#Singe Crest Modifications

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light bison
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Ever since the Singe Crest got its modifications, I have LOVED IT. But something always felt out of place. I eventually figured it was the healers primary and secondary tailfins. Their diamondlike shape didn't feel like it fit the swooping, osprey, piscivorous wyvern. They didn't look like fins a fish would use to paddle.
What if, instead, we gave the Singe Crest some Marlin? Being one of the fastest fish in the ocean (second to sailfish, which are similar, but I feel the Marlins appearance fits more), its structure and its grandiosity is nothing to scoff at - its brilliant sail and the sleek motion of how it moves would be perfect for something as fast and fleeting as the Singe Crest, with no detraction at all to its speedy figure.
On top of that, it would also make its tail and wings match, with the slopping, curved wingtips and its curved crest, it only makes sense the tailfins should get similar treatment. The singe crest can even preserve the pointed tip at the very end of its tail for the flashy markings seen on the current model.
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Secondarily, I would like to see a marlin-esque fin (or something similar, like something similar to its headcrest placed onto its back like a sharks fin) be added to the healers back, which do help fish with their agility when turning in water (and can see a similar use for the healer). It shouldn't be large so as to not intrude on the healers sleek look, but still contribute to its silhouette.

Day of dragons is proud of its ability to integrate semi-science into its dragons to bring a sense of pseudorealism - shadowscales sleek speed, IRs gel pores to alight itself, flame stalkers heat pits, hybrids powerful chest to beat all of its wings, and now I feel the staple piscivorous wyvern needs some tweaks to justify its water speed.
edit for discussion links clarifying some details of what im envisioning here:
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Something I want to add but I did not want to add to the suggestion itself as it is personal thought and not something that influenced my consideration of this suggestion:
Day of Dragons has designs that have been accused time and time again of being "too similar" to other ip dragons. While the designs or other dragons accused like the hybrid and shadowscale are blamed because of one or two traits (tail and 4 wings, and speed and invisibility respectively), they ultimately still maintain significant originality. I feel as if the Healer is the biggest "culprit" to me of this situation. with its (once) segmented wings, the vertical crest, wyvern status, and - after the merging of its segmented secondary fins - its secondary fins.
the healers secondary fins merging slightly reverse some of the originality it once drew in its OG model, and so adding an animal that does not exist in a certain IP dragons design that the healer is blamed to be "taken" or "ripped" (their words, not mine) from, could distance itself while also adding to the quality and functionality of the model logistically.

haughty veldt
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I got something for this. was bored so, check this out 😉

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As you suggested.. I think haha

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did you mean that? xD

light bison
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AYY yeah, but on the secondary tailfin too!

warped solar
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Atomix I love this idea it would be great, but at the same time the SC looks very streamlined and sleak, though the fins would help so I’m kinda on the fence

haughty veldt
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you mean the one on the butt? 😮

light bison
light bison
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i call those the secondary fins. since theyre secondary to the tailtip fins that do most of the work 😮

haughty veldt
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oh yeah, i forgot. I didn't see teh butt ones. ok lemme try again haha

warped solar
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The one on the shoulders should be a little lower and go farther down the back instead of so high up

haughty veldt
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fair enough xD

light bison
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yeah, i can see it being shorter on females and bigger on males, but it should stay on the low-end in general in order to maintain the healers sleek figure

warped solar
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Yeah kinda like an orca

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Just not at large lol

light bison
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It shouldn't be large so as to not intrude on the healers sleek look, but still contribute to its silhouette.

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from the suggestion 😮

warped solar
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More like this maybe? ( sorry for bad quality)

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light bison
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well, my intiial idea was to have it be like a marlins fin

warped solar
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It shouldn’t be to large but also shouldn’t be dull and round I like the point to it

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I mean size wise

light bison
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ah yeah

warped solar
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Not the shape much

light bison
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also for anyone not versed in fish-ology, this is a marlin

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haughty veldt
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me right now listenign to you guys <___>

warped solar
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Lol

haughty veldt
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ty for puttin ghte swordfish back in here hahaha

warped solar
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Yea I like that

light bison
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marlin arent swordfish, but they are similar

haughty veldt
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oh my bad xD

light bison
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marlin has that distinctive slope i want to see on the singe crest

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sailfish have a huge sail instead

haughty veldt
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you're right

light bison
warped solar
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Diffferent marlins I found

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I like the black marlins fin

light bison
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yep. the tapering can vary - something that could be done is that it can be like the IRs dimorphism where the male has a lot of tapering in its fins, but the females have little to none

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so the males appear to ahve more "prominent" physical traits without harming its survivability by evolving that bit

warped solar
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I love this idea but the smooth singe is stuck on my mind, but idk your idea sounds amazing

light bison
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so females could look like black marlin tapering while males get something like atlantic blue marlin

warped solar
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Would the fins on the back connect or be separated?

light bison
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im right about to mouse-sketch an example hold on

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its hard to get the smooth line so it looks accurate to what im thinking

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darn mouse

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imagine the bright blue is a "solid" piece like the singe crests' crest

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the dark blue is the membrane

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that could be female

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and male could be longer down the back

warped solar
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Ok yeah that sounds good tbh

light bison
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so instead of just an ASD-like set of spines connected by membranes (which wouldnt fit the healer at all) it would have its blue bone crest on its back too, with membrane tapering down

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obviously its just a sketch idea, and the scaling probabaly is a bit weird, but the nice thing is that its scalable anyways

warped solar
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Yup, that’s great it would fit the singe perfectly

haughty veldt
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I struggled mimicking that butt fin. This program doesn't have an easy stamp tool or I just dunno how to use it lol

light bison
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i dont have software like that so Kek not like i can take a shot at it

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and im not about to buy photoshop

haughty veldt
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This is Krita. It's free. 😄

light bison
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OH ITS KRITA?

haughty veldt
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I'm jsut trygin to match what you guys are saying lol. Yeah it's probs an older version

light bison
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i may perhaps need to try it

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i might use the tpose though

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itll be an easier edit

haughty veldt
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yeah. this is a cool pose, but you can't really see the back fin you guys are talkin about as much. but I got the tail nicely i think. 🙂 at least I hope that's what you were thinking

light bison
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yeah that tail is basically spot on

haughty veldt
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excellent!

light bison
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i was thinking the devs might have issue if the tail is too long but the angle makes it feel like its not too long

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so it isnt too bulky on the slim tail

warped solar
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I was literally like what did you do to the tail then I looked at the regular picture

haughty veldt
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my edit on left. oops.. porbs should switched em

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wait leemmeswitch lol

warped solar
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That’d be great if they didn’t make the SC wings shorter

haughty veldt
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there 🙂

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light bison
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i do not know how to photoshop in krita.
UHM
too many loop options that i dont know what they do

haughty veldt
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I'm not photoshopping... Im drawing 😂

light bison
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yaknow

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i couldnt tell till i looked close at it

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nice

haughty veldt
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ty! ❤️ if I had the stamp tool (basically copied a selction chunk and repasted it like as a brush) would made the butt underfin easier...

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oh I see I probably should a made the opposite butt fin longer. would see more of the blue 🤔.
Well this was fun. I've been itching to use my tabelt a wee bit. was gonna try making dragon skins.... but I suck with color 😅

light bison
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@haughty veldt I figured a few things out and

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i can see it being more like this

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that export is low res as heck

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hold O N

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literally going to spend forever learning to make a photoshop of this bc it would be longer to learn to draw it

haughty veldt
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it's ok xD I did some more work haha

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added THAT lol

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light bison
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ayy yeah

haughty veldt
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but I can see if I can... bend or liquify it... ehhhhh xD

haughty veldt
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.. I can't do it in Krita 😭 lolololol It's more known for it's brush engine. not photomanipulation. this is so bad hahaha

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light bison
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im working on it dw! i have a nice working idea

haughty veldt
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nice 😄

light bison
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give me a bit, working out kinks

light bison
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okay so

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that took longer than i thought and im still not done

haughty veldt
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The more I look at my edit... even tho I agree itlooks kinda nice... I feel that it would be too much fin in the back. Even if it's meant for catching fish, I'd similar to an eagle, it doesn't need big back fins for swimming. Its more about the flight... hmmm 🤔

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Haha

light bison
haughty veldt
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Ooooooo

light bison
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thats more like what im thinking

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kind of a sloppy edit but hey

haughty veldt
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I see it now

light bison
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my first time warping cant blame me

haughty veldt
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You did a way better job than me. I was getting very angry while trying to do it. And I and the original files. I'm assuming you used the JPEG lol

light bison
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i actually used your first edit since i liked the pattern additions + the warping would be less obvious

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i was considering adding a membrane here thats the underwing material but im not sure anymore. i think thats what they tried a few times on some dragons and the weight painting did NOT like how it was connected

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i dont think the model would like it.

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because i really wanted to nail the sweeping-to-a-point the wings have in the tail fins

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i think i got it but i need fresh eyes

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AAAAAACHO @carmine mason

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maybe i could afford to make the secondary tail fin bigger, but the perspective is hard as is from this

carmine mason
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What chu need me for? XD

light bison
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opinions

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we did some picture edits

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light bison
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overlay

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red lines was just a guideline layer for warping it

haughty veldt
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Oh @light bison , Krita has a PSD save option too

light bison
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left side doesnt look that good bc i used perspective in krita to make it look a bit better than if i matched the lines

haughty veldt
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If anyone wants to try it in Photoshop... at least it should work

light bison
haughty veldt
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Up to you. I used to have Photshop on my PC, but when I got a new one I didn't feel like installing it... plus it was a very ld Elements version lol

light bison
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there we are, in case anyone actually pays for photoshop and wants to put their money to use Kek

haughty veldt
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Hahahaha

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Oh did you mirror it?

light bison
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mirrored the right fin onto the left side yeah

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ant no way i was warping that one twice lmao

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it looks better with the mirror and slight tweaking to line it up anyways

haughty veldt
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Hahahah yeah I just couldn't

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Was dragging individual points and I was getting so heated

light bison
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i had to try like 4 different ways of using the mesh alone before i figured out how to do it in incriments

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since it was easier to do fine detailing that way

haughty veldt
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You're awesome

light bison
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im prouyd of that edit even if its super rough

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hopefully its considered ^^

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gradients dont wanna cooperate so have a soft storm cloudy background near the tail lmao

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haughty veldt
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😂

light bison
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the "before" image for good measure

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i feel like it just adds more to the singe

haughty veldt
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i think we did good jobs

light bison
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i agree

haughty veldt
light bison
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thank you for your art where i could not lmao

haughty veldt
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😄

light bison
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now to let the server speak for themselves when they wake up since its late here for me

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lmao

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and probabaly pretty early in the eu

haughty veldt
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very true lolol same here for a Sunday.

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well Monday now

light bison
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yep

broken ledge
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I honestly felt a little sting in my heart when I saw the actual tail model, it just felt a little.. little, there was something missing in my opinion and boy do I love the tail idea you had. gib

light bison
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God the more i look at it the more i want it

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haughty veldt
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lololol

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I'm just happy that it looks pretty decent. Unfortunately the more I look at it, the more I think it would be too much tail fin for something meant more for teh sky. Piscevore or not. :c

broken ledge
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It's never too much when it comes to ma Singe bebe >:(

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Sky or not it is still meant to swim, looking at fisher birds a whole lot of them have "waterproof" feathers and little paddle feet to swim. Nature didn't care much that it was a bird

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If it can't swim with its feet, it needs to have something else, in this case the tail would make the most sense to me

light bison
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when im done for tonight im gonna tweak it some more

haughty veldt
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lol ok

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i told my bf about it and he thinks the tail should be shorter. he was thinking of water foul like ducks. I thought of penguins hehe

light bison
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birds dont have paddle tails though

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they have webbed feet

broken ledge
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I said "little paddle feet"

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If the Singe can't swim with its feet, since it got talon-inspired feet, it should have a tail that looks more fit for it. Like the idea you had, it's a very good start and I can't wait to see the tweaks you'll bring to it :)

light bison
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yeee

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it has osprey feet which looks good

broken ledge
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They definitely do, it might've looked a little goofy with wedded feet

light bison
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it could use its wings but its not very efficient speedwise to "flap" in the water

broken ledge
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Yeeee, having the Singe bring its wings close to the body and use its tail to go forward would surely be a better idea

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It'd probably require lots of strength and stamina to try flapping in water

haughty veldt
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Is that a Bluefooted booby???

violet ember
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I think its a ganet, I know they swim with wings and feet

broken ledge
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Well I stand corrected, it's possible to somewhat swim with wings :o

light bison
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yes

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but not fast to catch fish by itself i feel

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bc they move faster when they kick their feet

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wings just..help

broken ledge
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Ye, it's kinda cute how they seem to be "hopping" in there x)

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I wonder how it'd look with Singe, with tail motions and these little wing flaps

light bison
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@haughty veldt improved tail blending so i can resize it better later and shrunk the size a little

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also made it match the curve of the og healer tail so the tail didnt look too long
still too big?

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also pinging @broken ledge since i want inputssss

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old overlay, og tail and new tail

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not sure if i should:

  • make the tail fins longer (tried it, didnt really look great)
  • move the tailfin up to match the old tail length (probable, id have to tweak it a little so the blending didnt look as wack)
  • widen the tail (would match marlin but might cause the tail to look overbearing again)
  • other options?
haughty veldt
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Not sure honestly xD

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I think it's good that it was shrunk a little tho

light bison
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me: ill try to keep the comment thread short and to the point so people can easily catch up on progress
also me: gets carried away out of excitement

annnd now it has more comments than any other active thread rn uhm

light bison
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oh right

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whole pic for perspective

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haughty veldt
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XDD it's ok.

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Mostly us too haha

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Ah I see the difference in curve

broken ledge
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Sorry I couldn't give input, it was already the middle of the night for me ^^'

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It does certainly look a little better already

broken ledge
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I tried my best to do my idea with my shaky fingers on my phone, I am no good with the apps you use to actually tweak it so I am sorry ^^'

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You guys tell me what you think, I can't directly tweak the tail so I can't really know if it'd look good or not. It also doesn't have to be as much as the example I gave

haughty veldt
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A thicker tail fin may improve propulsion through the water with the lack of webbed feet... 🤔

broken ledge
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That's the thing I had in mind also, making it thicker like this wouldn't make it as overbearing as making the whole tail wider again

light bison
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i can try to lengthen the middle some once im home from school