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i think skykids nodding to isle because thats after isle nodding, so a cheap imitation, but in forest cutscene the skykid steps forward nearer to the anvil after forest mom snatches it from them
Also, your skid stops looking at the WL in the last corridor
so yes skykids can have thoughts
And...
so they have some capacity to sense impending doom
They seem to feel fear, they flinch in some cut scenes
and you know what- that's sad as hell-
Ikr
Oh
If you're low on WL in the final part of the Point of No Return, your skid starts running frantically, ignoring rock rain just to get to the statues
Now i feel bad
Dang
Who knows how many times i killed my sky kid
also in the “return light of the fallen cutscene”, they move forward a little. trust me on that
also in forest cutscene when forest jumps down to look at the kid, the kid steps backward and looks down
whatever kind of robot doesnt do THAT??
Who else named their sky kid? OvO
It does look nasty :/
Changed my skid's name to Skye now
Mines named Pip
i have three children and i almost feel bad sending them off to Eden every week-
welcome to lore chat
listen listen listen if u want an obvious sign of emotion just look at the forest cutscene
when the elder looks down at them they dIDNT EVEN MAKE EYE CONTACT
trust me on this
listen listen listen if u want an obvious sign of emotion just look at the forest cutscene
when the elder looks down at them they dIDNT EVEN MAKE EYE CONTACT
trust me on this
I’m dumb
Hmmmmmm hmmmmm
I didn’t even read server’s name
Uhh
o hi
where we have daily discussions on morbid stuff like the inevitability of death and mantas being juiced for their powers
Oh i see
Thats... interesting... I'll check
we're either tryna analyze the biology of krill or just- having an existential crisis-
the chat is like: i want it to be that deep
Do y’all think sky kids have names? Or do they name themselves? Maybe their friends each have a unique name for them (bc friends can name you before you have chatted with em.)
no i like it. i want it to be deep
They just naturally veer off onto dark territory- kind of a given for a game that literally goes through the motions of life death and rebirth
AND DEDICATING A WHOLE SECTION FOR A 'MID-LIFE CRISIS'
XD
the game is dark to begin with, considering it takes place after a kingdom’s fall.
its post-apocalyptic
post-apocalyptic, to be exact-
thx i got it
How do think our sky kids feel after having to rebirth after hundreds of times, going through eden against their own will only to die for our benefits
We're in an after the end scenario where we can't really do much to salvage the Kingdom and are just cleaning up the mess
GUYS I FIND THE BACKSTORY !
OoO
what?

Do tell!
go through it enough times your skid might actually feel like solid rock
Read this
i get so heated for this because of my mom. i literally want to tell her “this game is about cute kids but also its so dark and deep if u look into the right place” and all she goes is “mm cute game go brr” like??? excuse??????
the heck- where's this from-
Wait i saw that before
Not sure if we can take much of it into consideration
You prefer to stay in the silence ?
What if a sky kid chooses not to go to Eden, out of fear possibly?
hmMMmmmM
No, just doubting the source- is that from Light Awaits by any chance
the nicknaming proves your point. skykids have no idea names are consistent, so they name the same person differently
@lost wing thats a good thing, it can a warning that you’ve gone thru eden too much so u cant earn any AC
I personally call my sky kid Pip. And force my friends to as well XD
YES PLZ
Hm...what about all the drawing from the season of prophecy
They mean the same thing
Anyone wana be sky friends?
My sky kids name is bob
Love ur theory’s
..
i thought that was technically established- and how much of it really advanced into the current Prophecy that we see?
Yup
The current Prophecy that we see tells only of the origins of the Kingdom if I'm not mistaken
Not exactly
jumping off of this, i was angry about the exorcist’s semi-downer ending and also what its book’s author said: “how do you account for goodness?”
and im like we got a world here filled with little arsonists who go to hell to restore light without any significant rewards and yeah call us stupid but??? we do it cuz we can???
Ok, weird question but what even is Eden? What are the rocks? What’s the pink thing?
How so?
Ye
the exorcist’s bewilderment of acts of good vs sky’s gentle push of “we are humans and flawful but also capable of connection and compassion”, FIGHT
Eden is also believed to have been the capital of the Kingdom before it fell
Eden is the Capital
Prophecy mean it show the futur
What they tell in the old version is about the prophecy
Wish mean it's exactly the same thing from the wall
It show the prophecy about what we will do
How sure are we that it's not merely a Prophecy that's already been fulfilled?
Prophecy are always about the futur
Not the past
Consider who the Prophecy might have even been about- and how long ago it took place, and how there aren't any disasters depicted on it
The prophecy??! don't trust what the Elders say!!
okay skybot we got it shajjah
as u can see, the eden sign is the crown, which means power and center
The wings constellation mean you
His is great work wow
A diadem
Like from a king
The kingdoms downfall relates directly to the power diamonds, right? So what if they stated like, running low on light creatures to grind up, so maybe they considered grinding Skids (or whatever spirits where when they were alive) which quickly led to anarchy? But idk
i... just had a really weird mental image- and I lowkey want to draw it-
tiara
Ik
Btw old version is maybe old
But the creator want to change it by the time
But nothing tell the story changing
Np
bro imagine being willing to grind quasi-sentient beings that look like children-
;-;
there'd DEFINITELY be a war over that-
I digress though- it's unlikely that a large amount of skids could have coexisted with Ancestors
Good point
Yeah- by that time, we'd be sure they were mad about something else-
Ppfft
Spirits (when they lived) were light, right?
No
If they are light they would kill themselves
They’re already dead
Ancestors are a weird case where we have the same question of like... what even are they made of
Well like what it said
The child will make back the light
But the problem is we always reborn with the time
O
hey guys what’s the topic this fine hour
Wait
Heya Egg
What do they eat out of?
Crab
one theory suggests they decompose their food
Lol
which I kind of doubt because then why would you roast your food
This is getting a lil abstract
Mmm food
But spirit can't be hungry
It wasn't for us- most likely it was an Ancestor's doing
to which- those crabs have got to be hecking roasted by now it's been A G E S
Lol
Mmmm crabs
wait there were g i a nt s- and I'm assuming you're not like- referring to Elders-
Some of them are fr1o1m1 the old version too
Like what I said
Again- we're not entirely sure how much of the old version still applies to the current one
this kinda goes hand in hand with the 'are skykids sentient' kind of thing
They're sentient- to some extent- but for them to have the mental capacity for something as complex as love
Not to mention they're technically still just children
they had g i a n t spirits-
Ooo
Which chat is that from btw
Probably not
They can't be in love
They are not creating for that
O :((
They can only be friend
h o l y
No
dang at least we can finally stop questioning why those freaking weapons are so dang gigantic
They just have no gender
Non binary and asexual
Hhhh
Agendererd I mean*
No clue how much we can apply it to something without a concept of sexuality though
Hey folks im back lol
They don't have sexuality guys
Ye
Heya Pyre
Skids r prob already mature
No
They smol
Well- as mature as you could get a technical child to be-
Not big bois yet
Hhhh
Also heya Pyre
The whole idea of social game where you use friendship to solve problems
In many cultures and fiction, children mean descendants
I wonder if they can have crushes?
Yea but they are creating
Not from parents
Like asuryani are the children of asuryan but is just a name
Asking for a friend of course XD
If you want to make ships you mean?
Fan ships can be anything
But never can be the real truth
Ik
Well we r the soul and mind of skids... so if u have a crush, your skid has a crush too
Romance is... TECHNICALLY not out of the question
Yes
Its up you you bro
Exactly
Not shipping - just curious
Your character you play as. Its you.
Yeeeeees
Heck what does the rest of the fandom care about the biology of skids-
Oooookkkayy
We do but if it doesn't work for fanworks then uh
Folks sky geo is back
yeet it
I just care that they don’t break their legs when we fall from the sky
And the idea that they are hybrids of spirit and light.
i just care that they're able to feel an existential crisis and that's depressing to me
I think sky kids can have crushes, but don’t have the mental capacity to feel, like, LOVE love.
Mu headcanon is that skids are really light...
Plz tell me your theories on birds...AND MAKE SURE U PING ME
this is urgent...
Plz...
We need to wrap up birds
Yea but you need to know in reality
We are alone in that game
It's like journey
If we have others peeps It's because they add it in multiplier game
The characters you are is only to know about it and the story
Not because it's yourself like in VRchat
In sky geo
I mean- you can't expect us to do much if we don't have theories on birds on hand Pyre
Oh ok
It's not that urgent, it's not like the chat's going anywhere for that
Yes
But... I think thats just it for me
In a way
Headcanon: The butterflies and birds are not actually butterflies and birds. Just small mantas that look like butterflies and birds
Yeah, birds
Birds are the guide of sky
Bird are simple light creature who most of them go to the orbit like the others light creatures
But don't be confus between a baby manta and a bird
not if they have the capacity to survive freaking E d e n
They take a different route
Oh and there the ones with the black heads
Probably a safer route, I would assume...
Thank u@deft lintel i will put that in the doc
Like- pipes-
Ooo
We have different kind of bird
Don't be confus guys
I heard someone say that may have been used as a way to get birds into the dark stone/power diamond(s)
tHE T O I LE T PORTAL AKSAHJAHJS
Plz no
XDD
THE R O YY A L F L U S H
cries in no blue cape
XD
I don't see that many birds other than the ones from the aforementioned toilet portal
Ok 😭
We r making a bird documentary lol
We have big bird who stay in some place , giant bird and little bird for the orbit
Mega bird theory’s?
B i r b
XD
Giant bird being the rhythm bird?
the b o r b
Yes
I gtg 😦

Awe- get better soon Butters-
@thin dirge take a rest
I had a great time talking with y’all!
Bird time?
Also see ya Noodles
Ok
Bai friends
bye Noodles!
Good night
Ping if u have bird thwories plz
Bye noodles!
And bye noodles
Well, its only a runny nose rn, I'm a lot better than I was when I woke up this morning
I should be fine
ah yes, the birds are the most important part of sky definitely
runny noses suck- i still hope you get better-
I think they are important
My brain juice is at an all time cuz im at an academy
Oof.. those suck
Maybe not that impirtant, but I think they're still pretty important
Ik...
considering we technically have a gigantic bird deity on our hands yeah birds are pretty important
Theories plz...lol
Oh yeah, I remembered a headcanon I had about Isle Elder originally being the most impirtant Elder of the six
But with Prince coming in, he was meant to have retirement, lol
Well, he still helps out tho
Oooh maybe the firework staffs were originally made to guide burds... then it was tweaked for other purposes too
Anubis: My liege- we forsee the coming of a Prince-
Isle Elder: you mean you forsee my retirement
Lol
My headcanon is that Isle Elder knew wayyy even before the Prophets did
He probably knew since he existed but yeah
imagine the Stargazer ushering him into the Temple like 'hey Elder we found a kid he just f e l l'
Little bird you see everywhere could be the only bird who go to the orbit wish mean they are not normal bird
Medium bird could be normal bird like some we see in some place like in daylight Prairie
Big bird or giant bird are like from the season of prophecy
Wish mean the little bird are light creature than the others who are not
Isle Elder looks at the kid like 'aBOUT FREAKIN' T I M E YOU FELL'
Hey bro- some rando kid fell is he dead-
The prince and the other elders knew each other from orbit
So when the prince came daleth was like: heeeey bro... we missed u...
Yeah when they fell from the heccing sky-
Hold up there's a monarchy
Oh yeah, I also had an idea of some funny gag of our skid suddenly come crashing down when landing in a Seasonal Area, and the QGs are always like
"A child just fell out from the sky!"
He kinda old
But idk if he is the most important
Probably the vault is the most one because the throne of it is at the middle of the all others thrones of the elders
This is interesting... plz elaborate...
either everyone is stupid or no one is it's technically the same thing cuz I love you all either way-
Price: you have forfeited your important privalages isle-
It's okay! Voth, the king and prince are stated in game exactly 0 times haha
Why are we talking about birds btw?
cold pings are encouraged
maybe the Devs are making us insane by the idea of a king and a prince when we all know the kingdom is ruled by the jellyfish
We r making a bird documentary
ah yes- the immortal jellyfish-
Next we should make a moth documentary
LMAO THE JELLYFISH IN ORBIT SECRETLY RULED SKY
All little bird probably are something who being like that and go to the orbit for reacarnation into another light thing in the orbit
I can't be sure but I just know only little bird have a reason to go in the orbit
We should do it with all creature xD
Technically every light creature has reason to go into Orbit
First of all: normie birds. You see them almost everywhere. Kinda boring.
Next, MEGA BIRB
hm
n o r m i e birds oml
Yeah, aren't all light creatures made by the elders?
Now that I think of it
Exactly what I mean
Nope- they're all created naturally- with or without Elder intervention
Why bother going into orbit as a birb- what the hecc do you even get if you're a non skykid going into orbit?
This normie bird
All creature are not creating by elder
I guess the masks the rhythm gang wear have to be based on something. So. Light ducks exist.
Hm
Rabbits and foxes exist
Or 3d
Season of rythme is about bird
Season of sanctuary is about manta
you have light ducks- imagine having light geese
Oh, really? Interesting... Say!
The jellyfish don't go into orbit, right? Maybe the creatures that are in orbit are the ones made by elders?
VOTH ANSWER
LIGHT TURTLE DUCKS
Wha
Others season are about a kind of creature
I'm asking you
WHAT DO I ANSWER
hm
They desire the norm bird's shape
“Where do the creatures come from in Sky?” “The creatures in Sky are connected to the light and born from the light (...) that’s their origin and where they come from (...) so you’ll actually see creatures emerging from the clouds and manifesting as the light sort of comes together. You can also think of it as almost like atoms or molecules, like as the light comes together new life is being born”
-Canon Lore Doc, Launch Livestream
More about natural element
👁️
Ohhhh....
I... Don't think i read the Canon doc properly
I didnt even read the doc
I have a confession
Tis okie- go have a look at it if you have time I guess?
I have never read any lore doc being made here
Wait hold up.
👀
Lemmie clarify myself
Omg same!
All light creatures are confirmed to come and be born from clouds! Even if we don't see them ✨✨
my life was a lie
IVE BEEN FLYING WITH THEM ALL ALONG AND NEVER NOTICED
I'm- ya'll can read those at your own time- save yourselves some trouble?
Birds are rather simplistic 3d models that almost look 2d, you can check them very clearly at the citadel since they go so slowly
I could maybe summarize them eventually?
ah
But knowing me I'll lengthen the summary by 204849 percent
In reality they are only 2D drawing into 3D
Like origami
just- it's a 50-50 on that one
For real? That sounds cool!
Anyways, birds are cool, 2d or 3d, we'll chirp with them
So of course the isle elder can still send birbs
Almost everything is made of light..
Technically we could control skykids with the staff-
I imagine if it were more powerful
I mean- it could be limited to certain powers
That's nothing to say of the natural power that Isle Elder has
Could be an ability that's limited to him
Telekinesis don't mean controlling someon
It mean you can use your mind f1or to move stuff
I think it might be limited to light creatures with little power or mass or something idk
I think only elders have that powerful of a staff
Like how Prairie Elder makes butterflies
Hm
Telepathy mean you can talk using your mind
Yeah, she yeets the diamond and stuff
So why can't we use the staff...
she sends it to NASA-
okay but if Vault is technically a space-like place is that TECHNICALLY NASA
I mean we can fly for orbit's sake lemmie control the birbs
PFFF VAULT SPACE STA
Presumably- they're the only ones with diamonds in their cutscenes
Fksnfkf no office spoilers pls
Technically
Why the vault is calling vault of knowledge huh ?
Oh- Office spoilers are allowed but not to be taken seriously
Oy
I was just about to ask that
Okay pfff
it's literally just a gigantic easter egg
My headcanon is that the Elders have this certain ammount of power in them that's superior to the spirits. And that's why they have special abbilities
Office is just something the creator add
Sadly this means pizza also doesn't exist
I mean i spoiled myself enough to not fare anymore
cries in knows what the quest giver is
Like, maybe sky kids can't use the Staff's full potential, hence the fireworks, small bursts of light is all they can do with it
Hm
flashbacks to updated spirit memory spoilers
Istg ppl need to start spoilering better in social media
give me power
oop- gotta eat- see ya'll in a bit
Oh oke cya
Exactly!
All elder have their power
runs into orbit
Gimmie your staff
Spirits might have crafted those staffs to look as cool as the Isle elder 
Pff
Please may I steal a personal possession in which has the power to form light to its will?
Skykids can't eat. It is for their own emotional benefit that they lack awareness of Pizza
Oof
XD
Sky kid can't eat, be in love, talk or show emotion
They learn emotion and act from memories of spirits
The energy are from the others falling stars, wish mean your wl
We are creating for to add the light back
Probably made by a goddess?
Wait....
.... Does that mean an isler went to Wasteland for battle? Cuz isle is the only place with staffs
Holy orbit-
So... The war encompassed even Isle...
WHO MADE GRANDPA ANGY
There goes several thousand skykid OCs people made
Aren't the sticks at wasteland buried spears tho?
Ye
The real one is the moth
Like the wasteland elder's but smaller

Not me
Dkskfkf also the captain hair looks suspiciously like the candlemaker in isle
So-
Moar evidence yay
Hm remember the wall drawing from the place where the third spirit next of the temple is ?
We see the old elders
And he have a broken face when we meet him
Hurt more >:)
Oof
I-
Poor boi
And the GW elder is hurting too
What you gonna do slap the flames out of the candles so they can't heal
Oh yeah that too....
And everyone else is fi-
He elder stronk so send more krills to em >:)
I-
Maybe light give force
Did isle and wasteland fight? Nm
Sw?
Star wars
I shall lift this diamond with the force of light
The skykids fought the death star, didn't yall hear!?
Force
I mean by it give them energy for to feel better
The telekinesis one
Yeah, fire does have healing properties in this game
I wonder if she used light 
Makes sense, everyone is made of light
It just give them only energy
Ye
Wut happened?
:0
Sw mean so what
And its highly unlikely that creatures r made with light....
Its prob just organic matter hosting sparks
I thought that was in the Canon doc
Nah
Maybe i read it wrong
Ye
This rock
They r born naturally
Is made of light
“Where do the creatures come from in Sky?” “The creatures in Sky are connected to the light and born from the light (...) that’s their origin and where they come from (...) so you’ll actually see creatures emerging from the clouds and manifesting as the light sort of comes together. You can also think of it as almost like atoms or molecules, like as the light comes together new life is being born”
-Canon Lore Doc, Launch Livestream
Born from the light
:0
Omg...
I wrote it wrong, i didn't mean made as in like
Made made
But they consist of it
Only kr1ill and crab are not
Crab are probably simple animals who can be eat and they prefer to stay in the darkness
Krill are dark dragon
Yeah, true
Wish mean they are more agressif with all thing who are pure light
Yeah, they're light hungry
Crab no
They just hit all light
Like if it hurt them and they want to hurt it back
Well, Ive got a theory Krills were made from Oramge Light in GW... So they're kinda born from light? Corrupted one tho
I didn't see them
I hear them and sometimes see them a lot
They're there, but its hard to see because its dark
Yeah, they're in the pipe thing
But I see them occasionally too
.... Weird that they're only there tho....
Well, it looks like water was originally there...
Yea, true
Crabs are often in areas where water is meant to be in
Yeah
Though...
Krills are also around areas with the death water
Except for the one around the bridge and the door to the winged light party
In eden
... Never mind
Fire will give us power after all
They should breath dark fire
Which is the opposite of light of gas
Ye
Hm....
Like from the crystal maybe
Oh wait
Maybe they do it like the red crystal do
And crabs are not naturally violent or dark alined. Prolly. Since we see nice ones with no dark dust on them.
Like the one at the fire ? XD
At the fire?
You know the one who are big and normally need to be eating
They have no dark thing
Ppl are not scare of them
Sorry. Don’t know which ones they are.
Maybe uhhh. Darkness seeped into them instead of just being on the outside or.....somethin.
It's the one being grilled
Ye
Ohhhh. Haha. Guess they got the darkness cooked out of them. Prolly not very tasty with darkness.
Lol
Before, 2 crabs I put on the sand close of the water disappear has they are dead
The only thing I find are the darkness who was around them xD
The light ball at the end is the orbit
Maaaybe...
The core of megan
Thats cuz when crabs get too far away from home, they teleport back...lol
They was not so away xD
Oh and i would like to make sum amendments to the symbiote theory regarding... recent developments
Here we go
Everything abt dust and stasis sparks remain the same
Wait nvm
Canon livestream says creatures
So krill and crabs r made from light molecules too
Basically there is nothing to change
well, light and darkness can live harmony
Cuz that means neutral creatures r made of light molecules too
And light molecules have nothing to do with recharging
Which puts the symbiont theory in the clear
Huh...it's like Hollow knight

already have some tables of values of the items of this new season?
that's beta spoiler content. Check in the beta channels
i had an idea
every time you go to eden, it's like by reviving the fallen people you bring more and more new players?
its a weird idea but
i like it
Interesting take!
ty
I had the same idea long ago
Well... given that the fallen r most likely gen3 skids... thats very unlikely lol
The fallen look different from us...
not really, they look like you when you run out of wl
No....they dont...
Lore peeps, help me out here
Does someone have brickys size and shape comparison?
@tame dock there r 4 generations of skids that we currently know of...
Gen 4 is us
But this is all just a theory
A sky theory
But like super promising and supported by walls of evidence
Oh and i dont think a lot of people have put two and two together so im gonna shock yall and put everyone in V.E.
4 generations??
^ that up there is canon from a livestream...
But do yall remember that krill, crabs, whales, skids, and ancestors r creatures?
Yup... they r all made in clouds lol
All theories u may have had abt the creation or birth of creatures is not canon haha
But that doesn't mean those theories r bad...these non canon confirmed theories r welcome in lore chat too! So keep up the good work lol
Happy V.E.-ing
V E. here means voluntary effect, which is when your bedrock theory gets destroyed and u go into shock lol
And yes, @lyric isle encourages the use of this term
The livestream said they were born from the light not clouds???
Read again...
the clouds part is "emerging from the clouds" not created from.
it’s debatable if skykids and ancestors count as light/dark creatures
we see that ancestors have families, they likely reproduce like humans
and skykids are likely « made » much like the fallen child in isle, made in orbit and fall to earth
No matter the disposition, skids and ancestors r creatures
Same goes for krill and whales and crabs
The question is, light or dark?
There is no refuting canon with speculation...
but we don’t see them « emerging from clouds »
that excerpt is probably referencing the non-sentient animals we see (mantas, whales, etc)
Both...
this canon is vague enough that it can be interpreted several ways
It was an example... the canon was very clear... if u r a creature, you are made of light
Crabs don't seem light though.
nor do krill’s
We dont know if plants count as creatures but dark dragons and crabs are called dark creatures lol
dark creatures = a creature.
and we don’t see crabs/krills manifesting from clouds, they manifest from ooze or sand
Ikr? Thats why its so shocking... but canon is canon... star wars fans learned this the hard way lol
the canon is vague enough
We dont see that either lol
Thing is, we have never seen dark creatures manifesting... only coming out of places and the canon doc provides the answer
What answer.
the canon has several interpretations, so enforcing your interpretation as the end-all-be-all and being like « oh you better change your theories because of how i interpret this line of text » is rather rude, don’t you think ?
Thats talking abt things like: are plants creatures too? But for organisms that r literally called creatures, its not really vague at all
by definition, creatures are anything that was created, both inanimate and animate.
arguably we have, we see in the first krill zone a krill manifests from the ooze (that ooze is NOT deep enough to house the krill in its full form)
So yes, i guess you could consider dark plants creatures too?
First, its not my interpretation tge quote rlly says it all...
Second, u dont need to change your theory if u dont feel like it lol
I never said that...
it is your interpretation
Oh well then ig dark plant seeds r created in clouds and they fall to the ground then lol
Well the krill could be digging a hole in the sand and
Cuz its sand
It disappears
« it » ?
All i'm here to say is, one's interpretation of canon lore isn't what's called "true canon".
The way you've been using the term gives me bad vibes, so i'd be thankful if you tone it down a little.
It literally says creatures in sky r connected to the light and born in the light... im rlly just repeating canon lol
and just like that
The riverbed
Like seriously im repeating wuts written there over and over lol... if u have a problem u should prolly take it up with the devs...
and yet it only refers to creatures we see emerging from clouds, i.e., light creatures
we’ve only seen light creatures emerge from clouds
(additionally, there was a period of time in the concepts when the term « creatures » exclusively referred to light creatures, and I take that into consideration when interpreting this text)
I don't have a problem with the devs, i have a problem with how you're literally discouraging people because their theories aren't canon.
And just like i said, one's interpretation of Canon is not true canon. "emerge from the clouds" isn't exactly "made by and inside the clouds"
There is a reason ppl say creatures instead of light creatures... also we dont see where dark creatures come from so its prolly somewhere with light
I actually didnt mean to emphasize clouds... some of the creatures may not come from clouds...
Wut im brain was ficused on is that they r connected to the light and made of light
And ofcourse they arent made BY clouds i never said that
but they arent
the in-game text literally states that
krill are dark dragons
crabs are dark creature crabs
they’re not light, in fact krill are confirmed to eat light
But the uncomfortable truth is even krill are made with light
One's interpretation of canon lore isn't true canon
but you’re not welcome to enforce it on others who interpret the canon in a different way
Yes... the way forward is figuring out how dark creatures r made of light... not denying that they r made with light
As i keep saying i didnt interpret canon... im repeating it like a record player...
Oh but plz ignore the made in clouds part
That was stupid of me to say
No, we're not going to ignore that
Ok then
That's the main reason why i do not like your behavior in terms of interpreting canon.
If u wish to believe that dark creatures r made in clouds be my guest
All creatures r made with light
Tho
.
Like it is written in the doc...
I like my canon staight
There rlly is no denying that all creatures r connected to the light and made of light...
Im srry but it says right there in the livestream
The rest i leave up to u
Even krill are creatures until the devs choose to revoke that...
It states in the passage that we see creatures emerging from the clouds, created with light like atoms or molecules coming together. We do not see all creatures emerging from clouds, only mantas, birds, and similar. Many creatures emerge from something else entirely. And the way I interpret this, and many other might as well, is that only certain creatures are made of light, along with of course the fact that there’s creatures stated to be dark.
This is where I leave my opinion on the passage.
In summary, people are allowed to have their interpretations. I’m allowed to have mine, you’re allowed to have yours. I wouldn’t take issue with you if you weren’t telling people that they don’t abide by canon because their interpretations of things that have been confirmed to be subjective—see Ktjn’s pinned post about interpretations of sky lore—aren’t the same as yours. Sky lore is subjective, and that includes the canon. It is within no one’s rights here aside from devs to assert what is or is not canon, as there is always a margin of error or interpretation that makes blanket statements like yours—« there rlly is no denying [thing] »—incorrect.
I’m done here.
Goodnight, although for you I believe it is the afternoon.
and for the record, i wasnt interpretting the cloud thing either that was just read wrong english isnt my first
the thing is... thats just a logic thing.... "all creatures r made of light" means wut its saying, but "we see creatures emerging from clouds" doesnt mean all creatures emerge from clouds
think of it like this:
"all dinosaurs went extinct" means that all dinosaurs went extinct
but if u say "we see dinosaurs eating plants" doesnt mean all dinosaurs eat plants
so your logic is flawed...
so basically the quote from livestream means that only birds, mantas, and similar emerge from clouds, but all creatures are made of light...
see... it doesnt matter where they come from.. they r all made of light... if u cant accept that, then you are just stubborn and illogical...
this rlly isnt my interpretation, its just the quote coupled with basic logic... see... u r saying that the dev said it wrong and somehow in their mind "creature" only applies to light creatures... and that is a true interpretation, because you are cutting out phrases you dont wanna see, and putting in phrases you DO wanna see... what im saying is that when the dev said wut they said, they said wut they said... there rlly is nothing that i added at all... its just logic....
hi 
hi...
Pyre, I'd like to chime in, if that's allowed.
hi-
can it not be allowed?
Eh, just trying to respect the two sides
oh thank you
^ that up there is canon from a livestream...
But do yall remember that krill, crabs, whales, skids, and ancestors r creatures?
Yup... they r all made outta light
All theories u may have had abt the creation or birth of creatures is not canon haha
But that doesn't mean those theories r bad...these non canon confirmed theories r welcome in lore chat too! So keep up the good work lol
Why is everyone dead in sky again
i changed it a bit from my original message cuz bricky and goober pointed out a mistake i made while i was reading
maybe they r in V.E.
maybe they dont like the vibes rn...
there’s several theories about why the sky kingdom is empty, aside from light/dark creatures
the most common one I’ve seen is the eden explosion theory, and variants thereof, where the eden diamond exploded and wiped out the kingdom. some people believe the explosion caused a gradual wipe out (think a nuclear winter of sorts perhaps) and others think it was all at once, and there’s others that are a mix of the two, etc.,
and then of course there’s the war theories, but this message is getting too long already
ohhhhhhhh in* sky*
Oh lmao
I was confused by Pyre’s statement at first-
But yeah, i think I support those theories too. It’s more like a combination of both the war and explosion?
all we know about the collapse of the kingdom is that power diamonds were involved somehow, so do with that information what you will
« The diamonds [are] related to their downfall »
although in this quote, « they » could simply refer to the elders, and frankly i suggest reading the whole canon doc to get an idea of the context
yes yes that theory, i subscribe to as well... if that theory were to be destroyed, most of my would go poof lol...
no need to ping me, I’m here
oop yes yes
What if sky world are just a bunch of REALLY HIGH pieces of land,higher than the clouds
But sanctuary doesn’t make sense so
i mean, that’s kind of what the « floating » bits are, don’t you think ?
Omg like the ocean and everything is one giant island?????
Coooool... but we do get a clear transition from
Birds nest to sanc... so no
What if the sky world sea slowly rise and emerging the originally floating islands
Oml that would be scary
But if that were tru the time loop theory would be disproved lol
im watching the launch livestream, bc i have nothing better to do, and they described the child of light/wls as « staring off wistfully »
take that as y’all will 

im going through the livestream and writing notes about interesting quotes i find, here’s two more:
A: Let’s talk a bit more about spirits ? Since they’re here ?
B: sure, yeah !
A: So, um, you can see these tombstones around the social area here, these are representative of the different spirits we’ve found out in the world, and we’ve sort of uh- brought them back to their local temple, we’ve, uh, sort of united them in the stars, and here we can kinda- call them down from the stars um- to their tombstone in social space
and here’s the FULL creatures quote
q: where do the creatures come from, in sky ?
a: so yeah- so the creatures in sky are um- are connected to the light and kinda born from the light. we- we can tease here and there but it’s actually, yknow, what their origins are, where they come from. but everything that’s living and loving in the world is a product of the light. so, you’ll often see creatures emerging from the clouds actually manifesting out of the light itself as the light sort of comes together. you can almost think of it like atoms or molecules- like as these lights are kinda coming together, new life is being born
here’s an interesting one about the spirits 👁️👁️
q: so why did you remove the spirits from their places in the world ?
a: well- well the story of the spirits is that they were once connected, united in the stars and something bad happened and they- and they became trapped, and so you’ll kind of find them in the world, kind of piecing together their memories, finding their trapped souls and bringing your light to them so they can be redeemed and they can be united in the stars. so, there is this need to kind of move on for them, but that’s not to say once they’re back up in the stars as we’re seeing here- that they can’t be called back down. so as you go, as you go and initially save the spirits and unite them, um, going forward will- we can look at opportunities to bring those spirits back into the world and take advantage of them and kind of include them in sort of- more parts of the world. but yeah, it’s sort of to help tell that story about what you’re doing for them and how you’re helping them
a comment about the mushrooms, it makes me wonder if glowing mushrooms are more sentient than we think
A: [reading message shrines] ‘don’t eat the glowy mushrooms’. I mean, I think they’d be kind of nice
B: they’d replenish you
A: I just don’t know if they’d like being eaten
Ooh, the muchrooms are interesting...
They did seem... alive based from how they move, going up and down...
As if they're breathing...
The spirits part seem to imply the devs are still planning and thinking of ideas about what to do with the spirits. Or at least, were planning at the time of the livestream.
Looks like there's more we may expect in the future!
"everything that's living and loving in the world is a product of the light"
Wow. This just confirms a headcanon I had that "All that is born from the Light will eventurally return to the Light" ~made up quote that I made up and imagined the Isle Elder telling 'lil Prince
We need THAT to be canon
I still cant get over the fact that krill and crabs r born from the light...
Dang...
Well, I did have a headcanon/theory that Krills are like born from the corrupted Orange Light in GW. It was based off of how people noticed clouds from orange light mural looking like a Krill
Huh...
So in a way, they are born from the Light
Oh?
Maybe they were light creatures at first just like the butterflies and Mantas and got corrupted by darkness later because of some incident?
The lights you got from Prophecy
Oh....
The Enchantment Lights I believed are artificial versions of them
@safe basin aguired characteristics arent passed on lol
*aquired
Dust compatibily has smth to do with their genes
Well the Krills and Crabs don't reproduce do they? I mean, I for one have not seen any small versions of krills and crabs. But there are small versions of Mantas, hence Mantas can reproduce but I don't think we can say the same for krills and crabs
They are born naturally
But prob they r born in their mature state outta the clouds lol
Krills aren't born out of the clouds are they?
Maybe born out of the light and then corrupted by darkness?
Plus, the different sizes of mantas r different species
How?
@safe basin exactly... as the symbiont theory goes, krill r neutral but they r dust compatible and soon after birth, a lifelong plague of dust begins
I was replying to that
Well, its weird cuz if mantas grow, we dont see them do, and the livestream says we can SEE the mantas being born from the clouds and the mantas we see being born are quite large... so prob the small pigmy mantas r different species from the monowings and so on and so on
Which livestream you're talking about buddy? I'm new here so don't know much
That
Ahhh thanks
mushroom are jellyfish and this might be one of the proof
I mean plants can respond to sound and feels
Are you saying...
THE MUSHROOMS ARE JELLY CORPSES?! 
It's probably the same case with the mushrooms
There are recorded research that plants do not like being eaten
Irl
So if your vegan who don't like eating something who don't like being eaten change to drinking liquid 👁️
Anyway I'm guessing this might be the case
Yo guys
Is there are any bet for next two TS
I hope one of them will be Enchantment
So i dont have to miss any spirit
😔
Hi hi if you want to talk about the TS go to #general-sky-discussion instead of here this type of stuff is not lore
Nah... mushroo.s have corpses of their own so mushrooms prob arent jelly corpses
Folks we r gonna do a mushroom episode of nat geo sky in a while lol
Plz think of mushroom theories plz~~~
Mine
Since it is irl
I'm guessing it goes same with the mushrooms
They can have feelings
bro Pyre you could just think of hunting theories as an expedition of it's own- no need to force people to think of theories on the spot
Yes yes... im not... like forcing them....
I wanna see your theory pyre

I dont have... any significant mushroom theories
mayb the mushrooms r residual light energy?
so they appear places where a lot of light creatures r
ah srry, like leftover energy/light that comes from light creatures in the area
Dark plants are dried out light mushrooms
That’s my theory
I think mushroom is a cool parallel to dark plants even if they dont act the same.
I wonder if people ate light mushrooms
Lmao, did the "hooray" spirit die from being fallen from the seat
they did, but only some types
those r just significant moments in their lives dud....
mushrooms r prob their own species.. lol
sashimi.....
sushi is when u dip the cooked enchantment crops in vinegar and eat it with the light mushrooms lol
i found some murals in ark that have clouds that look like smokies
HMMM
Ark murals tell the stories of ancients while the cave murals were drawn by the Enchantment explorer
guess what the explorer found in the cave

Maybe it's for future preservation
If they ever run out of light creatures to crush
They will use this as their backup source
pyre will be the topic guy 
Nat geo sky covers the Horizon animal empyre :p
Oh oh I have a question
Do yall think that the other temples had eden-like beams to the sky too?
Showing their constellations?
Like they do in their elder cutscenes
I don't think so. I think the elders just yeeted spirits. Mainly cause that image is funny to me.
that do sound funny
yknow yall know about spirits/elders/light and dark creatures but has anyone ever thought about the star consteallation? Like you know how the stars on your freinds are either big or small with more stars? Could it mean anything? 
Oh yeah I wrote a thing that explains that
Ohhhhh thanmk now i know!
I'm looking for it
Ah, I just posted it on Tumblr.
Theory is a tad out of date with the new teasers but... https://null-the-feral-moff.tumblr.com/post/635763511258218496/on-the-col-and-sky-kids
If you know I’m upset about the krill thing, can you actually help me
Why do crabs attack spirits?
Oo
Maybe because like...
Crabs have a lot of aggression, and they see spirits as a way to relieve that tension?
Maybe they’re territorial?
Idk
if each constellations represents an elder(s). What about the seasonal constellations? 
🤔
The pendant I believe, if you are talking about how the stars are placed
Oh they're a mysterious bunch alright
I’ve heard some stuff about them being the next generation?
I personally headcanon that their physical body is made out of darkness while their soul light, but other than that i have nothing else to go on about them
Trying to think of how they came to be boggles my mind
I think they are definitely neutral beings, not really dark or light..
I think of them as made of clay and hollow in the inside
They may have been made (somehow) as a desperate attempt by the king (or prince) to save the kingdom?
They are able to winstand pain and the temperature without any budge
spirit corpses and light creatures
When deprived of light/cape energy, their body starts to turn into this really weird dark stone texture
They seem to somewhat feel pain, eg how they react in Eden and whatnot, and the elder cutscenes show the definitely have emotion
like
the corpses must have gone somewhere
They also seem to get cold, cuz they shiver in the rain.
Their eyes seems to give off a radiant light but never opens them when faceless, heck their face is pitch black
decomposion
Due to the fact that they flinch in some cutscenes, I believe they can feel fear as well.
but what will eat the corpses
Krill, maybe?
fungus
Or crabs
darkness?
Dark plants maybe
I told you its the fungus

Krill are either natural predators or were trained for war
Those are my two guesses
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SKSKSKSKS-
Suddenly vesco girl
Krill is nike logo
Whatever you call it
who's their master then? 👀
But Skids are bad at yoga, so they maddd
uhhh
mantas
That’s why they attack..
Very flexible
They goes g l i t c h
But they still get attacked!?
krills saw that
They either have a lot of bones or barely any bones
Krill didnt want anyone superior than them
"ok we should do this"
Manta didnt have bones
At Erm’
b ö n k e d the mantas
Ate em*
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