Alternatives for Ping Cap

[brazen zinc]

Imagine not wanting to have a laggy experience

[frigid plover]

Do you suffer from unplayability in the game you purchased?

[brisk onyx]

Imagine playing pve but complaining about lag

[brazen zinc]

I play on one of the big clan servers

[brisk onyx]

Which pve server?

[frigid plover]

Then you must not run a community large enough to care about the people suffering from said issues (especially during big pvp fights)

[brisk onyx]

Funny when it was capped I don’t remember seeing this person on the server it show 0/100 people 🤨

[frigid plover]

Imagine telling your friends clanmates to “go find another server I want 200ms ping cap LOLZ get better internet scrub”

I can’t with some of y’all’s mentality

[brisk onyx]

But ozy they didn’t even play on the server, no one did

All of a sudden they want it back when everyone stopped playing on the server include her/he

[brazen zinc]

Anyway you can try and talk down to me as much as you want. I'm just giving my opinion that I don't want to play with laggy people. My suggestion is to set the mega clan EU server to 1000ms cap and the UK mega clan server to 200ms.
Why do you guys have such problems with this idea?

[brisk onyx]

Lmaooooo

[woeful valve]

Yes, this is essentially what the ping cap was supposed to do BECAUSE people with high ping get such a high and unfair advantage when it comes to PVP in the game. The server accepts their delayed local client side input, which makes them hit things they shouldn't, and makes them almost unhittable themselves. This isn't the player's fault but it is still true.

Anyone who has ever fought someone with high ping knows this to be true. The advantages are practically worse than flat out cheating. I admit a ping cap was a "lazy solution", but I would like to see the people who got it increased to be as vocal about the unfair advantage they are getting as well.

[frigid plover]

I’m giving you a reality check. Tell your friends who suffer from being unable to even play the game to their face your opinion. Same reaction, surely not all your friends have google fiber as an internet provider

[brisk onyx]

Not saying it’s a skill issue but we have killed many of laggy players nothing new

[buoyant lodge]

I'm just glad I can play the game

[merry fiber]

Because our clans are world wide I’m in the us but want to play with my friends in the uk an the au yk

[brazen zinc]

The issue isn't about killing them itself but how it's a terrible experience to play against

[frigid plover]

And that’s all we were asking for

[buoyant lodge]

I was incapable of playing it without getting kicked and I'm literally 4 hours away from where the Servers are

I should not be experiencing this

[brisk onyx]

Not really it just shows how good u are in killing laggy people

[buoyant lodge]

It's not even my internet either. I have 500mb download and 50mb upload

It's just selfish

[frigid plover]

Then the issue lies in clientside playermodel/ serverside registry

Not a ping cap

[brisk onyx]

Yea man my internet is awesome but I’m from Aussie land

[merry fiber]

Same thing is happening anyway on the PvP servers with the ping cap and with people with like 50 ping so it was doing its job

[buoyant lodge]

Ping cap is a lazy solution but at least it was highered. now I can somewhat play without getting kicked, but I do feel bad for the australians who are unable to play

[frigid plover]

Don’t outcast entire countries because you don’t understand there’s more than just PING that causes desync

[merry fiber]

We’ve explained all this before if y’all want to know go up and read

We’ve been saying all this for a month

[brisk onyx]

Funny that Australians can’t even play their own server aswell 😂

[brazen zinc]

I know that the ms isn't the whole story, but just a part of it. I just don't like that it's now seemingly ignored

[merry fiber]

If you want it brought down make your own thread pls but we are finally able to play as a clan again so please take it else where is you have such a problem with it

[brisk onyx]

Do u want us to not play at all ?

[buoyant lodge]

I heard an admin couldnt play either

wild

[brazen zinc]

Yea, that's a problem that needs solving fast

[brazen zinc]

This message tell me you aren't reading what I am saying

[brisk onyx]

Not saying u 😂

They haven’t changed the issue

[merry fiber]

We are well aware of the issue of desyncers we have been fighting them the whole time but the ping didn’t fix it but would just make our fighter fall from the sky

We would rather deal with the bs of a desyncer then get kicked every 5 min

[brisk onyx]

Especially growing for several hours just to loose it from getting kicked

[merry fiber]

But pls go up and read if y’all aren’t completely getting it

We aren’t trying to be rude but we are honestly frustrated

We just want to play like we did in legacy and be able to fight

That’s all

[brazen zinc]

I have been silently watching this post since it was made. So I do understand. I just think it would be better to give the player base options. I dread that my server now has a increased cap. Time will tell if it becomes worse because of it

[magic spade]

isnt one of the AU servers in Singapore ?

[brisk onyx]

Yes

[magic spade]

oml thats wild

[merry fiber]

Dragon king runs smoother for me with the increased ping cap I’m no longer lagging as bad as I did and my ping was in the 50s

[brazen zinc]

Pretty sure thats the problem with AU servers ye

[brisk onyx]

Zemper isn’t ur ping poor playing on us servers?

[magic spade]

also while yall are here #1210794228368543824

[frigid plover]

Listen I know some people dread it, but it’s allowing people to actually play the game that haven’t been able to for a month since release

[brazen zinc]

I never play on us servers, only UK ones

[merry fiber]

Bruh

[brisk onyx]

Bruh

[frigid plover]

That explains why you don’t understand anything

[merry fiber]

[brisk onyx]

This is about the us server

[merry fiber]

[brazen zinc]

Lol haven't you read my messages?

[magic spade]

no

[brazen zinc]

I have said UK and EU servers a few times already

[brisk onyx]

Was gonna say I know a uk person that can’t even play on dragon king

[merry fiber]

It 3am for me I’m doing my best

[brisk onyx]

And they want the ping removed

[frigid plover]

Try playing with a worldwide playerbase 2 weeks ago, Watch your clanmates fall from the sky and leave you alone in the middle of a fight because of “the council of elders”

[magic spade]

got that frog blink goin

[merry fiber]

Wha

[magic spade]

CoE has the highest kill count

[brazen zinc]

My suggestion is to make the EU mega clan server the international server

[magic spade]

huh

[frigid plover]

Wack

[merry fiber]

Dude us players were also getting kicked from us servers how would that fix it

[brisk onyx]

That was the whole point of this kymer 😂

[merry fiber]

I don’t have the brain cells for this I’m too tired

[brisk onyx]

Uk person complaining about uk ping going up 😂

[merry fiber]

Bruh

Imma go get sleep

[brisk onyx]

Gn

[merry fiber]

[brisk onyx]

No thank you

[frigid plover]

Zemper if you want to experience how gamebreakingly un-inclusive being in a clan that has ppl from all over the world, I’ll set up a server in the US with a 200 ping cap for you and let you try to grow an asd on it

Then you’ll understand our issue within 30 mins or less

[brazen zinc]

The issue is that this thread has changed every server now, not just the one you tried to change

[brisk moat]

good

[frigid plover]

We made it a point as to what server we wanted it on. Not our fault it got so much backlash from people not understanding that people in the US were getting kicked from US servers bc of rural internet providers/ people who live in mountain ranges/ other countries while trying to run a mega clan server is just counterintuitive to having a community

A worldwide community suffers from this, a small local uk clan server will not

[magic spade]

trying to load a gif on discord instant disconnection was a wild experience when i tried to play on a hotspot n understood what everyone else was talking about

[frigid plover]

If you only care about your UK server and not the entire community worldwide you are part of the problem

[brazen zinc]

Please read my messages without assuming ill intent and I think you will see I'm not against you, but in favor of options

[frigid plover]

I just want to be able to run my clan with people from Australia, the US, Poland, Denmark, and other countries so I don’t have to tell my friends “tough luck” we can’t play together

[magic spade]

tho im really waiting on what this orka persons got to say they been typing for a miiiiiiiiiiiin

[frigid plover]

Bare minimum playability is a problem to everyone who doesn’t run a clan that ranges outside their country /timezones

[brazen zinc]

I want you to be able to do that aswell, I just think that you should be able to pick a server that has settings to allow for that, and I want one of the server options be one that I would prefer

[woeful valve]

Nobody should be excluded from playing the game, AND nobody should get unfair advantage from having a worse connection. It's that simple. Ping alone wasn't the solution, it never was, but it made it impossible for some people with very high ping (and thus very high pvp advantage) to even connect to the server.

The devs know this is true, that's why the cap got put in place in the first place. What other reason was there for a ping cap?
The fact laggers can still be killed isn't even an argument. It's like saying yeah that player is cheating in an fps game, but he can still be killed so the fact he's cheating is fine. Of course the lagger might not realise their advantage, but if they played DoD for a while, I'm sure most are aware by now.

Like I said above though, it was a lazy solotion for a big pvp problem that has always existed in DoD. I would like for the people to be as vocal about their unfair advantage as they are about their connection issues, that's all.
It's good people are again able to play the game, but the lagging finally needs addressing too.

[merry fiber]

High ping doesn’t mean advantage

[frigid plover]

Yknow how in the isle a Petra can get knocked out of the sky by something jumping? We need THAT kind of playermodel/serverside locational registry

[merry fiber]

Should have seen the desync I saw from someone showing 59 ping the other day killing people behind them with fire

[woeful valve]

Not necessarily, no. But more often than not the worst laggers I fought happened to have a very high ping in legacy as well.

[merry fiber]

I was there through legacy on us 1

[woeful valve]

It's what I'm saying all along, the solution was a lazy one that "sorta worked". They should finally address the core issue and hire someone with fps coding experience.

[brisk moat]

its crazy what can happen when there is more then 1 coder 🤯 🤯

[merry fiber]

Ik what kinda desync there is and how some of it works but the way the went about it for the reasons they told us were wrong and screwed over a lot of people

[woeful valve]

I fully agree, but I'm sure you get what I'm putting down as well.

[merry fiber]

Honestly rn I’m tired asf and comprehension is struggling

A lot of us aren’t even against ping caps

But there is something wrong in the way they did it

And it just did more harm than the little good they tried to do that honestly wasn’t stopping the main problem that the caps were put in place to prevent

[woeful valve]

I believe playing on a wired connection, even with decent/good ping, was also terrible for getting DC

[merry fiber]

Namely lag switching which many have already been hearing that people have gotten around this ping cap with that anyway

[frigid plover]

any satellite internet, anyone who shares a household with someone who likes to stream youtube or netflix... yeah glad something was done at least so i can play now

[merry fiber]

We checked with many many many people across the community and countries that were getting kicked and we could not find a common thread

[woeful valve]

Indeed, hence why I'm saying finally address the main problem too and let's all be vocal about it. That's all. Nobody should be excluded to play, or get any sort of advantage.

[merry fiber]

First they were kicking people for package loss which fixed part of it

But sadly that’s not how the community works

The PvP community grew from legacy and how it ran

If that makes any sense

We are gonna be across the world

Different pcs internet connections

[timber echo]

Yeah pvp evolved quite a lot since this game skyrocketed

[merry fiber]

There’s no way to make it so there’s no desync advantage perfectly yk

[timber echo]

They need to put that into account now

[merry fiber]

So why keep people from playing

[light epoch]

Simply sucks because when you are in a fight....

[merry fiber]

Facts

Ik someone who has lost 20 dragons alone to the council of elders

[timber echo]

The terrible hitboxes also make pvp a chore

[merry fiber]

Smh

[light epoch]

Oh my, that sucks asf

[timber echo]

That's 30 hours minimum gone

[merry fiber]

Yeah in one fight we had 4 people at once get kicked and we were screwed

[light epoch]

Ooof

[frigid plover]

good talk everyone. im headed out for the night. pls anyone that needs clarification on why a ping cap is hurtful for a worldwide community my dms are open

[merry fiber]

And that’s why a lot of our clan refused to play after that why waste time growing to die in 5 seconds to the council of elders

[light epoch]

And also when you are like hunting or calming your food/water...

[merry fiber]

Partly why we fought so hard for a ping cap increase or removal

[light epoch]

Good night

[merry fiber]

We had people die to scrabs after getting kicked

[light epoch]

• when you are flying

[merry fiber]

Mhm

Gravity hurts

[light epoch]

A lot

[merry fiber]

I go sleep now nini

[light epoch]

Good night

[iron wadi]

Glad for the changes that were made - my vote here didn't go to waste

Haters gonna hate, back to my hole now

[light epoch]

?>

[zealous atlas]

make a poll to make the ping cap 100 instead then

Getting tired of players who are happy to fight scrabs and trees because they're making up excuses to not fight more people and want to just see a game lose everyone

Just a very very loud minority

Actually no go make a suggestion to make it 50 instead

[brazen zinc]

I doubt it's smart to set it that low, everyone can have spikes

[zealous atlas]

spike above the old ping cap for half a second was a kick

if it wasnt like that you'd have room to say something

the game is literally dead in numbers compared to the 3.3k of day 1 and i don't think you understand lowering it more would have made it worse lol

[brazen zinc]

You realise I want both right? Servers with high cap and low cap? I'm pretty sure the food issue and hatchling kill issue caused more people to stop playing

[zealous atlas]

well that was the result of the poll

[brazen zinc]

Yup, I know

[zealous atlas]

idk why it wasn't made as the outcome of the poll

[brazen zinc]

I am for more options, but I understand not wanting to open more servers, especially now that a lot of people have seemingly already quit

[timber echo]

That goes back to the update being pretty bad, but thats a https://discord.com/channels/576933363672285186/1212488134877515806 problem

[steady warren]

So are more people playing on dragon king or where u wrong

Because I’m waiting for u to say u are wrong before I try convince people to play

[zealous atlas]

its 7am on a us server

the player count will increase, but that doesn't mean people will nolife cap the server at all hours

get your money up not your funny up

[steady warren]

😂 what was the pop last night

[zealous atlas]

around 27-28

Better than 0

[steady warren]

the pop will only go down if theres no bug fixs or new content

[zealous atlas]

better to keep it moving instead of sticking at 0

new content and fixes are always a must but you cannot say that doing nothing is better than doing something

[steady warren]

i think fixing the bugs and performance is more important than the ping cap

[iron wadi]

There's going to be some more hotfixes soon I reckon

[buoyant lodge]

The pop really was in the 20’s

Not bad for dragonking after what we’ve been put through

It’s worth coming back to and I think we should consider no hatchie killing randoms on the server to repopulate it

This wouldnt have been an issue if there was more food locations spread around for clans to move into instead of the 4 main locations; BR, EF, Arch, and River :/

All of which are spawn locations for hatchies

[buoyant lodge]

I can make a post about that

https://discord.com/channels/576933363672285186/1216053671989739741

[steady warren]

i think the dysinc is cause by the hitbox

thats why people look like they fly in trees or walls

all u have to do is fly close to a tree

[zealous atlas]

that's baseless without proof

hitboxes kicking people out

is a strange idea

[steady warren]

the hit box causes the dysinc

[zealous atlas]

maybe visually during a fight

[steady warren]

fly close to a tree and let ur wings touch the tree and u will dysinc

[zealous atlas]

but how would a broken hitbox explain those who get desynced in the middle of doing nothing next to no one

[steady warren]

thats different

[buoyant lodge]

Waiting for a mod to react to my post

[steady warren]

thats cause by ur pc or internet

[buoyant lodge]

Whatever it is, it needs to be addressed

We can at least agree on that

[zealous atlas]

both my pc and internet are better than a lot of the people that have no kicks

so i don't think that's true

[zealous atlas]

yes

[buoyant lodge]

Bc its annoying when ppl just desync in the trees away

David post ur theory about it in the post i created

Maybe jao will look into it more

[steady warren]

? what are u talking about, theres normal dysinc, theres dysinc that is caused because people use a lag switch, and now dod created the dysnic where ur dragon hits a tree but dosent actually hit a tree

[steady warren]

where is it

[buoyant lodge]

https://discord.com/channels/576933363672285186/1216053671989739741

Jao said he will fix hitboxes in 1.0.1 so if that doesn’t fix it, then it’s something different

[zealous atlas]

I thought you said all desync is caused by hitboxes alone

Is what I thought I read

Also we can't assume everyone is using lag switches unless someone has proof on that

And im pretty sure that it would be self-inflictive and not cause others to get kicked over it

[thin musk]

I mean, juist had a fight on DragonKing, seemed the whole being sucked into a tree thing was fixed as they were trying to utilize the Redwoods to escape.. Unless we haven't come across someone who desynced hard enough.

[frigid plover]

This mentality is part of the problem, half your clan probably playing on a community server rn

[steady warren]

not even they dont want to play, they only get on because i asked them

[steady warren]

i didnt say that

[frigid plover]

That’s sad bruh

Willing to let the server grow (besides hound who cried to keep the ping cap last minute anyway)

[buoyant lodge]

Yeah I wanna kill hound now

For trolling

[steady warren]

if we want the server to grow u have to let hound grow too

[frigid plover]

My playerbase who hasn’t been able to play for a month because of hounds content creator bias influencers on the initial server ping cap upon game release would disagree with you

[buoyant lodge]

If you want the server to grow again you need to bring your people back. If you want to bring your people back, you’re “waiting” for Zeldris to say he was wrong about something which I dont get

[steady warren]

bro ill play

i already know hes wrong

[buoyant lodge]

Just bring your people back, enough with the pettiness and I agree that maybe we should leave hound alone until server pop grows

[steady warren]

but first ima try get small clans to join dragon king

[buoyant lodge]

I hate them for trolling but we do need server pop

[buoyant lodge]

That would be nice

https://discord.com/channels/576933363672285186/1216053671989739741 post is up

[zealous atlas]

server population went 15x over night

the fact of the matter speaks for itself

If I was wrong it would have stayed at 0-4 players

And this reaction would not have almost 900 votes.

[hazy cedar]

or maybe the ping cap would be fine if some players knew how to play the game?

[steady warren]

but u are, if they released the blitzs and weather the pop would be 100 not just in their 20s, and if the bugs and preformance is still bad the pop will go down in 2 or 3 days, just like a 20 pop will go down in 2 or 3 days

[fallen badge]

FACTS

look whos obssessssed nowwww

[thin musk]

Crazy that we're still considered to be "trolling" for having a different opinion.

[fallen badge]

LMao

byeee

[buoyant lodge]

So playing the game is dealing with the bugs that come along with it?

Tbf there is a reason why player pop died down, you cant just put it on the players

Getting kicked for desync for playing on the dedicated servers we were provided with is just part of the game now ig? 😂

[main yew]

I get your frustration Kindred, but playing a game includes dealing with bugs that come along the way. It simply happens. 🤣 Little silly to add that in. Nonetheless, I understand. Also I agree @steady warren, removing the cap doesn't actually ultimately do anything(Unless it does). Hitboxes are still scuffed so PvP isn't AS ACCURATE food spawns are still not as abundant as they should be, and people are still waiting on Blitz & Weather to add more eye candy to the game. As PvP'ers not having an accurate hitbox makes everything 10x more frustrating since things like SS's are not as useful as they could be etc.

[buoyant lodge]

Paying a new Dev on the Team to increase progress > Paying a Discord Mod & Senior Admins

[wanton cargo]

(mods dont get paid)

[buoyant lodge]

Lead mod*

[main yew]

Every day of the week. I agree. (Sarcasticly)

[buoyant lodge]

Im not disagreeing with you about the bugs part

But it could be better

Like I said about getting a new dev

It’s not up to the community to decide where that funding goes tho unfortunately

[main yew]

I understand appreciating the community staff that he has, and even wanting to go as far as paying them, but that ultimately will not help the team secure enough money for a temp dev to boost progression even temporarily. 😅 Again this has nothing to do with a person's "money worth." I don't want people thinking that we're trying to say they aren't worth to be paid. That isn't what we're arguing here.

[buoyant lodge]

Not to mention the player pop died

[zealous atlas]

the server population went down crazy fast not cause there wasn't a blitz striker but because people were unable to play with their friends

[buoyant lodge]

What are they going to admin

Idk

[main yew]

I edited and added a tid bit to the end of that incase anyone reads over it. 🤍

[zealous atlas]

wrong, it does do something

you're just mad as you're one of the people who were voting against it

[main yew]

I'm not.. I literally put a side note in paranthesis

I said unless it does. Since I am not 1000% if it is or isn't the problem.

[buoyant lodge]

Increasing the ping cap allows me to play the game

[zealous atlas]

It quite literally does do something

[buoyant lodge]

I dont know if thats a blessing or a curse

[zealous atlas]

We can actually get on the server due to the increase

The proof is in the pudding

[buoyant lodge]

At last my friends can play without getting kicked. Feels nice

[main yew]

Okay? I understand..? I'm not arguing that it absolutely doesn't. If you're passionate about the argument because of other responses I get it, but don't try to paint me as the salty one. 🤣

[zealous atlas]

You kept voting against it being increased, henceforth voting against playing a server with players who weren't in your clan and keeping it to yourselves

There is no argument to be made, it lets people play the game which is factual

No one said there isn't a list of other issues wrong with the game at this point in time

But better to resolve one thing that can be resolved instantly rather than resolve nothing at all

[main yew]

My vote was split ultimately. This had a X on it but on the bigger thread that we kept discussing things, I was split between the two.

Also the ping cap was already removed so this thread isn't needed anymore?

[zealous atlas]

This part of the title says it should remain open

[buoyant lodge]

^

[zealous atlas]

I was also in the last thread you speak of where you and your people orchestrated an "argument" to enable your friend to force close the thread

[buoyant lodge]

Its there for a reason

[zealous atlas]

We will not be doing that here to, even if you are trying to make it so

[buoyant lodge]

I mean yea

It was increased

https://discord.com/channels/576933363672285186/1216053671989739741 this was the next post i created

[main yew]

Zeldris what're you trying to do right now? In the last thread, all I was "preaching" about was players having their specs shown so the dev could get a better read that it was or WASN"T system related.

I can't or won't speak for the other members of the same clan that I'm currently in because not everyone shares the same motive. I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't assume the worst and throw me in the same pile.

[zealous atlas]

nonstop talking about specs gave your friend enough reason to close it as "it wasn't related to the topic" apparently

[wanton cargo]

alright this is becoming an argument and yall are driving off the main topic of the thread
either move to dms or get back on topic fellas

[main yew]

^

That was without my doing, so GJ @zealous atlas anyways ty for the disucssion @buoyant lodge it was clean.

[zealous atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

[wanton cargo]

any alternatives that anyone thought of to get rid of ping caps?

[buoyant lodge]

I mean there was a few in the other thread

But that got deleted

A server host dev even spoke in there and said it could be a potential ping cap side related issue

[wanton cargo]

you can repost them here or come up with new ideas
you may also rename the thread and only keep the last part of it

[buoyant lodge]

Sure thing

Find an alternative to Ping Cap

Alternatives for Ping Cap

there

Honestly wasn't expecting jao to say something like that above

But it's whatever, we move on ig :v

[wanton cargo]

it is indeed a good idea to create a new post if you'd like, although everything that was already considered as a suggestion here would be lost

[buoyant lodge]

Yeah, I created a new post for the desync issues. was going to include the hitbox part, but jao already addressed it was going to be fixed in the next patch

I guess I could add it into the title

[wanton cargo]

and the last reminder before i disappear - remain respectful to everyone
that includes everyone

[buoyant lodge]

Ye

[zealous atlas]

You did a good thing last night 👏

[frigid plover]

removing the ping cap allows the worldwide clans to actually play with each other. if you want everyone region locked there would be no point in mega clan servers. this outlook is so backwards.. saying it doesnt do anything just because it doesnt affect you personally, when it affects the community as a whole and you're just refusing to put more than a passing thought onto it like "it doesnt actually do anything" just sounds self righteous and closed minded

[main yew]

Again Paranthesis

[zealous atlas]

👏

[frigid plover]

im quoting you

[frigid plover]

maybe ask your clan mates that were suffering from this issue how they are enjoying actually being able to play the game..?

or do you run a small localized clan without a worldwide playerbase?

[zealous atlas]

you're wrong ozy

I can assure you they were enjoying the game a lot

[main yew]

I'll highlight it. Tis all.

[frigid plover]

hound has a total of 3 australians they were willing to outcast out of their clan over a ping cap. i just want everyone to be aware before we hear more Hound Opinions

imagine running a community like that "too bad go find another server you dont get kicked from"

[thin musk]

They still play with us?

They don't have issues like some of yall.

[fallen badge]

Actually crazzy name the outcasts, cause theyve been playing the game and dealing with it. Before u start throwing accusations get your facts.

Seems ANbu is obsseesssssssed with hound

[frigid plover]

so you voted to make your clan mates keep dealing with the kicking?

imagine that

[fallen badge]

Imagine what, we want better ping just dont disable it

simple

[zealous atlas]

don't reply to them anymore

they want the thread closed

[frigid plover]

i'm obsessed with holding people accountable for not representing this community as a whole. selfish little "i want 300 ping cap because it makes the game more fun for ME" is unnacceptable from a clan leaders standpoint

[fallen badge]

they raised the ping so idk why u complaining

[thin musk]

The first fix that was released significantly helped those who were getting kicked more regularly for those who were outside the region, if yall are still having issues then it sounds like a YALL problem with your fundamentals and not us.

[fallen badge]

MAYBBEE the isssssue is not ping CAPPPP

[zealous atlas]

Calm yourself

[thin musk]

Fr.

[zealous atlas]

no one gets kicked now that it's been raised

so it was the issue

[merry fiber]

Game actually runs smoother for me with the increased ping cap. No longer struggling with less than 20 frames and I haven’t been kicked

[fallen badge]

thank you

[frigid plover]

smokes still gets kicked off bloodmoon. but he shares a house with a few people on the same internet connection

[merry fiber]

Poor Smokey

[zealous atlas]

if he lives in a bucket that's his own issue

[frigid plover]

i will continue to represent the community as a whole. not leaving anyone out

[fallen badge]

idk wh yu guys talking smack about us

WIFI IS THE ISSSSSUUE

[merry fiber]

But it’s not

[fallen badge]

its not ping

[zealous atlas]

ping cap was the issue for 95% of people the rest would be their own internet

[frigid plover]

you cried last minute to just increase the ping cap instead of letting the devs follow through with the poll results

[zealous atlas]

now that it's been increased a lot more can play

[fallen badge]

YESSS

[zealous atlas]

are you agreeing with me or disagreeing i cannot tell lol

[fallen badge]

BOTH

[thin musk]

Just said he shares a connection with people in the household, so that's going to have an effect on their gameplay. You just identified the issue that isn't ping cap? 🤨

[fallen badge]

the internet part

[frigid plover]

does this mean that people that dont live alone dont deserve to play dod?

[merry fiber]

That’s one person specifically

Over all though we couldn’t figure out a common thread

[thin musk]

Not what I'm saying, you're just contradicting yourselves.

[fallen badge]

OZZYYY we are saying that PING cap may not be the issue for that person

so maybe he should look into what the real problem is

[merry fiber]

Some part of the mechanic is since it says when they get kicked that it’s the council of elder detecting a desync yk

[fallen badge]

are people still crashing out of the server

[zealous atlas]

if he got kicked from bloodmoon it might be cause it's 450ms not 600ms like dragonking

[frigid plover]

if you waited for a game to come out and you were unable to play on any official servers.. wouldnt there be a problem in your eyes as well?

[thin musk]

I ALSO don't live alone, I have multiple people in my household, I can play just fine. So.. 🤔

[buoyant lodge]

Are you lan

[frigid plover]

if hes getting kicked from bloodmoon that means i will be kicked from bloodmoon. mines spikes to 500ms sometimes because of yknow.. my internet needing to come back from SPACE

[merry fiber]

Hi kindred

[wanton cargo]

im not seeing suggestions here
only clan drama

stay on topic please

[zealous atlas]

im in neither of their clans so im exempt right

[frigid plover]

ping cap is still an issue for players on bloodmoon

ping cap is still counterproductive to mega clan servers

and worldwide clans and playerbases

[fallen badge]

well blood moons ping cap is 450 just come back to dragon king where there is 600 ping

[merry fiber]

Bloodmoon is supposed to be the other mega clan server just with group damage disabled and people are getting kicked now that weren’t before they tried fixing it or whatever

[buoyant lodge]

yea that's true

[frigid plover]

this outlook is the problem with this issue

[buoyant lodge]

it was supposed to be the alternative to hardcore so people didn't have to experience group damage

[fallen badge]

ping cap was at 300 before sooooo

its better now

[merry fiber]

Ik

[buoyant lodge]

it'd be better if it was just 600 for mega clan pvp servers

[frigid plover]

facts

[buoyant lodge]

for other servers like molten mountain should just stay at 300 or go to 450 like bloodmoon was

[frigid plover]

mega clans are worldwide. ping spikes happen. not everyone has amazing internet. if hound wants a low ping cap they may as well just go to molten mountain

[merry fiber]

We aren’t against the ping cap (for the most part lol)we just want to be able to play with our clans

[buoyant lodge]

I just want to be able to play on other us related servers

[merry fiber]

Oh that too

[buoyant lodge]

I'm able to play on dragonking which is nice

but every other server not so much :P

[fallen badge]

problem solved u can play with ur clanmates

[buoyant lodge]

ok sure

[spark crest]

it's not about the height of the ping cap, it's about ping spikes vs constant high ping that the current system doesnt seem to differentiate

[buoyant lodge]

for 1 server out of how many tho

[frigid plover]

narrow minded outlook on a game-wide issue

[buoyant lodge]

lol

[thin musk]

[fallen badge]

brooo u guys asked to increase ping cap and they did it now u want all the other servers tooo

[frigid plover]

we wanted it removed

[buoyant lodge]

or an alternative

[fallen badge]

well it shouldnt

[thin musk]

Again I say, 300ms increase still not enough?

[frigid plover]

bloodmoon should also be increased to accomadate for worldwide clans

[fallen badge]

again as JAO SAID it allows people to use lag switch and no one wants to play against people that abuse the game

[thin musk]

Esp if it's Hardcore. ^

[buoyant lodge]

damn. lag switching in 2024 wild

[merry fiber]

They tried doing that before they increased the ping and people were getting kicked that weren’t before from what I had heard from some other clans

[buoyant lodge]

like that even happens 💀

[fallen badge]

Like FORCE desync is not the samething

just different words

[buoyant lodge]

i mean sure

[thin musk]

I mean, we got a clip of someone intentionally diving down towards water to abuse desync. 😄

[buoyant lodge]

but ping cap is such a lazy way of getting rid of that

[spark crest]

so instead of looking into why they just gave up on that?

[merry fiber]

And I’ve said this before they have already gotten around his ping cap thing smh so it’s kinda a mute attempt

[buoyant lodge]

it's pretty much a double edged sword that hurts the own playerbase

[fallen badge]

well its a temporary solution

rather have something then nothing

[buoyant lodge]

ok cool what of it

[frigid plover]

and did they get booted off the server? or are people who literally just want to play the game being punished for the actions of a few

[merry fiber]

And people do the same with trees

[buoyant lodge]

desync is desync

forced desync is different

[frigid plover]

if you guys are worried about desync correlating the ping cap.

the issue is clientside/serverside player positioning. not ping

[fallen badge]

we all remember how legacy was, where hacker/ force desync players were abusing the game

[buoyant lodge]

regular desync can be annoying sure. but the whole point of the ping cap was to remove forced desync, not normal desync if im correct

[fallen badge]

yes I think so

[merry fiber]

They have already figured out some bs I’m sure a freakin anti cheat would address a lot of our issues and concerns but nooooo

[buoyant lodge]

and like I said, so far it's been a double edged sword. sure it does it's job, but it does it very poorly because it made the game unplayable for weeks to people in the us, uk n au

[merry fiber]

I think we should be pushing for anti cheat if we are so worried of hackers

[buoyant lodge]

Fr

Anti Cheat > Ping Cap

[fallen badge]

Everyone should comeback to dragonking and play on the server that has higher ping

[frigid plover]

ping can play a factor but 90% of the time a person with an old CPU will desnyc just as bad as someone with 600ms ping. its a palyermodel location syncing issue and people shouldnt be punished to the point of an unplayable game just so you can pretend like your issue with desyncers is fixed over the fact people with less than god tier internet cant play

[buoyant lodge]

Opinions differ ig

Not everybody wants to be on dragonking anymore

[merry fiber]

But that anti cheat though

[fallen badge]

why is that

[fallen badge]

I meant this

[buoyant lodge]

People have moved to other servers before they implemented the ping cap, you could say it's too late or too early

[fallen badge]

lmao

how is it too late

its not like u guys got 18a

[buoyant lodge]

You can't just force somebody to play on dragonking

lol

[merry fiber]

Ik a few that have said f that and don’t want to deal with it anymore

[buoyant lodge]

A few people have branched off and started playing on different servers like Nycta, Bloodmoon or even Molten Mountains

[fallen badge]

they made a server for people that needs a higher PING but they dont want to play on it

Im dead

[buoyant lodge]

All because they couldn't play on Dragonking. and now you're asking them to come back

[merry fiber]

I think you’re missing the point

[frigid plover]

hes been missing the point

[buoyant lodge]

yea fr kymer 💀

[tribal glade]

Highest it's been so far lol

[frigid plover]

@fallen badge

heres the point

[merry fiber]

Lol

[frigid plover]

of the whole post

[fallen badge]

u guys are on bloodmoon with a lower ping idk u guys arent making any sense

[buoyant lodge]

He's upset that people aren't playing on dragonking even after the ping was changed
But you can't just force people to come back to the server after they moved to other servers xD

[buoyant lodge]

Not everybody is

[fallen badge]

also yes if parts are a issue then upgrad e

[buoyant lodge]

Spend money to not desync just sounds lame

i'd rather just play the game with what i have

[merry fiber]

I can’t afford that

[spark crest]

ok mr rich man

[frigid plover]

..... i cant even reason with this man

[fallen badge]

BRO upgrading is needed to play future GAMES

[zealous atlas]

people are it's not 0/100 now

just depends on the time of day

[frigid plover]

its like talking to a pigeon

[zealous atlas]

😂

[buoyant lodge]

what future games

i'm not talking about future games, i'm talking about dod you goof

[buoyant lodge]

I know people play more now which is nice

[frigid plover]

bros gonna pay for his whole clan to play bc he doesnt want anyone left out right

[buoyant lodge]

But he's upset that everyone hasn't came back

[merry fiber]

I’m a college student just trying to play games in the future will I upgrade yeah but I can’t afford to rn just to play a dragon game people don’t tip that well anymore

[wanton cargo]

hear me out, as a player id love to upgrade but i literally cannot due to many aspects
and so cant many other players

[buoyant lodge]

Yeah

[small cedar]

same w fandom

[buoyant lodge]

Asking the community to upgrade is wild

[frigid plover]

and no one deserves to not be able to play a game theyve been following since 2019 right as it releases

[merry fiber]

I wish I could

[fallen badge]

how is it the devs fault because people cant afford the parts

U need money to play the game soooo

[frigid plover]

because they are limiting peoples ability to even play the game imo

[buoyant lodge]

Do you think if we pushed for Anti Cheat it would be implemented instead of this ping cap?

[merry fiber]

We already bought the game dude

[wanton cargo]

this is why lowspec was introduced and devs are working on improving it and merging with 1.0

[frigid plover]

you're missing inclusivity.. you're not even considering the people in your clan suffering from the issue

[tribal glade]

Anti cheat > ping cap

[frigid plover]

only yourself

[fallen badge]

yes and they made servers for that tooo

[buoyant lodge]

It's pretty selfish

[spark crest]

it's like talking to a wall

[buoyant lodge]

minority over majority

[merry fiber]

Think you replied to the wrong one but yes W

[fallen badge]

its simply not, its reality buddy

[tribal glade]

Oh oopsie

[merry fiber]

Lol

[small cedar]

i feel like the only thing u do is sit here and complain atm im glad all peepes can play for the most part

[merry fiber]

I didn’t get kicked yesterday

[buoyant lodge]

your reality seems delusional respectfully

[merry fiber]

I was able to grow an ss

[frigid plover]

if it isnt affecting imo it doesnt need to be fixed.. right guys?

[buoyant lodge]

differ of opinions i guess?

[fallen badge]

yup for sure

[small cedar]

yup

[buoyant lodge]

there is a reason this thread has 111 upvotes you know

[zealous atlas]

20$ isn't real money

[merry fiber]

I still think an anti cheat would help make those worried about the lag switching feel better

[buoyant lodge]

Anti cheat would be so nice man

[merry fiber]

Like if they open something sketchy closes the game

[buoyant lodge]

But it has to be made right

[merry fiber]

Boom

[small cedar]

they have cheatenigine speed anti cheat thats it

[wanton cargo]

to be fair after steam updated prices i cant afford another copy of dod

[fallen badge]

I dont think u get the whole picture but anyways

[buoyant lodge]

If it's executed poorly, it would just be like the ping cap we have right now

and just a nuisance

[wanton cargo]

and if i cant afford a copy of dod then..

[frigid plover]

anti cheat + network monitoring system with packet loss notifications that restrict playermovement instead of kicking them from game (similar to isle)

[zealous atlas]

a good cpu costs a lot more than the game

[spark crest]

imagine opening medal and the game closes xD

[buoyant lodge]

poor fandom :(

[merry fiber]

[small cedar]

a good gpu is 400+ ez

[tribal glade]

Bro is blaming the player base for being poor when it's the devs job to make the game playable FOR the player base 😭😭😭

[merry fiber]

I wish I could get a new graphics card for my pc

But money

[small cedar]

hes just talking thats all it is

[wanton cargo]

devs are working on improving everything, they do read all suggestions and feedback
id say another thread for the anticheat > ping cap would be best in this case since this thread is all over the place

[small cedar]

useless input cuz he dont care

[zealous atlas]

buy an rtx 4070 super

[merry fiber]

My current one is a 1060

[small cedar]

i would recommend amd

[tribal glade]

This thread is "alternatives for ping cap" and anti-cheat is an alternative so I'm not following, respectfully.

[wanton cargo]

i recommend touching grass

[small cedar]

amd is cheaper for the same thing

[small cedar]

LOL

[zealous atlas]

RTX 4090 is better

[merry fiber]

I have on my spring break Ty very much granted mostly sand

[wanton cargo]

i still have snow

[small cedar]

not price wise

400 price diff'

for the same thing

[merry fiber]

Yeah I saw vids of some places with snow it’s wild never gotten that much in NC

[buoyant lodge]

I just don't think it would happen regardless if we had majority upvotes on implementing an Anti Cheat

[fallen badge]

Im just saying the developers said you will need higher specs to play the game, which = to better graphics card and the devs have made lower graphic settings (Potato) for u all but they are being selfish. I said my peace. Contradicting everything

[wanton cargo]

honey im broke

[buoyant lodge]

because anti cheat has been a reoccurring discussion for awhile now

I have no faith it will be added, as much as I want it to be implemented

[small cedar]

i can give u a copy of the game free

[buoyant lodge]

W Shrooms

[wanton cargo]

from what i understand anti cheat is partly what kicks people for desync
cant say for sure cause

cant run 1.0

[small cedar]

they made the player model hard

[tribal glade]

You can't run 1.0? 😭
Bc of the desync?

[small cedar]

so models get stuck and dont move

[frigid plover]

see.. even fandom is part of the community i'm trying to stand up for here.. just because it isnt affecting you or your friends doesnt mean it isnt affecting the community

[wanton cargo]

no its ok give it to someone who doesnt have the game but wants to try it out

[wanton cargo]

no because of my laptop being literally paper

[zealous atlas]

I don't have the game and would like to try it out 🙋‍♂️

[wanton cargo]

[tribal glade]

Oooohhhhh man that sucks
I thought it was desync

[buoyant lodge]

fandom you just declined an offer of a lifetime 🥹

it's like receiving free discord nitro

[wanton cargo]

desync is also a problem. back at testing it was also kicking me out.. for sitting at a puddle

[buoyant lodge]

i would've been like "heck yeah" lmao

[zealous atlas]

i mean nitro works

[buoyant lodge]

sadge

[wanton cargo]

listen i have 4 copies and another would be nice but i dont need it

[buoyant lodge]

oml

[wanton cargo]

someone else might need it though

[buoyant lodge]

nah you need 5

I have 5, its the perfect amount

[wanton cargo]

i had 5 i gave one away to my partner

[buoyant lodge]

fair

I was thinking of giving one to my friends to try it out, but the current state of the game is...interesting and I'm not so sure I want to pull them into this mess

[wanton cargo]

can always wait a little bit
maybe gift it on their bday or a holiday

[frigid plover]

i have 15

[small cedar]

i have 69

[buoyant lodge]

geez

[small cedar]

this threed has so many messages

[merry fiber]

My stuff is with in their specs and I was still having issues so…

[merry fiber]

I has 6

[zinc pasture]

I have an RTX of 4060 and I don’t have connection issues. BUT I do have times where the FPS just PLUMMETS for a moment

[jolly cypress]

I have a crappo comp ( not really, its olay not great tho) but I have only been kicked once and that was in spawn menu as i loaded into the game.

Before the change to ping. After that, no. But i will say I have been noticing weird frame spikes lately. My game stutters like crazy o.o

[polar cargo]

I play PvE and still get kicked for desync 😭 it started happening yesterday actually so something is effecting it

Got kicked like 4x over the course of an hour

[merry fiber]

Weird that’s what jao said

Hmmmm

[loud rover]

if only the anti cheat worked,,,,

[quartz raft]

Which one?

[loud rover]

whatever one DoD has ig

[hallow birch]

david it happened at like 1am our time and ive had work

[steady warren]

If I log on right now

How many people on dragon king will I see

@zealous atlas

[neat musk]

Opinion on pineapple on pizza?

[upbeat venture]

Keep this forum on topic please, otherwise it will be locked/closed.

[zealous atlas]

It was 17/100 until we got off to play a game with more to do

[neat musk]

https://tenor.com/view/dawg-shivermetimbers-dog-chattering-im-so-scared-gif-22657721

[zealous atlas]

No idea what it is rn

Did not go past 4/100 for the 2 weeks people left it for

[tribal glade]

If 600ms does not work out I'm sure they'll remove it all together. I feel now that it has been raised we will definitely see more population rise ^^
BC that's like, direct cause and effect.

Ping cap fixed / disabled, pop rises. So we will see.

Disabled is the next alternative

[quartz raft]

The solution didn’t work

Still getting kicked

[merry fiber]

Oh nooooo

600 ping cap and you still get kicked calis

Sads

Time to alert the troops

@buoyant lodge

[quartz raft]

It’s just when I’m trying to log in or taking egg

Logging in and off also takes me a whole minute

With a rtx 2060 and ryzen 5

[frigid plover]

Wifi or Ethernet @quartz raft

[quartz raft]

ETHERNET

Playing with WiFi is completely out of the table

60mb internet

[frigid plover]

You and smokes are the only two that still get dcd in my direct circle of friends.. he’s stuck on wifi so his might be fixable but you on the other hand

[upbeat venture]

Feedback and Suggestions Update! (#1216491835866742976 message)
Placing for large feedback posts so individuals are aware

[mossy fractal]

There was no way majority of anbu could play with 300 ping due to ping spikes and now there’s no big bois left on there

[buoyant lodge]

Still getting kicked for desync

Why the hell does my own thread have a slow time

[still trench]

Please keep the feedback forums on topic

[mossy fractal]

believe it or not we are talking about ping

[still trench]

I'm talking about the message delay comments

[wanton cargo]

#1208578801445904394 message

Should you choose to comment on a thread, use that response to extrapolate on how you would expand on the feedback to improve it or how you would change the feedback to make it more appropriate from your perspective.

that is all that will be said on the matter

[iron wadi]

Its sad to see that they did something about the ping cap and theres still people who dislike it. Some servers even had it removed - just like the demand in the poll said.

I'm guessing some server migration is in order if yall dont like it. Also the two hour delay is ridiculous 😂

Or maybe they could move your dragons to another capless server? Not sure its how it works.

Edit2: Oh damn. None of the PvP servers had it removed? That's unfortunate.

[buoyant lodge]

From what I know, none of the PvP servers had their ping cap removed. Maybe they were for a short period of time, but a minority group complained about it being removed so it was instead increased from 300 ms to 600 ms, which is overall better, but it still prevents some players from playing when they get kicked for desynchronization

[upbeat venture]

#1216491835866742976 message
Please read before posting

[hallow birch]

Glad I ain't even loaded the game up then

Why is there a cool down

[oblique spear]

Was the ping cap for real re added to all the PVP servers? This seems like a slap in the face for all that effort

[opal path]

Who is that referring too? Because ppl are still on topic for the ping and getting kicked?

[zealous atlas]

It was added back due to a very small minority group (people who wanted it to remain) speaking out and although we drowned out their voices in the vote they still got it changed. All in all, the vote clearly didn't matter cause the one that won with an overwhelming amount didn't actually win.

[upbeat venture]

Was posted in all of the recent larger feedback chats so individuals are aware of the changes

[opal path]

Ohhhhh I see Ty!

[buoyant lodge]

It honestly was
But you can't have everything I guess
I've already decided to uninstall @oblique spear

[oblique spear]

by everything, you mean be unable to play the game? It should be obvious what the better decision is. A few people complaining about their PVP experience or an entire population that is being excluded from playing at all? Which is more important?

[hazy cedar]

We're going to keep ping caps the way they currently are, here's why.

300ms is more than sufficient for regional PvP with good internet.
450ms is more than sufficient for regional pvp with bad internet or international pvp with good internet
600ms is more than sufficient for regional pvp with bad internet and international pvp with bad internet.

If you are over 600ms, something is terribly wrong with your internet latency, either bad wifi, satellite, downloading/watching videos while playing, or you live in antarctica. There is no way that someone with 600ms+ should expect to have a good pvp experience on any server. But 600ms+ will hurt others pvp experience. It also allows people with good internet to lag switch which hurts others pvp experience.

There are also alternatives to Official PvP servers, aka community PvP servers and Official DvE servers that have no ping cap.

[topaz edge]

Facts.

Although, it seems that there were players being kicked for desync that perhaps should not have, based on their hardware and bandwidth at least. Side-note, I know already that bandwidth is not an indicator of latency, but it's still a useful benchmark to compare. It's hard to understand what the root cause of the desync kick is for players that are affected and what their latency is without server logs to prove/disprove their latency.

As always, looking forward to improvements made to better the game's experience. Thanks for taking the time to explain this decision.

[zealous atlas]

So DvE being "fight" the 20-23 scrab spawns on the map

Second message cause 30 min cooldown: Also worth noting that the servers prior to 1.0 weren't popular because so many people from that region played there, they were popular because all other regions were dead so everyone went there to play either way

Third message cause 30 min cooldown: If going the route of keeping the ping caps was a thing, what was the point of including an option to have separate servers for and without ping if there were no plans to uphold that option if it won (it did).

[frigid plover]

Once clientside playermodel/serverside sync is fixed do you think there would be a chance to not limit/punish playability for people with satellite internet that may have uncontrollable small ping spikes that could affect their pvp experience by making them get kicked and lose a dragon over a 1 second spike?

It would be fun to be able to play more populated servers as well when things are slow.

This is of course once playermodel desync isn’t a thing anymore.

If I can play Petra on isle/ warthunder with people worldwide without desync or a ping cap I’d love to see DoD reach a similar level of playability worldwide

[jolly cypress]

Either that or give revives for players that get kicked (and killed) due to a small ping spike 😐

[tribal glade]

This would be an amazing alternative and devs should most definitely consider there ^^^^

[jolly cypress]

Like it would be somewhat better if they at least offered revives... making it so "Oh, you have REALLY bad internet? Well sorry you can't play pvp because you'll ruin it for others" just makes the game look bad.

At least revive for people's dragons if they die to kicks 😭

[still trench]

Please don't pings devs unless they are actively taking part in discussions ^^

[frigid plover]

Regardless I hope he answers my question bc I’ve been hoping/wondering about how resolving desyncing playermodels as a whole might negate lagswitchers and allow for more inclusivity and worldwide together play

[carmine wasp]

My ping has been consistent between 50 and 70 and i keep getting kicked

[steady warren]

Hey devs just cuz you changed the disconnect message does not mean the problem is solved

[mossy fractal]

Tbh the increased ping caps have helped a lot

[hazy cedar]

on what server?

steamid?

[carmine wasp]

Molten Mountain and 76561199228924524

[hazy cedar]

@bronze heart Pull this log 👆 for me and send to me, thanks

[hazy cedar]

you got kicked by the server because your latency spiked over 500ms

[summer vigil]

Yeah ping changes faster than probably what the UI displays, which is possibly why you didn’t see it.

Ironically the higher the ping, the slower it updates on your client in most games too. Not sure if that’s the case in DoD.

[frigid plover]

if you are running wifi, run ethernet, if you are running a satellite internet connection and ethernet, there is no soluition or grace for minor ping spikes yet, hopefully there will be changes made to the kicking system for people with satellite internet connections who may live in rural areas without other options.
i also still suffer from this on MM and believe no one should be kicked for an uncontrollable ping spike that lasts 1-5seconds.

[gaunt merlin]

If it's a possibility they could implement a timer for it. I don't know what a good time would be to help reduce kicking from the uncontrollable spikes but perhaps 30 seconds to a minute? For example if your ping is above the cap for 30s-1min or if it spikes too many times within that time frame (maybe 5-10 times?)
I'm not even sure if something like that is possible but just throwing it out there

[loud rover]

they said they implemented it if we rested over the ping limit, but people still get kicked for spiking for a few seconds.

[gaunt merlin]

Apparently they need to make some more adjustments to what "resting over" is then