water dragon maybe? | Day of Dragons | Page 1

woeful condor Mar 28, 2023, 4:45 PM

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Here's an idea for a water dragon I came up with, And Hazriel and ChaosKing helped me flesh out a bit more!

Basics:
Body type is dragon
Long and lithe build, with a mane along its back that mimics the plant life in the water. It has crescent pupils like dolphins, and it often dialates them in a pulsing movement to look like tasty fish food in order to lure prey close to its mouth.

Diet:
Omnivore
Fish preferred

Life stages:
The first fun gimmick for this dragon is that its life stages change its gameplay. As a hatchling, this dragon is purely aquatic, unable to fly or survive on land. When it reaches Juvie, this dragon can now explore land as well as water. Only once it reaches adult can it fly.

To Be Decided:

Pressurized Bile, Underwater bubble and close range blast in air, T3

Water Jet, Like the archer fish it shoots out pressurized water. T2

Goopy. Spits slime that anchors or slows prey as well as predator so that way this dragon can escape. T2

Venom. Inky cloud usable underwater, symbiosis with swamp snappers as the cloud cleans off its oarasites and potentially boosts it in return for the swamp snapper not being hostile. T1.

Perhaps it can glide rather than fly, But it mimics flight when over bodies of water due to thermals?

Otherwise to keep it restricted to water biomes for the most part, Perhaps a hydration mechanic. When out of water for too long, hydration lowers and you suffer negative effects.
Possibility 1: Hydration replaces thirst. Drains faster but can be replenished by dunking into water.
Possibility 2: Seperate countdown. Starts by capping your max stam bit by bit, after capping at half stam it will start to apply sickness.

Lure placements to be decided:
Earrings/Second eyes
Tongue
Markings

I will add extra images as links below:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1090315653476515921/1090326408837988372/Illustration453_1.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1090315653476515921/1090377661861351504/Illustration453_2.png

native wolf Mar 28, 2023, 4:49 PM

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I'm sorry I can't unsee the fish earrings and it's too funny XD
But otherwise I love the idea

woeful condor Mar 28, 2023, 4:55 PM

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Hey you need some fancy fish accessories
It totally just let a fish bite it xD
But yeah I might do some other lure placements when I have time too
Maybe some horns that curl forward on the head that are used to slash fish for this lure placement?

native wolf Mar 28, 2023, 5:01 PM

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Or it's tongue? Like a snapping turtle, or the end of the tail like some rattlesnakes has

woeful condor Mar 28, 2023, 5:02 PM

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Ooh, The tongue might be a good one yeah
The tail is currently a fin but I can try that one too

native wolf Mar 28, 2023, 5:04 PM

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Or body markings on the head mimicking the pattern and shape of brightly colored smaller fish

woeful condor Mar 28, 2023, 5:27 PM

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Here's the tongue Idea for now, I'll try the markings and tail later!

fossil jasper Mar 28, 2023, 5:55 PM

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The ability to fly seems a bit much to me, since water is essentially its domain. Also, what kind of bile attack would it have?

woeful condor Mar 28, 2023, 5:57 PM

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I have not thought about a bile attack yet, However I was thinking it would be a max T3, So I don't think flight would be op, Especially as flight needn't be its strong suit, Nor land locomotion
That and I was considering a fun gimmick where hatchling is purely aquatic, Juvie can go on land, And flight perhaps only at adulthood, So each stage feels very diverse

fossil jasper Mar 28, 2023, 5:58 PM

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I like that!

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As far as a bile attack... hmmm, what about pressurized bubbles?

woeful condor Mar 28, 2023, 6:00 PM

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Oh that might be fun, And would make it less op outside of its element as well if its bile attack cannot manifest the way it is supposed to in air

fossil jasper Mar 28, 2023, 6:01 PM

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Exactly. They would still work in air, but would work more like a trap. Or, you could easily go with the good old archer fish

woeful condor Mar 28, 2023, 6:02 PM

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Oh archer fish is fun, Shoot water at the dragons xD
Another possibility might be Venom, But it has a bile attack inderwater that causes an inky cloud

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But high mobility venom is risky

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Probably need to be a t1 with weak venom

fossil jasper Mar 28, 2023, 6:03 PM

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Which wouldn't go well once snappers came out...

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Hmmm.. what if they had a unique passive? One that made the snappers ignore them unless prevoked

woeful condor Mar 28, 2023, 6:04 PM

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Oh yeah definitely not, Unless the bile attack blocks the AI line of sight and stops chase
Oh that would be a good alternative too, Maybe they have a slightly symbiotic relationship

fossil jasper Mar 28, 2023, 6:05 PM

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Was my thought! The snappers help protect the dragon. But what would the snappers get in exchange?

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Other than just potential bait for other dragons to eat XD

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Eh, now that I type it... that actually makes perfect sense

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Could also be similar to the spider and the frog.

woeful condor Mar 28, 2023, 6:07 PM

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Bait, And maybe the vebom cloud can potentially kill off parasites from the snapper if the snapper has imunity
Pff would the dragon be the tiny frog?

fossil jasper Mar 28, 2023, 6:08 PM

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Kinda? The snapper would protect the dragon, while the dragon ate the fish that might attack the snappers young

native wolf Mar 28, 2023, 6:09 PM

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What about a more unique "attack" like those eels what become extremely sticky and gooey on air

fossil jasper Mar 28, 2023, 6:09 PM

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You mean hagfish?

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That's a ew idea. But I like it XD

native wolf Mar 28, 2023, 6:09 PM

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Yeah

fossil jasper Mar 28, 2023, 6:10 PM

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The slime could even gunk up any dragons that bite it, blocking bile attacks for a while and preventing stamina regen

native wolf Mar 28, 2023, 6:11 PM

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Yeah or stick them to the ground giving it time to escape

fossil jasper Mar 28, 2023, 6:11 PM

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That too. In the water, I do like the venom cloud idea.

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Especially with the symbiosis

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The cloud could even buff the snappers

woeful condor Mar 28, 2023, 6:32 PM

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Edited the main post a bit, Can't add the images as links now because I don't have time, But got the main points and what we have been talking about up there if you guya have feedback?

Edit: Oop nevermind got the other image I have so far added

native wolf Mar 28, 2023, 6:44 PM

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I could imagine it flying like the battle Mounts from the way of water, where they technically just "glide" above water, maybe let them go higher a bit but they can't sustain flight because their wings aren't strong/big enough?

old kindle Mar 28, 2023, 7:09 PM

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You could borrow some ideas from the poster I made; “eastern water dragon concept”

coarse otter Mar 28, 2023, 7:22 PM

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My idea is perhaps water be it’s main habitat but has an ability of flight to catch sea birds and to escape oceanic predators?

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And otherwise on land it would be more like gliding rather than full blown flight

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Like it can raise its altitude but it’s not as adept at flight and isn’t built for it

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Also the wings would assist in its swimming abilities like how puffins have wings but aren’t great fliers

native wolf Mar 28, 2023, 7:55 PM

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Yeah it's similar to what I imagined, I just compared it to flying fish

woeful condor Mar 28, 2023, 8:29 PM

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Oh I like the gliding above land but semi flight above water, Maybe the wings somewhat resemble a fin in thickness so it needs strong updrafts from the sun heating the water in order to maintain flight? Potentially able to fly above areas where the environment might have hot updrafts like lava lands biome too, But I think it would probably not fare well there
But a cool idea for thermals, Might be nice to have for other dragons

But yeah I wanted this dragon to mainly be in and around water, but be able to use land movement and then flight to obtain a vatiety in its diet and explore, I would say it would probably need to stay near at least a good sized river

Also I like your water drake bulsen, I absolutrly love the foldable fins on its limbs! I'm not sure what I would add from that, But I'd say feel free to take ideas from this thread too, I'd love if both these aquatics got in the game

native wolf Mar 28, 2023, 8:39 PM

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Maybe make it like amphibians, where they can get out of water but needs to stay humid...like have a special stat what constantly drains out of water and it's speed depends on where they are, like the lava lands would dry them out super fast, but in the swamp they could spend a long time

woeful condor Mar 28, 2023, 8:43 PM

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Oh I like that, Poor thing would likely have a very easy to munch body though
Rip little water dragon
Maybe the dryness will cap out at the most half of the normal stamina rather than being fatal?
Personally an extra fatality timer like hunger and thirst would be awful
Unless thirst itself is replaced by humidity and it can be regained by drinking or getting into water

native wolf Mar 28, 2023, 8:46 PM

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It could start with draining stamina, but if you ignore it long enough it could apply a sickness type effect

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And yeah I think it should be able to be "reset" with submerging in water

woeful condor Mar 28, 2023, 8:51 PM

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Oh the sickness would be good too

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Also did a fish marking lure sketch

native wolf Mar 28, 2023, 8:52 PM

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Aww cute

woeful condor Mar 28, 2023, 8:55 PM

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Thank you!
I added the image, Gliding, And hydration to the main text so people see it all easier!

native wolf Mar 28, 2023, 8:58 PM

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Nice, I really hope at least some ideas get considered for the future

fossil jasper Mar 28, 2023, 8:59 PM

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Hmmm. Maybe make it like spino in PoT where it gets dehydrated really easy outside of water?

native wolf Mar 28, 2023, 9:00 PM

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Yeah that's what we were talking about:D

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I could imagine a deep sea variant with glowing markings and wings adapted to catch or spear prey instead of flying

woeful condor Mar 28, 2023, 9:02 PM

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I have two suggestions on the main one about hydration, If you've another spin I'd love to hear! I haven't played much of pot sadly!

Ooh I would love to see a deep sea variant
Oh reminds me of a suggestion I wantrd to make where deep deep underwater might have the same effect as the bio caves on skins

native wolf Mar 28, 2023, 9:03 PM

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Yeah that would be cool

fossil jasper Mar 28, 2023, 9:03 PM

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Maybe it could be the first dragon to drastically change along with what you said about it needing to be in water for baby form? Like it starts like almost a tadpole?

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Or like a small eel kind of look

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As it grows, it's torso would become more defined as well as sprouting limbs. As a juvie, it would have its limbs, but their fins on the limbs would be non existent. As it grew to adult, defined fins on the front legs would grow.

native wolf Mar 28, 2023, 9:07 PM

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That would be awesome, but if it needs 3 drastically separate models for it's life stages I'm sure it would be an expensive dlc

fossil jasper Mar 28, 2023, 9:07 PM

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Or part of a quatic bundle DLC. Don't tell me people wouldn't pay XD

native wolf Mar 28, 2023, 9:10 PM

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Oh I'm sure they would XD

woeful condor Mar 28, 2023, 9:13 PM

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id pay v.v a lot

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Here's for growth stage suggestion, But tried to keep it close enough that perhaps deformation could still work to cover it?

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I can touch it up more later my phone is just nearly dead NihilBioOhno

native wolf Mar 28, 2023, 9:17 PM

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Maybe give the baby form bigger axolotl type frills as gills? And they would shrink as they grow

woeful condor Mar 28, 2023, 9:20 PM

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Oh that would be adorable!

fossil jasper Mar 28, 2023, 10:17 PM

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What about fins on the baby form? They could look similar to a shark's. As it grew, the would lengthen and bend into limb. Then as it grew to the adult, the connected base would kinda detach and grow into the wings

native wolf Mar 28, 2023, 10:19 PM

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That's not exactly how wings evolve tho...fins maybe but wings needs be ones in them to function

fossil jasper Mar 28, 2023, 10:24 PM

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I know, I meant more it would kinda detaches from being fully connected to the torso, then spread and stretch along the limb. When folded, it would somewhat retain a fin like appearance, but it could spread into the wings.

native wolf Mar 28, 2023, 10:29 PM

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I think I don't get it, sorry dracThink

fossil jasper Mar 28, 2023, 10:35 PM

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Honestly this is the best way I can think of to desribe it. Obviously not as fantastical, but basic concept.

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Like when adult, the wings are like this, except more fin like

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But as a Juvie, they're not as pronounced, smaller so they only really work for swiming.

coarse otter Mar 28, 2023, 11:10 PM

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Maybe an idea would be you would get a random chance of hatching in the deep sea, ocean, or maybe like the coast. With different variants of each, along with slightly changed skins (like deep sea has deep purples and blues while ocean has more blue green kind greyish tones and then coastal would have brighter greens and blues mixed with some oranges or yellows along with a base color similar to oceanic variants) the models wouldn’t need to be so different, maybe deep sea would be slightly larger with more frills and ocean and tropical being about the same. Any changes to this idea would be happily appreciated or anything you wanna add 💖

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I just love the idea of a sea dragon. Maybe a lil obsessed

native wolf Mar 29, 2023, 12:45 AM

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fossil jasper

Ooh, so like a wyvern kind

#water dragon maybe?