lore-discussion-spoilers

[lofty rover]

So I went to ark today

[icy spruce]

mhm

[lofty rover]

And okay first offf. The details are amazing

[icy spruce]

yesss

[lofty rover]

The gold on that guide is

So accurate

Also, the mural is in gold

Instead of white

Prosperity at its finest

[icy spruce]

E

ye

Ark looks pretty amazing

[lofty rover]

Very amazing.

We were also trying to understand the story

[icy spruce]

and it's like, the first major lore season

[lofty rover]

Oooo

I see

[mint widget]

oo

[lofty rover]

And how does the mural actually tell you what happened

Who drew it

Was the first question in my head

[icy spruce]

the spirit ig

[lofty rover]

Ooooo

[icy spruce]

I forgot which

but like

last cutscene

[lofty rover]

The first one okay

[icy spruce]

isnt there a spirit

[pseudo heart]

Nodding Muralist

[icy spruce]

ye that

[lofty rover]

Yeah yeah

I see I thought spirits

Okay

Got it

Then why does the krill not come past the mountains

[icy spruce]

idk

hmm

[lofty rover]

It doesn't even disturb the boat.

[icy spruce]

ye

it's weird

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[lofty rover]

Ik

[pseudo heart]

Pedro is nice

[untold notch]

chad likes his mountain

[lofty rover]

In fact the person with me hadn't even noticed it

[pseudo heart]

A chill guy

[lofty rover]

I see everyone has named It

[untold notch]

i have named every krill

well

[lofty rover]

Imma call it Leechee

[pseudo heart]

Same

[untold notch]

my friends named most i contributed like 2

[pseudo heart]

I have a name for everyone

[icy spruce]

I

[pseudo heart]

Pedro is the nice krill in the ark who always helps me in the krill quest

[icy spruce]

I call all of the krills Karen

[untold notch]

for me chad is the ark krill

[pseudo heart]

Karen is the shipwreck krill, we have a love-hate relationship

[untold notch]

he likes the mountain

[icy spruce]

lmao

[untold notch]

i should check these hold on

[lofty rover]

Wait what was that bug called that I sent a picture of

[icy spruce]

office?

[pseudo heart]

Which one

[lofty rover]

Oh no I mean real life bug

Insect lmao

[icy spruce]

oh

OHH

[pseudo heart]

Where—

[icy spruce]

uhh fleas

[untold notch]

i named shipwreck buddy

[icy spruce]

I think

[lofty rover]

Yesss

[icy spruce]

yeeee

[lofty rover]

Thinking of name with flea since this one is literally near a flea market

Leechee is better

[pseudo heart]

Broken Temple krill — Theresa
Manta — Terry

Graveyard krills — Ezekiel, Eustace, Eunice and Emery

Shipwreck krill — Karen (we have a love-hate relationship)

Battlefield krills aka the Tres Marias — Maria, Marie, Mariana

Ark krill — Pedro (they're a good krill)

Eden Krills — Ed, Edd, Eddy and Janeth

[lofty rover]

Ahahaha Eden krills

Wait.. Eden has 4 krills?

[icy spruce]

first cutscene

ye

[untold notch]

yes

[icy spruce]

like

[lofty rover]

You think I was sane enough to count?

[icy spruce]

after ye open the door in 2nd area

ye

[untold notch]

imagine not naming the ||office|| krills couldnt be me

hold on let me grab my List

[lofty rover]

Wait wait

[icy spruce]

halloween envvent

*event

[lofty rover]

You remember except for shiny boi and king 4 people went to Eden

...

[pseudo heart]

I have yet to think of names for the office guys

[untold notch]

krills in order of appearance
broken temple: Grace
graveyard: twitchy, cameron, alaster, kitty
shipwreck: buddy
ark: chad
battlefield: jack, sam, violet
eden: jeff, gregory, bob, Thousand Legs,
||office: benji (toilet krill my beloved), zudik, rowley, lily, bill||

[pseudo heart]

Thousand legs eiekksswnd

[lofty rover]

Wait I have only ever seen one krill in office

[untold notch]

the eden ones are really funny to me because its three really mundane names and then THOUSAND LEGS

[icy spruce]

there's actually uhh 4 or five in office

[untold notch]

benji is the only one there outside of halloween

[pseudo heart]

Ya

During Mischief

[icy spruce]

the one you see is Toilet Krill

[lofty rover]

Ahh I see

[pseudo heart]

There's a lotta them

[untold notch]

i named benji and im proud of that

[lofty rover]

The guy who kidnapped me today tried to flush a crab

I didn't see a krill then

[pseudo heart]

They're under the map below the toilet

[lofty rover]

The devil is a game dev

Ahaha yeah I've seen it

Also, is blue moon on full moon?

(Full moon irl Ofc)

[icy spruce]

all I know is that office turns dark in twenty six

I forgot the other days

[pseudo heart]

During space days

[icy spruce]

ye

[lofty rover]

It was full moon yest and well it was blue moon so got me wondering

Space days..

[untold notch]

you can go to the Actual International Space Station™️

[pseudo heart]

So uhh every 6th, 13th, 20th and 27th of a month

[lofty rover]

Ahh thanks

[icy spruce]

oh

I thought twenty six

[lofty rover]

It was 27 yest or today

No

Not today sorry

[pseudo heart]

27 was the other day??

[icy spruce]

curse my memory

[pseudo heart]

It's 29 for ne

[untold notch]

27th was yesterday for me

[lofty rover]

Same it's 29

[untold notch]

time is crazy like that

[pseudo heart]

Dang timezones

[icy spruce]

wait what

[lofty rover]

We are in the future :3

I am talking to the past

Just like the spirits

[icy spruce]

isnt is supposed to be 28 in America and 29 for the rest?

[lofty rover]

Yeah

[icy spruce]

why is it 27

[pseudo heart]

Lmao

[icy spruce]

[pseudo heart]

27 is space day

[lofty rover]

27 yest f or you

[icy spruce]

ye

[pseudo heart]

Chesca,, don't we live in the same country ;;;

[lofty rover]

I had changed the time zones when I said that

[icy spruce]

I mean, someone said its 27 for them or is my eye dead

[lofty rover]

Ahh no I made an error lol lol

[icy spruce]

but we're neighbouring country

oh

lmao

[pseudo heart]

Lmao

[lofty rover]

Most my friends I hang out with are in your time zone so

Also I napped a lot today so I am a bit shaken

Back to ark:

[icy spruce]

oh

[untold notch]

canada should also be in the 27th

[pseudo heart]

Wh

[icy spruce]

w ha t

I

[lofty rover]

What

[pseudo heart]

Imagine living 2 days in the past

[icy spruce]

I uh, think you mean 28?

[lofty rover]

Why

I mean that's one way to say Canada is behind

[icy spruce]

I think they're a timelord or smthng

conspiracy theory

[lofty rover]

I know they do day light saving but not to that extent

[pseudo heart]

Alright, enough real world lore

[lofty rover]

Lol

Kay so

4 people

[pseudo heart]

My brain is soup

[lofty rover]

4 krills

[pseudo heart]

Ye

[lofty rover]

Coincidence?

I think NOT

[icy spruce]

so uh

what about the 4 krills

[lofty rover]

There were 4 people who went to Eden

Aside from shiny boi and king

The side characters

And then lo behold, we have 4 krills in Eden

I mean unless someone knows what happened to those 4

[untold notch]

28TH PLS

LORD

[icy spruce]

?

[lofty rover]

Those four in tow

[untold notch]

I SAID CANADA WAS IN THE 27TH THATS WRONG

[lofty rover]

Kay glad that's clear

[untold notch]

i may be stupid

[icy spruce]

it's okay

I thought it was Friday today

[untold notch]

time is spaghetti

[icy spruce]

indeed

so uh

lore

[lofty rover]

Lore.

The 4 side characters became krills

[icy spruce]

would be an interesting au

and

show

series

[lofty rover]

Ik

Is there any proof against it tho

[icy spruce]

(inhales)

OBJECTION!

[lofty rover]

I feel it coming

[icy spruce]

Canon doc states that all creatures in Sky are

natural

therefore, how can the 4 spirits be krills?

[lofty rover]

Well aren't people... natural?

[icy spruce]

it's a coincidence

[lofty rover]

Curse

[icy spruce]

wait, I'll just search if corruption is considered

[lofty rover]

Ahh si si

[icy spruce]

okay, google sucks

but anyways

Hmm, that's true

[lofty rover]

sorry Google she didn't mean it

[icy spruce]

Either way, I still disagree that krills were from corrupted spirits!

[lofty rover]

Ahh well maybe

[icy spruce]

It's a coincidence!

[lofty rover]

But it's fun to think that way :3

[icy spruce]

lmao

[lofty rover]

I mean what a great story

[icy spruce]

but it would be a good drama series

four friends become corrupted people

[lofty rover]

You guys forgot the bg characters like they didn't matter and just saw the king, guess what ya'all you won't forget em

[icy spruce]

lmao

[lofty rover]

Also, the ark shops have same content as the boat

I mean..

What's the point?

[icy spruce]

not really

the boat has less

stuff

I think

[lofty rover]

I checked today

It seemed almost same

But idk

I have serious doubts about my memory now

Also if the boat has less stuff. Again, what's the point?!

[untold notch]

convenience

[lofty rover]

It's called lazinessss

[icy spruce]

easier

uh

[lofty rover]

Don't sugar coat it

[icy spruce]

thing

easier uhhh

I forgot the word

F

[lofty rover]

Ease?

[icy spruce]

no

uhh access

easier acces

s

ye

[untold notch]

convenience and laziness go hand in hand

[icy spruce]

also, is the spell for the cape/necklace in Ark?

[lofty rover]

Yes

They are

[icy spruce]

oh okao

[lofty rover]

As a lazy person, I agree

Still I wish atleast there was some difference like the reset times differ

Would make it better ig

Ahem another thing

[icy spruce]

that's true

[lofty rover]

So the wasteland is oil territory

And the market is from Alladin

Basically the whole area.. is inspired by Middle East?

[icy spruce]

ye

ig so

[untold notch]

i cant say

[icy spruce]

I mean, the cosmetics looks inspired from West Asia

[lofty rover]

Yeah they are common to both regions

If you are talking about what spirits are wearing

[icy spruce]

ye

[lofty rover]

Yeah they are common to both Asia and Middle East

I think it must be a mix or something

I'll tell you

Yes

(Sorry had to confirm something)

They are common

[icy spruce]

yeah, they are

[lofty rover]

The silk route ya'all

The area of operation of majority of these traders

And it goes all the way to Middle East so

[icy spruce]

yeyeyeye

also, do you think

Sky is uh

have other

KIngdoms

[lofty rover]

Hmmmm

I want to believe there are but then

We know that these regions were far enough that we need doors

And the peeps needed tech

So the area must already be huge.

2. The terrain isn't exactly same, the merchants lived at the sea. Which turned desert cause science

If merchants existed, they'd know of other places... we'd see some clue. (Conversely the very fact that the merchants dress very differently to the sky people can mean they.. were from a far off land)

[icy spruce]

prolly

[lofty rover]

3. If something brought 2012 onto sky verse.. what happened at other places

[icy spruce]

If there are other KIngdoms

I think Ark is a merchant from some other Kingdom

anyways, gtg now

cya later

adios

[lofty rover]

Adios

[pseudo heart]

Aight yall

I managed to go to the Shipwreck island

[icy spruce]

O

wait what island

[pseudo heart]

The one with the meditation circle

:D

[icy spruce]

O

O?

O

[pseudo heart]

:D

[icy spruce]

the one like

1st area

where you go to Ark?

[pseudo heart]

No

Shipwreck

[icy spruce]

oh

OH

[pseudo heart]

:D

[icy spruce]

I

[lofty rover]

Wait what island

[pseudo heart]

The one beyond Shipwreck

[lofty rover]

There is something beyond?!

[pseudo heart]

Yeah,,

There's an island in the distance,, with a shiny something in Shipwreck yeah?

The story from the folks around here is that it was a meditation area back in Light Awaits but was blocked off during COTL

And ye it seems that it is

[lofty rover]

O

[icy spruce]

O

[dense arch]

i thought most area have it

like in butterfly field

i forgot what its for though

[mint widget]

wue

[lofty rover]

To go back home?

[harsh pecan]

I have a weird question: If a spirit’s memories are supposed to be important moments in their life, then why are the Rhythm spirits just shown walking?

[jovial wolf]

I LIKE WALKING

(dont know I haven't lived this season)

[cosmic willow]

same

[cosmic willow]

maybe because they’re a travelling troupe??

like a fond memory of a road trip with some friends

[cunning tree]

@cosmic willow

[cosmic willow]

?

[harsh pecan]

They were lonely but that makes sense

[harsh pecan]

Same

[cosmic willow]

just a theory lol

[harsh pecan]

Ye

[cosmic willow]

haven’t actually seen any of the rhythm spirit memories

[harsh pecan]

Pretty sure they were all just walking

[cosmic willow]

“what’s your fondest memory,rhythm troupe?”
“w a lk”

[pseudo heart]

I mean,, the plot of rhythm was pretty much a travelling troupe (from Valley) getting seperated and trying to find each other so ;;

It might be that their strongest memories were them searching for their fellow troupe mates

[harsh pecan]

Thats a good one

Also whats with this pot

[cobalt saffron]

plot twist: The pot is an elder /j

[cosmic willow]

so that’s where the Eden elder was all this time!/j

[cobalt saffron]

He got fed up with being an elder and decided to be a pot

[cosmic willow]

reject elderhood,become pot

[cobalt saffron]

Yes

[icy spruce]

ah yes

p o t

[frozen pivot]

looks like an awfully girthy banana

with a short stem

[cosmic willow]

this probably was a stylistic choice but the holding hands node have one light hand and one dark hand

also the hands are bright on the release node

does that represent connection/charged??

[icy spruce]

E

Desd chat

Dead

[exotic shuttle]

day 537 of wondering why it’s always daytime in daylight prairie 🙈

[pseudo heart]

Because if it was any other time of the day it wouldn't be Daylight Prairie anymore

[true grove]

Moonlight prairie when

[pseudo heart]

I have a pic of nighttime prairie

[true grove]

[pseudo heart]

I thought yall saw that already

[exotic shuttle]

the poor mantas probably have been waiting for night time so they can sleep

[true grove]

The edited ones?

[pseudo heart]

No

[true grove]

I've seen some

Oo

[pseudo heart]

Slumbering Shipwright's cutscene is in night

[true grove]

👁️👄👁️

[pseudo heart]

I thought u know—

[true grove]

I've seen one art of prairie at night in promotional images

[true grove]

No, i thought they were tired

[pseudo heart]

After getting dragged out of the cutscene area

[true grove]

[exotic shuttle]

i wonder if time used to pass in prairie, but at some point time froze

[pseudo heart]

Yeaaah the popular time freeze theory

And the time loop theory too

[true grove]

Ya know time slows down near massive objects so if eden diamond is massive enough it can slow down time or stop it

[exotic shuttle]

😳

[true grove]

But that means that it has to be a black hole and probably would destroyed everything

[pseudo heart]

Could it be that the explosion happened during reset time? Maybe the eden explosion screwed with the time and created a time loop :VVVVvVv

Hmmmmm but

That would have lots of holes hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[true grove]

I thought that time isn't stopped, but the trip from isle to eden takes one day for skids to cover

[pseudo heart]

The surroundings seem to be

There's lots of things that are suspended mid air

Not the diamond powered ones

Nor the floating islands

[exotic shuttle]

and skykids never age always children

[pseudo heart]

[true grove]

No matter how technical we go at the end magic exists in sky so anything is possible

[pseudo heart]

Do you think we'll ever age if we keep dying every week

[true grove]

I've definitely aged 👴 playing sky dunno about my skid

[exotic shuttle]

even tho we don’t seem to age, skykids can still move... maybe because they’re made of light?

[true grove]

Oh- maybe we don't age because we are stuck in a stage between light creatures and elders.

[pseudo heart]

:happy 3rd birthday!
:Oh shoot it's eden reset, gotta go, I'm outta ACs
:aight, see you in your next 3rd birthday then

[exotic shuttle]

perhaps not

[pseudo heart]

Hmmmmmmmmm

[exotic shuttle]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[true grove]

The king gave elders diamond that gave them god like powers, maybe megabird equipped us with something like that, so we don't age

[pseudo heart]

:VVVV

[true grove]

Or maybe it's because our bodies are like shells so we cannot grow since the shell cannot grow

[pseudo heart]

Could it be because we're somehow related to the king?

[pseudo heart]

We don't age, we just go straight to dyin

[true grove]

Maybe we are related to king

Friend's constellation is eden's constellation and one theory is that we are fragments of king

[exotic shuttle]

“The Light”

[true grove]

Oo

The light is megabird so-

[exotic shuttle]

[true grove]

King=megabird

[pseudo heart]

[exotic shuttle]

[pseudo heart]

Hold up I'm getting my braincells to work—

[true grove]

[pseudo heart]

We're "Children of the light" yah

U kno how children symbolize purity or smth

[true grove]

And chaos

but yes

[exotic shuttle]

maybe the king was a child of light too

[pseudo heart]

And are the ones closest to god because of that purity

And u know how the grown ups usually mean loss of that purity, seeing as how the civilization before us corrupted the lands with their technology

Maybe Megabird intentionally designed skykids that way or smth

Gosh thoughts are hard to put it words

[true grove]

Everyone is born pure and then they get corrupted

[pseudo heart]

Megabird designed Sky children the way they are, forever children, forever innocent

So they won't do the same mistake the ones before them did

[true grove]

:0000

Yes

[exotic shuttle]

[lone hull]

Agreed 110%

[drowsy spoke]

Kind of like how as we grow older the more corrupted we get qwq

[pseudo heart]

Yes, exactly

That's what megabird was avoiding

[exotic shuttle]

[drowsy spoke]

Wonder if the fact skykids basically start out not knowing anything has to do with this

Like they don't have any emotes, not many outfits and hairstyles, like almost newborns

No cape either

[pseudo heart]

They probably don't know anything about the Sky world

But they know they have a job to do

[drowsy spoke]

Like a purpose yeah

[pseudo heart]

"The Light" constantly calls them throughout their journey

[exotic shuttle]

we kno to go towards the Light

[pseudo heart]

Yep

[exotic shuttle]

same braincell

[drowsy spoke]

The ingame text says "if you're lost the light will guide you"

[exotic shuttle]

honking always shows us the way

[true grove]

👁️👄👁️ hold up so the child we see in stargazer's memories is a children of light and since that was in ancestor's time it have grew. So- that's how the people are born in sky, megabird yeeting all of them
Or
The child of light was us the never growing one and megabird sent us early to stop elders from making the mistakes but they did anyways

[drowsy spoke]

so maybe the megabird's plan was for us to bring light back to the kingdom???

[pseudo heart]

Yeah, that's one of our purpose

We're just winged light ubers, literally

[drowsy spoke]

hahaha

Though then what is the point of us losing it all in eden???

Ooh we're freeing them

[pseudo heart]

Yah

[drowsy spoke]

My braincells took three seconds to fully light up again

[drowsy spoke]

Wait stargazer's memory? Was that a spirit

Sorry I don't really remember the spirit's names

[true grove]

I thought the light was the diamond untill i saw the halo after we crossed the diamond, the actual light is that glowing ball (megabird)

[true grove]

The "come here" emote in isle

[pseudo heart]

Reviews:

Winged light #78: ✯☆☆☆☆
I got yeeted by a crab

[true grove]

Their memories got updated before dreams i guess

[drowsy spoke]

kinda off topic but did y'all ever see that wack crescent moon in eye of eden

[true grove]

Ye

[drowsy spoke]

That confused me so much because we've never... seen... the sun of moon in sky?

[true grove]

In the cutscene where golden sky kids fly towards sky, it's visible

[drowsy spoke]

I always assumed we were above the clouds so seeing the moon was like "Wut"

[exotic shuttle]

:0

[pseudo heart]

:O

The king's mural

[drowsy spoke]

😮 If there are moons there are suns in sky and if there are suns there are planets and if there are planets there are stars-

[true grove]

Vault is night, so eden must've been in night too

[pseudo heart]

The king's mural in the Vault cutscene

[exotic shuttle]

we see planets in the credits

[pseudo heart]

Depicts the king/eden elder eating a circle object :O

[drowsy spoke]

Ma'am i was too busy crying in the credits to see any planets--

[pseudo heart]

Could it have been the moon?

[drowsy spoke]

Though if the king ate it it probably wouldn't be in eye of eden

[pseudo heart]

There's a sun, the sun is intact but we never see a full moon

[drowsy spoke]

Unless the eye of eden was the king's stomach

which would be gross

[pseudo heart]

Haha jk unless..

[true grove]

So the king ate it and left some of it

[drowsy spoke]

It's like that one chinese folktale about a dog who took a bite out of the moon

[pseudo heart]

Yeah

That's what I was coming from djwnnsna

[drowsy spoke]

sfajkdslj great minds think alike

[true grove]

Maybe king got too powerful with the diamond that he tried to eat megabird but megabird yeeted the king into a thousand pieces which is us

And the eden diamond is eye of the king 👁️

[drowsy spoke]

There's a pattern with dark things eating bright things

cough cough Krill in wasteland cough cough

tbh that scene freaked me out so bad

[pseudo heart]

Oh :O wasn't there a part in Greek Methodology,, origins of humans???

[drowsy spoke]

holdup I think

[pseudo heart]

We used to have many limbs or something, very powerful. The gods didn't like it, so they split us

[drowsy spoke]

I know where you're going with this

I mistyped greek myth as something else and my message got yeeted woops

[true grove]

Greeks have some cool gods and stories about them

[drowsy spoke]

Wasn't there this myth where humans were smushed clay or sum?

[pseudo heart]

So what I'm taking from here is

Megabird didn't like that the king was trying to level with her

So she split the king into many, less powerful fragments

[drowsy spoke]

:0

[pseudo heart]

Braincells on a roll today

[drowsy spoke]

Our braincells are popping off ✨

[pseudo heart]

Tho I don't rlly agree with the "we're part of the king theory" but it's fun to imagine

[true grove]

Maybe devs wanted eden and orbit to be a more spiritual experience rather than a logical one. So whatever we see in there is more for experiencing than for lore

[drowsy spoke]

Yeh that theory's hard to discuss since the king is so vague

[true grove]

Tho i still want a eden season full of lore

[pseudo heart]

Please

[drowsy spoke]

Feed us

[pseudo heart]

I'll do eden normal route every week

[drowsy spoke]

Kinda unlikely though since the devs said they didn't wan the lore to be super rigid or sumthing

the whole 'part of a king theory' is genuinely a really angsty storyline though

[pseudo heart]

Tho tbh, Eden already gives plenty contribution to the lore

SPEAKING OF EDEN

[drowsy spoke]

Kinda on par with the theory where the skykids are stuck in a cycle of dying over and over again in order to save the statues there 😢

[pseudo heart]

THE EDEN CASTLE AREA DURING ASCENSION IS THE ORIGINAL COLOR OF THE OLD PRE-FALL EDEN PLS

[true grove]

They have 2 years of content planned, i'm excited

[drowsy spoke]

NANI

I've never gotten to see the castle area up close

I've landed on it once or twice but always got yeeted by a manta

[true grove]

Speaking of castle....

[pseudo heart]

I meant,, the area you slide through

[drowsy spoke]

oH?

[pseudo heart]

When you enter the door of eden, you're already inside the castle grounds

[drowsy spoke]

That was so frickin pretty tho

WAit wait wait

Y'all reckon that whole sequence was like... a memory?

Because technically you're 'dead' in that section right?

[pseudo heart]

Just your physical body

[drowsy spoke]

So what if you're sliding through a memory of the sky kingdom before everything fell apart?

Yeah yeah still

[pseudo heart]

Idk about you but the ascension area looks pretty broken to me

[true grove]

I have some cool pics

[pseudo heart]

I doubt it's what it looks before tho

[drowsy spoke]

Oop by discord just went jdkafjdks

[pseudo heart]

Lmaoooooo

I think the color palette there is what eden used to look like

[drowsy spoke]

Idk my memory is pretty foggy

[true grove]

My internet died

Anyway

Spoiler tags are from before

[drowsy spoke]

We could argue that the areas falling apart symbolises how the memories are fading as time goes on but that just might be me pulling at straws

[drowsy spoke]

Holdup is that the correct expression english isn't my first language wait-

IT'S GRASPING AT STRAWS

[pseudo heart]

The colors of krill area eden from afar is similar to the colors of eden during ascension

I am

Desperate

[true grove]

Oooo wait... with the new table bug we can go to the eden diamond someone has to try it

[pseudo heart]

To see Eden pre-fall

YASH

[drowsy spoke]

Me who doesn't have a table 😢

[pseudo heart]

GALAXY BRAIN

[drowsy spoke]

table skykids i summon thee

[pseudo heart]

I HAVEN'T GONE TO EDEN THIS WEEK

[true grove]

🧠

[drowsy spoke]

ME NEITHER

[pseudo heart]

IMMA DRAG MY OOB BUDDY

[drowsy spoke]

I haven't been to eden in... a while

CAN I COME WITH YOU

[pseudo heart]

WE'LL UPDATE U

[drowsy spoke]

I finally have some free time today so

[pseudo heart]

I'm not going today yet djjwnsna

[drowsy spoke]

bahahaha

alright alright just tell us if you find anything

[true grove]

👁️ 👄 👁️

I've been there last week

[drowsy spoke]

The future of this theory rests upon your shoulders....

[pseudo heart]

:O

[true grove]

I'll try to go in beta

[pseudo heart]

After this eden run :O

[drowsy spoke]

That reminds me I should really go to eden at some point to get more ascened

[true grove]

Hold up, lemme message someone

[drowsy spoke]

I'm running low on stock

[pseudo heart]

I can have 11 wedges without eden and trials :O time to celebrate

By exploring stormlock

[south bison]

forgive me for butting in, but I remember the concept art stating smth about a “holy land” beyond Waste thats a golden city

[drowsy spoke]

Stormlock?

Golden city?

nani?

[pseudo heart]

The Holy Land is the equivalent of the ascension area in COTL iirc

[south bison]

Oh gocha!

[true grove]

Ah the ark, it was a huge city built in eden so people can hide in there if light creatures attacked again

[harsh pecan]

Whats the topic?

[south bison]

Im new to the loredive. I love to scramble around the concept art for lore too

[pseudo heart]

Lots of things

[true grove]

Ye ark isn't in current version

[pseudo heart]

Yee

[south bison]

O damn

[pseudo heart]

But the holy land is something else

The ark was created to be sent off to the holy land iirc

[true grove]

Also the whole ark was built with darkstone

[pseudo heart]

Not the Enchantment ark btw

[true grove]

Oh- isn't eden the holy land and ark was built in eden so

[south bison]

Aah right; I always assumed enchant ark is a trading vessel that was sent from Vault

[harsh pecan]

The ark from the concept art?

[pseudo heart]

Yah

I think the ark was eden tho??

At least the equivalent of it

The holy land was supposed to be the ascension area

[south bison]

Oooohhh

I also saw discussion on what the King is and I believe that the King was...the first Skykid or smth

[true grove]

Ye, king and ancestors were the first fallen stars in concept storyline

[south bison]

I follow the belief that before the king, civilization was lowkey being disrespectful to nature and megabird sent him down to try to fix things

aaand it did not turn out very well

[true grove]

Hmm interesting

[pseudo heart]

So she went plan B and yeeted kids

[south bison]

AKDJEKXJDJCNEN

[true grove]

[harsh pecan]

Y e s

[south bison]

I assume he got attached to the civilization he was supposed to be leading towards megabird and instead turned it towards him

Ala ”what does megabird know? I have walked among you.”

[pseudo heart]

Aight time for dinner

[true grove]

And tried to eat megabird

[pseudo heart]

See yall around guys, have fun with the lore

[true grove]

See ya ali

[south bison]

fried chicken

[true grove]

[pseudo heart]

Makes sense why the sun in the Dreams area looks like a yolk

[harsh pecan]

Probably got greedy

[true grove]

Lol

[south bison]

I draw comparisons between Hollow Knight and Sky. Both have kings that wanted to kill a god

[pseudo heart]

This all just ties to my "The world of Sky is just a kitchen" theory

[south bison]

and sacrificed so much to save his kingdom

But for whos end? Himself, or the people he rules? That part is unclear.

[true grove]

The lights going towards the ball of light look like pancakes 👀

[south bison]

pancakes

[true grove]

I don't think megabird has a consciousness

[harsh pecan]

its also really close to the village somehow

[south bison]

But I guess this is like — depending on what side ya wanna believe. You wanna believe the king is good? Then he did all he did for the people of the kingdom. I guess.
Wanna believe the king was a tyrant? Then he did all this bc of greed

yells in king propaganda

[true grove]

The village has some funny scales for everything from the buildings to the sun

[harsh pecan]

King Propaganda :D

[south bison]

Mayhaps it doesnt; but I like to believe that its like
Still kinda concerned abt the balance of nature and all the souls its cycling

[true grove]

Ohh... maybe megabird is a emergent property/ being that comes in existence from the interactions of so many creatures

[south bison]

Related to the king turning the people to him instead of megabird: I had the hc that ppl went up to the holy mountain to return to megabird as pilgrimage
Then get reborn

And when the king got attached to the kingdom instead of fulfilling his mission to the megabird....

he kinda made ppl believe that HES the god they should be followin

[south bison]

Yea! That could be...

[true grove]

So it seems like it has consciousness but actually it's just people doing stuff

[south bison]

The soul of the world, made up of every soul there is...

Creature or ancestor alike

[true grove]

Ye

[south bison]

been reading a LOT of philosophy from various cultures and the whole rebirth thing reminded me of Hindu beliefs;
I thought it stopped at just rebirth but I was wrong

shrugs Eden has always been quite the spiritual experience for me so Im not surprised

[true grove]

What hindu belief 👁️

[south bison]

Oh! Specifically the belief that everyone has within them the divine essence, the “true self”; which is also referred to as the absolute/divine. Realizing that will enable you to return to the divine and escape the cycle of death and rebirth

The entire sequence of Orbit (the scene where you fly into the light and see all your friends!) is very reminiscent of that

Bc youre all made of light!

And going further on the Hindu philosophy; theres a whole quote that says

”We are all sparks from the one divine flame,
Once we realize that spark within, we will be able to recognize that spark in everyone, and everything”

(Thats paraphrased. I dont remember the exact quote but its from one of their major texts)

[harsh pecan]

Byee

Wow

[south bison]

Anyway, that specific quote made me remember how we all have candles and all, and the megabird looks like a GIANT CANDLE FLAME

[true grove]

Ooo as i said earlier...

[south bison]

The whole journey of Sky reminds me of that quest to find the true self within you; and at the end, you realize that its in every single person youve ever met, too!

Its good stuff.

as for rebirth

I have the hc that those friends you dont see in game anymore? Went to eden and never returned.

As if their business is done and they have no attachments to really want to go back to on the game

[true grove]

Maybe devs wanted eden and orbit to be a more spiritual experience rather than a logical one. So whatever we see in there is more for experiencing than for lore

[south bison]

*why do we keep returning to the world? Bc were attached to it.

Same with the Hindu cycle of death and rebirth*

[south bison]

Ye!!

Very very spiritual stuff that, ngl, awakened smth in me

[icy spruce]

O

what’s le topic?

[south bison]

A bunch of things... I started with king propaganda lore

Then went on eden

Eden as a spiritual experience and how it rings similar to certain philosophical lines of thought/belief

[true grove]

Oooo iirc there are 7 circles that you have to cross before achieving enlightment(moksha) the circles are grief, selfishness and such

[drowsy spoke]

Dude this is so cool

[true grove]

7 lifetimes

[drowsy spoke]

7 minutes to relive your life

I have the hc that those friends you dont see in game anymore? Went to eden and never returned.

Really like this theory. Kinda like how skykids are ghosts... almost? Like our purpose is fulfilled, our buisness is finished. Now we can rest

[south bison]

Oh yes theres that too!

Tho I havent encountered that in my course (Im taking this as a minor) specifically.

professor why are you withholding information

Or maybe its in a specific sect and were not delving into it. Hm.

[drowsy spoke]

Maybe it's just becasue I've been playing Hollow knight too much but the idea of an infection spreading across the land and a corrupted king that could also possibly be our father is just ✨ spicy ✨

[true grove]

Oo you are studying it

[south bison]

I mentioned the similarities too!

Not the father part per se

More of him wanting to kill god IWJDKDCM

Darkstone is void

[drowsy spoke]

Both gods also really sparkly

Skykids born of god and light

[dense arch]

theory = is a fruit eater crab and because it ate too much orange it became an orange because skybot said "dont eat too much vitamins or you will turn into one yourself" and vitamins refer to oranges

also what if the turning into vitamin thing is a like infection? since skybot says "thats not healthy" and said their crab is sick and they need a veterarinanonan and they are referring to craborange

[rapid juniper]

I always eat vitamins gummies lol

[icy spruce]

good thinking

time to make a new product for King Propaganda

[rapid juniper]

But Like is the theory neccesary

[silk stag]

Uhh now i think about it
Does sanctuary spirit dies while in summer vacation-

[dense arch]

(crack) theory

[rapid juniper]

The sanctuary spirts prolly died swimming in the polluted geyser like i did

[lone hull]

The king was the child of light, probably got corrupted due waves of disappointments beholding the children corruptions. Just a theory.

[cosmic willow]

maybe it just was an unforgettable vacation

[frozen pivot]

i want a banana suit ngl

dance like that dancing banana meme

[icy spruce]

I think so too, except King got corrupted cause greed and pressure

[icy spruce]

(Inhales)

IM A BANANA, IM A BANANA, LOOK AT ME MOVE! HAH, BANANA POWE-

anyways, lor e

[frozen pivot]

i shall cause another banana revolution, but in this channel this time, if the banana suit were to be fulfilled

[south bison]

Greed, pressure, too much attachment to the kingdom he ruled and turned back from megabird big time,

to outright defiance

[lone hull]

So the king and the prince. I have a theory on that.

[icy spruce]

wait, when was the first one-

[frozen pivot]

have this big dark crystal/diamond been mentioned or relayed in any sort of way in the game? murals or smth?

[icy spruce]

Proph, you see bug diamond under castle

*big

[frozen pivot]

somewhere and thats all u need to know

[icy spruce]

most likely that diamond

[lone hull]

That realm got more violent though.

[icy spruce]

[frozen pivot]

it was fun tho, we fought against limes and won then we all got muted for being involved

[icy spruce]

O

Kitsuu, when it happens

do the spam dm

uh to me

cause I wanna join

[frozen pivot]

when thw banana suit comes

ill call at arms

anyway, ye i havent seen any mention of the eden crystal at all

[icy spruce]

wait what

[south bison]

What even is the eden crystalx

[icy spruce]

A giant diamond

[frozen pivot]

not even in prophecy, i mean it only really shows the prince's coronation but if they knew that far then shouldnt they know wats next?

[lone hull]

The megabird and the prince were once held hands together until the prince grown up and ready becoming a king, but that prince kinda vanished and another replaced him.

[south bison]

True. The giant diamond remains a mystery

[frozen pivot]

i call it crystal cus i have a headcanon on wat dark crystal/stone and diamonds is

just incase

but ye, i mean devs confirmed it had smth to do with the downfall

but why wasnt it in prophecy, cus if prince is the king then hes sure as hell related to the crystal aswell

[lone hull]

It failed. Because lack of knowledge.

[frozen pivot]

they had it, the very beginning aswell

[south bison]

Maybe they didnt see that far into the future??

[south bison]

was the eden crystal always been there or

[lone hull]

Yeap

[frozen pivot]

from forest being the first to touch tech

[south bison]

OH DANG ITSBEEN THERE

[frozen pivot]

to the prince's coronation

[icy spruce]

E

[frozen pivot]

thats eden btw, the tobleron thingy the prince is hovering above

[south bison]

Maybe it ran smth?

And it was doing well...

until the fall

[icy spruce]

wait what

ye ig

[south bison]

Maybe it was some powersource that crashed and burned at the end?

[lone hull]

The real prince ghost still there, but it become another creature. (Now I am being ridiculous)

[frozen pivot]

i doubt that, but its also possible that they stopped at the prince's

[icy spruce]

uh, kinda confused on what’s happening

so I’ll just lurk

[frozen pivot]

maybe for season's sake?

lol i mean u can ask which part confuses u

[south bison]

we can have lore crumbs, as a treat.

[frozen pivot]

meh

they barely tell us anything and even that is vague

[icy spruce]

ye

canon lore doc

just answers the common questions

[frozen pivot]

i swear if i get the chance to ask smth

[south bison]

raises a plaque

Give us ANSWERSS

[frozen pivot]

im gonna ask why crabs look like walking reese cups

[south bison]

KAKDKEKXSKNC

[icy spruce]

Kitsuu no-

[frozen pivot]

to satiate my salt

[icy spruce]

D:

[south bison]

I like the vagueness. Gives us so many ways of interpretation for whatever story you wanna tell

Some interpret the Prophecy as the arrival of the Skykids, for example

I only wish there was more, though

[frozen pivot]

that interpretation itself leads to some conflicts aswell, especially to those that already have their own respective theories that is concrete to them

[icy spruce]

ye

and uh the debate sometimes turns more than that

[lone hull]

Two princes.

[frozen pivot]

even if u remind urself that its each people's interpretation, is that enough?

but its fun

[icy spruce]

ye, sometimes we have joke debates

and we learn more stuff in other points of view ig

[frozen pivot]

like seeing the concepts just gave me conflicting thoughts about the prince and king being the same entity as i previously believef

[south bison]

Its a fallen kingdom! I feel like a historian piecing together a long gone civilization with what we have. Very fun

I still believe the prince and the king are the same dood

[icy spruce]

me too

but that’s a theory

A SKY THEORY

ANDDDD

COPYRIGHT

[frozen pivot]

well i do too but now i have a contradicting thought about it and its pretty good aswell

[icy spruce]

oooo

can I hear

[south bison]

I like the telling where the prince was sent down from megabird to fix things, but then he got attached to civilization and forgot where he came from. Its just a personal story I keep in mind

[frozen pivot]

and i conveniently forgot about it as i spoke of it

[south bison]

do tell

ISJXDKNXKDJCDOC

[icy spruce]

bruh

[south bison]

wheeze

[icy spruce]

soooo

we need topic

hmm

[frozen pivot]

but its about the king being a king of the othet side

he already existed

its coming back piece by piece so here goes:

the prince is of the light, the king is of the dark

[icy spruce]

Ooooo

[frozen pivot]

it goes along with the theme about light and dark existing and conflicting long before each came into

and ofc both needs someone or something that controls

so in this theory, the darkness actually becomes something similar to light, having some deity

thats where the king comes into play

so in the concepts, darkness is actually a living mass, or acts like one

[south bison]

I always assumed that its bc theyre light creatures that got corrupted

[frozen pivot]

creatures can emerge from dark material

[south bison]

so smth thats alive but got turned into smth else, shaped into smth different

[frozen pivot]

and can corrupt other creatures

thats how far my memory goes

[frozen pivot]

yes, and that in turn becomes a kin of the dark

similar to how krills may and can be controlled by the king in this case

[south bison]

I had this hc that it all began as light; but then greed or some other force turned them into dark creatures

Ofc, I do like the idea of a dark kin

Aka balanced, opposite forces

I had the hc before of how like... Krill being always a part of nature, and they were just natural predators of the light creatures

[frozen pivot]

like, when i thought about it, megabird exists, the very being of light

but theres none with the dark

[south bison]

Now that I think abt it... makes sense why ppl would turn to the dark; to be protected against that kind of scary force

[south bison]

the dark is an absence of light

Maybe just straight up turning away from/defying megabird will cause some shady things to happen

[icy spruce]

flashbacks to Karen the Megakrill

(theory)

[frozen pivot]

like does it only exists as the dark? how did dark work? if it can corrupt and can be cleansed by the light, how come it still managed to devastate the kingdom

like the entirety of the creatures in the kingdom is light

the vault cinematics where it shows all the elder and their murals

[south bison]

Maybe the darkness was like a disease?

Hollow Knight flashbacks

[cosmic willow]

what if the power of light was weakened by darkness

[frozen pivot]

have that line going through inside them that wat i can only assume as being connected by the light

[cosmic willow]

because of the skykids,the light that used to be weak became as strong as it was before the darkness take over

[south bison]

Its a corrupting force; people turned away from the light, and I assume, they cant just survive without it,

So they got sick with the plague of darkness...

[frozen pivot]

i mean one thing is certain for me and its that the dark feeds off the light, thats how the dark can actually overpower the light if it ate enough light

[cosmic willow]

true that

so darkness in sky could be parasitic?

[frozen pivot]

something like the venom thingy

that envelops and slowly swallows its host

so ye

[cosmic willow]

the trapped forest mantas could prove this?

[icy spruce]

oh ye

Dark plants can eat

yknow

ye

light stuff

I mean, crying spirit

[south bison]

sounds like a disease

[pastel hollow]

Well, even if they can easily pass through buildings the quests does say SAVE the manta so that makes sense

[icy spruce]

their friend died

cause darkness plant

[frozen pivot]

in the 'canon' lore or wat it implies atleast, its not that the darkness spread itself, but they got corrupted enough to spread it

[icy spruce]

and in canon doc, they can ye

uh

consume light (dakr plants)

[south bison]

Ive seen many ppl interpret dark plants as...

Negative emotions taking root, and blossoming into the darkness

[frozen pivot]

like anywhere with traces of corruption, theres either pots, diamond cartridges, or factories

[pastel hollow]

This is pretty useless but I guess it explains why you can’t burn the big ones alone

[frozen pivot]

the mantas cant actually noclip lol, unless rhe cage is lined with darkness then maybe

[south bison]

Indeed the darkness cannot spread by itself; but if using that interpretation of negative experience/emotion/whatever being the cause of dark plants

Then maybe spreading that negativity/despair is what caused the darkness to win

like...they lost faith in something. Themselves? Megabird? Just stopped hoping?

[pastel hollow]

Well it could be other way around but you could be right, daylight prairie.
In prairie everyone’s just enjoying themselves but later on, not really (well other than valley)

[cosmic willow]

oh yeah

[south bison]

I see the skykids as beacons of hope, being able to burn that darkness away quite literally

[pastel hollow]

Explains why valley didn’t get corrupted but gw did. In valley there’s just excitement
...the crabs in the temple however?

[south bison]

Yea!

[cosmic willow]

if we follow the gw war theory

[frozen pivot]

ive actually thought about this before and it had some important holes so i didnt believe it as much

[cosmic willow]

what if the destruction and war caused the darkness to become rampant

[frozen pivot]

but it was pre plausible to include emotions into it since the game revolves arounf that among other things

[icy spruce]

perhaps

[frozen pivot]

probably, and its very likely that weaponry involving darkness was involved or atleast it was considering its gw

[south bison]

Holes?

[frozen pivot]

the kingdom, to me atleast had a generally positive environment

everyone seemed to have had a positive life in the earlier realms

and thats telling alot imo

so for negative emotions to just be able to sprout as easily

seems unlikely to me

[south bison]

Well, sometimes as civilizations evolve
The citizens lose touch with themselves and become alienated from whatever they wanna be

[frozen pivot]

welp i dont think the inhabitants had the design imitating ours as human, atleast i doubt tgc intends that or intended it

[south bison]

Theres a theme of tech vs nature here — as ppl started to move farther and farther away from their roots, it was doing things to them...psychologically, if not, then spiritually.

We could read it as a war between light and dark;
Or a light dying out as empires do

Maybe tgc is reminding us abt that kind of alienation and warning against it...

[frozen pivot]

well thats true enough, but that doesnt necessarily harbor negative emotion, if anything technology like that would do the opposite of negative as long as it was used as intended

which in the aftermath, didnt seem like it

[south bison]

Hm.
Going back to the nature vs tech thing —

I see pollution in gw everywhere

Maybe that was doin smth to the inhabitants...

perhaps the death of their world caused their death, too

[frozen pivot]

and from wat i remember going through all the spirits, most, if not all, had their personalities solidified in their reliving, their causes, their reasons, their context that sort of stuff

like everyone could prolly cry likr the crying miner but the miner was the one chosen of all of them

idk how this proves my point but thats the best i can give

[south bison]

I pin that on uhhh

Gameplay mechanics —

Story wise, theres probably a whole civilization of souls that need to be shepherded back to megabird

[frozen pivot]

lol welp theres like, 4 factories or more that u can see in the map or horizon

[south bison]

Said spirits going down to the darkness bc they had turned away from megabird/the light and had destroyed their home; thus destroying themselves

[frozen pivot]

if u consider each elder's city as their own civilizaion, maybe

[south bison]

I consider each realm as a stage in civilization’s growth; not exactlt the same place, but a representation of where civilization stands

[frozen pivot]

headlore, theres only 2 realms thats been deeply involved in the dark process

by that i mean the factories

being forest and gw

isle, prairie, and valley actually have their own temples

valley being the colloseum

[south bison]

So that just goes to show how that separation from nature/balance/megabird is causing darkness(?)

[cosmic willow]

narrative wise it makes sense to put valley between the factory realms

[south bison]

^^ true that

what exactly are they living off of? And not to mention how most of it is hidden. What are they hiding?

[cosmic willow]

forest is like ooh this world isn’t that sunshine and rainbows as you think
valley is like ha forget that,races and fun
gw is ouch scary

kind of like a lot of industrialisation/processing/hardships before the peak,but when they reach that high they become out of touch and more greedy

[south bison]

Which is reflective of a civilization’s growth... theres that awareness of a problem but they choose to ignore it; and then it slaps them on the face later

[cosmic willow]

exploiting the resources

[cosmic willow]

exactly

[south bison]

Yos. Thats where most of my theory is comin from

[frozen pivot]

like i said previously, darkness couldnt have spread itself if not for the corruption it can inflict, so bottomline is, if they havent tapped into tech, none of this wouldve possibly started

[icy spruce]

Ooo, what's the topic of the hour?

[pastel brook]

We’re all Sky all the time here

[frozen pivot]

megan

[pastel brook]

@frozen pivot who dat?

[icy spruce]

w ha t

Resh

hehehe, boi

[frozen pivot]

if resh aint filtered, does that mean the king doesnt exist?

[icy spruce]

DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

[frozen pivot]

this is heresy

welp resh can be an inside joke

everyone knows king

[south bison]

I shouldve made clear that the tapping into tech may have caused the whole negativity thing (“getting out of touch”, “losing harmony with the light”, etc)

[thorny zealot]

75

[icy spruce]

w h at

[thorny zealot]

75

?

[frozen pivot]

yes

[thorny zealot]

Or do you prefer 74?

[frozen pivot]

the under of the frying pan

[thorny zealot]

Hm

Ok

[south bison]

Oh my god I forgot to change my heckin nickname

[icy spruce]

Primce is sadge

[south bison]

AISJDKXN

[frozen pivot]

thats some masterpiece uve got there

the king would be pleased

even if hes sad in that

[lone hull]

[south bison]

WJDJEJXD

I did not realize u can post art here I made uhhh Hollow Knight Sky thing involving lore

[icy spruce]

Also, person with the want some King Propaganda

wanna join King Propaganda inc.

[south bison]

heehee.

[icy spruce]

:)

O

OHOOHHOH

OHOHOHHOHOHOHHOHO

[frozen pivot]

thats some huge crossover

[south bison]

yes I want to join in some king propaganda

[frozen pivot]

very nice indeed

[south bison]

I mean come ON

Both kings tried to kill a god of light!

[icy spruce]

that is true

[south bison]

AND their kingdom died

And the mcs of both games are tiny and wear ponchos

[icy spruce]

THAT IS SO TRUE

[frozen pivot]

i forgot the name of the game

[south bison]

mcs may or may not be the same race/species as the king

Hollow Knight?

[frozen pivot]

and all i remember on the playthroughs i watched is a grandma scamming u and u beating the hell out of the grandma to get ur coins back

i havent played the game

[icy spruce]

me too

[cosmic willow]

barely heard of it>_>

[icy spruce]

I've heard about it and some of the lore (like, 0.001 of the lore)

[south bison]

both fandoms also scream king propaganda

Most of lore discussion is the king, I mean

[icy spruce]

O

guess who's gonna check out Hollow Knight again?