lore-discussion-spoilers

[shut trellis]

It’s funny because I hate real history but I like fictional lore
||Maybe Sky isn’t fictional||

[tranquil pike]

That is a good question. But also afaik there aren’t any dark humanoids like how there are light humanoids, only dark creatures (though of course the both sides statement still applies if there are only dark creatures and plants)

[naive stratus]

oh btw, idk if their linked but light skid looks like your skid when they go up in the end trial cutscene (not the complete trial)

[willow pumice]

What if we are literally playing the life story of prince?

[frozen pivot]

give lore

a similar thought. in trials, were actually going through stages in life of prince/king

i havent thought on how it'll work with each trials but ye i think thats possible considering prophecy puts the prince/king in the spotlight

[hushed steeple]

Who's prince?

[frozen pivot]

a small version of king

[mint widget]

^

[hushed steeple]

Who's king

[frozen pivot]

the tall and strong version of prince

[hushed steeple]

What the-

[frozen pivot]

and u should bow before him

[agile epoch]

In the concept art, they were gonna have a king elder for Eden, but it got scrapped, but pieces of him still exist in the game, like statues and some markings

[frozen pivot]

and orbit boi

[agile epoch]

And the constellation for the best-friends thing was supposedly going to be Eden's constellation but I don't remember where I heard that

But that's prob why it's crown shaped

[frozen pivot]

it is a crown

theres literally pieces laid out waiting to be connected but i havent seen any theories or docs about the crown that are solid, not saying that as an insult but king's lore is pre interesting and is definitely connected to us aswell

[agile epoch]

The constellation thing?

Or just King in general

[frozen pivot]

both

[agile epoch]

In the concept art, there's a lot about the king. That he selected 6 Ancestors (when he was prince) to create their civilizations in their own area of the sky kingdoms, that he became corrupted and was supposed to be the entirety of the storm that is in Eden, etc.

[frozen pivot]

i can go on about things i notice about stuff that might relate to the king that involves some old popular theories as reference, that i cant name cus i forgot most of them and only remember the details

[agile epoch]

Even things like that his name was Aleth/Resh and other things too

I know it's just concept art though and doesn't mean it's canon

[frozen pivot]

welp thats the easier side, but the 'stories' are pre confusing to try and make theories about so i mainly focus on the characters

[agile epoch]

But it's really cool to see the development of what they did originally have for stories and such

[frozen pivot]

like how something may be or how it came to be

connecting dots and such

[agile epoch]

Yeah, I guess it can be difficult to interpret the drawings on the walls, spirits' memories, etc.

From those, I feel the most prominent notion is using boats for travel, gathering supplies (light, stuff in the ground like charcoal or something), there used to be a huge advancement in technology

And you can infer that they were trying to build back up to their original home, but of course there's something that created the storm and corrupted things, making everyone stuck and dead, and now we're here to guide them home

In the intro too, in the English version, it mentions "If only they listened..."

Which makes me believe they got greedy or did something foolish that caused the storm/corruption

[frozen pivot]

welp thats the whole story of sky in a nutshell

its the popular opinion rather

[agile epoch]

Which a lot theorized that's what that crystal in Eden is

is like them using too much power and it exploded

[frozen pivot]

oh speaking of diamonds

i think megan is a galactic overlord

[agile epoch]

Is Megan Megabirb?

[frozen pivot]

yes

[agile epoch]

Idk why but Megan puts me off as a name 😩

[naive stratus]

why are the drawings only activated by doing a certain action btw? Were they for the skids?

[frozen pivot]

murals?

[agile epoch]

It just makes me think it's like... one of those glow in the dark things

You need light to show them

[frozen pivot]

murals only appearing when candles are lit?

[agile epoch]

Because they wanted to be cool, idk

[naive stratus]

honestly that sounds legit

[frozen pivot]

or something has been triggered

[naive stratus]

maybe it’s comfidential??

[frozen pivot]

i dont think so, it is likely that its for the skids

take the ark murals for example

they are very much likely to have been painted over to tell a message

and ancestors knew about our existence long before the disaster struck, courtesy of prophecy

[agile epoch]

I feel it's like maybe um... one part like... they didn't really have that much source of materials. So, they used light to make markings, so it needs light to be seen. And they want to tell the stories of what happened for things since it doesn't seem like they have much use for verbal or written communication, so they wanna mark it somewhere.

But I also see them being signs to help the moths understand the world because-- oh, that's interesting, the "they are very much likely to have been painted over to tell a message
and ancestors knew about our existence long before the disaster struck, courtesy of prophecy", so that could be a thing too

[naive stratus]

what other species could possibly stumble upon the weird planet of Sky 🤔

[frozen pivot]

everything weird

u ever heard of whurtles?

[naive stratus]

I- what are those-

[frozen pivot]

they basically turtles with dragon heads i think they were

the bones u see in graveyard are from them

[naive stratus]

oh god-

[frozen pivot]

they're called whurtles for whales - turtles, hence whurtles

and judging from their bones, theyre gigantic

[agile epoch]

I'm tempted to draw what a lot of the creatures looked like because even in concept art, not a lot of them are covered aside from the whales, mantas, butterflies, birds, and what not.

Because we do have masks for certain creatures, which could mean those types of light creatures used to exist but they didn't make it through the corruption

[frozen pivot]

so im looking forward to seeing new areas introducing new faunas that might've survived other than whales

[agile epoch]

I also just want an excuse to draw cute deer 😩

Whales, butterflies, birbs, and mantas seemed to have thrived

However, I will mention, that I have a theory that none of them are actually there at all

That this is all a big memory timescape

And those just happen to be the last ones to go

[frozen pivot]

whales are one thing, cus they're deemed neutral, organic

[agile epoch]

Oh right. Yeah, because the other stuff was light manifestations

And that's why whales have bones

Because they're also like... charcoal or soemthing

Some kind of earth

[frozen pivot]

but going by the theory i had about different varieties of creatures, light whales should exist

like how theres 2 current types of mantas, cosmic and light, i think theres an organic one aswell and the other mentioned ones are just imitations of the neutral ones

tho i think the light variations are limited to creatures that can take flight

and soar through the clouds

thus, as sad as it may be, i dont think there are light crabs

[agile epoch]

RIP light crabs

I have a headcanon for moths who join the krill that can hug the crabs for flight levels

[frozen pivot]

lul

[tranquil pike]

There are technically light crabs. In the smaller land forms in Sanctuary Islands you can find a crab that isn’t covered in darkness and doesn’t attack you

[agile epoch]

I want to show crabs some love they deserve

[frozen pivot]

if they light, they will give u light

[agile epoch]

I thought they were still angry lil' one, but I zoom too much around there to find out

[frozen pivot]

but similar to whales, they dont

even if they dont attack u

[agile epoch]

they got some earth stuff mixed in

Thus not a true light source ig

[tranquil pike]

What would a light krill look like...

[frozen pivot]

a light krill

OH maybe there are organic krills

neutral ones

and the ones we see are corrupted

thats why we see krills in prophecy flying around on the murals

[tranquil pike]

I never paid attention to the prophecy murals, there were krills in them?

[frozen pivot]

they are depicted as ancient creatures aswell

yes

i remember seeing krills from a mural somewhere in forest im not sure

[agile epoch]

I think they'd be just white versions, less spiky, maybe a lil' smaller. If I remember the murals right, 'cause I know they're up on there too. I think the last time I saw one was in the trial's murals

[tranquil pike]

I see. I’ll have to check out the murals sometime then

[agile epoch]

But I only say small because I guess they're simplified versions

[frozen pivot]

canon?

[agile epoch]

Yeah, when I first played in 2019 I was obsessed with looking at the walls, recently I've just been zooming around though

[tranquil pike]

I never paid any attention to the murals in Sky because I don’t have the patience to analyze them

[agile epoch]

But I've been going back to look at stuff again

[agile epoch]

I hope

Bb shrimps

[tranquil pike]

Shrimp (affectionate)

[frozen pivot]

off topic but the geography of ark is weird

krills are pre confusing aswell

apparently the way they hurt us is they hit us with a wind barrier smth smth when they charge at us

but they removed dmg from hitting surfaces too fast

so idk

[agile epoch]

They just tryna chomp at them lights

they hungy

[tranquil pike]

Strange

What if there were bioluminescent krill

Cuz theres bioluminescent shrimp irl

[agile epoch]

👀

Like, them invisible-ish ones?

[tranquil pike]

Like this

[frozen pivot]

they dont have mouth tho, the krills

early concepts had tho

HUGE ones too

[agile epoch]

The uh... try to absorb instead of nom

[agile epoch]

glow boi

[frozen pivot]

i think that would've been cooler than the lame flying shrimps we have

[agile epoch]

How dare

RIP Krill

[tranquil pike]

Maybe light krill would look ljke that. Bioluminescent shramps

[agile epoch]

That'd be pretty

Like the cosmic mantas

[tranquil pike]

Yeah!

Another example of biolumin shrimps

[frozen pivot]

while in the topic, the cosmic creatures in vault actually have bones

[tranquil pike]

But then they drank the bone removal juice

[frozen pivot]

while vault is a dream like thingy, they're basically ghosts

the cosmic call have manta bones, the huge manta amalgamation at last floor does too

[agile epoch]

I wouldn't be surprised if the whole world is a dream. Like some projections of memories. But then it makes me think of like, it's just megabirb being like, "This is your test to see if you are worthy of home, tiny moth". There's a lot of holes to it, but everything does have such a... "this isn't really here" vibe

[frozen pivot]

true, but i think its just cus sky is weird in general

[agile epoch]

Even the elders. Like, they're there, but NOT here-here

[frozen pivot]

like theres so many things thats hard to make sense with

like u said, the elders

[tranquil pike]

I think the meetings with the elders are a sort of dream state, like with the vault

[frozen pivot]

it is

[tranquil pike]

I think everything else is real tho

[agile epoch]

That's what it all feels like. Like, maybe we're in a spirit-world type thing, since we do have to take them all home. They're all just lost, and certain things cause certain memories we happen to embody the POV for

[frozen pivot]

we medidate in temples

then the elder cinematic pops in

but the only elders that actually have a shrine/temple is isle and prairie

[agile epoch]

I thought they all had their little shrines, just in the major building of the area rather than a temple like Daleth and Ayin

Ah, sorry, IOD and DP elders

Idk if I should use their concept names because not everyone does, but I think they're pretty to use skdjnfs

[frozen pivot]

they fanon

[agile epoch]

I could've sworn it came from the concept art

Which, ofc not canon still

But like, the names are pretty

[frozen pivot]

they were canon but the canon-not canon thing happened

so now everything is fanon

tho that doesnt mean u shouldn't use em

[agile epoch]

But I thought fanon = fan-made

[frozen pivot]

its fine

ye

i read from a deleted doc about it, clarifying things

[agile epoch]

Thatgamecompany are now just fans confirmed /s

[frozen pivot]

i guess

[agile epoch]

Just joking skdjnfs

[frozen pivot]

anyway where were we

oh ye temples

elders are close enough to make contact with them by meditating, but only isle and prairie elders have actual temples

the rest have are factories

which is connected to progression i think

cus in prophecy murals, forest is depicted as the one that had the first techs

[agile epoch]

There's also mines and such, indicated the land was used for materials

[frozen pivot]

and even if u dont read through the murals

the very first factory u'll encounter is the forest elder's

actuallllllllllly

if, lets say, the place that the cinematic takes place on is their temple, then the forest elder is the only one that has a factory as their temple

the valley twin's temple would be the stadium/coliseum

gw's temple would be the vault gates

and vault elder's temple is the peak

[agile epoch]

Yeah, it does feel like each place is kind of a temple due to the shrines in place.

Like, those major areas became their temples

[frozen pivot]

yes

[agile epoch]

Due to their role in their perspective civilizations

Because each area feels like it had their own purpose, contributing to the probable goal of going back to home/space

[frozen pivot]

i dont think their role is relevant, cus their role as elders is generally to rule over

i think its their characters

that depicts each cities or civ for that matter, that they rule over

its their influence

[agile epoch]

I just meant they kind of had sub-roles in a way. Like Forest Elder has like, this black-smith vibe, the other one containing light in jars, isle elder guiding the light (maybe people in general since I think he was a ferry-like elder), and so on

They all kind of have like... something they did that helped contribute to what maybe the spirits in their area did

[frozen pivot]

and while the cinematics implies that the elders longed to go back home, i think its not that but rather we make them remember the light and the light calls to them still

oooh i see

[frozen pivot]

wat im implying is that, since they were cast away for so long, they forgot the light and was occupied by the civilization theyve established since

until the destruction struck and now, they felt lost

no light, no civilization to rule over

[agile epoch]

Ohh yeah yeah

Def the cutscene's vibes

[frozen pivot]

thats why i said, the light still calls

and i dont think they were ever cast away because they were naughty and megan had enough of their mischievous shenanigans, now i think the "fallen stars" smth smth was not before they were sent down

but after they destroyed wat they made

they didnt fall from the heavens, but fell from grace from failing wat they built

like us, being sent down to save the 'fallen stars', the elders were sent to guide the ancestors

[pulsar iris]

....anyone know why we can't see eden from home??

[frozen pivot]

because the planet isnt flat? idk

[agile epoch]

According to the maps, we're just too far from everything

Like, you're going more up and up kind of through each area

and Eden high up there

[frozen pivot]

or were on the other side of the world somewhere in the middle of nothing

perfect for placing portals that can take u realms in an instant

im just trying to make the boat that visits as a part of the lore lmao

like, voyagers exists

[agile epoch]

I feel we are on a small island, that has a vast ocean before you actually see where Isl of Dawn is, and I think home used to be a special place for higher-ranked beings that can only be accessed from the Vault area but then they we were like, "portal shrines everywhere"

[frozen pivot]

theres literally docks in prairie and a voyager spirit in isle

[agile epoch]

I almost considered IoD as home to 2 seconds

skdjfs

[frozen pivot]

and something like a boat garage in entrance of forest

[agile epoch]

But uh yeah, I think Isle of Dawn was a big transportation area

[frozen pivot]

or, if u think about it in a geographic perspective, isle and gw is the only realms at ground level

[agile epoch]

Because there's some stuff we can imply that the Isle of Dawn elder had a ferry-guide role sort of

Yeah, that big spoop cloud brings you back down

Could be a larger extension of Isle of dawn, or a big detached island, while the other areas were in the clouds

Sanctuary also goes to ground level too though which is cool

[frozen pivot]

which makes prairie not that high from the ground actually

[agile epoch]

Yeah. From some maps I've seen and how it feels in the worlds, each place elevates up more and more, but then goes back down near the storm area, then at the base of the storm is the vault

[frozen pivot]

a rough guess, but i think it goes from valley as the highest city, valley goes down to gw and a vault portal is guarded in gw

but vault is actually on top of eden as its peak

[agile epoch]

That's what I meant with the storm area. That it goes up until that point, you're pushed down into GW.

But that's interesting for vault to be top of Eden. Why do you think that?

[frozen pivot]

u fly past the vault summit in orbit

[agile epoch]

Mm

[tough marten]

so basically vault is the "library" that was always there like how eden was always there as a place to give our light back. I believe that eden used to be a safer place where you just put your winged lights and leave and you never needed to die....until darkness came :')

elevating up and up probably means that the technology is getting better and things like that (I believe that each realm is in a different time period)

and gw is low to indicate all the wars and stuff (i believe that it's the war between the valley twins)

so everyone who still remained after the battle tried to get to vault, but a small library can't fit everyone, so some people had to stay behind

but it was too late and darkness still got into eden, which is connected to vault, so the spirits had to focus on protecting vault instead of fixing eden and that's why eden is how it is now

[agile epoch]

That's cool to think of it like that :^O

[frozen pivot]

the thing is tho, the very last floor after meditating in vault, is of a physical one

its not part of the ethereal vault

so this is wat i think the structure of vault is:
entrance is guarded in gw temple
the hallway leads to the ground floor which is still part of the gw temple and the elevator only goes up to the library at first floor

up until then, the dream state activates, but you're actually transported/teleported to eden's social space on the very last 'floor' after meditating

so basically u go back down

basically vault sits between a thin boundary between ethereal and physical existence, thats why both can exist simultaneously

hence the dream state elevator thingy smth smth

vault weird, i dont like vault

[tough marten]

yep

[frozen pivot]

but its these things thats very fun to try and make sense of

[tough marten]

maybe we are teleported to the mini model of vault in eden entrance

because megabird still needs sacrifices

[frozen pivot]

i mean probably

[tough marten]

but they can't risk letting darkness get into vault by opening up a door straight from vault

[frozen pivot]

its unlikely that its the darkness their trying to protect it form

but rather its a very fragile place

thats why very few spirits are there

they're called scholars

[tough marten]

vault is mostly made of light, and what's the opposite of light?

[frozen pivot]

i think its in the deleted doc with dev quotes from a livestream, something along the lines of "vault is so fragile it can break" smth smth

so basically, not everyone can just easily come in and meander about in vault

its also used as some sort of storage

for memory cells

those glowing thingies on the walls

in archive and library

[agile epoch]

I've also heard that only very certain people were only allowed, and that's why there's exclusively a Home portal in vault instead of a portal shrine like elsewhere. And considering Home seems to be kind of an excluded area that allows you to go anywhere at ease, I feel that also creates a limited access of who can go travel easily through each area rather than sky-boat transportation

[lethal stump]

deleted doc ? what ?

[hushed steeple]

Consider what Vault is positioned between : some sort of bionuclear wasteland and a fatal windstorm earthquake volcanic eruption of early Earth-like proportions.

Then watch 2001: A Space Odyssey

[rugged jackal]

History of the crab?

Not in any order

[livid valley]

Rock with feet

[chrome valve]

Question: What are sky children? Like, what are we made of? When we start the game, we fall from the sky like a star, so are we stars??

And our capes and hair don't have any shadow, so I assume those are made purely out of light

But what about us?

[true basin]

So in a nutshell

Crabs fell from the heavens
People panicked but then thought they looked delicious and began taking them to gw to be roasted on sticks :pPopcorn: :SkyLOL:

[rugged jackal]

I’ll bet their strength stems from fire, at least. Recharge comes from light and other players, and extinguished is a thing. I could go on, but I bet you get it.

[lethal nebula]

Crabs would have taken the place, have multiplied to the point that the inhabitants panic and move, taking water from the lake in the process .

[chrome valve]

Please go on

[lone rampart]

i read somewhere official about sky where each realm is supposed to represent a part of life?
how isle is supposed to be the start of a life. how everything is so big and grand and there’s so much room for exploration. i feel like before the “time” of our present sky kid- the one that is tasked to reach “the light” whilst reliving the memories of the fallen sky civilizations- the isle would be exactly as it seems. it sort of feels like the humble countryside compared to valley and vault and maybe even (past) golden wasteland
prairie seems like a continuation of isle slowly transitioning to urbanization. i feel like if the spirits of the sky kingdoms were still here way before our present sky kid ever fell down, there would be a handful of lights/sky children living in prairie?
i feel like forest would be the further urbanization of prairie. the lights now understand technology and i just feel like forest is a test of their capabilities. they’ve settled down and even built homes in an area where you wouldnt expect sky children / lights to be living at, it rains there but with their magic and technology, they’ve made buildings and creations etc to withstand this heavy rainfall- also pspspsp anvil elder pspspsp

[hushed steeple]

When we become extinguished and die, we go back to the same grey character but parts of us like our hair disappears. That can only mean the grey characters are the base, but what is the base made out of? And why are the accessories made out of light?

[rugged jackal]

Well, the accessories come from spirits, except moth clothes

[chrome valve]

Yeah, that's what I'm wondering aswell

[restive cosmos]

I have a theory that sky kids are symbolically jesus

[rugged jackal]

The more you think about it the more it makes sense and I’m freaking out

[hushed steeple]

Yes but those accessories are still made from light. (Or so we assume) I still don’t understand the whole significance of spirits giving us gifts

[restive cosmos]

They tell us how to make light exactly like their cosmetics

[rugged jackal]

We have wandered into the territory that I suck at theorizing on

Back to lurking

[hushed steeple]

This is part of many theories, but maybe the skykids were sent by the elders to restore the world after it was destroyed.

The skykids then need to seek help from the elders along the way in order to put back what once was lost

[nocturne cape]

So i went to eden today and it sparked this theory in my head :
So basically the statues that we give wl to in eden...i headcannon that they are sky kids like us but their existence was with a different purpose : unlike us they were soldiers that existed before us current sky kids and and their purpose was to bring down the king of eden(who is possibly the reason why all lights fell from the skies and heavens) however due to the king's immense power powered by endless darkness the soldiers fell and were forever cursed and turend to the statues we see in eden today(i also headcanonn that the king absorb their light which explains why he is so powerful).
Us sky kids of today our job is to bring the fallen soldiers back to the heavens. We are created with ability to be reborn so the king can ever curse us. .
After our mission is done we ascend to the heavens, greeted by the soldiers and are rewareded for freeing them from the terrible curse.
The cycle goes on. Nobody knows how many soldiers are out there waiting to be freed but when the day comes when all of them are freed us sky kids will ascend to the heavens as well and stay there and the mission will passed on to stronger soldiers that are created both the light of the sky kids that were before us and ourselves and will take care of bringing down the evil king of eden. And the world of sky will be finally purified of darkness.

Idk man just a theory 😂😅

[hushed steeple]

I mean maybe that’s why the dark plants exist, maybe they represent the brokenness and destruction

[hushed steeple]

Man ya’ll think deeply

[rugged jackal]

Woah
Maybe they’ll make a second game with that premise You smart!

[chrome valve]

I still wonder what our bodies is made of

Cape and hair are out of light, but the rest??

[tranquil pike]

This is a great theory! Personally I believe the statues are past sky kids who failed to go into orbit once they reached eden

[lethal nebula]

It's a very good question, I admit that I don't really know either ..

[nocturne cape]

Glad you like it hihi ^^ i hope so as well i love that theory

[lethal nebula]

Maybe we're a little dark cause there's always a balance

[hushed steeple]

Sky feels very spiritual to me, that’s why I like it. It feels like a fictional story as well as something connected to the story of real life and life after death

[tranquil pike]

Perhaps our bodies are a sort of vessel for the light. Maybe we’re made out of stone also, since there are the statues you return the wl to, and how you shatter into stone pieces when you die in eden

Though that also kind of makes flying a little weird bc then you’d be super heavy lol

[lethal nebula]

I never paid attention to the fact that we break like a stone when we die in Eden

[lethal nebula]

Oh, oh yeah

[hushed steeple]

Skykids are definitely some kind of non-human creature but at the same time I think they are supposed to look human like because of the theme of life and death. Like the game is meant to apply to real life and have a deeper meaning

[tranquil pike]

Something else I’ve just noticed as well is that when you shatter, the little soul you leave behind is blue, which is mostly associated w darkness in the game.... though I think I’m overspeculating

[hushed steeple]

Just like the mention of each realm representing a different stage of life

[tranquil pike]

Which kind of goes hand-in-hand with us possibly being made out of a little darkness

[rugged jackal]

Maybe we look like humans because, in the end, this is a video game on planet earth and the TGC decided humans because why do you think.

I dunno am I ruining something?

[hushed steeple]

Let me be creative

[rugged jackal]

Heh, sorry

[gilded spoke]

The reason we see our friends is because the diamond exploded which made us all die including our friends and land

during rebirth

[tranquil pike]

Speaking of darkness... I don’t believe the dark creatures, like the krill, are inherently evil or anything of the sort. Really at all times they’re kind of just doing their own thing, unless a player comes along and disturbs them.... I think they’re just looking to be left alone

[tranquil pike]

Ohh, neat idea. I noticed on my last eden run that in orbit i saw the names of my friends in the links of ascended sky kids who were holding hands

Even though there’s no possible way we all could’ve been in orbit at the same time

[rugged jackal]

To me they were just starved out of their mind which caused them to become desperate, hence the bones in wasteland

Well, twilight will always be my krill friend

[tranquil pike]

Whomst is twilight?

[rugged jackal]

The first krill a moth should see excluding forgotten ark Would you mind saying hi to her next time you see her?

[hushed steeple]

..i never thought about it that way

[tranquil pike]

Of course! Always happy to see a krill

[hushed steeple]

She has a name?

[rugged jackal]

Yeah!

[hushed steeple]

I enjoy flying near krills and just vibing with them they don’t seem scary to me, more like peaceful souls who just got lost

[rugged jackal]

Same same! Playing with them is so fun!

[tranquil pike]

I think the krill are cute but at the same time having to sneak past them. Scawy

[rugged jackal]

I lost my fear of krills a long time ago

[tranquil pike]

Maybe krill were originally a creature who were then infected by darkness. Or maybe they were always darkness, but there’s a way to remove that darkness... i bring this up because on the archipelago in Sanctuary Islands you can find crabs who aren’t dark and don’t attack you

[hushed steeple]

they're called dark dragons, so maybe they were light dragons- im assuming they were just shrimps in the sea that got corrupted though

As long as you’re good at flying and know the home trick, it’s super fun and almost relaxing to hang out with the krills in wasteland

[velvet berry]

How are we gonna chill with the krill if the glitch gets patched? 😬 I mean, I can’t think of an in-game or lore reason we SHOULD be able to avoid getting smacked

[gilded spoke]

the only canon thing in beta is the diamond exploding

[livid valley]

though home trick is not part of the game only a glitch that almost every player uses because of how famous it is which quite make it part of the game since how much its used and maybe why it wasnt removed until now

[pseudo heart]

Yeah,, TGC takes into account of the glitches even OOBs that are loved by players that don't do harm or disadvantage others and as much as possible, avoids patching them as long as it doesn't hinder the development of the game

[short owl]

The r Rainbow Bridge is an example of that

I hope they don't close off Valley Twins Oob any time soon. It's a good thinking spot

[dark hull]

I had a thought:
If we consider the Two Shields War theory canon, then why would Tsadi, the general of the king, have a shield that presumably belongs to the side that sided with the Megabird/light creatures?

[icy spruce]

cause he betrayed King?

[dark hull]

It seems weird to me that they would have both a shrine and the sun shield, assuming the shrines were still built while the king reigned

[dark hull]

Maybe, but then I feel like the king wouldn't let Tsadi continue to hold position of general -> no shrine
Maybe it was too late for the king to cast out Tsadi bc he was so corrupted

[hushed steeple]

I like to think the war was cut a little short and the factions where forced to merge due to darkness getting to be more of a problem. Its really hard to fight a war when giant shrimp keep eating both sides!

[icy spruce]

Well, imo the shrine was built in the early King reign

And the tst theory was like

Somewhere ykniw

*yknow

Almost at the end of King’s reign

[dark hull]

Yeah, I guess the king wasn’t able to demote Tsadi by the time the TSW was occurring

[icy spruce]

ye

Ig so

[dark hull]

Right, I was going to sleep but then you pinged me xD
So now I’m going sneep snorp

[slate whale]

Do you think sky kids cannonly marry when they are sky ADULTS?

[icy spruce]

well, skids can’t grow up as adults

canonically

they just stay as skids

[pseudo heart]

Or you know.. They're just called children

Like how Christians are called the Children of God .....

Or are they—

BUT U GET THE IDEA

[frozen pivot]

they may not grow but that doesnt necessarily mean they cant marry for topic's sake

[livid valley]

mh

[pseudo heart]

Marry—

[frozen pivot]

sky children*

[pseudo heart]

Oh

[frozen pivot]

because u know, they dropped from the sky

and they look like small children

[pseudo heart]

I wheezed so hard djenndnnshdy

[frozen pivot]

and little did the ancestors know that they're talking to little 10000 year old ticking time bombs of chaos waiting to blast u with inaudible honks

[icy spruce]

but little do the sky kids know....that ancestors are actually just memories of that spirit

[frozen pivot]

they prolly know

i mean they wouldn't save em and think of them like light fungis if they didnt know wat they were

[icy spruce]

oh, now that I remembered that. what if before they died, the memories we relived are like what they were thinking before they died

lmao, the dude from uhhhh I forgot which season was thinking about how to cook crabs

[frozen pivot]

its possible but that doesnt really have a definite answer right now

[icy spruce]

true

[frozen pivot]

its also possible that it could be from before they died or a memory they hold represent theirselves as

like, we doesnt know if the faint spirit died there on the spot or he was found and that fainting was the last memory he had before fainting and had stuck on him since

[icy spruce]

ye

perhaps some of the uh memories were the last moments while some are like what they're last thinking

[frozen pivot]

if i was a warrior, fainting would be the most embarrassing thing for me, that sort of thing

[icy spruce]

or the memories that affected them the most

[frozen pivot]

yes

[icy spruce]

prollyyy

[frozen pivot]

u can actually relate them to portergeists

or spirits that linger even after death

because of something that happened in their life that doesnt let them move on

take the crying spirit for example

every ancestor can prolly cry but shes specifically the one that'll give u thr crying emote

some expression that u have to relive have either a story to emphasize that emotion or tell why or how that expression is expressed

smth like that

[icy spruce]

O

I have no words so uh

O

[frozen pivot]

lol

i am fun at parties

[icy spruce]

E

so

uh

uhh

what now

[frozen pivot]

dunno

[icy spruce]

hmmmmmmmmmmm

[frozen pivot]

oh, i think megan is a galactic overlord

[icy spruce]

O?

[frozen pivot]

i recently made a theory about it

i think it makes sense

[icy spruce]

this is why I love MFC

[frozen pivot]

mfc?

[icy spruce]

Megan Fried Chicken

it's King Propaganda's latest shop

thing

yes

[frozen pivot]

lmao

[icy spruce]

it's mitten lickin' good

[frozen pivot]

seems about right

[icy spruce]

lol

[frozen pivot]

legit, think that'll sell

[icy spruce]

yes

[frozen pivot]

also the unsuprising riot about the sprinkler spirit 2nd season

it was kinda funny

[icy spruce]

wait what

[frozen pivot]

imagine tgc bamboozles us with sprinkler but they actually put in the whole squad of season of gratitude

[icy spruce]

O

OH YE

TOMORROW IS APRIL FOOLS DAY

[frozen pivot]

lol

[icy spruce]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[livid valley]

time to troll

[frozen pivot]

[harsh pecan]

Isn’t it ironic how the elder of the realm that’s supposedly represents birth looks the oldest

[icy spruce]

lol

and the realm that represent adult

is a teen

or maybe early 20s

actually, early 20s makes sense

yay

uh

so

lore

[frozen pivot]

maybe thats the thing aswell

he looks the oldest because elders grows bakwards

which would make the twins the oldest

lmao

[icy spruce]

or maybe

it's like

oh ye, I remember a theory

about the elders are like: how we see adults or smthng

like: when we baby

we see adults as reaally old

and uh when we adults: we see other adults as teens

or smthng

[frozen pivot]

wat

[flint schooner]

Someone from TGC said in some interview the children see adults REALLY old! And that's why they did it, I will try to look for the source later

[icy spruce]

no idea, just a theory I remembered last month

[icy spruce]

yep, this one

this is what I meant lol

[frozen pivot]

true

[flint schooner]

Can't remember if that was in an interview or in some commentary from concept works, but yeah! It's even more than a theory I would say! That explains the twins too, as that would be the time when we see others as "equals" (or something along those lines)

[frozen pivot]

amma go in a tangent, but i think thats exactly why the king is the only one that is masked

so u can never tell whether they can be an equal or an adult

an authorative figure among the elders

which is why we hail the king

eyo propaganda commence

[flint schooner]

Wait aren't all they masked though?

[icy spruce]

but it's not covering their face

ig

but then Valley twins

[frozen pivot]

yes, exactly

the king is the only one with a mask-mask

[flint schooner]

But what you say can make sense if we think of the king as "big thing with tiny prince inside", so we don't really know if he's old or young, big or small

[frozen pivot]

yes, hence why

its possible that its a mech suit

but hey, the prince is the only one thats been coronated

maybe being coronated is something akin to evolving

[flint schooner]

Though I kinda always saw all the elders with masks masks covering their faces

[frozen pivot]

thats maybe how the prince came to be the very big, tall and strong king

its a stone mask

but atleast they have a recognizable face

because, a star will never be a normal face

like this oh so glorious, majestic image of the king

now u tell me thats a face of a face

[flint schooner]

Yes, that's true, it's sure the king's mask is different from everyone's else!
I think Moreover looking at some concept works you can see something very close to his mask used to represent corruption

[violet bridge]

Tall blond and gorgeous

[frozen pivot]

indeed indeed

[icy spruce]

I know right, so handsome

and intelligent

[flint schooner]

Their long hair flowing freely in the wind

[icy spruce]

I know right

[frozen pivot]

its all finn

[icy spruce]

and,,and

so tall

just absolutely mesmerising

[frozen pivot]

im in awe

[icy spruce]

unlike that bird over there

disgusting

[frozen pivot]

i cant even make theories now, ive been hinged by the king's image

ooh, glorious

[icy spruce]

only good if they're MFC (Megabirb fried chicken)

me too

[frozen pivot]

canon?

[icy spruce]

I have an urge to make more King Propaganda ads

[violet bridge]

I wonder what are they gonna do once they use isle maybe and vault as places for next season. Will they make a season located on eden?

[icy spruce]

they prolly not gonna make a season in eden :(

unless...

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[frozen pivot]

nah they wouldnt

[icy spruce]

ye

I mean, we don't see any spirits in Eden :(

[violet bridge]

Man i need an eden update

[icy spruce]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

ye, we need Eden lore

[lyric isle]

what if the reason it’s Sparkler just before Assembly is to stop them from robbing the treehouse

[flint schooner]

Maybe they will keep on exploring the previous realms, I don't think we will embark on jolly cooperation in eden, lore-wise that wouldn't make much sense

But I'm all for an eden update (though I think eden is already perfect hahahahahaha)

[violet bridge]

I wish we could meet the eden elder

It's the king right?

[lyric isle]

Sparkler’s a thief

[icy spruce]

ye, but sadly we can't save him FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[frozen pivot]

id like to be able to traverse through the kingdom in a proper way

no going home, just pure adventure

[lyric isle]

is seen raiding the storage rooms

[icy spruce]

well, a lot of people thinks King/Prince is the Eden Elder

but some does not

[frozen pivot]

like theres other ways to go to other realms

[icy spruce]

we don't know who is Eden Elder

but King/Prince are a candidate

[violet bridge]

It's gotta be either of them

[frozen pivot]

cus the kingdom isnt all flying and seperated

[flint schooner]

You've read the commentary of the first draf idea for the game, right? Us giving all our souls to save the prince and such?

[violet bridge]

:0

[icy spruce]

ye

[frozen pivot]

its hard to believe it now tbh

with all the more compelling theories thats popped up here

even if the devs said it themselves, i think itll just confuse wat has been built here

[flint schooner]

Yeah, it was from a game mechanic point of view and I think the present situation in eden is much emotional and strong. But it was interesting to see the prince was someone we could redeem somehow

[frozen pivot]

i doubt theres even a canon side of story that tgc is hiding

like it makes more sense to me now that tgc thought of this, letting the community make the lore

[flint schooner]

I totally agree about that, and I think they made a very concious decision for us players to discover the world's story (and history)

[frozen pivot]

but still strictly reminds us that we can freely interpret the same thing for ourselves

[flint schooner]

It's the beauty of sky's lore!

[frozen pivot]

so we wouldnt think that there is no canon lore

[violet bridge]

I wanna know who broke into the library secret room in vault

[frozen pivot]

no one

[violet bridge]

Nah someone did

[frozen pivot]

it was decaying and a hole popped up when they did stumble upon vault's archive

[lyric isle]

Wise Stance

[violet bridge]

The floors are broken and thers ladders and they are flooded with water and crabs

[frozen pivot]

the kingdom didnt succumb to extinction in one strike

[violet bridge]

An attack

[icy spruce]

oh ye, the crabs are actually powerful enough to destroy walls (well, tiny bits of it. it'll take very long to destroy the wall ya know?)

[frozen pivot]

it went on for god knows how long until the spirits eventually died off of it

[icy spruce]

it says in the canon lore doc

and plus, the secret library thing is like

super old

so uh

lol

[violet bridge]

Where can i read all the Canon lore?

[icy spruce]

O

wait

[frozen pivot]

actually, its the gw elder thats guarding the vault entrance

maybe thats wat theyrw hiding

[icy spruce]

ye

[frozen pivot]

not because theyre hiding the secret ingredients or smth

[icy spruce]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit?usp=sharing

canon lore doc

[violet bridge]

Thanks mate

[icy spruce]

no problem

[frozen pivot]

for all we know, theyre hiding the real secret guide to being a succesful trader in candle stocks

in the archives

we wouldnt really know

[icy spruce]

lmao

[livid valley]

lmao

[frozen pivot]

but ye, i dont think someone deliberately broke in and smashed a hole in archives

cus they didnt even know that the archives wouldve existed

only scholars would

[flint schooner]

I guess the holes are a lvl design thing; you don't have to mod stairs, just put a hole and let your audience break their minds over what caused the hole

[frozen pivot]

and id like to think that as vault being as weird and confusing as it is, being a structure built between a thin boundary between the physical dimension and space and time

archives seems to be sitting on the space and time plane, hidden there as a physical structure

[icy spruce]

oops wrong info

sorry

crabs did not

uh break in

but

according to canon doc

Archives is like

old so a new entrance appeared

so uh

crabs

« The new area (Archive) was a highly restricted area. No one should enter. »
« As the restricted area decayed over time, an entrance appeared. There are knowledge/projection lanterns, sealed inside the large cubes. »

[frozen pivot]

this

also seeing that crabs can be stabbed and skewered with a stick

i really doubt they can bonk and smash their way through concrete

[icy spruce]

lol

[frozen pivot]

thats why they sand dwelling creatures

idk wat they're doing in the valley temble labyrinths tho

and theres that one tunnel that drops straight down

spirits are pre gruesome

just to protect some hidden library

[stiff ferry]

Hi guys!
Do you know what are the most accredited versions concerning the arrival of darkness in Sky? How could things get corrupted?
I know there might not be a single answer to this question, but I’d really like to know your opinion

[random narwhal]

hello! does anyone know the past working name of the forest elder? :3

[frozen pivot]

Teth

[signal basin]

Well I think that the spirits aren’t trying to protect the library. Maybe they are protecting Eden. Remember, the Vault was the original entrance to Eden. Eden also used to be a fortress so while the spirits were alive they were protecting that, now they are just leading the Sky-Kids to their destiny that has to end in Eden

[frozen pivot]

i meant the hidden library in valley temple maze

[solemn barn]

[frozen pivot]

omg i never would've thought

@solemn barn is that sprinkler spirit?

[solemn barn]

YES, The next TS

[frozen pivot]

IT ACTUALLY WORKS, sprinkler spirit is in valley aswell

it goes full circle, this actually opens up new possibilities

[solemn barn]

I thinking that hair is not in the game

But Well

Candle goes vrom vrom

[frozen pivot]

ive been calling it sprinkler spirit ever since i got sprinkler season 1

[solemn barn]

Anyone knows the face?

[frozen pivot]

the mask is one thing

now i have to try and make connections, thanks @solemn barn

truly

u see, bloom guide, dream guide and rhythm guide all have the same mask

[solemn barn]

Yeah

But the sprinkler

THE relationship between them is SUS

[frozen pivot]

ive made a theory regarding the mask itself, it being a mask native to valley, but not how one gets to get one because ive never thought of it ever, not until i saw that image

but the idea of a spirit returning in a more grown but similar state is already known, courtesy of boat ferry and valley kid(the kid next to proud stance)

but thats a different tangent so, the mask only have 3 spirits that has it, the three mentioned above, and all are from valley

now i havent seen wat rhythm guide do so i cant really make a clear assumption on how the mask may have been given

and the tall hide n seek pioneer from forest that has the chibi mask has been changed into a kid

idk where i can put that on but ye theres that

@solemn barn is it fine if i save that image for future reference?

[solemn barn]

K

[frozen pivot]

btw sprinkler spirit kinda lame

[distant turtle]

We haven't had many guy cosmetics in a while

[frozen pivot]

spirits are apparently genderless according to devs but ye

no spirits that looks like guys in a while

the last one was dont go spirit i think

that i didnt get cus i took a break

[distant turtle]

I'm a male player and I like guy cosmetics. I wasn't thinking about the spirits but since you mention it I think that's your interpretation that they are genderless

[frozen pivot]

no, devs said it themselves

[livid valley]

^

[frozen pivot]

and i think they're also in the docs in the pins

if u wanna read it for urself

its my bad for not mentioning it first place

so i apologize for that

[solemn barn]

SPRITS ARE GENDERLESS

[frozen pivot]

but its no fun that way

thats why it cant be helped to place genders, plus it makes theories more immersing

in a way

stereotypical gendering or smth

idek if that word exist but i hope u get the point

[distant turtle]

I wasn't thinking about spirits but purely cosmetic items we collect

[short owl]

It's plenty fun w out genders

[distant turtle]

I understand everything you've written

[frozen pivot]

ah, i see

but in that case, theres not much ngl

[wispy wolf]

Do u guys know why there's some noises when we go near the bloom tree? I'm just curious

[frozen pivot]

true

[distant turtle]

But I'm feeling that implicit in your words is a warning against even categorizing the bloom hair for eg. as feminine

[frozen pivot]

trapped spirits that bloom guide ominously guards

[wispy wolf]

So the souls trapped in the tree? Oh wow

[frozen pivot]

no no, not at all, although i guess i was trying to warn u about a similar instance

cus i was actually blasted for saying skater girl once

[distant turtle]

Yes I am realizing now that it is not the case

[frozen pivot]

i dont generally care about genders, but others do and they get sensitive about it so ye

[frozen pivot]

no thats just a joke

we dont actually know

but u can make a theory of ur own

thats fun

i think

[distant turtle]

It would be cool if at the end of bloom the guide morphs into a dark creature and we need to rescue the souls

[frozen pivot]

one thing i can say tho is, given that there are bloom trees all over the kingdom, im guessing that they're all the dead spirits connecting to one tree

but even that is just speculation

[distant turtle]

Those fingers I don't trust them

[frozen pivot]

she can stretch her fingers at will it seems

[distant turtle]

The guide's pose looks like the King in the Vault visions

[frozen pivot]

they're normal when bloom guide stands

but when shes holding an imaginary cup, it gets elongated

[glass sentinel]

Saladfingers

[frozen pivot]

looks like casual sitting stance, russian in tracksuits

[distant turtle]

Yes I agree it must be leftover from when they made the guide holding the tea set cup

[frozen pivot]

yes

[slow rose]

[frozen pivot]

uh, are u testing out emotes?

[slow rose]

yes

😂

[frozen pivot]

ah, dont mind me, continue

do it in moderation tho, cus it is lowkey spam

[slow rose]

ok

[pseudo heart]

This is not the place to test out emojis by the way

Anyways

Other than a door mechanism, I realized the scouts also had hold on mushrooms.... Quite a lot of them

Also

Smol jar

[frozen pivot]

i cant

wait

to find new stuff

[mint widget]

sameee

[lime sorrel]

cozy sky discussion gave me an idea for some lore to discuss about what if there was a thing where the upper regions of the sky area above the clouds were the safest ones, but as you slowly descend deeper to ground level (below the clouds) it gets more industrial-like and gloomy (disregard vault since it's its own thing)... which is why wasteland looks like that, and the area below the clouds were mainly used for industrial purposes when the kingdom didn't fall apart

[pastel brook]

@lime sorrel has what it takes to pass these trials

[hushed steeple]

What does that say about Forest though

[hushed steeple]

Also here's something to consider: The first part of Eden looks like a drearier version of Wasteland. Then after you die, there's a brief part with falling ruins where your SKid races down a ridge that looks like the Valley races...and giant jellyfish like in Forest! (Not sure what that says about lore though...)

[lime sorrel]

ooh! that also reminded me of a completely separate lore idea i've been thinking about

but it kinda clashes with a lot of canon sky stuff (i'll still say it though)
what if all of the worlds were set in different time periods? it kinda goes with the 'life cycle' theme
i figured it would support the idea of some parts of eden resembling previous worlds of sky

but yeah it clashes with a lot of canon stuff

[hushed steeple]

The Vault of Knowledge elder cutscene makes me think that the story of Sky is a lot like the story of civilization and settlement - from discovering new land to learning to use its resources and settling there, wartimes... and Vault feels like a Library of Alexandria type of place

[lime sorrel]

:0

i really wanna find out what the diamonds had to do with sky kingdom's flourishment and then downfall

now that you mentioned the vault elder cutscene

[hushed steeple]

That's my interest too!

[lime sorrel]

i wonder if anyone's made a theory on how those blue diamonds turned red or why theres an infinite rock rain

[distant turtle]

Definitely! I think about this when I leave forest too

[hushed steeple]

I suspected that the diamond already existed before Sky, and at the time, it was a good thing. But it didn't work when the elders tried to forge it in Sky (Forest cutscene where the elder had to snatch our light to make it work). That could've been a warning they didn't heed ("If only they had listened..."). Then the Vault cutscene - the diamond that Vault elder has might be the same diamond Forest elder forged. And when we light it up in the cutscene, it shows the stored memories of Sky

[lime sorrel]

oooo yes

maybe the diamond was never intended to be used by the people of light

but they used it anyway and with the overusage of it, the light ran out and it turned into darkness maybe

[hushed steeple]

That's an interesting take!

My clarification would be that we see the diamond in Prairie too, but that wouldn't make sense if the diamond was first forged in Forest...(since there are many indications that the realms are chronologically connected)

[lime sorrel]

maybe the diamond was forged in (an early version of) wasteland (where it wasnt, well, a wasteland)

and looking at the name 'golden', the wasteland probably had more to it than what it currently is in sky

it was probably the peak of the light ppl society

maybe they supplied the contraptions and stuff to other parts of sky

and thats why wasteland was the first one to look so trashed

and that area could be the one that ran out of diamond energy first

[hushed steeple]

I rather thought that was Valley...

[lime sorrel]

well valley honestly looked more like the recreational and village areas since they have the racing stuff and all

OH WAIT nvm i read that wrong

yes valley is the peak (literally) since it has to do stuff with mountains

but i meant wasteland probably had a lot of contributions to their society

[hushed steeple]

But from Wasteland, it would be very easy to destroy Vault to the same extent...and yet Vault looks really pristine and dreamlike

[lime sorrel]

i feel like waay past the industrial stuff, near the end of wasteland, thats where they had soldiers to protect the vault since it stored so much knowledge

and thats why vault still looks very pristine

maybe there were people trying to steal knowledge/diamond hence the warzone area in wasteland

[hushed steeple]

Yeah that makes sense. I thought that Valley was when society was flourishing in the sense that people were happy, blissfully unaware of what the future held, just content to live their lives...And then Wasteland tells of the horrors of a society that fell to war

[lime sorrel]

that actually makes sense, i like that take on the story! maybe thats why valley was set on a mountain range/valley, its supposed to show the 'peak' of their lives

[hushed steeple]

And then the krill infestation would make sense!

But then it could just be that the fight was against darkness, and Krills were part of the fight. The people of light lost the fight and now krills just have free reign of the space

I wonder if the creatures of light and dark are related...like in biology we say that all primates are related, could we say that for creatures in Sky too?

[lime sorrel]

i like to think that the light creatures all shriveled up after the whole diamond incident and those that died in the same area got rained on by the evil rock candy red diamonds and were given life by those shards, and thus krills would be a whole bunch of dead light creatures packed together only controlled by a diamond looking for a light source (sky kids and like that manta that got krilled in wasteland) kinda like a parasite controlling a zombie spider

[lime sorrel]

maybe the darkness creatures used to be light creatures too but corrupted?

[hushed steeple]

That's what I suspect too

[lime sorrel]

hmm but what would that mean for the giant shadow thingies in fire trial

i think i have an idea how and are connected

[hushed glen]

They're both dark creatures so

[lime sorrel]

since the prophecies cave was moreso a 'flashback' (idk if its true) maybe the krills were originally shadows? and maybe shadows were the darkness creatures that naturally spawned in dark-only areas with no true form, but as they consume light creatures they slowly gain the form they have

and they get the form of the krills

[hushed steeple]

...evolution?

[lime sorrel]

pokemon

it could support the idea of why there aren't any shadows in the current sky kingdom

[hushed glen]

Well I think the trials are all just hallucinations made to test your skills

[lime sorrel]

only krills

well theres a portal for it

i like to think it's a magic portal that was able to preserve a time period (like a time bubble)

[hushed steeple]

For me, the seasonal quests and things are kind of like "Meanwhile, in other parts of Sky..." stories

[lime sorrel]

ooo yeas that makes sense too

[hushed steeple]

So I don't really think much about them

[lime sorrel]

i like to go in-depth with lore just because it's fun 😹

[hushed glen]

There is a lot more in the kingdom than what we see

You know how large each realm is

So of course there's more than what we have ingame

[hushed steeple]

Either way, I'm gonna disappear now, have fun guys!

[lime sorrel]

it was nice discussing with you! i think i'll head to bed now too haha

[atomic salmon]

The could either be a close relative of/the juvenlie form of ?

[shut trellis]

I mean, they are both made of darkness

[true grove]

All realms have different colors because they are in a different time of day or they all have different atmosphere irl 👁️ 👄 👁️

[slate saffron]

LORE CHAT HELP IM SCARED

WHY IS BACKGROUND TEMPLE RED

[agile epoch]

It's all actually darkness

The world is a lie

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[short owl]

If the world is a lie, then I have to ask

Who's lie

If the darkness has given us what is essentially utopia...

[slate saffron]

The king's

[short owl]

Consider - the darkness shelters us and cares for us. But we try to wake up. As we do so, the darkness offers us warnings. Warnings of what it means to get hit. Get hurt.

And it lets us retreat whenever.

It asks us to show it that we are capable. That we are ready. That we are sure.

And when we fail, it lets us try again.

But at the PNR, we disconnect. The darkness can't hear us anymore. So we set out on our own.

The task is impossible. Try as we might, we are doomed. So as we fall, the darkness consumes us once again.

It feels our desperation and offers us what amounts to a memory. A memory of the world we will never again get to see. And it lets us come home, to a place where it is safe.

[hushed steeple]

I always thought darkness was a physical thing that polluted the homes and souls that polluted the environment and people's enjoyment

[hushed glen]

It can be physical and not physical

[hushed steeple]

the further you go in the attitude of the spirits and realms becomes less pure and light-like

Valley is in a grey area because it barely disrupts nature, and its citizens are very competitive in nature

Now that I think of it, what if it the fact that the spirits tried to build their way up back to their old civilization (orbit) by ruining their current home, and then were punished by being attacked by darkness, and as a last stich effort to save their people Megabird created Sky kids to bring thie souls back "home"

Maybe there was also conflict between the realms because some areas were wondering why other people were wasting time and energy on tying to make a city reach out of the atmosphere and into space- only knowing about and living comfortably in the kingdom of Sky

[frozen pivot]

dunno if anyone answered this already, but my idea is, they arent diamonds, but pure dark stones that absorb huge amounts of light that they glow red. basically concentrated dark stones

[frozen pivot]

its a popular theory that the battlefield was an aftermath of a civil war

but that is only true within gw, because most realms are barely touched with destruction from war

[hushed steeple]

I see

[frozen pivot]

the rest decayed from time

[hushed steeple]

I heard somewhere that Forest and Wasteland are enimies

[frozen pivot]

or succumbed to the elements

i mean who knows

but its unlikely imo

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, it doesn't make sense

[frozen pivot]

because forest itself have a factory similar to wasteland's

and actually, i doubt that there were any dispute among the different cities because 1: theyre governed by elders and 2: the only city that had a hint of military is gw

[hushed steeple]

I can't stop thinking about how much different Valley was from the other realms in regards to it's relationship with the others

[frozen pivot]

although, it is possible that all the other cities rebelled against gw

[hushed steeple]

true

[frozen pivot]

thats why the civil war is a popular theory

and if u look deeper into it, gw is also in a geological disadvantage if they were to go to war

because most of the other realms are on the clouds

while gw sits in ground level and is very vulnerable to air raids via the floating boats

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, its also interesting how Valley is so pristine compared to other locations in the game, and it is right before the heart of the corruption

[frozen pivot]

yes, it is quite odd how valley seems more 'clean' than other realms

the only place where theres dark plants are in the labyrinths in the temple

[hushed steeple]

If you think of it, even prairie has dark plants

[frozen pivot]

exactly wat i was trying to get at

[hushed steeple]

Also another thing that intrigued me is that it seems the different clothes in sky symbolize different classes and careers

[frozen pivot]

yes

social status exists in sky

especially the masks

[hushed steeple]

It also is interesting how the performers in Valley have the same class clothing as the Wasteland warriors

[frozen pivot]

im still trying to make lore for the mask of bloom guide

cus that mask is the only design that u wouldnt see anywhere else

other than valley

and theres only 3 spirits that had it, all of which are questgivers and from valley

[hushed steeple]

Another thing about Valley, they are the only realm without their own mask

[frozen pivot]

it is the capital city

ofc theres diversities

[hushed steeple]

yes, but it looks like the only two masks you can get are inspired by creatures of light

[frozen pivot]

wym inspired?

actually, i think the reason why that is, is because valley are basically the new york equivalent of sky

where all the rich and middle class flocks

and lives

and they can all come from different realms

hence why the lack of nativity

except for the previously mentioned bloom guide mask

then this pops up. credit to thatunskymoth

[hushed steeple]

huh

[frozen pivot]

indeed

[split sleet]

mom hairstyle in sky b like

if you’re a mom you’re legally required to wear it

[frozen pivot]

the official karen

that could actually be the grown up sprinkler spirit

showing again as the dream qg

[hushed steeple]

this is what I mean

Same can be said for Wasteland, yet, the Valley masks look nothing like the elders

[frozen pivot]

ah yeh those ones are pre much given to those with specialization

i think

[hushed steeple]

The ones with the straight narrow points look like whale faces where the horned one looks like a krill

[frozen pivot]

the regular masks do resemble some creatures

especially the whale mask

[hushed steeple]

But that is true that they could be custom

[frozen pivot]

now, those other 2 mask that have large diamonds on it are from different realms

the one with the triangular shape is from the lumberjack in forest

while the square one is from scholars in vault

but the design is similar despite the 2 realms being completely different from each other

[hushed steeple]

yes, I think the forest one is based off of a power diamond, while the Vault one is of a floating knowledge lantern

[frozen pivot]

so ye, i'll chuck it up to specializations of spirits

[hushed steeple]

The Vault and Forest elders are supposed to be related

yup

[frozen pivot]

kinda like how engineers have hard hats and businessmen have ties

[hushed steeple]

yup

[frozen pivot]

not the elders specifically but the 2 realms are actually closely related to each other

[hushed steeple]

Got it

[hushed glen]

They both use power diamonds iirc

[frozen pivot]

lightseekers for example are scholars

scholars that came from forest

[hushed steeple]

I didn't know that... enlighten me

[frozen pivot]

the distinguishable features between the lightseekers and the vault scholars are the helmet or hat they use

even in the murals, they are different

the lightseekers would have pan hats while the vault scholars would have the same long square headwear

[hushed steeple]

yeah

[frozen pivot]

and their purpose are different aswell now that i think about it

lightseekers are more like field scholars while the vault scholars are librarians i think

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, or they grew up in forest and were the only ones bright enough to invent an umbrella/ protective headwear

[hushed glen]

Yeah vault is pretty much one big library shaped like a tower

[hushed steeple]

But it is interesting how thy were called lightseekers

[frozen pivot]

the season was called lightseekers

and they were featured

as the spirits

so they were called lightseekers

[hushed glen]

They seek the light

[hushed steeple]

Light seeker as a metaphor makes sense

[frozen pivot]

well their field closely works for megan

like, their job is to study the light? i think?

idk at this point really

[hushed steeple]

Maybe it is a play on words, as if they were enlightenment seekers, but called themselves the lightseekers

as if the light they were searching for was knowlege

[frozen pivot]

well ye thats them in a nutshell

and tbh, we should call ourselves loreseekers at this point cus i bet lightseekers didnt find their truth before they went extinct

[hushed glen]

Yeah

We literally just search for the lore in sky and come up with so many theories and ideas

[hushed steeple]

thats kinda sad if you think of it

[frozen pivot]

it is, but hey atleast we get to make our own stories

[hushed glen]

Yep

[frozen pivot]

tho its hard to correctly make one without people to tell u if something doesnt seem right or a piece isnt quite fitting in

especially when u like pulling reference from ur previous theories like i do

u can only try to make it as logical as u can while weaving through some already constructed theories that is basically a part of the lore now

[hushed glen]

I agree with a bunch of theories, others not so much

But every theory is valid

[frozen pivot]

exactly

u can make a theory as wacky as u want

[hushed glen]

Indeed

[frozen pivot]

i mean thats fun, like i recently made a theory about megan being a galactic overlord cus i was bored

for all i know, i could be right or horribly wrong

[hot basalt]

Can I ask what the upcoming ts is here?

[frozen pivot]

its sprinkler spirit

[hot basalt]

Who?

Do you have a pic?

[frozen pivot]

sparkler spirit

[hot basalt]

Ooooh

Oh

[frozen pivot]

i dont unfortunately

[hot basalt]

;(

I know who it is now

With the hair

Thanks

[hushed steeple]

Same I wanted Sunbather or Hiking Grouch

woiuld'nt mind Jelly whisperer to stop by either

As you can tell I am a desperate Sanctuary moth with unfinished buisness

[frozen pivot]

u aiming for cargo pants

i commend ur taste

[hushed steeple]

I want the rest of the grouch emotes, and Hawaiian cape, I already have the cargo pants

Jelly hair was my first seasonal cosmetic, and I loved the call from the start

plus Jelly spirit is adorable

[frozen pivot]

the hair actually glows

[hushed steeple]

I know its cool

[frozen pivot]

im not a fan of it myself tho

but the cargo pants is the juice

[hushed steeple]

I remember those days

I find it funny how I am the only one neutral about the cargo pants, probably because I wished they came with the sweater the spirit had, instead of the regular moff top

[frozen pivot]

lol

[hushed steeple]

My eyes were on the manta suit at the time

As well as the sunglasses

[frozen pivot]

tho i genuinely think cargo pants is better than rhythm pants

rhythm pants overrated

[hushed steeple]

yes

[frozen pivot]

cargo pants seems simple enough and the colors contrasts well

[hushed steeple]

yes, plus they're cargo pants, think of all the rocks shells and candles you can collect

[frozen pivot]

indeed indeed

[hushed steeple]

I would love to see a variation in sunglasses in the future

[frozen pivot]

u have the storage of a cargo ship with that much pocket space

the glasses are manta themed

[hushed steeple]

Ye I found that out when I got them

I am suprised no one has exploited the yeti hair + sunglasses like I have

[frozen pivot]

they were

[hushed steeple]

I remember putting both on at the same time, and I could not stop laughing for 5 minutes straight

[frozen pivot]

i remember seeing someone with their pfp like that

u look like a really hip hobo

[hushed steeple]

yeeee

I keep thinking of Jack Stauber or this guy:

[frozen pivot]

lol

its harder to do silly matches tbh

[hushed steeple]

yeah

[frozen pivot]

yeti hat and manta glass was a blessing

[hushed steeple]

A good one I had going during Prophecy was bat mask and bowing medalist hair

[frozen pivot]

i didnt do prophecy

mask were ugly

lol

and i was bored at the game and took a break

[hushed steeple]

rip

this is what I was talking about

[frozen pivot]

lmao that looks hideous i love it

[hushed steeple]

loool

It looks like a very derpy lion

[frozen pivot]

looked like a skull to me

[hushed steeple]

I need to figure out more weird combinations

[frozen pivot]

lol

[orchid jolt]

This combo has the hat's eyes being poked through by the mask's horns. And its not symmetrical

Also, the eye's of the shadows look eerily simmilar to this thing that appears in some emotes

[hushed steeple]

SPARKLER GONNA VISIT. So I have Sparkler mom lore questions. Did she adopt her niece? Since Confetti is Cousin and not Sister.

lool

I have no idea

Wait, since it is sparkler parent would it technically mean they are non-binary?

[vague thorn]

Every spirit is non binary iirc

[hushed steeple]

Not gonna stop callin her a mum constantly though

true

The cousin part is prolly just so it starts with the same letter as confetti

But also that either the don’t go pop or Sparkler mum has a sib somewhere or maybe dead if they adopted their daughter

I don’t think headphones kid is at the end of her memory. Maybe hes just more timid. Cause I didn’t see his memory

[hushed glen]

Every spirit is genderless, but we can call them whatever gender we see them as

[graceful osprey]

the eyes are the exact same as the isle elder's magic effects

wow i havent come here for a while

[orchid jolt]

Oh cool

Ok, now lets talk about what vault's final cutscene implies

The spirits seem to be made of small constellations and the elders made from bigger ones. Not the realms constellation tho

So are the spirits beings that megabird made from entire constellations while the skids are made from singular stars?

And the usage of the darkstone seens to be expanding their own constellations mabey gaining more power similar to how we collect wls