lore-discussion-spoilers

[teal orbit]

Yes.
This makes them the first ancestors to get capes

[icy spruce]

well, Hamilton au

[slate saffron]

And you, as the player, are just very lucky

[hushed steeple]

Seems about right-

[slate saffron]

And break free as intended

[spring cairn]

sorry to butt in HAHA

[hushed steeple]

Oh

O H

NOW I KNOW WHAT'S CANON

Jkjk

[slate saffron]

Eden is replenished every Sunday I think

[hushed steeple]

Seemed like the start of a corruption arc ngl-

Jkjk

[spring cairn]

now u can smash ppls theories understand the world of sky better

[teal orbit]

So we are always lucky?
All of us?
All the time?
For sone reason i dont buy it
But it is a cool theory

[hushed steeple]

BAHAHHAHAH

I just meant the Dark dragons actually are hungry and do consume the light intentionally

[slate saffron]

Well you're the player! It wouldn't be a fun game if you weren't

[teal orbit]

Sure

[teal orbit]

It would also be fun if krill would stop booping me

[hushed steeple]

B o o p

[slate saffron]

Krill just want some soup

[river plover]

Guys, what is this, are kind of arrows and lines written on ribs in the golden hinterland

[compact olive]

This is how I observe it...

We go to the statues and deliver the winged light to a grey statue making it glow blue.

The winged light is a golden or shiny boi or child of light that gives you wing power.

When we die in Eden after losing all light we become this grey lightless thing and then we “enter the state of mind” as Xiaguang puts it.

We fall, lightless, into a dark place where rocks can vaguely be seen from the outside. And guess what’s waiting for us... a shiny boi.

We hug the shiny boi and get a cape and filled with light and then we fly up the light beacon AT THE SAME TIME as the other statues you’ve put winged light into (or shiny bois) also break free and gain light and capes and you all fly up to orbit

[slate saffron]

YOU'RE ABOUT TO DIE NOOOOOO-

[hushed steeple]

7 wedges=7 realms

hwehehehheh

Jkjk

[compact olive]

I thought you said “wedgies” and I was like “yeah that’s pretty strong”

[river plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ what

[hushed steeple]

BAHHAHAHAHAH

[slate saffron]

As I see it the eden statues past the point of no-return will always be more recent then any others, with each statute probably getting older the further in as the difficulty increases and it becomes harder to retrieve them

[hushed steeple]

I can't with the wedgies-

[teal orbit]

Its a good theory.

But there are a few things i wanna say

1. Wl are not cotl, they are the imprints of the cotl

2. The child in eden interacts with us so it aint a wl, or shiny boi, as u put it

The look just fine

[teal orbit]

This

[compact olive]

Game mechanic

[teal orbit]

I firgot to press reply

[slate saffron]

What if the sparkly child we interact with in the mind space if our very first winged light? The one you get at the beginning of the game on the sunken raft

[teal orbit]

Which ones?
Both?
Also note: the eden boi has a different colorscheme

[weak shale]

A quick reminder not to use the term "Megan" for Megabird as per pins not to confuse others, especially newcomers here 👀
And also, we're not here to look for what's canon and what isn't — the game is specifically made open-ended and open to different interpretations as per TGC's general philosophy, therefore we're here to have fun and theorize with others, not to suppress other theories, so please keep that in mind going forward

[teal orbit]

I dont collwct that one anymore and yet i see the orbit boi and hug them

[slate saffron]

Well your first time through it's kinda mandatory

[compact olive]

It used to glow exactly like a child of light WL and only recently changed colors

[slate saffron]

You're soft locked if you don't

[teal orbit]

Wait so the ban on talking abt canon and theorizing abt canon wasnt lifted at all?

[icy spruce]

so uh

[teal orbit]

Tge recent version is the real version

[bleak ruin]

Hello lore chat I have an unrelated question

[slate saffron]

Anyways let's get back to talking about that orange pot-

[teal orbit]

But then seraph said

[bleak ruin]

It’s about the prince

[teal orbit]

I....

[slate saffron]

OOOOO

[bleak ruin]

Can I assssk

[slate saffron]

prince boi

[teal orbit]

What abt what seraph said, boop?

[pale geyser]

Thats pretty relevant actually-

[bleak ruin]

Ohh I wasn’t reading chat lmao

[compact olive]

If a bug exists in the new game is the bug “canon” ?

[bleak ruin]

If he was the prince before he was the king...

And he was the first king...

What was he a prince of?

[slate saffron]

Megan's garden

[compact olive]

A developer once told me directly “it’s just a texture. It isn’t lore.”

[bleak ruin]

Texture

[teal orbit]

If its a bug, no, but this aint a bug

[bleak ruin]

That breaks my heart

That’s like saints clause ain’t coming cuz he doesn’t exist child

Santa clause

[teal orbit]

What were they talking abt?

[bleak ruin]

Meagan’s garden

Mega bird

[teal orbit]

No the texture thing

[bleak ruin]

Her prince?

[teal orbit]

The texture of what

[compact olive]

A texture in the game that made the wall gold instead of rock 🪨 like the rest of the wall. But it’s still there and hasn’t been cleaned up

[teal orbit]

Thats totally unrelated to orbit

[bleak ruin]

no ideas on what he was the prince of?

[compact olive]

Yes but if they made texture problems or changes that aren’t lore then it doesn’t mean the current game we look at is lore

[compact olive]

The sky kingdom

[teal orbit]

We INTERACT with the white boi
U cant do that with imprints...
Imagine talking to a snow angel
Its the same thing

[bleak ruin]

But why was he the prince

[teal orbit]

We dont know if he's the prince

We only know its the eden elder

[bleak ruin]

I’m asking to whoever ppl refer to as the prince

[teal orbit]

That all discussion abt canon is totally allowed

[bleak ruin]

Why do they all him that

[compact olive]

I understand that your experience has been a white lightless child. I’m only advising you that it wasn’t always white, that it in fact was exactly like a WL and that a developer explained there are texture issues all throughout the game that aren’t changes in lore

[meager canyon]

Hai guys , uh I haven't been here in a while and idk if this is on topic or if somebody addressed this before but I found this symbol and this door. I believe this is the season ofter dreams idk tho

[icy spruce]

oh heya Gab

[bitter shale]

Was it belonging symbol idk tbh

[teal orbit]

Its been there all along

[meager canyon]

Oh hai chesca

[pale geyser]

hey Gab

[meager canyon]

Hai guys

[bitter shale]

Ayo gab

[meager canyon]

Hai

[slate saffron]

@meager canyon it might be the king's symbol but simplified

[teal orbit]

Ohhhh right u were gab i forgot and called u eri hahahaha

[bleak ruin]

Like normally ur a prince if ur dads a king... but if there wasn’t a kingdom yet why would they refer to him as a prince? Like I’m tryna figure out where that came from...

[meager canyon]

Bruh

[bitter shale]

Maybe the prince of light?

Ummm light, direct descendant of Megabirb

[meager canyon]

Idk if the king and prince are even different people

[bleak ruin]

I don’t agree or disagree

[bitter shale]

The king is big while the prince is smol

[bleak ruin]

I don’t know enough

[bitter shale]

[teal orbit]

Canon implies heavily that they are separate entities

[bleak ruin]

Lmaoooo

[weak shale]

You're missing the point here — the game is specifically made open-ended and open to one's interpretation and is quite different from any other games with linear storyline, so there's no one specific canon per se and looking for one isn't the point of this channel.

[slate saffron]

Is the prince still cannon?

[bleak ruin]

When u say canon

Ur talking the Canon doc?

[bitter shale]

Hey we do have a cannon

On office rooftop

[slate saffron]

@bitter shale >:)

[bleak ruin]

Cuz like if u just play the game no outside info...would u ever think there was a prince?

[meager canyon]

I'm confused

[compact olive]

I don’t know why there would be a plural of “children of the light” in stead of singular “child” in the title and yes I have heard that they were his memories. Maybe like how there’s a trinity of beings in Christianity that are all really one being ?

[teal orbit]

Oh. I thought we were having a canon discussion, oz and i... im srry for telling u abt all that xanon stuff

[limpid basin]

We need art/visual depections of Eden before it all went wrong

[teal orbit]

Cannon lol
But yes the prince and king are canon

[bitter shale]

This tbh

Lets wait until 2nd anniversary, shall we?

[pale geyser]

Canon also implies that the king was on a dark path- the Prince can just be the King in a different point in time imo

[bleak ruin]

Can we delete the word canon... it’s confusing

[teal orbit]

I said hevily implied

[meager canyon]

Who knows maybe it never went wrong

[bitter shale]

Maybe the Prince is the King younger self

[limpid basin]

Those eyes are spaced way too close to each other

[bitter shale]

Who knows la

[weak shale]

Let's move on from the "what's canon and what isn't" convo please, there's no specific canon and all theories are welcome here, you can find more info in the pins.

[teal orbit]

There is no specific canon?
Whats the canon doc for then?

[bitter shale]

So we gonna have tangerine in game soon

Can we connect this to lore

[limpid basin]

Fanon essentially

[teal orbit]

Im genuinely curious

[pale geyser]

THERE IS NO CANON DOC

[bitter shale]

Like is it a real fruit

[teal orbit]

What what

[slate saffron]

Orginally the king was in-place of the diamond

[meager canyon]

Why are your and joshurs o's oranges?

[teal orbit]

Why are the dev quotes suddenly fanon

[hushed steeple]

I've heard a theory of Megan being a phoenix

Phoenixes are birds of fire, that die and turn into ashes and then from ashes they rise again.

Seems kinda familiar.

However, another thing to notice. These Ashes could be similous to the sky dust.

[teal orbit]

Im confused

[limpid basin]

Check #news

[hushed steeple]

Jkjk

[slate saffron]

Hamon

[teal orbit]

Why?

[bitter shale]

The thing is, Season of Dream's ultimate seems to connected to phoenix birb

[meager canyon]

I did what does that have to do with oranges-

[limpid basin]

Fan mass interpretation of the hints and elements in the game

Ah, I see!

[teal orbit]

Thise arent interpretations

I understand if u dont wanna make your theories canon

But why is there NO canon all of a sudden

[meager canyon]

I hate ''what's canon and what's not" talk, I don't like people fighting :(

[weak shale]

Pyre, please move on from the canon topic.

[teal orbit]

Sure

But im still confused

[hushed steeple]

Another thing is that, each realm has a constellation right? And each constellation is actually the accessory smthn smthn of their corresponding elder

What about "the light"? The crown of the king? Jkjk

I also though what if "the light" is the constellation of homespace.

But then again

What if the homespace is actually the only uncorrupted fragment of eden?

[weak shale]

If you want to continue this conversation - feel free to DM me.

[hushed steeple]

Jkjk

[bleak ruin]

The thing about dev quotes is that they’ve openly said there’s been many iterations of characters, story, etc. who knows when and how they change things and continue to change things as time continues

[hushed steeple]

Ah nevermind. His character arc is still ongoing

But hey, at least it ain't a fall arc-

[teal orbit]

A fall arc?

[limpid basin]

I see!

[meager canyon]

I have a dumb theory-

Each realm is the same place in different times and sky kids are just time travelers

[bleak ruin]

The game itself is probably what we should be leaning on for info since that’s where they work to put it

[teal orbit]

Natural transition

[slate saffron]

Homes space is really far away from eden tho

[limpid basin]

Canon is a spook

[teal orbit]

Naturak transition

Natural transition

[meager canyon]

Huh

[teal orbit]

Boom

Haha

But u do u

[meager canyon]

Wdym

[slate saffron]

unless...
THE ENTIRE GAME IS AN ABZU SEQUEL!?!??!

[teal orbit]

Copyright says no

[meager canyon]

M a g i k

[teal orbit]

Itcwas destroyed after its creation

[hushed steeple]

Still find it sus how the eden portal is hella different and how the homespace and eden portal are next to each other in the vault

Jkjk

[bleak ruin]

Me tooo

And the 5 elders not 6

👀

[hushed steeple]

Yep

[bitter shale]

And the fact that the symbol on home altar is on eden portal door

[bleak ruin]

And that there is a gold bell thing on the eden portal

[hushed steeple]

Also how there are 5 power diamonds to activate in order to open the door

[slate saffron]

Homepage is a gateway area that the elders would go to on vacation

[bitter shale]

Its just like options

You go home, or die

[bleak ruin]

Ezzacleee

[meager canyon]

Also the elder faces are on the eden door

[bleak ruin]

And the art of the portals inside eden has two of them without tops

I chooose DEATH

[hushed steeple]

A h

[bitter shale]

Wait what which art

[slate saffron]

The elders are really old

Why else do they have white hair?

[meager canyon]

I feel like the elders somewhat made eden

[hushed steeple]

With a side of rebirth to experience the joy and trauma all over again

[bleak ruin]

It’s on that door u open before the dragons and rocks

[bitter shale]

We have white hair too fam

[bleak ruin]

Lemme see if I have pic

[teal orbit]

We be old hahaha

[bleak ruin]

Lmaoo

[slate saffron]

But it's magic hair >:(

[bleak ruin]

Magiiiiick

[teal orbit]

Sky creatures have different biology than earthlings

[meager canyon]

Also another question.... What in the world is the light given to the elders for

[teal orbit]

All creatures in sky are made of light

Even the krill

Even the crabs

Even the elders

Even us

Even the ancestors

[slate saffron]

Sky creatures are earthling in the concept art

[meager canyon]

Everting is light

[teal orbit]

But not in canon

We r separate worlds

[slate saffron]

Their souls go down to earth, they gain experiences and go to sky, and then they migrate and go to orbit

[hushed steeple]

Btw. Will krill EVER be satiated? Or are they just gonna eat light as long as there is light

[bleak ruin]

u cam barely make it out

[hushed steeple]

A h

[bleak ruin]

blurrrrry

[bitter shale]

Ohh

[teal orbit]

They will keep hunting as long as the sust steal light outta their body

*dust

[bleak ruin]

its weird that two portals dont have tops

[slate saffron]

I feel like their desire for light might be a psychological thing

[teal orbit]

And a biological thing as well

[slate saffron]

Or they're just hungry

And need a meal every few days

[teal orbit]

Cuz the parasitic dust eat up most of their prey

So they are always hungry

[hushed steeple]

I'm also curious why they just circle around places instead of actively hunting

[teal orbit]

Trained

By the gw soldiers

[hushed steeple]

LIVING SECURITY CAMERAS

[teal orbit]

Krill havent died yet

[hushed steeple]

Jkjk

Ah yes

[teal orbit]

The krill that werectrained in the wasteland war still roam the skies

[slate saffron]

They areas they circle tend to be in the migration path of the light creatures, so they know it's a safe space to hunt!

[hushed steeple]

Hmmm

[hushed steeple]

Oohh

[slate saffron]

They also know that Cotl move through the area often

[teal orbit]

But then why not prairie or forest?

[slate saffron]

They might not be able to reach those places

The GW is on the ground floor

[teal orbit]

They reached the ark straits

Forest is on the ground floor

Distance isnt a problem

[slate saffron]

Forrest is on a bunch of floating islands

[teal orbit]

Wha

How

[slate saffron]

it scared me when I looked up and saw no leaves

[teal orbit]

No u gotta look down

[slate saffron]

it's all clouds

[hushed steeple]

ah, perhaps the underground caverns are those islands

[teal orbit]

Huh

[bleak ruin]

How come we can’t free this dude

[teal orbit]

But those are UNDERGROUND

also sanc

The krill can go to sanc

[slate saffron]

They're very chonky Islands @hushed steeple

[bleak ruin]

Or is this a real statue

[slate saffron]

@teal orbit oh and also dark! The gw is very dark

[sly lake]

maybe krill used to be light creatures, and they're following their old instincts on paths they used to take before corruption? when golden whasteland wasnt all corrupted

[hushed steeple]

chonk hehe

[slate saffron]

Also whales live in those caverns

[bleak ruin]

And his candle is sitting on something that looks like the statues in sanctuary island

[sly lake]

like how monarch butterflies fly on migration paths that are thousands of years old!

[slate saffron]

And the krill don't seem to fond of the whales

[hushed steeple]

Hmm then Ig it could mean they only manifest in areas that had signs of war/fighting/hate

Jkjk

[hushed steeple]

i meant its the inside of the islands?

[teal orbit]

Not a problem
Remember the ark krill?
Out in full daylight

[slate saffron]

Well not at first

[hushed steeple]

whales live in cloud filled places.

[teal orbit]

Again, ark krill

[bleak ruin]

Elephantsss

[slate saffron]

And the caverns are filled with clouds

[sly lake]

the ark isnt in daylight though

[slate saffron]

they're more the underside of the islands really

[bleak ruin]

☁️🐘☁️

[sly lake]

it looks like late dusk, or night time

[teal orbit]

There is no pattern or consistency to krill habitats other than they are key entry passages to the wasteland temple...
Hence, they were trained to guard that place

[slate saffron]

@teal orbit the area wasn't full of sunlight until you brought light in!

[teal orbit]

Pygmy mantas and monowings would be easy prey in sanc

[bleak ruin]

I still think krills have something to do with trial of fire

[sly lake]

ark is also part of golden wasteland, and was full of the corruption before skykids came

[bleak ruin]

It’s like... too close

Like that may be what they started as

[slate saffron]

The krill probably weren't trained, as the ark mural shows them more or less invading the GW and pushing the light creatures out

[teal orbit]

No the straits leading to the ark is where the krill lives and its bathed in sunlight

[sly lake]

daylight prairie and sanctuary isnt as technologically advanced as wasteland is (was?) so I think thats why we dont see any dark creatures there, only dark plants.

[slate saffron]

I don't think so, but I'd have to double check

[sly lake]

where is this sunlight? you're making a claim but i dont see it unless its a personal theory?

[bleak ruin]

Wander yesss same

[slate saffron]

But the whales on the other hand, those bad boys were definitely trained

[sly lake]

yes! and the first time we see dark creatures like the crabs is in forest, which is the first time we see technology!

[hushed steeple]

idk, i believe that the trial was created by fire prophet just for the sole purpose of adding on to the trials! but i would like to hear more :>

[teal orbit]

Krill can repel debirs as strong as eden's flying rocks so fighting back aint an option

[sly lake]

fighting what?

[bitter shale]

the description quite interesting innit

so the hermit is a giant... :aaaahhEyes:

[teal orbit]

The road LEADING to atk not the ark itself
Is where the krill lives

[sly lake]

yeah theres no sunlight there haha

[slate saffron]

There was evidence of a fight between the ancestors and the krill

[hushed steeple]

they can? any examples?

[bleak ruin]

I thought the trials seemed too intricate for the prophets to creat...

[bitter shale]

they might talking about wind wall on krills

[teal orbit]

The krill

[bleak ruin]

I never thought of that

[slate saffron]

And it's assumed that whales were used to take on the krill

[bleak ruin]

I thought they were like portals kind of

[sly lake]

i dont know how fighting krill relates to what i was saying about daylight prairie

i feel like the trials all take place in our mind since we meditate to enter them but what do you guys think?

[bitter shale]

we kinda have crabs on sanct island tho

[sly lake]

omg you're right i forgot

[teal orbit]

How do they survive that place then? They fly at a measured speed in repetitive routes and do no evasive maneuvers

[bleak ruin]

I thought of it like the elders realms like pocket dimensions

[bitter shale]

yea

'beyond space and time'

[bleak ruin]

Yeee

[slate saffron]

They avoid areas where the rock are

[teal orbit]

Swarming and driving off krill aint an option

[hushed steeple]

that doesnt really say/prove anything to me?

[teal orbit]

The last area

[sly lake]

no where did I say that? you might want to reread what i said

[slate saffron]

WAIT NO, RIGHT YEAH NVM

[sly lake]

we do see one spirit in daylight prairie village capturing one of the light birds and turning it into a ball of light, so theres some abuse of the creatures there

[bleak ruin]

Cuz the elements seem like their own thing to me from those murals on the wall

Before the inner murals

[sly lake]

i forget what spirit it was....its the one on the island with the 8 gate

[teal orbit]

I might have replied to th
e wrong text

Ahhh u guys are swarming ME hahaha

My whole screen is yellow lmao

[hushed steeple]

not really, just asking-

[sly lake]

I like to think of the shadow creatures as your inner fears, and the end you gain the courage to overcome them

[slate saffron]

Sorry

[teal orbit]

Yellow striped discord svreen

[slate saffron]

[teal orbit]

Rofl

[sly lake]

lol boop we do have similar colored icons

mine needs more swirly eyes

[hushed steeple]

i like to think the wormss were created just for the trials but thats coollll

[sly lake]

one thing we can all agree on: gotta pet the fluffy shadow worms

[teal orbit]

The trials are most likely hallucinations or smth like the matrix

If not its in limbo cuz of the endless dark void

[bleak ruin]

Lmaooo

[hushed steeple]

mhm!

[bleak ruin]

Yesss

The trials are ancient tho right

[pastel brook]

I, Skybot, judge of all trials, find @bleak ruin to be a cool Sky kid

[bleak ruin]

Omgggg

I’m a cool,Sky kid

[slate saffron]

Congrats!

[sly lake]

lol skybot

xD

[slate saffron]

I shall now steal your coolness @bleak ruin

[bleak ruin]

shares candle light

[slate saffron]

[teal orbit]

Ok now we r in crackpot territory

Time for me to leave

Byeeeeee

[bleak ruin]

Lmaooooo

I’m also off for a lore hunt

[hushed steeple]

are we?

[bleak ruin]

Time to get losssst

[slate saffron]

But uhhhhh yeah!
The krill weren't trained, they just hunt in the GW and eden. The whales probably were trained, and I'm going to sleep

[teal orbit]

Whales?

Trained?

[hushed steeple]

o

[slate saffron]

Their skeletons are all over the GW

[teal orbit]

Oooooof

Those are whurtles

[hushed steeple]

id like to hear more! but u should go to sleep uwu

[slate saffron]

And the ancestors must have fought back somehow

[teal orbit]

Btw that was the sound of je jumping back into the channel

[slate saffron]

NOW IMMA SLEEP GN

[hushed steeple]

gn!

[teal orbit]

No im tired

But i gotta sort out the krill werent trained thing

[hushed steeple]

hi tired! I'm Ani

[hushed steeple]

But remember that catapult? But then again that could just be for fireworks or smthn-

[teal orbit]

And soneone confusing whurtles ans whales

Sooo tired

Also, here come theu yellow ping stripes again haha...ha....ha........

The tired thing wasnt cuz they were confusing whurtles and whales btw

Im just tired

Oh no cold pings aint bad

[hushed steeple]

i am too! counting all the months of no sleep-

[teal orbit]

Its just funny to have my screen turn yellow cuz of all the pings

[hushed steeple]

What are they? And what's the difference-

[teal orbit]

Whurtles are turtles with irl whale bodies
Whales are flying arowanas

[hushed steeple]

A h

Lemme see pics-

[teal orbit]

I dont have diagrams on me

Better ask bluespirit

[hushed steeple]

i agree, i do.

[teal orbit]

Or aquajohnny

[hushed steeple]

Ok the internet wasn't any good-

[teal orbit]

Or bricky

Remember i am the provider of canon

[hushed steeple]

thats SO AHAHAH i r o n i c

Go tO SneEeEeeP

Jkjk

[teal orbit]

Aquajohnny is the provider of pics

[hushed steeple]

Hmm

im the companion 24/7.

BAHAHHAHAHAH

[sly lake]

i think its better not to rely on one person for canon or interpretations , because we all have biases we may not be aware of!

[teal orbit]

Yes

[sly lake]

thats why its good to have a group team effort

[teal orbit]

Thats where the rest of yall come in

[hushed steeple]

i dont like teams but then i like teams. so what now-

[teal orbit]

Group team effort

Its your job to try and make my screen turn yellow
Hahaha jk

[hushed steeple]

o

[hushed steeple]

oki

[hushed steeple]

but

[hushed steeple]

wh-

[hushed steeple]

h e h e

[sly lake]

lets not spam

[teal orbit]

Awww man ani was almost there

[hushed steeple]

done. once and for all.

[teal orbit]

3 message gap

[sly lake]

i remember when journey came out, people asked the devs what the history of the journey people was...it turns out that each dev had their own interpretation

[teal orbit]

Dang

[sly lake]

it may be true for sky as well. so i think the best we can do is not look to any one person for canon, but instead the game! and what we may take from it

[teal orbit]

But the dev quotes

[queen locust]

my god that must have been an awesome conference

[teal orbit]

Livestreams

Whhhyyyy

[sly lake]

maybe one dev has their own personal thought, but another dev has their own headcanon

[hushed steeple]

idk the reason im still here cos ive already moved on to the lore of other fandoms but i'll stay to watch ig

[teal orbit]

Oh no those are in a separate heading.... dev headcanons arent canon

[sly lake]

i think some things are probably set in stone, but lets not limit ourselves to confined lines in the sand n_n

[queen locust]

I mean- we really shouldn't have treated it as sacred text to begin with ya know

[sly lake]

let me see if i can find the article i read about the devs interpretation of journey!

[queen locust]

I said it before and I'll say it again

The canon isn't a bible

[teal orbit]

To me those are flaming walls of concrete with barbed wire but thats just me

[hushed steeple]

s a c r e d ? i didnt take it t h a t far-

[queen locust]

And even if it is- even the bible's had several interpretations over the years

ever wonder why there's so many branches of Christianity

[sly lake]

then thats good for you! but dont impose your own barbed wire concrete walls on others by saying whats canon or not thats all i ask

[bitter shale]

Here is my take about canon : imo the devs was already planned a storyin the beginning. But this storyline is vague, with open ending. And the fact that Sky is an online game with moving schedule on gameplay system... i think the devs decided to made sky story to be free of storyline boundary, open presentation.

We can take examples from those two spirits on isle : those two spirit once have a very different name and different cutscenes as well.

[queen locust]

Even Christians interpreted their doctrine differently

[teal orbit]

Yes hahaha

[hushed steeple]

just dont be mentioning too much about religion rn haha.

[queen locust]

Ah sorry- just had to make an example

[bitter shale]

I was gonna said soemthing else but english failed me lol

[teal orbit]

Haha

[sly lake]

yes! i think the devs have something, a story to go off from. but they also intend for us to be developers too if that makes sense! we can create our own stories

I get what you mean viridi!

[queen locust]

Glad ya do

[teal orbit]

All fair points

[queen locust]

christianity in general is whack-

[teal orbit]

Lets get back to lore tho

DRESDEN FIRESTORM

lets start with that

[hushed steeple]

i'm more used to having a base line to follow because knowing im on the right track keeps me going, which is also the reason i resumed doing other lore instead. but i love hearing all ur theories!

[teal orbit]

Ok

Back to dresden

[bitter shale]

Oh yeah, imo Sky is like an canvas. The devs painted a sketch and added basic solors. It is encouraged for the players to presented what that picture tell, with their own ideas and understanding

[hushed steeple]

dresden?

[teal orbit]

Yes

[hushed steeple]

what that

[teal orbit]

Thats what google is for

[hushed steeple]

i dont like google.

[queen locust]

it's like that one painting I saw in a hotel room once where I thought it was war but my uncle told me it was someone lost in a city somewhere

[hushed steeple]

her feet can withstand the harsh friction

[sly lake]

I found one article talking about with journey, the game only became a masterpiece once the dev team started cutting everything out, and leaving some of the...responsibility? in the hands of the player

"The more you look for it, the more you see that this creation-by-omission ethos is everywhere in Journey."

creation-by-omission sounds like sky too!

[bitter shale]

The devs give us basic lore : the world, the kingdom, the elders, the ancestors... it is free for you as the players to unferstand what story they try to tell with your own understanding, it is even encouraged to add your own details on those basic lore

[teal orbit]

Its how the allied bombs in ww2 melted ppl in the bomb shelters
What im trying to say is that must have happened to vault during eden boom

[hushed steeple]

a-

[bitter shale]

Individual understanding is quite fascinating, this is why i love stories that have vague details and open ending

[hushed steeple]

Plot twist: The knowledge in the vault of knowledge was actually the real world only accessible with a beta cape

Jkjk

[bitter shale]

Vault of P2W

[sly lake]

hahahaha

[teal orbit]

Office aint lore ppl

Lets steer clear

[hushed steeple]

for me, that makes me think too much and when i think too much, my mind goes in too uh- deep sometimes. uh- most of the time actuall-

[sly lake]

you did it, you cracked the TRUE mystery of sky!

[bitter shale]

....tbh it does the same effect on me lmao

[sly lake]

we know the office isnt canon, but we can still make jokes pyre

lore chat wont go off the rails if a few office jokes are made

[teal orbit]

Great now we are rlly in the crackpot zone

Off to read some webtoons~~~

[sly lake]

LOL

i see what you did there

[hushed steeple]

c a n n o n i n d e e d

[bitter shale]

But man, overthinking can be a good thing for a write like me

altho im lazy :kekk:

[sly lake]

i hope you have fun reading pyre!

[queen locust]

just make sure not to fall into a downward depressing existentialist spiral you're all good

[hushed steeple]

when i overthink- its never good, so i'm good the way i am. ahaha-

oh god- the nitro is killing me

soooo

[sly lake]

what do you guys think the ancestors used all the cut trees in rain forest for?

[hushed steeple]

hmm

structures?

[sly lake]

in the area before the temple, theres a ton of fallen trees

hmm could be! i wonder if the bridges we see are made of wood or stone

or maybe the trees are stone?!

[hushed steeple]

sky really reminds me of the real world u know...

[sly lake]

we dont see any leaves.....maybe theyre like petrified trees

[hushed steeple]

hmm possibly

[queen locust]

It's been a while, so maybe those trees weren't so petrified when the Kingdom was at its peak

[bitter shale]

You see, i kinda imagine they use woods as energy source before they find diamonds

[sly lake]

there are petrified forests where after a big volcano explosion, they were covered by ash and eventually turned to stone

[hushed steeple]

ah

[sly lake]

yes! maybe they were living once

[queen locust]

Perhaps they were used like how we use lumber

[sly lake]

if theyre petrified..it makes hidden forest a little sad. a graveyard of trees...

[queen locust]

Fun fact if there was some kind of volcanic activity- or at least some silicon-rich environment somewhere it wouldn't take all that long for the trees to be petrified like this

[hushed steeple]

i'll be off to break all my 10 fingers with ibis paint for now, see u!

[sly lake]

https://www.petrifiedforest.org/history heres what i was talking about!

whooaaa i didnt know that viridiave!

[queen locust]

aight don't BREAK your fingers-

But have fun in Ibis Ani

[sly lake]

omg ani please be careful

only break 9

[hushed steeple]

o. thats inevitable but oki!

i'll attempt to not break fingers

[bitter shale]

Break the nail instead

Jkjk-

[sly lake]

oohh ouch, or a hangnail

lol

anyways i want to explore this petrified forest idea now..got to mull things over in my brain

[queen locust]

Just call me Vir btw lmao- ViridiAve is a mouthful-

[bitter shale]

Viri :>

[queen locust]

or a handful cuz we're typin'

yeah that too-

Speaking of petrified forests Dismayed Hunter made me think a little too much

[sly lake]

she always makes me curious too

what is she shooting at? a mystery

[queen locust]

what exactly does it take for someone to earn a cape, and what was she hunting

[bitter shale]

Whales

[sly lake]

shes the only spirit we see with a weapon right?

[bitter shale]

Maybe

[bitter shale]

And taht guy with spear in office

[sly lake]

I remember seeing someone say that maybe she shot the whale whos bones we see crashed into the building near the bridges

[queen locust]

About the whales I had this one headcanon that I went over earlier where I think she had beef with the Whale Whisperer

[queen locust]

Oh yeah this-

[sly lake]

thats a dev! so not sure if we can count them i forget which dev though

[bitter shale]

Lmao so she just shot the whale down because of that?

[sly lake]

omg the ultimate revenge

poor whale

[queen locust]

Not just slow down the whale- but made it crash into that building

[sly lake]

i wonder if the whales were used to help transport the pots

maybe she was a pirate?

wanted to steal the light being shipped to the elder

[queen locust]

And I think that might have been an inciting incident for the war in Battlefield

if we're taking the environmental stance in the war anyway-

Not sayin' it was a cause, but it could be the reason unrest started to develop among the Ancestors- and inevitably the Elders

[sly lake]

im curious, do you think the elders weren't partners or friends? who do you think were enemies?

that sounds like a cool theory, i want to hear!

[queen locust]

Aw- have fun eating Boop

[sly lake]

aww bye boop! it was nice talking to you icon twin

pet the for me!

[bitter shale]

Imo they are homies

[queen locust]

I second that notion- they're homies

They all did come from the same place

[bitter shale]

From megabirb

Or uh orbit

[sly lake]

the stars

[queen locust]

Of course this doesn't mean some bad blood couldn't have developed somewhere along the line after they fell tho

Namely Isle Elder

[sly lake]

do you think theyre just actual stars given human(ish) shape

ooh whats this about isle elder

he always seemed so sad yet warm

[queen locust]

You know how Isle Elder's missing from the door to Eden

[sly lake]

oh you're right!

[bitter shale]

Imo they are indeed stars with humanoid shape

Uh like Yvaine from Neil Gaiman's Stardust

[queen locust]

Sometimes we talk about why he might have been omitted

[sly lake]

what do you think?

brb

[queen locust]

The technical reasoning is that Isle was a tutorial realm and they didn't have time to like... update the door or smthn before the launch iirc?

correct me if I'm wrong my memory's fuzzy there

[queen locust]

As for the lore-related reasoning I have for Isle Elder, mostly I think it has to do with the aftermath of the Prophecy and the Eden Elder's rise to power

This guy has the Prophets living in what's technically his basement and somewhere along the line I think they collectively had a premonition about the inevitable fall of the Kingdom

[sly lake]

back!

keep telling your theory

[graceful osprey]

but i'm quite sure shooting down a whale into a tree which makes a cave collapse with multiple lightminers inside, and destroying some pots in the distance would make her dismayed

i actually forgot how the spirit memory goes

[queen locust]

So I think he might have tried to warn the others, but listening to him wouldn't be beneficial at all so they kicked him out

Losing Isle wasn't all that detrimental, I can imagine- from how small it was

[sly lake]

the yellow kid in the prophecy murals is the eden elder, yah?

[queen locust]

That's how he's interpreted in this take, yep

[sly lake]

yeah isle in my headcanon used to be mostly pastural

[queen locust]

Take note that it may not actually be him tho

[sly lake]

maybe there used to be some small farms, fishing huts, before they were covered with sand

noted! but for this lets say that its him. I can see it!

so he was kinda like a false prophet, you think?

isle elder tried to sound the warning bells, but was kicked out instead?

[queen locust]

That's basically it for me yep

[lament crater]

Isle was pastural but erosion happened that's why it's sandy now

(I can't remember much from Earth Science tho sobs)

[queen locust]

gimme Isle with grass and lavender fields pls

[sly lake]

i like that theory a lot!

hes the only elder too that doesnt seem like he was in charge of a realm that abused the light

[sly lake]

could you imagine sounds so dreamy...

[queen locust]

Isle's size makes it hard for me to imagine what he could have used an excess amount of light and/or energy for

[sly lake]

i have to go, but thank you viri for being so welcoming here

[lament crater]

I liken Isle Elder to a lighthouse--I see them as a guide to ships passing through the realms

[sly lake]

yes! and now as a spirit he helps guide skykids on their journey

[queen locust]

Aighty- cya around then Wander!

[lament crater]

Ohhh wander are you new to lore? Welcome, then!

[sly lake]

sort of! i've lurked around but only stepped in today i've talked about it with friends though while playing!

ok i really have to go but hopefully i'll be back later

[lament crater]

Ohhh. we hope to see you soon!

[queen locust]

Have a nice day dude XD

[pseudo heart]

Howdee

Oof

[teal orbit]

I have returned

[teal orbit]

Canon says the vault and forest elders are related

That would be the only possible explanation as there were only 2 sentient beings that looked like cotl back then
Abd they were lighty and the eden elder
Lighty was stuck in orbit at the time
So by deductive reasoning its the eden elder

[teal orbit]

And rampaging boars

Ping me if lore chat comes back to life

[calm jewel]

What if we are the moth people from the animated Godzilla movies.

[teal orbit]

We in crackpot territory rn?

Or r we serious

[sly lake]

im not back technically but i think its a reach to say its Canon that vault and forest elders are related. be careful of saying something is canon!

[calm jewel]

And Godzilla is just taking a nice long nap.

[sly lake]

i dont see anything in the game saying that, so it feels like its your interpretation

[calm jewel]

Yep, just a what if lol.

[teal orbit]

Its a dev quote my friend u cant just deny it like that haha

[sly lake]

where? you're saying these things but I dont see anything?

saying outright that your theory is canon and others arent can stop other people from being comfortable sharing their thoughts here

[teal orbit]

Canon doc

Not a theory

[sly lake]

can you find it for me then?

[teal orbit]

I quoted the canon doc

Take a look plz

[sly lake]

im only here because you pinged, i dont have the time to find it

[teal orbit]

Im on my phone rn

[sly lake]

Im away from the computer at the moment too

[teal orbit]

I'll make sure i dm u that quote when i get to my laptop

[sly lake]

sky devs have also said that the realms take place in different times of the world of sky, and then other dev content has all realms in the same map

[queen locust]

https://docs.google.com/document/u/1/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit?ouid=111696134187527164036&usp=docs_home&ths=true

[sly lake]

Thank you viri!

[queen locust]

Here's the canon doc in case ya need it

okay back to covid tests

[sly lake]

Hmm I see it

[queen locust]

good luck ya'll

[sly lake]

thank you viri! hope you're safe

but "related" is a loose term

related could mean that theyre related as in they are both elders of a realm

just be careful when saying whats canon, cause you may end up shutting people down without meaning to Pyre sky is left intentionally vague

[queen locust]

Oh I meant I was writing a paper on it-

[sly lake]

and a lot of dev content and concepts contradict themselves too!

OH haha

well the sentiment still stands! xD i hope you're well

[teal orbit]

« The masks of forest and vault elders look similar because they are related »

[queen locust]

'Related' is very loose

[grim wedge]

You realize the beginning of that lore doc says:

Not everything is necessarily official canon for this season [of Sanctuary]. Though that can be applied to any season. Sometimes we need to break the fourth wall a bit to create good gameplay experiences.
I've seen some folks [...] come down pretty hard on one another about what "real and true canon" [...] It's for everyone to let their imaginations run wild, not to argue about who is correct or create some kind of gatekeeping.
(Ktjn said this)

[calm jewel]

An example is my Godzilla mothpeople.

[queen locust]

i see you too- are a person of culture-

[sly lake]

scoots up a chair

[teal orbit]

Yes

[teal orbit]

I was providing a quote

All i said that forest and vault elders were related

[queen locust]

Yep- and thanks for providing said quote dude

[teal orbit]

I even used the same words

[sly lake]

I apologize if I misinterpreted

[queen locust]

You're in the clear don't worry Pyre XD

[teal orbit]

English is not my first

Were there some hidden nuances?

[queen locust]

I'll leave ya'll too it then I need to summarize these texts

[sly lake]

and i got to go back to doing chores xD bye all

must. clean. everything

[calm jewel]

Baibaiiii

[teal orbit]

Until someone pings me with new theories I'll be away

[grim wedge]

I need to shower and get started on school Goodbye all!

[calm jewel]

I might hit you up with one sooner than you think.

[teal orbit]

Cold pings are always welcome

[livid crypt]

The masks of forest and vault elders look similar because they are related
"they" is also open to interpretation here. It could be understood to mean the masks are related, in terms of design or purpose or any number of other ways.

[hazy pawn]

@livid crypt I really like the glasses and flower in ur pfp

[calm jewel]

@livid crypt I like the beard.

[livid crypt]

But overall, it's a mistake to assume that a rigid interpretation was intended from a statement like the above quote, OR that we can or should read a full history of the world into it.

[teal orbit]

Coooool

A new interpretation

[livid crypt]

The mental exercise I recommend for any assumptions about "fact" in sky: reverse all your cause/effect assumptions and explore what happens if the opposite of a theory were true

[teal orbit]

Oh i do that all the time

I get this feeling ppl r forgetting i just provided a possibly related canon quote and i didnt interpret it

[grim wedge]

It's easy to forget when you make us feel like you're the only one who can provide cannon information and the rest of our ideas are "wrong"

[teal orbit]

I... do that?

I am A provider of canon info
Not THE provider

Also i always put in smth abt not forcing my ideas on u in my replies...

When i disagree

What else should i do to prove to u that i dont think your theories are wrong?

[livid crypt]

yes pyre, we've been trying to help you understand that for a while. the quote you provided is not proof, there is no completely undeniable fact in Sky, the world is, by design and intent, open to interpretation. Replying with refutations based on "canon" is aggressively dismissive and shuts down discussion. Suggesting that playing with ideas is "crackpot" is dismissive. Nothing needs to be proven.

[grim wedge]

Last night when I brought up magic you called magic the coward's way out

[teal orbit]

Crackpot was a bad word?
I didnt know that

I'll refrain from using that term

[grim wedge]

That's really disheartening to read, especially when you're trying to add to the ideas other people are sharing

[teal orbit]

It was a joke and i said i was srry

[livid crypt]

I'm not suggesting that crackpot is a bad word. I'm saying that dismissing others' play in this channel is bad form.

[teal orbit]

And i wont refute with canon i get that one

[livid crypt]

You are welcome not to participate if you don't like a given discussion. You are discouraged from telling people not to have those discussions or prove that they are wrong.

[teal orbit]

Ok

Sure

[meager canyon]

Wow so many mods

[sand abyss]

pffftt

do you mean: One Mod

[meager canyon]

While I've been here

I left for a bit

And another mod was here when I was here erlier

[sand abyss]

👁 oh dang i see i see!

[pastel brook]

Hush, you're disturbing my beauty sleep!

[sand abyss]

Oh! Let’s see, which topic shall we talk about today? mostly I just have topics of Spirits and Locations

[hushed steeple]

hello! whats happening rn?

[supple sluice]

Oh dear

Did pyre.... Oh...

Dang pyre

[hushed steeple]

?

[supple sluice]

You have not been on the good sides of the mods lately XD

[sand abyss]

I genuinely have no clue what happened here

[supple sluice]

Or

Yesterday

[hushed steeple]

ouhm

so uh-

[terse siren]

[hushed steeple]

lets discuss? do u have things to talk about-?

i'm feeling bored haha

[sand abyss]

hmm seasons... spirits .... locations.. animals??? Skykids????

lights???????

[hushed steeple]

hmmm

[sand abyss]

rhe mighty Oreo?! jkjk

[hushed steeple]

how about hermit valley? yeti's home? ovo

i saw lots of pots there

cracked ones too

[sand abyss]

Oh!!

Good start!!

[hushed steeple]

no sign of light creatures however u.u

[sand abyss]

since I’m quite curious about that fella’s place since the place opens in Live!

[hushed steeple]

and that battle axe thing- i forgot what its calle-

[hushed steeple]

ah right! haha

[sand abyss]

👀 i think battle axes is right, or just axes

[hushed steeple]

it looks like 2 battle axes lmao

[sly lake]

valley spirits are performers right?

[sand abyss]

hmm... true true. maybe it’s bc the light or even the dark creatures think that place too cold for them to live, hence the absence of animals in the Hermit Valley

[sly lake]

well these season spirits

[sand abyss]

perhaps so???

[hushed steeple]

not all, but the 2-

the uh-

spinning mentor and-

[sly lake]

we have two skaters (including the girl), a musician/dancer

[hushed steeple]

wait-

i-

i dont remember the names-

[sly lake]

...well and a postman but her quest is a race! maybe shes a racer?

there was a finish line

[hushed steeple]

i think she was teaching the girl how to jump properly!

[sand abyss]

interesting thought to keep in mind tho since Valley mostly known to have those like olympic champions or just civiliansreally

[sly lake]

maybe the yeti is another performer, and the axes are what he performed with before he became a hermit?

like juggling axes

[hushed steeple]

excuse me if i take a while to respond btw.
my t and y keys are broken ovo

[sly lake]

yeah good point! like a racer jumping over hurdles!

[sand abyss]

There’s a sport that allows people to either cut huge logs in limited amount of times, or throwing at the target!

[sly lake]

ooh yes! axe throwing!!

[hushed steeple]

ive actually learnt ice skating irl haha

[sand abyss]

niiiceee!

[sly lake]

i dont see yeti as anything but a shy and cuddly giant looking for a friend, so i can see those axes used for performing!

instead of war

[hushed steeple]

one thing, i did not jump that far- thats a death wish-

[hushed steeple]

mhm!

[supple sluice]

Ooo

[hushed steeple]

how aboutt he was using it to break open the pots?

[supple sluice]

Yanno.... Do you all think there were more hermits?

[sly lake]

these sky people are made of different stuff

[sly lake]

yeah maybe that too! or both? multipurpose axes

i like your thoughts ani

also radian im not sure but itd be cool if there was!

[hushed steeple]

l o l

[supple sluice]

Oop

Xd some of the group chat is working on a comic thing

[sly lake]

omg thats so sad..I can see that though. hes huge! and has horns! he probably is scary to most people, even though hes a gentle giant

[sand abyss]

👀 A headcannon of mine but... I kinda imagine the Yeti to be the secret protector of Valley. Like how those of the warriors who may do duties during the day may get tired from dealing with the night, so the Yeti comes in

[sly lake]

peeking postmans crush on him though is so cute

[supple sluice]

And the yeti is literally declared an enemy by the sky kingdom because he looked like he was throwing someone off a clifff

But he was just hugging someone real hard

[hushed steeple]

idrk what to talk about for season of dreams.... how about we discuss uh- hmmmm t r i a l s ovo

[supple sluice]

Or something

[sly lake]

you ever hug someone so hard they look like theyre falling off a cliff? has

[sand abyss]

[hushed steeple]

what about we talk bout boop's children? the wormsss

[supple sluice]

I believe they're dreams ahahah

[hushed steeple]

hehe

[supple sluice]

The entire like

[sly lake]

ooh and maybe the slope is like a guard outpost. like the ones in lord of the rings where they light the big bonfires on the mountaintops

[supple sluice]

Trials I belive they're dreams, specifically maybe the visions of the Prophets

[hushed steeple]

i believe that the trials were sort of 'man-made' by the prophets

but do tell me more about ur theory?

[supple sluice]

Mainly because... The trials are entered in by meditation spots. And to me the areas meditation spots take you (except for the ones with message prompts) to dreamlike areas, or like general spiritual areas

[hushed steeple]

ooh

[supple sluice]

So my idea is that the trials are all dreams/visions/whatever too

That somehow oddly affect the real world

[candid saddle]

ou

[hushed steeple]

:O

[supple sluice]

Again, I don't know if this is completely true

[hushed steeple]

hello there!

[supple sluice]

But it does seem confirmed that meditating in general brings you somewhere

Like meditating to go back home and the return shrine

[sand abyss]

👀 it is an interesting thought tho when thinking about it

[supple sluice]

Yeah

[hushed steeple]

awh

poor boop

ah, Pyre wishes for me to talk about his theory of the trials.
Don't worry, im nice xD

[candid saddle]

hmm..? im new here so i dont know what you're talking about

[hushed steeple]

ah

boop can u help moss?

hol on,

help them with uh- getting to know things?

please?

well uh-

[candid saddle]

oh nothing much, just digging my feet into the sand and seeing what everyone enjoys talking about here

[hushed steeple]

basically, we're on the topic of the seasonal of prophecy rn!

anyway-

[candid saddle]

alrighty c:

lemme read the pins

[hushed steeple]

according to Pyre: Meditation spots focus your energy and power to initiate complex jobs like inter-dimensional teleportation, dream state initiation, and remote messaging... Without these spots, the most u would be able to do is teleport to friends or homespace.

if u wish to object or have another view/take on this, feel free to share!

[candid saddle]

big words, icic

[slate saffron]

Hello! I'm back from my sleep
Anyways I'm bringith evidence of whale tamming!

here's an image of a whale skeleton for reference

[supple sluice]

Oo

[slate saffron]

Anyways so I took a trip to the graveyard to take a photo a of a few skeletons

Now the skull on the 2nd and 3rd image look eerily simular to the baby whale skeleton on the reference image, right?

[candid saddle]

i like to think that meditation spots are a way that sky children can communicate to each other as a way to know they're not alone, and the spots originated from the individuals from before the children came.
the spots that teleport kiddos work in a similar way, but has an end destination in which the child can transport too. that's all i have right now

[slate saffron]

And the rib cages shown would definitely fit this body

[candid saddle]

ouu i agree

[slate saffron]

Now we also gotta consider this guy

He's a solider (obviously)

But look at his mask!

[candid saddle]

:0

[slate saffron]

It's design is also reminiscent of the whale skull!

[supple sluice]

I never actually noticed that

[whole jay]

That mask also looks like a elder mantas head (that big one in Sanctuary)

[slate saffron]

Which probably means that soliders from the sky kingdom have some relation to whales as well

[sly lake]

thats an interesting thought! I hadnt thought about the fact that these meditation spots may have been existing long before skykids came around. Continuing from this theory...it makes it sound like these spots are concentrated places of power, or energy. Like leylines that skykids can tap into! And in the past, maybe ancestors who were attuned to the magic of the world?

[supple sluice]

And... Aren't like all the soldier makss also like lesser versions of that mask?

[candid saddle]

they must've had a connection with the whales then

[slate saffron]

Yeah!

[supple sluice]

Hm...

[meager canyon]

Oooo

[slate saffron]

Now this obviously begs the question "why tame whales?!?!"

[supple sluice]

So.... Maybe... Wasteland used to house whales...

[meager canyon]

It does!

[supple sluice]

Then they... Died.... And became the bones and stuff in the krill party zone

[candid saddle]

yeye! im happy you enjoyed my little theory :D

[supple sluice]

And.... I guess maybe they became consumed by the goop???

[meager canyon]

At the tunnel going to wasteland you can see a whale going through the clouds!

[slate saffron]

Well there's a good reason! Whales have a harden head that would definitely be good for taking on the krill (who are already a major threat)

[supple sluice]

And also hi there's krill Tsadi better kill them

Ooo Kay i gotta go, i gotta finish geometry and there's too many freaking distances i gotta calculate

[meager canyon]

Is there a mechanisim for the meditation spot stone thing to appear everyday for each realm??

[slate saffron]

But based on the graveyard, it's likely the whales were killed quite often by the krill

[supple sluice]

Oo

[slate saffron]

Or atleast died out on mass as a result of the war against them!

[supple sluice]

Okay then

Only complaint is....

[slate saffron]

This would also explain why we only ever see a whale 3 times during the game

[supple sluice]

The skeleton of the whale is wide. The creature in the forest area is tall and thin....

[meager canyon]

Maybe krill's are whales who lived in gw and has evolved to adapt to the surroundings!!

[slate saffron]

(One in the underground of the Forrest, one at the beginning, and one at eden)

[supple sluice]

So in other words it's.... Uh.... The other way around shape wise?

[meager canyon]

Beggining?

[slate saffron]

The whales have a large mid-section that thins out into a tail

Of GW

Sorry

[meager canyon]

Oh okay

[supple sluice]

Hmmm...

[hushed steeple]

my internet is back and im back-

[supple sluice]

The way the creature moves though...

[meager canyon]

Hai ani!

[sly lake]

welcome to lore chat btw! im newer in this channel too happy to have you here

[meager canyon]

It seems quite flexible

[supple sluice]

It implies that it moves thin side up

Not wide side up like the whale skeletons

I think they're completely different species but I could be wrong!

[meager canyon]

Maybe... Those arent whale skeletons

[supple sluice]

👀

But

Whale call is gathered from the bones tho

Unless you mean the ones in wasteland-

[meager canyon]

I don't know

[hushed steeple]

ouhm, mind if i ask for the topic?

[meager canyon]

Okay!!!

[hushed steeple]

so- topic?

[meager canyon]

Whales :)

[supple sluice]

Op

[hushed steeple]

ah, thanks!

[meager canyon]

Ohhh yeah the spirit manta calls!

Lol we really need a name everybody uses.... I've seen a bunch of names for the transparent mantas

[supple sluice]

Hm

[meager canyon]

Ghost mantas, spirit mantas, cosmic mantas,

[whole jay]

Ghost mantas?

[supple sluice]

.... I think that's just a dead Manta

[grim wedge]

I believe they're called "spirit mantas" in game?

[supple sluice]

Like spirit Mants

[hushed steeple]

correct

[supple sluice]

Yeah

[meager canyon]

The quests call it spirit mantas

[slate saffron]

Nvm, apparently the skeletons in wasteland are actually whurtles

A unrelated species, but similar in size to whales

[supple sluice]

Yeah

Hm

.... Maybe they were like

[meager canyon]

Ohhh! Spirit mantas are dead mantas, that's very interesting. I always thought they where a different species specific to vault

[candid saddle]

we can be new together :Y
it seems okay so far! some communities are very gatekeepy and im happy that this place is more open

[supple sluice]

Bred off of normal whales

For the purpose of smashing buildings or smth

[meager canyon]

Oooo

[slate saffron]

No, apparently they're extinct in game!

[supple sluice]

Either way they seem to wanna help us in a way-

What

[slate saffron]

The whurtles are extinct

[supple sluice]

I thought whurtles showed up in forest and-

Huh.

[slate saffron]

[meager canyon]

Thats what the last forest area looks like- once a building or something destroyed

Maybe whurtles destroyed gw :0

[supple sluice]

.... Then what's the building smasher then!?

[meager canyon]

Whurtles

[supple sluice]

But

[meager canyon]

Thats very interesting

[supple sluice]

Wh-

[slate saffron]

Besides that, they're still the possibility of whales bring tamed by the sky millitary for war use!

Just...less likely

[supple sluice]

Okay

[candid saddle]

the cosmic whales? i think they're a separate species from original whales, or maybe spirits that enjoy the dark corners of vault. maybe they originated from the place the elders rest

[supple sluice]

I have one person telling me whurtles are extinct

And one saying they're not

I am confused

[candid saddle]

whurtles?

[meager canyon]

The mask in prophecy! Idk what species they are but maybe their whurtles

[slate saffron]

I think the cosmic whale is actually a cosmic mega-manta

[supple sluice]

I think it's supposed to be just tortoise

If you mean the water prophet

[meager canyon]

Idk

Yep the water prophet

[supple sluice]

Uhhhh

.... In that case we may need to... Uh....

Lemme ask someone

[candid saddle]

ou, the masks arent linked to anything in the game (other than spirits wearing them for their season), but anything is up to interpretation so that's why others might have different views on what it is :)

[meager canyon]

At this point I'm resisting the temptation of calling them Warturtles

[slate saffron]

We must grieve the loss of the whurtles ;-;

[slate saffron]

WAAAAAAR TUUUUUURTLES

[meager canyon]

My pokemon geek self is trying to break free

[supple sluice]

XDDDD

Plot twist everything in sky evolves like Pokémon

[meager canyon]

Omg

Okay, LETS STAY ON TOPIC LOL

[supple sluice]

XD

I CAN'T STAY MUCH LONGER

I HAVE CLASS WORK TO DO

[candid saddle]

do your work radian, that's much more important than discord

[slate saffron]

YEAH GO DO YOUR WORK

[bitter shale]

@candid saddle jiji!

My apologies, but i like your pfp

[bitter shale]

its heavily hinted they were used on the war sooooooo

[candid saddle]

heavily hinted?

[meager canyon]

Theory : the sky world is connected to the real world, but we are underwater so deep that its actually the sky under the water

[bitter shale]

They all dead on gw graveyard, you can find some weapons there so yeah

Tbh i havent seen the beta turtle yet, might gonna check it soon

[candid saddle]

oh that

[meager canyon]

Wait... Shouldn't we be calling whurtles wurwhales?

They are whales Right?

[bitter shale]

What if humanity indeed exist but they live underwater and heavily mutated since they have to adapt to survive in the sea

[meager canyon]

Thats why we have underwater creatures

[bitter shale]

Whale that have turtle head

[prisma wolf]

casually wandering in here for the first time to chat (I do peek to read sometimes) anyways I wanted to see if lore peeps had any ideas for why the sanctuary crabs are more aggressive

[bitter shale]

Does that mean there is a swimming birbs?

[candid saddle]

sanctuary crabs have more light exposed to their bodies, so they go grrrr

[candid saddle]

more energy

[bitter shale]

Maybe because there are lots of them in one cramped place

I mean look at those crabs on shipwreck area. That area is much more wide than the sanct cave

[prisma wolf]

crabs don't like having roommates oh I do like that idea

[bitter shale]

Also yeha maybe sinve they exposed with lights? Sanctuary literally packed with those mantas wooing around

[meager canyon]

Omg what if you go underwater so deep in our world you end up In sky, and if you go down the clouds you end up on land with water and if you go under that water there's another sky, repeat for eternity and you have the multiverse

[bitter shale]

Now i need to stop you right there lmao thats kinda made me dizzy

[hushed steeple]

ouhm, can i ask for what exactly is the topic rn?

[bitter shale]

Underwater birbs

[meager canyon]

Wait so....... SKY : COTL IS BASICALLY HEAVEN?!?!

[candid saddle]

i don't know

[bitter shale]

So what orbit then? Double heaven?

[slate saffron]

Heaven but with more h o n k