sounded genuinely tired

[tardy perch]

The gen chat had another hint. Soemthign about how Jao wanted the eldering process to be similiar to how you unlocked Jedi in a certain star wars game. And part fo said requirements was playing for x amount of time. (the rest were things you can't actually DO in DoD or anything close)

That might be old info though

[rough root]

For sure.

[rough root]

Aye, there's been some talk in here about it as well. I believe it's referenced in the 'be a dragon' theory

[last minnow]

yea it is, thats where that theory originated from

[rough root]

For me it originated from how Jao wanted it to be more dragony than eating shrooms xD

But the 'steps' variant came from the Jedi thing.

[pliant ice]

.. Gonna add to this, i genuinely don't believe it was an eldering hint from how the convo was going. I think the guy just needs a break today

[last minnow]

fr, if they dont deliberately say "heres a hint" or are talking about the game, im not taking that as a hint

[compact reef]

what if its fly/run x km, smell and track x food, eat and drink x amount, bring x BL/hatchlings into the world, carry hatchlings x km, discover x locations, heal x damage taken, fly max height, be in a large large group creating a thunder of dragons <-- which is a "dragon thing to do" yes its not a solo able but they are all separate possible ticks from one another meaning it can be group based or solo depending on what you wanna do as your dragon , be born into the world x times, survive x amount of times. I'm just brainstorming anything I can think of.

[turbid yoke]

boy the risk was calculated ... but damn I'm bad at maths

[compact reef]

XD

discover hidden secrets would be apart of them to

carry bugs x km cause we are always bringing food to nesters

[bleak python]

doing squats. hopefully it unlocks elder for you guys.

[fast geyser]

But if they give hints i dont think they would write them in the patreon chat hideing it behind a paywall

[compact reef]

do x amount of squats XD

[fast geyser]

At least i hope

[turbid yoke]

OH

you guys read the comic on patreon ?

[compact reef]

i was just reading that havent finished

[turbid yoke]

Cause one of the new chapter just came out

[compact reef]

.>

[pulsar swift]

Some people just naturally sound tired but yeah, game dev is not an easy job at all. Glad they took my advice of taking a break and taking care of themself tho

[turbid yoke]

And Jakhron burns a dead FS

What if

[compact reef]

everyone needs a break even from your passions

[turbid yoke]

Instead of eating their corpses like we do

Because cannibalism intra species is bad

What if we offered them a proper «funeral »

Like a place to mourn those who left

Maybe it’s by showing respect for those who died and were reincarnated

[naive oxide]

that’s not solo though

[turbid yoke]

Yeah ….

[compact reef]

what if things can be solo or group based both at the same time

[naive oxide]

would be cool, but we have to think of something a normal player would eventually figure out themselves

[compact reef]

id like to think like that cause every dragon/player is different

[deft spruce]

anyone knows what these are

[compact reef]

we are leaning to hard on 1 possibility leads to a next when it could be multiple things give elder in different ways and amounts

[turbid yoke]

I feel like they dropped us the « chaos is a ladder » line from came of thrones

[bleak python]

just broken textures

[naive oxide]

even though we didn’t figure it out in time i’m glad i was able to help brainstorm with you guys. feels good to work together on something like this ^^

[compact reef]

I like to think about cod camos get so many headshots unlock a camo. so it could be somewhat similar in dod do certain stuff as a dragon so much and something is bound to unlock or happen. and it could be a crazy amount. all cod release with rediculous goals to reach to unlock camos then they nerf it down "change it" to make it not as grindy or hard. weird observation I know lol

I've just been doing everything people have been saying on this discord chat for days in hopes of something and I'm starting to think we are just stressing ourselves out when it could most definitely be simple but we think its something more mindlessly flying to each clue as if they added something super special for the goal.

[last minnow]

fr, its great to come together to test out eachothers ideas and being open to seeing others perspectives on what could be done

its awesome

[carmine belfry]

No, just world building lol

[last minnow]

thats what i thought but theres always this huge debate sometimes if it is or isnt

[carmine belfry]

Well, to make you feel better i like to create stories about my dragons i play on lol

[last minnow]

ik alot of players do the same

[carmine belfry]

I believe its okay to world build lol, makes things more intresting

[last minnow]

it really does

[carmine belfry]

I even give my dragons names lol

[last minnow]

mood

[naive oxide]

same

[compact reef]

and all those ideas i had would be ungatekeepable since any player would be bound to eventually stumble on those goals if they play enough.

[last minnow]

thats how it is in general, the devs will eventually just say it

so gatekeeping is pointless

[compact reef]

well duh but I meant they wouldn't have to and someone would eventually tell what they discovered

[pulsar swift]

I feel like I'm gonna hurt someone with this idea but have anyone thought about checking all those pointy rocks and see if their points cross anywhere?

[compact reef]

someone has brought that up already

in different wording same idea though

[pulsar swift]

Pretty sure I lost my mind, I'm even following the aurora's movement

[carmine belfry]

Oop

[compact reef]

XD ive tried that i would see blue and try to chase it as an ss

"what if the blue does something"

lol

[pulsar swift]

I've seen some pink streaks that seem to focus on the center of the map going east to west

[turbid yoke]

yeah i thought about that too

[compact reef]

bro is eye tracking them

[turbid yoke]

"shapes and colors" XD

[pulsar swift]

I taste colours and smell shapes!

[turbid yoke]

you had too much shrooms XD

[compact reef]

XD

[pulsar swift]

Not enough since they were removed

[turbid yoke]

i'm glad they were removed though

[compact reef]

we still got the toxic ones

atleast

[carmine belfry]

Lol

Those have saved my ir and fs so much lol

[last minnow]

getting to 100 sickness does nothing but attempt to murder you

not reccomended

[compact reef]

which is a dragon thing to do as well if it were real life desperate staring animal. cx

but i like the blur

[last minnow]

i think its cool for photos actually

if you get the right angle it actually makes things look better

[compact reef]

adds dramatic effect

[last minnow]

looks like an edit on the fly

fr

[robust crypt]

Dolphins intentionally get high off of pufferfish toxins for fun, who's to say dragons don't do the same with mushrooms?

XD

[compact reef]

well they are very intelligent creatures they prob like to unwind like a human would XD

[last minnow]

def

[compact reef]

"takes shot"

dolphins scare me ever since king of the hill

[pulsar swift]

I was wondering what you were on about when you mentioned the blue, I didnt see it until I got to the eastern side of the map but I didnt propely look until I got ontop of big snowy

now there is a lot of blue

idk if thats just rng or an actual intended shift

[compact reef]

yeah so i chased it in hopes it was for something lol

[wooden marsh]

they kinda do, that new perch points towards arch kinda & pride rock point to both arch and perch. IR doesn't have stam to fly from pride to arch. idk if I done it wrong order, went perch - pride - arch

[oak dawn]

Its a reason i didnt share what i was told here, i wanted to see if it was actually true first so i didnt spread false hope or information.

I would have given proof if could and knew more / if it was true and shared my knowledge with everyone.

[naive oxide]

just got one of the first B bloodline SS in the server i play in, can they just tell us already im so excited

[native yacht]

just got off work and will be continuing my search for eldering. couldn't focus all day but i think i have some things to test

also i was reading above and the carry the bug thing is a no. i tried that last night

give me a sec to change over and grab some food....gonna be an all nighter again

[compact reef]

but how far and long cause i said x km cx

[native yacht]

will be reporting here of my findings..still need some brains together if anyone is on with some actual theories

[compact reef]

dope

[native yacht]

i doubt eldering is flight track bro

my mindset is in the scope of programming and mythically

[compact reef]

I doubt it something as complicated and precise as everyone is making it out to be but your right its still not a proven fact

the code behind the dragons is complicated in its self wouldn't put it past them

[robust crypt]

I MADE A MISTAKE

[carmine belfry]

What?

[robust crypt]

I dived into Misty lake 😭

[carmine belfry]

Oop

[last minnow]

gl, hope you brought scuba gear

[robust crypt]

Oh thank goodness I made it out

Results: no elder tick, but I did get half a bar of exhaustion trying to get out fdkhgdkjhgd

[carmine belfry]

Pfft

[compact reef]

and also what is more mythical than a dragon lol

[tardy perch]

It can't be flight related because then ASD can't elder that way. Unless Jao programmed it to be different per species. But I hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighly doubt he did that given the short time frame of coding he had to work with

[compact reef]

re read it i said fly/RUUUUN

both can do

jesus

it wouldnt have to be per species

i also dont think they would have had the time to make these crazy albolite steps we think it is

if they did then damn bravo color me impressed

[native yacht]

just logged in and got my first "you feel stronger" and now at 1.9%
(this is just for me to track)

[compact reef]

woot

[rapid radish]

with what dragon and is it on official server? 🙂

[native yacht]

SS on scaleworth PVE

[rapid radish]

okay 🙂

[jolly topaz]

1.5 growth on there

[rapid radish]

I know ^^

[mint tulip]

still no real hints?

[minor hinge]

clan secret, but first steps taken - good luck

[carmine belfry]

Gatekeeper

[mint tulip]

your clan?

[vale flicker]

why even give us that

[mint tulip]

wow what server so I can join the server just to make you regret

❤️

make another clan just to attack yours

[somber shuttle]

"Clan secret" 😂 What a crappy thing to do lmao

[carmine belfry]

Its rude and i dislike people who do this

[last minnow]

hope you realize gatekeeping gets you nowhere

and dont forget to eat/heal bro

gen question tho why even do this, you can have bragging rights if you actually openly say it

[carmine belfry]

Fr

[languid spoke]

some people need to be underhanded to feel special, that's all

[last minnow]

you could be a legend, not to 10 hated players, thats a pretty bad look for your clan

[last minnow]

this i never understood

like you can be the special one if you openly say it as you will go down as a legend

[bleak python]

they dont even look full grown ngl

[last minnow]

they look small

and they just made their discord like 2 days ago

[carmine belfry]

Yeup

[pulsar swift]

How do we even know its on an official server if the person dont answer

[drifting frost]

[languid spoke]

me either, but some people are just so unhappy with their own lives that they need to make others unhappy to feel better about themselves. i'd just ignore it, they want the attention

[night tendon]

The coords too. Uh huh, totally eldering

[last minnow]

still a bad look for a clan regardless, but if you feel like being hated to feel special, fine by me

[somber shuttle]

Somebody pull out a juvy FS and size compare lmao

[last minnow]

LOL

[bleak python]

they look like a hatchie LOL

[last minnow]

yea lets debunk this fr now actually

jokes aside

[bleak python]

look at how big the grass is LOL

[vast valley]

Looks like a Juvie

[languid spoke]

they needed some attention that's all

[vast valley]

@minor hinge Show age, bet

[last minnow]

the thickness in the neck for elder doesnt seem right anyway

[stray sapphire]

i thought you just had to wait for elder but you actually have to do stuff

[last minnow]

nope

theres a different way to elder instead of passive

[vast valley]

Bro wont show age

[last minnow]

ofc not

[mint tulip]

this was their only post ever

trolling probablyl

[carmine belfry]

New to the server too

[mint tulip]

still won't give server or clan name

[carmine belfry]

They have new icon

[last minnow]

80s 6w who wants to compair

[vast valley]

Prolly

[last minnow]

juvi growth bar 100%

[carmine belfry]

Most likely

[last minnow]

if you wanna troll then use a main acc

if you cant handle backlash dont do it

easy

[bleak python]

how people have the patience enough to switch their phone numbers to different discords is beyond me

[mint tulip]

you know who is also to blame for this troll?

the people who made the game and aren't just telling us ❤️

[last minnow]

now i like secrets like this, but for a huge game mechanic this is wild

[plush atlas]

Whats everyones theories? Ive been trying hard lmao

[last minnow]

fr

[mint tulip]

and as far as I can tell there is no ingame hints either for us to figure it out ourselves

[last minnow]

nope, 0

which is horrible

not even escape rooms are like this

[mint tulip]

that there is only passive and they trolling us by saying it is ingame active

they being the devs

[somber shuttle]

I have a hard time believing its in the game, or its some absolutely absurd series of events 😂

[vast valley]

It will definitely be something absurdly abstract

[mint tulip]

that must be why they won't tell us for real now its cause they realize there would be some backlash that it isn't truly in game

[last minnow]

its ingame as stated by many mods and other devs

[mint tulip]

and that could be a lie

[last minnow]

so idk

right

but i highly doubt it

sound really dumb to lie about the upmost important game mechanic

[mint tulip]

they are people

[last minnow]

when you could say "its not in yet" and people wouldnt be as mad with that than an ongoing lie

[mint tulip]

people can be dumb with their "jokes"

[last minnow]

unfortunate

[pulsar swift]

Things got heated here while I went to the bathroom I see

[mint tulip]

we are in a volcanoe so yes very heated

[pulsar swift]

Anyway I dont think we can blame the devs for this, just another troll that feeds off people's negative emotions judging by the pic's name

No info to get there

[mint tulip]

i mean... why not? they haven't given a decent hint just its in game

and I feel everyone has tried everything

[last minnow]

apparently not everything

[mint tulip]

que the zootopia song try everything but it gets more depressing the longer it goes

[bleak python]

[drifting frost]

[timber laurel]

Apparently its "super obvious"

[bleak python]

[acoustic holly]

Who said that because I have a foot that would like to meet their rear.

[timber laurel]

Something along those lines is what jao said im pretty certain

[bleak python]

That made me chuckle lol

[timber laurel]

agreed xD

[mint tulip]

second verse same as the first "i have a foot that would like to meet their rear"

[timber laurel]

LMAO

[last minnow]

for real

[acoustic holly]

I would use more colorful language but you know…rules and such

[timber laurel]

I feel that lmao

[mint tulip]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/870102782852612126/1199493174960345238/Kalgkur_nods.gif

[last minnow]

mood

ik some people in this chat would paint a beautiful picture with descriptive words

[pulsar swift]

I will redact their redacted

[timber laurel]

KMLDFHL

[stray notch]

:\

[drifting frost]

New theory: you gotta go sniff every single bio plant spawn and that's how you elder

[turbid yoke]

sniffs louldy

[stray notch]

i hate potato settings

[turbid yoke]

shapes and colors

[somber shuttle]

Omg smelling flowers for elder i love that 😂

[stray notch]

i wanna enjoy shadows, but someone can exploit by completely DELETING SHADOWS, also cloaked SS is useless with potato shadoes

[last minnow]

people will always exploit

im sorry

but thats our sad reality

[turbid yoke]

nah u kinda right

[stray notch]

bro im okay if someone exploites by a hack F u
but the game saying "oh wanna be the most OP thing in game skip caves skip forests and skip cloaked SSs? potato setting!!"

[last minnow]

thats how alot of games are as those are the things that eat gpu in general

so yea people will happily exploit that for some really dumb reason

the thrill is the fun part of hunting then being ambushed😭

[native yacht]

whys the server chat cleared?

or why no one talking?

[carmine belfry]

It was ruled out as a joke

[native yacht]

oh trust i know

[compact kindle]

What happens to the ss in potato mode?

[stray notch]

well, me and my friends in DeathMatch trying to do metal-gear SS clan raid lol
so in the cave with lots of shadows, SS even with walking cloak is INVISIBLE
but with potato, no shadows so its walking like a crystal

[compact kindle]

Ooh

Thats rough

[stray notch]

guys.. in that test we discovered

2 SS full charge can 1 shot IR/FS/SS/ASD ANYTHING IN GAME THEY 1 SHOT

[native yacht]

from full hp?

[stray notch]

idk why am i saying that here, lol this chat should be closed to how desperate it is

[stray notch]

yes

full armor full HP elder points to survivor

[compact kindle]

Yup! I second that

Only one ss full charge takes out the asd

[hallow mountain]

what? 😭

[stray notch]

its just what ur saying is right we are hopeless

[compact dove]

if its pain stakingly obvious, how have we not figured it out yet :/

[native yacht]

welp nothing ive tested worked

back to being lost

[stray notch]

dont be

thats what i do irl

if i try hard asf to do something and it just dont wanna be done

i give it the 👆 you

meh who cares, wait for devs to reveal it

[compact dove]

funny you can see what people name their PNGs when you copy past ethem

[stray notch]

wth is this

did someone really do this troll?

[acoustic holly]

Of course they did

It’s the internet.

They see us suffering decided to poke our suffering more.

[compact dove]

Yea. the person from earlier today AverageToothlessEnjoyer posted a screenshot saying he found the first steps

[native yacht]

why come in here and troll peeps that are tryna do justice for everyone?

[stray notch]

lol thats why i never trust ppl being "oh i did that and got 32.2345% elder growth!!"

[compact dove]

not even that. we are trying to figure out a freaking mechanic of the game...because the dev wont do it

[acoustic holly]

Why do trolls do anything? They get a kick out of it.

[compact dove]

I get it. Let us figure it out because eldering should be "difficult" but coem on.

[acoustic holly]

Same as narcissists. They get a kick out of stirring people up.

[stray notch]

i get it its hard
BUT MAKE IT HARD IN A FUN WAY NOT IN STRESSING WAY

[naive oxide]

If it’s supposed to be ‘super obvious’ the only remotely magic/big ‘in your face’ landmark that i know of is Bio Island. Have any experiments been done there with the flowers at all?

[stray notch]

like, its normal hardness to KNOW the way but lets say first step is like KILL 20 dragons with ur current dragon, then it gets to be some easy tasks

[compact dove]

@naive oxide i saw some little...floating things near a rock on there

[naive oxide]

that’s what got me suspecting

[compact dove]

like jellyfish thing people can use. but nothing is t here

[acoustic holly]

Jellies they were on the old map too

[stray notch]

hoooooold on

[turbid yoke]

ohhhh tamin im listening

im holding on

[naive oxide]

it’s the ONLY magical looking place on the entire map

[stray notch]

somni showed me some WIERD cave yesterday with fireflies

[acoustic holly]

But that wouldn’t work because you could just camp island.

[stray notch]

at river

[native yacht]

where is bio island?

[stray notch]

that seems sus

[hot ferry]

Problem with looking at specific locations is supposedly this elder system is supposed to be "uncampable"

[carmine belfry]

br cave has fireflies too

[compact dove]

@native yacht its with the cherry blossom tree i think

[stray notch]

not jelly fishes not that, like real fireflies

[last minnow]

its probably due to over complicating it

[native yacht]

oh you guys call it bio island

[compact dove]

yeh cause its full of bio flowers

[last minnow]

i call it cherry island

[carmine belfry]

No, br cave has fireflies

[stray notch]

the island?

[carmine belfry]

Not jellies

[compact dove]

this stuff hurts my freaking brain

what lack there of i have anymore

[naive oxide]

yeah sorry my server calls it bio island lol

[acoustic holly]

The point is: eldering is not supposed to be camp-able and those are locations to camp. I’m not saying they won’t be important for like NPCs but I feel like it’s pointless to talk about a specific location because those can be camped

[compact dove]

and nothing nesting/pvp related. because you have to be able to do it in single player.

[naive oxide]

it’s the only “obvious” thing i can think of

nothing else is remotely interesting on the map

other than crystals which are cosmetic

[compact dove]

something we have to do ourselves?

[turbid yoke]

im sure its something we need to do or deserve

like proove ourselves worthy off

[compact dove]

but how would you do that in single player

[stray notch]

guys, take a break, think about general idea and... why do u have to brainstorm for this?

devs themselves gave u NO hints, i dont count these as hints

[last minnow]

im taking a break already, didnt look all day and dont plan to

[tame crest]

I've been playing Star Wars Galaxies, I have discovered I'm a terrible driver so my friend is now my Uber.

[stray notch]

just, never mind about it untill devs actually treat us as normal human beings not some smart aliens

[last minnow]

12 hours i spent on this ill admit is fun, but i have things to do

[compact dove]

All im saying is if this is a mechanic that we currently can NOT obtain. Im gonna be livid.

[naive oxide]

same, it better not be a joke

[acoustic holly]

Unfortunately I doubt they will care.

[stray notch]

haha elder pearl that buffs ur elder passive tick that will suck hard

[compact dove]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KeZduOoVan9TrpKoCjmpO1OzvKfImIOMQLlSiqj_p0E/edit#heading=h.6vwbnshxgict not sure if anyone read this but its interesting

[somber shuttle]

"Taking the first step to climb the ladder" is usually a corporate reference to achieving greater heights. Usually having a lot to do with communication and networking along with working harder. But all i can try to relate that to is maybe an NPC. Ive checked every inch of the map though, and havent found anything. Im not sure what else to relate that hint too. I know NPCs were in progress though.

[carmine belfry]

Its been pinned

[native yacht]

the reason why i keep 1calling and 2calling was because of the bug function/trigger that was in legacy..maybe look at something and call/emote at it and something will happen? id image it be the aggression emote

but all speculations

[compact dove]

jao said it has to be achievable in single player though

so i dont think its anything to do with pvp. nesting. socialism of any sort

im wondering if its something we could smell

[somber shuttle]

NPCs have nothing to do with multiplayer

[compact dove]

but if its so "simple" someone has to have found it by now.

[somber shuttle]

NPC quests can 100% be done solo. I doubt theyre in the game, but that was all I could think with the hint

[naive oxide]

would be cool if it was something like “return the bio flowers to bio island” sorta thing

[native yacht]

re-flew over elder forest..nothing. I thought that was the "obvious"

[stuck minnow]

If "climbing the ladder" has to do with heights. What's the lowest point on the map?

Riot time at the bottom of ravine! xD

[native yacht]

height point an ASD can reach?

[last minnow]

a mountain

[tardy perch]

Let it be known that a process itself can be EASY, but finding it might not be. It could be a million different things, but all I said was that it's supposedly 'easy' once we figure out what it is.

[short pine]

like how long it took to figure out how to unlock mela at first
didnt jao have to confirm that one for us?

[tardy perch]

Correct

People are freaking out but I think folks should just relaaaax and keep trying. Once we DO find it, this will all be behind us

[naive oxide]

with the lack of things in game, idk how they think it’s supposed to be obvious when NOTHING stands out

[short pine]

I remember the theories about the bug sizes and colours then, and it is so simple when you look back
There was less when mela unlock came out tbh

[stray notch]

campable.

[naive oxide]

true

[native yacht]

ok so i was thinking...wouldnt big rock be considered..uncampable? due to players always being there

[somber shuttle]

Any location is considered campable

[vale flicker]

im suprised nobody has got any tics yet, even with mela unlock we had people doing it on accident

[last minnow]

mela was easiest

ig

but this is just

you gotta get creative

[native yacht]

its so obvious that im losing my REDACTED mind 😔

[compact dove]

trying to figure out what would be "difficult" in this game

[native yacht]

whys that?

[stray notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaXTHumhaCc

i dont know if this is interesting

or is it just no related

[native yacht]

you know whats funny, thats the most complex feature they could add to this game. AI path finding and follow

but unrelated

[native yacht]

anyone noticed those blocked caves?

[compact dove]

some of them yes

found a "holy flower" xD in one of them

[native yacht]

found a flower in 3 of them as well

[stray notch]

thats river end cave, if u turn shadow quality to potato its gonna disable it and u'll see the whole cave

[compact dove]

imagine its a sacrifice

am i bugged? O.o

[plucky cosmos]

no, just in first person as an IR with your flame cloak on

[compact dove]

interesting. cause it wasnt on xD but i did stop the animation with smelling

[plucky cosmos]

hmmm, maybe report that as a bug

[compact dove]

Bios cant elder right?

[last minnow]

no

[plucky cosmos]

nope

[compact dove]

I wonder if it has to do with attacking/killing something

[native yacht]

havent spotted anything of that sort

[dry mural]

18,000 messages. Y'all are impressively hungry to solve this

[native yacht]

starving bro..starving

not one clue

[robust crypt]

I tried killing a bug with bile via sprinting on a freshly adulted ASD since flying + bile was too difficult for me

Got nothing

[crystal ibex]

Do we know of any other locations that were mentioned in lore or somewhere that been called "Jrakhon"? Such as Jrakhon falls, Jrakhon tree etc

[robust crypt]

May try a sprint and bite next, and then try again after I get a passive elder tick

[compact kindle]

I believe most if not all locations on the map are community named and none actually have an official title

[stray notch]

lmao what

[plucky cosmos]

yeah, in first person, zoomed all teh way in, IRs have a special hud visual to tell the flame cloak is on

[native yacht]

so and ASD can make it up the mountain

[solar hedge]

[native yacht]

the man himself

xD

[solar hedge]

xD

[robust crypt]

I'm not surprised, I used to do things like that in Legacy

[native yacht]

also no bug offering

[crystal ibex]

How many elder ticks would an ss have to have to get 6.3%?

In total

[plucky cosmos]

its about 1.3 for an SS i think, so 6.3/1.3=?

ill get my calculator

aabout 4.8 ticks, more likely 5

[crystal ibex]

1.3 x 5 is 6.5. So too over, and 1.3 x 4 is too little

[plucky cosmos]

there's probably extra decimals in there

[crystal ibex]

Wouldn't add up either

[bright turret]

I thought it was determined that ss ticks are 1.26

[crystal ibex]

Yeah that's what I thought, but wasn't sure

[last minnow]

i heard it was 1.3 something

[crystal ibex]

There's conflicting info

[last minnow]

theres conflicting info everywhere with eldering😭

[turbid yoke]

Have people tried sighs Reddit ?

Because I haven’t

Yet

[crystal ibex]

There's two reddits, the Day of Dragons Official is the official one.

[native yacht]

nothing on sighs reddit

[crystal ibex]

I could have sworn I had only gotten 3 ticks on my ss on Flaming Falls, I was keeping track

I got one after I logged in for a bit, so that would only be 4 and wouldn't make 6.3

[plucky cosmos]

6.3/1.26 equals 5 exactly

[crystal ibex]

Yes

I know

[pliant yoke]

Do we already know anything about how to elder actively?

[native yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

[last minnow]

no but if you want to join in on the suffering you are more than welcome to

[floral bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cry-crying-shower-private-gif-8466975

[last minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-a-sad-story-josh-sundquist-cow-tipping-disaster-tragic-story-hard-luck-story-gif-19101867

[bleak python]

@rapid radish 10.4% to 12.5% on asd if that helps

[crystal ibex]

Hey, what if the mechanics work like how the mushrooms did. Where they were on a timer of one hour until respawn if I remember. What if an 'activity' was on a one hour cooldown?

Such as doing something to trigger music

[native yacht]

checked that and nope... when i first logged in i flew up to get the music

hours later i flew up again and nothing

another hr and flew up again and still nothing

[crystal ibex]

Where did you put your mutation points?

[native yacht]

agile

[deep gyro]

I kinda feel like mutation points might not be a factor in it, since that forces a player to act a certain way in game based on stats.

[native yacht]

i had the same thought

[mint tulip]

I FIGURED OUT THE ACTIVE METHOD

https://tenor.com/view/you-don't-invincible-omni-man-jk-simmons-that's-the-neat-thing-gif-4390372980992221432

[plucky cosmos]

then tell us

[naive oxide]

[plucky cosmos]

sigh

[mint tulip]

madness rains TwT

down is left

up is purple

[plucky cosmos]

i feel the warp overtaking me, it is a good pain

[dense current]

at this point i aint believing anyone who just comes in here claiming they found out the method without actual proof it works on an offical server xD

[mint tulip]

same

i just am at this point waiting for jao to just say it

or put proper hints out

[naive oxide]

^

[mint tulip]

either verbal outside of the game or in game hints

[naive oxide]

at this point i’d accept snail mail

[last minnow]

fr

[timber laurel]

Have we tried becoming cows yet and eating the grass?

[naive oxide]

good lead, ill test that theory tomorrow

[native yacht]

alright new brianwave

what are some functions we can do?

[dawn pelican]

Maybe we just need to mash our heads against some rocks?

[pulsar swift]

Kinda tried, I've lost 4 adults diving head first into the great falls

[dawn pelican]

😂😂😂

There's a new chapter from the dod comic on webtoon

It's not very long tho and not at all related to eldering 🫠

[native yacht]

just learned something

[pulsar swift]

That we're all suffering together?

[native yacht]

lol well that and if you aim at a crab and 1call it backs up

[plucky cosmos]

after its already been "alerted?"

[native yacht]

so i rescanned the entire map but this time while aiming to see if anything pops up red

[native yacht]

and yes

[plucky cosmos]

hm, thats news to me, and an interesting behavior. anyway,. please continue

[native yacht]

i just tested another theory and nope didnt work...i figure with all the long pride rocks maybe it was some kinda offering stone to the elders above (i know i know but what have i got to lose with a thought like that) by placing a bug and doing some kinda call

[pulsar swift]

I had some odd colour glitches in the "donut forest" between big tree/falls and arches last night, tried to reproduce it but couldnt. In the southern part I saw something that looked like a blood-red crystal, tried to land and find it. Took off, spotted what looked like a yellow crystal in the northeast.

Calling them glitches because I landed near them, sniffed, didnt find anything, took off, scanned the area, tried NV. Nothing.

Not been able to reproduce it either, was at night.

[native yacht]

darn thought youd find something

this forest?

or is it this?

[pulsar swift]

Its neither, its a ring of trees that almost look like that GPS/position marker you get on map apps. Green barren patch in the middle with a ring of trees around, not as tall as redwood trees

If you fly over central lake a little high up, look north by northwest I think and you should see it

[native yacht]

ooh i know where you're talking about i just left there

i didnt see nothing nor did anything happen

[pulsar swift]

I spent 15-20 min walking around sniffing, shooting, screaming, attacking trees. Went as far as trying to do unspeakable things to the trees. Even Lorax has given up on me

[native yacht]

LMFAO

ok im beat

started at 1.9% and ending at 1.9%

[rough root]

Actually the list of pearls DID include one that would boost the amount of elder growth you got per tick. As well as other cosmetic pearls, for example ones changing your breath element visual. I recall that list thing shown to patreons. (VERY late to this but yknow. Going through the convos)

[native yacht]

i saw that but i dont think they would lock elder behind a ...paywall..............nowould they?......

[deft patrol]

If they do that, good bye to all players not able/wanting to pay xD

So literally everybody

[rough root]

No no. I doubt they would.

[deft patrol]

I also thought of some stuff before heading to bed yesterday (9 am for me rn):
What would being an Elder define.
Getting older, stronger, building a family,…

That’s what I thought of so far.

[native yacht]

no bro...no nesting

[deft patrol]

Well it was saied the first step to start eldering not eldering itself

If I’m not wrong

[rough root]

All things already tried I'm afraid.

[deft patrol]

So while eldering might be done solo, but the first step being a requirement

Maybe it’s really related to genetics/stats

And creating successors

Just a thought

Because what else could be meant by „making it more dragonish“

[plucky cosmos]

but not really soloable

unless they dont want single player to get elder, when that eventually comes out

[native yacht]

this is all the "phrases" we been working with:

One of his hints said it is hard to figure out, but cool to do.

according to jao it can be done at any time of day

you must take the first step before you can climb the elder ladder

[deft patrol]

First step = requirement

Eldering = ladder

I’m on phone and at work (break) so can’t really describe it the best xD

[native yacht]

you generating some bad juju bro .. nah

[deft patrol]

Just a thought

Like I saied ^^

So back to work

[native yacht]

currently in deathmatch testing to see if anything says you've already eldered

[worn egret]

Perhaps with how nesting includes grandchildren, meeting them? Or some kind of interaction like that. More social and interactive like he wanted rather than shrooming

Inferring from “first step” instead of passive ticks up that ladder a set of tasks in an order (I think I’d rather die if so)

[robust crypt]

That makes me tempted to just sit in BR with the dragon I've used to bonk people already

[plucky cosmos]

the issue is discovering whatever that first step is

[native yacht]

PVE servers would already accomplish this

am i wrong? cause thats all they do is nest. theres def someone already grandparents

"first step" take initative and do

[robust crypt]

Lots of nesting and swapping between dragons I've noticed, not always in the same places

But yeah

[rough root]

He also wanted it to be more social. But that's hard if it's soloable xD

[faint tendon]

Could work if there was just multiple ways to go about Elder growth, although balancing that might impose some other limits.

Like, you can do A, B or C, every X minutes/hours to get a tick. Or none-time based, but all three are on average equally difficult / time consuming

[timber laurel]

We've going about this the wrong way if thats the case of "wanting it to be more social".
Instead of trying to find methods to elder solo, Mayhaps instead we should be trying in groups?

"making it more dragonish“ may also correlate to being in a group (pack) of dragons to work together to elder..? i'm not sure, just a theory. unbeknownst to me if anybody has tried to fly in a group before or have tested any of the prior methods with a group.

[maiden island]

It might be Blood quility related, you might need higher blood quility for it activly work, which requires you to be social do to nesting just to get the A BLQ

[timber laurel]

Maybe you wont get eldering progress unless you're A bl so that you don't waste elder on an F / E stat..?

"Cynro — 02/24/2024 10:05 AM
Jao once said: SO GUYS you have to REDATED REDACTED REDACTED. then you obviously have to go to REDACTED to get REDACTED"

Perhaps that is in regards to the VERY cryptic message..

[maiden island]

i mean you can obviously get it passivly but me and my friend were talking about it and as far as i'm aware not a lot of ppl have A BLQ yet

[delicate bridge]

I honestly think he meant it moreso as a joke; not a hint

[maiden island]

def something we'll look into when we're free then try and get that A BLQ and see if we can get anything to happen

[keen spire]

We have a location called "Ancient Arena" What if we have to fight? Dragons are predators, right? Predators always fight for the right to become alpha by killing competitors. I think dragons, like dinosaurs, lived by the same laws

[plucky cosmos]

pve though? only ai we can "fight" are bugs

[keen spire]

We can activate PVP mode even on PvE servers

[plucky cosmos]

i know, im justing thinking about those peoplle that either cant or wont do any form of pvp

[keen spire]

Yeah but it could to be "making it more dragonish“) Eat ur rival

[lost lichen]

Yeah but no soloable ^^'

[turbid copper]

Then what's the point of pve if you have to pvp in pve lmao

[keen spire]

Yeah, but more social too)

[dawn pelican]

I have a bl a ir, no progress other then passive ticks

[keen spire]

Ask developers)) Who knows what they are thinking..

[turbid copper]

if it really was that case, then i would, but it's not

[timber laurel]

I was more or less meaning try in a group of A bl's, Or just be an A bl in a group of friends.. im not sure, its like grasping at straws rn

[agile edge]

I heard someone today say they saw blue “orbs” show up but they vanished before they could find them. I believe these also might be lighting glitches or something.

[lost lichen]

True ^^ I don't know what we can do anymore... I heard that it must be soloable, but at the same time it's apparently more sociable...
people have tried everything and anything LOGICAL for a dragon, nothing worked.... now I despair... it's frustrating, especially in pve where the only thing to do is nest. except that we need the 4th point of mutation to see these damn recessive genes which are currently blocking us in Abl and in the impossibility of having 0E over several generations...

[fast geyser]

Form who the its has to be more sicialbe even came from? It doesnt make sense if its planned that u can make your own offline server you have no way to social in any way but it still has to be possible to get to elder

[pulsar swift]

My issue is I was flying as a cloaked SS, so might've been some weird reflection from something or other causing the light to appear inside the trees

[sweet flicker]

Apparently even with the 4th point it doesn't do much of a difference anyways 🙄

[lost lichen]

yes I also thought I understood that but I could "throw away" my male IR more quickly and make another one with better stats. It's been 5 days since I served as breeding male on the Sanctuary server xD

[compact reef]

That dude is trolling notice how he didn't show where he was in growth bet he wasn't full adult yet

[lost lichen]

Idk where or who said that. But people said that... who can we trust? :/

[carmine belfry]

Yeah we figired it out. If you look at the image name it shows

[compact reef]

i was just about to say that XD i had to scroll for a little lol

[carmine belfry]

Lmao

[stray notch]

guys

non of u tried testing theories in scaleworx DM? bc u spown elder there

u might just find smthh, i mean eldering should be "cool" later in the proccess so it might be obvious there

[compact reef]

maybe

[plucky cosmos]

i think someone did testing on a DM server

maybe an hour or two ago

its in the history somewhere

[compact reef]

its gonna take me ages but imma run zig zags up and down map and look at everything lol

[carmine belfry]

Good luck lmao

[compact reef]

not zig zags my bad i meant up in down in straight lines XD

yeah see yall in 50 hours

[carmine belfry]

My statement still stands lmao

[compact reef]

lol

[stray notch]

i mean, why are u this desperate

to try and do such a wierd thing

[compact reef]

cause why not we all been doing desperate stuff

id like to call it determined to stumble across something

[stray notch]

hold on gonna talk abt this in a min-

[timber laurel]

??

[pulsar swift]

Been there done that, but flew at semi-low speeds and walked through thick forests where I had to done as SS and ASD to no avail besides stacking hours in this game

[vast valley]

Wut?

[pulsar swift]

I just did lines along map coords like 720-740w, went from down to up, then turned around and moved down along 700-720w

[carmine belfry]

Im confused.

[stray notch]

alright hear me out

[vast valley]

It probably won’t be something that mundane or literal

Jao speaks in riddles, so taking it that literally would probably result in very little (assuming your current tests are based off his clue)

[pulsar swift]

I am calling to reach you regarding your unactivated Windows license

[stray notch]

what if is the answer is lore related
we see this every single time we log in, jrakhon againts the elemental thats pretty much main game lore, -i hate u stone

||jk||

[pulsar swift]

My current tests are based on sheer desperation

[stray notch]

i mean if its so obvious and we just over look it, it might be the think that we usually never care for

[pulsar swift]

The only thing I trust from Jao now is "Its in the game" cause lying to your players about that is a surefire way to lose players

Especially considering the efforts a lot of people are putting in

[vast valley]

I always thought jrakhon was the map- (I think I’m stoopid)

Then again, I don’t read the lore so…………

[stray notch]

one of them is named after the other

jrakhon is the firstborne, the first dragon to ever exist

[pulsar swift]

I always thought Jrakhon was something of an ancient famous old dragon

Yeah, what Tamim said

[stray notch]

and mostly this world is named after him it seems

[vast valley]

So, what, jrakhon the dragon lives in jrakhon thats name after jrakhon the dragon?

[stray notch]

im not gonna lie i didnt even finish reading 1/3 of lore, but i got some info

[compact reef]

dope so i dont have to do it again XD

[vast valley]

“I am Jrakhon, of Jrakhon”

[stray notch]

jrakhon is the leuce FS
"he" (god?!?!?! JAO?!?!?!?) made him to be the firstborne, king of dragons and first of his kind and any kind
then all the flame stalkers are from his breed, and the secondbornes (other dragon/wyvrens/drakes ETC species)

[vast valley]

So FS are the pure-bloods of the ancient god, got it

[stray notch]

secondbornes act like jrakhon of their kind, but he gets the name of firsborne bc.... well yall are smart enought o guess lmao

[vast valley]

Firsties

[stray notch]

yeah im personally confused on what is god in game lore universe

[vast valley]

This is why I made my own lore, lmao

[stray notch]

so, long story short after them go**damn flying bugs started to populate he made first gathering, brought them all to just admit him the king (he desrves it ngl) and he proves he desrves it by saying "im the first borne, and im the first and only one to see and talk with "him" "

also that gathering was made to put some leader and king bc of elementals problem, they were just jumping over from that moon and destroying dragons

aaand all dragons agreed except of the secondborne king of wyvrens and they had some inner wars and some bullsh** lol

[turbid copper]

and that's why fs and ir are enemies? right?

[stray notch]

well, i didnt keep reading i gotta do it now lol idk what happend next

[turbid copper]

oh

[stray notch]

must be? ig?

[turbid copper]

i feel it is

[stray notch]

i never thought in my life a dragon would be chillin' with a wyvern lol they seemed meh

[turbid copper]

yeah

[vast valley]

They’re fr complete opposites ingame ima be honest

[stray notch]

in game? how is that

imo they seem pretty similar (not in look ofc)

why did drakes be good with dragons, in lore and also in game

[turbid copper]

I wonder if there will be any other fire dragon or wyvern in the future of this lore

[vast valley]

FS:
Long and thin fire stream
Thunderous and low roar
Horns everywhere, literally
Sees heat
Primarily offensive

IR:
Short(er) but wider fire stream
Screechier and sharp roar
Does have horns, but claws are obv way longer
IS heat
Offensive, but special ability is obv defensive so we’ll go with that it’s somewhat more primarily defensive

[carmine belfry]

I can see it

[vast valley]

I also have a bit of a non-mechanical theory that the FS fire breath comes straight from some organ or something in its stomach, hence why that glows, while the wyvern’s comes from its veins and arteries, hence why THEY glow. So one is dispersed as more of a literal bile, while the other is basically just hot breath

If that makes sense

Then my final thing is that wyverns usually aren’t as big as they are ingame, they’re more like social group hunters as portrayed in most other media. While, FS are huge and strong and act on their own usually

[stray notch]

makes sense, makes too much sense
but i hate how they lettirally did the wider but shorter fire breath for wyverns in game, i wanna fight for my life man!

[vast valley]

Well they probably did that because of the OP inferno effect for adults. You’re meant to be more of a “mess around and find out”, while FS is just “lemme bite”

In other words, FS is direct, while IR more relies on the opponent being a threat, rather than just running away

[stray notch]

seems like some jrakhon personality kinda like european folklore

talking abt FS

[vast valley]

I know I’m looking very deep into this, don’t take anything I say too seriously, it’s all just me theorising, since I like doing that

[vast valley]

Makes sense, considering he’s a stereotypical European dragon

[stray notch]

what. did that make sense i understood no word sorry?

[vast valley]

I mean that FS are the ones that use their sheer overwhelming strength as a weapon, while wyverns are more deceptive and are better at being more defensively offensive

[stray notch]

no what u said is for real true, i do LOTS of pvp and been testing it in DM few days ago, wyverns SUCK in game for being TOO realistic, i thought it was some balance issue to make it less OP but it was actually for realism

[stray notch]

thats so true lol

but still, doesnt work in PVP balance, its so harmless to plasma and its fire cant stand out with other long-range attacks (acid spit, plasma shots etc)

man i love how they making jrakhon in lore

i mean he MUST be something above ancient dragon, and i remember these being like class 12 in-game from what devs said (correct me if im wrong)

[pulsar swift]

Ancient behemoth perhaps? Ancient primal dragon? Speaking from WoW dragon experience, primals/behemoths tend to be way bigger and way older than the regular dragons. Galakrond is a prime example of an ancient behemoth.

[vast valley]

Ancients were above 1.5x the size of elders

[pulsar swift]

basically equivalent to Ancalagon the Black from LotR lore, except Ancalagon is like planet-sized

[vast valley]

Which was crazy

Made adults looks like juvies

[stray notch]

EI ?!?!?!?

[vast valley]

I wonder if ancients will be achievable in game

[stray notch]

no there was an ancient dragons showcased back in legacy

[vast valley]

El is god, I guess

[stray notch]

they were MASSIVE

[turbid copper]

i hope so

[vast valley]

Damn, y’know, if this is what it takes to find elder, we’ll NEVER find out how to ancient

Unless it becomes exclusive to server owners or admins or smth like in legacy

[stray notch]

bro istg that ancient FS was like half the size of big rock

[turbid copper]

Maybe it will be a different system

[vast valley]

Yeah, I was one

[stray notch]

my god u was

damn

[stray notch]

must be, but the name is quiet mysterious

[turbid copper]

I hope it will be obtainable cuz it would add more to do in the game and keep players playing the game

[stray notch]

man i just realized

FS heat vision was meant to be like always on in caves

that would've been so cool

[carmine belfry]

It would be

[stray notch]

welp, as i thought yeah

[turbid copper]

Well

[fast geyser]

If it didnt came from a dev i would not listen to it and more likely think of something that is possible totaly solo and for groups/clans aswell

[stray notch]

i think NPCs are in game.

[minor hinge]

Did jayo said it a spot the like or dear the most. i just for what spot beside Island

And ice cave Becuse Sir Bacon

I been all over the map and nofen

[fast geyser]

Did someone check the spot of the old ice cave? I mean not the one from bacon

[minor hinge]

i did nofen there

But thay could move it

That it not in game

[stray notch]

my god guys

"flight is for the dragons, swim's for drakes"

THIS is the dragony thing jao meant

ima keep reading, this is eldering.

[minor hinge]

Hell if flying and swimming the case i would be elder by now

[stray notch]

guys thats it, take a fresh hatched egg to the height where the music starts, then make them glide

TEST IT PLEASE

[minor hinge]

done that nofen

[dawn pelican]

drop the baby from above the clouds lol

[minor hinge]

did that

[turbid copper]

lmao

[minor hinge]

i yet baby off to clouds nofen

i done ever so far i can tink of

I still say it not in game

[stray notch]

isnt that odd that "the west" is having a problem down there

[carmine belfry]

Didn't the shadow scale come from the west as well from food shortage?

[stray notch]

yeah, thats why

[minor hinge]

My high one in game that work on elder

[turbid copper]

You reading the new one or is this old?

[stray notch]

thats cool i cant wait to see him 100% elder before we even find out the elder system

[stray notch]

what? there is new/old?

[turbid copper]

idk, i didn't even read it lol

[carmine belfry]

I feel like even with the new updates, the lore wouldnt change a whole lot, juet be updated here and there. I could be totally wrong though. But it seems the world hasnt changed much lore wise

[deft spruce]

its not fireflies, fireflies are more yellow, br cave is white

[carmine belfry]

Br's is pink

Ill send a photo when i get home

[compact kindle]

They are fireflies and pink

Theyre the same fireflies as the island

[hallow mountain]

What is the current theory?

[compact kindle]

I dont think there is one atm

[rough root]

It has been noted that in the future, there will be four mutations points for growth, and three for quests. These quests are from NPCs that will be located in key locations, send our characters out on quests to learn more about the given species lore and so such.

[compact kindle]

Is this recent?

Previously the extra 4 to make 7 was from biome specific quests

[rough root]

Well, relatively I believe. I think it was in a patreon post some time ago.

[compact kindle]

Oohh 10/10 would love to see lore related quests

[rough root]

Could still be biome specific, in all earnest.

But still, we're supposed to find our 'ancestral' dragons. Basically our old wise bros that'll teach us about our species.

But this is not yet in the game.

[compact kindle]

That would be really interesting imo

[bleak python]

I don’t even want to elder anymore; I just want an ice biome so I can use my white skins 🥺