New Elder System

[minor hinge]

0 player was on

[dawn pelican]

well, it will probably not be as easy to figure out since they probably knew most people would put their points in there

[lost lichen]

oooh not a bad idea!!! ill try this!

[dawn pelican]

but nesting people do that without even intending to do that, so dont you think someone shouldve figured that one out by now?

[lost lichen]

In pVE, i though most of people put their points in this X'D

[dawn pelican]

they do, thats my point

when im on 80% of the time im nesting, the other 10% is growing and the last 10% is flying around to either find food or new nesting places (or give bonks)

[celest knoll]

yeah but right now on my server msot people only upstate and delete der unworthy hatchies D:

[dawn pelican]

but they do grow their worthy hatchlings

[celest knoll]

admin grow..
and log off with the parents to not burn their pcs

[dawn pelican]

true

[wooden marsh]

we grow the good hatchies

[dawn pelican]

but lots of people didnt get grows to unlock mela

[wooden marsh]

no grows on officials

[celest knoll]

yeah... jesus this was just in my head cause those 7 skillpoints instead of 4 irritate me xD

[dawn pelican]

and theres probably people who didnt choose the easiest path for that, being the bio XD

[dawn pelican]

they probably just wanted people to be able to use different skills cause 90% would put them into breeding lol

[wooden marsh]

true, unlocking mela with bio is so easy

but yeah idk if nesting has anything to do with eldering, not seen anything to suggest it yet

[celest knoll]

could be and would be crushing down my theory yeah 😅

[languid trout]

Do normal growth ticks always vary in size?

[languid spoke]

depends on dragon type and server speed

[languid trout]

So it should be the same for the same dragon

It would be different if the thing that lets you elder faster was applied to your next growth tick instead of showing you right away

[rapid radish]

Passive elder ticks (on official, normal growth speed):
SS = 1.2%
FS & IR = 0.9%
ASD = 2.1%

These are all confirmed 🙂

I wish I could pin this xD

[devout anvil]

hmmm

[languid trout]

Okie dokie. Just making sure not that something is getting tacked on somewhere for completing the eldering task

[fast geyser]

Do e spawns also get passive elder ticks?
Was on a privat server with an admin grown fs 2 or 3 days ago but the fs now when i loged back in had still 0% elder grow so is that normal or is it something with the server?

[languid trout]

I did when I was an e stat

[dense current]

i have also gotten elder tics on spawn (e stat) dragons

[fast geyser]

Okay thanks then it could be either the server or maybe die to the admin grow?

[rapid radish]

every adult dragon gets passive ticks

[heady trench]

You may have not waited long enough, the tick takes a few moments to appear

[rapid radish]

also to note, the ticks probs have another decimal

[fast geyser]

No i was on the server long enough over 1,5h whith 1 time logging out

[dawn pelican]

did you grow adult in the same session?

[fast geyser]

No that was 3 or 2 days ago from an admin

[dawn pelican]

hm weird

ayo, do yall think thats just a crystal glowing in the distance??

i mean it is at arched so it wouldnt suprise me

[frail salmon]

Test it

[dawn pelican]

think its just a crystal :/

but ill check it out anyways, since i need stam XD

[dense current]

yeah thats arch crystal

[frail salmon]

Could be but it also could be a special one, the rest aren't glowing

[dense current]

you can see it from so far away

[dawn pelican]

sadge

[dense current]

trust i thought the same thing when exploring before that it might be something xD

[dawn pelican]

XD

[lost lichen]

ty! I followed the path of our clan member, he got another 2% elder, me 0... Once again, I think it's because he has his mutation points in agility and I don't ( all in social).
I also suspect that we don't earn elder points directly, but maybe the next day. And maybe you should already have your first tick elder.
So I'm going to wait until tomorrow until I have my first tick elder and I'm going to do the whole route we did today. I'll see if there's any change in him.

Otherwise for elder with points in social, we would have to look at the time we take care of our babies, when we take them in the mouth to transport them, feed them, the number of nests made during the day, or the number of dances that a male does... maybe also try to make nests in very complicated places, like on the top of a snowy mountain, on the branches of very tall trees, on the huge trunk that is lying near the arch, at the top of the ark.... Anyway, try to see if it works^^'

[dawn pelican]

bamboozeled by a crystal 🥲

[rapid radish]

Can you tell the route you took? 🙂

[lost lichen]

so that way I couldn't say, I would have to have the map but I can't find it ^^' I had seen a beautiful one but impossible to find it! you have it ? ^^
otherwise I'm eating my lunch, and I'm going to try to do the route again this evening and note down all the coordinates but it's going to be even longer x'D

and I don't have the impression that we have taken a very long road... I think that it is mainly the fact of having brushed against the water, the tops of the trees, the rocks which may have worked .
I will ask him tomorrow if he was able to get a raise as well.

which could explain that with his points in agility he gained % in elder and me not xD
it's still to be confirmed x'D

And sorry for my english xD

[dawn pelican]

wait i just found out... theres 2 icy mountains?? O.O

[minor hinge]

there 3 icy mountains

para was not icy on the old map

[rapid radish]

This is the map so far the community has

[jagged patrol]

I bugged under the map and found a "Holy" Flower xD

[dawn pelican]

cant see the picture

[minor hinge]

i been loo at old map and new seee what thay move or chage up yes i kown there no shroom

[dawn pelican]

oh nice

wait... maybe im imagining things... but hear me out

[pearl root]

[dawn pelican]

doesnt the bit of land with less trees, including island, arch, snowy mountains and the river look like a dragons head? the lake and the river being the mouth and the nostrils

[rough root]

Alright, let's see... Take a look at this. I don't -think- I've missed things.
Currently, everyone with the link can COMMENT.

If you'd like to be among the "Testers/Editors" team so you can use the "editables" to input theories and results you are testing, please let me know! You are more than welcome to @ me in this thread or send me a private message. If I'm asleep I promise I'll get back to you.

For now, we ask that anything else not be edited without permission. Thank you for your sweat, blood and tears!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KeZduOoVan9TrpKoCjmpO1OzvKfImIOMQLlSiqj_p0E/edit?usp=sharing

This should at least put things together more so we don't end up double-testing.

[rough root]

Got 'em all in the document dear! \o/

[languid spoke]

that is impressive crow

[compact kindle]

ITS HERE!

[languid spoke]

the eon theories i love this lol

[rough root]

Ikr

[rapid radish]

Okay ppl, I spoke to Eon in DMs and he tried to give me more info about the eldering. (It's in the sheet that Crow put up) BUT A WARNING! I haven't been able to prove this to be right, so he might have mixed things or is trolling or straight out lying. So take this info with a grain of salt

[rough root]

BIG time this

We've done a lot of testing on it but... have not been able to prove any of it.

[fresh marsh]

any new theories today?

[rough root]

I also wanna say super special thankuh to @rapid radish and @limber valve for keeping me up to date with things.

[pearl root]

Eat 100 buggs with scavenger 3/3

[fresh marsh]

skimmed the messages since i logged out yesterday, but theres a lot

[rapid radish]

This might be a wild goose chace. You have been warned 😄 He claimed that we need to find pearls (maybe blue ones) in "a forest" specifically during the night. He claims that they spawn very rarely and that you can "only take one".

[rapid radish]

No, thank you, you da best! 💜

I got no screenshots from Eon to back his claims

[dawn pelican]

.>

[rough root]

All of this is a wild goose chase xD

And at least three times as chaotic

[dawn pelican]

if that is correct it is probably only one trial from many i would imagine

well. Time to wait for night i guess

[minor hinge]

What get me it the dum song that play when i was on my ss whit 1 player be on wich was just me the dum start palying when i was on ground out kown where

[dawn pelican]

what forests? the normal ones?

[rough root]

Well, we tried looking around at the coordinates.

It could be elder Forest.

[minor hinge]

it was by br when happing

[rapid radish]

He just said a forest, I tried to ask is it the same forest he took the ss in and maybe?

And this is why I was asking from MArsin about the blue orbs he saw near BT

[rapid radish]

you said BT earlier?

[minor hinge]

yes it was BT for blue orb

[dawn pelican]

what shade of blue? do we have a screenshotß

?*

[minor hinge]

but i not seen any in last few day

i wish i did i was tinking it was my video card so mark it off be that

[rough root]

I tried to show the screens of the pearls to get confirmation.

Hang on.

These are how the pearls from the pearl system look. From an old stream.

[rapid radish]

@minor hinge, did the orbs look like this?

[short pine]

Those pearls are loot drops planned, they boost stats and as far as I know aren't in yet. Like they can increase flame resistance and bite force, and I think there might be some that work better for some species or tiers? IDK.

It wouldn't be out of the question for them to be used for eldering I suppose. We know that pearl like things are current objects, and hoarding shiny things is I guess more fititng for dragons than eating mushrooms?

[rapid radish]

Yeah, that's why I'm even presenting this info, bc pearls are in the game already (skins) and it has been planned to be a thing in game. But as I said, I haven't been able to prove what Eon told me

[dawn pelican]

btw, i also did a fly through ravine earleir and did not get any elder progress. Im a ss with 3 agility points

i started at crater

i also flew through weird looking clouds in the night, they were glowing blueish but i think it was just from the aurora

[short pine]

As far as I have heard, only cosmetic pearls that are account locked are in game. Then again, if I recall right, maybe only Jao and/or the devs know the eldering method so probably wouldn't know if they are in if they aren't privy to it?

[pearl root]

🤯

[rough root]

We know that these pearls are loot drops. However, the way they have been described by different people merely lead us to go "HMM" and thusly, grabbed a screen to ask; Is this it?

[minor hinge]

i tink it was bio going over to bt how thay glow becuse when i got there where i see there was nofen there so scrach that off

[dawn pelican]

if there is cosmetic pearls, theres a good chance theres other pearls as well

[short pine]

I wonder, if they are in, would they be client side, or server side? They are supposed to be not camped, so I am wondering if it is possible for it to be clientside only. Was the player that saw the blue pearl on an SS? I know it's possibly a wild rabbit chase but no harm in asking.

[celest knoll]

when the mods are right: Pearls (besides PT/KS Cosmetics) arent in the game yet.

[minor hinge]

i not see any pearl

[dawn pelican]

i mean, if they spawn at random they wouldnt be campable?

[dawn pelican]

so the theory is disproven already?

[dawn pelican]

hm

i wouldnt trust mods too much tho, wasnt there a thing where mods said the one thing but it was actually the opposite?

[celest knoll]

i guess so yeah. dont know if this guy is trolling right now but it makes me wonder how he can find something not implemented yet 😄

[fresh marsh]

that's talking about the elder tier pearls, not pearls for eldering

[dawn pelican]

well they do seem to be in the game but he shouldnt be able to pick them up if hes not elder

[short pine]

Ah, alright, so that was probably the tier thing I was remembering.
Generally, the mods shouldn't know anything about what is required to eder unless they have already personally made progress from eldering by finding the way to.
Eon did sound like a troll on that day, but more theories wouldn't hurt.

[dawn pelican]

but what would elder pearls be for if your already elder?

[fresh marsh]

os i assume it is

[dawn pelican]

os?

[fresh marsh]

to improve stats

[dawn pelican]

hm

[rough root]

Again, these are under the old theories for a reason xD

[dawn pelican]

yeah, i didnt even hear from this theory before this

[rough root]

None have been able to see the same.

[fresh marsh]

the equippable pearls improve stats by a % and come in different tiers

[dawn pelican]

oh ok

[fresh marsh]

if im remembering correctlyt

[rapid radish]

well devs don't tell mods everything and if even parrot doesn't (it's been claimed) doesn't know how to elder....

[pearl root]

No pearls.

[short pine]

Admins don't know either technically. Admins and Mods are community turned staff, not developers.

[dawn pelican]

like i said, wouldnt trust them too much

[rapid radish]

bc I talked about it in DMs with Eon and tried to prove it before bringing it to you, but couldn't

[fresh marsh]

if theres a pearl that just increases elder growth as a consumable, they may not be counting it

or it may not be a pearl, but the few people who have seen it are calling it one

[short pine]

All in all, I would more look out for the pearls as a sideline, not as a main theory. If you are testing something travel related, You can still keep an eye out?

[fresh marsh]

like a small asteroid

[dawn pelican]

gosh we need a hint man ._.

[celest knoll]

thats not fully true, Mods only know what they get told like they got told the elder system is in but not how it works. 🙂

[fresh marsh]

the last mod that was talking about it yesterrday said they dont know anything, but then said something that sounded a lot like a hint before logging off for a nap

[rough root]

The Eon Theories started in here 🙏

[dawn pelican]

what did they say?

[rough root]

Then IsoMasu was able to get more info in DMs later. Not that it lead to anything but boi did we all try xD

[fresh marsh]

#1209681807746801724 message

[dawn pelican]

well, thats not really a good hint .-. XD

that could still mean so much

[short pine]

Yes, they do, but so far we only have one confirmed developer who knows how to elder. Admins and mods wouldn't know the exact method, so if it is something hidden in the server (anything like extra assets not from noremal gameplay) it wouldn't really be something they would know to say 'it isn't that'?
Pearls I still wouldn't put stock in as being it, but still wanted to say that admins/mods wouldn't have all the information.

[fresh marsh]

but randomly spawning pearl/asteroids would work on all maps, so that theory does fit

[dawn pelican]

imagine the way to elder is just sleeping

[limber valve]

Glad you’re back!

[rough root]

There is a pearl that's essentially "Elder Pearl" which increases the amount of elder growth you get.

But we have no idea if THAT one is in.

[rough root]

So glad to BE back!

[fresh marsh]

im talking about the consumable eon theory

[dawn pelican]

was that stated by the devs?

[fresh marsh]

not the equippable pearl

[celest knoll]

well when the dev said: No pearls right now, they know exactly this and why should wie distrust our mods but trust some random dude? 😄
I havent seen one pearl since day 1 of 1.0 and i played around atleast 40 hours since 1.0 release.
i trust them when they tell me: No pearls atm cause my own experience says yeah no pearls somewhere

[vale mortar]

I dont think its gonna be pearls - cause camping

[rough root]

It does exist, yes. It was shown in a patreon post I believe it was, where you could see all the pearls. But we do not know if that's what THIS is.

[dawn pelican]

still, if they spawned at random locations, they wouldnt be campable

[rough root]

There are even pearls that change your element "appearance" - so you can breathe blue fire as an FS for example.

[rapid radish]

I haven't seen any devs saying this, only mods and admins 🤔

[fresh marsh]

we are also only calling the things from the theory pearls cause the people that supposedly found them called them that

[celest knoll]

🤦🏻‍♂️
Again Mods can only tell what devs say.
Mods said: No pearls..

[dawn pelican]

it could just be shaped similary to a pearl

[short pine]

I don't trust Eon and thought they were a troll. I'll entertain the pearl idea as a 'might as well look while testing other things' but that is as far as I am going. I am saying that the mods and admins are just as clueless as the rest of us with everything involving this system. That's all, not more, not less.

[fresh marsh]

if they ARE astreroids or something like that then all the rules on pearls dont matter

[rough root]

I don't think any of us is truly trusting anyone saying they found something xD

[dawn pelican]

fr XD

[rapid radish]

And also I never said I trust Eon, but I wanted to bring the info I had to your knowledge

[rough root]

But we're checking everything out with GUSTO!

Theories are theories for a reason 🙏

[celest knoll]

sure they even dont know but when they get told, there are pearls in game, why should they tell us then "nope no pearls ingame", thats the point.
i dont think they lied when they said: No pearls

[rapid radish]

The same reason they sometimes answer wrong in ask-questions; they aren't being updated. 😅

[short pine]

Because they are told nothing about Eldering. If there was a hidden Ancient Bio that was 3x the size of a Behemoth hidden 5 feet under the map we had to talk to, they wouldn't know about it and say there are no ancients.

[fresh marsh]

again, they might not technically be pearls

[celest knoll]

nah its fine you dont get my point. 😄

[rapid radish]

And devs don't tell everything to mods 😄 Source; my friend who is also a mod 😄

[celest knoll]

and i got a different info from a mod so who is wrong 😄

[rapid radish]

both of us? xD

[celest knoll]

maybe xD

[rapid radish]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[celest knoll]

i mean yeah you are right in some way, they get dont every info like they know there is some kind of eldering system but they too dont know how it works and this one mod ssaid to, They only know that pearls will come but right now only the cosmetic ones are in game and nothing else pearl related

[rough root]

That's why they're rooting for us 🤣

[dawn pelican]

the mods? XD

[rough root]

Aye xD

They wanna know just as bad as we do

[crystal ibex]

I was considering the random spawned pearl last night, maybe around shorelines but I've been looking at all the large bodies of water, rivers, and the small places.

[compact kindle]

Loot is confirmed not to be in the game. Pearls are not here outside the cosmetic codes

[dawn pelican]

the point still stands... it might not be pearls but something else

[rough root]

Precisely. When the world 'pearl' is used, it is a bit of a stretch.

Since noone can confirm it, it may VERY well be something else than the ACTUAL pearls.

[dawn pelican]

eon said it was a pearl right? there is still the language barrier

[rapid radish]

I'm just repeating what Eon told me, I'm not telling this as a truth 😄

[rough root]

Precisely

I'll add an addendum about it in the docs

[keen basin]

Docs?

[dawn pelican]

.

[rapid radish]

He first said "circles that aren't circles" and then I asked if it's like a ball like a pearl and he said, "oo manga perlas" which is "yes blue pearls" 😄 Also MagicGoat has translated our convo and agrees that Eon was talking about pearls in a forest during the night

[dawn pelican]

god we need that pinned XD

[dawn pelican]

but there is still the possibility of him mistaking it for pearls

[rough root]

Exactly, we had a few on the translator part and we all got the same sort of stuff.

[crystal ibex]

Jao has not confirmed or denied that there is a type of pearl in game just for this

[rapid radish]

@compact berry would it be possible to get Crows doc pinned on this convo, pretty pls? ^^

[crystal ibex]

The functionality is there in game

[rough root]

Jao is having a good ol' laugh here

[dawn pelican]

for me, it sounds like the most likeley theory rn so ill be looking into it.

[dawn pelican]

i dont think he has the time to read all of this XD

[fresh marsh]

ive been in that area, just waiting for night

stillk flying around in case the only at night thing was wrong

[dawn pelican]

haha im waiting too XD

do you know a good spot with food close to there?

[rough root]

Nah, but he knows we're running around like headless chickens xD

[fresh marsh]

the pond with the big tree and a log has bug spawns nearby

[rough root]

Two I believe

[fresh marsh]

yeah

[rough root]

I've been moidering them relentlessly

[dawn pelican]

whats the cords

[rough root]

It's in the docs as well

[fresh marsh]

theres another pond with a big tree and a llog partially in the water nearby that aslo has bugs

[rapid radish]

499S x 610W

[crystal ibex]

You probably can't see the pearls from the sky, try going on ground.

[rapid radish]

I have these coords etched in my cornias xD

[dawn pelican]

can we ask an admin to pin the docs link or smt?

[rapid radish]

I pinged hivemind already

[fresh marsh]

yeah pinning that would be huge, ogananization is the main thing we are missing right now

[compact kindle]

Genuine question, How will you pick up an item when you have no inventory?

[fresh marsh]

it might just be consumed

[dawn pelican]

maybe you eat it?

[fresh marsh]

or absorb it or something mystical like that

[crystal ibex]

You have an inventory

It's the pearl page

[compact kindle]

Your inventory is 0/0

[fresh marsh]

i dont think its something that goes in your inventory if it exists

[compact kindle]

Because its not enabled on Survival maps

[fresh marsh]

but im just guessing

[rough root]

I've turned comments on in it, meaning anyone can suggest changes and comments here and there. Anyone who'd like to edit in it and use the "Editables" to do their own testing can poke me so I can add their email (allowing them to edit)

It's essentially just to keep any trolls out who'd just delete it all xD

[short pine]

But yes, pearls are an inventory for the person you asked, including a carryweight function (maybe not functional yet) and the option to drop things.

[dawn pelican]

maybe even keep a safe file of it=

just in case

[rough root]

Yup that I am

[rough root]

What's the third one? Gold, shimmer, jelly flies and...?

[zealous urchin]

creator

[rough root]

AH

[short pine]

Oh, There are two shimmers, KS and PT shimmers are seperate pearls.

Nah I don't have CC

[rough root]

Ooooohhh

[crystal ibex]

Consider this, if there is a pearl that enables active eldering it may not even have a carry weight

[rough root]

Well, there COULD be creator too I suppose xD

[rough root]

Aaaah, thank you 🙏

[short pine]

sorry to derail just wanted to help answer the inventory question but glad i could at least be helpful with that rn

[rough root]

Absolutely! Dw, it's all good <3

[dawn pelican]

so the pearl was supposidly fouhnd in the redwoods?

in elder forest?

[rough root]

From Eon? Supposedly.

[dawn pelican]

ok

[fringe badge]

So are we killing bugs in hopes of a pearl?

[fresh marsh]

nope, theres a few people going back to the eon theory

seeing if we can find the object they said spawns in the forest

[fringe badge]

What is the current, most probable theory

[rough root]

Please note that if anything ever looks weird on this...? It's because Peanut (bird) has jumped on the keyboard.

[fresh marsh]

there really isnt one

[rapid radish]

Eon didn't mention anything about killing bugs

[dawn pelican]

it depends on your viewpoint i guess. For me its the pearl/meteorite theory. The eldering system is supossed to be grindy, with something spawning randomly scaterred across the map and being very rare we can check that. It is supossed to be non campable, since its random we can check that as well. The only thing that is doesnt completeley check is the dragony thing

[fringe badge]

Cool

And no hints still?

[dawn pelican]

nope

[crystal ibex]

the dragony thing is treasure probably, pearls are treasure. Dragons collect treasure.

[dawn pelican]

true

and the relation to smaug would be there too, wanting treasures so you search for them (maybe thats a little bit too far out the window)

[turbid yoke]

if it's that simple imma scream so hard

[dawn pelican]

XD

[turbid yoke]

but on my way to find some

[dense current]

its gonna be something simple and all of us can scream together

[turbid yoke]

theyll hear us roar XD

[dawn pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/lion-king-simba-roar-cute-lion-cub-gif-17303165

[crystal ibex]

I mean, it's something that can be done in all game modes. Survival, pvp, and later fantasy

Without it being campable if it's random

[dawn pelican]

that is true too

[turbid copper]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-game-of-thrones-drogon-gif-3959922563601735887

[fresh marsh]

the only think about this meteor/pearl theory is i dont think it could sustain an entire server

[crystal ibex]

And a solo player can do it

[dawn pelican]

jao did say that he didnt like how many elders there are

[turbid lynx]

My only issue with that is the fact that the devs said that the pearls aren’t in the game yet

[dawn pelican]

STILL it doesnt have to be a peaaaarrrrrll

.-.

[fresh marsh]

yeah i dont know why people arent getting that

[crystal ibex]

Jao did not confirm or deny that

[fresh marsh]

it could just be an orb or asteroid

[fair turret]

I'm trying not to give up but it's hard

[dawn pelican]

we should rename it ._.

[fair turret]

I've searched all the craters

no sign of a thing

[dawn pelican]

im not calling it pearl anymore im calling it orb

[fair turret]

O R B

[celest knoll]

But it's somehow like the old shrooms and he also said, he disliked the shrooms.
So something colletable would be against his words.

[turbid lynx]

Even still, we can barely pick up hatchie bodies now
Let alone a mystic space rock or something lol

[dawn pelican]

he did say that but he didnt say in what way he didnt like them

[dense current]

as someone who does a bunch of hatchie ubers this is so real xD

[dawn pelican]

maybe he didnt like them cause they werent fantasy enough? maybe he didnt like them cause they spawned at the same location every time? maybe he didnt like that some of them spawned in a certain time frame

[fresh marsh]

might haqve just disilike the fact that they are shrooms and that they had set locations that people could camp

[turbid copper]

And it was kinda competitive

[celest knoll]

With his other statements like new elder system will be more social and so on I don't think it's something to pick up as it would encourage camping again and people will find ways to camp them

[fringe badge]

I thiiink maybe we should avoid trying to dissect the psychology of the developer bc that's where things get topsy turvey

[fresh marsh]

ddoes the info panel just always say morning?

[fringe badge]

yes its busted

[dawn pelican]

maybe the social part is that you have to have a big search group to find them?

[compact berry]

Where doc

[fresh marsh]

when did he say it was going to be more social?

[dawn pelican]

.

[dawn pelican]

there it is

[celest knoll]

Must have been and older qna if I remember correct but I'm not sure 🤔

[rapid radish]

It wasn't collectible that was the problem, the shroom eating was the problem 😄

[dawn pelican]

finally getting dark ingame x(

[fair turret]

I'd rather slap a lion's butt in a pair of pork chop panties than farm SHROOMS again

[celest knoll]

Maybe but then it would be collectable for everyone then?
Not only for one person?
When not, it would encourage the competitive thinking like shrooms more

[dawn pelican]

true, we will see

[short pine]

I think he had said that hunting for and eating mushrooms wasn't something he thought a dragon would do, and that it shouldn't be campable. But otherwise nothing about collecting something I think?

So no confirming or denying that part.

[rapid radish]

He said in the last Q&A that he wants the game to be social

[celest knoll]

Mhh nearly everything you can collect can be camped in some way that's why I denied that idea in my brain.
Orbs somewhere on the ground?
Can be camped.
Some specific locations?
Can be camped in pvp

[fresh marsh]

the game in general? or eldering specifically

[dawn pelican]

did he say that related to eldering?

[dawn pelican]

thats why im saying they might be random

[rapid radish]

He said that in relation of the skin crafting

[dawn pelican]

then it doesnt mater for the eldering probably

[lost lichen]

Nice! Ill draw my route in this so 😄

and I was also thinking about the social points. To become an elder, maybe being in a group, and helping out a lot for a nest (bringing food, taking care of the little ones until they are adults or old enough to fly, bringing food to the mother) could allow you to gain % elder. It would still be logical xD in addition to making the nest in places that are difficult to access.

[rapid radish]

Also to note, Eon did say "you can only take one", what ever that means

[dawn pelican]

we will see

[fresh marsh]

if the orbs spawn randomly over a wide area, it would be much harder to camp

[rapid radish]

Remember to take a screenshot, if you find an orb 😄

[languid trout]

“Can only take one” might make things more social if each individual can only take one then call out for others to take from whatever holds them

[dawn pelican]

got a search squad ready XD

[rough root]

I got so scared, I'm working and suddenly I get pinged and I go !?!?!?

Thank you Hivemiiiind ❤️

And Shen xD

For scaring me

[jagged patrol]

I searched with my Team in the night pearls in the Elder Forest - we found nothing

[rapid radish]

welcome to the club xD

[rough root]

Yyyyup

Spent a good four hours around the "Eon Spot" and the Big Log myself xD

[languid trout]

Has anyone noticed moon phases or anything? Not that things spawn in rotations

[rapid radish]

"Eon spot" xD

[rough root]

Shen how'd you get the "Random Skin"? xD

[dawn pelican]

its iconic

[rough root]

Oh I thought it was that one named random skin that's literally just all blue. I love it xD

[pulsar swift]

Where is this eon spot if I may ask? So I dont start digging too deeply

[rough root]

Right. I'm going back to work so I can go to bed for the day

[rapid radish]

still the old 499 S x 610W about

[pulsar swift]

Ah yeah, I nested there for a bit but there's a couple of hidden-ish spots in the area.

[jagged patrol]

My Clan territory on our server. If you have to go there to elder, I have to give up the area >.> xD

[winged leaf]

idk if this is a bug or smt but i found this in the cave under the arch next to the lil pond >.> looks interesting

[fresh marsh]

looks like the roots of a tree above the cave

just clipping through

[winged leaf]

aight

[hot ferry]

Curious if anyone has tried searching those areas in first person. To "be the dragon"

[dawn pelican]

we got an even bigger suqad XD

we are 5 people looking rn lmao

[rough root]

Well you're certainly social? xD

[dawn pelican]

LMAO

[sly cedar]

Has anyone tried making a full group of jsut the same species?

That's pretty social...

[lost lichen]

indeed, i haven't try this yet! ^^

[sly cedar]

but how big are group sizes?

is it different per server type? can;t remember

[fresh marsh]

i THINK 10 but im not sure

i know ive been in a group of 9

[sly cedar]

That shouldn't be too hard t aquire...

test it! lol I'm on a PvE server and everyone is simply nesting xD, mostly all Irs and Bios. maybe SS. I feel like the only FS chillign and I doin't feel liek switching lol

[languid spoke]

instead of group what about same species clan

[short pine]

There's an official server without clans.

sorry was flying
There's a solo pvp server that doesn't have clans, to clarify. If it needed clans, wouldn't that exclude an entire official server?

[sly cedar]

while i get that lore wise, filling an entire clan and then the server to get an Elder tick seems... hard lol

[fresh marsh]

i dont know how a clan with the same species would work, would it canel the entire thing if one person switched dragons?

[languid spoke]

it does yea, but for the "social" aspect, group may not count?

dunno, just throwing out options lol

[sly cedar]

we know xD

appreciated

[fresh marsh]

oh i know, im not trying to shoot it down

just trying to work things out

[languid spoke]

but agreed, wouldn't be the easiest option or possibly possible

[dawn pelican]

havnt found anything yet

[sly cedar]

in addition to this same species group test, stay alive all together for a time?

would be easy as cake I guess in PvE though...

[dawn pelican]

i gotta head to bed, we didnt find anything but the others will keep looking

[fresh marsh]

im still looking too

[dawn pelican]

i remembered the circle stuff and the "in the waters" or "by the waters" so you might have to fly around the tree with the lake and the log

maybe he meant just looking around with the circles?

[rapid radish]

the other info is from my discussion with him after he left the server

[sly cedar]

I flew one circle around Bio Lake on my FS. nothign happened. was carryign nothing.

though ig tbf I wasn't entirely on the outside rim. may have slightly cut corners... but... I htought of that earlier too.. but idk. :/

[dawn pelican]

He also stated he doesn't know the exact time so it could be at any time in the night/morning

[sly cedar]

oh yeah. then I flew at night.

[dawn pelican]

I'm talking about the orb theory

[drifting frost]

I start to wonder if it's something that's unique for each player that they have to find. Similar idea to mushies, but only one player can see it and it's specifc to them, and likely spawns at complete random

[sly cedar]

somsone suggested something clientside erlier

[dawn pelican]

That could be the case since that wouldn't be capable and very grindy since Noone can help you

[drifting frost]

Yeah i'm thinking perhaps something to do with the orb theory holds merit, but only you can see the orb, and perhaps only one is active on the entire map at a time. You find one, have to go find the next etc

[dawn pelican]

That's a good theory

[drifting frost]

Makes it very grindy, can't be camped etc. But then it doesn't work for the social aspect, so I'm not sure. That's my theory currently as I'm running through the map

[dawn pelican]

We already said the aspect suspect was meant for the skin crafting system not the eldering system

[drifting frost]

Ahh i misunderstood then

[echo pagoda]

Maybe an 'task' has to be completed to spawn what you need?

[sly cedar]

What orb we talkin about?

[drifting frost]

THe pearl/orb theory by Eon

[dawn pelican]

We went back to eons theory

[drifting frost]

And I believe the document mentions someone else having seen some blue glowy stuff

[dawn pelican]

Yep

[drifting frost]

But yeah, I'm almost willing to bet on the fact that it's client side, only visible to you, and likely completely random

[rapid radish]

eon actually was very adamant, that it's during the night only 🤔

[sly cedar]

well night does last 2 hours apparantly... 🤔

[dawn pelican]

Hm, maybe that's a translation error then, or he might have not known it for sure at that point

[rapid radish]

Marsin

[rapid radish]

This new info is after he left the server and from DMs between me and him

[dawn pelican]

Well ima head to bed now, good luck to everyone who is still looking. I'll catch up tomorrow

[fresh marsh]

good night!

[rapid radish]

Good night ^^

[echo pagoda]

You're vision changes when you're sick. Maybe something only shows when you're sick enough?

[drifting frost]

Goodnightt!! ^^ I'll be looking for some time, testing my theory on an official server

[rapid radish]

that has been tested too xD

[echo pagoda]

Damn 😦

[dawn pelican]

Remember it needs to be able to be done on all maps. Probably not all maps will have mushrooms or poisonous stuff

[drifting frost]

And if I find anythin, I will screenshot and screen record, so we don't just go off of 'allegedly' xD

[sly cedar]

it's about to be Daylight in my server. Dawn approaches...

[lost lichen]

This is our route that we took today. I'm waiting to see if tomorrow I have any improvements on my dragons.

If not, I'll wait until I earn my first tick elder and I'll start again.

And if I still have nothing, I will try to make nests in more complicated places and take care of the family (which would be logical with the social points I have).

[rapid radish]

Thnak you so much!!

@rough root

[lost lichen]

tell me if u have something with this ^^ U have points in ability?

[rough root]

Mmuh? OH

I'll add this immediately

[rapid radish]

I don't, but I can make a dragon with points in agility 😄

[lost lichen]

Ho, can u add me in ur document please? 😄

[dawn pelican]

Oh wait I forgot. I can probably fully debunk the agility thing at least regarding the "flying close to stuff" I've graced more trees in elder forest on my search for the orbs then what I wanna admitt

[lost lichen]

okay ;p

[rapid radish]

That map Lyndoriel gave us is a journey their clan mate did and might have gotten elder growth with it.

[dawn pelican]

Yeah that's why I said at least the "flying close to stuff"

[drifting frost]

The only issue I have with that theory is what about ASDs? Unless it's specific per dragon, and each species has their own journey to make

[rough root]

You can be added as an editor so long as I get an email yes! That's the way google docs work. Currently asking that theories and tests people input be added to the "Editables" section. Every day I'll be sure to look over what has been input and update any of the current/ongoing theories up above

[rapid radish]

They can run this trip tho 😅

[lost lichen]

Indeed. My friend took it yesterday, AFTER winning his first elder tick.
And it started to go from 0.9% (first tick elder for IR), to 24% this afternoon. He's all about agility. 🙂

[drifting frost]

Oh I thought the snowmountains were too steep :o I take back what I said!

[rapid radish]

I haven't tried to run this tho, so I might be wrong then

[lost lichen]

sure, ill send u my email in message 🙂

[rapid radish]

Just trying to be open to all ideas 😅

[rough root]

The image has been inserted as a link to the full scale, so we can see all the notes on it 🙏

[rapid radish]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-thankyou-enough-gif-25170543

[drifting frost]

Absolutely same! ^^

[rough root]

No u <3

Also yes, anyone can ping me anytime in here. If I'm asleep I promise I'll get back to it when I AWAKEN.

[lost lichen]

Maybe ASD can do it too if they have their agility points. For example jumping very long distances/heights, running very long, swimming very long... I admit I don't play ASD much^^'

[drifting frost]

I would test it myself but I'm currently testing my own theory and don't have a grown ASD ;-;

[fresh marsh]

im currently searching for the orbs on my asd, but i put its points in social

i didnt decide to passive elder this until after i grew it

when i saw how big the passive ticks for asd were

[rapid radish]

Who has 4 or more passive ticks with their SS, FS and ASD? I already have data on IR. I wanna calculate the specific values for one passive elder tick per species, but I don't have the data on my own dragons :p And these have to be on official servers

[fresh marsh]

im at 18.7% on my asd

[rapid radish]

and how many ticks do you have?

[fresh marsh]

i dont know exactly, more than 4 for sure though

[rapid radish]

I need the exact data, otherwise cannot math 😄

[fresh marsh]

its around 2% per tick, theres some rounding going on in the background

[rapid radish]

Yes, I know it's "around" 2.1%, but I want the missing decimals 😄

Just my pet project 😄

[fresh marsh]

im just giving you what i have

[rapid radish]

yep, thank you for trying ^^

[sly cedar]

My FS only has 2 ticks. went from .9 to 1.8. math checks out for that lol

[fresh marsh]

my ss had 1.3 (i think) first tick, 2.5 the second, and is at 3.8 on the third

i know for sure the 2.5 and 3.8 are correct, and im fairly sure 1.3 on the first one is right but someone made me question it and cant be 100% sure

[sly cedar]

mathematically that is incorrect for addition.

it's close, bit the middle number should be 2.6 then 3.9

[fresh marsh]

no

[rapid radish]

ss 3rd tick is 3.8 and the 4th is 5.0

[fresh marsh]

it was 2.5 and 3.8 for sure

[rapid radish]

but I need more than that

[sly cedar]

hmmmmm\

[fresh marsh]

you may not have the full number

might not stop at the tenth

[sly cedar]

I jsut added 1.3 3 times. and true

[rapid radish]

that's why I want 4 ticks or more info 🙂

bc right now SS is either 1.26 or 1.25

[sly cedar]

If this is true... then that kinda sucks.... lol imagine larger beasties

[rapid radish]

so I need more data on that

[fresh marsh]

could be 1.26

or somerthing like that

[rapid radish]

thta's why I need more data 😄

[rough root]

I think I found out what the orange lines are xD

[rapid radish]

they are bleeding 😄

[sly cedar]

...? red lines. blood trail

[rough root]

There seems to be a difference between BUG corpses and DRAGON corpses.

[fresh marsh]

i THINK they are dragon corpses

[rough root]

Orange = bug and red = drragon

[pulsar swift]

I think orange/red/deeper red represents bleeding on a dragon

Atleast orange has often led me to an injured dragon

[rough root]

I don't know about bleeding dragon, but I could test it out

[fresh marsh]

oo that one would be easy to test

i dont know anyone on my server though

[slender comet]

so what do i hear about this Orb theory? i been trying to keep up with that chat to see but im lost of what we know about that

[rapid radish]

look at the doc Crow made ^^

[drifting frost]

Orange is definitely bug corpse and red seems to be blood spots on the floor

[slender comet]

Link please?

[fresh marsh]

its pinned

at the top theres a thumbtack icon

[slender comet]

found it ty, not used to using these form style chats ^^"

[fresh marsh]

yeah

[rough root]

Gonna be taking some pictures of the various scent markers 👍

[minor hinge]

what get me why is there just 1 bug at 499 S x 610W

[fresh marsh]

theres two in that area

[minor hinge]

there is

i just see 1

[jagged patrol]

there are 2 ^^

[minor hinge]

wth why i cant stiff for it ?

[fresh marsh]

one here

[fresh marsh]

thats a better guide lol

[minor hinge]

ty

but are thay around the water ?

i now one is

[jagged patrol]

They are out of render distance

Bug 1: 482.8 S x 617.5 W
Bug 2: 471.3 S x 629.9 W

[minor hinge]

ok ty

i found it

[fresh marsh]

suns finally going down on my server

[minor hinge]

did someone say thay took a bug to crater to sacfice it ?

or was that trolling

[jagged patrol]

If you are an admin you can use the command /ct to change the time.

like:
/ct 0700 7AM
/ct 2100 9PM

[fresh marsh]

im doing all my testing on official servers

[rough root]

Same same

[sly cedar]

Man if Jao ends up changing the Elder system because we can't find it soon enough, he better at least tell us the old method. :/ this is insane lol

[rapid radish]

Do you know how many ticks you have Marsin?

[minor hinge]

i tink 4

[rapid radish]

ss 4th is 5.0%

[minor hinge]

but that old pic

[fresh marsh]

its more than 4

[rapid radish]

Okay, let me do some math here then

[fresh marsh]

oh i didnt see the ss screen shot

was just looking at asd

[minor hinge]

that now

[rapid radish]

Marsin, I need to know the amount of ticks, to get the math correct

[fresh marsh]

im one tick below his at 18.7

[rapid radish]

ok, i will try to see if I can math it out

[minor hinge]

4 or 5 i lost track sorry

but that old pic of ss

i can get new if you like

[devout anvil]

has someone figured it out yet?

[rapid radish]

No, I need the tick amount

I need 2 values; the growth % AND how many ticks is that from

then I can calculate the actual growth amount per tick

[rapid radish]

Nope :/

[minor hinge]

i tink 4 or 5 mybe 6 i lot track of it

i just play game hunt and drink

[rapid radish]

also is that from official?

[fresh marsh]

my ss is at 5.0 and im pretty sure its the 4th tick

[rapid radish]

On official btw? 🙂

[fresh marsh]

yeah

[rapid radish]

yes, that is right, I have the same

[fresh marsh]

im doing everything on official as a baseline

[rapid radish]

same 😄

[fresh marsh]

if in the lore asteroids come from the moon, is it possible the orbs spawn once the moon is in a certain spot in the sky?

assuming they spawn in the first place of course

[minor hinge]

there the new one so hope help

[rapid radish]

well kind of yes and not, bc you don't know the amount of ticks 😅

but thank you anyway ^^

[minor hinge]

sorry

[fresh marsh]

we do though

[rapid radish]

at least now I know that is one of the tick amount

[fresh marsh]

we know 5.0 is 4

[rapid radish]

6.3 is 5th

if the tick is 1.25, then that is 7th?

[fresh marsh]

means hes gotta be on the 6th

7th*

[rapid radish]

no, bc from 6.3 to 8.8 is 2.5

but I kinda wanna know if the tick is 1.25 or 1.26 😅

but at least it's one of those 😄

[minor hinge]

how will i kown that

or to find out the ticks

[rapid radish]

you need to follow them as you elder

[minor hinge]

ok i try

[rapid radish]

you cannot retroactively calculate them (YET)

but after I'm done, you will know 😄

I just need accurate data ^^

[minor hinge]

sorry i just play i dont keep up whit that

if i elder i just keep going lol

[rapid radish]

no worries, you have given me more data on the ticks anyway 🙂

[minor hinge]

ok

but right it 8.8% so i keep eye on it

for ss

wait how many ticks we get ?

1 or 2

[bleak python]

you get one every 8-12 hours

[rapid radish]

every 12 hrs

same as legacy

[minor hinge]

i been get 2

1 in moring and 1 at night

[last minnow]

yea thats bc its every 12h

[fresh marsh]

this is the second night ive flown around and still no orbs

[compact kindle]

Everyone still doing the orb theory?

[fresh marsh]

i dont know aabout everyone

im just one person

and its the easiest theory for me to test right now

[compact kindle]

Im pretty sure youre always roaming around the map

Youre the adventureers spirit here, jumping off mountains on ASDs

[fresh marsh]

not super interested in nesting, so this is how i enjoy the game right now

[compact kindle]

Yeah thats fair :3

[fresh marsh]

passing time until blitz and elementals are in

[compact kindle]

Find anything interesting so far?

[fresh marsh]

so far the only things that my mind keeps picking up are the places with fireflies, the jellies on bio island and this orb theory

[compact kindle]

[fresh marsh]

im pretty sure they just use the fireflies for lighting, but part of me likes the idea of them being used to mark significant places

but i only know of three places, and nothing i tried at any of them did anything

[compact kindle]

Im trying to think of places they are that isnt the island or a cave

[fresh marsh]

theres a small cave near the river in elder forest that has green fireflies

im like 90% sure they are just a lore friendly way to light caves and bio island

but gotta check everything

throwing in the towel on the orbs for a bit, ill egt the co-ords on that small cave real quick in case anyone else wants to try anything

[compact kindle]

Oh what the heck, is that in the old ASD Cave?

When did they open it??? It was closed literally two days ago

[languid spoke]

i don't think that's the old asd cave

[compact kindle]

THats the only river I can think of south

[fresh marsh]

i found it a few days ago, didnt think anything of it until i saw fireflies somwhere else

[languid spoke]

it might be at a different spot than old asd cave

[fresh marsh]

its pretty small

[languid spoke]

i'm slow growing an asd right now to unlock mela on a second account, i'm gonna run up there after it hits adult lol

i'm WAY west of it atm

[compact kindle]

Im swapping dragons now to take a look XD

[languid spoke]

sweet

[compact kindle]

Cant be arsed running with the ASD up there

[compact kindle]

Im pretty sure i recognize the entrance tho

[fresh marsh]

i the e xpirementing i did yesterday was on asd, i thought maybe since the fireflies were green and asd was acid

[north vector]

me n a few friends have been studying the crystals, some of them seem to be almost pulsing at different times of day. it might just be the lighting but there’s gotta be smth about the crystals i feel

[languid spoke]

we went down the crystal rabbit hole for like 3 or 4 days lol

that and becoming a jedi

[fresh marsh]

this shows almost the whole cave, theres a little bit to the left and right, but not much

[languid spoke]

we are not jedi's still sadly, nor did we find anything to do with the crystals

[rapid radish]

Those poor crystals xD

[pulsar swift]

I just started thinking, has anyone tried to eat bios as adult dragons?

[fresh marsh]

yeah

my asd was raised on bio breeding rejects on bio isdland, and i ate more as an aadult before i went out exploring

[languid spoke]

bios gosh

😂

[fresh marsh]

asd is immune to their poison

[compact kindle]

Yeah its up there with ASD cave

Not the entrance I thought it was tho

Rock at the end looks like something belongs on it XD

[fresh marsh]

yeah i was thinking the same thing

maybe ill bring a bug to it

[compact kindle]

Not me trying to open my map that doesnt exist

[languid spoke]

not me yeeting off a cliff at full asd sprint on the way to river

[fresh marsh]

set a bug on that rock and tried emoting, sitting, laying, sleeping, and shooting bile at it

nothin

all on ss

[languid spoke]

yea nothing happening on asd either. pretty sure fireflies are aesthetic only

makes a great place to hide a nest tho

[rapid radish]

did you court it too? xD

[compact kindle]

Thats what I was thinking, we need a thread dedicated to points of interest around the map

[fresh marsh]

no! i forgot about that one D:

[rapid radish]

what if that would have been the answer xDDDDD omg I would die of laughter xD

[fresh marsh]

LOL

new bug coming up!

courting the bug did nothing, i also tried the paid emotes, even though i know they wouldnt put it behind a paywall

[compact kindle]

what if its an NPC Cave

Someone desereves to sit on the mini throne

[fresh marsh]

it kinds looks like it would be

im all out of ideas, think its time for a break

[compact kindle]

Mood

[rapid radish]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-it-dana-freeling-dominique-dunne-poltergeist-what's-that-gif-8097948645397413476

[pliant ice]

if courting a bug would do it I'd laugh sm

[unborn ice]

pride rock is suppose to be flight rock and veiw point is suppose to be pride

[rapid radish]

I'm not the map maker, just shared a community made in https://discord.com/channels/576933363672285186/1208397293951123456 🙂

[crystal ibex]

I used to be really into irl dragon folklore. I remember there are Chinese dragons with pearls as a staple of their designs. Pearls symbolized wealth, wisdom and immortality. Chinese dragons are also associated with water, and become rivers in some stories.

[languid trout]

Lore across cultures varies a bit. Anyone know which ones are favored more (if any) by this game?

[south quail]

@proven pawn

[naive otter]

this cave is currently unsafe. you will get stuck if you enter. tread caution if you dont know

[fresh marsh]

ive taken all of my dragons in there and have been fine, thanks for the warning though!

ill be a little more careful in that spot

[naive otter]

yeah i walked all the way in as bio and fell in an crevice q.q

ended up stuck and almost dying

[naive otter]

hopefully we get a hint soon ^^

[whole hearth]

Think we all need to ping him and say...we give up

[crystal ibex]

I don't want to give up lol

[whole hearth]

xD

[compact berry]

[fresh marsh]

i dont either, gives me something to do

[crystal ibex]

It's in the game, which just means with time and dedication it will be found. I for one am going to make coffee and put on some motivational music.

[fresh marsh]

wouldnt mind a hint though

[timber laurel]

i'm close to giving up lmao

[naive otter]

we cant give up tho! we have to keep trying. a small hint would be amazing but we cannot ping devs

[reef swallow]

Maybe with the next Update the elder System works, dont Lose hope everyone xd

[fresh marsh]

by all accounts its working now, we just dont know what it is

[pearl root]

I dont get it, in this post are over 10k comments and nothing really helpful rn...why...can it be something so difficult to see/earn whatever. Its just getting 🤯

[bleak python]

There's been a lot of getting sidetracked; side convos; and revisiting old topics so that's probably why there's so many.

[pearl root]

Yes, I know that. I follow this post every day and try to draw my own theories from it. I just don't understand why, with so many people researching it, nothing could come of it. It's just getting frustrating

[fresh marsh]

whats your contribution been?

im somewhat new to the conversation, and dont know everyone

[pearl root]

And also the fact that Jao said he would rather change the mechanics instead of giving us a tip... Some simple tip in which direction we should roughly orient ourselves. That would be enough for many people to continue researching again

[pearl root]

I don't often write in this post because I don't have any theories with solid evidence and results. also my english is bad ^^

[rough root]

I swear it's going to be something so mindblowingly easy we're just not seeing. Just like unlocking melanistic xD

[fresh marsh]

lmao probaly

[pearl root]

😄 i hope so

[crystal ibex]

I mean, we're just doing what we can with what we have.

[pulsar swift]

Do we really have anything besides "its in the game" tho?

[crystal ibex]

Nope

[pulsar swift]

Yeah, that's a good way to get the community to give up When we were hunting for the "strange occurences" in Elite Dangerous back in the day, we had radio logs, so-called "Barnacles" popping up where there previously werent any, getting interdicted during frameshift jumps between systems. We identified Thargoids 2 months before it was actually in the game thanks to the clues, but it wasnt an easy job.

Roughly 1500 people involved over a 4 month period was required to solve it. And we had much more info than we have here.

[rough root]

Probably why, same as mela, we wont be solving it on our own 🤣
BUT! We can hope and we can do everything in our power to TRY

[rapid radish]

The word "elder" starts to feel like a curse word at this point xD

[lost lichen]

could someone in full social, already a tick elder, try to nest in a group, in complicated places? like a cave ark, high up in the snowy mountain... to see if he gains %elder? and if so, when? (directly after the nest or the next day?) And tell which specie too and on which server ^^
I really have the feeling that our mutation points will define the way we become adults. I'm digging into the subject.

[crystal ibex]

We've done all that

I brought up the theory of the mutation points being how our activities could effect elder ticks. Such as flying through tight spaces, weaving through trees as asd for agile. Nesting, target emoting for social, and scavenger always keeping itself at or over half hunger and thirst

[pulsar swift]

Nesting in certain places dont feel right either tho. Say if wyverns only get elder ticks nesting in the mountain, thats a very campable thing then.

[rapid radish]

Did you get any elder progress today? :p

I mean bc you had the travel route yesterday

[pulsar swift]

While following the dragon species' "area type" for nesting is a very dragony thing to do I think the devs said they went away from the mushies cause they wanted a more dragony way to reach elder but also didnt want it to be campable. So it should be something that is "widely available but only available to adult or higher, but still rare".

[lost lichen]

for the moment I don't know, I have to go to work ^^ I'll connect it in a few hours to see.
I took the same route as my IR, with my bio in full agility to compare. we'll see xD

[crystal ibex]

It could still be a collectable though, since dragons collect treasure.

But that route has come up with nothing so far

[echo pagoda]

What if it's still mushroom based and they simply need fertilizer or something to grow?

[rapid radish]

I don't think so, for multiple reasons: Jao hated the shrooms, bc it's not "dracony" behaviour and they are campable and camping caused a lot of problems. Also I think ppl would have found the shrooms already 😄

[snow furnace]

wait, more dragon like behavior? cannot be camped? I just got an idea. There is a Submission emote. If we can target others with courtship, then the mechanic might exist. Has anyone tried a lot of adult dragons submitting all to one specific other adult? Maybe this will give him elder progress.

[rapid radish]

is the submission emote behind a paywall?

[snow furnace]

no it isnt

[lone pulsar]

Poop on it

[lone pulsar]

Agreed, Jao confirmed no shrooms

[rapid radish]

which one is it then, bc there's broadcast, threaten, friendly, hurt/scared and courtship? 🤔

[snow furnace]

i swapped 2 and 3 dont get confused xd

they might even have renamed it to submission

[rapid radish]

oh it's suppose to be submission ?? 😮 this is news to me, everybody always talked about either hurt or scared xD

interesting

you should try it with friends (you probs should try with and without social points) and tell us if it works! 🙂

or maybe even with 1 friend; one of you thretens and the other submits

[echo pagoda]

Has something like passive absorption from the correct crystal been tried?

[snow furnace]

imma do that

[rapid radish]

everything has been done and tried with the poor crystals xD

In the pins there's a doc of all the theories etc

[lost lichen]

tell us if it's work 😄

[rough root]

Well. Actually Jao once noted that the temperature would be a factor in nesting. So say... FS would not to nest in hotter areas for example.

[pulsar swift]

that would be nice and easily testable if we had a hot biome (I mostly play IR/FS).
SS, I feel would fit deep caves or mountain ledges.
IR, wyverns tend to nest on mountain ledges/ravines.
ASD, ground level caves or in a cluster of trees? Damp places?

[delicate bridge]

Campable doesnt = farmable

He doesnt want them camped and frustrated players who get the resource stolen like mushies, so he doesnt want them camped

The nesting theory would be cool if it works

He would be fine with it farmed, kinda how its needed to go about.

[fast geyser]

The trmperatire system is not in yet
But if fs and i think ir too would be in the lavalands
And asd and ss on the forgottenforests

[pulsar swift]

Yeah, but if say IRs only have 3-4 spots where they can nest in order to get elder progress then people can just patrol the known nesting spots and PK nesting IRs. Or camp them so no other IR can do elder progression. Hence I brought up that it feels campable, NOT farmable.

[delicate bridge]

You cant really “camp” a biome

• we do know in theory if it was how it works, wed have plenty of spaces for everyone

I sound abrasive but im speaking my mind and dont know how to soften it

[rough root]

It was during one of the streams. Right now we're always comfortable though. Echo made notes as to where the dangerous areas would be. Ravine was allegedly supposed to be one of the elemental places with lava. The craters too.

He also said the swamp would be an ASD paradise. While SS were more forest-y.

If these plans are still the same however? No clue.

I still personally believe in the 'be a dragon' theory with mutation points being key to activities.

[pulsar swift]

Holding back usually leads to information deficiency so be as harsh as you need to be to speak your mind I cant think of any discussion that led to great discoveries that didnt end up with a bunch of people screaming at each others trying to figure out the facts at some point in the process

[rough root]

Perhaps the scavengers are the ones finding odd items. Perhaps the agile ones as shown on SS have to do well. Agile things. And perhaps social mutations have to do various well, social things like nesting in key places.

Pure, raw speculation.

[pulsar swift]

I tried nesting as an IR with full social last night but perhaps it was the wrong spot for IRs. It was around directly west of the great falls, a grouping of lakes. Nested in the cluster of trees there.

[delicate bridge]

XD yeah seen a few wilcard discussions a few days ago, but honestly adding onto the comfort system maybe we need to put our dragons through stress? Itd semi make sense, as theyd have a ‘reason’ to feel the need. It could also be statlocked, as well

[rough root]

Try the ravine? Maybe? I don't know.

[pulsar swift]

I got my passive elder tick but it was just that, 0.9%. I will get my gang to try the ravine for sure. Either the ravine or find a mountain ledge.

[delicate bridge]

Maybe try one of the craters

Do wish we had hints though.

[pulsar swift]

The craters are a good idea. I've seen some slightly odd visual glitches at the bottom of the big twin crater with night vision tho.

[rough root]

We're all just trying things out anyway. Might as well add on the temperature theory/locations theory for the nesters

[rough root]

Same xD the underwater glitch scared the absolute bejeezers out of me.

[pulsar swift]

I've also had visual glitches with the flowers that are spread around the map, with part or the whole flower disappearing when I press E at certain angles. It "respawns" when I move away or attack it tho

[delicate bridge]

Craters lore wise iirc are pretty important, that or i heard echo say smthn abt them. All I remember is echo 100% said there was a few/ a important location/s

Ugh i dont wanna rewatch all the vids to find the reference I remember

I just know there was sm important referenced that might be useful

[pulsar swift]

I'm gonna have to watch them all I think Atleast I will have time while testing out the nesting ideas

[delicate bridge]

I think its either pancake or luses vids

[pulsar swift]

I assume the videos and chats with devs have been scoured for information already and every word analyzed.

[delicate bridge]

Sometimes theyre not, and echo is the map designer

I could be completely wrong as well, but ill look on my own soon, and come back and share if i do find what im talking about

[turbid copper]

im rewatching the videos rn lol

[pulsar swift]

For context, it is the tall flowers that are found for example on the ledge next to the great falls. Green at the base, matte red flower petals with a creamy yellowy center. The disappearance only happened while pressing E on the base of the plant, not on the flowers themselves. Seen them in several spots

[delicate bridge]

That’s the bio food; feels unrelated

[pulsar swift]

Ah yeah, definitely unrelated then. Dont have a bio

[delicate bridge]

Ive been on bio some, not my cup if tea unless im exploring

[quiet pasture]

The fact you guys are still searching for a way to elder after 3-4 people who showed progress were removed is amusing to me, everyone has also done the exact same steps about 15 times

[turbid copper]

who was removed?

[delicate bridge]

If they actually found it theres always ways to share :ie yt links, wiki, etc

So being removed from a discord chats the least of the worry

[quiet pasture]

You can scroll the chat here you can see people spoke about them, the only person im aware of is eon and everyone's first reaction to progress was to say they were cheating (aside for the really obvious esp screenshot)

[turbid copper]

No one was removed lol

that guy just left

[quiet pasture]

Not everyone has a capable pc to do videos

[delicate bridge]

Phones can release videos, if not screenshots

[quiet pasture]

I doubt that

[delicate bridge]

Listen, no offense he was likely trolling.

It happens alot

[cinder musk]

doesnt require anything special to video capture games nowdays. Even my antique can do it.

[quiet pasture]

He's polish

[delicate bridge]

Whats that have to do with it

You interrupted people trying to bring up someone who supposedly found it and cause chaos

[quiet pasture]

The guy can barely speak English, how's that trolling

[delicate bridge]

I think you need to go have a different discussion. English / non english has nothing to do with the ability to troll

[quiet pasture]

Yes I did because you've been spinning around in a circle for about over 10 minutes now

[delicate bridge]

If they suposedly did it, go to them, find out how and help people instead of interrupting a peaceful convo with us helping eachother try to find out

[quiet pasture]

I already did

[delicate bridge]

Like i dont see the need for you to be saying this stuff

Youve not helped anyone find out how, you just interrupted xD

[quiet pasture]

I mean you felt the need to reply to me and everyone else kept quiet, I've interrupted nothing, if anything yall just decided to put your attention onto me

It's very easy to ignore somebody xD

[delicate bridge]

Right

You just like arguing xD i will take your advice on here out and ignore you.

Anyways back to the normal topic

[quiet pasture]

That's clever

[pulsar swift]

Just realized there's one thing I didnt test while nesting, and thats raising the kids from hatch to adult. Which definitely would make sense to do as a dragon

[delicate bridge]

Actually yeah thatd make alot more sense

[turbid copper]

i think ppl already did that

[pulsar swift]

but it might be specific area for the dragon species + raise the kids from hatch to adult

[cinder musk]

Ive done that a number of times already nothing special happend

[pulsar swift]

Maybe if you sit on someone else's nest? or raise someone else's kid

[quiet pasture]

If that was a thing I'd be elder already

[pearl root]

The problem is actually that no one here has provided any solid evidence that claimed to have gotten Elderprogress through some kind of action.

[quiet pasture]

I was told to
Find craters
Search forests
Get the *
During the night
I've found absolutely nothing but haven't even looked tbf

Only thing I think will help for this, is that I hope I'm not the only one who noticed how god forsakenly long the nights take

And days are short

[delicate bridge]

I mean they seem relatively the same for me

[turbid copper]

nights are longer, but probably it's gonna be adjusted in an update

[pearl root]

Most people who posted things like this just threw chunks of information into the post and then disappeared at some point. Like trolls.

[delicate bridge]

Ill be testing some stuff later, however its 5:30 am and i really dont feel like moving.

Ex; finding my reference earlier and getting help regarding it

[rapid radish]

Smaug was cheating for sure, Eon (who is Filipino btw xD) claimed Jao told him not to tell (very sus, I don't believe that) and I milked all the info I could get from him, he has gone silent. These ppl either left or were removed. Crow was banned by the bot for 3 days and now they are back and made the amazing document for us ^^

[delicate bridge]

Figures ^^

as i thought cider was just stirring up the pot for some nasty reactions (i mean this non offensively) xD

[rapid radish]

And me or Crow made very clear that Eon didn't provide any more proof for his claims and we couldn't find the orbs either, but wanted to share the info anyway. ^^

[delicate bridge]

Yeah but definitely troll behavior, if someone said they were told to be quiet by a dev its 100% fake xd

Honestly i think some to myself mutations could help in a way though

[turbid copper]

Soo, the "important" locations that i heard from the 2 videos, was river where the log bridge is, and mushy pond, and they should have some "secrets" but probably it's something else

[delicate bridge]

You check luse or pancakes?

[pulsar swift]

I'm on a pvp server (not saying which for safety reasons since I'm dropping my positions in here regulary) so I just need to regrow my IR and SS, then I'll lend a hand. But yeah, I could pop on some PvE server to explore this.

[delicate bridge]

Think pancake cut his into three

[turbid copper]

pancake

[delicate bridge]

The default pve server i use is sanctuary, idm to drop it

Try luses maybe? Im not at my pc to go listen in

[turbid copper]

im at the final video rn

i'll see after

[delicate bridge]

But its worth a shot to look in those two spots for sure

[turbid copper]

and also elder forest was mentioned to be worth exploring

[delicate bridge]

Ooo yeah, its name is elder forest but i doubt its much help unless we get lucky

[stable comet]

XD?

[turbid copper]

yeah

[delicate bridge]

Like surely its not that easy xD

[turbid copper]

[delicate bridge]

Watch us be dead on and it is in elder forest

Id sob.

Ima make a lil list of locations once we get all the ones we gonna check

[upbeat igloo]

I may or may not be exploring everywhere once again to see if I can find anything

[delicate bridge]

Well we have a top three poi rn

[pearl root]

i go mostly with the trial theorie ^^ like
With 3/3 Scavenger Eat buggs MANY buggs and get ticks
With 3/3 Agility Fly/Run long distances

Most People from PVE have there Points in Social rn, what if the Social Points are planed to skill only as an Elder. You got 7 Points. And the best/biggest ones in the nature like by Wolfes the Alphas only make the offspring. So you have to archive the elder with some of the other skillways?

[delicate bridge]

Log bridge river, mushy pond, and elder forest ^

And yeah! It make sense fepending on your dragons lifestyle

[turbid copper]

if it was this, then ppl would already notice something

[delicate bridge]

Maybe we need one passive elder tick first

Then try it?

[upbeat igloo]

If that were true, I would've gotten more ticks by now

[delicate bridge]

I have a ss on sanctuary with like 3% elder i think

[turbid copper]

My IR has more than one tick

it's like 7%

[upbeat igloo]

I have 4 passive ticks and that's it so far

[delicate bridge]

What if its a certain % chance from doing said actions, and the mut points increase how much you get from that tic

Itd, actually make sense imo

[turbid copper]

Nope, cuz ppl with good stat dragons would want to start to elder immediately after they grow it

[delicate bridge]

Its not meant to be easy, but jao said we had to do what dragons do to elder

Maybe its low, like under 2% or smthn crazy, ex; for studs or for food eaten

Since its not an every time thing it would do it

[turbid copper]

Not easy, but not eating bugs either

[delicate bridge]

Well depends on your muts if that is it as well

[turbid copper]

Like imagine, everyone rushing to eat every bug to get elder progress

[delicate bridge]

Well no, if its a low chance itd not be worth it and just need to be passive, however i could see it being distance/travel related

[turbid copper]

And again, if it would be this case, then someone would have noticed something, which didn't happened so yeah

[delicate bridge]

Theres been a few people who said smthn abt flying so it might be a possibility, worrh my mentions at least

And its not campable so no shrooms

[turbid copper]

We have no proof

[delicate bridge]

Ye hence why wed just need to see

[turbid copper]

and someone already tried to fly and didn't got anything

[delicate bridge]

Gimme theories and ill start testing em tmr. I really wanna find out myself too

[turbid copper]

im watching the last map video

[delicate bridge]

Im down for both of us to explore the poi, but if thats a dud we need sm else

Alrighty, pancakes?

[turbid copper]

So far there are 3 locations mentioned to be "important" or to be worth exploring

or have secrets

[celest knoll]

Thing would be "they said" wothout further proof of it.
I'm also thinking it's fly related but right now we don't have any proof, we need testing every brought up theory even that orb thing, I think is trolling.

[delicate bridge]

The orbs could be camped; so i dont think so for sure

Feels wrong

Im down to test though tmr

[upbeat igloo]

So far, I have seen nothing. And I'm doing clean sweeps of the map in sections xD

[delicate bridge]

Good question is what as

[upbeat igloo]

An IR

I haven't spawned in the others

[delicate bridge]

Iirc theres areas ir is too big to get into

[upbeat igloo]

Considering I broke out of the map by slamming face first into walls, I'll get me boi to fit xD

[delicate bridge]

I would feel like eldering is different for each dragon when it comes down to it ngl

Oh PF

[quiet pasture]

Bio can't elder, find something that other dragons can do that bio can't?

[upbeat igloo]

Bio can't bite finger guns (this is sarcasm and a joke cause tired brain)

[rough root]

I was one of the people who got removed, three day ban. With Eon we've been speaking with him after as well. Some in here thankfully kept me up to date and I them.

Forever grateful 🙏 even if we havn't been able to replicate either of our progresses.

[rough root]

Which would these be? And what video? I'd like to add it to the document!

[turbid copper]

The river where the tree bridge is, there's a small cave that i heard would have a secret but it's empty, mushy pond, and elder forest was mentioned to be worth exploring

[upbeat igloo]

Scanned elder forest, sky and ground, found nothing... But I could have missed something

[turbid copper]

yeah idk

[delicate bridge]

There willshould be more to log i feel

Will/should*

[rough root]

Oh maybe he just meant the fun things put behind walls. Unless he removed them all again xD

On stream we made a Timeout Cave and a place that would open later in the cave expansion that said "Why are you looking back here?"

But those were just fun little easter eggs of a sort.

[turbid copper]

yea

[pliant ice]

Maybe we need to find and talk to Robert the unicorn… /j

Ngl Ive run out of ideas. Been checking the map, tested the ’long life’ theory, tried looking for things in the water and anything during the ’green flash’ at night, havent found anything

[minor hinge]

form last night to this morring i was donig is flying in the coulds

and no i dint not see elder tick pop up

[pulsar swift]

It could've been the elder tick regardless but maybe thats it, flying above the clouds it matches well with the 1.2% for SS passive ticks

@minor hinge if you're free to test it atm, try to fly above the clouds and toggle between night vision/regular vision? Test both at night and day, maybe there's some sort of dragon-god up there blessing us with ticks

[minor hinge]

ok i try

i just dint the elder tick pop

that was old

[pulsar swift]

Everything is up in the air atm. Maybe in this case, literally up in the air

[minor hinge]

but asd dont fly

[pulsar swift]

maybe its something different for ASDs. Might be individual for each dragon type

[rough root]

Just posting this again. This is literally the only 'hint' we have 🤣

(And then it just says more redacted) under the spoiler tag.

[fair turret]

How many Redacteds were there?

[turbid copper]

3

[rough root]

Three

[fair turret]

Hmmm

[rough root]

The image was taken by Mazyday.

Quite a few people weren't very happy with this 'hint' xD

It sparked a whoooole conversation about motivation I believe.

[fair turret]

A glorious contribution Mazyday. Let's see. Then you must eat a baby? Then you must live for awhile? Then you must find the pearl? Find the Secret? Join the Council?

It's actually a pretty good hint now that we're not guessing the first part

[turbid copper]

It's not even a hint

[fair turret]

I take it as confirmation that there is indeed a way of eldering that we've not yet found

enshallah we shall grow beeg

[turbid copper]

Well, we already know it's a way

but an actual hint about it, we don't have one

[pulsar swift]

I dont even blame them, its demotivating to not even know what you're looking for. Unlike Elite there's no obscured audio file that needs to be extracted and disseminated and for some guy to figure out that the beeps and stuff refers to a mix of morse code (for letters) and binary (for numbers)

[stark geyser]

You know who's really good at figuring out game secrets? Matpat. We've gotta get him on this

[dawn pelican]

Go get him in here 😂 at this point we need all the help we can get

I just had another idea. Some people already mentioned the probability of the eldering system being related to the species... what if it's to related to the specific abilities of the dragons? So let's say for example as an fs you need to find something hidden with your heat vision, on ss you need to creep up on something using your cloak and for ir maybe you have to burn down a certain plant or structure with your flame cloak

[cold summit]

yes this was my very first theory ^

but what would asd do, Q bite things?

[lime viper]

I just got a random tick when running from Arch to Elderforest thru Pride. But I actually did not do anything. It was not the passive tick as I got that one an hour before that

[languid spoke]

so you got an elder tick that was not your passive tick?

how much was the %?
what was the exact route you ran?
where are your mutation points entered?
what was your elder % prior to this tick?

[dawn pelican]

i guess? or eat certain poisouness things?

[cold summit]

i've been running in EF for 10 mins, trying to jump thru trees and still nothing, will keep going

[lime viper]

It was 2,1% on ASD went up from 2,1 to 4,2

[rapid radish]

then that's the passive tick

[lime viper]

tho I got my first passive tick not even 1hr before

[rapid radish]

🤔

[dreamy acorn]

I feel like you guys are overcomplicating it.. like a LOT
You press i and go to the orbs section.
"Passive Growth"

Find the right orb, plop it in there, you receive an elder buff for a set time. Then it disappears and you need another one.

[dawn pelican]

what orb?

[pulsar swift]

I am gonna try recreate this today or tomorrow, I need an adult ASD with 1 tick in that case

[dreamy acorn]

Press i on your dragon and go to the orbs section, you will see "passive growth"

[rapid radish]

have you found this orb?

[dawn pelican]

i cant go there since i do not own any orbs

[pulsar swift]

What orb? Where do you find said orb? Cause I spent hours yesterday flying around everywhere and not found said orb :D

[vale mortar]

you mean the passive buff?

[cold summit]

Ive also been running to find orbs or other objects

[languid spoke]

good idea!

i've yet to see any orbs in the game

[lime viper]

there are pick-up-able orbs in the game?

[dreamy acorn]

For all the replies, I haven't personally looked for an orb but I don't think the system would be that complicated

It just seems the most logical for me

[dawn pelican]

it was a theory but noone was able to prove it yet

[languid spoke]

except we're supposed to be able to actively elder now

[rapid radish]

We have been looking everywhere for orbs and found nothing 😄

[languid spoke]

and that method is not an option yet

[lime viper]

yeah thats what I thought xD

[pulsar swift]

If the system is not this complicated and I spent an entire weekend scouring every corner and cave of the map only to miss this orb? I'm gonna uninstall

[dreamy acorn]

You could get an orb, put it in your slot and you get a tick. After, it disappears

[rapid radish]

Yes, but the problem is, there's no orbs in the game 😄

[languid spoke]

there are no orbs in the game yet

[dawn pelican]

we dont know if there is a orb tho. And if it is in, where is it?

[dreamy acorn]

WELL tbf the game itself is not complicated and I personally doubt they have the coding power or funding to do something super complicated

[languid spoke]

so i cannot get an orb lol