like a temple right in front of a factory? seems sus imo
#lore-discussion-spoilers
bitter shale
true grove
I thought this was in beta only but i saw it for the first time in live our cape has tears when we enter the pnr
timber pecan
okay, thank you
true grove
plain fern
I wonder what this one used to be too, seems out of place as well
bitter shale
hmmm wonder if manta cape will got the same tears
likely its just a pillar
uhh valley pillars
true grove
I thought something since there are buildings below the clouds
graceful osprey
no one would have 2 temples right next to each other
true grove
So either simply the clouds end after a point and building continues
graceful osprey
the broken one definitely fell from the sky
true grove
Or they are flooded by clouds
bitter shale
i think next season will be either on forest or vault
gw already got a season anywya
graceful osprey
I think we need a vault season
true grove
Ash came in gen chat and told us that they are working on next season. I wonder what it will be 
graceful osprey
i think next season will be either on forest or vault
forest had lightseekers or something idk
plain fern
I really hope it’ll be vault
true grove
Broken gear things there's one on either side pff
Both having a lamp under them
They both are in rapid rock rain
bitter shale
forest had lightseekers or something idk
lightseeker is not centered in forest. the spirits are scattered around the 6 realms
bitter shale
Broken gear things there's one on either side pff
lamp? or maybe a diamond?
graceful osprey
oh ok
true grove
A lamp like the one in middle
true grove
You can't see that lamp it's under the thing
timber pecan
so the megabird is the god?
and some stars fell down from the sky
so the megabird created children so they could send the stars back?
and then at the end we all go back to the megabird? is that it..?
compact olive
It kinda is confirmed who sent us
true grove
Could this be the real vault as we also see a much bigger prototype of the elder statues at the top
compact olive
I can show you a visual to guide you to that answer
timber pecan
I can show you a visual to guide you to that answer
yes please c:
bitter shale
compact olive
bitter shale
Ooo
compact olive
So these are the lines of fallen stars ⭐️ that lead to exhibit B)
Now exhibit C is tricky
compact olive
the stars are our wings?
Yes and no... the stars are US and the wings
Okay hold that thought I have an explanation for it
timber pecan
okie
compact olive
When you first start the game after that cut scene this is what happens...
The same for when we are reborn except we don’t need to find the wing and we aren’t grey or “lightless” because before being reborn our ancestors gave us their ascended wings so we hit the ground as fully winged children already
But never the less a star still falls and a our child lands on the rock pad
And if you need MORE evidence this is the case (we are the falling stars) then hold onto your butts....
timber pecan
in the intro video thing, the fallen stars each have their own realm i think
compact olive
compact olive
timber pecan
ah
compact olive
Which brings me to exhibit C
timber pecan
OHH
gilded fossil
/yall what about the megabird also seen in orbit
timber pecan
our spirits/stars fall first, and then we fall after them?
compact olive
Jen that’s exhibit D
timber pecan
to take them back?
timber pecan
wow, that's a lot! don't worry about it. c:
compact olive
But as Jen perfectly stated. Megabird is depicted as a single point of light that is made up of many constellations
timber pecan
is the gate in orbit also the megabird?
compact olive
In orbit our constellation (sky kids in the second to last picture) is seen next to the face of Megabird
The gate is mega birds..... um..... you know... where they push the baby out
timber pecan
But as Jen perfectly stated. Megabird is depicted as a single point of light tha...
so the megabird is not one thing but rather a gathering of many smaller things like a sponge?
compact olive
so the megabird is not one thing but rather a gathering of many smaller things l...
That’s an interesting analogy but yes she is everything in the “heavens/stars”
That’s why the opening line in the intro of sky that says “with our light United”
It’s gives away who the narrator is who says “time has passed, now I turn to you”
compact olive
And she lost stars as they (the elders and their constellations) fell to the sky kingdom from her
gilded fossil
why do we fall then?
/oh my god my favourite question
timber pecan
she yeets us
compact olive
Yeetus maximus
timber pecan
haha
gilded fossil
/like hey kids--- go down there and burn stuff or whatever
timber pecan
so we're sent down there to give light back to the elders
so they can return to the megabird
gilded fossil
/seems like it yea
compact olive
Not just the elders but all of their realms people too
They’re all fallen stars
Or “lost light” as the game now calls it
gilded fossil
/wait a sec why dont we see the elders fly during the flight scene to orbit?
compact olive
Because of the image I showed you Jen
timber pecan
what made them fall in the first place?
krills take away the lights from the children.
could it be that a bunch of krills - or one big superkrill - attacked the megabird so the stars fell down? its a bit of a weird assumption
compact olive
Let me explain
The constellations are the furthest point from the center and the cross or stars next to the child of light in the center represents orbit. Look at the images. So elders don’t return to the stars they teleport or were always sort of in orbit in some form or fashion.
In other words they had the shortest trip to orbit and we are following the slow spirits and sky kids to the longest travel to orbit.
Once the elders are freed of darkness they yeet back to orbit quicker than the others which is why when you go to purchase an elder hair they’re already there
They peace out ✌️ at the end of vault of knowledge cut scene. The other spirits fly with you after you die in Eden
compact olive
what made them fall in the first place?
krills take away the lights from the ch...
I have a theory why this happened but I’ll let someone else give there’s if I’m talking too much
compact olive
So the intro is a kind of “snapshot” of what happens in the kingdom of sky. And I’m not sure if you’re religious or know anything about religions, but take the Christian bible for example. Some texts are what’s called a parable or allegory. It’s meant to be symbolic and not literal. An example of this is an interpretation of the ancient Sumerian texts says that Marduk the youngest god cut great Tiamat the dragon 🐉 in half and scattered her top half as “jewels or gems” 💎 for the other gods she was bullying. And then made the earth with her lower half.
If you don’t take the text literally you could apply an astrological explanation to that same text. A large newer planet entered the solar system and crashed into it making the asteroid belt and a smaller planet from the remains that eventually evolved into the earth.
I believe it is the same with sky.
The “stars falling” isn’t a literal statement so much as a symbolic one.
They were supposed to seed life on the sky kingdom which is why they are guides to the regular ancestors, guiding them to build and to make things like power diamonds and sports games and flying boats.
But... they were also supposed to teach of the natural life cycle of death and rebirth. And somewhere along the way “darkness came” and they got “lost”
So instead of going to the holy land to return to mega birds beacon (that beam of yellow light you ride up out of Eden) they were more. Content with making things and staying in the sky kingdom
They didn’t get lost like a missing child. They “lost their way”
That’s my take on it. But that’s just a theory.... A GAME THEORY!!
winged marsh
@compact olive know this is annoying but what are power diamonds?
compact olive
Not annoying at all. It’s a manta juicer.
I have concept art to explain it if you’ll hold a moment for me to dig it out of my 3000+ photos
timber pecan
They didn’t get lost like a missing child. They “lost their way”
i like that theory!! so they rejected the idea of a life cycle and continued to build... but then where are they all? there are all these ruins..
compact olive
So what they would do is basically use dark stone found in the earth of sky and use it to drain the light of creatures of light so much so that it reduced the creatures to black remains. With all of this light energy they stored it in these “power diamonds” to use to power things like air ships and doors and other mechanisms
compact olive
i like that theory!! so they rejected the idea of a life cycle and continued to ...
Well that’s for us to figure out. I have a theory on that as well if you’re interested
timber pecan
So what they would do is basically use dark stone found in the earth of sky and ...
oh and then the black remains became light-hungry krills? like the robots in Journey, if you have played that game?
winged marsh
Oh so power diamonds are like light batteries. Thx 
compact olive
It’s darker than that too Cassiopeia
timber pecan
oho
timber pecan
Well that’s for us to figure out. I have a theory on that as well if you’re inte...
im interested :D
compact olive
This is my theory on the krill / dark dragons
It’s based off of the concept. Art.
(All of my theories rely heavily on visuals and concept art dialogue)
timber pecan
so the dark matter that we can melt and turn into light is also kinda like this - but with plants?
timber pecan
(All of my theories rely heavily on visuals and concept art dialogue)
thats really good. many people can more easily grasp things if they use visual examples ((:
compact olive
Ikr?!?! That’s how I learn best.
compact olive
So you wanna know what I think happened to everything ?
timber pecan
yes please!
i havent formed a perspective on this myself yet, but hearing yours is surely exciting
compact olive
Based on concept art the civilization went to war two times.
timber pecan
two times 0:
compact olive
The first time they went to war was because light was a. Resource (yes it’s very much like Journey) and that resource was given by Megabird to the creatures of sky. She would drop souls/light down to sky and it would pop up as a butterfly or bird or manta and then it would live out its life cycle giving light willingly to the ancestors (who were flesh and weren’t spirits at this point yet) ....
But the ancestors found darkness. (Dark stone) a new resource that drained light that they could use in their new technology . Instead of asking for light from the elder Creatures like the flying whales... they could just lure and capture mantas and butterflies 🦋 and drain them of their light with these dark stones
The prince who stumbled upon this new resource gave special stones to 6 of his best ancestor followers and made them god like.
The elder creatures did not like this and so they attacked to ancestors to stop them from abusing this power
This was the first war. The ancestors won and built Valley citadel in honor of the prince’s great victory over the creatures. They crowned him their king 🤴
timber pecan
The elder creatures did not like this and so they attacked to ancestors to stop ...
so like... they turned into krills?
compact olive
So the king (formerly the prince) had his ancestors build a great fort armed with laser cannons to keep the creatures out of Eden (the holy land where you ascend to orbit)
compact olive
so like... they turned into krills?
Not yet that’s coming next lol
timber pecan
so like... they turned into krills?
wait so this is why there are the big skeletons in vault? (sorry for interrupting again lmaoo)
graceful osprey
what are the "natural" dark creatures in sky then, if crabs were neutral and krill were mantas?
compact olive
That’s why graveyard in wasteland is littered with charred black bones of giant elder creatures with holes in them and the canons/turrets are in the wasteland battle field
graceful osprey
wait so this is why there are the big skeletons in vault? (sorry for interruptin...
whurtle
perhaps
timber pecan
That’s why graveyard in wasteland is littered with charred black bones of giant ...
OHH i see!!
graceful osprey
are whurtles "elder creatures"?
compact olive
So the elder creatures make one ☝️ final assault on the ancestors to stop them from using the Ark made of dark stone. The ancestors tried to steer the giant ark towards the holy land to stop the elder creatures from following but it didn’t work. The elder creatures sacrificed themselves and an epic explosion 💥 of dark stone and the holy land beacon made the Eden storm. Any elder creature caught in the storm was corrupted into a dark dragon
compact olive
are whurtles "elder creatures"?
Yes, one form of them
solid bloom
this is awsome to read
compact olive
this is awsome to read
It’s all concept art. 😂
graceful osprey
the krill seem to have the shape of an elder manta. seems legit
but then...
brainstorm
they must have lost so much weight
solid bloom
haha
still cool to see here
compact olive
they must have lost so much weight
I have an answer for that in my theory
compact olive
It’s not entirely weight loss but mass loss. They aren’t touchable flesh anymore. They’re dark spirit entities...
graceful osprey
thats a cloud lol
timber pecan
thank you for explaining it
graceful osprey
where do the krill get their searchlight from?
compact olive
thats a cloud lol
Exactly the limitation of the graphics doesn’t do a good job but you’re supposed to get the sense that a dark dragon is not flesh
Not entirely
timber pecan
So the elder creatures make one ☝️ final assault on the ancestors to stop them f...
the Ark..? can it be seen anywhere?
compact olive
the Ark..? can it be seen anywhere?
In forgotten ark in wasteland
And the red rocks flying around that hit you in the face at Eden
timber pecan
oh
graceful osprey
wait what
compact olive
where do the krill get their searchlight from?
The eye of the elder creature
graceful osprey
i think the forgotten ark is different from The Ark
timber pecan
but how did the ark get from eden to wasteland? was the storm that powerful in the start?
compact olive
Look at the bottom of this picture and read the text to the left
graceful osprey
but how did the ark get from eden to wasteland? was the storm that powerful in t...
i think the ark referred in the concepts is the eden city
timber pecan
And the red rocks flying around that hit you in the face at Eden
those were the energy suckers, right?
graceful osprey
i think the forgotten ark is to restore land
compact olive
And the flying ones. All dark stones charged with evil light draining energies
The forgotten ark is not the real ark the forgotten ark is the life boat version of the ark destroyed that blew up into thousands of pieces at Eden
The real ark that the creatures destroy in Eden in the concepts was big enough to house the entire civilization
The forgotten ark is exactly what it’s called. Forgotten. It was one of the many boats used to escape the second war
At least in concepts that is
normal berry
I wonder what the ark was doing in the first place. I'm assuming it came from... somewhere shortly after the storm came to be and they were trying to restore the kingdom, or rescue others. because they had those lights that seem to restore destruction and and ark by definition is something that affords protection and safety.
compact olive
I want to remind everyone this is all just concept art and I am in no way saying this is a the truth
Until tgc says otherwise it’s all speculation
normal berry
seems plausible
compact olive
But I love sharing it with others to expand their theory making juices
shadow star
It’s not entirely weight loss but mass loss. They aren’t touchable flesh anymore...
Sorry for off topic, but where these arts came from?
normal berry
the forgotten ark is my favorite season related lore, it was my first season and everything about it is so mysterious
shadow star
Enchantment is my fav too, but people hate it when they come as ts 
normal berry
Sorry for off topic, but where these arts came from?
it's official art from tgc, where specifically I do not know, I think tom zhao's website?
shadow star
it's official art from tgc, where specifically I do not know, I think tom zhao's...
Ok thx!
normal berry
Enchantment is my fav too, but people hate it when they come as ts <:stickerGloo...
yeah but at least I get more time to save candles
true grove
Sorry for off topic, but where these arts came from?
Check pins 📌
hasty flame
why do you think krills you know... krill us?
timber pecan
because we have light.
supple sluice
Yep, darkness likes snatching light
That's why the plants are everywhere hoarding light
timber pecan
from above we talked about that krills may actually be the whales but corrupted. the whales used to have light, so maybe they want it back?
supple sluice
And even like, butterflies and the spirits all have plants in them
hasty flame
i think they had light and they just got corrupted by darkness
hasty flame
wow... i think i can draw that
timber pecan
what it would be like? evil i think
supple sluice
Probably
timber pecan
like ninjas stealing your light or smth, haha
hasty flame
don't worry i will lol and yep lol
supple sluice
Imagine if you had to burn it alive to beat it...
hasty flame
o H
supple sluice
Oh god that'd make sky into a horror game
hasty flame
yep
supple sluice
coffcoff new eden objective, free a corrupt ancestor 👀
timber pecan
hasty flame
👀
graceful osprey
free the king lol
supple sluice
Ooooo
graceful osprey
I wish that we can at least see the silhouette of tge king in eden though, it would make such a scary and dramatic atmosphere
distant turtle
Maybe If we get an eden season idk
I would love an Eden season where we slide downhill from Eden social area to the base of the mountain and end up in the wasteland fortress. Maybe visit a cave with a destroyed holy site in the mountainside.
supple sluice
Xd yea
distant turtle
Trial of Air meets Trial of Fire meets Trial of Earth
A dark stormy ride through steep terrain and ruins
With dark creatures giving chase like from trial of fire
The mountain slope and base is a dramatic unexplored area
graceful osprey
or maybe the king is just there (dark one)
distant turtle
Or his memory
An Eden season could feature ancient shamans as spirits, with all their memories being of the Prince / King, just like how Season of Dreams focuses on one skater from the perspective of four spirits who knew her
compact olive
It makes you wonder what a spirit consumed by darkness would be like <:stickerSh...
This is what it would look like
Blue grey and black are the general colors of corruption/darkness
Look at the dark plants, dark dragons and dark crabs.
compact olive
That’s what happens to them. It kills them
Look to the right image of the “corrupted descendant”
It’s implied that when you are corrupted by darkness you start to petrify (turn to stone) and cease to move/live
Think of what happens to the other children in Eden that you have to save with your winged light
The spirits bodies are exactly the same where they died/where you have to relive their memories
supple sluice
Damn...
compact olive
Petrified stone ish husks of their bodies. Like a Ash remains of the victims at Pompeii
We know there’s a ton of ancestors who died who weren’t corrupted from the prophecy mural.
I mean we don’t “know” but we can assume
supple sluice
Okay then! That's very interesting
hushed glen
by looking at all of this, could it mean that children of darkness exist? basically skykids that were consumed by darkness and became dark themselves. the sky lore is very interesting to me, and i have several theories about it
hushed steeple
Things being capable of being corrupted in concept arts was a big deal. Light creatures where corrupted, an elder was half corrupted, and the final boss, King was corrupted. If the petrified sky kid is a corrupted sky kid, maybe they are either not big enough to fully convert, or had the wrong composition for it.
compact olive
by looking at all of this, could it mean that children of darkness exist? basica...
That’s what the king is implied to be
A fallen child of light corrupted by darkness
hushed glen
so the darkness is like a disease?
hushed steeple
Im not sure stuff is corrupted any more, aside from eden itself. Even spirit cores only look coated in corruption but the actual spirits are still nice normal people.
hushed glen
yeah, that's true
compact olive
Im not sure stuff is corrupted any more, aside from eden itself. Even spirit cor...
Their memories are nice and they are after you’ve used your light to free them
Which is why as a gift they give you an emote
For freeing them from corruption
In my observation that is
hushed steeple
True. But the corruption didnt make them go do darkness things. It petrifies them now. I guess thats the new form corruption took in the game.
compact olive
I believe they did dark things like stole light from creatures, and ignored the natural life cycle.
Used dark stone in their technology
Etc.
pseudo heart
manta juicer
hushed glen
maybe they stole light from normal skykids?
hushed steeple
O. That I blame on King and his forbidden fruit.
pseudo heart
To me, Eden was the ground zero of the corruption which spread among the lands, causing the fall
compact olive
I don’t wanna take credit but I believe I started manta juicer theory 😂
minor halo
I think darkness relied on light to exist. We burn darkness plants for light so similarly any form of darkness must feed off of light to survive - explaining why krill attack us upon seeing us.
pseudo heart
Also speaking of darkness
hushed steeple
It could still just be a overly ornate, manta summoning door opener 
pseudo heart
I think the reason why no dark plants exist in eden is because there's no light source to consume
As I've stated in the corpse plant theory, Dark plants need a light source to grow
Spirits, light creatures, light imbued items, etc.
minor halo
So wouldn't krill be the form of pure darkness or corruption?
hushed glen
the only light in eden are the lanterns and such if i recall, but that's before you are reborn
pseudo heart
But those are out until the skykids come and light them
minor halo
If the dark plants rely on light to grow and exist, shouldn't there be a light counterpart?
hushed glen
yeah, unlit until we light them, making it the only source of light in eden
other than friends/other players ofc
minor halo
Considering Eden having little light sources but abundance of darkness could mean that light used to exist there. It would be difficult to build those light sources in the pnr from scratch.
pseudo heart
I mean, Eden used to be a flourishing castle, nearest to Orbit so I imagine it's the area with the most light in the past
hushed glen
agreed
pseudo heart
Honking
Flapping
Bonking
Nyooming
Long ago, these four elements lived in harmony
Until the darkness came and corrupted the lands
Oh oh also
minor halo
But then again, wouldn't it be odd to have a bright city near orbit or rebirth. Suppose noone wanted to rebirth? Would that have caused the darkness overcome the place. I had a discussion a while ago about the Megabird, possibly meaning the light began to fade in that Eden, prime opportunity for darkness.
I thought that light from the realms sourced from the megabird, having a city like that near it could have adverse affects
hushed glen
But my mind goes brrrrr
so relatable
hushed glen
same
hushed steeple
Nooo you cant build your metropolis on the holy rebirthing grounds!
King: haha castle go brrrrr
pseudo heart
King: haha jk unless..
I think the orbit beam became a thing so that they can go back "home"
Wherever they came from
I don't think it's necessary for the rebirth cycle
More of an.. artificial gate
whole jay
I think orbit beam came with the Eye of Eden because it’s inside of it
That red huge thing
So yeah..
hushed steeple
Maybe if the middle beam only happened after the stars fell. I think the “holy place” aspect from the concept arts could stay if eden was always a place connected to orbit
pseudo heart
Prophecy murals suggest that the beam only existed after shiny boi collected the lights from the trials
pseudo heart
Maybe light is the result of the four elements combined.
I think the beam is
Maybe those who came before us were trying to find a way to get them so they can go back home. Maybe the prophets prophecised that there would be a "chosen one"
Hence the spirits trying and failing the trials
hushed steeple
I think eden mountain might have been vault before vault moved to vault. But I say that because I LIKE VAULT AS A SEPARATE TOWER BETTER.
pseudo heart
Maybe the ancestors had enough of the trials, and prayed to megabird for a solution
Megabird then yeeted a child
The avata—
Oops
The Child of Light
hushed steeple
The prophets keeping an eye out for any sky babies they can put in their trials
pseudo heart
From the murals and Forest Elder's poem, it seems like they anticipated the fall of the skykids
hushed steeple
Tell the elders they will soon have 10,000+ children
pseudo heart
And that child of light, who was able to collect the 4 elements then opened the eden beam
Coronated as the king
Or maybe not..
Now that u think of it...
:OOOOO
hushed steeple
You thinkin he mighta went up in the beam?
pseudo heart
No no hh
whole jay
Maybe the ancestors had enough of the trials, and prayed to megabird for a solu...
I think that the ancestors are not the ones who tried and died in trials, but some other children of light are. On murals in the cave of prophecy all of them were exactly the same as the drawings for the children of the light at other murals
pseudo heart
Hold up thoughts are being thonk
hushed steeple
I think that the ancestors are not the ones who tried and died in trials, but so...
There is 8 students of the prophets though. Matches nicely with the number of fallen stick figures.
whole jay
Oh that makes sense
hushed steeple
Well I like the new little revelation Ali provided of the light beam only existing after the elements where brought to it.
pseudo heart
The shiny boi couldn't have been the king...
whole jay
Not the elements but the child who mastered the wisdom of the elements I guess
Well I like the theory too
hushed steeple
I think a lot of stuff is PrinceKing
pseudo heart
I'LL COME BACK TO THAT THEORY WHEN I'VE ORGANIZED IT IN MY HEAD
Because I keep thinking..
The skykids only fell after the fall of the Sky kingdom, that's why they existed in the first place
And if Eden was corruption ground zero then that means the eden elder was long gone when they fell..
Aaaaa
If the shiny boi was a skykid and was the one that opened orbit beam
Then that would mean the orbit beam only existed recently
hushed steeple
Ah there is a catch
When the glowboy floats above the mountain, eden castle is there.
When he takes the elements to the top, it is not
Eden castle must have been built in that time
pseudo heart
It might just have been because of the scale I mean djjenenw they're drawn giants in that part
hushed steeple
I will accept even teeny tiny castle
hushed steeple
Make a personal theory timeline
mint osprey
whole jay
Eden castle must have been built in that time
With Season of Prophecy, a spirit memory have been renewed and in the new memory, a skykid falls to the Isle and some ancestors find them. So, while that skykid masters all the elements, ancestors were still there. Maybe the castle have been built in that time? I think thats irrational (like the king was there all the time why didn’t they built the castle earlier) but maybe??
hushed steeple
Because in the theory that sky kid would have been the king. Taking place very soon after the fall of the stars, before the founding of the kingdom.
minor halo
Topic Question: What is the point of orbit and Eden? What does the beginning speech have to do with the game?
tame hollow
Oh! That is a very interesting detail
Wonder if there’s any deeper meaning or just reused model?
distant turtle
I think it's a clever way of adding a reference to the village without changing the scenery of the amphitheatre
We can assume that an identical statue was destroyed long ago
distant turtle
I think that the ancestors are not the ones who tried and died in trials, but so...
I personally feel that any paintings we see (other than the intro and maybe elder cutscenes) were from before sky kids were ever planned to exist. We only exist because the ancients died out. All paintings depict ancients.
distant turtle
Cool shot of the roof ornament of Vault, in Eden
We were talking about symbols a lot recently so I wanted to get a closer look at this one
hidden scaffold
Hi I just realized this is the base for a skater statue
omg props to you man, i was so stumped with that thing! thought it was a stool or light source of some kind 😂
viral meadow
Wonder if there’s any deeper meaning or just reused model?
I think it’s also the shape of the yeti mountain in Dreams area
OH
I think I figured out the diamond symbol
sacred rapids
viral meadow
I’m pretty sure it also appears in Journey
sacred rapids
viral meadow
And i think that it’s a symbol of The Light
sacred rapids
viral meadow
The diamond symbol that appears so frequently in Sky also happens to be the same shape as the Eden diamond
...Maybe they are making a Sky 2 where the children/elders and everybody are ACTUALLY praising Darkness
Hence, the Eden diamond
viral meadow
Maybe... Children of the Light and Adults of The Darkness
Where Megabird gifted the adults kidnapped children of the light
And made a deal not to harm Sky, and take care of the children
sacred rapids
but from my own game timeline that I made there has to be ocean: teenagers of the dusk
right in the middle
viral meadow
True
hushed steeple
like a temple right in front of a factory? seems sus imo
Plot twist: the reason why the valley looks so eco friendly and chill is because they hide all the nature-destroying tech underneath the clouds
sacred rapids
wasteland is a good example
viral meadow
What if
sacred rapids
oh whats under the clouds
sacred rapids
behold dawn/dusk/twilight
viral meadow
And maybe the ending with the destruction ended with the birth of Eden and its diamond
sacred rapids
as a personal thought I think that eden was dug around the diamond
I have no evidence
sacred rapids
it just seems funny to me
viral meadow
OR
The battle between light and dark was to get the diamond; resulting in Eden being dug around it?
sacred rapids
it's either been dug out or it's a volcano which does make some sense
viral meadow
True
But also
What about the wind streams that throw the rocks? Where are they coming from?
Possibly from the whirling of the diamond
Much think
sacred rapids
there was a theory about the rocks being "discarded cells" of the ascending light creatures
viral meadow
It is possible
Lost remnants of the last whurtles?
I have an idea
Someone should make a family tree of all the light and dark creatures
hushed steeple
There is 8 students of the prophets though. Matches nicely with the number of fa...
Reminds me when I was informed every server only limits you to 8 players
ARe We pOxieS?¿
minor wadi
Honestly I wanna know the lore about the krill and GW in general
viral meadow
Honestly I wanna know the lore about the krill and GW in general
I saw something about the skeleton bones in gw being of an ancient light creature, the whurtle
minor wadi
Wow
GW is probably another kingdom connected to valley. Perhaps Valley and GW had a war a very long time ago?
Or maybe GW was just taken over by darkness
viral meadow
Maybe
minor wadi
Cuz you can definitely tell it’s some sort of fallen kingdom
viral meadow
I don’t think anyone asked yet; what killed the whurtles?
Well, this leads to the mog
minor wadi
And now it’s just full of toxic water, krill, krabs etc
viral meadow
True
The buildings look like remnants of coliseums or something...
Wait a second
I thought of something...
Nothing to deal with gw though,
minor wadi
Plus there’s the whole storm that sucks you in. It’s been there for a long time
hushed steeple
Hmm... though I must say, nowadays I believe it's unlikely the krill are corrupted versions of the elder manta.
This is due to the constant redesigning of the devs. from a blob, to a humanoid, to an oversized burnt tempura. It's like it wasn't their intention to design corrupt light creatures
viral meadow
So, the names of the elders come from Greek symbols/letters, right? Can someone post a pic of the letters?
viral meadow
Hmm... though I must say, nowadays I believe it's unlikely the krill are corrupt...
...or maybe they want us to think that?
hushed steeple
Plus there’s the whole storm that sucks you in. It’s been there for a long time
Maybe it was originaly the ultimate toilet flush where the valley citizens can throw all their waste. Hence, the name wasteland
Jkjk
viral meadow
Lol
minor wadi
Lmao
hushed steeple
...or maybe they want us to think that? <:pEyes:652348755361923102>
I really wanna believe they are at a k3, but there were other stuff that seems to point out it is what it is.
viral meadow
Or, maybe it’s the same force that pushes you in the valley races?
hushed steeple
Hmm
viral meadow
Maybe, that same force was harnessed and channeled to the races for entertainment, and when it got out of control, it turned into the storm thing and destroyed everything leaving the gw
kind musk
First than nothing, Hello Lore-seekers :) second, sorry for interrupting anything y'all were discussing now, and third, what the heck with this symbol? I see it everywhere, it have a meaning? Any theory about?
tame hollow
Perhaps it’s a light symbol?? Looks a bit like the sun
kind musk
First than nothing, Hello Lore-seekers :) second, sorry for interrupting anythin...
It's like a Sun.... A sun
hushed steeple
Here
hushed steeple
Hmm
sacred rapids
well there's not a definite sun but there are definitely stars
kind musk
The same moon we see at the end of stormlock
Ohohoh
Wait a minute
In the first cave of isle of dawn
There are persons
hushed steeple
Mhm
hushed steeple
It's ok take your time 
viral meadow
If it’s a sun, why does it represent instruments?
sacred rapids
maybe it's our star power
viral meadow
True
sacred rapids
yaknow that does make some sense when you think about it
viral meadow
What does?
kind musk
Holding the same symbol
Here.
sacred rapids
instruments being a star power
or other items
they make us stars but not like giant balls of gas stars
kind musk
iirc in the opening cutscene we can see the ancestors falling from the sky in form of stars.
viral meadow
Ohh
viral meadow
Mhm
kind musk
but something that is clear is that the ancient civilization was separated by the ones with cape and the ones without cape. And the reason because we know that are the races
sacred rapids
woah woah woah
where did you get all that?
viral meadow
Ohh
kind musk
woah woah woah
where did you get all that?
Everything happens in the bath 
sacred rapids
there is no proof of different races in sky
unless your talking about the valley sliding and flying
kind musk
I mean, wasn't separated in the way that the cape owners hate the non-cape owners, was like.... Idk, the persons who lives in the country and the ones who live in the city
kind musk
there is no proof of different races in sky
unless your talking about the valley...
Yeah I'm talking about these, sorry if i wasn't clear
viral meadow
OH
sacred rapids
we don't know how the spirits that have capes got them so making assumptions about how they acted is a bit tough to justify
viral meadow
the ones that fly are the ones with cape and the ones without are the ones who skate
oh no I can rhyme
kind musk
the ones that fly are the ones with cape and the ones without are the ones who s...
Exactly
sacred rapids
we also don't have proof of them flying
viral meadow
True
kind musk
*we also don't have proof of them flying*
Mhm true, true, butttt let's go to valley. There are spirits with cape to relive, right?
sacred rapids
yeah but we don't see them use then like we do
viral meadow
Wait; what about the valley elder cut scene? Why is it that they yeeted the flame into the sky?
viral meadow
Mhm true, true, butttt let's go to valley. There are spirits with cape to relive...
There are also two different Valley spirits, and two different types of races. One is flying and one is skating. I wonder if each of them take control of either?
Races as in checkered flag and start line and finish line and-
sacred rapids
according to the backflip champion memory it looks like they used mantas to "fly"
sacred rapids
for religious reasons I think
viral meadow
Oh
hushed steeple
This kinda reminds me of that endgame. Where you see the white kid surrounded by blue, then after hugging him, he dissapears, still leaving a blue light with a beam beside it
Here's the whole pic
harsh flint
Is it just me, or are we reliving the memories of the generation that destroyed the sky world (at least polluted it)
I would love to hear you guys’ thoughts on this
hushed steeple
If we're talking about the hunter, lumberjack, and miner, it's plausible
However, Idk how does being a handstander destroy the environment
Jkjk
lyric isle
I interpret Champion’s memory as manta riding being a sport, but I like this take
hushed steeple
E p i c c
deft lintel
3 skykid
rapid juniper
Yup it’s megavird
compact olive
What the heck is happening here? Light is still flying up to orbit even in the storm
rapid juniper
Yes
compact olive
Yes what? What’s you’re theory here?
deft lintel
Just the storm from eden
compact olive
It’s not a straight line. Those are spirits or an exterior form of light floating up the beam(called Beacon in concept art)
Look more closely
We know from being right next to the beacon that it is thin
Thin enough to maybe fill about 8 or so sky kids in diameter. But these extra gusts of light floating up are not flying straight up and they look like the entire width of the Eden storm hole 🕳
deft lintel
I through you talk about the thunder xD
Now i see it
Probably all the energy from the crystal
cold steppe
rapid juniper
Well uhm there seems to be two beacons I just explored eden today and go oobing
compact olive
If it’s the crystal then why is the storm far above it ?
compact olive
Well uhm there seems to be two beacons I just explored eden today and go oobing
You have pics ?????
rapid juniper
Well uh i dont have but I will go there
deft lintel
If it’s the crystal then why is the storm far above it ?
Just fly up and you will see it's a cyclone storm around the crystal
compact olive
Just fly up and you will see it's a cyclone storm around the crystal
Fly up from where ?
deft lintel
After you die, when you are going to the orbit
pseudo heart
Ah this?
compact olive
This contradicts the cyclone being the storm
The storm clouds are above the cyclone here
rapid juniper
Second beam
compact olive
Look at the lightning
rapid juniper
Chat is dead again
tough marten
Then why did they have a cape? <:SkyThink:632652199931150336>
I think it's more like how people ride horses---they're just faster than flying, but sometimes it's more convenient to fly on your own
bleak ruin
What are we saying about the light from Eden?
pastel brookBOT
wait who are we talking about? 
bleak ruin
The Eden elder maybe
@pastel brook you’re the best
I hope ppl come back and talk to us
fierce torrent
I still wanna talk abt this 
upbeat void
I just had a thought that I think would be really cool if the devs put in a new game (this was the best channel I could think of for it, if there's a better one I shouldve posted this in pls lmk). I was thinking about eden and how it is usually thought of as the garden of eden rather than the dark place it is in the game. So my thought was, what if they made a game or an update or something that showed you what eden used to be like before became dark and dangerous and (of course this would all be up to the devs) they could make it resemble the garden of eden (just without the religious context)
upbeat void
For what purpose?
They could use it to advance the lore of the game, perhaps give a better view of what the spirits lives were like when they were alive
deft lintel
@upbeat void
Wondering wish character we would be
Or maybe they can add this on a new season has a memory of a spirit who live in eden before everything change
fierce torrent
Yeah but like
queen locust
With all the imagery and references to the biblical tale it'd be pretty hard to pull off an Eden without the religious sibtext
fierce torrent
A whole gamE
upbeat void
A whole gamE
Yeah I mentioned another game just cause they could potentially go the route of like you get to live as one of the spirits and live out everything that happens
fierce torrent
Hmmm
upbeat void
Like your character is one of the spirits
upbeat void
I think it would be a cool new perspective on the same story
fierce torrent
A game branched from lore
upbeat void
A game branched from lore
Exactly!
fierce torrent
And its single player right (I mean obviously)
Yeah like
I've experienced games like that
upbeat void
And its single player right (I mean obviously)
I would imagine, although I'm sure if the devs wanted to keep the social aspect they could come up with something
fierce torrent
But wouldn't be a little
Hmmm
Whats the word-
Random-ish?
I mean its cool concept
But for a social game
upbeat void
Yeah, I just thought of it and thought it would be cool to see the story from a different perspective
fierce torrent
Its kinda weird just for lore
supple sluice
Hi what's goin on
upbeat void
Its kinda weird just for lore
True, though TGC does have the game journey which is (to my knowledge) widely seen as sort of a non canonical prequel and thats single player
upbeat void
Hi what's goin on
We are just talking about an idea I had
upbeat void
If you scroll up you can see where I explained it, I just dont wanna type it all out again haha
supple sluice
:0
BRO THAT'D BE LIT
Idea
You find the king and you light him up expecting a normal memory
upbeat void
BRO THAT'D BE LIT
Yay im glad you like it!! I think it would be really interesting cause then we could also see what the Golden Wasteland was like before too
supple sluice
BUT PSYCH! YOU ARE TRANSPORTED INTO HIS MEMORY AND U GOTTA RECONSTRUCT MEMORY-EDEN BY DOING QUESTS
Likr what they're doing with sk8er girl
fierce torrent
Yeah I like it
upbeat void
Ooh that's cool
fierce torrent
Yeah thats what I was hinting at
supple sluice
Like.... How would spirit memory within a spirit's memory work lore wise
fierce torrent
The memory
Was in the spirit yes memory
Spirits*
Autocorrect im-
S h a k i n g
supple sluice
Ah
But that'd imply they died way before...
And the king also... Relived them?
O o p.
supple sluice
I-
O o o
Imagine if we like lived through the life of one elder as seasonal spirits
upbeat void
That might get complicated
Yeah thats why I had the idea of your character playing as a spirit. Then you dont have to view the story through memories and you get to live it out along with the spirits
supple sluice
ah
upbeat void
Yeah it would require a lot of lore development which makes it unlikely to happen
But still a cool idea
🤷♀️
fierce torrent
I still wanna talk abt this <:SkyCozy:771408086526591048>
Still kinda hanging on to this though
Maybe it's just me
Probably because of age and stuff
And like it crumbles
upbeat void
Im still pretty new to the lore and stuff so im trying to catch up lol
fierce torrent
I feel like the krill could make those marks
queen locust
Probably because of age and stuff
It can't have been age
supple sluice
So maybe their memories would be whack
queen locust
When something ages, the wounds shouldn't be that precise
fierce torrent
Yeah thats what I was thinking
queen locust
Scratches especially- it's gotta be attacked by SOMETHING
fierce torrent
In a theory you have to include every possibility
queen locust
could probably explain why the Prairie Temple's full of holes too
fierce torrent
Yep
supple sluice
So.... Someone attacked Prairie?
fierce torrent
Also maybe why the big mama mantas(skykidnappers) were under the clouds
queen locust
Something with claws at least
supple sluice
Tbh i sorts just... Think that the elder just bonked his head on the ceiling too many times lol
queen locust
dude- Prairie Elder is probably the one Elder that we can't expect any sharp ANYTHING from-
fierce torrent
Yeah
supple sluice
Yeah that's what makes it weird
supple sluice
Nani
queen locust
Could be that the pot's just been transportated back
fierce torrent
When you're going to orbit
queen locust
A back and forth delivery to a place that WOULD have those claws in question
fierce torrent
And
supple sluice
Yeah?
fierce torrent
The creatures legit murk the walls/debris falling
And
Butterflies look like light creatures
What if
supple sluice
Hm?
fierce torrent
I f
queen locust
not just look like
supple sluice
I f?
queen locust
They are actually light creatures
fierce torrent
Grazed it
supple sluice
I don't think a butterfly could do that much damage
The pots are meant to contain them after all
fierce torrent
I mean those butterflies be kinda flutterin
queen locust
i'm not opposed to a light creaturr having made those marks but if it's the creature that was meant to go into those pots then I'm having doubts
supple sluice
Yeah uh
supple sluice
There's not crabs in the pots XD
molten shell
This is a weird question that feels best suited for here...
Do the krill have names?
supple sluice
yet.
queen locust
Of all the creatures we see in Sky I think they're the least likely to cause damage
supple sluice
Krill is the name
fierce torrent
Yeah you're right
molten shell
Excellent, the one in the ship is now named Francis
fierce torrent
Awe
molten shell
First krill you see is Mavis
fierce torrent
I named mine Tobi
supple sluice
Pog
molten shell
Noooo, shipwreck
Ark Krill is Levi
supple sluice
Oh XD
fierce torrent
First wasteland krill is Luther
upbeat void
I like Mavis krill
supple sluice
I named them all Satan tbh
molten shell
First Krill Area: Mavis
Ark: Levi
Shipwreck: Francis
Graveyard: Berdholt, Jeni, Gabriella, Fred
Battlefield: June, Day, Ella
upbeat void
What about the ones in the last trial?
upbeat void
I wanna name one Chad
queen locust
those ain't krill but that's a lot of fuzzies you gotta name XD
upbeat void
Oh yeah I forgot about fuzzies
upbeat void
Which eden krill is chad
fierce torrent
The ones with lice
supple sluice
Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel
upbeat void
Should the eden krills be named after biblical stuff
I feel like we should keep religion out of it since the game doesn't base itself on a religion
queen locust
There's some undoubtedly biblical imagery though
fierce torrent
Yeah
queen locust
I don't see why we should keep religion out of this if it's to draw parallels
upbeat void
I don't see why we should keep religion out of this if it's to draw parallels
Thats true, I just dont want to tie it to a certain religion if the creators haven't confirmed it
molten shell
I mean, it kinda has its own religion
fierce torrent
WE ARE GETTING SIDE TRACKED
upbeat void
I mean, it kinda has its own religion
Yeah thats exactly what I meant
supple sluice
Cuz they hunt children
queen locust
Relax, it's not as if Christianity is the only religion we've seen depicted here
upbeat void
Anyway, moving on
queen locust
i standby my reasoning that it could have just been transportated back from a place that WOULD leave scratches-
supple sluice
Me still stuck on Wasteland fight
supple sluice
i standby my reasoning that it could have just been transportated back from a pl...
MEXT
fierce torrent
I dont know if I missed it
supple sluice
Oh
upbeat void
But the castle as soon as you're in orbit/space idk
Maybe its where the eden elders spirit lives or something
fierce torrent
But
queen locust
are those not the remnants of Eden that got blasted into space
supple sluice
My theory is it's the remains of the castle of Eden
supple sluice
Where the King used to vibe in
upbeat void
My theory is it's the remains of the castle of Eden
That makes sense
queen locust
Eden isn't just the place we visit- that was barely half of Eden
supple sluice
Cuz again, the diamond exploded
fierce torrent
I-
fierce torrent
Eden isn't just the place we visit- that was barely half of Eden
WHAAAAA
fierce torrent
Oh wait
upbeat void
Im quickly realizing i dont know as much about the lore as I thought
queen locust
What did you think it was before this anyway-
fierce torrent
Nah thats makes sense
supple sluice
Shouldn't have lived on a nuclear reactor
upbeat void
Imma go find a YouTube video to explain it all to me lol
fierce torrent
JSJJDJDD
upbeat void
I'll be back in a bit
supple sluice
That's totally why the opening says "if only they had listened"
THEY SAID NOT TO BUILD A CASTLE ATOP BIG DIAMOND
Jkjk
Maybe they were told not to return to Orbit?
supple sluice
Because maybe they were kicked out??
fierce torrent
WAITWAIT
queen locust
the what-
fierce torrent
All that rubble
supple sluice
H u h
fierce torrent
With the stone childs
fierce torrent
Yeah
queen locust
Point of no return is still within Eden
fierce torrent
The marinara trench
supple sluice
Ah....
supple sluice
Ah.
queen locust
I'd assume it was a hallway to whatever the area with the corpses were
supple sluice
Yeah
fierce torrent
Hmmm
supple sluice
Judging from all the return shrines...
fierce torrent
Waittt
queen locust
darn English is just failing me today
fierce torrent
Hmmm
supple sluice
Maybe it was supposed to be a holy area?
supple sluice
Or a place of fast travel?
fierce torrent
OK .ETS ASSUME THEY ARENT CHILDREN
supple sluice
Oh
fierce torrent
Mark them as like-
queen locust
Holy area or some kinda courtyard- it was pretty wide and had its own gates
supple sluice
I think they're just... Lightless corpses
fierce torrent
They were bringing gifts to this king dude
supple sluice
Like what would happen to a spirit if all their light was drained
fierce torrent
And chaos unraveled
queen locust
i'm assuming the gifts were the children in this or i might have missed something
supple sluice
Hm?
supple sluice
.... Why would he appreciate children tho
fierce torrent
Manz on some Maw stuff
queen locust
No no I'm just trying to wrap my head around what Basil just said-
supple sluice
And why did they do it when the diamond was to implode
fierce torrent
GIVE THE MAN HIS CHILDREN
fierce torrent
I meant like
supple sluice
Just... Dead-ified.
fierce torrent
You know how we give the elders this flame
fierce torrent
Maybe
The king was trying to fix something
Like the forest elder
And its went
Horribly wrong
Amd made the storm worse
supple sluice
H m
That fits my idea of how the diamond exploded
Cuz to me the diamond was imbalanced or impure
fierce torrent
Wait so-
supple sluice
And the king could try to use winged light to fix it
fierce torrent
Im smart for once?
supple sluice
Xd
fierce torrent
fierce torrent
OHHHHHH
fierce torrent
Wait wait uh
I dont have pictures
But
If you land on the castle in orbit
And look around
I think it was something I found idk
I cant remember jesus
queen locust
Were they the shrines of Vault or-
queen locust
I don't land on Eden all that much but I might do it later just to waste my remaining memory oj this phone ckdnckke
supple sluice
Hmmm
fierce torrent
Amd when its near the castle
YEET yourself down
Right not left*
Right is to get a better grip/stay on
supple sluice
Hm....