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*Submitted by @eternal wave *

Hi y'all, I've decided to make @mossy stirrup's source code public on GitHub so that you, or anyone else can take a look at the code, learn from it, contribute/code features for it, identify bugs, and help resolve them if you wish. Hope you find this interesting. Pull requests are welcome!

Here's the link - https://github.com/Sachin-dot-py/r-igcsebot?

[fierce chasm]

https://education.github.com/pack

[fathom aurora]

#firstmessage

[wanton scaffold]

hello world

[winged iris]

anybody want to learn about cxl

[wanton scaffold]

sure

[late tartan]

VB sus

[barren crow]

when you waste 4 hours in vscode trying to make a 40 second video

[indigo cliff]

That's beautiful

[barren crow]

thanks, that really means a lot to me

[wanton scaffold]

damnnn 🔥

why is it called sus.mp4

[barren crow]

idk, i just named it the first thing that came to mind

[charred ember]

id think its worth the time looks good

[muted harbor]

reminds me of those mississippi gun meme

[inland meadow]

so i learned a lot of c program

like almost done

according to my teacher

now idk what to do with this information

[late tartan]

make one

But, seriously, there are many websites that pay a lot you for a decent program.

[fathom aurora]

wdym\

making a video in vscode!?!?

[cunning haven]

yo are there any C# brother over here

[inland meadow]

i do just C

[fathom aurora]

C++

[inland meadow]

how do i make discord bots?

like what language do i need

i know how to do C

and im learning Python now

[barren crow]

i've programmed some pretty good bots in python with discord.py

but i haven't done much bot developing since discord's big update

and i've heard nextcord is a replacement for discord.py

as for C, libdiscord is no longer maintained unfortunately

API v3 (iirc) is deprecated (and has probably been defunct since idk)

[indigo cliff]

discord.py will help you

[indigo cliff]

If it's claimed like that ,it isn't. Discord.py has been in for long time and has more learning resources

[inland meadow]

thanks

[mossy stirrup]

Gave +1 Rep to Klez#9999 (10)

[cloud stump]

Hi i need help, can someone help me with a python question i hab

[mossy stirrup]

Don’t ask to ask. Just ask.

[wanton scaffold]

send

[wanton scaffold]

[cloud stump]

i dont understand the floating point number thing

and my boolean does not work in my code

[wanton scaffold]

send the code

[fathom aurora]

rawrs here

he will solve ur problem

[indigo cliff]

A Float uses 32 bits(7 decimal digits) where double is a 64-bit

Double= very percise, no number errors (mostly used in calculations and computings)
Float= not so precise (used in estimations and stuff like Games, ex: movement speed)

[charred ember]

theres nextcord

[wanton scaffold]

yes but op died

[frosty needle]

coded this for myself today hehe

[bleak sparrow]

what is this code for on line 208??

 if message.attachments and message.guild.id == 576460042774118420: # Temporary for leaks```

on the igcse bots github

[fierce chasm]

Idk

Lol

[eternal wave]

We had an exam session discussion channel and users were circulating the leaked PDFs of the paper

So we implemented that temporarily on the code to delete these leaks and inform us about them

<@&854000415074025493> s I think we can remove it^

[eternal wave]

Ooo did you use paper.sc for the QP and MS?

[bleak sparrow]

ah i see... thats nice

overall man i am amazed by the work! loving the bot

[fierce chasm]

Yup

Now we have automod so it should be fine

[glacial dove]

This is pretty cool

[frosty needle]

no 💀
im js directly generating the link using the paper code (gceguide). but i js saw their API. ill build sum on that after my boards.

[frosty needle]

thankss haha

[mossy stirrup]

Gave +1 Rep to iman#2419 (2)

[frosty needle]

the search https://paper.sc/search/?query=9709%20m19%2022
the document https://paper.sc/doc/:id
looks easy

how about adding paper search in the bot? or is it already there

[eternal wave]

it's already there: /search

[frosty needle]

oh damn

that's nice

[fathom aurora]

damn

sounds like a manim project

nice

[vale pelican]

if i made a cli tool to search for and download past papers by subject/yr would yall use it

[fathom aurora]

Maybe

[inland meadow]

if it supports Alevels papers then definitely

[vale pelican]

it would support everything thats on papacambridge

[inland meadow]

honestly it would be great to have something where i can search the database by questions

cuz when im doing topicals its hard to go to each year and find the question

if u get what i mean

[inland meadow]

great!

[vale pelican]

its not topical

its yearly

[inland meadow]

yeah

it would be good to have something similar for alevels

but it directly brings me the answer

like i type the question in it shows me the answer

[vale pelican]

hows this so far https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/947234425375166518/1080120728260706407/2023-02-28_18-31-45.mp4

[vast cradle]

Holy CRAP!!

Can I get that site?

I see it's localhost: something at the address field so is it some sort of program>

I saw A-level economics so I got excited

[vale pelican]

ive only coded that bit so far 😭

most likely will finish after cies

[vast cradle]

thing is

While it sounds cool in practise to have all the MCQ's

The aren't rly explanations for the answers

That'll probably triple the amount of work but it's a dream.

[wispy prairie]

the border looks kinda quandalized and doesnt seem very mobile friendly, but good work

[inland meadow]

im pretty sure most similar websites and apps also dont give u any explanation

[vale pelican]

i mean the most i could do is show the examiners comment from the er

but yeah im not going to write explanations for thousands of mcqs, half of which are subjects i dont know lol

[wispy prairie]

if its not a frontend only app, then you could make a forum sort of thing

or just use a widget for commenting

[vale pelican]

also if i made a firefox extension that bypassed the 20 notes per month limit of savemyexams would yall use it

[wanton scaffold]

probably

[arctic geode]

you can lready do that

by clearing cookies

i think

[vale pelican]

yeah but why spend 10 seconds doing something when you can spend 10 hours trying to automate it

[vale pelican]

you delete this value

[inland meadow]

bruh how do u guys have this info

this is why i wanna learn to code

.........to definitely not commit crimes......

[vale pelican]

coding has nothing to do with this lol

it’s just basic knowledge of how websites can store info

since i don’t have an account it must mean they’re storing the info somewhere on my browser

and the only places those can be is cookies or local storage

so i check local storage

and there is a value called sme viewed revision notes

which turns out to be an array of 20 notes i’ve looked at before

so i try deleted it and there we go

[inland meadow]

So how do i gain this knowledge?

So its a bit like hacking right?

[vale pelican]

it is nothing like hacking 😭

this is just knowing how websites store info on your browser

[wanton scaffold]

look around your laptop

[vale pelican]

that also

u just fuck around and find out

[wanton scaffold]

when smth breaks look at stackoverflow

[inland meadow]

:0

[quasi granite]

Who

Sup

[indigo cliff]

You also need to understand hacking practically don't exist

you just don't do something that can somehow hack into a website or account, it's impossible. it's all exploits and understanding how the system work as a developer

[inland meadow]

well how do i learn the exploits

just out of curiosity

[kind junco]

that's right

[kind junco]

better not to honestly

[inland meadow]

why not 0_o

[kind junco]

cuz cuz

yeah

[vale pelican]

bribe an employee of the company u wanna hack

[kind junco]

that's valid

[wanton scaffold]

Anonymously

Otherwise you leave proof

[kind junco]

yeah gotta be careful

[inland meadow]

lol

i was wondering would it be possible to make a command or i guess an algorithm that could turn my phone silent from 8 am to 5 pm then put in on like full volume rest of the time?

because i turn on silent mode when i go to school, then usually i forget to turn up the sound when i get back home and sometimes i lose it on the sofa or something

and my phone doesnt have a function that already does that

[wanton scaffold]

There might be apps

Idk how easy it is to do it yourself since your working with your phone's settings and that's not very easy afaik

[kind junco]

pain

[kind junco]

yeah definitely, you can

[charred ember]

newer samsungs have it

[inland meadow]

i cant find how to remove this

obviously this is for education only

[vale pelican]

browser?

[inland meadow]

i dont use a samsung

[inland meadow]

edge

[inland meadow]

thanksss

[mossy stirrup]

Gave +1 Rep to saya#6825 (6)

[vale pelican]

i be farming rep

[indigo cliff]

Consuming battery 101

[indigo cliff]

Learn how to build those websites first

learn how to make login and signup pages using php

[wispy swan]

a

[fathom aurora]

e

[kind junco]

i

[fathom aurora]

o

[wanton scaffold]

u

[wispy prairie]

null

[wispy prairie]

I agree strongly w this

devtools foolery and basic site knowledge is not coding

you'd be surprised by how many restrictions you can bypass

with just devtools

friend once edited localstorage on a site to set "admin":"true" and "roles":["admin"]

just like that he got a 50$ reward after filing a bug report 💀

[wispy prairie]

also, instead of doing this everytime its possible to just edit localStorage in the console with a script you can easily access in your console history with the up arrow

one could make a tampermonkey script for this sort of thing

2 lines or sm

[wispy prairie]

strongly agree
a "hack" isnt coding your way into full access of someones system or something

think of it this way
a program is like a strict set of rules
every ruleset has this loophole, where the rules cant actually be applied

that flaw in logic, in the context of programming, is a vulnerability / bug

it can be simple, a broken filter in a server that processes something like a login form can go from
simply bypassing a filter on a form to something more advanced, like a password like " OR "1"="" giving you full admin rights

hacking isnt an "aha! i can learn this one hacking method and use it everywhere!!!", its about being a sort of system lawyer, finding tiny logic flaws and amplifying it to make what used to be an intricate ruleset into your home

its an art form, like all computer science fields

like art, its easy to follow a tutorial and replicate someone elses work and call it your own

but what's the point?
you dont learn from it, you cant call it yours, and it just exists

[echo gazelle]

does anyone even πrogram in java anymore?

like kotlin and other langs built on the JVM seem to be overtaking java

[fathom aurora]

More than you’d like to think

[kind junco]

yeah

[bright sandal]

I love jaja

java

[bright sandal]

not purple hibiscus jaja cuz thats gay

[vale pelican]

obviously

[fathom aurora]

hey

i wanna learn python so i search "learn python" on google

i found this PDF

it consists of 1213 pages

does anyone here know about it? is it good?

it's an introduction to python

[fathom aurora]

i'm going to dive into it tbh

can't wait ;p

[arctic geode]

thats a mouse not a python so im suspicous from first glance

[fathom aurora]

lmao

anyone know it tho?

[echo gazelle]

https://automatetheboringstuff.com/

imo this is much more beginner friendly

[fathom aurora]

Thank you.

[vale pelican]

i remembered about this yesterday so i did this so far

now i just have to get it to download the paper which shouldnt be hard

[vale pelican]

and its done

npx search-past-papers to whoever wants to try it out (yes u need node js)

[kind junco]

hi

[wispy prairie]

waht

why would you do such a thing

[vale pelican]

bored + faster

[wispy prairie]

i've found that bookmarking the subject i want to get my pdfs from generally tends to be a lot faster than opening console, running npx, going to file location, opening browser/pdf viewer to open the pdf

with this you risk opening a file that doesnt exist which means all that titime in console goes to waste for a 404

[vale pelican]

well i didn’t really make it for window users in mind

if ur on linux u can just do

[wispy prairie]

im saying this from a linux users perspective

[vale pelican]

spp thefile

firefox thefile

[wispy prairie]

doesnt fix the main point though?

[vale pelican]

also i literally don’t care 😭 i was just bored and wanted something to make

[wispy prairie]

its still opening up a whole new tool for it that i couldve just used to download the files in the ffirst place brother, the trick is to shove all the needed things into the app

[wispy prairie]

see i understand that brother but this can be done by simple string manipulation and a simple wget since its made with linux in mind

any vulnerabilities of "ah but these are system calls!!! what if i put 2022; reboot as the year!!" would just be a self-attack

everything nowadays is a js package

import axios from 'axios';
import fs from 'fs';
import inquirer from 'inquirer';
import { input, select } from '@inquirer/prompts';
import SearchBox from 'inquirer-search-list';
import { createSpinner } from 'nanospinner'
import { subjects } from './subjects.js';```
i watched a video with the title being something like "have people forgotten how to code?"
this amount of dependencies
its unreasonable for such a small thing

[wanton scaffold]

its incomplete

like no O/N no F/M

[languid basin]

which programming language should i learn?

HTML, Java or Python?

[wanton scaffold]

HTML isn't a programming language

but

what're you trying to do

with your programming knowledge

[languid basin]

In my college application

Looks good

And something which is future proof

[wanton scaffold]

hmm

[languid basin]

sry i meant: "sticking with web development"

[wanton scaffold]

for college they'll probably expect you to make shit

like websites and apps and stuff

[languid basin]

So what should I stick with?

[wanton scaffold]

so python is easiest and is pretty great for everything
java is for apps and minecraft mods, its lower level so you get more understanding of how shit works
html/css are for websites but if you wanna learn an actual language for web-development learn JS (for this freecodecamp has good tutorials)

[languid basin]

I am familiar with HTML

Made one or two websites

Using w3schools

I will try Python

Let's see

[wanton scaffold]

Btw python can be used for backend websites but it's not as seamless as JS

[wanton scaffold]

Go for it

Good luck

[languid basin]

Thank you

Any site which is good for learning?

Also what languages are good for competitive coding?

[wanton scaffold]

i think python is the most common but i'm not too sure

[wanton scaffold]

there are good youtube tutorials

chatgpt can help lmao

but i dont have any specific resources

[languid basin]

Yeah code with mosh and others

[languid basin]

lol that would be copying than learning

[wanton scaffold]

Not really, you can ask it to explain stuff to you

[languid basin]

I will see

After 2 years I am restarting coding

[wanton scaffold]

Eyyy

[arctic geode]

i wonder why

i think the owners gave up

[vale pelican]

it has both it just uploads super late

like 2022 o/n still not here

[wanton scaffold]

Yeah that's what I meant

[wispy prairie]

no

[fathom aurora]

I've been learning python guys

look i managed to use what i've learned so far

print("Please type in your password.")
stored_password = "123456789abc"
entered_password = input()
while entered_password != stored_password:
print("Incorrect password. Please make sure you have typed in the password correctly.")
entered_password = input()
else:
print("Authorised! Loading account...")

it's actually so cool

[wanton scaffold]

Eyyyy cool

Btw you can put text in the input statement and remove the print

 x = input("pls give number: ")

[fathom aurora]

Oh wow I just tried it and it works

Ty

[wanton scaffold]

Np

[mossy stirrup]

Gave +1 Rep to rawr4200#0 (1119)

[wispy prairie]

@hoary burrow read from here and below, it'll be of great help

[zenith frost]

ayy

whaddup fellow 1337 pro gamers

[zenith frost]

I just saw this, frankly you can just clear localStorage too. or you can spoof your user agent

all of those work

just thought I should put this out there

frankly im surprised they dont restrict via IP

that can be changed too

but yea

[inland meadow]

do.not.give.them.ideas.

[zenith frost]

Easy enough to bypass anyways

[summer gazelle]

should i buy an imac or a windows laptop with a monitor for my dad?

[inland meadow]

windows>>>
mac 🤮

[summer gazelle]

but expensive compared to mac

[inland meadow]

bruh, windows laptops are cheaper than mac

[summer gazelle]

with a monitor and a keyboard, and a mouse

[inland meadow]

just get a cheap keyboard and mouse, monitors also arent that expensive, just get a mediocre one

problem with macs tho, u cant do a lot of the things like u can in windows

[summer gazelle]

the thing is my dad doesnt want a chinese one

so idk

he is like very concerned about security

[indigo cliff]

get him iMAC

it's better

[indigo cliff]

MacOS is beautiful, more secure and compact than windows

[indigo cliff]

yeah just get him imac, it's just better

[summer gazelle]

ok

he has a 2009 and 2015 macbook

[summer gazelle]

so he is used to macos anyway

[indigo cliff]

It's better than windows Imo

in business, office and study use

not gaming of course. but other than that it's beautiful

[indigo cliff]

Ahhh

Leopard days

[summer gazelle]

updated to monterey on 2015, 2009 model still running snow leopard

[crisp fjord]

ihad an idea about using LLMs to 'chapterize' past paper questions. We have access to the past papers. What if we use OpenAI's API and feed it the question along with the syllabus? It should recognize the topic of the question and then create another PDF with the answer key. Does this make sense? How practical is this?

hm this is pretty dead

ill just try this with one past paper

[crisp fjord]

output: Thermal Physics

the hard part is to extract questions lol

[wanton scaffold]

Itll be tough to get the images

[crisp fjord]

true.
i saw paper.sc (lovely project) and it does something like this. it knows where the questions starts (and ends). i studied it's code it (since me knowing only a bit of js) it took me some time to figure out that it is happening here: https://github.com/micromaomao/schsrch/blob/master/extractFromDb.js.

[crisp fjord]

can someone PLEASE revive this chat

[crisp fjord]

and for this, ill do this later after my tests lol (i quit after working on it for 20 mins)

[wanton scaffold]

Ooh cool

[azure cipher]

yo so I'm trying to make a paper cleaner

so im taking like my school exams that I have done and that have been marked, I've already scanned them

then I want to use a python program to remove all the marking and the answers I wrote, and leave just the questions (that are in kinda black ink) for future practice or smth

my answers are in blue pen and the marking is in red pen

how would I go abt doing this? I've tried the approach of turning non-black and non-white pixels into white pixels, using PIL

but in the end it pretty much just gave me a white image, probably because the questions were not exactly black, you know?

I coded with the aid of chatgpt and blackbox (don't judge me I just finished igcse and just got into programming my own projects 💀)

this is my first project so would help if anyone could help

again I'm completely clueless about everything and probably need some example code to test stuff out

thanks again everyone in advance 👍

[wanton scaffold]

What color are your answers

[azure cipher]

blue pen

and marking obvs is in red

usually how I would do it manually is to open paint, select my answers and delet

but this is very tedious and takes a lot of time

which is why I wanna automate it in some way

this is what I have so far

from PIL import Image

# Load the image
img = Image.open("input.jpg")

# Convert to grayscale
img_gray = img.convert('L')

# Apply threshold
threshold = 100  # Adjust this value to suit your image
img_bw = img_gray.point(lambda x: 0 if x < threshold else 255, '1')

# Create a mask to separate the dark regions (questions)
mask = img_bw.convert('L')

# Apply the mask to your original image
result = Image.composite(img, Image.new('RGB', img.size, (255, 255, 255)), mask)

# Save the cleaned image
result.save("cleaned_image.jpg")

but the output is bad 💀

sorry bad image quality

[wanton scaffold]

Don't do grayscale

Use the color difference to your advantage

Also you can just use GIMP or Photoshop to do the same thing almost instantly

[azure cipher]

oh true didn't think of that 💀💀💀

AHAHHAHA

[azure cipher]

thanks

[mossy stirrup]

Gave +1 Rep to rawr4200#0 (1537)

[azure cipher]

photopea it is then

[granite storm]

this shit existed wow

[cerulean thunder]

why is everyone a bot developer

huh

[granite storm]

wdym there r only like 5

in this thread

[cerulean thunder]

istg everyone is a bot developer

[granite storm]

ig that makes bot devs cool

[granite storm]

whos ur main in apex

[cerulean thunder]

i used to main horizon

but i quit like a year ago

was bored so was replaying games i havent played in a while

[granite storm]

valid feeling

i mained octane

[cerulean thunder]

ic

[granite storm]

i liked the speed

natural regen was also useful

[cerulean thunder]

ic

[granite storm]

i used to clutch up with jump pad

when the zone was near

and ditch my teammates

ja ik im him

[turbid parrot]

hi

[fathom aurora]

https://shiftersgaming.github.io/allzwell/main ~ a website made by my friend and me 😏

[granite storm]

y does this look like a therapy website

also y is it hosted on a github acc thats litr has gaming in it

reminds me of healthy gamer ngl

k its fr some website 4 mentally unstable ppl

im closing it

[fathom aurora]

yep kind of, we had a school level project, and then the topic was of Mental health so we made this

[wide cove]

ok

[patent flame]

can i talk about css and html (im very bad PLEASE HELP)

[granite storm]

go ahead

unless u r tryna make an argument that html is a programming language

[patent flame]

not at all 😭 i just wanna make my UI look good

[granite storm]

k go on

is this 4 ict or personal

[patent flame]

personal stuff

i made a game

the "top: 50px" is not working

WHY IS IT NOT MOVING 😭

[granite storm]

u r making a game using html instead of a canvas

💀

[granite storm]

u can only use top when position is absolute or fixed

if u rnt looking 2 position it relative 2 the screen coord or page coord then use margin-top

[patent flame]

thanks

[patent flame]

im only using it for the UI

[wanton scaffold]

Well in this case what int said, but sometimes putting !important at the end of the thing fixes it

[granite storm]

💀

thats bad practice tho

i totally dont do it in my website

!important is 4 overwriting styles

div {
  display: flex !important; /* will overwrite any div.class */
}

.class {
  display: block;
}

[zenith frost]

relative shud work

make parent relative

and this absolute

[granite storm]

only 4 the parent

ja

[hoary burrow]

its like if you took c# and yanked the java out of it

[late tartan]

that sc is so old

[hoary burrow]

true

since m/j session is gettingg close im probably gonna be a bit more active here

[hoary burrow]

what're you taking this sesh?

[late tartan]

I dropped computer

[hoary burrow]

aww man why

cs is like

really cool

[late tartan]

yeah ik

[granite storm]

fr

c# but shit

[empty torrent]

C# may be useful but it's quite old fashioned

[wanton scaffold]

Fuck C# i use scratch like a real man

[granite storm]

🤣

im tryna make minecraft work in my browser

the problem is the gui is laggier than the actual game

like wtf how is rendering text in js more taxing than 3d graphics

[wanton scaffold]

[granite storm]

fr its using png font instead of proper shit

no wonder y its so fucking laggy bc each pixel is getting rendered multiple times

[empty torrent]

Mannn

Ive never known webgl to be that laggy

[granite storm]

its not webgl

i think the original creator was using png 2 render shit

rendering text with png is just haram

ofc it lags

i didnt know how 2 fix it

[empty torrent]

[granite storm]

then i saw a fork which fixed it

so i started tryna make survival mode out of creative

ngl that fork is so good rn

i didnt know it was so fucking ez 2 run minecraft in chrome and shit

plus its so smooth even with me using 3 vpns

[granite storm]

dw bro 1 day well be playing minecraft like its a .io game

[eternal wave]

https://github.com/Sachin-dot-py/r-igcse-bot

the new r/igcse bot code, now written in TypeScript

[patent flame]

whats the difference between typescript and python

[granite storm]

u fr did not say that

typescript is vry different from python

ts is a superset of js

it compiles to js

ts has types or type annotations to generate compile time errors rather than runtime errors

its better 4 the ide as well

https://typescriptlang.org

[granite storm]

u all excluded me from this shit

i wouldve supported py 2 ts migration

🤷‍♂️

mods gonna be mods

[wanton scaffold]

Like asking what's the difference between Bhojpuri and French

[hoary burrow]

Bro why would anyone touch JavaScript

Just why

Or typescript ok but point stands

[patent flame]

almost every website uses javascript......

[granite storm]

bc its faster than python

plus u can write almost anything in js

imo the only downside 2 js is its type coercion

ts fixes the static typing shit but the meme still exists

[eternal wave]

lol

[granite storm]

Math.max and Math.min make sense tbh

the most absurd shit is the typeof NaN and the (!+[]+[]+![]).length bc !+[]+[]+![] evaluates 2 "truefalse"

js aids

[hoary burrow]

just because u can doesn't mean you should

[hoary burrow]

aside from websites im talking backend or other stuff

maybe it's because i'm used to it but something like c# feels maybe safer

[granite storm]

ja obv

if u r more familiar with js tho then its completely fine 2 use it

i dont believe in programming language superiority shit

just code in wtv is fastest 4 u bc at the end of the day ur sanity matters

better 2 get that product out fast than do ur head in

[granite storm]

js is completely fine 4 backend

if ur aim is lots n lots of speed then use go

i wont recommend c# 4 backend tho

i reckon its better 4 game dev and windows apps

its a nice language but it gets outclassed by others

wait lemme post my tier list rn

Godly

• Dart
• Kraber
• Scratch

Amazing

• Rust
• Zig
• TypeScript
• C#
• Python

Decent

• Go
• JavaScript
• C
• C++

Bad

• Java
• Ruby

Shit

• Visual Basic
• PHP

the modern programming language tier list with a heavily biased god tier

oh i forgot 2 include my language

ja now god tier is mega biased

[hoary burrow]

Hold on

Dart?

Isn’t that, ancient?

I do agree with c# being sometimes painful though

For me it’s more that as weird as it seems but Unity is soo nice to use for UI

That’s sort of my own trick tho

[cerulean thunder]

why is php in shit i've never used it is it that bad?

[granite storm]

eh yo what age is bro livin in

[granite storm]

as a language it aint vry nice

syntax is acoustic

its only useful 4 backend as well

[cerulean thunder]

ic

[empty torrent]

Bad is an understatement

[cerulean thunder]

vanshy boy

why are you still chinese

[empty torrent]

It’s slow, the syntax sucks, and it doesn’t work as a service

[cerulean thunder]

ic

[empty torrent]

I’ll revert when I’m home

[cerulean thunder]

why is everyone out

school?

[empty torrent]

Ye

[cerulean thunder]

ic

[empty torrent]

You’re becoming like mb

[cerulean thunder]

[empty torrent]

How d’you like being bot dev?

[cerulean thunder]

it's good

very interesting

[empty torrent]

Nicee

[granite storm]

💀

[wanton scaffold]

Yoooo iqat bot dev congratssss

[wanton scaffold]

Where is scratch

[cerulean thunder]

tysmm

[granite storm]

oh ja i forgot

[empty torrent]

Whyd you put ruby as bad? 🧐

[wanton scaffold]

Sapphire is better

[empty torrent]

Sapphire 🧐

Haven’t heard of that...

[wanton scaffold]

It's a cool blue rock

[fallen river]

I think its language based of ruby

maybe it isnt

sapphire and ruby are both corundum minerals

There is zero documentation on it online

[granite storm]

slow

replaceable

[wanton scaffold]

It was a joke 💀

There isn't a saphire afaik

[fallen river]

There is tho

[wanton scaffold]

There is?

[fallen river]

https://sapphire.cs.washington.edu/research/project/sapphire.html#:~:text=Sapphire is a general-purpose,spanning mobile devices and clouds.

https://github.com/chamini2/sapphire

I don’t think those 2 are related

Another sapphire which isn’t related to the other 2 https://github.com/WagnerFLL/Sapphire

There are 2 other ones but their sites are down cuz they’re too old

I bet you can find a programming language with any name if you dig hard enough lol

[wanton scaffold]

Damnn

[granite storm]

nah fuck this my lang better

🤣

i better update my shit

list types rly being pita

[fair pawn]

no it's not

[fair pawn]

ngl, for backend I'd say use go, but again, you don't need a "backend" when you're using next.js

[fair pawn]

go > python

[granite storm]

☝️🤓

js blatantly is faster

python speed is litr a meme

[fallen river]

the speed isnt that noticable anyways

only for very very big uses

[granite storm]

tru

[granite storm]

did olympiad recently and realised speed mattered

🤣

[fallen river]

i dont I need my print function to be 1000000x times faster thanks

like accually how big does your project need to be inorder to consider moving to a faster language

[zenith frost]

not that big, if you do competitive programming

[granite storm]

wasnt talkin abt print function bro

code does more shit than just printin if u didnt realise

recursion n loops r time intensive

thats what u mostly do in olympiad anyways

even in smaller projects speed is only a good thing

if ur shit is slow then less ppl r gonna use it

i mean if ur a rookie codin shit 4 fun then no nobody gives a fuck abt speed

u do u

[fallen river]

i was being sarcastic lol

[granite storm]

guessin tone in discord is impaceble

[fallen river]

the hatred you have for python 😭

[granite storm]

dont get me wrong bro i dont hate python

i use it regularly

[patent flame]

I had a silly idea
What if I made an isomer simulator that loads all possible isomers of a compound

[fallen river]

isotope?\

[patent flame]

Isomer

Like isopentane

Or neohexane

4,3 methyl decane

[fallen river]

I see

[patent flame]

Literally anything

[empty torrent]

nice idea

but wait

,w isomers of C5H8O

[rough salmon]

Results provided by WolframAlpha

Click here to refine your query online
Upgrade to WolframAlpha Pro!

Requested by mr.code5197

[patent flame]

Hmm can it give it in dot and cross form

[wanton scaffold]

nah just put the molecular formula 🗿

saves you a lot of work

[wanton scaffold]

also counting the number of possible isomers is a PnC problem btw

[fair pawn]

,w molecular formulas of isomers of C5H8O

[rough salmon]

Wolfram Alpha doesn't understand your query!
Perhaps try rephrasing your question?
Click here to refine your query online

Requested by chiraglol

[fair pawn]

yea

[fair pawn]

if you do, you could also add it to @mossy stirrup

[patent flame]

I had a sillier idea.
First count the number of carbon atoms.
Let's use 7 C atoms.
To start off simple I'll make an alkane.
The system will determine the size of the C atom relative to the screen so it can fit (or I'll make it scroll)

It draws 7 C atoms in a line, including the bonds. The first and last atom will have it's own 2 ID 'ender' and 'left' or 'right' while the intermediate atoms have the ID 'open'.
It will draw the hydrogen atoms at the top and bottom if its ID is open, 3 at left and 3 at right.
Making isomers is a bit different I'll get to that later

[patent flame]

Oki
First I'll check if my method works at all tho

[patent flame]

For isomers the number of c atoms is counted backwards.
It starts with 6.
This will make the same thing as the example I gave but one random 'open' ID is now an 'iso' ID
iso ID draws a CH3 group at the top/bottom

oh wow there is ALOT to do when making every isomers

[granite storm]

isomer is chem yk isotope is more physics

isomers r molecules with same formula but different structure

isotopes r variations of atoms

[patent flame]

bored so i

made

this

finds pythagorean triplet but its a bit slow you have to input your own range thats less than 10000 units apart

[sharp saddle]

why's the whole thing made in one file 😭

[cerulean thunder]

old code :D

https://github.com/sachin-dot-py/r-igcse-bot new repo for ts rewrite

[sharp saddle]

i love the ts rewrite

[cerulean thunder]

yes me too

[fair pawn]

apply for bot dev using /apply kthx

[sharp saddle]

ok lol

[empty torrent]

So do I

TS is goated

[sharp saddle]

that's so real

may have been faster if it was written in rust but there's really no point ig

[empty torrent]

Truee

Rust is known by far less people - and speed doesn’t matter that much for this use case

For example I don’t know rust

[sharp saddle]

The code structure would be more clean that's all

[fair pawn]

possible, but none of us know rust 💀 (idk about dawood) and it's not like speed matters a lot here

so it's fine

[sharp saddle]

ye ig

[sharp saddle]

who's dawood

i was just stating a suggestion anyways

[pallid kiln]

ofc ik rust

@sharp saddle for every person u add to a team the code quality decreases mad fast

doesnt matter

and rust's speed doesnt matter, were bottle necked by discord

and ts is much faster to develop in

[pallid kiln]

took me hella effort

[cerulean thunder]

wow u didnt have to do me like that

[sharp saddle]

that's nice

[pallid kiln]

nah, not u
in general for every project

[cerulean thunder]

[pallid kiln]

everyone has different styles, dw

ateeb doesnt use semicolons

[sharp saddle]

i like to see rust fellas

[fair pawn]

he just spoke facts

so

[cerulean thunder]

frick u

[sharp saddle]

ye i can see that, the code structure is really organized

unlike the python one

[sharp saddle]

i was taking about the process which happens before contacting the api

like that would be faster

[pallid kiln]

almost 0 effect was what i was saying

most of the biggest bots are even written in py 💀

[sharp saddle]

py is not that slow

[sharp saddle]

man I'm just a glazer of rust

[pallid kiln]

we both know it is

much slower than we can imagine

[sharp saddle]

maybe mathematically

you can always use threading to make it faster tho

may be slow but good for small testing projects

most of the time i use it to test a theory if it works or not then redo the code in rs or ts if it does work in py

[empty torrent]

Python can be easily considered among the slowest languages unless you’re talking about Mojo

||forgive me php exists||

[sharp saddle]

idk why the hell php exists tbh

and still getting updates

[sharp saddle]

mojo is not that much faster too

or idrk

I've only tried it as soon as it came out

when it was only useable in testing playground

[fair pawn]

fym

wordpress 💀💀💀

and a trillion other projects

[sharp saddle]

PHP SYNTAX IS BAD

useless

[sharp saddle]

"old"

[fair pawn]

obv

[fair pawn]

still maintained

still popular

php sucks tho yes

[sharp saddle]

yes but there's many more better options

[fair pawn]

well no one's rewriting entire projects which still work fine

ain't no one got that much time

[sharp saddle]

thag doesn't make it any good

[empty torrent]

<?="<b>".implode("this", 'is', "an", "understatement")."</b>">

[sharp saddle]

that's really bad syntax

even ejs would look better

okay maybe not that much

but you get my point

[empty torrent]

Thats actually how my code looks if I have the option of keeping it messy

[empty torrent]

Ejs would look better, atleast it's javascript

[sharp saddle]

ejs looks the same as php

but instead it's js

[empty torrent]

Okayy

[sharp saddle]

i hate ejs

i hate php

[empty torrent]

Who doesn't

[sharp saddle]

vue and react to th etop

[empty torrent]

But uses them anyway

[sharp saddle]

why're you still using it

[empty torrent]

Not me, most people

[sharp saddle]

it's so weird

[empty torrent]

Most people I know do

[sharp saddle]

what's the reaosn

like it's not good from stuff that has easier syntax than it

[empty torrent]

It gets the job done

In a short time

[sharp saddle]

ig

[empty torrent]

Yeah fr

[fair pawn]

no way bro said that

[fair pawn]

no

[sharp saddle]

took it back as soon as possible

[fair pawn]

good

[pallid kiln]

[pallid kiln]

i remember the ejs days back when i was learning express 💀

[pallid kiln]

how the hell is php better than ejs?

[sharp saddle]

php definitely has more features and accessibility

[pallid kiln]

idrc about either though

@sinful garden rolling out fix now

[sinful garden]

kk

[shut comet]

oki

[pallid kiln]

damn wrong channel

[sharp saddle]

after thinking for a while ejs may be better for low experienced people

like you can send data from server to client easily using it

[north sun]

honestly programming is cool 😎

[cerulean thunder]

no its quite hot actually

what if my computer overheats

[north sun]

liquid nitrogen

[cerulean thunder]

wouldnt that like

make it too cold

or smthn

freeze it up

[north sun]

cold > hot

[cerulean thunder]

yea but no point if it doesnt work

smh

[north sun]

i would rather have -273 degrees than 100 degrees

[cerulean thunder]

why

like i agree

but why

[north sun]

i prefer winters more than summers

[cerulean thunder]

😭

[empty torrent]

Cool >>

[granite storm]

sup fellow rustacean

[granite storm]

mojo is almost as fast as rust

at least by modulars claims

[granite storm]

svelte >>>

fast as fuck

[sharp saddle]

what's that

[granite storm]

💀

https://svelte.dev

it has the best meta framework

https://kit.svelte.dev

[sharp saddle]

ionk doesn't feel THAT much faster than anything else

the compiler is probably way faster than tho

[granite storm]

bro u havent felt the power of svelte bro

do yk how fuckin slow react is compared to svelte

bro the compiler sometimes generates code thats faster than vanilla js bc its all minified

it feels so slow when u r using hot reload with vite but when i deployed sveltekit 2 prod the page loaded instantly

[empty torrent]

@granite storm would you still say it's faster after react 19's compiler?

[granite storm]

oh idk abt react 19 yet

i havent tried it

i still think it would be faster tho

due to react still having lots of bloat

[empty torrent]

hmm true

[granite storm]

jsx abs not necessary

[empty torrent]

they did remove quite a lot of bloat this time tho

[granite storm]

react learning curve is also shit

its popular but not up 2 the hype

its the only framework that ive used that just memory leaks when i use github codespaces

[empty torrent]

damn

considering i've already learnt it - it'd be an easier jump for me if it's fast enough

[granite storm]

like react mui just shut down my codespace bc of ram exceeded

[granite storm]

what have u learnt alr

react or svelte

i mean if yk a framework then ig stick 2 it

[empty torrent]

react

ik a little bit of svelte so it won't be hard

[granite storm]

i wouldnt rly migrate btwn frameworks unless u rly had 2

[empty torrent]

esp if it has a distinct edge in performance

[granite storm]

i used 2 use vue

it was good

svelte was better tho

svelte had smui and felt better overall

sveltekit was so enjoyable

react is bit of pain

big eco tho

components and states r ez 2 manage in svelte

[granite storm]

also svelte has no vdom

so its closer 2 html css js than react

svelte will always be faster

[empty torrent]

ic

[sharp saddle]

you're a svelte glazer

ig I'll check it out later

sounds cool

[granite storm]

im not glazin bro

this shit is tru

https://igcsekit.vercel.app

ive tried angular react vue svelte

svelte is just the best

not rly on its own but sveltekit is goated

next vs nuxt vs sveltekit

sveltekit ez win

rly ez 2 get started with

light as fuck

[sharp saddle]

next and nuxt ain't allat tbh

[sharp saddle]

have you made this in svelte

i like the compiler

[fallen flame]

dart glazing is insane

[fallen flame]

https://github.com/jsdotlua/react-lua

[sharp saddle]

i felt disgusted when i saw that tbh

why don't you just use roblox-ts

and use the react library supporting that

you'll be more used to the syntax

[fallen flame]

have roblox games really evolved to a point where whole UI frameworks intended for full scale web projects are needed

[sharp saddle]

UI is important to make people interested

[fallen flame]

i mean true but porting react feels overkill 😔

[sharp saddle]

react is cool

also ion think it was that hard

[fallen flame]

i didnt even know metaprogramming like that was possible in lua

[sharp saddle]

lua is flexible

[fallen flame]

oh i think i misunderstood that they implemented jsx ☠️

[wanton scaffold]

who the fuck ported the entirety of react into roblox

whyy 😭

[sharp saddle]

why not

im waiting for them to implement websockets

would be really cool

better for secuirty measures too

and bascially everything

[eternal wave]

uh

no way

[sharp saddle]

wdym no way

roblox-ts is pretty code

and the compiler is perfect

well, not that perfect but you can always fix any errors easily

[granite storm]

mhm

[granite storm]

dart is op

its litr just js but with its shit fixed

poorly marketed tho

flutter is decent as well

after google brought project idx flutter just became easier

[granite storm]

avg bloatware

its like how electron ported the entire chromium repo to vscode

[fallen flame]

much like js it suffers if-else hell and is all-too sensitive to a misplaced comma. i can remember many a time when i spent hours debugging a single misplaced comma in a component

but it's okay i guess it's got fast hot reload

[granite storm]

eh u got comma errors

never happened 2 me

only thing i dont like abt dart is that it doesnt have a char type

[fallen flame]

idk all i remember is that the component system was more tedious than react native

[granite storm]

flutter has steep learning curve

still say its better than react

cross platform shit is 2 op

[fallen flame]

don't flutter widgets use material UI by default

[fallen flame]

also where does haskell and elixir place on this list

[granite storm]

mui is alr

i dont like mui 3

they kinda fucked it up

[granite storm]

haskell isnt rly practical

its a purist functional programming language

not rly comparable

mostly used in academia

elixir is kinda cracked tho

it has goofy syntax tho

[fallen flame]

nah it's beautiful

it's based off of ruby

[granite storm]

personally a ruby hater as u can c on the tier list lol

[fallen flame]

what'd ruby do to you 😔

[granite storm]

be slow

make me type end after everythin

run on java

i would just use python atp

[fallen flame]

bruh

[granite storm]

or kraber

i havent touched kraber in ages

probs should add pointers n shit

[fallen flame]

structures when

[granite storm]

y r u a onrails fan

[granite storm]

🤣

[fallen flame]

i'm not

[granite storm]

implementin high level shit is so hard in kraber

i litr cant mutate shit inside functions

its almost a functional programming language

[fallen flame]

lmao 💀

[granite storm]

then y do u like ruby

[fallen flame]

basically haskell

[fallen flame]

i don't i just like elixir

i haven't used ruby

probably never will

[granite storm]

🤣

[granite storm]

what did u do with elixir

its good 4 erlang vm shit ig

i didnt rly need it tho

[fallen flame]

i did some small work on the backend for dogehouse

i really loved elixir

[granite storm]

whats dogehouse

r u in crypto

nah thats sus

[fallen flame]

it was that one clubhouse ripoff that ben awad made

Not the cryptocurrency shit

[granite storm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WjczD5Q5VU

[fallen flame]

i swear i'm not a crypto bro 😭

https://github.com/benawad/dogehouse

[granite storm]

oh that ded

funny project

discord actually pissin me off with there security shit

i might migrate 2 irc channels

or make my own shit

[fallen flame]

discord honestly sucks now compared to 2019

I know its super cliche to hate on the new discord

but i really miss the old ui and api

[granite storm]

valid

um ui looks basically the same

oh no the login was way better back then

same with the accent color

the font

new logo is better tho

[wanton scaffold]

What 💀💀💀💀

[wanton scaffold]

Cause it's roblox

[sharp saddle]

electron ports chromium into an app you can use on windows

so you can port a website into an app easily using electron

[granite storm]

thats y u can inspect element on discord and vscode

[fallen flame]

both the github account and rights to the code were handed over to the chinese company

[sharp saddle]

fun

Chinese

[granite storm]

ccp after us

[fallen flame]

why does the igcse bot have 2000 lines of code in a single file 😭

[fair pawn]

that's the old repo 😭

[fallen flame]

where's the new repo

[fair pawn]

github

[mossy stirrup]

https://github.com/Sachin-dot-py/r-igcse-bot

[lucid flicker]

I opened up the laptop with no real intention, just wanted to see it, and when my mom came in the room, i tried to hide it and broke the hinge, on google it said that i just had to stick it. So I removed the battery, and fixed the hinge with some super glue, but when I did that the display cable unplugged, unsure if it broke or not, i connected the laptop to the monitor, and it was working, and i sent a pic in another subreddit, which told that it's alr its working, so foolishly i unplugged the laptop, removed the plate and just connected it back (WITHOUT FUCKING TURNING ANYTHING OFF) and then it just shut down completely, now nothing works, the charger doesn't light up, the keys don't work, pressing the power button does nothing. Then I realized, I lost the fucking screws, so after using and making a metal detector, i found all of them. And found a youtube video, that said something about static electricity and asked me to unplug the battery, so I again unplugged it, and did whatever it said, and i saw that the super glue wore off, and the hinge was gonna break, so i stuck with some tape. The video didn't work, but in the process I lost 2 screws again! I'm like a 100% sure I shorted the motherboard, but this is my moms laptop, and I'm going to die if i say i broke it, I'm going to get screwed, because i broke my pc before, and they literally just got me a new processor. And I wanted to try, if there was anything I could do to fix this pc, before I tell my mom.

Someone please help

[fallen river]

WHAT

and if you wanted to hide smth why would you close the laptop 😭

and what were you trying to hide this bad 😭

youre in some deep shit good luck bro

[lucid flicker]

i was hiding the opened laptop

[lucid flicker]

the laptop 😭😭

[lucid flicker]

today i took it to school

repair shop told fuck off

i told my mom

she was like okay

ill call a guy

[granite storm]

thats the old repo and i rewrote that into multiple files in the second python version

i split it into multiple files

the current 1 is node js im pretty sure

well typescript

bun or some shit idk

[fair pawn]

no wonder the errors

[empty torrent]

yeah we use bun

[granite storm]

🤣

says the guy who cant write an if statement

i write 7000 lines and the only errors were some missin imports

meanwhile u cant even write 10 lines without makin some 5 yo mistake

[granite storm]

ts ftw

[fallen flame]

global tech outage cripples systems https://apnews.com/live/internet-global-outage-crowdstrike-microsoft-downtime

crowdstrike appears to apply software affecting function at the kernel level

and some faulty update managed to trigger a catastrophic system error leading in bsods for windows systems

[sharp saddle]

yes bun is way faster than node.js

[empty torrent]

frfr

my nextjs builds went down from 10s to instant

[granite storm]

les go bois

dream achieved

[fallen flame]

rabbitmq for a discord bot is insane 😭

[fossil rivet]

why is this so dead wthh

[empty torrent]

no idea

[hoary burrow]

Which bot is this?

If it’s for igcse then that’s quite impressive

[fallen flame]

nah its polebot

pokebot

[fair pawn]

no hell no

we use mongo and redis

[hoary burrow]

Interesting

Well out of curiosity

What exactly are the advantages of using both redis and mongo over any SQL database like supabase?

I’m sure they’re both different, but I’m not very familiar with redis

[fallen flame]

redis is very fast as it stores data in memory and uses a key-value storage system

very good for caching data

especially since users often run pokebot commands in quick succession, redis would help alleviate strain on the mongoDB clusters (i think?)

[lucid ember]

does anyone know how people managed to make these topical papers?

was it fully by hand?

was looking to try and automate it for some subjects which may not get as many resources made for them, and would love to know the proccess if anyone knows it

[severe hill]

how about using the platform that made it automated.

[lucid ember]

?

[fair pawn]

for our use case,
we use redis with mongo
redis is different from sql and mongo, it's an in-memory database aka it doesn't store anything on the disk, all the data is in memory and much much faster than mongo or sql
and we use mongo because well, we were already using mongo when I joined 💀

redis is amazing for use cases where response time matters, for example each message sent in the server sends at least 1 request to redis and 0 to mongo, data is updated in redis, from mongo every few mins

[gray nacelle]

pro gramming and tech nology

mind blown

gramming is like instragram right

So the word predated instagram

They knew the future

Pro cuz like that’s what the kids use now

tech cuz they knew we gonna be doing tech stuff