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Hmmmm
@edgy sleet Appologies for the ping, but do you still have pictures of the "Traveler" cape in Sky? May I also ask when this was too?
« The elders were elders from the beginning, and children of light will not grow up to be elders. Children of light are of new generation »
« Elders are very ancient. We don't know their age or birthdays, gender, or if age & gender existed »
-Canon Lore Doc, Japanese Livestream 2
Oh, maybe I should have read that doc :3
Tis a pretty eye-opening read
anyway- the reason I said that that was MAYBE skid number one was that this kid looks like a skid and the fact that it was in Isle
aka the birthplace of the Prophecy
Bricky I think expanded on theories concerning that fallen skid somewhere
I'm positive that it is a sky kid, and if sky kids are the "new generation" It seems probable
Which- if I think about it now- does coronation technically count as 'growing up'
About that- if that skid was the Prince and he were the Eden Elder
If he were to be crowned King does that technically count as someone 'growing up'
Where is this from?
New updated spirit memories in Isle of Dawn
The spirits in isle got updated memories
Thank you
That 'come here' spirit memory to be exact
Just the first two
now if the Prince were to get into a mech- and they referred to the mecha Prince as the King
...
does that count as growing up-
@lethal stump This one is scaring me! Execute them!

Do it!!!
Bricky quick question is the Prince the Eden Elder in your theory about the fallen skid?
I HAVE RETURNED FROM THE FLAMES OF PURGATORY
even though there is no fire in eden and im just being dramatic
Oh heya Prenc
not much other than me having certain questions about what counts as growing up
growing up imo is getting more wl
OH MY GOD I DON’T HAVE PHOTO CONSENT WHO TOOK THIS
Because- Elders don't age, they were always just Elders
oh??? whats that 
then you die to fulfill the unfinished business of your dead ancestors for some fancy candles :)
Does Sky HAVE a court
lmao
ALL RISE FOR THE HONORABLE JUDGE OREO!
then again if they were organized enough for a military I GUESS they could have a court

Isn’t sky court the elders
They are the jury
Fair enough
Updated spirit memories for the Ushering Migrant
ooooo
ANYWAY- if Elders were always Elders and they don't grow into their positions as Elders-
What of the Prince and his Eden Elder status as King
ASSUMING all three of those people are the same person
Was he just always the Elder when he fell? Did coronation just not count for the ageless aspect?
This topic hurts my brain 😦
does patting your three pounds of sponge help
Yes, thank you
:0
Too much school, I can't keep up X/
I'm such a moth in terms of lore lol- but the Eden king looks so cool
Oh- welcome to one of our more chaotic hours then XD
We trust that you've read the pins?
Eden has plenty of fire. It's just frozen
not really, I read the doc tho
I've never really been interested in the kingdom or how it works. the elders, the king, the prince, what they represent: Pffthpt!
I clicked on this channel on accident and got wrapped up in reading the discussion XD
on the contrary according to Dante's Inferno not much of hell is even on fire-
And the Ninth Circle is frozen
GET OUTTA HERE WITH YOUR DANTE'S INFERNO
Never- you know how much Paradiso energy the Orbit exudes???
-
That thing is literally the Empyrean-
+-+
BANNED!
Tis cool but what are we discussing about them-
i just used it as an excuse to flex
if we're flexing we probably shouldn't do it here-
yeah it was a one time thing
Oh mai
Well, that's all I have
not to mention when you die
how do u just get transported
does your spirit float to the diamond that we dont see
Huh?
or just instantaneously
...
doesn't our spirit just like- kind of wander around when we die
MOMMY! HELP ME!
And the camera just pans up to the moon
i swear spirits all went to eden
and they were remembered because they ascended eden
however i dont think elders did that ever
...
The Elders are pretty much in limbo so not sure how they could have Ascended themselves
HEEEELLLLLPPPPP!
so you've got a point there-
EEEEEEEEE
oof- good luck on the history dude
bc it would help every single elder
you can see how your flame helped all the elders
@grand swift I actually feel like the king was consumed with greed after combining the elements into the eden diamond.
He forcefully removed the light from the Isle elder and destroyed/stole forging hammer of the Forest elder.
I'm deleting my brain. And blowing up this server
We couldn't really do it because it was never our job to do it
yeah it was the kings greed
because he felt entitled to all of the light in the diamond
There was no light except the Light Kids to keep the darkness from overwhelming the realms, which is why we see darkness plants even in Prairie.
heck even Isle underneath the temple apparently
The light Kids all went to Eden to try and save the lands, but they couldn't overcome the storm.
which connects to the theory
(i am beginning to think descendants are pretty much what happens if light n darkness have babies (from that one concept art of venn diagram with light n dark creatures))
i've got no clue what to make of that interpretation
other than that yes that's TECHNICALLY what they are-
We never see Spirits or Elder riding Mantas. They are always in light-powered boats.
yeah
Mantas have a special connection to the Children of the Light.
(what im trying to say is “canonly” there is no dark counterpart to skykids, but you can corrupt skykids if you mean pushing the light and dark in them out of balance. but if you’re drawing dark-kids for the lolz n fun just go for it)
k-krill manta
i mean a skykid isnt light
its just light to fulfil their form
this was another theory
(and yea this is a reaction to the fanart about dark kids)
A h-
that skykids were just dark not hostile creatures with some wl to cover up their dark side
but when we ascend eden we get true light and can break boulders and everything
prenc has left the chat
lol
I don't think the kingdom had a civil war. I think the product of the King's greed was some dark forces that came against GW from the outside, either by being called by the king in Eden, or by being DRAWN to the power of Eden.
GW put up a valiant defense, but eden and everything, including most of the dark forces, were destroyed.
gw didnt have krills imo before
they mightve had something else
just like the pollution couldve
I don't think it was all Krill, but at least some, including Pipicus Giganticus (pipe cleaners, which could actually do stuff because almost all the light was gone from the land)
also pipes play a big part in eden
@queen locust c'mon. You love it.
I have a few misgivings
One- we're not even sure if those things even exist outside of the zfire Trial
gw was never a place that was meant to be good
it was a factory
merely for ppl to work
and make more power diamonds
Two, they're probably not even real
Two- those things are quite unlike krill in that they're not at all hostile
then bc of improper care (imo)
the factory deteriorated and the dark creatures were formed and yeah
They're a threat to the existence of light but it's not an active effort
@grand swift probably (see broken crystal room with first krill), but all we see in the memories is the warfare/defense part of it.
plus gw is below the clouds
Light merely happens to be snuffed out if you happen to be in their path
maybe like the turrets seen in the concept art
What is the topic btw? I kinda get it but idk if I get it fully
R we sure shadows r creatures?
Personal theory is that while Krill are deaf, Pipe Cleaners are blind. They feel light and follow it around.
The shadows are like creatures but they behave in a way that something programmed would behave, plus they're literally just smoke
@hushed steeple everything
pipe cleaners are probably anything but blind considering they're literally just eyes with smoke trails
Maybe its just magic smoke
Also morning Pyre
Hey~~~
Yeah maybe they are just magic
@edgy sleet Appologies for the ping, but do you still have pictures of the "Traveler" cape in Sky? May I also ask when this was too?
@cobalt garnet hi there! I’m at work atm but will get back to u tonight with dates
If not blind in that sense then they're probably using thermal vision
Thanks!
The "eyes" r prob like wuts generating the smoke...
Ooo
Oh hey duds wut dya think is better?
Tst.ver.2.0
Or
The symbiote theory?
I mean they cover different topics
But which one is cooler
?
U know the tst ver.2.0 right?
I prob do and just never knew what it was called
the heck is symbiote theory
Oh right- considering we don't exactly know how long the war wages for it's not like it isn't possible at all for there to have been a civil war and a subsequent one with krill if they crossed a certain threshold
Man, this asparagus is pretty good
So those barricades could have been used for civil war
And at some point during it the krill were attracted to the damage wrought by that same war
Its a theory that says all light and dark creatures r neutral creatures hosting thousands of tiny organisms
And that light creature and dark creature r merely names that hold any "scinetific" significance
Or at least- whatever darkness was generated
again- they're outright stated to be light and dark creatures
in canon lore
'rich ecology of light and dark'
specifically referred to as 'dark creatures'
Yes
I explain in the doc
Im saying saying "light creatures" and not neutral creatures with light symbiotes is like saying "flying things" and not "birds:
"flying things' also applies to krill
No like irl
So what's your Sky equivalent?
Uding the term "light creatures" instead of "neutral creatures capable of hosting light symbiotes"
*using
Noy uding
Dang typos
You can edit messages
If I remember from last night you also brought up Prairie and Vault Elder in the construction of butterflies and spirit mantas
And while I agree that the spirit mantas do smell like artificial work- the butterflies are questionable
Yes- we see Prairie Elder fashion a butterfly out of flames
What if any organism that's transparent is artificial
But I'm having doubts about the ENTIRE RACE of butterflies having been artificial
I mean- considering Vault where we even see those spirit mantas is a projection
Then again we have the Jellyfish and I doubt those are artificial
Ah, right
Plus the mushrooms
yk how we see manta getting ||krilled|| in first krill area in gw? what if the transparent mantas we see in vault are like ghosts of the ones that died in gw? what if there were more of them in gw before?
Heck I don't doubt that a lot of mantas were killed in Golden Wasteland
But I do wonder how they'd even get to Vault
well you only have door from gw to vault...and maybe they were taken there...anyways i didn’t think this thru it was just random idea...sorry
Isn't there a theory that vault is all a dream when we go in it? Could explain why things look so transparent and unreal.
Tis okay- it's a valid question
No need to apologise your idea is fine
And ye there was one in Theory Vault and some dev quotes concerning Vault's dreamlike state
keyword is dreamlike
I can’t stop thinking about the fact that skids were intended to sound like clay
They come off as sentient glamim (plural for golem) to me now
wait THAT'S the plural of GOLEM
how does clay sound like? were they supposed to make like ‘clack’ ‘clack’?
I always saw them as stone but idk
Don’t ask me, ask Hebrew grammar
clay kind of sounds like stone if it was hardened enough and yes it does go clack
Hey voluntary
I just wonder how skids can move their limbs since they're hardened and only internally made of light
This is very inspired by Hollow Knight, but they seem like vessels for light (as opposed to void, in HK)
glamim of clay or stone
i haven't seen this theory pop up in a bit and now my morning is made
and they might be made by a deity
as well as the vessels
though this is assuming that intro narrator is Megan
and I don’t have a certain belief on that
I think I have found a way for the symbiote theory work with the mech krill theory
i seriously doubt that krill are mech but go on
tell
The robots have mechanisms that grow symbiotes inside them
(also the possible krill bones are making me uneasy)
Like petri dishes but cooler
And personally i believe krill r organic
Plus its canon whether u like it or not
I’ll only be upset with the krill thing as a lot would collapse on my lore and headcanon end
how is it canon
prove
The livestream
Reminder that mantas in prairie have power diamonds in them which are artificial things
Edit: (well they appear to be power diamonds)
Go to the theory vault and search for krill theories
I mean- if you're looking for absolute clarification we have the canon lore doc Pyre
All I know
Not Theory Vault
Is that strawberries mean love
on the contrary in the language of flowers they actually mean cheerfulness
But rainy days! Mushroom weather!
Kbxkhxkhd
<“The world of Sky has a rich ecology of light and dark”>
<“Dark creatures and dark plants will try to take light from you”>
Yes...
Gotta go eat food brb for awhile
<"Strawberries mean love">
Two livestream quotes that point to the krill's dubious existence as a non-organic being- and leans towards it being organic
A third, secret, quote ^
Logically sleaking, thos dont prove anything virdi...
Actually, they do. If they were said (I assume by the devs) It makes it canon
If krill arent dark creatures it still works with those canon stuff
Krill are dark creatures.
Yes yes@fallen epoch its canon
I realize that, but if we were to assume that they were MECHS- how do you explain it's existence in Prophecy
beware the ||mods||
Ikr?
I don't think Krill are mechs
“All creatures are born naturally into the world”
Just 'cuz they survived in the sludge, and that stuff is nasty
That too, really
@lyric isle You get 7/10ths of a moment
I feel a really really horrible unease right now
@fallen epoch they evolved so they can survive the sludge....
Its like melted icecream to them
Bricky has a scary aura
No@fallen epoch i think krill r organisms
Why would they have to survive the sludge when they just fly over them
D: whats happened here
I’m just frozen
You need more moments- don't mind Bugkid-
Just- all the moments that you need Voluntary
Let it all out in cozy chat
Take 'em
Ye
Do you want to dm me what's wrong? I know you don't know me but I want to help 😦
He just realized krill were organic
I take back what I said then definitely mind Bugkid
I’ve strongly believed the krill are war machines for the longest time, and so many of my beliefs have been rooted in that, and a lot of my view of the kingdom of Sky as a whole
and it is most likely completely debunked by the sole sentence “All creatures are born naturally into the world” being said by the devs, which means so many of my theories crumble to dust
I don’t feel alright
Its not really much of canon lore if that helps even if it is dubious- not much is outright confirmed about krill
A good transition from there is to move into your "krill r war beasts" phase@lyric isle
everything
take your time
here go the stages of griiiiief
but your theory is definitely valid. many people have thought that. dont let the devs talk your way into this haha
Take your time, lore chat ain't going anywhere- and we'll be happy to listen to any theories you come up with
this one belief was the source of so many fun and interesting ideas
cool concepts of how they could work
how it impacted the economy
how the war went
oh THAT'S terrifying to think about ngl
@lyric isle Have you ever played/seen Journey?
That makes it a good theory in my book. Also don't forget that selectively bread creatures are still born naturally
the fact they still charge even now it’s over as they were made to
I know of the war machines there; it supported this
so many cool ideas
I feel like I'm back in front of panelists I'm sorry-
so many happy memories
Well, I feel like you should play it. You may like a lot of the things presented in the game
which are now invalid
Try it, it is $4.99 on the app store
nothing
If u think of krill as specifically trained and selectively bred war beasts it all still works
It’s been 6 months
Just because they're disproven doesn't mean they're invalidated, you know
The memories you've attached to this I mean
They can’t come off as natural to me, I can’t envision them as natural
And don't deminish the fun you got from them
to be fair none of us really thought those things were natural from the start lmao
I might hang onto that??
So your observations were valid from the beginning
anyway I gotta get ready for class- good luck Voluntary-
you can keep your theories. its a theory for a reason
you have many things to back it up, and its clear that you’re very passionate about this particular theory. this channel accepts all theories, dont let any dev confirmations change your views
@lyric isle All your theories are wrong. EVERYONE'S theories are wrong. If TGC releases all the lore, It's gonna be some random bullcrap that doesn't make sense with anything XD
good point
and tgc loves to keep things vague. i highly doubt theyll ever release the whole story
it’s just
@spring blaze They wont. That's what makes a good story
‘intentionally vague to allow and encourage interpretation’
but my biggest strongest-held idea is thrown away
@lyric isle Can I provide you with some advice?
Uhm
take some time off of this channel
...And eat an apple.
Yes
Hey guys, I actually have a lore secret, so Imma use spoiler tags
||I hacked into Sky and I created a secret area inside the daylight prarie, behind the clouds and above the caves. Inside the area, is the Sky Bugkid Lemonade Stand! I sell lemonade there for 30 cents (50 cents for pink lemonade ;)) Just wanted you guys to know that||
Don't tell the devs
Please do not talk about hacked content here
Even though it's spoilered
I'm also joking 
Xd
hands out lemonade to everyone
I keep trying to convince myself they’re machines but they’re confirmed not
this is going to be such a painful transition
AFTER THEM, MY PRETTY!


their fearsome organic bodies
you cut the krill into sushi
hhhhhh
Voluntary, do you want some lemonade?
sushi is possible they don’t taste like metal they’re not metal

Yes please
...But they live in toxic sludge
Bugkid's a meanie 
YOU STOLE MY LEMONADE
No I didn't 
I’d say their machinery would be able to survive that, but they’re not machinery
Some lemonade, just for you, voluntary c: 
thank
That's totally lemonade, by the way XD
mmkay before this turns into #general-sky-discussion -back to lore everybody-
wait holy christ there's s e v e n
the majority of my lore is collapsed so uh
I keep on thinking krills are skykids with their light snuffed out, and they try to attack normal skykids cause they're desperate for their light back
Butters is gonna have a field day
so much of my lore is gone
that's... i can't tell if you mean that one krill is one skid or if the krill is an amalgamation of several skids
for me krills are corrupted light creatures
at least the spirit stuff remains
Hey Voluntary, do you know what would make you feel better?
i mean the game is all up to interpretation
Someone selling lemonade now? 
Morning Flos
well some of the spirit stuff is still there but some somewhat developed ideas about krill manufacturing will never see the light of day
Morning 
they just can’t be organic why do they sound the way they do
don't tell the devs
WHY DO THEY SOUND THE WAY THEY DO
Voluntary's grief is kind of making me think though- because Butters once had this theory about the Elders being the Five Stages of Grief
They sounds like helicopter
Now that Shock and Testing are in the mix
Why do cats meow? why do sky kids beep? NO IDEA
HOW CAN THE EYE JUST SHIFT
Cybernetic stuff
cybernetic stuff
denial is fun
I wonder how frustrated I’ll get later
It isn't healthy though
Maybe krills sound mechanical because they have armored plates for an exoskeleton that may be caked with ooze to make it more clanky? Idk
also I think crabs might be able to move their eyes like that but idk either
ye
And it doesn't seem like true denial
it kinda sounds like Bargaining at first but then you kind of looped back into Denial
The stages aren’t linear
that’s just a rough map, it’s the main emotions you’ll just feel
but kind of a rough order
mayhaps
anyway- before I get any more insensitive- do you want to talk about smthn else
smthn to just- take your mind off the grief for a sec
so many of my theories are dead or damaged so what do I do
Virdi, come join us on Sky!
hang out with Bugkid I guess I have a quiz-
Voluntary, come with me on sky
Alrighty, send QR
Random Thoughts about the lore of the game, but back then a year ago or two ( since i used to be a beta player lol ) I used to theorize maybe the game is about human civilization and after everything that went wrong in certain events ( i didn't know how to describe this ) it turned into some sort of unfinished afterlife or purgatory
But now I'm just :/ lol
Hm
You know, natural creatures made of metal is not off the table
Yes
That's still natural by some accounts-
Like- they could be a sort of natural golem or smthn
What if sky people purposely give them metal body-
Natural- if the Ancestors had no hand whatsoever in their construction
because by then they wouldn't be organic
then again the timeline displayed in Prophecy isn't really all that set- maybe it isn't as ancient as we took it for, but I'm grasping at straws there
That it was described as presenting the origins of the Kingdom makes this interpretation iffy
But when we look at the murals again, it looks as though they already have a military in place, with Wasteland Elder at the helm
So it's not unreasonable to think that there must have been SOME kind of war that they were going to- or preparing for
That the last mural looks as complete as it does and presents the Kingdom of Sky in what looked like its peak is somewhat telling of how much time must have passed
I mean- we have Vault in place, a complete structure of Eden, and even the Valley's flying races
It's wholly possible that the power diamonds are much more ancient of a craft than we took it for
Advanced enough to construct Vault and control the beam of Ascension and while I still don't wholly agree that krill are mechanical
@lyric isle -there's still some kind of hope for it
plus the krill being presented in exactly one place in all of the murals in Prophecy- the last one, where the Kingdom is at it's best- is kind of telling
Holdup is "the fall" after the event of eden's diamond? Or before?
The fall I think is more of a pyramid where they experienced the peak first
And then just slid down and culminated in the Eden diamond exploding
« the fall » refers to either when the elders fell or when the kingdom fell, it changes depending on the context of the discussion
Yeah that too-
anyway I might have looked into the timeline placement of Prophecy a little too much
My sentiment still stands though- power diamonds are an ancient craft-
well semi-ancient with regards to Prophecy
Aah, i was referring to when the elders fell and "made the clouds their home"
Oh that fall-
I saw a theory here once where that intro cutscene is out of order- and that the fall of the Elders referred to them falling from grace after Eden instead of before
i.e. instead of falling from somewhere like say- Orbit
Ooh, interesting
I can't do that theory any justice since Butters came up with it and I suck at retelling others' theories-
but that was generally the gist of it
I see I see, thanks a bunch!
I still can't think of how the Vault and Forest elder are possibly related, i wanted to figure this out myself but I just can't-
There's no other information to go on about them other than that they both use diamonds and have similar masks
Lmao mostly I just think the relation was that the diamonds in their cutscenes are the same diamond
Like you know how Forest Elder fixes a diamond in her cutscene
And by the time we get to Vault Elder we have another diamond that she uses to project murals
That's true, and with both using the diamonds I've always assumed they at least knew each other to talk about er... Business(?)
So the relation is that they're business partners?
All of the Elders know each other
They've come from the same place
Whether or not their connections extend further than business is debatable tho
Other than the Twins and their fraternal relation anyway
Hidden forest description is 'find the source of ancient power'
So yea maybe the diamond is ancient-
Aight thanks Pyre
i'm in class but honestly I'll take anything over cinematography-
Perhaps? I just think that they definitely knew each other, exactly what their relationship is, im not so sure
the way i see the elders are like a family tbh
and the prince is...
Lamed and Teth already confirmed to have a... connection?
Like
Canon doc
Idk the word aa
an insane family where GW Elder had to deal with the Twins for an entire era because they shared a realm once-
« their masks are similar because they are related » is the phrasing
bricky? wut dya think abt the symbiote theory
ye
Ah yes related
i haven’t read it yet
Thankies bricky
I brought up the diamond earlier but other than that I'm stumped-
imma put it in the theory vault
stumped regarding what ? the relation of the elders ?
O-
u read the symbiote theory @icy spruce ?
no, I just lurked right now
Idk about you guys but i definitely don't wear matching clothes or things reassembling theirs with my relatives just because we're related
well, some people does (prolly)
Design choices- makes it easier to distinguish if we're talking meta
That sounds more like a, uniformed thing
a uniform I'm-
hhh
Megan: I've made children and I have also made matching uniforms and yOU WILL LIKE IT-
yES
I've always thought that they were simply... Idk, tasked? Like the elders are ministers and the king is the president or something
the way i see it
the elders were gods, created « oldest » (isle) to « youngest » (valley), CoL notwithstanding
they spent a while together in orbit, with megabird as a « mother » figure of sorts, and from that time they developed a family bond. i used to ship elders, but once i started seeing them more and more as related i was like « nahhhhhhhhhh »
ok
~~now i ship spirits
~~
I- what
prince is somehow in the center....
god i can get behind that=
prince, the spoiled youngest sibling
i see the prince as a child they raised together, although isle was probably the prince’s main caretaker
can i dm you with my weird spirit ships 
I- w h a t
dm me about ship a n y t h i n g
w h a t
wh
wait whay
Oh my-
I- anyways, I'll just uhhh * commits Eden *
oh ok can't say that then
Hmmm
The prince being raised by the elders... maybe the next season will be about that but from different perspective with different actors?
It takes a village...
Admiring Actor big Teth fanboy
Yess
the guy waxes poetic about her being a star that's the best thing ever
I ship my oc with my other oc is that okay-
i regret bringing up ships, let’s move on from the subject 
yes, before we drink another glass of water
symbiote theory
yes
OKAY so- I still retain my misgivings about the butterflies being a whole artificial species
ok
Butterflies maybe just light but having a physical form?
that was not the theory....
its a smol discussion abt it
nvm
the prairie elder transforms the fire into the butterflies...
ngl i thought the elders were the bad guys at first thanks to Ayin's first impression-
in the future prarie will be flooded with butterflies
b-but- big cuddly Elder-
"Sir what are you doing? siR WHY ARE YOU CRUSHING MY LIGHT AAAA"
"get inside the pot Baxter"
prairie elder looks so huggable and soft i trusted them immediately 
Isle was immediating to me at first
I've only stopped thinking that the elders were the bad guys when i met the twins
morse code intensifies
my first time watching the elder cutscenes I was just confused and didn’t understand who they were and what they were doing
wh-
me too
all I comprehended was “tall people stand in front of me, do cool things”
-scary oldbroken mask guy
-Giant guy crushing light
-Big woman snatches my flame
what
ok
Anyway- Pyre quick question, was the theory made simply to have a better sort of distinction between the creatures
oops, wrong message. Sorry-
is fine
this theory is the first step in a new sky creature classification system
ok imma post a text wall...
:/
oh yay, text wall
man why'd you have to remind me taxonomy is one of my credits
There's a nonzero chance that all our skykid sees is "Strange tall people doing strange things but letting me move forward so that's cool"
:0
gentle husks of light and clay just imitating spirits like the children they are-
thats what i relate w skykids
that's a weird combination of morbid and wholesome
(imagine skykids learning asl)
then au we have fingers?
Glamim-vessels much
ASL but it's advanced morse code that just comprises of honking
another problem
idk whether skykids can learn or they’re just imitating whatever they see
Are the spirits normally visible like that? Or does skids have some psychic powers to just see ghosts?
hey yeah they technically could learn morse code
so like parrotspeak
we have the thumb
yes
to learn is actually applying whatever you see and add variety to the body of knowledge, so its a bit complex
but that's a finger-
Perhaps our emotes are a form of SL, since we need to have a standardized (through Spirits) system of communicatioon that relies entirely on the parts of the body that we do have
I once had this crackpot idea for tonal honk language
h j o n k
They do have social capacity though- going by that shiny boi interaction in Eden
oH
Kinda odd how the only thing of recording history that we have in Sky are just murals
Despite not learning how to hug or hold hands with spirits
when the isle elder nodded and skykid nodded back...
do they actually know or just mimicking what is socially expected?
mitten hands
No hint of Sky used to have actual writing and languages
:(((
yes
why mitten
what if sky does not have textual language but depends on visuals entirely?
all I want is to be able to hug spirits
is it lessens the complexity
Well, there is the mask- that has writings-
headcanon
imagine hugging dead people
oh yeah
Oh wait Voluntary you're here- there's hope for your krill mechs
Oh no now I'm justified imagine a person wearing a mask irl with just alot of words written onto it
the purge
(unrelated so in brackets- forever fascinated w the idea of skykids irl bc imagine meeting a kid looking no older than 10 but wearing a mask with glowing eyes and an outfit that is too cold for the weather)
But we're talking about Sky where anything happens :DD
no there isn’t
scribbles "UwU" onto Vault's mask
tell me how there is
hold on I went over that earlier
Natural- if the Ancestors had no hand whatsoever in their construction
because by then they wouldn't be organic
then again the timeline displayed in Prophecy isn't really all that set- maybe it isn't as ancient as we took it for, but I'm grasping at straws there
That it was described as presenting the origins of the Kingdom makes this interpretation iffy
But when we look at the murals again, it looks as though they already have a military in place, with Wasteland Elder at the helm
So it's not unreasonable to think that there must have been SOME kind of war that they were going to- or preparing for
That the last mural looks as complete as it does and presents the Kingdom of Sky in what looked like its peak is somewhat telling of how much time must have passed
I mean- we have Vault in place, a complete structure of Eden, and even the Valley's flying races
It's wholly possible that the power diamonds are much more ancient of a craft than we took it for
Advanced enough to construct Vault and control the beam of Ascension and while I still don't wholly agree that krill are mechanical
@Voluntary has Ascended -there's still some kind of hope for it
plus the krill being presented in exactly one place in all of the murals in Prophecy- the last one, where the Kingdom is at it's best- is kind of telling
the future is already written bruh...
I’m preparing to make the possibly painful transition
Like, a birb mom send her kids that doesn't know anything to save a world :))
They did kinda have alphabet... its on one vault mask
This whole block of text
What the Megan
“All creatures are born naturally”
so vault mask is like “abcdefghijklmnop”? jk
what am I supposed to do
idk
ok m bacc
Hi Bacc
Vault mask might can be some kind of rosetta stone for us 
Naturally- but then we see krill in a time where they are advanced and pretty much peaked
ye my name is bacc now
Yes
if all creatures are said to be born naturally krill aren’t machines, quod erat demonstratum
Imagine what they're writing on Vault's mask "she is very coolio praise her"
I’m struggling to accept it but slowly reluctantly am
Aight but who said/imply that? I missed lots of information here...
So while WHOLLY artificial krill are impossible, cyborgs aren't necessarily off the table
welcome to my world
hi world
- laughs in always thinking that krills are natural *
it's hecking iffy though considering how far I've stretched the entire timeline
ok i gotta go
Aight bye Bacc
plz PLZ read the symbiote doc
[distant Lv 5 crying noises]
bye bacc
And now, lore chat got krilled
ok
being krilled feels a lot less fun knowing it’s confirmed not to be by destructive machines built as terror weapons
fun idea but
gone
ye :((
reduced to nothing but a happy memory thinking of it
who confirmed it aaaaaa
Plz i need to know when and where and by who-
The mechanical aspect is still valid even if I disagree with it

but for me i dont believe krills are evil because darkness is not inherently evil in the game. so krills can be born to be evil but made? probably
I enjoy(ed) the idea of the krill being built to be destructive
probably attacking the side that built them too at points but they couldn’t sort that out
What if they are trained to be evil?
Iffy but not impossible
ye
Krills and dark worms seem to have very bad sensibility
Crabs are different however, they spot us pretty easily
assuming dark worms even exist outside of the trial at all
they are destructive? good
they are born to be destructive? bad (unless u say that is breeded)
“tempests are krill fuel”
that was a joke but even that joke is gone
heck I'd argue the dark worms are even more mechanical than krill
me too
imagine its just a drone shooting out dust particles '
everything is ruined
lmao
Well i mean, Dark Worms and Krills never stray from their paths so
crabs are deadly roombas

they don't need knives to be deadly-
yes
Crabs being natural creature is makes more sense imo since crab grilling does exist
Like no one want to eat soemthing made of metal right-
ye
in real life roomba cleans dirty in sky roomba clean you
I mean, who eats metal? (Iron at the background)
Does that mean we are the dust? 
I can't it's just a Fox jesus head on two Jesus hands
Or just fox head tryna to push your screen 
Lmao chesca-
jesus no pls don't take me yet
i have so much to live for-
anyway imma stare at this to help
oh no its a meteorite
oh no it's the second coming
'Your time has come, child'
Lämp
I'm pretty sure someone came up with a theory that a skid's physical body was made out of darkness and their soul light before
Yyyyep
The moth has ascended and became lämp itself
what if, us are germs to sky world and dark is original inhabitants. just a random thing that my sleep deprived brain thought about-
Can we all agree that eden is just a very big l ä m p ?
is it skid biology time
Finally, King propaganda finally sent my message
all creatures are born naturally though so my skykid golem thing might be gone
If it's a lamp it's a very deadly one
now this is unpopular opinion
Does a skid qualify as a creature
are skids considered creatures
hhhhh
Heck they fell from the same place as the Elders and while THEY could be born naturally
skids are w e i r d
Oh King no-
dont worry im a supporter for that theory
“all creatures are born naturally”
HHhhhhhh
it ruined a lot of my theories
so am I- you can pry the golems out of my cold dead theorizing hands
are skid counted as cretaure
germs are natural too
which propoganda do u want, megan or king
let’s see how many more it can
meganda or kinganda
I-
mEG AN D A I'M-
hA
because I'm filipino I can read that as 'me beautiful'
meganda forever
Meganda sounds like Me Ganda
im this close to renaming myself palekinganda
Which means, me beautiful in Filipino-
Radiance bad, reject unity
IT DOES IT REALLY DOES I CAN'T TAKE IT SERIOUSLY AHJHAJAHSJHA
you are all beautiful 
Do you think there's more elders in the Sky universe than the 7 we were shown ingame?
i didnt realize its that funny lmao
pa l e king beautiful
moreover how does sky astronomy work
I-
messy
I mean, there might be more elders (since constellations represents elders, right?)
I wonder how many more theories ‘all creatures are born naturally’ can destroy
let’s play that fair game with the shooting balloons with water jets
i guess.
but balloons are my theories
Voluntary pls I know you're upset but isn't it about time that you started thinking about I don't know- using that to your advantage
what advantage
No clue- which is why I'm leaving it up to pretty much everyone else here-
ok folks im bacc
hi bacc im dad
correct
Besides, like I said before cyborgs aren't COMPLETELY off the table
Hi bacc
ok im sure u have a lotta questions abt the symbiote theory
and possibly a lotta rebuttals too
There's billions of stars in the sky but we only got to know 7
Hi Bacc, welcome back
im here to answer and explain them all
i don't really have much of anything concerning the symbiote theory really-
I can’t question your theory, I need to clean up the rubbish pile of my broken theories first
oh and regarding the butterflies
I can’t accept this yet
I'm just kind accepting that MAYBE we need more classification systems concerning the creatures
I agree with your theory and I don't have any questions about it (for now, prolly)
since it's your field and everything Pyre
well krill aren’t machines that’s sorted
virdi doesnt think they r not alive
and if this is the case, i have a whole new way of explaining that to the sybiote theory
the butterflies
(i mean irl constellations are actually made up so we can easily identify stars, so in sky there might b infinite constellations. and there are more planets in orbit credits so anything may be possible)
I’ll just force myself out to avoid getting too angry
no i do not in fact think that the butterflies are all artificial
(so mayyyybe somewhere out here there’s a prince-like star governing their own elder without the eden tragedy)
goodbye for now, will only return once calmer
Aight see ya Voluntary- hope you calm down
what are you talking about nothing’s artificial
everything’s natural
ye goodbye I need a rest
ok so butterflies DO sneeze calls so if they r light creatures they have sparks...
some more stuff:
when we deep call we overload the butterlfies and they get hot and they come to us to give bacc the sparks that we gave them (cuz they have small storage space)
and they rub into us and push us up collectively
butterfly charming is like putting jam in a jar but the jam is our sparks and the fly is the butterfly...
like feeding
the isle elder maybe putting the light next to the eggs
so im saying butterfly eggs r like dragon eggs...
they only hatch in extreme temperatures
so our candle is wuts need ed for the butterfly to grow...
like food+grow up trigger
i'm- now I'm even more confused
butterflies have a call too
Ooo there should be a butterfly call
yesss
yknow wut, the theory i made just now is so cool, im gonna subscribe to "butterflies r alive" too
I-
I’m going to wishlist and ideas
ik that was narccisistic
I am confused but go on pyre
i mean- I'm glad you're happy with your theory I guess?
I'm sure I will understand after a while
so basically butterflies have calls too
Ye, if you hear closely
what
so it would make sense if butterflies were alive
You can hear like high pitched giggles
They're like tiny giggling girls ngl- the butterfly calls I mean
the call im talking abt is the visible "sneeze" part of the call
are butterflies Japanese schoolgirls
also that's a nice thought
You're giving me ideas that I'd rather not have
I mean, Megan sent kids to a world to save people which anime does that and I'm not surprised if that's the case-
duds.. there r 2 parts in a light creature`s call:
the real sound, and the spark distributing sneeze
i cover this in the doc
butterflies do the sneeze
my take away from the sneeze part was that holy christ mantas sneeze hard enough to yeet us into Temples
which is all we need to say butterflies have sparks in em too
huh
they do call periodically I'll give you that-
huh
Like any other living creature that produces sound yes
little amounts of sparks leak away all the time and we call that charging our light
Yes
then there is larger migrations of sparks that r so huge we can see them
and those r callls
Oh you changed your name lol
Bacc's name is a dad joke
Yes
Yes
anyways, lore
manta is pog
ok

pogchamp
what does the bird eat tho
Seeds
we see the bird whisperer feed the bird
no idea
Seeds
flowers????
light seeds 
w ha t
I’m calmer now, but will only engage in topics not anything to do with krill or centred around creatures for a while
to avoid getting angry again
are there other elders or princes/princesses out there
For the elders, most likely since constellations represents elders
And there's lots of constellations in orbit
So eh-
what if there are other types of skykids
@sinful anvil We can't prove anything like that, so I'd just put a pin in it :p
but it's possible (prolly-)
I mean- define other types of skids like
Made of light, made of dark or smthn smthn
ie descendants who are not like us
There's the Fallen- subtly different from us
our theme is balance of light and dark, there might b other themes
And that one skid from the spirit memory from way back who I'm convinced is a skid prototype
We can't prove anything, so i'd run with that theory until I develop some convoluted story around it that ends in Megan being evil
but that's just me
gods being evil is just .. no, in my case



