young burrow
I can see this as a future change after it goes Live but that will likely require play data to see if the bio is popular and drops off or if people just ignore it. And yeah Nesting is gonna be a serious issue as this dragon is gonna be bullied hard.
Need evidence of what a defenseless creature looks like Check out Isle Evrima and look at the little bird they have. It's just a snack lol
paper grove
the bio is going to be poisonous to eat, like the red mushrooms. so I assume the eggs are going to be as well.
upper pendant
Yup, best guess is that the eggs with be toxic.
young burrow
Doesn't stop people from murdering them for the lulz. Oh no it's poisonous to eat! Was still fun to bully because suck it KS Scrub!
maiden abyss
I mean the bio can take off from the ground and is going to be the fastest dragon in the game so unless you sneak up on one you’re probably not gonna kill it
wise sparrow
bio is fine how it is. it can outrun anything in the air
maiden abyss
They have small cave systems where they can nest in where bigger dragons can’t get in
wise sparrow
nesting is supposed to be dangerous for every dragon if your getting your nest stolent or destroyed you didnt hid it well enough
maiden abyss
I mean micro can steal anyone’s eggs and if a bio player really wanted to stay safe they would find a good location for their nest
wise sparrow
you talking about the micro correct?
maiden abyss
And the mega map is BIG. Nests are gonna be hard to find unless you’re really looking
wise sparrow
that would be a problem with every dragon
maiden abyss
Other dragons would defend bios
wise sparrow
honestly from what ive seen in the test server no one tries to kill bios on purpose. i feel like this would be the same in public servers
maiden abyss
True and I get saying that they’re defenseless but in the wild there are simply defenseless creatures that need bigger guys to protect them. That’s why bios are fast, to make it so that because they can’t defend themselves they can simply run away
wise sparrow
besides not every animal has ways to defend themselves cause they simply use speed to run away from predators
maiden abyss
I mean bios aren’t built to defend themselves, they’re built for cave life and to be like a little bird. Some animals specialize in speed for survival instead of defense or combat and are completely harmless. It’s not a bad thing, it just means that the bio is meant for different functions
wise sparrow
`exactly
i could get behind if bios spit like blinded someone for a few seconds if they were hit in the eyes
maiden abyss
Or maybe they could kind of ‘disguise’ their nest that would be better
Like they would make their nests from branches and leaves to match the environment so their eggs are less likely to be taken
young burrow
bio is fine how it is. it can outrun anything in the air
You underestimate how much people will attack other players for having things they don't. Defenseless dragon? That's just something to kill for a power trip? Player had an exclusive or hard to get skin? You bet they are gonna do everything they can to kill them to get a rise out of that player.
Speed is not enough to save the bio. All it takes is a tickle from any other dragon to kill it and there is no chance of it harming them in return even in super small amounts and using that speed to kite them. Just watch the bio flowers will be camped because how dare they have a exclusive dragon! If we can't have it they all die.
wise sparrow
no i know full well what people will do. im saying bio is a defenceless dragon because it survives by living in caves and being extremely fass
young burrow
Now what if it had a debuff effect? Maybe not damage but what if it's bio bile added a slow effect? I'm really thinking that the Bio is gonna have to have something other than make a dragon glow. People keep saying it will allow for marking a dragon to attack. Ok and? You think a bio is gonna be able to fly into an aerial battle with SS and FS spewing bile attacks? Never mind Ravagers on Fire with an AoE death zone?
tulip musk
Lives in caves where micros can enter freely and I already saw people say that they'll bring ASD pups there to cause chaos between bios, and now that the ASD Is even immune to it's poison, it's s free meal
young burrow
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And I also saw people talking about they will just camp the cave entrances to stop bios from leaving. So again another issue
young burrow
i could get behind if bios spit like blinded someone for a few seconds if they w...
This is the exact gimmick the small bird in Isle Evrima uses and NOBODY bothers with that bird because even 30 of em can't stop a single Raptor (the ASD equivalent of that game) and it doesn't save them
wise sparrow
This is the exact gimmick the small bird in Isle Evrima uses and NOBODY bothers ...
uh no. i see quite a few people playing ptera in the isle
young burrow
And how long do they live? I played it as well and meeting another bird was an OMG YOUR A BIRD TOO! Moment lol
wise sparrow
thats fair lol.
tulip musk
What about making ai neuter towards bios (except elementals and maybe pookie) so they could nest in areas "protected" by mobs like the rhino
wise sparrow
ooh i like that. would make sense for there to be ai hiding in those caves
tulip musk
Yeah and with the bio being so small, weak and even bad to eat, it's logical that they just ignore them as long as they aren't too troublesome
A bit off topic, with my sleepy state I thought your PFP was a screaming cat XD the T in the visor as the chin, the black shadow above is the mouth and the ....I guess light lines around the helm as the ears
wise sparrow
~~A bit off topic, with my sleepy state I thought your PFP was a screaming cat X...
LOL
pallid geyser
Last I heard the bio was gonna have a flash ability that blinds dragons? Did they drop that or something?
tulip musk
nah that was never official, just people giving ideas on what ability it could be given
flashing abilities are a strict no go due to epilepsy anyway
upper pendant
How much are the bios going to be played on PvP? They seem more of just a gimic dragon for PvP that can run around without worrying about stats so it's not like people need to be bothered if a few nests get found and destroyed. Nesting will simply be a way to increase population. A few hidden breeders is all that's needed and with a large map that won't be hard.
tulip musk
i think nests will be especially important for bios, since their base stats are so low, improving them is the only way to make them...playable XD
upper pendant
I don't think all A++ stats will fix that but we will see
tulip musk
even a few grade increases (from E to C) helped a lot with the FS hunger, if it'll be the same for bios, A stats will be heaven XD
ocean mirage
I think you forgot how much people love skins in this game Lusewing, Bio's will probably go crazy after making some beautiful skins with the swatches they have x')
So people will definitely nest
The idea of AI's being neutral to the Bio seems to be the best way of making this without directly allowing the Bio to defend itself, so people can't scream about p2w.
I won't play it but it doesn't seem fair to me that Zygovo's could just walk in the "main home" of Bio's and create chaos by stealing/destroying eggs for fun.
Not every animal evolves to defend themselves yes, but let it at least be able to take care of its own eggs
upper pendant
Could always have the Bio spit effect Micros differently since they are covered in feathers.
Glue them up so they can't fly for a short while.
That would then make it nearly impossible for a Micro to raid a Bio nest on a high ledge.
tulip musk
that's actualy a neat idea, but it would make the micro not glow-able, or they would just avoid it due to the debuff
ocean mirage
It does make sense to me, the Zygovo being so small compared to the spit of the Bio could explain the reason why it gets glued
Well it could still make it glow, while hindering it for a bit
And the hindrance could just not happen for grouped Zygovo's
upper pendant
It's the skin/scales that glow might not work on feathers
tulip musk
it would be a bummer if micros couldn't glow tho
ocean mirage
Also true, but wouldn't people be disappointed/angry that the Zygovo would get a "no fun" treatment ?
tulip musk
yeah
upper pendant
Maybe they could still glow but the Micro would have to groom itself to fly - but if they are just after eggs then the bio could simply spit on them again
It will already have that animation after all
tulip musk
btw weren't sticky bile the micro's thing?
ocean mirage
Well it could still make it glow, while hindering it for a bit
That'd kinda what I proposed there :v
ocean mirage
Did they mention how the acidic would work ?
upper pendant
The acid would be there to break the eggs
tulip musk
then i'm mixing it up, i remember one having sticky bile 
ocean mirage
I know about the eggs, but any effect on dragons ?
upper pendant
Nothing mentioned yet
ocean mirage
Hopefully it won't be anything too annoying for Bio's
upper pendant
It's Q ability would buff dragons armour after being groomed by them.
It's worth in game is being able to increase the laying speed of dragons around them.
ocean mirage
I did know about that ye, which makes the Zygovo both a nuisance and a very strong ally for the Bio
upper pendant
Yup. A couple of friends playing as micros with the bios would go a long way
ocean mirage
The armor buff might not save the Bio from much stronger dragons but it could still save it from the "weaker ones" that could barely one shot it before
tulip musk
yeah, but at thes ame time i think the zygovo has too much things going for it...
one-hit protection, and nesting buff...no other dragon has 2 "special abilities" yet
ocean mirage
Hopefully Bio's will find some nice protector Zygovo's
I hope for Singe to have two special abilities x')
It could make a great ally for Bio's aswell, if it can fit in their cave
tulip musk
if one have, all should have or it's not balanced
ocean mirage
The size difference doesn't seem that big, hopefully I could fit in there by crouching to help the little buds out
upper pendant
I mean the Zygovo has no helpful combat abilities at all in itself. Unless it wants to be bait
tulip musk
i wouldn't call the one-hit protection useless XD
there will be a line of micros waiting to re-apply that buff in clan battles XD
ocean mirage
My question is, how will that protection work exactly ? Is it really just a one shot prevention or will it still reduce damage intake ?
upper pendant
No no. The one hit protection is for itself - dragons it grooms just get a buff to their armor
ocean mirage
Oooooh, now it makes sense
tulip musk
i thought grooming would give it to others and the nesting buff is an aura
ocean mirage
I was wondering how a one shot protection would work on Behemoths for example 🤔
upper pendant
Nope
tulip musk
at least i remember having talk about grooming ggiving "temporary armor"
upper pendant
Yup, it buffs other players. But it's an increased one hit protection on itself because no amount of buffed armor would be able to save it
tulip musk
I was wondering how a one shot protection would work on Behemoths for example 🤔
have an army of micros groom the behemoth, like oxpeckers do to elephants XD
ocean mirage
I wonder how that armor buff will work, will it be a multiplier, a percentage or a flat number increase 🤔
upper pendant
Lol, only one stack at a time
ocean mirage
have an army of micros groom the behemoth, like oxpeckers do to elephants XD
That'd be hilarious and adorable xD
upper pendant
Might be percentage which would be a massive boost to high stated dragons. Or a flat boost that could just increase its stats by one stage B to A.
We will have to see
ocean mirage
Yup, I think a multiplier would be completely broken for a lot of dragons so that's out of the question x)
tulip musk
tbh i hope it's a flat amout, increasing a behemoth's armor with even 10% would be too much XD
ocean mirage
Well it would make sense, it is a small little buddy after all, I don't see it capable of grooming a Behemoth completely to increase its resistance that much x)
It would also make it a better ally for weaker dragons, instead of a "Clan must-have" that would make balance horrible
ocean mirage
We truly did xD
upper pendant
Also the Singe does have two abilities. It's breath attack can stop bleeding. And when resting around other dragons they heal faster.
Whoops, more off topic.
ocean mirage
I know, and I did figure that the devs would think it as its "second special ability" but.. It's a breath attack, almost every dragon will have one and they will all have a special effect so.. I don't know, I love my boi Singe so much I am maybe just biased x)
upper pendant
Not the only one.
They are all going to take a lot of balancing though.
ocean mirage
I know, hopefully support dragons won't get too much of a hit in the face, I do know that people have a tendency of hating supports in general when they are a bit good
tulip musk
Shout-out to the guy who called me w cheater in another game because I got to endgame on my healer without good gear XD
The only things stopping me from owning games is rage mechanics XD
ocean mirage
-Healer for the win- 👀
mystic ingot
I like the idea of micros needing to preen to fly and that ai aren't hostile to Bios
Not even remotely close to a p2w dragon with those abilities but good protection, Lets it nest without fear of micros and flee to ai for shelter, Maybe break line of sight of AI turn hostile to the attacker
Also cute to imagine bios cuddling baby rhino ai, etc