lore-discussion-spoilers

[sharp lichen]

SHUT UP BOT

[hushed steeple]

Concept art and old doc is what I go with. Now that we know everything from it was in Japanese stream. And theres not really anything said about main story which is not shown visually or described in concept art. Not all of it stayed in current ver but most is, and its pretty obvious what stuff was cut.

Other than that dev trivia.

[keen shore]

I don’t care a lot about how much is canon, I am having fun in this channel and that is most of what matters to me. :-]

[tranquil harbor]

^ The point of lore chat

[hushed steeple]

Yeah thats why after I got the gist I flew a bit.

Its good to feed off of theories but personally finding intention is the most delicious to myself. Everyones different.

[keen shore]

like yeah I’d love for some more stuff to be confirmed, but if it had been from the start, I probably wouldn’t have come here, so I’m glad it’s this open to interpretation!!

[torn eagle]

Pros and cons

[keen shore]

it is fun and I like the friends I have made on here thst I can play the game with. I would rather have this than a game that infodumps everything on you

[tranquil harbor]

Sometimes I feel like sky gives so little info it wastes potential though

Does anyone have a photo of laughing light catcher before they're ascended?

[torn eagle]

Nop not me

What for ✍️ 👀

[tranquil harbor]

Lore doc. We need a comparison photo but both Baud and I have ascended light catcher

[scenic siren]

I think beside the color change from blue to yellow, spirits still look the same after you ascend them 🤔

[sharp lichen]

Don’t worry I got one

[tranquil harbor]

You've tried to place a photo like 3 times and they were all yellow

[sharp lichen]

There I got it

[tranquil harbor]

That's about all I got. Anyone else wanna check the lore doc and offer another opinion?

[torn eagle]

Dont the ascended spirits have a yellow shining orb when relived? Im not sure maybe its just me

[tranquil harbor]

I could go get a vid... But I'm lazy

[torn eagle]

Regarding the winged light flare being "a rare occurrence of the pure circle shape and powerful diamond shape in one" Im having mixed reactions about this being included in the description

Thoughts that could justify this? (I do know about the concept art regarding these symbols)

[tranquil harbor]

You'd have to ask Baud. That was already there when I got here, and I generally messed with formatting, wording, and 'hey maybe an example picture here would be helpful' type of things

I think I only suggested 1 piece of new info actually be added

[frigid tinsel]

reaally Baud should just call it by its name: a sundog or a parhelion

[frigid tinsel]

spirits will be yellow in spirit memories but unless they're the current TS or daily task, their soul sparkle won't change color

[sharp lichen]

That part was written by @wheat cypress

[torn eagle]

I mean the thought makes sense drawing from concept art

Theres nothing wrong with it persay but worried that it could possibly influence theory crafting... I dunno maybe just me

One thing that caught my attention was the wax thing when you activate the memory... If I remember correctly this is obsolete?

[tranquil harbor]

You still get a single wax when you activate a spirit memory

[torn eagle]

Ah ayt theen

[full minnow]

One singular wax

[tranquil harbor]

Sky kids can have a single wax. As a treat.

[torn eagle]

Wax is wax ig TvT

[full minnow]

Make sure to not go over the chevron limit or they burnout

[keen shore]

what about eye hurty circle

[sharp lichen]

That’s just the Sun

[tranquil harbor]

Is the winged lights being in different poses before the point of no return important enough to mention?

[full minnow]

They just tired of standing all day

[sharp lichen]

Maybe? The winged light section does seem a bit long

[torn eagle]

Maybe

From what ive noticed winged light always look up in the general direction of eden and only sit down in ||pnr||tunnel... Or maybe its the light beam theyre looking at dunno

[tranquil harbor]

It doesn't seem especially long. If anything the fan theory section seems too short. I don't know if it's fine like it is, or if the paragraph about different theories needs to be separated somehow

[sharp lichen]

Okay, I think you should add it then

[tranquil harbor]

I'm not sure how to break it up though.

[frigid tinsel]

it doesn't actually count toward candle amount

[tranquil harbor]

Then why Evil

[pastel brook]

we come in peas

[sharp lichen]

candle runners are suffering after this revelation

[frigid tinsel]

frankly I don't think the winged light section should be long since there is next to nothing confirmed about what winged light actually is. we only know what it does.

[tranquil harbor]

Where's our spirit wax, Sky bot?

The winged light section seems fine at the length it's at. It's easy to read like this. Though the fan theories section being 1 paragraph looks really compressed in comparison (and probably contributes to making the other section seem long). I think the paragraph needs to be broken up and presented in a 'prettier' way but I'm not sure how.

Like, I'm not sure how to suggest a fix. Do I leave a comment, or do I just do a suggestion and throw out like 90% of the original paragraph format? Do I just suggest a new one entirely?

[torn eagle]

Ennarcia's descent to overthought

[tranquil harbor]

'Descent' Baby I've been in the overthought zone for years

[torn eagle]

Descend Beyond TvT

[sharp lichen]

Lorechat is the overthought zone

[tranquil harbor]

and b4 sky bot comes in here with the forbidden image

[sharp lichen]

"it's not that deep"- my brother in christ everything else is a kiddie pool

[tranquil harbor]

Where else could squares of all things be so ominous and foreboding

[wheat cypress]

Hi I was the one who wrote the portion you're talking about.. this combination of the diamond symbol and the circle symbol is indeed a rare occurrence, but I do agree with you that the attached adjectives are a little too pushing towards my own ideas on the subject. Since this document is meant to be more of a starting blank spot for newer Lore enthusiasts I do agree that these adjectives should be removed. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I'd hate to impose my bias on anyone after all, especially newer players.

And @sharp lichen I was under no impression that this document was to be shared so early on nor that any of this was final... I do apologize for the confusion I may have caused since my section has yet to be polished and checked and whatnot

I just thought that this was all a work in progress that we'd all be collaborating on

[keen shore]

That makes a lot of sense! Don’t worry about it, I definitely got first draft vibes as well, but wasn’t 100% sure. Sorry it was shared so early.

[wheat cypress]

🥲 my inner ramblings have been exposed 😅

[tranquil harbor]

I thought Baud was the only one writing it until they said you wrote something. I apologize, I should have checked.

[keen shore]

I got the same impression, I don’t know if I didn’t read well enough or what (I have admittedly been skimming this chat more than anything)… do you know if anyone else participated in the document that hasn’t been mentioned yet??

[wheat cypress]

No no its not your fault of course haha. Also whoever updated the Winged light section with definitions and pics, you have my thanks 🙇‍♀️

[wheat cypress]

Uh yes I hope they don't mind the ping but @vast latch was also involved

[tranquil harbor]

We just suggested things. Baud was technically doing the leg work.

[keen shore]

I don’t think I’ve met them/talked to them before, that’s neat!

[wheat cypress]

The document was meant to be a long running work in progress to compile a masterlist of sorts for newer Lore people, so the idea was that we'd have many people collaborating on it, correct me if I'm wrong @sharp lichen

Yes I believe Alif wrote the spirits portion

[tranquil harbor]

I still should have checked. I know Baud has a habit of running ahead and considering things 'open source' without asking others in whatever group he's in.

[sonic ocean]

wait is there a new lore doc

[tranquil harbor]

In progress

[wheat cypress]

We're working on it

[sonic ocean]

oh

[wheat cypress]

I'm gonna faint

[tranquil harbor]

Are you upset at the doc or just embarrassed because people saw a draft?

[wheat cypress]

Embarrassed mostly haha

[frigid tinsel]

yall should really add your discord usernames w/ IDs for credit.
I was convinced Baud was the only one working on it and tbh sharing it without stating otherwise as well as before referring to you guys if sharing was okay is quite inconsiderate

[wheat cypress]

I had no idea this was finalized lol.... I have work to get to so unfortunately I'll have to step away for now, thank you for your understanding

[tranquil harbor]

It's a flaw of his we knew about in advance

[sonic ocean]

i mean if you let anyone know about what you're working on there's a chance it'll get leaked

what is it with sky and stuff getting leaked recently actually

[sharp lichen]

There was a message giving credit to the people in the document, and I think I included everyone.

With that said, I’m sorry about all this mess. This document was worked on from people in two servers, but I should’ve made that clearer

[tranquil harbor]

Too late, we're feeding you to the krill

[sharp lichen]

We haven’t even made a document about the krills how will lore moths know what they are

[tranquil harbor]

Golden Wasteland is right there

[torn eagle]

You dont need lore to know about krills

Unless the person is an actual moth

I wanna help but best I can do is give feedback or bring attention whats missing

Ive got other projects Im working on its been almost a month 💀

[sharp lichen]

I’m planning on making other lore docs. After all, many lore moths ask about the King and Eden

[vast latch]

Wha

Oh, uh yeah. I wrote some things in the doc

[sharp lichen]

Thank you everyone for working on first part of the lore doc. Now, lore moffs will be a little less confused

[tranquil harbor]

Don't give that to lore moths yet. Did you not listen to Alani at all?

[torn eagle]

A question or questions that stuck after lore discussions with someone

How are dark plants formed? Is darkstone and darkness different? Is darkstone the reason why dark plants thrive? Is darkness and corruption one or are they different?

[keen shore]

[slamming binder on desk] DO YOU WANT TO HEAR MY DARKNESS PLANT THEORY

[torn eagle]

Any theory is welcome I need more info ✍️ 👀

We also had ours but cross referencing first before finalizing

[strange olive]

There's a lore doc? Wher—

[torn eagle]

WIP

Salem be typin--

[winged prawn]

That’s a fair bit of typing

[keen shore]

gonna spoil this bc it gets dark at some points so be warned

||I am kind of distracted, so this explanation may not be great, my theory is based on the whole darkness plants parasitizing light thing. They latch on to where free light/flame is to contain it within themselves and use it to fuel their growth, kind of like a twisted version of photosynthesis.

The dark part comes when you realize that light seems almost synonymous with souls/lifeforce in this world. Darkness plants grow in shadows, so it’s safe to assume that they can’t substitute this need for light with sunlight, and so they have to go for the light that was previously part of a spirit or light creature before — because it’s easily accessible and won’t burn them away.

At best this leads to them latching around vulnerable light creatures like butterflies (seen in the pots in the Underforest) and the mantas that are trapped inside them at various points throughout Forest. They also grow off the whale bones in Boneyard, implying that there’s light for them to grow there; the only explanation that fits this idea is that they’re parasitizing what remains of the whale’s soul. So if they trap and sprout on the bodies of light creatures, what do they do for spirits and ancestors?

My idea is that some of the darkness plants, especially the massive ones in wasteland, grew off the light of dead people. They trapped their souls within themselves and are slowly dissolving them, breaking away everything that makes them distinguishable, and leaving only energy behind — hence why all we get is wax when we burn them.
A side note is that there’s a pretty common headcanon that darkness plants can grow inside of light creatures and sprout outwards, which also fits this idea, but isn’t the main point of my theory.||

The evidence I have for this is in next post bc this one got too long

This would explain why

• there’s something that looks like a darkness plant bulb in the chest of every spirit before we relive them (the plants have started to parasitize them but we got there in time before they were broken down completely)
• where all the bodies in wasteland went; there’s a war, so obviously a lot of people died, but where their bodies went isn’t obvious in canon
• a LOT of stuff in tearful light miner’s memory, including the bulb that sprouts out of one guys chest
• Where most of the spirits went… I mean, there’s got to be more than what we see. Either other people relive them, a non zero amount fell victim to the plants, or both.
• spirit memories where you have to burn away darkness to continue reliving them (as in, the darkness plant is parasitizing the memory as well/it’s a representation of what happened to a spirit in them)
• why candles are in front of spirit’s graves - to burn the darkness plants away
• and a bunch of other things I can’t remember right now

[torn eagle]

It fits, noted

Now that whenever you burn dark plants butterflies are now released the thing where creatures/souls are trapped in dark plants is now canon

Question: is it possible that a catalyst of the darkness plants growing is because of the harvesting/harnessing of darkstone?

[keen shore]

Maybe. I can’t think of any evidence that would prove it either way. There doesn’t seem to be any obvious correlation in-game in terms of if they’re both frequent in the same areas. Hmm

[torn eagle]

I cant talk about my conjectures evidences used are not live yet

One more question: Was there ever a mention that darkness and light lived in harmony before?

[keen shore]

I don’t think so, but it seems to be implied to some extent… I could be forgetting something, though.

[frigid tinsel]

I think the balance theory is most presumption, assuming from outside non-Sky info/philosophy that light and darkness, being opposites, may or used to keep each other in balance but no longer due for ancestor reasons. There’s really nothing I can recall in game that suggests it

[torn eagle]

There was a theory awhile ago that has its foundations resting on "Darkness and Light living in harmony"

The theory states that, well, darkness and light coexisted and lived in harmony and balance

But after darkstone was harvested, refined, and harnessed it threw of this balance.. even more when light creatures were extracted of their light

This in turn caused "dark dust" to drift around (examples are the dark particles found on hostile crabs) and these "dark dust" became the catalyst for dark plants to grow

One focal proof is the fact that only in forest do we see a huge dark plant growing (compared to other temples).. and forest temple is supposed to be a darkstone refinery

[frigid tinsel]

Golden Wasteland dark plants:
The one in Sanctuary caves:

[torn eagle]

Yea I corrected it to "compared with other temples"

We theorized that most likely those with huge dark plants have had darkstone in them at some point, or is a suitable place for darkness to thrive

We also synonimized corruption and darkness in this case.. idk how accurate that would be tho

[frigid tinsel]

You theorized

[torn eagle]

We, it was a private discussion

[frigid tinsel]

That I wasn’t apart of

[torn eagle]

Im using we coz it wasnt just mine... Is that wrong? TvT

It wasnt in this channel either

[frigid tinsel]

Sorry I’m just not in mood, not trying to be rude.
Just clarify who you’re talking about and don’t try to rope other people if they weren’t involved cos I was genuinely confused

[torn eagle]

Ahh oki

Basically me and a friend talked in a private discussion

Then I went here to ask opinions and ask questions TvT sorry if that confused you

[frigid tinsel]

Anyways my thoughts is that darkness flakes, what you call “dark dust,” settle somewhere and grow into darkness plants if they have a source of light energy but not in direct sunlight. That’s why they are only ever found in caves or outdoor places of considerable cloud cover (Forest/Wasteland). As for why they can’t grow in direct sunlight, I’m not sure. Dark crabs are also found in such arrangements. It seems darkness is overwhelmed by direct sunlight or neutral light it can’t utilize effectively.

These dark flakes are akin to seeds. They use light energy from more magical light sources like butterflies, mantas, and — as per Salem’s theory — ancestor bodies to grow. A darkness flake landing on such creatures lands in nourishing soil, roots, and sucks out the light energy as it sprouts. Perhaps larger ones can catch light creatures passively (getting stuck) or actively (piranha plants), explaining why mantas and birds get trapped in darkness plants.

Dark plants may grow off and around power diamonds because there may be remnant light energy stored inside that the dark plant can use

[keen shore]

I could have sworn it was implied, although I’m kinda happy it’s not. The whole “light in dark existing in balance and then getting thrown off” concept is fine, and it seems like something Sky lore would have in it in terms of themes, but I swear that almost every piece of media involving that comparison uses it. It’s just like “yeah whatever” at this point.I don’t know how to explain it, but it def comes off to me as the expected/boring answer at this point.

Like canonically, it’s probably true, It’s just not the most interesting explanation for it, second only in boringness to light good dark bad

[torn eagle]

Thank you for more info

You too @keen shore

✍️ 👀

[torn eagle]

Yea its been used a lot in themes with light and dark

But you cant really blame em.. the efficacy of the concept still exists TvT

Any idea what the crab like entities are in switch trailer? 🤔

Is the switch trailer proof that ancestors can control the flame? ||I think this is the effect of no sleep.. brain is everywhere||

[keen shore]

I will think about it, but real quick, can I ask you not to ping me every time you reply? There should be an option to turn it off. Ty!!

[sharp lichen]

Broke: Light good Dark bad

Woke: Light and Dark are only good in balance

Ascended: Both Light and Dark are good

Godlike: Both Light and Dark are bad

[frigid tinsel]

if ancestors are beings of light (which are heavily implied that they are) then it makes sense for them to be able to control light on their own to some degree. we see it with Sanctuary guide, the lightseekers during sapling quests, and the Enchantment crew

[torn eagle]

Ah ayt noted

[frigid tinsel]

you also don't have to directly reply to a message if there's only two bouncing back in forth in a channel.
✨the more you know ✨

[keen shore]

I really like to think of darkness in this universe as similar to how we think of death. It’s not necessarily bad, but let’s be real, most people think of it as horrible/evil anyways.

Since Sky seems to have a rebirth cycle to some extent, permanent death where there’s no rebirth After might be really hard to comprehend in this universe, and that’s the role of darkness if that makes sense

[torn eagle]

Just used to replying to messages (i feel strange not replying)

Anywho, any thoughts on thatskyshops "From Darkness Light is Born" statement (seriously debating if that should be counted in my notes TvT)

[keen shore]

to answer the flame question. I think at least at least some ancestors can control it, but not necessarily All. We do see elemental lights being used a fair bit in game for similar purposes; maybe the ancestor in the trailer absorbed orange light and that’s why they could do that.

It’s most likely a thing, but considering we don’t see it being used super often, idk if everyone had it or just a select few

[keen shore]

I think it’s like stars! Like darkness didn’t necessarily shape the light, but to an outside observer, it looks like it came out of nowhere… from the darkness. Kinda like skykids.

Unsure if I’m getting krilled for that statement or being called one

[frigid tinsel]

I remember in the Abyss dev Q&A, they called the oceans "realms of darkness" and remarked upon light creatures flying out of the water when summoned during Sanctuary quests. they didn't elaborate, but with the "from darkness, light is born" quip on thatskyshop, I think they're implying that light, somehow, forms from darkness

[uncut pond]

I personally think that plants and stuff are less like death and more like... Reincarnation? But like, less in the Sky way and more in the "you are reborn as a completely different creature with no/minimal memory of your past life" way
Since we know light still exists inside the plants and can be free'd and due to entropy all light returns to Megabird sooner or later, maybe those former ancestors are just reborn as a different creature

[torn eagle]

Huh, noted ✍️

[uncut pond]

Ok but what if we had a season where we see actual descendants of the dark (assuming crabs aren't that already)?
Like we see Darkness' version of skids or a Darkness Megabird

(not beta spoilers before anyone asks, i dunno much about shattering actually)

[keen shore]

Do you mind phrasing this a bit differently? I get what you mean with the reincarnation and not remembering thing, I just don’t really get how that’s connected to darkness plants — I feel like I’m missing something

[keen shore]

To be honest I’m not sure if darkness works like that. I doubt it has a god equivalent of Megabird, and I don’t know if it can form living things — most of the “darkness” creatures seem to be corrupted or altered versions of light creatures, and none of them seem like they’re doing good or are supposed to be like that at all. The darkness in Sky feels more like an abscence of light and life than an opposite to it

[uncut pond]

I meant it like, Dark Plants only kill the individuality for the lack of a better word? (I'm not a native english speaker)
Like the light plants absorb doesn't "die", it's still there and will eventually be reborn, it's just the ancestors' memories that are gone

[frigid tinsel]

if darkness is ruled by a god, it must be even more passive than Megabird

[lapis prairie]

Ayo, do you think that the society of Sky has any kind of written language? Given the mural art, the communication through sounds, and the existence of the Vault, what is your opinion? Or do they rely on a system of symbols, just like Kanji is?

Extra: how do they play songs if they dont have any kind of system for musical notes?

[torn eagle]

I think the headwear you can get from levitating adept has their written language? Can anyone confirm?

[uncut pond]

You're right, but I just like to imagine stuff

[violet sundial]

Butterflies pop out of most of the dark plants when you burn them now

Just thought that’d be worth noting

[torn eagle]

I like to think theyre slowly recycling concepts... There was a concept for dark plants having creatures or souls trapped inside of them

Its a neat addition and I like it both lore and game wise 👀

[uncut pond]

Tbh now that I think about it, since Light seems to represent the idea of working together, like, it has this theme of being a "whole"

What if an hypotethical god of Darkness would be the complete opposite of Megabird? Like, a god that represents extreme individualism, a god that isn't a sum of parts that form a "whole", but rather an individual from which all darkness originated...

[frigid tinsel]

the ancestors likely had a writing system. there are symbols on bells in Prairie village and written on Levitating Adept & Vault Elder's headdress. in Harmony Hall, instruments have blank labels under them, likely signifying what instrument they are to be read.

likewise, the ancestors probably had a system for writing musical notes – in Harmony Hall, there are papers spread throughout that, given their proximity to their music sheet challenge and Storyteller's little shop, might be where musical notes were written. perhaps the symbols we see on our music sheets were what the ancestors had.

[keen shore]

Oh, I think I get what you mean! Personally, I think only skykids keep memories between rebirths; I’m not sure about any other creature. There might be a difference between being reborn in the same life (closer to resurrection) and full on rebirth as an entirely different creature…

With the way spirits work currently, they either aren’t part of the rebirth cycle, or have chosen to stick around for a bit, hence why we can still see them after reliving them. Some of them most likely would have had friends that got absorbed by darkness plants, and to those spirits, I don’t know if they’d care that the leftover light ended up becoming butterflies. If all that makes a person a person and not a glob of energy is gone, it might be more comparable to death to other people than anything else

[lapis prairie]

I am also more or less convinced that given the amount of realms, the skykids are not a monolith, but multiple nations, i.e. ATLA

[frigid tinsel]

although I like to think that they don't have to share music sheets on paper but just by vibes, if that makes sense. emanating the music

[violet sundial]

Actually now that I think about it… if its true that dark plants can grow from things like ancestor’s bodies, does that mean light creatures can be broken down? Like… mantas into butterflies… if that makes any sense

[keen shore]

also there’s books! one is shown in apologetic lumberjack’s memory, there are massive replicas of them on sneezing geographers island, etc.

[violet sundial]

Reminds me of Journey’s tower (at least my interpretation of it)

[uncut pond]

Sky kids are just silly little guys
They just want to save the world by commiting arson :>

[keen shore]

my theory is based around the idea that that concept has always been the case, it was just made more obvious recently with the butterflies! I actually only found out about that art after making the theory, so I usually just include it as possible evidence.

[frigid tinsel]

Concept art y’all are referencing

[lapis prairie]

The thing is, my support for that theory is the weather, choice of dress (the headscarf of the dancer and of the vault elder, the afro hair, etc) would make distinct sky societies and belief systems

[violet sundial]

This actually would be really interesting if like… spirits used dark plants to break down dead things into pure light to use? Talk about efficiency

[uncut pond]

The ancestors most likely had different cultures, but I personally doubt skids do, not to the same capacity that ancestors do at least

[violet sundial]

I also would say that like… i dunno about belief systems? Do you mean like, religious?

[lapis prairie]

Maybe the cultures had been lost (only seen in murals and the vault) ans skykids basically became a monolith because they are unaware of their cultures

[visual knoll]

Is the king dead or is he just Batmaning in his sky castle?

[keen shore]

I have an incredibly weird and hard to explain theory that also goes into this. It’s one of my favorites, actually.

So Megabird is usually thought of in this chat as ahhh. I don’t remember what the word is, ask Alasdair, he thought of it. But it’s like a hivemind where it contains the thoughts, memories, personalities, identities, etc. of everything within it — every light creature, person, etc, who’s not a living being at the moment. This idea is based on concept art and the idea that they are what talks in the intro, explaining the usage of “we” and the apparent struggle of deciding whether they’re a spirit, elder, etc.

My theory is that large light creatures (the whale, the elder creature in sanctuary, etc) are also smaller hiveminds similar to this, but of solely light creatures. Hence how most of them look like x creature but long. I don’t know, I’m struggling to focus and elaborate, i just think it would be neat if they worked like tiny little Megabird fragments — or like the light creature version of elders.

[lapis prairie]

Not just belief system, sorry for the poor wording, but like...legends, folklore, etc. basically not just religion

[violet sundial]

OHHH that sounds really cool

[violet sundial]

I personally think that like light is almost like cells in that like as more of it clumps together it gets increasingly complex. And like the orbs of Light that the quests make you look for is one of the simplest forms whereas like birds and mantas are more complex and whales and elder birds are way up there so to speak

[keen shore]

sorta like that yeah, but with each piece after a certain point having its own identity

[violet sundial]

And as such it can be broken back down into simpler forms. Also journey kinda does this and i really like how it does that but that’s Not Sky so

I wonder if there’s any Lightseekers that got their hands on light by decomposing things

Sounds like something Baffled Botanist would know about if so, imo

[frigid tinsel]

re: my thoughts on what is Megabird

the Light is a collectivist hivemind containing, preserving, connecting every individual being of light within it. Megabird is the Light's consciousness – They are only aware of what the beings in the Light is aware of. Megabird acts on the Light's behalf, making decisions for the wellbeing of the Light and the beings of Light who remain on the world below. hence the creation of skykids.
and
i make the distinction between a collectivist hivemind and a conformist hivemind.

a conformist hivemind is what most people think when they hear hivemind – an entity that subsumes other minds into itself to form a singular consciousness. all beings within the conformist entity lose their individuality for the singular consciousness to completely and utterly control them.

a collectivist hivemind is one where every being within the entity is connected to each other. they retain their individuality. the entity is composed of many consciousnesses that are aware and communicate with each other. this sort of hivemind can, theoretically, maintain a singular thread of consciousness that is the sum of all its consciousnesses, but the individuals within it can still be aware of themselves as individuals.

[keen shore]

thank you!! this explanation is a lot better than mine was is very appreciated

[frigid tinsel]

But yea you got it — a conformist hivemind would regard itself as “I” because it is a sole individual. A collectivist would refer to itself as “we” since it is of many

[real mortar]

is it lore that forest elder is part kraken

[keen shore]

No but they are part cat, hope this helps! /hj

[real mortar]

super helpful doodles kraken cat hybrid and labels it forest elder I shall store this in the vault archives!

[keen shore]

The kraken esque part you might be talking about might be more likely a jellyfish inspiration, based on the shape of their hair and the jellyfish outside their temple! although… a kraken cat sounds so much cooler

[keen shore]

HEHEHEHEEHE

[violet sundial]

I feel like forest elder would be the kind of person to have a complaint box for Skykids but its actually connected to a hidden paper shredder

[keen shore]

when I was a moth they were my favorite elder bc I watched the cutscene of them trying to get the social interaction over with as quickly as possible and went… mood

[violet sundial]

[molten gull]

The valley twins are definitely the most youngest elders, and they love to prank the elders a lot + cause chaos

[lapis prairie]

To be honest, I feel like the Forest Elder has hidden, ulterior motives, but they are indeed the most...impolite one of the bunch, or that could just be a facade and actually be some saviour of sorts (maybe related to the Sky King? They either stopped him or was the one who enabled the corruption given that the dark flowers and krebs can be found in the Hidden Forest for the first time)

[keen shore]

I don’t think they have done anything wrong in their life ever /j

[sonic ocean]

i like to think the elders all share ~10 brain cells but the valley elder keeps selling the brain cells on ebay

[sonic ocean]

be me
open minecraft crafting table
use 4 butterflies to craft a manta

[keen shore]

They just like us fr

[violet sundial]

HELP 💀💀

[sharp lichen]

They act suspiciously similar to a teenager

[shrewd trout]

bro i just. saw the concept art

u sayin we could’ve had elder boss battles ;-;

[sharp lichen]

How would that work?

[floral grove]

Does anyone have any thoughts on hair color? At first, I thought that the closer one's connection is to Light, the whiter their hair becomes but it just doesn't make much sense how Elders are already halfway through being "dangerous" for their indifference to Light but still have white hair. Also, if that were the case, then the Ancestors would have to be found below the Elders (due to their darker hair) which would imply that Ancestors are some of the most dangerous species out there

[sharp lichen]

Now that I think of it, each Elder’s personality represents the stage of life for each realm

Isle Elder isn’t a baby, but they do seem the simplest of all the Elders. The thing associated with them is birds, which linearly guide the way, similar to how parents guide the way for babies.

Prairie Elder acts sleepy, like a child, and they’re associated with butterflies, who sometimes help out, but most of the the time they move about randomly.

Forest Elder acts aggressive, similar to a moody teenager. They’re associated with Power Diamonds, which have a wide an complex array of uses, possibly symbolizing teenagers working and dealing with more complex things.

The Valley Elders are egotistical and showboaty, symbolizing the golden years of early adulthood. They’re associated with entertainment, since this is normally a time of enjoyment at this time of life.

Wasteland Elder is dejected, similar to many Middle Aged people. They’re in charge of defense, which symbolizes adults trying to defend themselves against any potential threats.

Vault Elder is calm and relaxed, similar to many senior people. They’re in charge of storing memories, which is a thing that old people have the greatest amount of.

[sharp lichen]

Considering that there isn’t any hair color besides white that I know of, I’m not sure about this. And how are the Elders dangerous? They don’t seem that indifferent to light. I think the blue hair thing could have been a stylistic choice, but white was decided upon

[violet sundial]

I think the blue color is more environment related cus those guys look like they’re from Wasteland possibly

[frigid tinsel]

Juggler has a bit of yellow in their hair but it could be dyes. Otherwise, all ancestors seem to have white hair. I think it’s blue here cos it’s concept art and color is easier to work with than noncolor

[floral grove]

I'm basing it off of the concept art that I saw a few days ago. In the concept, it was implied that the sharper the shapes of something, the more dangerous it is. Since the Elders mostly have sharp and angular masks, they are placed between neutral species and straight up dangerous species (hence they're halfway through being dangerous)

I know basing stuff off of concept art isn't the most reliable thing to do but we gotta start somewhere

[violet sundial]

To be fair, the bells on top of those structures in prairie and isle are pretty pointy, but not dangerous so its very inconsistent

[shrewd trout]

From what I saw when you first encountered the Elders they would be ‘corrupted’ in some fashion, and you would have to free them in order to progress.

Seems real cool in concept but I also kinda get why they didn’t implement. Boss battles would be wicked if done correctly, but theres a lot of complications it would bring.

[frigid tinsel]

Zhao seemed to have had a different outlook on Sky than its current iteration. I believe he made the concept art in 2013

[floral grove]

If this were a thing, I bet the twins would be painful to beat. I can't imagine beating two bosses at once, let alone really agile ones

[shrewd trout]

Something to note is that the elders get sharper as you go I believe, especially prominent in concept art

[floral grove]

Even in the live game, the Elders' masks get sharper and angular the closer we get to Eden. Compare Isle Elder's mask with Vault Elder's mask

I also just thought about this now but what if the Elders are arranged based on how dangerous they are? Isle Elder would be the friendliest Elder and while Eden's ex-Elder would be the most dangerous. This sorta fits with the theory that the sharper something is, the more dangerous they are because the Elders' mask do indeed get more angular the further we progress

[violet sundial]

Hmm… i can see that with forest and valley elders but Vault elder’s doesn’t really… its not all that sharp

Also i think its good to know that the masks are meant to represent the elder’s jobs for the most part

Isle elder - boat
Prairie elder - jar
Forest elder - diamond
Valley elder - ?????
Wasteland elder - whale
Vault elder - tower/vault

The whale thing is a bit complex to explain but there is many potential reasons why their mask is like that

[floral grove]

Wasteland Elder's mask for me looks more like the entrance to their temple. The prongs at the sides of the mask resemble the King statues while the stubby prong at the middle that has the diamond seems to signify the temple. That would make their job as the defender of the temple (or the entirety of GW)

[hasty ocean]

Anybody have that one screenshot of that art of how sky kids cycle from earth to the kingdom of sky and through the megabird??? I think it was fan art

Nevermind I found it!

[shrewd trout]

The concept art for valley elders stated that their masks were comfortable, fit for moving and competing. So athlete of some sort?

[shrewd trout]

Maybe this is also a remnant from when they were still planning boss battles? Who rlly knows lol

[violet sundial]

Also basic explanation is that the war mightve been a civil war in which one side fought amongst Light creatures against those who were loyal to the King

And GW elder may have defected and joined the “Light” side and therefore they wear a mask that reflects that

[tough coral]

late but this just made me think of the hollow knight mantis lords. two guys like five times your height and thin as a rail zipping around at the speed of light to beat the everloving light out of you

[sharp lichen]

Twins can accelerate instantaneously. You’re dead if you think you can challenge them

[vast latch]

I feel like they would be the hit-and-run or quick combo chain bosses

[keen shore]

on one hand I think elder boss battles would be super cool. on the other I do not want to fight them I want to hug them. this is my plight

[harsh pecan]

A boss battle sounds pretty cool imo

[frigid tinsel]

the real boss battle was the friends we made along the way

[pastel brook]

A shadow is just a friend you haven't met yet

[noble ferry]

wasteland elder would probably straight up be some dark souls boss, maybe half-corrupted like the one in the concept arts
valley elders you'd just fight both of them and they're pretty fast

idk other ideas

[untold notch]

or its the worm off the strings in fire trial

[harsh pecan]

Tbh I wanna know how the Isle Elder and Vault Elder boss fights would work

[noble ferry]

i'd imagine vault elder would create illusions and holographic enemies for you to avoid
isle elder straight up bonks you with his staff

[calm jay]

isle elder would never fight a kid. forest elder on the other hand...

[tough coral]

hot take: if skyworld has/had light creature dragons they would look like sea slugs. send post.

[calm jay]

ooooooogugughgguh sea slugs!!!!!

[lean marten]

I have come for a dose of lore, what goes on in these parts?

[polar forge]

She would smack you into the Black Room with her hammer 🔨

[gloomy jacinth]

juggler's hair has a yellow strand of hair tho your theory made me wonder if juggler's hair has any meaning or the spirit just thought it'd be cool to get yellow highlights and so they did

[noble ferry]

forest elder would seismic toss you into the eden diamond which then explodes, thus causing the shard things to spread across all the realms
darn it, forest elder

[mossy brook]

sorry to butt in but has anyone else seen forest elder’s beta concept

they were this eldritch thing that was hunting you down in a maze-like appearance of forest and you had to cleanse them of darkness at the end or something and they looked so sick and their beta mask is still on the temple door to this day

[noble ferry]

hidden forest but tgc decided to turn it into literally a horror game and forest elder is hunting you down and there's scary music and stuff

[mossy brook]

i freaking loved that omgosh
she looked terrifying too! Im not saying her current design isn’t scary, but if you compared present day forest mama with a hammer.. you’d be comparing it to this creature with a slender umbrella that watched you from the hollows of its mask

[noble ferry]

present forest elder would look at skykid and be like ,"Who's this sassy lost child."
past version forest elder would stalk the skykid and jumpscare the poor child.

[mossy brook]

Here’s also an interesting comparison between the beta design and whales. Seeing how forest was the first death place, and you only see whales in the death realms, it’s really interesting

[mossy brook]

weren’t the valley elders breaking their ankle? And dont even get started on isle, poor man was a hand spider and then a vulture

[noble ferry]

hand spider is probably gonna appear in my nightmares i swear
thank you tgc for not making hand spider a reality

[mossy brook]

On the topic of nightmares, im gonna breifly pause to talk about wormies

Trials are technically on a different dimension from the normal sky kingdom. And so we see... shadows are overpowered as heck. We can only fight back in ascended form

at least we can fight back in krills by dodging them, or using spells, or some other beta features im not going to mention..

tl;dr = shadows in the sky kingdom would be hell

[hushed steeple]

wow while doing ||eden|| i found this mural which looks alot like the king 😳

[mossy brook]

that also kinda looks like prince though.. i usually associate smaller king masks with prince and towering ones with king

the thing on top could totally be megabird too, or it could just be the eye of eden.. did the eye of eden come from megabird?? now im confusing myself

[hushed steeple]

that thing looks like eden's heart in my opinion, the thing in point of no return! ooh i never thought of that being the prince. more lore SCREEEEEEE~

[mossy brook]

eye of eden is the thing in pnr, its why the place is quite literally called eye of eden
also I always thought the prince and king were two different people, but i was kinda proven wrong. Hard to believe anyway, the tiny little scringly NEVER grows into the king in my storybook

[hushed steeple]

damn- i thought the prince was the younger version of the king. 😶‍🌫️

[shy fulcrum]

What's up with the yellow-orange pot in the first floor of vault?

[torn eagle]

Was an old quest before but has since been defunct and the pot just stays there

[shy fulcrum]

Oh what was the quest?

[torn eagle]

Its just to visit the pot

Its like visit the eagles nest (eggs in forest)

[shy fulcrum]

Ah I see

[mossy brook]

So I went through all the elder cutscenes again.. is this king? King in the mountain?? I would like at least some explanation on this

[azure dagger]

Its giving this

[torn eagle]

Yes that is the king

[azure dagger]

The 6 poles could be the 6 realms (apart from eden)

The person in the middle could be the eden king
The circle he's holding is...(we don't know yet)

The mountain in the background is probably the eden mountain
The top of it could be the eden castle before we go to orbit

All the dots are stars,some are brighter and dimmer
(Could be symbolizing ranks among the creatures)

The outer 2 poles, we have no idea yet (could be the one supporting all the realms as shown theyre connected by constellations below)

The 6 wind could be symbolizing elders

[torn eagle]

One question that may not be deep and Im just overthinking it

Why is eden called eden? Is eden the kingdom or is eden the storm?

[azure dagger]

My theory is that eden used to be the capital of all kingdoms

But we dont know where the word came from

[torn eagle]

Just thinking that if eden is used as the name just for symbolism.. then there would be some symbolic explanation to the king mural in vault cutscene

As for if eden is the kingdom or if eden is the storm... Dunno eye of eden seemingly refers to the storm (eye of the storm) but ehhh

[azure dagger]

It definitely has a meaning,but we dont know yet

My question is what that little ball the king is holding

[torn eagle]

Going by the thought that eden is just for symbolism.. maybe the ball is the so called "apple of eden" (biblical reference)

The apple in the bible is the symbol for wisdom and knowledge.. but also a curse (if Im not wrong its been awhile since ai touched biblical themes)

[lofty totem]

Where is this?

[torn eagle]

Before eden door, right side, light the candles

[primal vale]

I have a theory that the light that flies at the end is our ancestors (the ones that completed the journey before us)

[azure dagger]

Its at eden! Right before 2nd part to the right with candles
I believe it was a new addition with the new update

[torn eagle]

May I ask you to rephrase that my brain is too ded TvT i am confused

[azure dagger]

I think they meant the other skids flying with us in orbit

[primal vale]

When you die, a cutscene plays before you enter the pity room.

[azure dagger]

Ooohh that....
You mean the statues before we give wl to them?

They may actually be the first ones to go to eden,maybe the first skykids to be born!

[primal vale]

Yup!

I’m my gameplays, I realized the more you enter Eden, the less light there are.

[torn eagle]

..ho?

I havent been to the pity room yet

[primal vale]

So, it’s probably:

1: it’s lessens until it refreshed the next time you play Eden (which means it’s just unnecessary)

2: probably a hint of the devs from my theory.

[torn eagle]

Eden refreshes once a week.. yes its a function that you cant light already lit statues in eden until eden reset

[primal vale]

The pity room is where you appear as a extinguished and capeless person, and you meet a white version of yourself, and merge Steven universe style.

[primal vale]

That loosens it up a bit. Any theories? I’m still figuring it out.

[torn eagle]

... thats a different thing

The pity room is a dark room where you appear when you lose all winged light in a normal gameplay (excluding eden) and there would be one singular winged light there and you will spawn back at home (without the whole eden sequence)

Correct me if Im wrong I have limited knowledge of the pity room... But Im pretty sure what you encounter after eden isnt the pity room (or at least the pity room without going to eden)

Note: Had a friend who got themselves krilled for fun just to enter the pity room

[primal vale]

Ok I think the lore has something to do with the next season, they said that it would not look like a season in the first glance. I think they also said it would make the sky world the opposite? (Example if you don’t get it: in the season there might be krills and nighttime at pirrarie)

[azure dagger]

So let's go back to the beginning

The elders created us to destroy the darkness and return the light

So we collect wl and all that stuff,then we go to eden,to complete our goal
-return the light of its fallen

So we do all thats stuff then die. We completed our goal to return the light
But what about defeating the darkness?

We literally just died to revive the others who died first, just like a never ending cycle

Do we even defeat the darkness?
We haven't completed our goal yet

[torn eagle]

More like good ol megan created us

About that.. i think there were speculations about the whole defeating darkness thing, I dont remember much of it

[primal vale]

That might be something to do with the season but..

I think it’s just so that when you finish the game, you would still continue to play.

Please correct me if I’m wrong, I’m not one to know that much on lore, I’m just a beginner

[azure dagger]

Yes but that defeats the whole "destroy the darkness" and we just get trapped in a cycle

[torn eagle]

I think in the intros our actual goal is to return the spirits back to the stars (intros both old and new and stars Ig they mean megan)

[azure dagger]

Mmhm but what about the darkness? Do we just let it sit there and let it take over?

[primal vale]

Wait.. in the first cutscene we see, at the end of the cutscene, it grows the wings on us, but when we actually get birthed, we don’t have a cape yet.

I’m thinking that if there’s a wl on us in the cutscene, we would have a cape already?

The meaning of this: maybe we’re not the chosen one, (this narrows it down a lot but please correct me if I’m wrong.)

[torn eagle]

To be fair we are burning the darkness but it seems we cant get rid of it completely

Im thinking it may also be related to the fact that we cannot save the king no matter how many times we go back

[torn eagle]

Tru, when you start the game fresh you only get your cape after taking your first winged light

[azure dagger]

So we just like give up?

[torn eagle]

We are still going back there no?

[primal vale]

Also, we had to collect the winged light ourself, I think that there IS a chosen one, but it’s not us.

My conclusion: we’re stealing what was meant to be the actual chosen ones light.
)I know, this really narrows it down, but again I’m still a newbie at lore.)

[azure dagger]

But when we collect a wl, it doesn't just disappear from someone else's and make them unable to collect it, meaning theres wl for every each of us

[primal vale]

True, I think the dailies were given by the elders, they just give you prizes so you would do it.

[torn eagle]

Well there isnt a mention of the chosen one persay (if you mean the prophecy it's the prince, the first sky kid and has been coronated to be the king)

[primal vale]

Hmm..

[primal vale]

I wonder if we’re not the chosen one, but we were able to save someone. (From the darkness)

Bringing it back to the pity room, there was a white child remember? Maybe we saved that child. But how?

It might be:

1: giving it a hug and merging with it. (And you retuned back home with it, probably.)

2: relieving the spirits. Maybe the spirits (the ones that give you emotes) tried to save the white child, and died trying? Maybe because the child was family.

[primal vale]

But the fact a new child appears when you revisit Eden may be:

1: the darkness captured another

2: it’s proof that my theory is wrong.

[tranquil harbor]

It'd actually be rather interesting if the white child was the spirits we'd saved. Like an amalgamation of them trying to help us like we helped them. If our skid does the Eden trip to fully ascend the spirits, it'd make sense

[primal vale]

True. That might make my past theory wrong, (that the light before pity room was the past chosen people) and the light was something or someone else.

[torn eagle]

I don't think there is a chosen one though... Every skykid, you, me, and everyone were sent by the megabird to save the ancestor spirits.. a proof I could put forward are the statues of sky kids you see in eden... If there was a chosen one why are there lots of them that preceded us

The white child is speculated to be the prince/king (is it really called the pity room? TvT)

Going by the speculation of white child is prince/king theres a different dynamic between these people

[tranquil harbor]

The pity room is specifically the place you go when you die outside of Eden. It's a black void with a single winged light. Not the white child room.

[primal vale]

The child might not be winged light, it doesent shine as much as the ones we see. Or maybe it’s one that’s distinguished by the king of Eden (or possibly a krill)

[torn eagle]

But then after the temple scenes we see the ancestor spirits ascend to the skies and now we can access them through the constellation (we have sent them back home, to the stars)

[torn eagle]

You may check ushering stargazers memory in isle of dawn.. you will see the white child in their memory

[tranquil harbor]

Good point! However, we do see them ascending to orbit with us on our Eden trips. So either they're that slow since we leave them in our flight dust, or this theory just needs some tweaking

Also lol, the spirits being slow and being annoyed when they've crawled 4 inches in a month. The sky kid that saved them has lapped them 4 times.

[primal vale]

True, they are possibly the caretaker, I think they showed every spirit we find and let it spread out. (I think they tried to go to Eden too when they were still alive, which killed them.)

[torn eagle]

XDDD actually nah they have reached the end with us... Tho they only show themselves when youve spent ac on them

Connected to a different theory

[primal vale]

I think that Eden is possibly making us go through it to try and capture us. Turning us to the child in the pity room. (Which failed) we escaped with one too. I’m guessing we only save one person, (because there’s many of us, you said we don’t have a chosen one.) and leaving the others to rot.

We might actually be a good person or hero, but we can only save one child each.

But I don’t think it returned home with us. I think it fell back to isle (thinking that the child in ushering stargazers memory was the one we saved.)

[primal vale]

And that confirms that this might actually be true in this theory.

[stiff flint]

Hello fellow sky kids! Today I got curious about the lore side of sky and I have a few burning questions! If sky kids are something new dropped by the megabird does it make them different species from the spirits? :>

[primal vale]

If they were different species, they wouldn’t be called child. But that may be a part of the lore 🤔

[stiff flint]

Also why do spirits always have only one star on their capes?

[stiff flint]

I just saw some people on tumblr say that first sky kid - future King fell from the sky

[primal vale]

Maybe that’s why they’re dead. If they ventured through Eden too, they would get krilled or die in a way in Eden. (Reasoning that their light is so little they can’t survive a hit from a krill)

[torn eagle]

Not much is known tbh why the stars are like that for spirits

But spirits cannot fly so we eliminate the reason that stars are for flying like with our skids

My perspective is that they denote age (granny spirit has four)

[stiff flint]

and megabird made sky kids to help bring light back into the world or something

[stiff flint]

what granny spirit 😳 sorry season of performance was my first one

[primal vale]

If there was no light left, then it would be complete darkness in pirarie. Maybe the elders faked the quest, but why?

[stiff flint]

some places are still dark tho like wasteland

[tranquil harbor]

There seems to be a difference between the light the sky kids use and stuff like sunlight.

[primal vale]

Yeah, maybe as we venture through, the land gets more dark. (Vault of knowledge isint dark cus it’s indoors I think? Also there’s so many light in it that it can’t go dark.)

[stiff flint]

off topic but i like to imagine that skykids are hard as stone

[tranquil harbor]

In concept art stuff the light was connected to stuff like 'personal connection and positive emotions' so I wouldn't be surprised if the light the sky kids use is still light in a more metaphorical way rather than completely literal.
(Though take this with a grain of salt because, like, concept stuff is dubious)

[primal vale]

I mean, how did they survive that fall in wasteland 😂

[stiff flint]

their lit tap-taps when they run sound like stone hitting something

[primal vale]

True, I think that the light they give to the elderly is different than the normal light.

[stiff flint]

my skid stuck headfirst in the sand once

[tranquil harbor]

Sand is just warm snow, clearly

[torn eagle]

Theres actually no evidence that the spirits went to eden to save someone

[primal vale]

Probably, they might not be dead in the first place, or we might have birthed too late that they died of old age

[stiff flint]

i have some screenshots of that

[torn eagle]

Its speculated that they died because of eden explosion

[primal vale]

Might be

It seems that the wl of their capes resemble their life at the time. I think that the explosion wasn’t that powerful, but was enough to kill them and alarm the elders to create us.

I think that the elders are the spirits family? (Reasoning they wanted revenge to Eden) of course they don’t want their family to die

[subtle pond]

The ||grandma from the forest has around 4-5 from what I saw last time||

[tranquil harbor]

I think the stars on capes thing might be a glitch of some sort. In official art they lack stars, while sky kids do not.

[primal vale]

Hi, I know you think my showers are long as hell 😅

Anyways
I don’t think that the child in the pity room is winged light.
Sure, you can merge with it, but look at the difference with it and the wl

(I’m not saying it can’t be winged light, I think it’s extinguished but I don’t think so.)

Differences of winged light:
A bit more transparent
More yellow
Puts out particles

[tranquil harbor]

Alasdair has a theory about it being a winged light given to us by other sky kids.
Personally I think it's something else though.

[primal vale]

Differences of the child in the pity room:
More white
Fully opaque
Fully solid

[tranquil harbor]

That's not the pity room

[primal vale]

Sorry I like to call it that 😅

[primal vale]

I don’t think wl is given by other sky kids, if it were
I think we would be the only child in the game (reasoning that the other skids would die without light)

Also another thing that might be Important,
I wonder if we were born without a cape, but get extinguished by a krill, polluted water, etc.
and turn capeless, we would die? If we were born capeless, that would mean we would die already, (because if you’re capeless by being extinguished you die either way)

[tranquil harbor]

Alasdair's theory runs on the fact that we go to Eden to save other children, then get stuck. Thus, other kids come and save us in turn. It's pretty sound

[lofty totem]

Well we are born without a cape we get a cape when we get one wing light

[primal vale]

Here’s a thought of mine, read the one I’m replying to

[frigid tinsel]

It might be a bug. It showed up in the Performance update with no mention in the patch notes. The devs seem to have been working on the appearance of cape wedges given the patch notes said they fixed a bug considering the floating ones (which they didn’t actually fix btw). Caped spirits with them may have been an unintended consequence of the devs messing around.

Before, spirits with capes had no stars and even now in official art are depicted without them.

[tranquil harbor]

Devs: Finally, we've fixed -bug-!
The bug:

[frigid tinsel]

Devs: we fixed the holes in Sanctuary.
Hole in Valley:

[tranquil harbor]

Where is that?

[frigid tinsel]

Just behind the spirit gate that leads down toVillage of Dreams from Valley social space

[primal vale]

Btw I think that the ancestors are alive, but cursed by Eden to remain like this

[frigid tinsel]

Except skykids do die without light. That’s the point — skykids sacrifice their own light to save petrified skykids. When they run out, they die.

Skykids seem to function as long as they have light. While their flame acts as a constant source of light for them, when extinguished, the next thing they run on is winged light. Once out of winged light, they die.

And we are born capeless, but we still still have our flame keeping us alive.

[frigid tinsel]

Actually getting me to talk about something I’ve been thinking about.

I believe the futility we face in Eden is one of skykids' own making. Whatever skykids were originally supposed to do in Eden is up to debate, yet they aren't strong enough to make it far without dying. Skykids could just buff themselves up... and charge on past their fellow peers' corpses to get to the center, but they have such a love for each other that they can't help but give up their own light to save their petrified friends, weakening themselves so they will ultimately succumb to the darkness... This leaves more bodies for other skykids to save, weakening themselves in turn, dying, and sustaining the cycle.
Though I say light, we do mean winged light. As for why specifically winged light is used to save petrified skykids is perhaps the same reason why moths receiving their first winged light in Isle gain a cape — to fly, to get out. Moths in Isle are in a pit they can’t jump or climb out of. Likewise, entering limbo depicts us falling before hitting some floor. To get out of both, we receive light and gain our capes, flying up and out.

Limbo is a pit. Perhaps that’s what it looks like when totally surrounded by darkness. Perhaps we don’t have to die to get there — in the final Abyss quest, when swallowed by the leviathan, we enter a place closely resembling limbo. Without light, sure, but not extinguished. The Cackling Cannoneer and spirit manta, as swallowed by the dark leviathan, are there. Petrified skykids are encased in darkness what with all the darkness flakes clinging to us and now the crystals that grow off our extinguished forms.

How do we get out? Moths in Isle don’t immediately gain their cape upon receiving their first winged light — rather the player has to prompt the leveling up sequence. Likewise, embracing the white skid in limbo is another form of acceptance. Sky is big on boundaries and autonomy. We have to accept friend interactions, give consent, accept revival

tl;dr — I think the white skid we embrace after dying in Eden is winged light because symbolism

[midnight sonnet]

There’s a new mural folks

It’s in Eden

[modern cloud]

Ohh yeah I saw that today. The diamond drawn there is maybe/probably the same as the red diamond. Maybe it went out of control or something?

[midnight sonnet]

It looks like the vault temple tho

[modern cloud]

OH I didn't notice that!

[midnight sonnet]

Like the elder statues

And then the king I assume in the center lifting the Diamond up whilst the ancestors bow down to them for their contribution

Or their praying

[frigid tinsel]

You also see the ring of Elder altars when ascending Eden

[sharp lichen]

DID I MISS PROPHECY AGAIN?

[midnight sonnet]

Yeah

[midnight sonnet]

But yes

Mhmmm Eden

[queen pike]

yeah, but sand is ground-up rocks and snow is cold water

[tranquil harbor]

It was a joke about sand safely cushioning the skids fall in wasteland

[keen shore]

I also have a suspicion that the kid we hug in limbo isn’t a WL, but I have nothing to prove it with. They just look different and it feels different… I’m not sure. Plus if it was just a WL, why don’t we just do the normal accepting animation??

[mystic cosmos]

I always thought it was like we were meeting a part of ourselves again. We are an empty vessel, battered and bruised by the storm. Our life has been quite literally knocked out of us. In the end we discover the missing piece again. We hug each other and join each other again.

Wait.. are you talking about what I think you are talking about?!

I haven’t been to Eden since the new update so I might not know what is going on. 😅

[frigid tinsel]

Limbo hasn’t changed

[mystic cosmos]

Oh okay welp sorry 😂

[frigid tinsel]

Worth noting that the white skid is always the same height as you. This is most obvious when you go to limbo as a chibi, the white skid is also a chibi

[keen shore]

It’s weird because I want to to say that we are the same person, but I’m not sure entirely how tha5works… I feel like it’s close to what acadia said but it goes deeper than that? I am not sure. I want more f evidence for this

My thoughts are all messy atm Sorry

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve been going by that since winged light seems to intricately tied to skykids somehow, the winged light given to us while petrified conforms to us — its ours now — hence the same height as us. But tbh idk

[eternal totem]

I tried using a height/scale potion at that moment, the height/scale changed alongside the spell

Mayyybe I got a video? You can’t try it anymore due to recent changes methinks

[proud fable]

Hey lore chat I am trying to make a project and parallelise the story of eden to other existing myths of our world of people trying to reach the sky. Like show how this attempt and need of people to reach the divine and gain more and more power in their hands (same way the king wanted power and might as well have envied to become or come close to the elder bird ). I really feel that the story of human prosperity till the fall after failed attempts to do something over their capacities is exciting and that it is no random for it to be narrated by numerous cultures and a game like sky and journey. . If anyone is willing to help me with my research and work on this it would be highly appreciated. I just want more points of views on the story and have fun with cooperation (well the more the merrier). I am planning to make content out of it so anyone who could help me will get evident credit on it :P.
also idk if it is right to post this here but if not I will make sure to delete it

I krilled the chat

[mystic cosmos]

That sounds so fun! I’m not sure if I would be much help but I would love to see the progress!

[proud fable]

Sure I can begin dming you some of the progress as soon as my head can find more and the final result too :)

[torn eagle]

Wait my brain is fried if I understand this right youre trying to parallel things in sky with real world myths/stories/legends? Specifically attempts of men to be closer to the divine?

[mystic cosmos]

Aww thanks!

[proud fable]

yep :P

[mystic cosmos]

Actually a few examples come to mind. There is a Native American story of the sky world/(is it called turtle island?) I might be wrong about that. And there is also the story of the Tower of Babel from the Bible where people are trying to reach heaven ( kinda like the sky)

[proud fable]

Thanks so much :) Greatly appreciated

[lean kayak]

Omg i love that

[torn eagle]

.. did... Did you just reply to a message thats 2 days old? (Its been 2 days in my timzone)

If so... Mad respect

[lean kayak]

XD i usually dont read a lot but yes i read that message just now actually

[crude karma]

Hi

[orchid jolt]

Glad we have the impaled with shards of rock back from the times of light awaits

Also, rock rain destroys props, the props leave behind dark dust (only tested with Christmas table btw). Are props made of darkness?

[rigid mural]

it's like with demons that leave dust behind when killed

[frigid tinsel]

Perhaps that’s the darkness flakes stuck in the shape of the prop after sucking out its light, like a husk

[queen pike]

ah- i see... brain's filled with too many fun facts :I

[tranquil harbor]

It happens

[queen pike]

they do look similar tho

[stark bough]

Like this? https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/world-turtle-cosmic-discworld

[proud fable]

yesss! I also found another one on wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_Island_(Native_American_folklore)

taken by the link above:

"the earth was the thought of [a ruler] of a great island which floats in space [and] is a place of eternal peace."[5][2] Sky Woman fell down to the earth when it was covered with water, or more specifically, when there was a "great cloud sea".[1] Various animals tried to swim to the bottom of the ocean to bring back dirt to create land. Muskrat succeeded in gathering dirt,[1] which was placed on the back of a turtle. This dirt began to multiply and also caused the turtle to grow bigger. The turtle continued to grow bigger and bigger and the dirt continued to multiply until it became a huge expanse of land.[1][6][7] Thus, when Iroquois cultures refer to the earth, they often call it Turtle Island.[7]

According to Converse and Parker, the Iroquois faith shared with other religions the "belief that the earth is supported by a gigantic turtle."[1] In the Seneca language, the mythical turtle is called Hah-nu-nah,[1] while the name for an everyday turtle is ha-no-wa.[8]

In other versions of the story, such as Susan M. Hills's, the muskrat or other animals die in their search for land for the Sky Woman (named Mature Flower in Hills's telling).

There are lots of elements close to sky on this:

• The "godess" falls from the sky to a sea of clouds / the intro where the stars fell

-People trying to find the sky woman eventually die / the people who build eden to get close to the divine (megabird) also die at the end

-Mud multiplying - like making more land, rising a mountain because after all islands are underwater mountains. Mountain = eden = the attempt of people to raise themselves closer to godhood

krilled the chat twice

Where is chesca with the krilled the chat episodes

[rigid mural]

chat's not always active, some people left for the holidays and others are busy

[frigid tinsel]

Also Chesca’s account was hacked

[proud fable]

ik I am saying it just for the fun of it i didnt have any intention to sound mean

[light prawn]

Am I the only one who noticed that if you call while on top of a jelly it calls back the same amount of times as you???

[frigid tinsel]

Btw there’s hundreds of American Indian tribes and even among tribes there will be various versions of the same creation stories. There isn’t an objective concrete version.

[proud fable]

obviously. Just used this one because it was the one i found first and was closer to sky lore

[rigid mural]

The Little Prince says they sing :] it's so cute

[frigid tinsel]

Also before anyone bites me, most indigenous Americans prefer American Indian when referring to the population collectively, hence why I use it. If you are referring to a specific tribe, use that tribe’s name.

Likewise there is no “Native American” myths. There are Inuit stories stories and Anishinaabe stories and Hopi stories and Sioux stories and so on

[autumn notch]

Hello lore discussion beloveds how we feelin about the upcoming season?

Were there any running theories on it after we got the tease for the suns setting/position changing in the Prairie? I miss them and wish to hear them again

[tranquil harbor]

Talking about the new season is hard. Patch notes gave us some leeway but still

[autumn notch]

Yeah that’s fair. I’m just bouncing off the walls over the suns setting. TGC how will you make my heart wrench today

[tranquil harbor]

Is it really the sunset or is it caused by the storm

[floral grove]

Eden?

[tranquil harbor]

Prairie I think

[floral grove]

Oh sorry I didn't read the message before this lol

I don't think there's anything significant with the sun's position changing in Sky. It has happened before i Sanctuary and Village of Dreams earlier this year but they returned to their proper places after a while

[tranquil harbor]

Village of Dreams changes? When?

[floral grove]

Hold on lemme find my old screenshots

The white cape one is from October while the red cape one is from earlier this year

I was really surprised by how off Village looked because I wasn't aware that the sun had been moved

[nimble ingot]

It may be more the case that the props being destroyed disappear and leaves behind a layer of darkness that covered the prop.

[frigid tinsel]

Abyss update messed with lighting so maybe that’s it

[mystic cosmos]

Kinda, this one seems more similar to the story I heard ( https://www.firstpeople.us/FP-Html-Legends/TheCreationStory-Iroquois.html) : )

[mystic cosmos]

Pfft never mind I just read your other messages and yeah that seems about the same

[sharp lichen]

Hello Blackberry King!

[potent sedge]

I swear i think either the king isn't dead or you are the prince/princess/descendant of the king

Or maybe you are a reincarnation of the king because you also finish the trials like he did

I honestly just want this man in-game LUL

[rapid arrow]

I have the theory that we are like the king but not. That the WL we collect is the essence of the king, so often times as we collect the WL more and more of the memories of the king flood in and we become sorta like the king, but in a way that we are trying to fix their mistakes.

[keen shore]

I want to explain my take on it but it doesn’t make sense to even me. I think it’s closest to Aether’s in canon

[mossy brook]

I don’t think we’re related to the king at all. The king/prince exists alongside the ancestors, so they were totally alive when the dead people were alive. I think it’s already confirmed we’re related/made from megabird, and that’s especially long after all the ancestors died

[sharp lichen]

Do we even know that the King finished the trials? I’ve theorized that it’s us, the Skykids, who are mentioned in the Prophecy

[keen shore]

I disagree, mostly because of the friend constellation thats just their face. I mean, what else is that supposed to imply?
also if they count as similar to the elders, them being dead/existing a long time ago doesn’t really matter

[eternal totem]

Everything & nothing comes from Mega Bird, I don’t think that disapproves anything (?)

[wheat cypress]

Perhaps the king on the friend constellation is like, the king used to be in charge of Eden, but now we are

We've taking his place of authority or at least the responsibility of his legacy to some extent

[rigid mural]

interrupting for a sec, the fact they look like they are praying (like some of the poses Shushing Light Scholar does in their own memory) is pretty interesting to me, maybe lightseekers are some kind of magician or clerics (the dnd classes)

[eternal totem]

To me the Lightseekers have a deeper connection to Light than the average Light farmer, so definitely

[keen shore]

my guess for that was that they’re trying to search the shipwreck for survivors and are praying thst everyone’s ok

[rigid mural]

I hope that guy is ok :(

[keen shore]

They’re ok, they just died

[eternal totem]

Everyone’s saying they’re dead, lol

[rigid mural]

truly we're in one of alasdair's fics

[frigid tinsel]

Yea that’s a corpse

[keen shore]

I don’t think they have a head, so the dead part is pretty likely

[eternal totem]

They’re partially OOB, but the head looks deformed

[rigid mural]

i think raider chibi fell below the sand and they have a head but the model is horribly mangled

[keen shore]

thank you for the ID, mr corpse connoisseur

[frigid tinsel]

Wonder if that was someone CW recognized

[keen shore]

ok the head being deformed is terrifying, how did that happen
also, is the implication supposed to be that that is saluting captain

[rigid mural]

king tried to swim to the shore but got dark water poisoning

[eternal totem]

I just remembered this old video I posted of them (ignore the pronouns in the old post)

[frigid tinsel]

Maybe got banged up by a krill

[frigid tinsel]

This is the exact opposite of the spirits that turn to look at you

[eternal totem]

I think this because of the feature where you wave at spirits you’ve already relived? You can’t do that anymore

[keen shore]

mood

[rigid mural]

this bug is hilarious and i hope it never gets fixed

[frigid tinsel]

Wave at spirits already relived? That was a thing?

[rigid mural]

nothing beats exclaiming "LOOKING AT ME,,," when it occurs

[keen shore]

I REMEMBER THAT HAOPENING WITH SIGHTSEERS KID

[frigid tinsel]

This is what I was talking about

[eternal totem]

Yes, instead of copying the emote/call/stance, you wave goodbye
Before you wave they’re in the pose of the last memory, which results in them spin weeeeeeee

[keen shore]

it was so intimidating

[frigid tinsel]

It freaked me out

[keen shore]

WIWUFIAIFJDFB JUMPSCARE

[eternal totem]

Methinks that was taken before all TS were available for all

[sharp lichen]

The “we are part of the King/reincarnations of the King” theory is really good and has lots of evidence, I just don’t believe it in my stubbornness

[frigid tinsel]

really good and has lots of evidence
Proof?

[keen shore]

I want them to still be around so I can give them a hug

[eternal totem]

A lot of theories have convincing evidence, I just love to be different & special

[sharp lichen]

Yes, this is proof that I’m insane

[eternal totem]

Just making sure I don’t fit in………

[frigid tinsel]

Btw this happened with Performance guide too

[keen shore]

The friend constellation being their face, how similar we both look, & the thing I talked about in the other server off the top of my head (there might be more though)

[eternal totem]

Have you ever seen a guide stare down at you?

[frigid tinsel]

No, they usually don’t acknowledge you unless you select their interactions

[keen shore]

they should have made performance guide turn their head all the way around like an owl

[eternal totem]

I mean, really stare down at you

[sharp lichen]

Season of Performance but good

[frigid tinsel]

Baud I will bite

[rigid mural]

Season of Performance is by far one of the best seasons imo

[eternal totem]

No competition

[keen shore]

Performance is weird for me because I love the story and characters, but all the quests give me horrible social anxiety, so it’s a struggle to figure out where to put it

It’s weird, because from an outside standpoint the quests are really cute!! Especially the fourth!! But I am panicking!!

[rigid mural]

I think the spirits would understand, especially Modest Dancer

[frigid tinsel]

Dancer: mood

[keen shore]

this game is so nice but it is not good for my social anxiety

[rigid mural]

i thought performance guide was gonna be just another pretty spirit that will be near emotionless but I instantly melted seeing them hype us up while doing the first quest

[keen shore]

Oh god yeah and all the high fives and hugs they give you…

[frigid tinsel]

Performance guide seemed daunting appearance wise but they have such a bubbly personality and they’re so

[rigid mural]

i think performance guide would obnoxiously cheer at a single skykid playing sheet 2 or 3 on stage

[sharp lichen]

I WAS JOKING. I love performance

[frigid tinsel]

Me too

[rigid mural]

thankfully you cant bite people over the internet. yet.

[sharp lichen]

It’s 9/10 for location, 8/10 for gameplay, and 7/10 for story/lore

[keen shore]

the double edged curse of wanting more spirit interaction but being really shy and panicky when it actually happens, bc forest creature brain cannot distinguish between real and fake people

[frigid tinsel]

Can’t remember who had the headcanon that Performance guide stands in the audience all the time so no skykid on stage performs for an empty crowd but that one hits me in the heart

[rigid mural]

me

[frigid tinsel]

Bless

[rigid mural]

huge vela W moment

[sharp lichen]

My third favorite season overall. It’s really good but Prophecy and Prince are peak. Funny how all the amazing Sky seasons start with P

[keen shore]

what is a vela L moment? not liking cucumber sandwiches?

[rigid mural]

salem

[sharp lichen]

That, my friend, is a Salem L moment

[eternal totem]

Wow crazy I love Penchantment

[frigid tinsel]

When I have to say “Go eat, don’t be like SLS”

[rigid mural]

i am going to scream, i give so much to lore chat and you guys repay me with this slander /j

[keen shore]

Enchantment is such an underrated season!! I always liked it bc of the magic stuff and bc it was one of my moth seasons, but then I started looking deeper at the emotional stuff and now I am too attached. I do wish the angst had been better portrayed through the season but still,

[sharp lichen]

Enchantment has amazing lore but I still think spirit personalities have developed so much recently that it’s somewhat beat by the newer seasons

[rigid mural]

enchantment is good bc scarecrow farmer is in there and that's where the soup is stored

[eternal totem]

All valid opinions

[frigid tinsel]

Sky won’t give us proper angst in game so we gotta make it ourselves

[rigid mural]

alasdair

[frigid tinsel]

Yes, I’m a writer

[eternal totem]

Oh definitely, especially in Performance & TLP

[sharp lichen]

Sky writers make up for the Sky devs not having enough angst in their game

[rigid mural]

don't worry, shush dies in their fic

[frigid tinsel]

It’s true

[spice musk]

finale ream related!! holy moly first time i noticed this!! :OOO idk if it's been shared here yet but sharing now

[tranquil harbor]

Ok but are they going to take this chance to plug their- there he goes

[raw crypt]

so true and real and factual and

[rigid mural]

omg slink hiii

[sharp lichen]

Every season Assembly and after does this excellently:

Assembly has more spirits showing up in each other’s memories, and there’s more personality in the emotes.

TLP has dialogue with their spirits, and although it would be jarring with any other Sky season, it works quite well here.

In Flight, the spirit’s personality is no longer really determined by their emote. They form a bit more complex personalities.

Abyss and Performance are really good in this regard, since the spirits actually participate in the seasonal quests

[eternal totem]

I think it’s underrated from the angst/personification side, it’s actually a lot more popular than one would realize. There’s a lot of potential lying here but I don’t see it being brought to its full potential that often

[frigid tinsel]

Sky has two sides of being depressing if you think about the lore too much then wholesome if you do play it as intended. Both themes can coexist

[eternal totem]

good soup

[rigid mural]

sky can be wholesome if you notice the spirits all love you very much, i think it's extremely important /hj

[frigid tinsel]

It’s 4000+ words and not 30% done, help

[eternal totem]

Mama MIA

[rigid mural]

IT'S REALLY GOOD TOO

[tranquil harbor]

Alasdair is an amazing writer

[frigid tinsel]

Me two weeks ago: this will be a short one shot
Me now: why do I do this to myself

[raw crypt]

also very true and important and factual

also DAMNNNN, madlad

[tranquil harbor]

Never say something will be short. It'll multiply like a hoard of rabbits. It's like the writing version of 'this could not be worse'

[eternal totem]

I can’t write long, long text walls since I get lost in thought & it just goes all over the place, I really like your writing from whatever snippets you post

[rigid mural]

dair and i infecting eachother

[frigid tinsel]

Vela did this to me, yea

[tranquil harbor]

Passing the braincell

[rigid mural]

ALASDAIR CAN YOU REMIND ME WHO WROTE THE HEARTBREAKING CRAB WHISPERER FICS THAT MADE ME ILLUSTRATE STUFF

[frigid tinsel]

Yknow how excited I was to see CW was today’s daily task? Enough to get me out of bed before 11am

[eternal totem]

Honestly I’m glad you’re giving Lightseekers the love it deserves, it wasn’t so popular & it was sort of a meme to dunk on it during its run (I used to, but I’m a changed man…)

[rigid mural]

YEAH ME TOO IDK HOW IDK WHY BUT THEY MAKE ME HAPPY WHEN THEY SHOW UP IN QUESTS

[frigid tinsel]

Yes, I’m the writer

[tranquil harbor]

Did Crab Whisperer's memory change btw? I feel like it was missing steps

[eternal totem]

Nooooope I don’t think so

[frigid tinsel]

I actually haven’t done dailies today

[tranquil harbor]

When we go to the back of the ship with the pillars, I could of sworn we had to jump around the pillars at least twice, but Crab Whisperer only made me do it once...

[rigid mural]

i think they are the same, still a creature

[frigid tinsel]

Have a lil silly dialogue.
(Fritjof is Commodore)

[frigid tinsel]

Looking for survivors

[eternal totem]

Yeah just checked some old footage, still the same

[tranquil harbor]

You only had to go to the back of the ship once and they immediately went for the front? I could have sworn they made you climb a pillar

[eternal totem]

Maybe your route was different? Some people climb those pillars twice to avoid being crabbed

[rigid mural]

crab whisperer loving flower gifts and board games is adorable imo, sounds like life in the wasteland makes you miss simple things

[eternal totem]

But all memory points are the same

[true dew]

Please feed us with more angst

[frigid tinsel]

Since you asked nicely

[keen shore]

EATING THIS AND RUNNING AWAY WITH IT

[uncut pond]

This is amazing
Alasdair is there anywhere you publish your fics or anything because this stuff is great

[true dew]

Mhm mhm, I would really love to read the full fic as well

[frigid tinsel]

It’s not done but it’ll be in AO3 when it is.

[true dew]

Do tell us when it's done so we can fully appreciate it

[frigid tinsel]

Y’all

[keen shore]

I can also back everyone up on the fic beig really good <3<33 ty for psorasisting it a lot here too!!! I really enjoy reading snippets of it again!!

[rigid mural]

psorasisting

[keen shore]

oh god autocorrect absolutely gutted me there huh

[rigid mural]

it's ok i love that psorntoo

[primal vale]

Am I missing smthn-

[keen shore]

don’t worry about it, my name is simply being slandered

[frigid tinsel]

Context

[tranquil harbor]

Words and Typing seem to be out to get Salem, resulting in frequent typos. Their friends like to tease them about it.

[keen shore]

photo snopped

[torn eagle]

How is that an auto corrected word--

[frigid tinsel]

photo snopped

[keen shore]

^ he edited my message to make me look bad

[frigid tinsel]

If that’s what I think it is, then that was only surfaced from data mining. Content acquired by hacking is not allowed to be discusssed as per server rules

[primal vale]

Okay but i don’t think this is what the channel is for. I’m sorry if this came out rude but have a nice day

[pastel brook]

[keen shore]

we can joke around when we want to, don’t be rude

[tranquil harbor]

The people in lorechat aren't robots. Expecting them to stay on topic 100% of the time is an effort in futility.
Plus, it's entirely possible to joke around and be on topic

[keen shore]

people who come into this channel and are shocked when we mess with each other and get off topic sometimes make me giggle, it’s like 30% of our activities at least

[frigid tinsel]

Sometimes the lore runs dry. If this channel was utterly serious 24/7, it’d be stressful. But feel free to suggest a topic and see if it catches on, we’re willing to do that

[primal vale]

Oh, alright then sorry

[keen shore]

Generally my attitude is that off topic jokes are fine, but if someone wants to come in here and talk about something specific, they are free to change the topic during that time & it will probably happen. The channel is slow right now anyways

[rapid arrow]

Lore chat has two moods

1. Serious lore chat. And deep discussions
2. Utter chaos

[keen shore]

sometimes they bleed into each other

[tranquil harbor]

At the end of the day lorechat is about having fun ❤️

[frigid tinsel]

cough God discussions cough

[primal vale]

Now I feel like begging on the floor for forgiveness with candles in hand I feel bad for saying something wrong

[keen shore]

Why?

[primal vale]

Oh and I wonder if winged light is the child we see in the cutscene before we enter orbit (just extinguished)

[rapid arrow]

The child is us I believe?

[primal vale]

You mean the white one?

[frigid tinsel]

Nobody knows! nobody knows who that white skid is, ahhh

[primal vale]

Hmm

[tranquil harbor]

No one knows anything in sky

[keen shore]

Limbo is hard for a lot of us to figure out, so most of us have different takes on it that we can’t prove or disprove either way. To me at least, the child seems to be a different side/part of us (if that makes sense)? that we have to rejoin with. It might be our soul, for example.

But some view it as a WL. Like how when we have to return WL to the fallen, limbo is a representation of what they see when that happens

Wait. I just realized something how did I not think of this before

[primal vale]

I don’t think it’s possible for them to be the same.

Differences of winged light:
More yelllow
A bit transparent
Glows
We can walk through it

Differences of the white child we see before orbit:
Fully solid
Fully white
Can be seen moving

The only same thing I see about them is that they can be absorbed.

[keen shore]

so you know how the intro talks about how elders’ jobs is to send people back to the stars? And how they do that for spirits when we bring them to the temple? What if it’s like that, but for us?

The limbo room does seem a lot like the spaces we see in elder cutscenes, in terms of color palette and emptiness.

[sharp lichen]

That’s true. I personally believe that the glowing light is a representation of our soul. With our physical body so completely destroyed in Eden, maybe we return to the black room, our spiritual body, and get helped by our inner light.

[frigid tinsel]

It’s posible winged light looks and acts different from within a skykid then how it usually does externally

[rapid arrow]

Especially in such a dark place it could’ve like hardened? (Excuse if that made no sense words are jumbled)

[primal vale]

Guys I did a bit of research. Maybe the child we see was trapped by Eden?

Hmm..

[keen shore]

personally I don’t believe they’re a WL just because of how different it looks, especially because merging with them gives us 6 wings instead of just one. I guess it’s possible, but given how much differently they look and behave, I don’t think it’s true in canon

[sharp lichen]

[frigid tinsel]

You only get as much wings after merging as you do wing buffs. I noticed this when I started getting 6+ wedges at rebirth

[primal vale]

Yup

[primal vale]

But I think this has do do something with the lore? But I’m not really sure. It says on the contrary so I don’t think it means this.

[frigid tinsel]

Colors can have a billion different meanings inter- and intraculturally

[keen shore]

Wait really? I was sure that I’ve always gotten 6 exactly, I’ve never gotten any more/less from what I remember. Huh.

[pulsar dragon]

psst the old huggy boy in eden used to glow more

[keen shore]

I’m not sure the exact picture you mean, but if you look through pins there’s an Imgur Album of concept art. It’s probably there!

[pulsar dragon]

my opinion is the huggy boi is us. like our soul

[frigid tinsel]

Oh right I forgot about that

[pulsar dragon]

its our hope

[frigid tinsel]

It does glow blue like a soul sparkles do. Also when collecting winged light, they morph into with a blue flame in the center

[keen shore]

It’s weird because I think it’s us but it’s also more than us if that makes sense. I don’t know, I am tired

[primal vale]

Ok I had an idea and I have something that might be of use.

[frigid tinsel]

There’s a 40 second slowmo here, spill the tea

[primal vale]

I think there used to be krills in forest? That might be why there’s spirits that died in forest. There’s no proof that they got hit though..

There’s no proof that spirits can be dead too, I think. Wait, hold on.

[frigid tinsel]

Spirits are the ghosts of dead people. Also Fainting Warrior, Tearful Light Miner, and Crab Whisperer’s spirit memories show that ancestors could and did die

[keen shore]

That skeleton is most likely a whale! this guys. The skull and horns are much more similar.

In terms of krill in forest, it’s possible, but a million other things could’ve killed the spirits there - the darkness pollution in the rain for example.

[keen shore]

Have you ever seen the switch trailer? It shows how the spirits looked when they were alive, they actually really resemble us! I like it a lot,

[primal vale]

True! And if they have only one cape on there back, they might have extinguished I think

[keen shore]

Spirits having stars in their cape is weird, because it was never announced in the patch notes & it varies wildly, so it seems like it might a bug and their capes are for decoration more than anything? But it’s never been announced as a bug… it kind of just appeared one day without any explanation.

[rapid arrow]

Just like the statue in the prairie it just appeared

[primal vale]

That narrows it down a bit, but I think I remember seeing a white child in one of the memories

[rapid arrow]

That was in ushering stargazers! I believe it was the king who then went to go through the trials, as shown in the murals

[keen shore]

YEAH, they’re one of my personal contenders for “people probably linked to the child we hug in limbo” because they look almost identical

[primal vale]

Yeah! But i think I remember in the cutscene, we see the child falling as a star? Just like us when we rebirth or got birthed? Maybe there the same as us?

[rapid arrow]

There’s a lot of theories that the king is us in a way, sometimes the king is also expressed as the protoskykid. Or that we are the king

[primal vale]

Hold on, I’m going to revisit just in case we got on the wrong one

[primal vale]

Personally, I don’t think there’s a king in sky. If we were the king, I don’t think we would be birthed by the elders. I think the king is Eden if there was?

[frigid tinsel]

Birthed by the Elders?

[sharp lichen]

I’ve heard that the “King isn’t around to be saved anymore” by the devs, so I’m not sure if the golden figure is the King. I believe the King is the Eden Elder and was destroyed

[frigid tinsel]

Supposedly the devs have said that there is a king in game who’s significant to the world’s story but “not in the way you may think.” So

[rapid arrow]

That’s why I think that the WL might be the essence of the king

[primal vale]

I think from the first cutscene we were created by the elders with the power to fly? Sorry I like to call it birthed

[frigid tinsel]

It is also debatable how much Zhao’s concepts of the king remain canon in game

[whole arch]

Okay, so what is the deal with skykids and water? I went diving in the treehouse area and made a few discoveries:

Diving can protect you from rain, but passive recovery doesn't work underwater.
Oxygen masks from Season of Abyss depend on your flame to work, if the rain puts you out your mask quits working.
Drowning damage is tracked separately from rain damage, you can't see the amount of underwater health you have left if your star already took damage from rain.

The fact you can lose light from rain but go diving in the exact same weather to protect yourself doesn't make much sense.

[regal forge]

Hey has anyone considered that mural in the music hall looks like a journey character?

[whole arch]

The whole world looks like Journey. Magical cloaked protagonist falling from the sky, perpetually-stormy mountain that leads the protagonist back to paradise, mysterious precursor civilization with advanced technology...

[sharp lichen]

I think it could be the temperature/speed of the rain?

[regal forge]

I see someone mentioning the spirits and their cape star
May I theorize?!
too late!

I think ancestors were able to collect winged light like us including the benefits like flying and collecting the light we do from candles.
But! There’s a very important difference. Ancestors did not have the durability we do nor can they relight after they lose it
In other words, most would choose not to collect any or would be very careful in the way they use it
Perhaps it’s how the lightseekers gathered the lights we see in the cave in isle or how enchantment got the different lights we see in the quests
Maybe even how the spirits like the yoga expression in prairie and the leap in valley manage to BE SO HIGH IN THE AIR IM JUST TRYING TO RELIVE YOUR MEMORY GET BACK DOWN HERE

[whole arch]

They had gondolas, in some memories you can see them in use.

On that note, I kinda wish we had more ways to get around without using all our cape energy to cross the map. The deer from the concept art or a controllable Felicitous Figure prop would be really useful... (As long as the dragon doesn't have full collision though, I wouldn't want trolls going around running people over...)

[torn eagle]

Lorewise I think its because the rain in forest is brought by the forest elders control over the element of water (prophecy mural)

The water in water trial instantly snuffs you out if youre not able to get to safety before it rises

On a different note, who do you all think discovered darkstone? The prince/king or the ancestors? In the concepts its stated its the king/prince but in prophecy murals it seems flying boats are already a thing?

In the switch trailer flying boats already exist when isle of dawn was still lush and green, but it seems that the king has already established his rule (stone posts with red banner fluttering in the wind exists, which I think is a signature of the kings rule.. can be found in valley, wasteland, and eden in game)

[lean marten]

im addition to this, we found detail of the stars falling when the prince became the king (reference to the prophecy mural)
We find it a bit contradictory that boats(darkstone tech) already exist before the king was crowned we were hoping for some insights

[primal vale]

I have a burning question that might be useful for lore: in the ushering stargazer memory, there was a white child (yes you probably know it already but bare with me) I’m wondering if that’s the white child that just escaped from Eden, or was born at that time?

[whole arch]

There's this interesting area in the concept art where the skykid is traveling from a cityscape that looks nothing like the rest of the game to a more traditional Sky island, any idea what it was meant to be?

[primal vale]

I have some ideas

1: just a concept of what was denied form tgc

2: something that might be in the next season or special area

3: a spoiler for an update

4: some art

[whole arch]

If that city was meant to be more than a backdrop, it would be a great location for the secret TGC area's entrance.

[primal vale]

But I’m wondering, why the white character? I’m wondering if it’s winged light..

I think that the photo was from the past, that means winged light could move once

[sharp lichen]

I’ve thought it was one of the very first Skykids, considering they fell, like we did

[primal vale]

Might be, maybe the elders have limited power, and that was the first one they made (I think that’s the one they used with most of their power)

[sharp lichen]

I’ve thought the Skykids weren’t entirely made by the Elders: the Megabird could have played a role as well. Evidence for this is found at the second Performance quest.

[primal vale]

Ye- I really have no idea what mega bird is, can you tell me what mega bird is pls?

[sharp lichen]

They’re a cluster of light that has mysterious power. Some theories include:
-They’re a god
-They’re the ruler/creator of all Light.
-They used their power to give light to Skykids, turning them from empty husks to living creatures

[primal vale]

Interesting..

[sharp lichen]

Hello Dandykong!

[primal vale]

Now I wonder, if te elders helped at all? But I have very little proof this is the reason.

[sharp lichen]

There is some evidence, for example we treat them like parents

[sharp lichen]

You’ve been typing for quite a while

[whole arch]

In this concept art it shows skykids as a hybrid of "Connected" (shiny, winged light) and "Indifferent" (dark blue form we haven't seen yet). Completing Eden runs and trials temporarily turns the player shiny. For very brief moments when using up cape energy, the player's light turns ancestor blue. But we haven't seen the blue form yet.

And we collect both light and dark memories in Shattering...

The blue form may have just been what was once the extinguished form, considering most damage sources also turn skykids' light blue.

[sharp lichen]

Indifferent could be the “grayed out” Skykids that we have to light in the Sky game

Anyways good night

[tough coral]

Lorechat help because of the valley twins i keep accidentally almost sending the cricket bat emoji 🏏

[hushed steeple]

Seems new?

[wintry gate]

Hi lore world I've literally never been in thiz channel before But I waz kinda directed here to ask thiz
Why can skykidz swim if rain hurtz them ... iz it like lore related or iz the water different or am I just missing something? . I've been wondering thiz for a while actually I just forgot to ask

[high bison]

Short answer: it’s acid rain

Long answer: The forest was likely a spot for mining darkstone, which is what powers much of the ancestor’s technology, but it went wrong and is polluting the environment.
We see this pollution in the golden wasteland. The water there also drains light, like the rain.

The forest is in a much earlier stage of pollution, so the lakes and rivers aren’t toxic, but the rain is, because the pollution got into the atmosphere and the clouds.

[wintry gate]

That'z really kewl... but if the source of the pollution iz the forest, why iz it lezz polluted than the wasteland? It'z not like they're directly connected, either, because valley iz in between them

[primal vale]

Hmm.. to be honest the child in the pity room (when you die in Eden) looks kinda blue, or is it just me?

Okay don’t answer that-

[high bison]

I think the forest is where it was mined, wasteland and Eden is where it was processed

In time, the darkness spread from Eden to wasteland and to forest
It didn’t affect Valley much bc it’s high up

[primal vale]

Probably, we also see some pipes around Eden, maybe that’s where the dark stone is?

Oh, and by my memory, I think there were pipes that were broken at the end of Eden? Maybe that’s the flying rocks there

[nimble ingot]

Spring boarding off the theory, what if the realms are locked at certain times, where as when the skykid progresses through them, they can see time move. But if they were to stay in a certain place, time would not naturally progress.
While most events would still carry on while in these areas (moving creatures, rain falling, plants moving, candles burning out etc.), time would inevitably reset to an earlier state (a repaired bridge becomes broken once more, a door seal that was open before etc.).

This may explain how the forest rain is harmful, but not the water it lands in for some reason. Even while underwater, the rain would not affect you, although that may be a game mechanic that while underwater, you are technically not in the rain.

It is not like the realms are frozen in time per say, though they are set at certain times of the day. It may not mean the skykids are time travellers, or the spirits are locked at certain time periods of their respective realms. This is proven as spirits from different realms can make appearances in certain instances. This can be seen with the Flight season's final quest, as well as the first 4 seasons having spirits in every realm (Seasons of Gratitude, Lightseekers, Belonging, and Rhythm).

[nimble ingot]

Don't mind me, just gone fishing.
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🪝

[regal forge]

You will rue the day you tried fishing in my rivers

[nimble ingot]

Strange, there were a few bites earlier in the day. I wonder what scared off the fish?
🐠 🐠 🐠 🐠 🐠 🐠

[oblique oasis]

Rhythm?? What are you-

Can someone please bring me up to date on this-

[eternal totem]

On what? You mean the guide? The season?

[oblique oasis]

Why is rhythm there

[eternal totem]

Oh right, they are the twin of Performance guide

[oblique oasis]

Ohhhh

[eternal totem]

It was mentioned in Performance’s intro card that “they are the twin of a past guide”

[oblique oasis]

That makes sense lol
That's so cute

[eternal totem]

It was, the ending was so cute

[oblique oasis]

Stuff like this makes me want siblings

[eternal totem]

I’m sure somewhere off-screen they began a petty fight

[oblique oasis]

Haha

[proud fable]

no you dont want siblings 💀
stuff like this makes me wonder why i dont have so wholesome siblings lol

[eternal totem]

That’s what I’m saying

[proud fable]

amazing insert x is now cancelled Dark is my new best friend meme

[eternal totem]

Performance is energetic & bubbly while Rhythm’s lack of personality suggests they’re the complete opposite, an annoying sibling won’t last a second next to an easily irritated sibling

Y’know, sibling stuff like standing at their door for no reason, knocking something over then leaving

[cedar sun]

EDEN IS A VOLCANO?! SINCE WHEN???

[torn eagle]

Shhh its not released yet

And no its not a volcano

[eternal totem]

They might be referencing the patch notes

[torn eagle]

Ah-- tru

[rigid mural]

I have an idea where there used to be a lot of rivality between the performance and rhythm guides (the struggles of being recognized as a person outside being someone's twin), but as they aged and parted ways to pursue their own career paths to finally be acknowledged as their own talented individual, they became really close friends and like meeting up for brunch every so often

[eternal totem]

Yeah, although I personally think they used to perform together as a twin duo when they were younger

[rigid mural]

Oh you bet, maybe their parents or mentors made them do that because it'd be cute but they hated it.

[eternal totem]

Yeah!!!

[rigid mural]

They now use the sync training for mischief by confusing their audience (the rest of their troupes).

[torn eagle]

Maybe like dark said they used to perform together

But due to rivalry rhythm chose to organize his own troupe and travel while performance stayed in the village and continued to manage the local theater

And as u said they became really close (maybe through letters? I mean performance seemed ti be surprised that rhythm guide was there)

[rigid mural]

That was my headcanon lol, feel free to disregard !
I think that even if they were close, since Rhythm wasn't here from the start, it's still a surprise they are here during the last quest !

[eternal totem]

I have a lot of thoughts regarding their relationship but brain is not functioning rn

[rigid mural]

Also, it seems like it all happens in present days, perhaps Performance guide wasn't expecting Rhythm guide to also having been freed !

Last quest being out also means I will have to put my pen where my mouth is, ha

[eternal totem]

I’ve seen fanart of their elder bird form somewhere! Would love to see more takes on it

[rigid mural]

I don't go out of my way to look for Sky fanart because it's directly served to me by friends on other servers but I really should

[eternal totem]

I still think Performance would have thick eyebrows like this based on the mask, it just looks cute (& silly)

[rigid mural]

P
Penguin
Do you think these two would be eyebros

[eternal totem]

Yes

[rigid mural]

I wanna post the elder bird variants again, they are my favorite thing ever.

https://twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1524499034693586948?t=YTjOhkrBte3TUNs6MF584A&s=19

[eternal totem]

Rhythm has the same eyebrows but they trim them

[rigid mural]

They're the sibling that spent hours in the bathroom while Performance frustratedly knocked on the door.

[eternal totem]

Yeah! It’s really evident through the way they style their hair

[rigid mural]

Some penguins (such as razorbills) can fly, so penguin elder bird ?

Oops, apparently it's only a penguin in french, the english call these Auks !

[regal forge]

Hey does prophecy imply that one of the kids in those spirit memories is the prince/king or prophesied child?

[eternal totem]

The second one definitely looks more like Rhythm to me

[harsh pecan]

Probably

[hallow pond]

Hello, I'm quite curious about how the fireworks staff do the magic.

Someone wants to discuss it?👀

[keen shore]

These birds make me smile so much, especially because of how much they look like the rhythm masks!! As in, you can glance at them and go “yeah that’s [x] mask” it’s really sweet

[keen shore]

that explains why performance guide is both outside looking at the theater stage AND inside harmony hall simultaneously…. One of them is a fake

[sharp lichen]

My Prophecy alarm went off! Wait, what spirit memories? Which spirit are you referring to?

[torn eagle]

Probably ushering stargazer

[sharp lichen]

It could imply that yeah, but I imagined it to be a Sky child falling, instead of the King.

[torn eagle]

Theres a theory I saw here before that the firework staff that we have is a weakened version of the real firework staff, and the actual firework staff is both a melee and ranged weapon.. with melee being self explanatory while the ranged... I forgot what they said about the ranged part

But I added my own thought to that theory... The firework staff has a diamond shaped hole which seems to be a hole to insert a power diamond in, which assumingly would charge the ranged attack function of the staff amd either shoot out a beam or orbs of light

[mystic cosmos]

Or maybe it doesn’t really work without the power diamond so all it makes are sparks

[regal forge]

All the prophecy spirits. They each have a part where all four are together mentoring the ‘students’ or children going through the trials

[sharp lichen]

I think those are probably spirits from around the Kingdom (or just Isle) that failed the trials. I don't think the Chosen One could be an Ancestor, since the markings on an Ancestor's body in murals isn't present

[regal forge]

Fair enough. Would the king have come after those students then?
Someone who wasn’t even mentored or meant to be there but did the trials themselves anyway?
Maybe like one of storytellers stories where the child wandered into what seems to be the prophecy cave

[sharp lichen]

It could be us, the Skykids. The track that plays once we complete the four trials is called "Fulfillment', implying that we fulfilled the prophecy. Or, the King could just be a second wave of students or something like that

[regal forge]

Ooh. That’s interesting. I usually take the season quests as us doing them through someone else’s eyes
For example,
assembly we are going around to the other scouts and collecting things for the treehouse. I think guide did that but now we’re doing it through they’re eyes like how we relive spirit memories
Or with performance. I think we did much of what director would have. Comforted the cast, helped stall or direct practices (like how we unlock the directors chair!)
So prophecy was no different in the way I’ve viewed it as us doing the trials through the kings eyes. Seeing what they saw. We weren’t mentored or prepared we were just challenged.
Also backed up for me by the fact that there’s no way we’d ALL be future monarchs by completing the trials. They’re a prophecy.
It’s likely why when we fall or ‘die’ within the trials, we respawn. The king didn’t fail so if we’re watching they’re success, we won’t either.

THIS WAS SO MUCH LONGER THAN I MEANT IM SO SORRY

[sharp lichen]

I interpreted it as we aren't all future monarchs, but Skykids as a whole are the new rulers of Sky. And if we're talking about season lore, there are seasons such as Enchantment that show that it's actually us, the Skykuds, doing things in the present

[regal forge]

Does this imply enchantment spirits are very aware and conscious—
As in: they can interact with us in the present
I bet it’s just so they have to make us pay for the spells

[sharp lichen]

I think some spirits choose to interact with us in the present: The Guides, the Abyss spirits during the quests, and all the guests and performers in the Village Theatre

[rocky granite]

In the beginning of flight it said something about them having been waiting for someone and i feel like you kind of have to be conscious to be waiting and i feel like it could apply to other spirits

[regal forge]

Do you think they’re similar to how people view ghosts in the real world?
People who are unable to move on because of unfinished business or an in closed loop?
The guides are trying to reunite and complete their journey or right what went wrong or never finished?

[rocky granite]

Thats what ive always thought

[sharp lichen]

But the Guides are still there when the journey/issue is completed. Maybe they just want to stay there and admire the place, like the Assembly Guide?

[rocky granite]

I feel like theyre all stuck doing the last things they were doing and we get to go learn from them and when we buy the wing buff they get to move on a little more than before

[sharp lichen]

Do Guides have wing buffs?

[regal forge]

Maybe wanted to complete it for the other spirits instead of themselves?
Maybe they like being able to reflect on the moments in the season. A reminder that not everything went wrong during the eden storm or apocalypse. They’re stuck in a happy memory. Maybe they don’t want to move on

[rocky granite]

Idk i feel like we havent helped them personally and each mission was more for the spirits of the season and for us to help the guides friends but not themselves just thinking about enchantment in one of the pictures of them from tgc the guide is holding a white light we never found for them

[sharp lichen]

I think it depends for each guide. For example, the Dreams Guide's mission of helping the skater is already finished, so they only stay down here because they enjoy it. But the Abyss Guide still wants darkstone, so they stay there to find more

Oh and hello Sho!

[lean marten]

i actually think in terms of power/a source of power, its divided into darktech and archaic power of the flame, because in addition to what u said about it potentially holding a diamond, we also see in the isle elder’s cutscene that they used it to carry the flame which helped to restore their mask, make them able again, etc

[lean marten]

Henlo there lovely day to be in lore chat ^^

[sharp lichen]

Yes, it's quite a calmer place than the other channels, don't you think?

[torn eagle]

Do you think flying boats could be powered by archaic flame "arts"? Like what we see in the switch trailer?

[lean marten]

Quite so ^^ i’ve been quite inactive here for some time, tho i am gradually enjoying lore again

[torn eagle]

Until everyone starts theorizing---

[sharp lichen]

How long have you been in lorechat?

[lean marten]

hmm.. that would greatly depend because design wise, when something is flame powered ingame, it is usually evidently displayed, ex. the flame powered battery lamps in vault

[lean marten]

i’ve been in lorechat for a long time TvT ive been playing sky for 2 years going strong and ive forgotten at what point i got here

[sharp lichen]

Well, lorechat has changed a lot since you first came here. Anyways, do you have any theories to spill?

[lean marten]

fairly old and disproven as time passed TvT nothing of interest to modern day and details heavily forgotten

[sharp lichen]

Oh wow, so it's essentially a fresh new start in lorechat?

[regal forge]

Assembly guide stays to encourage skids to commit petty theft

[lean marten]

its more like, im an old hermit with faded memories of lore put in the modern era

[sharp lichen]

Maybe this can help you: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit#

[fallow dust]

as it's based on a book, are the events of the season of the little prince canon?

[lean marten]

Thank you ^^

[fallow dust]

oh, just gave the topic a search and it seems not, but the starlight desert itself may be?

[sharp lichen]

It's extremely debatable. Some say no because the Little Prince came from another world, some say yes because the Starlight Desert has a Wind Path. I recommend not bringing it up, as the mere mention of it can bring hours of debate

[fallow dust]

gotcha

[sharp lichen]

this is the equivalent to "mushrooms vs bats"

[keen shore]

Personally I think tlp could be canon in Sky due to magic shenanigans and in world stuff; I mean, if we fall from the sky, why can’t he?

[tranquil harbor]

Just because the little prince isn't canon doesn't mean the starlight desert isn't canon. (This is not me picking a side, but pointing out a thing)

[keen shore]

Counterpoint, they can both be canon if you’re not a coward

[tranquil harbor]

Also that

[sharp lichen]

Absolutely, why should people sunglasses this

[proud fable]

or used to guide light creatures aka isle elder

[torn eagle]

Well the firework staff is obtained through saluting captain found in wasteland

I wont deny that the staff guides light creatures.. but it seems unlikely that the firework staff is used for that purpose

Unless saluting captain does guide light creatures 🤔 ehhh

[tranquil harbor]

I think it's an ancestor flare gun, but our skids think it's a toy because their light essentially works as a super battery

[torn eagle]

Im going for the thought that events in tlpnare not canon persay but they reflect a lot regarding elders (except isle)

And maybe some events in extension

[proud fable]

it would not be that much of a surprise to me if in wasteland they used mantas and other light creatures as transport animals. Like i know that this already happened but I assume that in praire and the pre dark stone era there was some kind of wholesome cooperation between animals and ancestors like we feed them they help us. What if they were misused as "s
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v-
Ery" (the automod deleted my message due to the word so i messed it up)

and the rider used it to manuver the animal by moving it? same way you put the bait to fish

[rigid mural]

A better wording would be to say that the ancestors could have used that ancient bond to manipulate light creatures by luring them in places where their light would be extracted.
Unless you simply mean they could have become simple draft animals when they used to be much more to ancestors in the past.

[proud fable]

btw guys does anyone have a pic of the mural showing people praying to the falling stars?

nvm found it! Ty

[torn eagle]

Intro perhaps?

Sidebit: didnt ancestor use chines and bells to guide creatures?

[proud fable]

sure yes but isle elder seems to still be guiding creatures with a similar stick . Also we know that same things are attracted --> light to light so if firework stuff produce light it could attract creatures

[lyric isle]

elo lore people

[soft timber]

Isle elder uses his stick to shoot out bigger, more elaborate balls of light

[rigid mural]

the trans beam

[keen shore]

Isle elder uses their stick to manifest smaller sticks

[rigid mural]

these sticks can also manifest smaller sticks

[rapid arrow]

Can the smaller sticks manifest tinier sticks?

[keen shore]

isn’t that what trees do

[signal hedge]

Aw heck we just invented trees.

[frigid tinsel]

saplings

[tough coral]

Honestly i like to think that it is canon, but since the prince is just one kid only like one or two skykids got involved so it has no real effect on the lore. some kid from another dimension got stuck in skyworld for a bit, a couple random skykids made friends with him, he went thru eden and managed to get home, nothing important came of it.

[rigid mural]

thats why we will never see piggyback lightseeker on the dailies

[frigid tinsel]

oh god I was thinking Minecraft saplings

[keen shore]

my only disagreement with this is I don’t think he went home,… if you relive the sterlugnt desert spirits and see him in a cutscene, they turned him into a spirit. He died

[rigid mural]

sterlugnt desert

[keen shore]

I didn’t even notice

[frigid tinsel]

reminder that the Little Prince is an alien so idk how much Sky's in-universe rebirth rules apply to him

[rigid mural]

it's ok he died in my fic

[keen shore]

they killed him…

[frigid tinsel]

mate, he died in canon

[rigid mural]

i was gonna say "it's ok he's french" but i still think that joke is funny

[keen shore]

It’s one of those rare jokes where every time you make it it gets funnier

[nimble ingot]

ey, Little Prince is back at his little planet and with his Rose.

[rigid mural]

OI SPOILER

[keen shore]

he died from fall damage after I catapulted him up there and failed

[frigid tinsel]

this channel is lore-discussion-spoilers

[rigid mural]

sky spoilers

[keen shore]

do you think we could’ve saved him by using the wasteland catapult instead?

[frigid tinsel]

he didn't have a cape, he wasn't immune to fall damage

[nimble ingot]

Aint no birds on strings to help him?

[keen shore]

give him a massive darkstone crystal and watch him slowly float away…

[keen shore]

AHEIIWFUOWGIWOFO

[torn eagle]

Did... Did you just make this? Massive respect

[rigid mural]

yeag

[frigid tinsel]

this is aweosme

[keen shore]

^ last thing he thought before death

[rigid mural]

that's funny because the author--- [gets mantabducted]

[keen shore]

oh no

[frigid tinsel]

oh riiight

[signal hedge]

I never get people who say Season of TLP isn't canon. We literally have an area in the game where "worlds collide", clearly some sort of multiverse portal, and the little prince was in there, because he fell into it, case closed, Sky and TLP share the same multiverse but not the same universe except for that one time where they collided. (i will drop the subject now i swear)

It's also really common for pieces of media to throw in a twist where they share the same multiverse with a public domain character - like, how many shows have you seen where there's just this episode all about how Sherlock Holmes was actually a real dude, or whatever? For me I'm pretty sure it's multiple. Same situation.

[low spindle]

Prince isnt dead because I said so and for my own mental health

No but, id agree they sorta collided and share a multiverse of sorts.

But it isnt, like a longterm thing. Like said before it doesnt impact lore too much but does show that sky CAN have people from other universes go in it.

[violet sundial]

I think the dreamlike worlds collide thing has more to do with how Vault is the way it is, if that makes any sense, and the magic that’s used to make it the way it is.

Collabs are inherently weird to pick apart though so like

[torn eagle]

Skynews: after this season next season is another collab

We'll see if they have sorta the same thing like little prince with the "world collide" text @.@

[low spindle]

Yes, maybe we will figure it out. Or it could just be silly collabs with no real meaning LOL

[signal hedge]

Can't wait till we hit Fortnite levels of crossover-ability and every media franchise in the world visits us and gives us their wildly off-model cosmetics /s oof that would suck

[frigid tinsel]

Vault, to me, comes across as a liminal zone, where multiple planes of existence or multiverses intersect thus can interact with each other, hence the Vault's dreamy vibes.
it's not that nothing in the Vault is real, rather those planes of existence are unveiled in the most concrete form.

[low spindle]

Fortnite x sky season when???

[violet sundial]

To be fair though actually handled the cosmetics sector REALLY well

[low spindle]

Yes thats why i have high hopes the rest of next collab season

[signal hedge]

Yeah, I was surprised by how well cosmetics worked for our first crossover. Helps that they're already highly similar styles.

[violet sundial]

Like, they fit the spirits super well (especially thematically) and tie into Sky’s style too

[keen shore]

I do like how well they blended the collab season with actual in world lore, it was really cool and helps it feel not out of place! It’s obvious how much care went into that

[signal hedge]

Wouldn't be surprised if the design of the sky kids was partially based on the little prince, considering he's been the foremost kids property about dreamy fantastical things for decades upon decades.

[violet sundial]

I also admit that like I didn’t like them at the time of the season because i wanted more colorful stuff

[frigid tinsel]

apparently one of the inspirations for Sky was The Little Prince, so you're not far off

[violet sundial]

I hardly had a single red cape until like… days of Feast 😭

[signal hedge]

Vindicated :D

[low spindle]

We dont know the next collab yet right? Are there guesses for what it is?

[signal hedge]

Do we know that there will ever be a Collab again?

[frigid tinsel]

there's a thought that the character that appeared on the Harmony Hall mural might be a hint for the next collab.

[violet sundial]

We literally have 0 idea BUT a journey collab could theoretically be in the cards actually

[low spindle]

Wouldnt a journey collab just be an in company collab? It would be easy but hmm

[violet sundial]

Given that game had it’s 10th anniversary recently Ish and like it seems viable bc of that

[raw crypt]

the season after this one is a collab! we just don’t know what yet, im personally hoping for gris

[violet sundial]

Yes but also TGC doesn’t even have the rights to it anymore iirc, its in Sony’s hands now i think

[frigid tinsel]

Sony owns the rights to Journey even though TGC made the game cos it was made to be Playstation-exclusive, so a collab would be across companies

[low spindle]

Ah i had forgotten about that. A journey collab would be interesting though

[violet sundial]

Also Journey collab could mean some really cool cosmetics. Esp looking back at the concept art

[signal hedge]

There are only so many things that would fit, and Gris would, that's true.

[violet sundial]

I haven’t played Gris so I wouldn’t know 100%
But from what ive seen I see what you mean

[low spindle]

My heart yearns for a monument valley collab but i know it probs wouldnt happen

[signal hedge]

I stopped playing it pretty early. It just felt like Journey But Worse :/ But I'm sure it's actually great and I just have no attention span.

[violet sundial]

Also people seem to want a Hollow Knight collab a lot but it feels a little out of place in terms of like… theming?

[low spindle]

It might fit, but big might. Also i dont think team cherry would have time for a collab with sky? As silksong is just around the corner

[violet sundial]

its hard to see a game that had a very different philosophy behind it than Sky fitting into the context of it

[signal hedge]

Yeah, Hollow Knight seems to have a theme of a world where everything is already over, and there's no hope, except that the Knight could solve one of the problems... it would be a weird fit for a game about a cycle of rebirth that's overall uplifting.

[frigid tinsel]

true, Hollow Knight is more about how light is evil and darkness is good. Sky leans more into light is good and darkness is bad. these games are antithetical from a basic standpoint

[violet sundial]

Mostly just cus hollow knight is more violent. Not like bloody violent but like… hmmmm

[low spindle]

Honestly the whole thing being opposite of one another might be a leading factor for an interesting collab.

[violet sundial]

Like not to be the “vIdEo GaMeS are SOOO viOlEnT” guy but like… i can’t see a game where you’re supposed to fight things head on with your nail fitting with a game where you’re supposed to do exactly NOT that

[signal hedge]

It would be neat to see the Knight initially be our enemy because they think that light is always bad, and/or our characters being worried about the Knight wanting to defeat light, as a nice subversion.

[violet sundial]

Wait yeah! Huh… sounds like its Corny Redemption Arc Time/j

[signal hedge]

The ending moral could be that things aren't actually black and white.

[low spindle]

Id input. Letting both ghost and our skid learning that the opposite of themselves isnt always bad (as sky kids do think most dark is bad)

[frigid tinsel]

Sky is violent considering what krills do and the whole being pelted to death in Eden. when theorizing about lore, Sky's history turns out to be rather cruel. the thing is, skykids don't have any good offensive mechanics, nowhere near Hollow Knight. our best defense is not engaging at all (hiding from krill) or to sacrifice ourselves (Eden).

[violet sundial]

Just another thought going back to this though, they tackle the opposite of themselves pretty differently too. Skykids much more passively for the most part

That’s what I’m getting at, its about how the protagonist engages the problems that makes me feel that a Hollow Knight collab would be so jarring and unlikely

[low spindle]

I think that could be a good conflict though. Idk, i always like the opposites thing as it would be quite fun to see happen and expanded on. Yes the ways they do things are differently, but the concepts are fundamentally similiar.
Kid like thing goes through adventure trying to sacrifice themselfs to beat the light/dark

[frigid tinsel]

I think the how HK protagonist engages their problems would create an interesting juxtaposition with skykids' passive behavior. skykids evade or jump face first into it knowing they'll perish. meanwhile, the Knight fights back. on one hand, the Knight would introduce skykids to doing more than accepting their fate. on the other hand, their differing means could strife conflict that we the players would be tasks to solve or however TGC and Team Cherry would resolve that storyline.

[lyric isle]

hi I hear Hollow Knight

I would LOVE that, but not as the kinda collab to rip things directly from the game
I want it like LP in terms of inspired

[low spindle]

I agree with this a lot.

[lyric isle]

that would make both collabs greyscale vkfjdjfj

[violet sundial]

I think so, but also part of TGC’s philosophy with games plays into why we’re not allowed to beat up the krill or anything

[frigid tinsel]

elaborate?

[low spindle]

But you can pick them up, so close enough

[lyric isle]

hang on I must show a thing I made

#sky-memes message

related to this

[low spindle]

OHHH

[frigid tinsel]

The only explicit Sky philosophy we have on hand is how Sky defies the Hero’s Journey

[lyric isle]

sorry the mention of HK got me super excited

this game has ruined me. I read the word Abyss and hear pirate music in my head

[low spindle]

Imagine if sky kid went to the abyss after meeting ghost lol

[violet sundial]

As I understand it TGC as a company doesn’t want its players to take “violence solves problems” from its games. So there’s still things like the krill, but you as a player are not encouraged to attempt to fight these things by hurting them. Introducing a character from a video game that actively wants you to fight things to progress would be very out of place UNLESS the point is to have them specifically learn from that

[rigid mural]

GRIS MY BELOVED

[violet sundial]

And correct me if i’m wrong because I don’t remember hk lore too well, but like… isn’t the player, like… Not Sentient

[lyric isle]

gris would be so good

[frigid tinsel]

Debatable

[violet sundial]

Also i feel like seeing literally anything from hk in 3d would look extremely cursed

[keen shore]

I don’t know about theming, all I know is thst from my limited knowledge of HK lore, it would be absolutely hilarious and I love bugs

[lyric isle]

Yes to an extent. The vessels are created with the intent of having no free will, thought or voice - but whether the Knight qualifies as such is debatable. I think it definitely has at least some of the first two

[frigid tinsel]

TGC, where are the Sky bugs

[violet sundial]

Timid bookworm:

[lyric isle]

there is a Sanctuary-era picture of me saying that the game has “more bugs than Hallownest”

[rigid mural]

(oh my god wym even the philosophy of the game was made by yet another company, i want to lie down, capitalism hell)

[violet sundial]

I’M CRYING LMAO

[low spindle]

This is a discussion for hollow knight lore. Because yes the vessels are meant to not be sentient, most of them are sentient. Wether ghost is or not. Ehhhhhhhh we don't really know?

Though it would be interesting for the collab to not follow the knight but instead maybe the hollow knight/prince

Or..... maybe even.... zote the great and brave and-

[lyric isle]

like. HK is my previous main fixation before Sky took over; the way I see the latter is quite influenced by

[violet sundial]

This quote is going up on my wall forever thank you

[raw crypt]

o7 beetle mask i miss u

[rigid mural]

beetle mask

[lyric isle]

oh no I had the actual worst thought

Gloat the Mighty

[low spindle]

Oh my goodness

[signal hedge]

The ending kinda implies that the Knight was successfully non-sapient, but it does seem a little iffy from what we know of them.

[frigid tinsel]

Wdym ending, there’s three endings in HK

[low spindle]

Which ending? The true ending? Or....

[lyric isle]

five if you count dlc

i will be back

[signal hedge]

True ending is what I meant, sorry, trying to sound vague to provide fewer spoilers.

Even though this is a spoiler chat, lol. But a Sky spoiler chat, so...

[low spindle]

Perhaps moving on is the right call then.

SO LIKE MONUMENT VALLEY X SKY COLLA-

[signal hedge]

Lol, their aesthetics do seem like they'd go well together. And they're both mobile-first games, which is a neat familial link.

[keen shore]

the only collab that I want is Sky and warrior cats because it would be so funny. I’m not even into it anymore, but they overlap an odd amount and it’s hilarious

[low spindle]

Yes, also i want a cone hat like the princess in sky

(Also going from a prince to a princess would be pretty funky)

[rigid mural]

forest season ofc

[frigid tinsel]

Obligatory Forest Elder is a furry

[low spindle]

Bout to draw forest elder with cat ears now smh smh

[keen shore]

they even have the whole “dead people become stars” thing it’s hilarious

[frigid tinsel]

True cat mask potential

[low spindle]

Ima sketch it later.....

[fickle wing]

if teth is warrior cats does this mean rhythm n director are gahoole

[rocky granite]

I was literally talking about that to a friend yesterday because the mural in harmony hall reminded me of the ghost lady i dont remember much about the game tho haha

[keen shore]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

[hushed steeple]

AYO- who saw the new mural in eden?

[low spindle]

OH? I havent seen the mural in harmony hall so i might need to go check it (if no one has an image of i

[rocky granite]

Its on the second floor and the person in the middle changed and i think it looks like her hat haha

[keen shore]

This one! They added the figure in the middle this update, the rest was already there
edit: oh thank god discord finally let me post it

[rocky granite]

This is who i was talking about in monument valley

[rigid mural]

performance is happy feet

[rocky granite]

It kind of fits aesthetically but what i remember about the story would fit into sky well

[low spindle]

Ohhhhh funky, idk who else it looks like in gaming terms

[nimble ingot]

Wait wait, would it mean the Enchantment guide is the lamp sales man in Aladdin?

[keen shore]

it’s weird because it being a collab character would explain so much, but then why are they in the middle of what looks like such an important scene with people cheering? You’d assume a collab character would work like tlp where they are in the story of the world, but not a huge/central part of it.

there are so many game characters that look like that figure too

[hushed steeple]

What if

Also, it's weird how I'm gonna explain an idea of mine but... Darkstone is like a representation of nuclear power

[rocky granite]

I feel like darkstone fits the industrial revolution kinda well

[nimble ingot]

The Eden Crystal

Joke Head canon: By the same token, The King is The Genie

[pastel brook]

mods here... mods there... mods everywhere!

[frigid tinsel]

You say that but there are two mods online rn and none in this channel

[hushed steeple]

Yeah. In general the 2 realms that were the most affected are forest and wasteland. forest was like the experimental version. Everything wasn't as dangerous, it was just used for small things, like doors and such. In the wastelands we see factories, lots of them. Many mechanical things there are powered with darkstone - including the canons up on the wasteland temple. I feel like this all happened within greed and many other things. Idk how to explain myself completely and clean/organised but I think you get what I mean

[frigid tinsel]

By some theories, the Eden diamond is the lamp and the king is the genie stuck inside

[keen shore]

you joke but the lamp in starlight desert may actually be a um. I forgot what you call it. Metaphor? for the Eden Diamond

[rigid mural]

people were paid to turn it on and off ? /j

[hushed steeple]

Nah the guy was just too canonical to the book, supposedly according to the book, the lamp guy was next to the sun. Meaning every second was day and night

[keen shore]

i want to try and explain why I think it is but my thoughts are absolutely not working at the moment RIP

[rigid mural]

In the book, the lamplighter's planet has a really fast day and night cycle because it is so small, iirc

[rigid mural]

your screenshot with a vault lamp drawn on the lamplighter's island lamp.

[keen shore]

YEAH BUT ITS NOT JUST THAT, I am trying to think of the other reason I thought that. There’s the Eden mural which shows the diamond looking really similar to the lamp there, what was the third? it might’ve been just the whole tlp elder theory, I can’t remember

[frigid tinsel]

I mean

[rigid mural]

idk if i said it here already but the ribbon things emanating from the diamond ? they remind me of the megabird part of the ark murals

[keen shore]

YEAH TY ALWDDAIR brain is struggling

[rigid mural]

Maybe the diamons was meant to mimic/supplant megabird ?

[frigid tinsel]

Mine too low words rn

[frigid tinsel]

From Salem’s mural masterlist

[keen shore]

my words are fine I just CANNOT think correctly for some reason

[rigid mural]

Maybe darkness didn't just cause the stars to fall and may have interrupted the flow of life in the kingdom itself... hence why the king may have had to find a way to at least offer a replacement

[frigid tinsel]

It’s like filling sky with stars

[keen shore]

I like to imagine it’s an artificial sun, but I don’t have much evidence for this!! I just think it would be cool and it’s what I thought f first. It would explain why it would need to be turned off and on to mimic day/night cycles

[rigid mural]

The way the crystal in person seems to send something upwards & the way it is depicted with megabird imagery makes me think it could have been a way to ascend souls before it broke

[keen shore]

little do we know it’s actually a massive grill…

I want to come back to this discussion when I have a bit more brain cells is thst ok

[rigid mural]

feel free to mention me when you do !

[uncut pond]

Also if you look closely it looks like the holy figure (that's what I'm gonna refer to them as) seems to be surrounded by 6 stones/graves?, suspiciously similar to the last floor of the Vault with the 6 tombs of the Elders...

[uncut pond]

Also if the holy figure is the one who created the diamond maybe that could have some relation to that theory of Darkstone being used to store spells? Like what if the Diamond is one giant spell that was somehow supposed to help the entire kingdom but it backfired/got corrupted?

Or maybe the big diamond truly is the source of the giant Eden beam and the prophecy murals are meant to show One creating the diamond that creates the beam

Or maybe that one random theory I came up I don't remember how much ago where One/King has to stay there below the diamond making a constant effort to keep it functioning like they have to use their power to keep the beam functioning

I'm sorry I have too many ideas about this new mural

[fading bear]

Could it also be absorbing the light of the stars?
That could explain why the diamond got corrupted? because it absorbed too much energy or something along the lines of that?

[outer hare]

Im not sure where this mural is but the possibility that there could have been an alliance between the ancestors and megabirb sometime during the kings reign that was broken after the king started harming the land?

i just bobbited the chat didnt i?