lore-discussion-spoilers

[hushed steeple]

I think thats a sanctuary whale too. But from the front. And longer fins

[stark marten]

Yeah, the fins are a bit longer, but otherwise it looks very similar, just shown from the front

[hushed steeple]

Agree

[stark marten]

Could have been different stages of concept/design process

[hushed steeple]

But I also think there was other much much larger light critters who we don’t get to see yet because they died.

I half feel theres an idea that its a kinda, evolutionary chain. Mantas become hexwing mantas become whales or canths.

[stark marten]

Maybe so, there are definitely a lot of ideas that either didn't make it into the game or were scrapped while it was still in early beta, so it makes piecing things together more difficult lol

[sacred rapids]

that elder manta looks s t r e t c h e d

[hushed steeple]

Happy they dropped “war between creatures and elders” because the idea of all these big fishies going to war, well I just find silly.

[sacred rapids]

I mean this one

[hushed steeple]

I would think as they get bigger they get more of those dark bone like structures visible, but.....some of the little bird manta things in prairie have dark beaks/heads

[exotic berry]

Unrelated while I’m thinking of it:
Any chance this is an artistic interpretation of the megabird?
The other markings resemble the birds from the crab cave murals, and they all seem to be converging. Also, little boat man.

[hushed steeple]

100%

[sacred rapids]

yeah a old concept of megan is what that is

[hushed steeple]

OH AND ITS CREEPY

BECAUSE THE WATER WHISPERS

[exotic berry]

I am late to the party in this one.

[hushed steeple]

WHEN YOU STAND IN IT

[lethal stump]

it’s megabird giving flame to the prince, from the old backstory timeline

[sacred rapids]

IM SORRY WHAT KAMILICO???

[exotic berry]

I must go now. The waters call me.

[hushed steeple]

When you stand in the water you can hear faint voices

[pseudo heart]

I'm sorry

What

[sacred rapids]

[lethal stump]

that’s not from the water

iirc it’s the portal

[pseudo heart]

I just woke up—

[lethal stump]

it’s meant to be office ambiance, like the sound of the office when they’re working

[hushed steeple]

Ok maybe its just office noises

[sacred rapids]

thank megan it isn't the water

[pseudo heart]

Dkwjjwhwhwjd

[hushed steeple]

But it does sound pretty whispery

[pseudo heart]

It's telling u to do something productive

[hushed steeple]

Thats their fault for making this game

[pseudo heart]

Legit

[exotic berry]

Easier to hear if you’re floating, and angle the camera to be in the water. There’s a definite conversation. But I can’t tell what they’re saying.

[pseudo heart]

U know what

Lemme run there real quick

[lethal stump]

it’s probably several people talking at once

[exotic berry]

I never pretend to know. It hurts too much.

[hushed steeple]

I mean. Im sure its not important considering its office related.

But still interesting

[pseudo heart]

Lmao ye we're past the office spirit gate now

[exotic berry]

Well probably. But it also sounds vaguely like someone is singing.

[sacred rapids]

Aurora is practicing

[hushed steeple]

Maybe a cut end credit song?

on a side note imagine the office island is boat man head

[sacred rapids]

what?

oh nvm

[exotic berry]

There is a tiny shining house on the hill before the water. It bothers me.

[exotic berry]

.hack// reference?

[sacred rapids]

Aurora is the singer at the end orbit scenes and other places

so reference I guess lol

[exotic berry]

I am enlightened. Thank you.

[sacred rapids]

she is also listed in the credits to

[hidden scaffold]

Didnt know theres office ambience there, BGM loud

[long snow]

what do yall think about the valley maze

[queen locust]

i find it extremely weird that it exists in the temple-

[long snow]

yea

and esp where the uh

winged light is

what is that

part

[queen locust]

It looks to be a storage of some kind though

[long snow]

theres like

a tiny bowl of stuff

then some pots n stuff

very fink fonk

i think i have a pic of it saved somewhere

like the lil scrolls

or rolling pins (my frist hought for whatever reason)

[hidden scaffold]

yes please

[long snow]

im doing a cr rn tho i might send it later

hm

[long snow]

oo

another rly interesting thing to me is

the random

[queen locust]

Also there's this random hole

[long snow]

holes of light in the ceiling of some buildings

like

are they just holes or

what if it rains 😃

well technically there shouldnt be rain bc theyre above the clouds right

wait

no

there could be rain

dhfhsdhhf

[queen locust]

heck what if there's an AVALANCHE

[long snow]

clouds on top of clouds 😳

[hidden scaffold]

ventilation maybe? castles need holes right...? :v

and theyre above the clouds ur right. forest is the exception, is probably a bit under the cloud

[long snow]

i think valley suffered a rly bad snow/ice storm and/or weird erosion stuff bc a lot of the buildings n stuff seems to have sunk under (ex sliding race, citadel)

hm

[long snow]

yee if u fly up the ones on the left theres a secret social area !

i have some pics of it

its pretty plain tho

a boat some flat green ground and 2 benches

[queen locust]

I guess so since other temples have ventilation- but doesn't the valley temple have high windows near the ceiling for that

[long snow]

then theres a pretty view of an entrance to rainfoest

hmm

ye

the lattice patterns

didnt they say that valley and gw shared the pattern

[queen locust]

They did- gimme a sec-

[long snow]

in the temples

like the uh

windowy

[queen locust]

oh wait temples shoot

i don't have the windows sorry vnrnfnej

[long snow]

well theyre there

i dont have pics either

but ive heard someone talk about it and i saw it

yeehaw

hmm

also i feel like the broken temple in gw is kinda an exact clone of the forest temple

[queen locust]

oh it is

[long snow]

idk why that would be so tho

hmm

bc gw and forest are def related in some way

hmfsadhfahdfma

[queen locust]

That I actually have pics of-

[hidden scaffold]

even the OOBs share the same assets

gw and valley are the same

[long snow]

rly

wait could u explain how gw and valley r the same

hfahsdfhshdf

[rugged barn]

What are you guys talking about? I just came and there's so many text...

[long snow]

this server is rather active due to the large community so yea theres bound to be a lotta stuff

uh just talking about gw

golden

wasteland

[hidden scaffold]

ye mate, you exit valley temple and theres the space between there to the GW spiral entrance right?

they have the same roof style up until there

after that they GW use more bricks and stuff, no habitable buildings

[long snow]

[queen locust]

When you think about it though why WOULDN'T they have the same architecture

They're part of the same Kingdom

[long snow]

i havent rly thought up of a good headcanon yet tbh FADHFH

[queen locust]

And I'm not talking about them once possibly being one realm

[hidden scaffold]

i like to think that GW is the lower area/slums part of valley

[long snow]

i feel like an interesting (cursed 😳) thought/concept would be gw without pollution/effects of war

[queen locust]

I mean them being literally part of the same Kingdom and you know- of course they'd share the same architecture-

It's not as cursed as you think when it's kind of plastered all over the level design tho

[long snow]

hmm

[queen locust]

Though once I heard someone compare GW and Valley being two sides of the same coin

[long snow]

also another question i have about lore is why there are so many pipes

[queen locust]

Might have been Brick-

[long snow]

oo

i think gw has bricks

somewhat

[queen locust]

Iirc both Valley and GW represent capitalism to some degree-

[long snow]

in the building at the battlefield

when u climb up there r bricky parts

hmm

[hidden scaffold]

the pipes go all the way to eden btw

[queen locust]

Valley being the glory of capitalism and GW being the dirty schemes used to achieve that glory or something along those lines

[long snow]

i also agree with/believe vok is a temple connected to gw

hmm

perhaps

valley is kinda in ruins tho

in a way

a lot of stuff is broken/lost under the snow

[queen locust]

Valley may be in ruins but you can see that it's still a glorious place compared to the rest of the very dilapidated Kingdom

[long snow]

hmm

[queen locust]

ESPECIALLY when put right next to the desolate Wasteland

[long snow]

well definitely compared to gw

FSAJDFJ

ye

hmm

[hidden scaffold]

guess we'll see a part of it recovered thru the new season

[queen locust]

Citadel looks like it was built to last and showcase its glory for generations to come even after everything else has been tarnished with time

[long snow]

:0

oo

what would the big circley things be for

just for looks?

what purpose might it have had

[queen locust]

But everything about Wasteland except for the King propaganda feels expendable

[long snow]

citadel looks like its slowly sinking

😳

[queen locust]

Oh those are Armillary Spheres

The spinny circle things I mean

[long snow]

oo

[hidden scaffold]

Citadel does look like the town square/center of the city-

[long snow]

kinda in a way

[queen locust]

The big one in the middle is believed to represent the solar system that the world of Sky is a part of

[long snow]

bc there seem to be either bridges or house tops n rooves covered by the clouds

[queen locust]

but I've no clue about those smaller spheres

[long snow]

oo

hm

maybe they could resemble realms

how many are there

2 or 4?

[queen locust]

Just two of them- plus the three in the Temple

[long snow]

BFHASDHF cant remember off the top of my head

wait three in temple ?

👁️👄👁️

[queen locust]

wait no it might have been 2

[long snow]

maybe the smaller ones could be light and dark

[queen locust]

idk

[long snow]

hmm

[queen locust]

Here's the two in the temple

[hidden scaffold]

Theres 6 of em realms

What abt the number of spirits in the valley constellation?

[long snow]

yea i thought there were either 4 or 2 spheres in the citadel
if there were 4 then realms could make sense

[long snow]

:0

[queen locust]

There are like- 7 spirits in the constellation though

[long snow]

hmm

also i feel like a common motif that might be significant is the structure of a huge mountain with a crack down the middle

[queen locust]

And I don't know about them representing light and dark because I'm not sure that they were aware that there was a balance of some kind

[hidden scaffold]

dang, so its decor until proven otherwise :"v

[long snow]

oo

hafhsdfhads

[hidden scaffold]

thats where the megabirb/eden door is

was a trademark since Journey, they had that mountain too

[long snow]

ye

its there in uh

sanctuary island

[queen locust]

It's also representative of a duality of some kind in Valley

[long snow]

then valley

then possibly in gw bc i remember thinking baout it lol

or maybe not in gw

hmm

[hidden scaffold]

prairie entrance too after isle :v

[long snow]

:0

yes yes

[stark marten]

Entrance to Prophecy cave as well

Kinda

[long snow]

hmm

[hidden scaffold]

the more realistic version of walking inside a crook

[queen locust]

wonder why these people were so obsessed with carving walkways inside gigantic rocks

or maybe those were natural and they thought it'd be cool to build around that

[hidden scaffold]

cus its free real estate, nobody would want to do so

[queen locust]

in which case I'll praise them for their sense of aesthetic

[long snow]

hmm

well theres nothing in the sanctuary island crack

maybe it evolves over time

o for forest

maybe uh

in the middle/beginning part after the bridge could count

well

not rly

it is a hole of osme sort

but not rly a crack

[stiff pawn]

Interesting topic I have walked into

[long snow]

cracks 👋 in 👉 rocks 🗻

[hidden scaffold]

Ah, entrance to sunny forest

[queen locust]

Other than the one in Valley I'm not really sure if the other ones are that symbolic

[long snow]

hm

[queen locust]

Invoking a sense of wonder for the surroundings maybe but not much else is notable

[long snow]

also another cursed thing is the way the clouds act as tree leaves 😃

hm

[hidden scaffold]

It has always bothered me

did forest elders' minions cut the top off????

[long snow]

i subconsiously understood and dint care until someone talked baout it

😃

[hidden scaffold]

😭

[long snow]

also another thing

like the beginning part

after the first door

of forest

might be some type of dock

right

there are boats in their lil

idk

rooms?

[hidden scaffold]

good point

[long snow]

and theres a bridge right there

well their boats fly so

[hidden scaffold]

its their parking lot loool

[long snow]

the runes under the bridge show pots in boats flying in trees

🤩

also yet another question

if the rain is toxic why is the water nontoxic

in forest

and if mushrooms/fungi are parasits towards trees n stuff why are they plants of light

[hidden scaffold]

i think in this world, mushrooms are just epiphyte

so they dont steal nutrients

[long snow]

gn

hm

[pseudo heart]

The plants do

[long snow]

maybe they steal light from the dead trees and thats where they get their own light

[pseudo heart]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

But they don't always grow on trees

[long snow]

they do in forest

right

?

[hidden scaffold]

no like theyre also on stones

[long snow]

rly?

[pseudo heart]

Ye

[hidden scaffold]

they prolly just need to use another object for elevation

[long snow]

wait what

where/when

[modest gale]

in the underground cavern yeah

[pseudo heart]

Yeyeye

[long snow]

hUh

👁️👄👁️

panik

OH

the cavern

ohohohho

okok

hmm

[pseudo heart]

Honestly that's the whole lore channel summarized

[long snow]

the cavern is interesting

lJFALMSDF

[modest gale]

technically they do grow on moss(?) in the cavern

[pseudo heart]

Yep

[long snow]

even tho its underground theres still light at the v top

[exotic berry]

We’re talking about my mushrooms?

[long snow]

yes

[pseudo heart]

Yeyyeye

[long snow]

🤩

and why were people leaving pots of butterflies everywhere

sus

[exotic berry]

I love my mushes.

[long snow]

o ye they do grow on rocks too

hmm

and how did they get the technology for using light to open doors n stuff

[exotic berry]

The Prairie Elder shows that the ancestors turned light into butterflies, and the butterflies were stored in the pots. I believe they’re a form of fuel, as the flying boats don’t appear on murals until the first falling star mural, which is revealed to be a skykid.

[long snow]

ye

hm

[pseudo heart]

Power diamonds

[queen locust]

Despite how Underground Cavern is presented btw it doesn't look like it's at sea level

[long snow]

kinda like batteries?

hm

well ye its kinda in the clouds

[queen locust]

We have clouds at the bottom of it

[exotic berry]

That’s what I’ve gathered, yes.

[pseudo heart]

Oh yeah

[long snow]

hmm

[pseudo heart]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[queen locust]

also Ali I see you've changed your name lmao

[pseudo heart]

Yes

[long snow]

well another thing is that each elder seems to have one

[pseudo heart]

This is my final form

Harassing the King's edgy mech

[exotic berry]

Also, I don’t believe the clouds are natural. The murals in Cave of Prophecy seem to imply there’s something to do with that ascendancy ritual the season was about, maybe them being a byproduct of the ancestor’s technology. Like lost bits of light too diluted for them to use, but not so for skykids.

[queen locust]

The Intro cutscene I think would hint at that too

[hidden scaffold]

we skids are environment-friendly hippies

[queen locust]

See how after the Kingdom fell, most of it was covered in clouds

[pseudo heart]

No his mech just looks so damn uglee

[exotic berry]

Is the figure in the ceiling the prince or the king, you think?

[queen locust]

oh we don't just think

we have entire hordes of theories built upon that concept

[exotic berry]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-iasip-charlie-conspiracy-gif-11562330

I just got done photographing what I could of the prophecy murals and isle of dawn murals.

[exotic berry]

The bridge/culvert mural seems to show the Hidden Forest colony or outpost in its heyday, making pots and diamonds for the other outposts to use.

I done killed the channel.

[queen locust]

Nah relax I was tryna find this thing

somehow I'm still not convinced that's Forest but then again the logistics would be in my face like

[hidden scaffold]

? waiting for screens / theory to drop :3

[queen locust]

Why would there be a mural of Wasteland in some random shrine under the bridge in Forest

That kind of thing

[exotic berry]

(There’s also an itty bitty shrine arch symbol behind the rocks. It cute.)

[hidden scaffold]

wait thats a gate no-?

[exotic berry]

Yeah seems like it. I just didn’t think of what to call it.

[hidden scaffold]

It does show how plentiful the resources were in HF

the boats and pots

[queen locust]

Very quick question concerning this mural though what could that tiny thing at the very top be

A figure above the temple that looks like a structure of some kind

[exotic berry]

Looks like Eden’s spire.

[queen locust]

Eden's spire isn't visible there now, but I guess it could have been back then

But at the same time- Eden is depicted with different structures

[pseudo heart]

Maybe it's like one of Valley's floating structures

[queen locust]

exactly that yes

[pseudo heart]

Aaaa speaking of eden

Gotta make da mep

Oh btw

Does anyone have the other isle temple murals

[exotic berry]

(I wonder if any other gates are hidden in murals)

Sanc or Dawn?

[pseudo heart]

Dawn

[exotic berry]

Deep

Derp*

[pseudo heart]

Lmao

[exotic berry]

Uh bunch’s birds and

[pseudo heart]

Thamk

Now lemme go do smth for a sec

[exotic berry]

I need to take pics of the first few in the game because it shows the first sky kid landing

Which corresponds to this memory.

[pseudo heart]

Oh the ushering stargazer spirit

[hidden scaffold]

yknow... that part changes a lot of theories in this game

that mean there's a small period where both ancestors and skykids could interact in the living world?

[pseudo heart]

U know.. it could be that they're the same guy as in the mural

but

The murals seem to show that they were expecting the shiny boi

[queen locust]

I don't think it could have been a skid that's anything like we see in game

[pseudo heart]

Waving at him even

[hidden scaffold]

i guess he's the actual prince?

[weak wharf]

The most common theory is that the s.kid seen there is the prenc-

[exotic berry]

I think so, yeah. The other memory shows them learning and making candles to try to trap light or commune with the elder?

[pseudo heart]

Where???

[hidden scaffold]

In the candlemaker's home

[pseudo heart]

Pointing candlemaker

[pseudo heart]

Oooh

[queen locust]

Pointing Candlemaker- but I don't think that's the purpose that the candles could have been meant for

They don't trap the Elder- we see them interacting not only in this mural

But with the others in the other Prophecy murals

[pseudo heart]

Yee

Isle grandpa seem to have been followed by many

[exotic berry]

Not trap but kind of communicate? I dunno. Like. -I- get the impression it ties into the Fire mural in CoP, like, that was a proto-candle? But I could be. Way left field with that.

[hidden scaffold]

Candles are offerings to summon the elder (who could be either alive or dead by then)

[queen locust]

barely anything- Isle Elder is the Elder most depicted on murals-

[pseudo heart]

Oh ye

[pseudo heart]

Lsiwjhwjwjw

I sent that

And immediately took it back

[queen locust]

Those- just look like trees to me

[exotic berry]

He does the birdsss

[pseudo heart]

He has the role of a shepherd

[weak wharf]

Others can at least learn to shepherd birds though, as seen with the 2nd spirit in the Laughing spirit's cutscene-

[exotic berry]

They are. It just gives me the impression that it might be how they got the idea of using candles for light trapping or holding? Idk. This fire is making the clouds that invigorate sky kids. Idk idk. Just my gut impression.

[weak wharf]

I think that mural more represents the actual trial itself?

'Cause you can see the fire creating smoke, and the Trial of Fire has a lot of black smoke.

[exotic berry]

Very possible! Very much so. Or might also show their level of technology pre-diamond. Idk!

[queen locust]

I don't see how it could represent the trial itself when it doesn't depict the purpose of the trial itself

[hidden scaffold]

yep. aside from relevance with the fire trial, thats also the orange light we find falling down in Forest (usually during enchantment/daily quest)

[weak wharf]

Which makes me wonder- did the Trial of Fire come to be due to a Forest burning down?

[queen locust]

You don't see a depiction of the dark worms, nor are there trees in the Trial

[exotic berry]

The area pre-temple seems to show signs of burning?

[queen locust]

The Trials I think aren't made by anything physical- moreso they're just created in the minds of the Prophets

the Trials don't seem real at all, for one

Real in the physical sense at least- because we see that we learn wisdoms of some kind from it

But the only impact it leaves on the physical world is the summoning of their corresponding murals

[weak wharf]

Hm yeah-
Since when you "die" in the Trials you don't actually lose WL-

[exotic berry]

But then there’s the Winged Light “trapped” in each trial. But then we get into game mechanic vs lore.

[long snow]

wait what are those lil squiggles
darkness plants?

my first msg got deleted for whatever reason

[exotic berry]

I think those are tongues of flame.

[long snow]

👁️🕳️👁️

[hidden scaffold]

that... thats fire

[queen locust]

They don't seem trapped more that they're lying there in wait

[long snow]

oo

but we dont

see fire

on trees much else

and the trees in the forest dont look very burnt

[hidden scaffold]

its been raining for 500 years 😂😂

[weak wharf]

Wait-

[long snow]

theyre not deformed in any way

[weak wharf]

Which realm was Fire related to again?

[long snow]

gw

[queen locust]

Wasteland

Feeding into the Wasteland was a Forest theory

[long snow]

🕳️👄🕳️

[exotic berry]

I got the impression Wasteland was a city at some point. Like. The apex of their Civ.

[weak wharf]

Hm so what if the fire burned down the pre-existing trees that were in Wasteland?
Since the mural in the first rainy area of Forest show that there were indeed trees in Wasteland.

[long snow]

hmm

[queen locust]

i've been told that wasn't the Wasteland Temple-

[hidden scaffold]

Wasteland temple is a large obelisk

[queen locust]

I've yet to make that apology even though I disagree-

[weak wharf]

O hm-

[long snow]

well maybe wasteland mightve moved their temple due to the war

[queen locust]

And I'm not arguing that Wasteland was a city, but could it be possible that it was once a Forest-

That was cleared and burnt down to MAKE WAY for said city

[long snow]

bc at the beginning of wasteland is the broken temple which happens to be identical to forest

[exotic berry]

True.

[exotic berry]

This is interesting. I haven’t noticed that.

[long snow]

ye most of hte spirits seem to be dedicated to tearing down the place

we got miners, hunters, n lumberjacks

👁️💧👄💧👁️

[queen locust]

akasjajk and here I thought you were referring to Wasteland-

[exotic berry]

They seem like frightened settlers, to me. Trying to eke out a living and get a foot hold.

[long snow]

o i meant forest

[exotic berry]

I am lost. Mother, hold me.

[long snow]

ye the wasteland spirits all look so traumatized KFKASJKFJK

except for the courageous soldier

mans standin there like 🧍‍♂️

[weak wharf]

Well the Wasteland spirits were because they lived in the time of war so-

[queen locust]

Courageous Soldier don't give a heck

[long snow]

ye

[weak wharf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[long snow]

😔

so courageous

but the thing is

the spirits are so small

[queen locust]

Something minor I noticed about the Wasteland spirits by the way-

Their graves are weirdly far apart from one another in social space

[long snow]

if the courageous soldier really was one i feel like theyd be WAY to small to handle any of the weapons we see

hmm

[queen locust]

They seem more isolated from each other compared to other realms

[long snow]

ye

z

oop

kinda fonky

i dont rly think much of it tho

[weak wharf]

Well there isn't a lot of communication in between civilians in wartime so :/

[long snow]

[exotic berry]

Odd to notice. But is that a trend that was continued by Valley? They seem a bit more spacious than Forest, which is more spacious than prairie, than isle.

[long snow]

the isle graves seem v cramped

ye

vok spirits are kinda spread apart too ish

hm

[queen locust]

Valley had three spirits off to the side and that kind of bothered me a bit

[long snow]

hmm

[queen locust]

The others are clustered closely around the gazebo-thing

In Forest, they're closely packed together

[long snow]

WAIT LMAO BAHAHAH IF U CMD F "HMM" IN THIS CHANNEL AL LTHE RECENT ONES ARE FROM ME :flushbluh

no

yes

[queen locust]

In Prairie, they're found on a small hill- pretty close, with the exception of Laughing Light Catcher

Who's closer to the entrance

I used the wrong whose I am ashamed of myself-

[exotic berry]

Could be a thematic approach by the team, showing how through life, connections fall apart between people and isolation creeps in.

[long snow]

i personally dont rly think the locations of the grave mean much but hh

ye

perhaps

[queen locust]

I find it neat that the Soldier is the closest one to the entrance of Wasteland

And then there was Frightened Refugee close to the bonfire

She deserves it she's pretty shaken up-

[exotic berry]

Refugee is an interesting term.

[long snow]

ye

[uneven grotto]

Interesting to note that all the weapons and shields in GW are roughly the Elder's size, but the spirits are all normal size.

[exotic berry]

Yessss.

[long snow]

where did the frightened refugee come from?

[exotic berry]

Those spears are absolutely massive.

[long snow]

yea,, then what would the courageous soldier spirit have done for the war?

[queen locust]

once I think it was said that the weapons in Battlefield were wielded by giant Ancestors

[long snow]

same

maybe thats why there are only 6-7 of them left

[queen locust]

By a Dev iirc

[exotic berry]

Also, I realized that in the ark area, one of the obelisks was actually an anchor. The proportions in Wasteland are insane.

[uneven grotto]

It's like all the main warriors were massive elder dudes, but the average guards and civilians are normal.

[long snow]

well 6-8 if the prince and king count

ye

hm

[queen locust]

Wait no I don't mean Elders

I mean actual Ancestors

[long snow]

o

in my headcanon they were elders

[queen locust]

With cases of gigantism apparently

[long snow]

maybe they could be ancesters

ancestor

also another thing i have come to notice is the difference between the shipwreck and the ark in gw

[queen locust]

Elders and Ancestors are canonically different from one another

[long snow]

:0

something ive seen is that the ancestors are actually human

[queen locust]

So it can't be that Elders are simply 'giant Ancestors'

[exotic berry]

Could be from Light use? It seems to invigorate all of the elders once we expose them to our tiny light ball.

[uneven grotto]

Welp. Gotta be huge to take on the Krill.

[long snow]

well ye

[queen locust]

There's also Huge Spells

Because Spells still exist

[long snow]

i mean there couldve used to be more elders

hm

[queen locust]

my grammar is all over the place today I'm sorry-

[exotic berry]

Very true. Ark murals show how the spells were made and that they were in the process of distributing them, either for the war effort or commercially.

[queen locust]

oop- gotta eat- keep going ya'll

[exotic berry]

You have killed us.

[weak wharf]

How did they invent spells in the first place though?

[uneven grotto]

I restate my case about the jumbo wall behind GW temple

[weak wharf]

Wöll-

[exotic berry]

The murals seem to show something similar to the skykid falling. -some- kind of light fell, and they essentially bottled it up. They weren’t kept in jars, but the murals show spheres.

[long snow]

hm

[uneven grotto]

Those bricks are like, practically as big as the prairie temple

[exotic berry]

Second image is first.

First is second.

[uneven grotto]

Oooooo thie krill mural

[exotic berry]

Has it ever been established what they were fighting or defending against?

[uneven grotto]

@exotic berry nope. Intentionally vague.

[long snow]

ive seen concept art of the wall i think and it was pretty interesting ,, i cant find it rn but i think there was one idea that at the end of the realm when exiting there would be a wall in which u could see ancestor spirits waving down while u pass thru ?

well not that wall specifically

what am i saying lmap

uh

but like

after that part

[exotic berry]

Prophecy also has a krill mural. They apparently got very close to get all of those details.

[long snow]

uh

theres a twitter thread of gw concept art

[long snow]

twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1284265047229739008

[queen locust]

Seven Days of Sky is pinned if ya'll wanna check that out

okay Imma eat for real ciao

[uneven grotto]

....but these holes in the walls were made by something rather gigantic.

[exotic berry]

Have we checked for any sort of siege weaponry or something similar that might have broken off of the attacker’s party?

[long snow]

maybe it was krill

how strong do yall think krill are

[uneven grotto]

There's that broken catapult in boneyard that's facing eden, but it's not that big.

[exotic berry]

Krill are big but I don’t think they did that. The skeletons in the vault suggest something that sized, along with the skeletons in the graveyard in GW.

[weak wharf]

Whurtles?

[long snow]

hm

perhaps

[exotic berry]

I see. We have a calamity on our hands.

[long snow]

but what wouldve happened for the whurtles to yonk bonk

[uneven grotto]

Erm...I don't know why the whales would've attacked GW.

I think those bones are implied to be there because of the krill.

[long snow]

some question arise

• whos the dude next to the candle that activates it
• what did they yeet using it
• the handle seems to be the right size for maybe an ancestor spirit

[uneven grotto]

Exactly. They were definitely working with the BugUns either defending or attacking.

[exotic berry]

Concept art seems to show the King going crazy and attacking from atop Eden. If the attacker was from the inside instead of the outside, it would make sense for the defense forces to turn their own catapult around.

[uneven grotto]

Ahh. That would make some sense

[long snow]

i feel like the gw temple was sort of a last minute fortification tbh

[exotic berry]

I dislike this theory though because how would you figure it out without seeing the concept art?

[long snow]

hm

[long snow]

for the sole reason that its super empty on the inside 😭

[exotic berry]

The caltrops set up on the -outside- of the barrier that leads to GW’s temple also undermines the “attacker from within” theory.

[uneven grotto]

Well, if the only real foe was the king himself, it's be like Earth Kingdom going against the Avatar. Pretty much hopeless.

[long snow]

didnt people notice that there were both sun n diamond shields or sumn

so would that mean there were two teams

hhh

[uneven grotto]

Also pretty useless against Krill.

[exotic berry]

True true. I just. The king going crazy wouldn’t really explain why their fortifications were set up well in advance.

[exotic berry]

I haven’t noticed yet. Do you have pics?

[long snow]

i think i read it somewhere in one of the lore docs

[exotic berry]

Ahhhh. Okie doke. I need to do the same. It’s more exciting to see what I can come up with first haha.

I wonder. If the king was pushing back against a rebellion by the elders.

[long snow]

this part of the vault theory doc

specifically

[exotic berry]

They were colonial outposts and eventually tried to rebel for one reason or another? But that wouldn’t make sense with GW elder since he’s actively seen as a defender.

[long snow]

hmm

the Wasteland elder has a sun on his shield but a diamond on his spear

maybe the sun was associated with defense while the diamond was associated with offense

hhh

idk

man

😔

[exotic berry]

In the concept art apparently the diamonds were a symbol of progress and corruption. I think the diamond would show whatever it was on was aligned with the king(dom).

I think I shall poke around GW now.

@ me if anything interesting comes up or if I’m wanted/needed.

[long snow]

yeaa

[hidden scaffold]

O h

Great artifact

[queen locust]

Oh mai- I'm back-

oh- we're talking old beta Tsadi-

And I mean- if we're forming theories about a game with a vague story like this one, I feel it isn't too unreasonable to go digging through concepts

Of course, it doesn't mean the concepts themselves are canon, because we truly have no idea how much of it carried over in the final product

[long snow]

also this hm

"For a while Dusk was not touched, but then we revisited the level after coming up with the ancestor stories ⁠— this was going to be a place where Sky's ancestors built a giant ark to survive the apocalypse."
apocalypse?

[queen locust]

Apocalypse is kind of iffy- and if it was talking about the Eden diamond going out of control then the construction would have been taking place after that initial disaster

Alternatively it was predicted by some prophecy that the second coming was fast approaching Revelations style

[exotic berry]

Exploring the first area after social space of GW

I can’t tell if those are aqueducts, pipes, fancy arches, or a walkway.

[lethal stump]

looks reminiscent of roman aqueducts

and considering valley has roman/greek inspiration, i wouldn’t be surprised if that seeped into GW as well

[exotic berry]

I learned a thing. I shall be on the lookout for moar.

[lethal stump]

[exotic berry]

Hee hee. “In the land of the noseless, the two-nostriled man is king.”

[hidden scaffold]

eden has dem big hooman statues too huh

:") they b i g

[lethal stump]

there’s lots of statues around sky depicting rather humanoid creatures, with eyes and mouths and noses, yet the actual people of sky don’t have humanoid facial features...

[stark quarry]

Is the eden realm is also have elder like other realm?

[hushed steeple]

When you become ghost you dont need to sniff

[queen locust]

<<The Eden elder isn’t around to be saved anymore>>

Short answer yes

[stark quarry]

I-

That..

[queen locust]

Long answer yes- and we suspect that they're either the King or the Prince

[stark quarry]

That sad..

[queen locust]

Or both depending on who you talk to-

[hushed steeple]

I like to think if Sky kids came a little sooner it would have played out like the concept art, saving Prince from Inside King which I think is saving him from himself. But now they are too late and he has.....transferred to something else.

With rebirth being such a deal, I don’t think death is that big a thing. All the spirits go on with their days till they get to return to orbit and go on vacation in the meantime so in order for someone to stop existing in the world like that, I could only see that the soul energy is still there, but in a changed form.

[queen locust]

There's also the possibility that the Eden Elder could be so far gone that redemption simply isn't possible for them

or they're in extra limbo

[long snow]

pipes :-) saw someones tiny interpretation of the structure
i just think that its gonna be some extra area that willl later be used for a future seasonal area or smth like that

[long snow]

king 🤠

[hushed steeple]

I think hes literally too far gone also. Can’t even find him.

[lethal stump]

many of them look too different to depict the same person
there’s two types of statues in valley, for example, that have humanoid features yet one is masculine coded and one is feminine coded, with different body types, clothing, etc.,
they can’t all be of the king because they’re all so distinct they can’t be the same person
hell, the only king statues we see confirmed are statues with no facial features at all, only a mask

[hushed steeple]

Hey do u guys have theories on what the blue eggs in the forest are?

[exotic berry]

I believe they’re leftovers from an event. They were intended as a literal Easter Egg and had a small quest associated with them. I could be mistaken though.

[queen locust]

Nah they're literally just Easter Eggs

[rapid juniper]

Yes

[exotic berry]

Nothing new yet. Just more of the same. O Well~

[hushed steeple]

The statues in valley? But not the twins statues right? Hum, I can’t remember any other statues with faces that looked different.

[exotic berry]

These swords are massive.

[queen locust]

i was told it was also in lore chat and really i'm compelled to believe there really are giants

[solemn barn]

I think end of the vault is the entrance to the eden

[queen locust]

and it's weirdly small despite what we see in-game

I'd send pics except I'm trying to stave off the action movie sound effects- freaking Die-Hard-

[queen locust]

Yeah there it is

[solemn barn]

Wasteland is corrupted and Vault doesn't corrupted

[queen locust]

Vault is heavily fortified- and is a high-priority building

They likely wanted to make sure that this place at lest was free of corruption

Being nestled in between two heavily corrupted realms though

[solemn barn]

So the vault is area 51 but irl

[queen locust]

That Vault is pretty clear of corruption is nothing short of impressive

Flat-out the only realm without darkness plants in it- but houses crabs in Archives

[solemn barn]

Vault only have crabs on the other area

[queen locust]

It's kind of strange to me that the most heavily guarded area in Vault is the one with the only traces of corruption in it

Sure it was broken into- but wouldn't that corruption have inevitably spread through the rest of Vault given enough time?

[solemn barn]

I think the destruction doesn't big enough to destroy vault

[queen locust]

Reiterating that Vault is heavily fortified

[solemn barn]

Vault have somekind of power shield protect from eden and darkness

Although the crabs are technically from darkness.

[queen locust]

Light nets- those starry floors?

Could be, but have we ever seen light being able to completely ward off a force of darkness?

[ember temple]

On a side note, doesn't Valley also not have dark plants? (save for the maze at the very end)

[solemn barn]

Also, the diamond explosion?

[queen locust]

Valley is also very lit

[solemn barn]

I still don't know what it means?

When?

[ember temple]

Yeah

[queen locust]

The diamond explosion that we normally refer to is the Eden diamond

[solemn barn]

The red core?

[queen locust]

you know that giant glowy spinny thing from Eden

yeye that

We suspect that the only reason that it's out of control the way it was was because it was overloaded somehow

Thus- leading to an inevitable explosion

[solemn barn]

Overloaded with skykids dying to save the fallen ones

[queen locust]

okay only is a strong word- but that's an inference that's been consistent

jiggle jiggle

And I'm not sure that it's sky kids exactly that was powering that thing

It could be powered by a variety of things- the Elements from Prophecy or the Ascension Beam that was already there for example

But for skids to have been the thing powering it- multiple skids would have had to exist even before they were needed-

[solemn barn]

The storm

[queen locust]

Light creatures are also a possibility since Eden is kind of void of them

Save for the birds that pass through the pipes

[solemn barn]

The birds are the power for the diamond

[queen locust]

Maybe they were locked out of that system at some point?

Falling from wherever it was that they were- committing a grave sin or otherwise- could have locked them out of the system

Can't tell if it's a proximity issue or a moral issue though

[solemn barn]

Constellation?

[queen locust]

Ahhhhhhh TST 2.0

[solemn barn]

Because if you 100 realms constellation the elder will appear

[queen locust]

the motivation I somehow still can't wrap my head around

I kind of wonder if they KNEW it was an Ascension beam to begin with

Because it's always kind of confused me since the first time ya'll referred to it as that

that's the primary reason why the motivation for Pyre's version of TST confused me so much

Just- were the Elders always aware that they could use that beam to return to Orbit?

Assuming it was meant for that in the first place

[solemn barn]

Or maybe the elders can't use Ascension Beam to go back orbit because all realms are not make by elder. Instead of elders make the realm, eden elder make the realm and the elder for other realm control it.

And they can't go other realms or orbit because the lockout the eden elder make

[queen locust]

I don't think the Elders created the realms either but they did certainly play a hand in advancing them to be the civilization that once thrived in that planet

[solemn barn]

Or the Meagan make the realms and lockout it.

[queen locust]

The realms looked as though they were just already there by the looks of Prophecy

And they only really started to become separate realms when the Elders fell and reigned sovereign over specific places of the Kingdom

[long snow]

ye the fink fonk of the archives rly makes my brain go wrrr

[queen locust]

And if we're to believe that the Eden Elder really is that glowy boi in the murals, I'm not sure if they'd been there long enough to have created the realms

Heck- if they WERE that glowy boi, it suggests that Isle was already just there

It's possible that it's only after when he'd completed the Trials- he might have assisted in creating the new realms?

Eden wasn't made until the Elders fell though

Elders: ooooo this place rank- time for a makeover wouldn't you say Prenc

proceeds to go nuts with the elements

he took the mountain with a big freaking laser that they probably know works

and Vault Elder took the foot of the same mountain because letting an immortal with the mentality of a teenager rule the Kingdom in a place with a huge laser was probably gonna bite them all in the behind at some point

[exotic berry]

Are there any other doorways that have this effect? Where light is drawn through it? Cloud tunnels not withstanding.

[queen locust]

I wouldn't call it a doorway but Crab Cave in Sanctuary has the same effects

Just- random long white things flying seamlessly in the air from out of nowhere and it confuses the hell out of me

what are they- streamers- f i s h-

fish scales???

But a condensed area in Sanctuary Caves

with minimal relation to Wasteland might I add-

[exotic berry]

In my head, the story for GW is... some kind of rebellion, led by most Elders. War goes down, they were able to fortify because it was fomenting for quite a while (maybe a tie in to the spirit, due to his refusal to ship something?). The war doesn’t quite go as planned for King, with Vault Elder locking herself up during the conflict, all Swiss style, and GW eventually siding with the other elders. King decides enough is enough, triggers Eden’s diamond, and each of those towers that bear his likeness are powered by smaller diamonds. He ends the conflict by reaping the light from both sides, with those gates acting to channel it, and direct it. This massive amount of death would also explain why GW is so foggy, if the clouds we see are infinitesimally small bits of light broken off, like we saw in the Cave of Prophecy. Maybe that’s what’s being seen in CoV. Not a celebration of ascension but rather King being surrounded by rebellious underlings.

Yeah. I just noticed that in the CoV mural, behind GW Elder, there are king turret-towers. And I -think- that little triangle thing beside the ziggurat-building is Vault Elder. I didn’t notice till after I posted.

[queen locust]

There's also a detail that's worth pointing out in that before you even get to SEE glowy boi, you have to light up the braziers

Suggesting somewhat that they'd had to cover something up

[exotic berry]

I feel quasi-accomplished now.

[exotic berry]

We are prenc

[queen locust]

Technically that's true according to some interpretations-

[exotic berry]

Replayed Vault Elder’s cutscene and it just seemed to be a possible interpretation. In which case this is all cleaning up daddy’s mistakes, and getting a lesson in empathy?

[queen locust]

Daddy is close-

More like we're cleaning up our own mess

The gist of the idea behind the skids being reincarnations of the Prince/King is that after the Eden disaster, they were split into several beings

Either by themselves or by Megan's intervention

[exotic berry]

And so the sky kids we’re saving are all previous incarnations trying to... ? Turn off the diamond? Use it to reincarnate and pull ourselves together?

[queen locust]

Then we just kind of go around cleaning up the mess and never actually being able to solve the problem that is the raging storm of Eden

Turning off the diamond I think is one thing that we are explicitly not able to do

[exotic berry]

Also, is there any in-game references to sky bird aside from the few home statues?

[queen locust]

Because that isn't our job- destroying the diamond

Our job is reliving spirits, helping them move on- bringing the lost stars home

And by skybird do you mean Megan-

[exotic berry]

Yuh

[queen locust]

There's the ending cutscene- one shape that's presumed to be Megan appears at the very end of the credits

You can also see her silhouette in Orbit- somewhat

[exotic berry]

Like the allfather, background intelligence in Nordic myth. Gotcha.

[queen locust]

Another nod to her is seen in the gateway to Office- that swirling pool of water

though it's minor seeing as Office isn't canon

[exotic berry]

I asked about that today actually.

All must join the Rei Ayanami birb

[queen locust]

wonder if Ani's troops would ever succeed in capturing this literal supercluster of an entity

[exotic berry]

I’m lost

[queen locust]

Basically lore chat wanted to assert their hatred of Megan

Because a lot of us are pretty divided on whether or not she's a good god

A lot of the doubt stems from her basically sending child-like beings off on impossible, endless, painful missions to clean up the mess that they technically never had a hand in

[exotic berry]

Interesting interpretation.

And who is Ani?

[queen locust]

You might have seen them around- they pop in pretty often in lore chat

Oh right Radian was part of the troops-

Heck sometimes I'm like maybe she already knows you're coming because there's only always eight of you coming at her at a time-

nah I greet my death with open arms

Megan take me

[exotic berry]

Oh. Uh. Chat does not like that word. Which is. Weird.

TS is the perfect time to create a fringe religion based around Megan? Is that better chat?

[queen locust]

Ohhhhhh that word-

[exotic berry]

Vulture mask

[queen locust]

oml

[exotic berry]

Just doing lazy circles around non-believers.

Yep

[queen locust]

I'm there just for the sweet emote that is hospitality incarnate

[exotic berry]

I have none of them. And am poor in wax.

Obviously he is a follower of the Prairie Elder.

No no. It adds flavor to the text.

He should be dropping by today. Like. In an hour I think? As the quest tips over. I wish we got pots ourself. In any case. I guess that’s as far as we can take this in lore chat. Blah.

[pseudo heart]

Howdee

[queen locust]

There's also Rejecting Voyager though

Voyager has a pot on his back- and is commonly associated as being a follower of Isle Elder

And butters

Don't forget butterflies

[pseudo heart]

Oh ye welcome is in Isle aren't they

[queen locust]

wonder if they use pots as jet packs sometimes

[pseudo heart]

I'm drawing this

[queen locust]

p l e a s e do

you have t scream the actual word for it to work-

[pseudo heart]

Mantas, boats for flying race who?

We use

pot jetpacks

[queen locust]

i'm just picturing Prairie Elder nyooming around in those

enters the race and gives the twins the smuggest face when he propels past them at mach 10

[pseudo heart]

They don't know about his secret weapon

[bitter shale]

the p o t

[hushed steeple]

Wassup

[bitter shale]

ngl, fire trial remind me of this video

https://youtu.be/C9f6zxo6X0s

[hushed steeple]

if you think about it, doesnt the part in village, where you're being carried up to the temple by the manta, look exactly the same as reaching summit of vault?

similarities: mantas revolving around platform, sky kid rides them, and reaches the top.
differences: different realm, different mantas and the vault manta goes in a circle first

[solemn barn]

I think the game designer make that

And the Vault design's are going upwards, not straight line or something.

[bitter pasture]

Guys did u know that u can get to the international space station in Sky

At the office

[shadow falcon]

Wait what

How?

[bitter shale]

well

space day

@copper crag @shadow falcon office spirit schedule by clement
#completed-sky-fanart-and-creations message

[shadow falcon]

Cool, I didn't know that

[copper crag]

ooh thanks for the info!

[bitter shale]

np fam

[boreal nebula]

This bug is highlighting the gliphes

[icy spruce]

Oooooo

[lethal stump]

I had a big brain moment about the glyphs

behold

theyre pictograms

this looks like nonsense but i swear, it’s way more progress than we had before

[hidden scaffold]

yo, that does seem legit 😮

imo the
iii) one elder commanding the other ancestors to do something
viii) candle/light itself (or at least one of them must have stood for candle, a main element in the game?)

[lethal stump]

thats definitely a possibility

[south minnow]

Hi! I’m quite new in the lore fanbase but I like reading all the great theories out there as long as I don’t know much, are there any theories about the king being killed by the elders? I just found this again in sanctuary and felt like something was wrong..

[lethal stump]

it’s a bug

likely a misplaced asset or something

[pseudo heart]

Yall

Why do the geysers give u flight energy

[lethal stump]

might have something to do with heat

often geysers are only found around volcanic activity, if fire recharges us maybe boiling water or lava would too

[icy spruce]

mmmmmm

I see b u g

[pseudo heart]

Skykids chilling in a lava pit like hot springs

[icy spruce]

what

[queen locust]

oh no- ples- spare me-

[icy spruce]

raise a glass for bug

[queen locust]

It's 11 P freaking M

[icy spruce]

oh same

cool

[pseudo heart]

Lmaoooo,, same

[lethal stump]

it’s 10 am for me

[icy spruce]

cool

[queen locust]

w a t e r

[icy spruce]

yes

[queen locust]

say that does kind of raise one question though

Are the Elders capable of killing one of their own

Even if they're basically the freaking Avatar

[hushed steeple]

maybe their combined power

[lethal stump]

i’d say so yeah

[icy spruce]

O

.

[lethal stump]

i mean
glances at gw elder’s broken shrine
i think they already have

[queen locust]

Isn't he technically not dead though

[lethal stump]

well
as close to dead as a god can get yanno

[queen locust]

Fair enough-

At the expense of themselves being subjected to much of the same fate, though?

[lethal stump]

wdym ?

[queen locust]

Wasteland Elder and Isle Elder at least look like they'd been hit pretty hard with... SOMETHING

But otherwise they all ended up in the same place

In not-limbo

All reduced to being something that isn't quite being alive

[lethal stump]

do you think they knew that would happen, though ?

it’s likely they didn’t

considering there doesn’t seem to be any action on their end « preparing » for their eternal timeout

[queen locust]

Or breaking out of it, it looks like? Or maybe they'd just given up after a certain point

[lethal stump]

it looks like the twins tried to get out, but the others not so much

[queen locust]

The Twins have just kind of been lounging around and Prairie Elder straight up hibernated

[lethal stump]

oh to be prairie elder and hibernate for a long, undisclosed period of time...

[queen locust]

god i wish that were me

anyway- Isle Elder flat out couldn't get out because of his sightlessness I guess? And Forest Elder's rendered powerless without her tools

[lethal stump]

gw elder has Oof Ouch My Back syndrome

[queen locust]

Wasteland Elder looks like he needs a pension plan every time he tries mustering bravado-

you mean arthritis-

And Vault Elder is just- idk, reluctant?

[lethal stump]

arthritis is more commonly found in hands, elbows, and knees

[queen locust]

Oh- shoot there goes my arthritis elder joke

[lethal stump]

imo vault seems depressed

[pseudo heart]

cough they can't get out because they lost their wisdoms cough

At least the ones who were given the elemental lights cough

[lethal stump]

hm
makes sense for forest and valley, but how are prairie and gw missing their wisdoms ?

i mean, gw legit lept from fricken high in the air and landed on their feet like a cat, i’d call that brave

[queen locust]

Prairie just fell asleep- and I guess in some twisted manner that's its own kind of resilience

[pseudo heart]

Aw gosh words WHERE

[queen locust]

You don't see him suffering before or after

Merely yawning off his problems and moving forward

[lethal stump]

« hunker down and wait » is the most earth thing i’ve ever heard

[pseudo heart]

I'll leave yall with that and imma sneep

[queen locust]

It's Christmas who needs sn e e p

[pseudo heart]

We have no noche buena so I can just sneep the night away

[icy spruce]

Ohhh

[queen locust]

if I could I'd yeet the rest of my fruit salad to wherever you are

And my frozen holiday ham

Maybe a block of cheese

[icy spruce]

I

[queen locust]

But I like my cheese

[pseudo heart]

I've never tasted a block of cheese—

[icy spruce]

w h a t

[lethal stump]

coughs lore

[icy spruce]

you never tasted c h e e s e

[queen locust]

Oh sorry-

[icy spruce]

oh sorry

[lethal stump]

cheese is the least of our concerns

[pseudo heart]

No no,, a block

[icy spruce]

oh

[pseudo heart]

Maybe cheese could've solved Sky's problem

[icy spruce]

I

[pseudo heart]

Cheese solves everything

[icy spruce]

if only Sky has cows or smthng

goats

[pseudo heart]

I mean.. they juice mantas

[icy spruce]

oh

true

[pseudo heart]

Manta Cheese

[icy spruce]

but does mantas have milk?

[queen locust]

Could the Elders being in this depowered state have directly been like... From whatever happened to the Eden Elder

[icy spruce]

O

[pseudo heart]

:o

[queen locust]

i mean yeah there's a connection clearly but

Direct intervention from the Elders is scarily plausible

And I say that mostly because I've been hearing them all be in cahoots for the past few months

[lethal stump]

i don’t see why they wouldn’t be in cahoots, they knew each other and all fell from the same place

[shadow falcon]

Hi! What's the actual topic about?

[queen locust]

I get that part-

Also heya we're talking about Elder lore I guess

[shadow falcon]

Oh nice

[queen locust]

And once you mentioned Brick that you viewed the King as a victim than a tyrant

And because one of your theories involve the King having descended way later- in child form, could you have been referring to something along the lines of puppeting the King since the Trials?

Grooming the perfect monarch to suit the rest of the Elders' needs?

i'm drawing straws here of course because of my lack of beta experience and general slowness

[bitter shale]

Man thats just cruel

[queen locust]

It's not too hard to imagine-

[lethal stump]

yeah that’s the way i see it basically

[queen locust]

They did the same thing in Pokemon Black and White

[lethal stump]

he was a kid with godlike powers, being a direct descendant from the megabird, so all the elders decided to take advantage of that to suit their own needs

[queen locust]

oh my god it's N but with six Ghetses instead of one

[icy spruce]

Damn

[queen locust]

okay potentially five

[lethal stump]

i think the only elder who didn’t do that was isle, which is why he was kicked out, to shrink the child’s support circle to only the people who would
a) keep this quiet
b) profit from this

[queen locust]

Ah- there's the five-

I think it makes sense it'd be Isle Elder who'd deviated- seeing as how this guy's probably been with him since the start

Prophecy notwithstanding

[lethal stump]

yeah
and he’s meant to be how newborns see adults, i feel like he’d be more compassionate simply by the fact he’s built to be a dad

[queen locust]

His realm bearing the Birth motif probably helped-

[lethal stump]

heh
bearing

[queen locust]

It's funny to me that this old man who's catching up on his years is somewhat gentler soul than the gentle giant Elder though

[lethal stump]

cruel people aren’t always cruel on purpose

[queen locust]

Might be the case for him I guess

I can see Forest and Valley Elders being more mean-spirited about it

[lethal stump]

valley elders seem like the kind of dudes to shove people in lockers

[queen locust]

God that probably happened with a young Prenc

Just-I know that two player door with nothing in it was for a Seasonal Event but I can't help but squint at it

[icy spruce]

I

oh gosh

[queen locust]

Wasteland and Vault seem to be the more traditionally professional mentors though

Vault especially- who I have a feeling spearheaded the puppetry

[lethal stump]

: where’s the prince ?

: haven’t seen him all day sir

: no clue where he could be

: [muffled yelling from the 2 player door]

:

[queen locust]

god poor Prenc

[lethal stump]

vault gives me shifty advisor vibes

[queen locust]

exactly my take- like a less sinister and megalomania-ridden Ghetsis

[lethal stump]

huh

[icy spruce]

Vault gives me that one art teacher that will scold you that Anime is not art or smthng

ngl

[queen locust]

anime is an ART style hhhhhhh

[icy spruce]

ye

[queen locust]

realism is sophisticated but dangit it's not the only art form worth existing

freaking elitists-

Anyway

kinda have a feeling they left the nurturing to Prairie Elder

[lethal stump]

i see it more like
the advisor who acts like they act like they have the reigning monarch’s best interests at heart, but behind the scenes they’re working on overthrowing the monarch in the cleanest fashion possible to give themselves power