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Maybe, but the trials existed before the eden.
yeah it seems like krill and crabs only attack us, while these guys actually consume our light it seems
huh
Cave of phropecies is an origin story of kingdom.
soo the trials are just there? I haven't really been paying attention this season 
Well, beings and cultures can exist before kingdoms. As to what was the exact soecific connection, I cannot surely tell.
Murals do show that elements or virtues were gained ftom grials and passed on to elders.
I believe so too.
that's interesting
maybe since the trials are of the elements, maybe they helped shape the kingdoms or something?
I wonder where that boat could've went to, considering that the pond is so small
Very possibly so. What I am wondering is the exact process.
maybe it was just recreational? it looks too small for any other purpose
Also that ice block looks suspiciously like a diamond but i highly doubt it, i guess it'll call it a piece of ice for now
Boats are not only used for tranportation. Considerjng valley is sports and Coliseum themed, may have been for entertainment.
rowing is a sport
Soap box race with a boat hurtling down the sliding race? 🤔
with stone oars. 
im doing fan art right now, and i made a connection- since fire trial has darkness, is that the origin of the krills? did those darkness eyes get loose once and rampage wasteland?
maybe they had power diamond rowing machines 
Hard to tell. It is likely that valley may have not always been covered in snow, note to the boat in lake.
The locations and the distance makes me say no to that.
So the race were constructed differently/after the snow?
perhaps
Hard to tell do you know what crate cu.lt is?
nope-
imo golden wasteland became inhabitable after war, and krill started appearing after, killing off any survivors that still remained
but what if the isle, prairie, valley and vault elders were strong enough to keep the dark away, but forest and wasteland werent strong enough? (im adding forest bc its rainin, but theres no connection aside from that)
It is a phenomenon in ww in the isles south asia. Planes landed on islands where tribes men lived. Once war ended they left, and tribes men used the left over technology in hopes to call them back. Thus, it is possible that races also may be slightly missued from what they were originally used for.
Why arent krills in forest then?
maybe it was just because forest, valley and wasteland were closest to eden (vault is underground so it may have held back damage well, vaults are meant to be secure mind you)
too many trees
because maybe forest was a bit stronger than wasteland
forest was farther from eden, so it makes sense it didn't take as much damage
I highly doubt that connection. Whybarent krills outside of caves of of phropecy then?
The Vault looked like it was attacked at some point
The reason why I think krills arent past gw is the cyclone that sucks every being in.
because, like I said, the isle elder might've been stronger, but who knows
also keep in mind that wasteland endured a war, forest didn't
Noticing the multiple holes that looked like it had been busted through on the floors
If he was strong enough to fight off krills, then surely he would have been strong enough to keep them in their spot in the first place.
Yes, I posted this idea couple days ago, Rito.
AND ALSO does forest elder and vault elder have a connection?
I think the krills prefer areas with higher darkness, which is why they only reside in wasteland and eden, as those are the realms with the most darkness
Oh really? Sorry, i didn't know.
so places like isle and prairie would not be very habitable for them
Its oki, i was thinking do you need any help with material.
yes, and to my point as well, technically forest is brighter than wasteland
although it seems forest suffers from polluted rain, so perhaps one day krills will reside there as well
As interesting as it is, I would need more concrete observation if I wish to support such theory
oh? what kind of materials?
I mean technically yes, forest has bio luminescent fungi and some sunny areas while wasteland lacks this
Well vault may have bern less attacked than broken into. The area is called arvhives and is said yo be forbidden stored memories.
maybe archive stores the king's memories
Archives can story many memories. Not necessarily only king's. Plus there are no suggestive evidence to lead to that.
I mean it IS forbidden knowledge, and what better to be the most guarded knowledge than the most important person in the kingdom?
The intruder however, may have used some form of firepowet or was bulky, that is for sure. May have have been a team as well. The damage is rather substantial.
and most theories are inference with little concrete evidence anyways 
Forbitten knowledge may also be knowledge that is secret, to keep others from gaining technoligy. Incriminating details for officials, and so on and so forth. So not necessarily.
Which is why I endrose so few. 
I bet you that whatever is in those archives has to do with a. the king's/ other elder's knowledge, b. knowledge on orbit or c. information about megabird
Interesting. Do you think the Vault and it's people were actually capable of fending for themselves? Most of them seem to take forms as bookworms or nuns (which are usually pacifists). And probably they're tasked with keeping the Vault safe, so..
I am willing to take that bet. I do not know what was stored, but likely hood of that is relatively small compared to all the possibilities 
That is a good one. They did know levitation, and they were vell respected. I suppose they had help from some for of enforcement if things got rough. Note that engry to the vault is technically guarded by GW elder.
It is implied that there was a war in wasteland, perhaps one group was trying to break in to vault while gw elder and his soilders tried to fend them off. those weapons certainly could imply soldiers large enough to cause that damage to vault
Thatbis a possibility yes. Question is, which group? Why and what happened after?
Oki, I again managed to spend more time than I planed to here.
thank you for the talks, and happy lore hunting, lovelies!
take care!
Question
Where do the shattered winged lights go to
I accidentally left the gane on and a krill kept on attacking me
And I just lost 8 winged lights
thats more of a #questions-and-help place, the wl will be randomly spread throughout the realm. gl finding them
Yeah, I'm p sure the ones you lose are random cuz after a krill attack i found one at prairie in a very obvi place and i had a panic attack like "did i srsly miss THAT one?"
Same thing for forest... I got krilled, found a wl at the entrance of the rain forest
#questions-and-help will help you better
There isn't one, really
Id explain but that won't be important for lore jakdfjrj
I suppose that means when you get winged light that they kinda assemble randomly and not in order of collectability
Which is interesting
But then again skykids probably don't have organization skills so-
Lmao
So they just tack them on randomly-
Well-.... How does getting winged light work? You just absorb them right??
I feel like we've been over this 295739 times but smrkdjxjf
Well I think you collect winged light and when you are touched by darkness they flee away from you and go back to where you found that winged light
Hmmm that's true
Like us, they're affected by darkness
Cuz both lose power when in darkness
Mhm
Umm so forest and wasteland might have something relating
So, notice the change of state before and after the meditation:
ye
I'm very interested to know why the heck we have this in vault
it’s an old beta thing
that’s the technical reason, at least
hey do someone have a good picture of isle's poining spirit's cutscene murals? Cause' i can't quite go to the game right now to took some and i'm collecting pictures of every wall drawing in the game for one of my theories.
and in every walkthrough so far they skip showing them
did the devs confirm that the elders were the first leaders of the spirits? or is there a possibility that there were leaders before them?
there hasn’t been much discussion on that, nor dev confirmation either way 
i kinda wanna hear some more theories/headcanons on how the spirits died www
Off the top of my head the ones that I think died where they were are the Crying Spirit and everyone from Wasteland
And Chibi mask spirit too
I think yesterday we had a discussion where Chibi mask spirit died because no one ever found her in her game of hide and seek
that the Chibi poem sounds like a freakin' eulogy doesn't help ckkdkd
There's the two spirits from both races though, they could have died while racing
what about seasonal spirits 👀
Idk too much about them actually- Imma have to watch most of them again-
Mostly I just assumed that everyone on the Ark eventually starved to death but that doesn't sound plausible considering it looked like they had farmlands
And mushrooms-
I heard some theories that they died in different ways, such as old age, starvation, crabs, etc
Alchemist does look like quite the boomer
i don’t think the spirits necessarily died in their memories
some it’s clear they probably did, like Sneak likely died shortly after her cutscene from a krill or something, and Cry likely died too from the cave-in
wait do dark plants act like chest-bursters? so when they grow they explode from the chest of someone?
chest-bursters I'm-
Thats how i see it
well, judging by the look of the person who was « infected » by them, they didn’t seem to have « bursted » out, rather grown gradually
Grown gradually reminds me of the Hanahaki disease- except this one doesn't look like it's just a respiratory thing-
i mean the dude looked more in pain than dead
true
Yeowch
so yeah, probably some sort of long-term exposure type thing
if they were trapped by the darkness plants, maybe some of the spores got inside their body and began ||eating the miner from the inside out||
(spoilered text is kind of intense)
I was kind of thinking its like some kinda despair
when their emotions get so out of control
that the darkness plants grow rapidly
OH i just thought of something dark

oh mai
what if the amount of dark plants in an area means of amount of ded people are there
Well i read the exact message like that and its dark l
In fact, everything seems to be infected with some kinda darkness (the krills and the crabs)
Theyre not naturally aggressive
For example, you can see some dark debris on the crabs legs, but there are also friendly crabs without the debris
Its also the same kind of debris falling from the krill
and it doesnt look like its a part of their body
ever watched "Castle in the sky"?
Wdym
No but I've heard of it
I think so, but that was a long time ago
there is a castle in the clouds
wait no definitely is this that one Ghibli movie with the girl in braids
Like 5 years ago
But with magic-
looks like map 4
I just remember robots
okay cheese
cheese
Yes cheese
scroll up a bit
^
Scroll up as in go up a bit in chat and read about what people said about the dark plants
Speaking of that, is that dark orb always just a part of Ancestor biology-
Like, do they always just have that inside of them and it only activates in a hostile manner in specific circumstances
And there's even spirits where we don't have to burn that plant to relive the memory- the Ceremonial Worshippers don't have bodies to burn
then again those Worshippers always just felt like an exception
Looks like the sphere in their bodies must be activated by their soul in order for them to be awakened
Wdym by their soul, Rain?
Actually NVM I was thinking of smth else
I kinda get what you mean though? Because if by soul you mean they're being put into stressful situations and that sphere just goes berserk
Was thinking of those dark spheres in the spirits before you light them, and thought it was the other way around for a sec
Ohhhhhh-
wait if those dark plants were once spirits does that mean those gigantic plants in Wasteland were like
Soldiers
Gigantic plants?
The ones that need several people for them to burn
One in Graveyard and one in Battlefield
Those are in rainforest too
True-
Maybe if the dark plants sprout from dead people, the bigger plants are from more than one dead bodies laying near each other
And the dark plants became one from each body
How did we come to this gruesome theory btw?
There's something that can possibly support that theory.
When you light the crying miner, there's a point where they are trying to help someone sitting down, and it looks like they can't move because their leg is injured. When coming across that, a dark plant begins to grow in front of us.
That person with the injured leg probably died in the same spot
oh god
that giant plant in Sanctuary
if we're going by this logic then there was a horde of people that died in crab cave
Ye
Imagine dying horribly with a bunch of people on your vacation
The one place you'd think you'd be safe from anything
Maybe all the spirits in sanctuary there all died in that cave?
And the smaller plants in sanctuary were just from other people on vacation?
Maybe
and that was how they died
Also the entire island is shaped like a crescent moon c:
cute
There's a plant on the floating island where the Timid Bookworm was
ooo
Maybe that's just where she died? And there's one in Jellyfish caves too
Jelly Whisperer dying among the things he loved the most
thought jelly whisperer was a girl
Spirits have no genders it's based on how you want their genders are
oh?
xnsnxnxn and I thought Grateful Shell Collector was a dude- she had a K-pop haircut-
Yeah I call spirits them unless their gender looks obvious to man or woman
I call Light Miner he/him personally
don’t know why it seemed to work more but it did
¯_(ツ)_/¯
nobody absolutely said men can’t have long hair
L
and some people see short hair and think boy
We talking the colleague that presumably got killed by the darkness...fungi?
What even are they?
it was a K-pop haircut you can't blame me for assuming male cjsjcjdj
I assume based on body language, anatomy, clothing, and etc but if confused I just don't refer to them as guy or girl
(my kid’s based on a homestuck character)
My kid is boi and looks boi
Or the stereotypical boi
We are off track
Ixhihdigd
Back to lore people
Yeah that guy that got killed by fungi is dead definitely-
We see no other bodies to burn other than Tearful Light Miner's
I feel bad for the crying miner
And hey yeah it does look more like a fungus than an actual plant
i don’t
You mean the orb things? Theyre in a lot of spirits
W h y
they even give a bit of extra wax
i’ve had to do their memories so many times
so most likely made of darkness
i have lost all emotion connecting the memories
It's the seasonal spirit's fault lel
lool
I have more cognitive empathy for the spirits because, well, they're just in a game
Jsgsjgohd
we getting off track again www
(00)/
i'm sorry to interrupt the conversation
but i was wondering if the skyshop messages are canon? that might be a weird question but since i've heard they're managed by seperate staff i thought i'd ask 
Oh yeah- we've been analyzing them yesterday
I really like the actor’s poem for some reason
It seemed like it fit with some of the lore we came up with beforehand at least-
that was what made me think of it 
Skyshop messages?
Yeye- the poems
A few examples
it's been a while since i read the july preorder messages but the cape one was about a storm i believe? possibly the storm in eden?
Poems are so hard to understand
I can't even understand my own
Lightseeker cape yeye
I love me some rhythm lore 
One of the poems did confirm they were a troupe of some sorts
did rhythm have an area
areas began appearing during enchantment
That was added in Belonging iirc
wasn't that belonging?
it's been a while since i've checked tho
yea
~~the cave pin is very pretty tho
~~
Cave pin?
pin cave?
well by lore its more like expanding on their character i just love them skdjdjkskds
I do think in some way Belonging is tied to Forest- there was a poem relating to Forest that spoke of Togetherness
Umbrella poem is easy to understand
I don't understand poems and im too lazy to read em
not for dumb’uns
We'll do that regardless lmao- never know what we'll find in poetry
You don't have to be smart to understand poems iskdggs
besides I have a class for that so I can't escape the poems :'D


Its almost like the spirits are actually talking!

The umbrella poem is just saying the skids follow light because it's their source and that they'll search for spirits and that the umbrella exists and it keeps people together in the rain
i’m gonna go mcdie now
This chat can die very suddenly I tell you
Sudden death but with none of the dodgeballs-
Do ya'll wanna circle back to the dark plants thing or-
I wanted to ask more about the red crystals in Eden
Because I don't think I understand them well
And I want to cuz I made a sky oc who's very associated with them recently c:
Nice.
But we can talk more about dark plants if desired
The red crystals are a great topic too tho, we can talk about that if you wanna
Okay
Mostly from a convo I had months ago I kind of believe that the red crystals are an upgraded version of a power diamond
Why are they only in Eden?
Why do they exist?
How did they come to existence?
What are they really made of?
Why do they harm skids?
Thinking of power diamonds as a battery that you need to keep charging, the red diamonds could be ones that charge on their own by absorbing the light in their surroundings
Oooo
That's all I've got in my opinion tho-
Could just be fragments of the Eden Diamond
If- when you think about it- was supposed to be the perfected version of the power diamonds we see
What if the Eden diamond is a huge red crystal
An automated system that can absorb and emit light as it needs-
Once I've seen the Eden Diamond be likened to a black hole too- but for light I think
Powering the beam?
Power
Power for what
Yes
Idk if you meant the beam or if it's just accumulating power at this point-
The beam we see before we die in Eden or after we hug the light kid?
Because it's not like the storm gets stronger, so it couldn't be that
There's always a beam shooting upwards from the Eden Diamond
From what I understand from previous convos that beam is a bridge to Orbit- helping people Ascend
Oh
Yes absorb my energy and I die so I can go up to orbit
:))
Skids are often likened to moths lmao so I just assumed it was drawn to that light
Kind of... Ingrained into their mentality I guess, because we're always told to follow the Light
It always leads us Edenward
Why don't the skids turn back from Eden when they see that the place is extremely deadly
why are there some parts of eden shown throughout the different levels?
Oooo?
What levels?
I think they mean just all the places we go to
Based from the murals of Prophecy, Eden is actually vital for the Rebirth cycle
What lies in wait for you can only be overcome by ||sneep||
I call them levels, I don't know what people call them
I always just thought that made sense because Eden is a massive place
Its called realms by most people
With a giant freaking beam shooting upwards
Do skids know about rebirth before going to Eden tho?
Eden is the point of ascension
Aliens
That's why our kid has to go there a lot
I don't think so
Yeah
The first time around at least
Brb
Though, probably knew that death is coming for them when they go through Eden
I mean, we dont know what the Vault Elder told our kid
It sure looks like a dark souls area that I have to go through
It's actually possible that they've been told before going to Eden
That it'll be hell for them
Tho... how do you say that in kid language...?
bad place
Vault Elder: Listen child we kind of need you to become a ghost
Wasteland Elder: Just say die
Lmao
lol
How do they even speak to us
who?
Elders
Well they dont speak
by the emotes or telepathy if that is the ability to communicate with the mind
Yes
Do my Skid even have a brain
I was about to say that
Were walking stones
Imagine they legit just didn't talk and they just have amazing body language literacy
They talk through HONK
YeS
Like 'oh the old woman looks sad she's slouching and everything that's a death flag right there'
They just move like a few times and I am supposed to know death is ahead of me :((
Skid: and now they're bowing- now I'm REALLY gonna die
Wait, if our skid is the Prince, do you think they remember being the Prince, or that they will in the future? 
who knows
I don't think we know we're the prince
Skids are questionably sapient beings so idk if we have that mental capacity to question our purpose
I feel like they actually would know from the ending part of the Vault cutscene
True
Like sure we have emotes but maybe that's them just imitating
Confused I was when they bow
You know... The Elders bowing down and our constellation suddenly showing up and turning into the King mural.
Yeah, they definitely know from that
I come back to a funny conversation
Elders sans Vault Mama
Wb rain
Ty
Our kid doesn't remember, it seems
I feel like skids and elders communicate with telepathy. We even have a telepathy emote.
Well, they talk through honking, I believe
They are more like actions than emotes
When you chat, your skid actually honks
H j o n k
The bigger the message, the bigger the honk
I always thought of honking as a skid's way of getting attention
it is sky logic
A GOOSE controlling us
Considering we're technically part light creatures and light creatures can honk maybe we just have that in us
but there are different sounds though
I believe the honk from creatures ar epretty much the equivalent of animal sounds in Sky
The sounds are just the kids imitating animals
Literally all sound appears as HONK in Sky
Like animal sounds
now that's adorable-
Like the bell ringing
I agree it is adorable
How do we even know how to honk when we first came down tho
dont kids imitate other people in general?
in the Temples and Foreset, they literally H O N K
Mimics smhh
the mantids
More like "tweet" for birds, or something like that
i mean you slowly learn to talk irl so probably the same thing for sky kids
Like how we poorly mimick animal sounds as well, that's how I saw it
The honk is also a function to activate things
And the activations draw to the kids, like the butterflies
well you cant talk in chat the first day you’re playing sky i think
Deep calling for defense and butterfly transport
The birds, Mantas and butterflies start honking when we're close...
I'm pretty sure you can
true
how about the jellyfish?
they honk also
Maybe
oh my god we're a Disney Princess
Oh boy, were starting to sound like a Disney princess, talking to the creatures of the wildlife-
Wow, jinx
skykids are horrible at imitating when u think about it. the manta call doesnt even sound like mantas and ppl expect us to have krill calls like legit krills
They're trying their best ;-;
kreb call is reasonable now
Actually dogs don't understand us
I think they can only manage sounds like "weh" and "wah" because they don't have mouths
Maybe the skids just need to go to yoga and let out all of the sounds trapped in our mind-

W e h
Skids are honestly adorable little beans
my skykid: [quiet cosmic manta sounds of shyness]
AHAHAHAHHAHH
I believe its the equivalent of how we say "tweet", "moo" or "bark" when we're "imitating" animal sounds
Onomatopoeias?
Our kid does that cause they're a kid, of course
If they exist in real life would you consider them Adorable eh
That's elaborate as heck-
No mouth
Yeah, what Viridi said
My skykid: [voice cracks of the jellyfish call, indicating his voice is deepening]
been thinking about what if they can read body language to a point that irl they can tell when we’re lying, so they miight b better at communicating than humans
imagine a skid tryna scream like a krill and they just sound like a tiny lion getting a bath from mum
They's be creepy and cute
exactly. im curious as heck, i kinda drew about it
oh god
my skid:[aggressive jellyfish calling]
Or they just make a gurgling sound
wha
I wouldn't want some alien like creature suddenly trying to bark at me
Oh, that reminds me of that mention about Forest Elder being a tsundere. Now they could tell that Forest Elder is lying about her feelings-
OOF
I might it'd make for a great vid
Forest Mama: it's not like I was waiting for you or anything
forest elder seems bored and then when we appear, like why so agressive grabbing the light
She really needs the light
here, i wrote a the exorcist x sky crossover about a skykid in our world (except its the 1970s) #sky-fanart-sketches-and-art-chat message
The Elder actually appears to be in some stage of grief on that part of the cutscene
That has got to be one of the most bizzare and yet intriguing crossovers I've seen
Idk, its hard to explain
spirit fanfics when
forest mama seems impatient
good thats what i like to get
are they seperated from each other and unite at the end of vault?
grabbing the light that quickly
What if the elders represent six stages of grief
Or dementia
This is mostly dark humor
heyo! what yall talkin bout
I consider vault as it some emergency meeting
Heya Mothman
Please do not say among us
Rn I guess it's Elder talk
oh cool
Among us
My headcanon was the Forest Elder was once probably the most patient out of the Elders due to her dedication for her work

She don't seem patient
But, at some point, that changed
well yesterday i was scrolling up and found the elders fanon names!
fanon*
I said "was once"
"They are no longer canon"
Those were in the lore moff doc too btw
interesting names though
So Forest Elder isn't quite like that
whoops i forgot lol
anymore
imo forest is just mean and theres nothing hiding from her except for secrets of her allegiance to the king and what she did with her realm. i used to want to give her benefit of doubt and maybe think she is some mother but now i dont want to anymore; im rly tired of the tropes who is harsh on the outside n sweet on the inside cuz that just doesnt excuse them being harsh
also the symbols or letters next to the names, is it greek?
i think there was a theory discussion about the elements and how the elders lost something
All the four Elders and Probably Vault Elder too was changed after the fall of the Kingdom
They're Hebrew dude
it’s hebrew
names are based from the hebrew alphabet
how come i see alef and daleth used as names for both the prince and isle elder, as well as for the valley twins
cool. it looked greek to me for some reason
cuz daleth and alef used for the twins is a misconception
I'm just lurking now theres nothing to do in quarantine
hi Kokichi
screw the forest elder im tired of pretending she’s nice
but for now I'm sticking with the names we got-
People name what ever they want so it can be a little confusing
i think people sorta mixed up the names of the elders
Or they took a look at the moff doc and ran with it
true
Can't blame them those DO sound like Twin names
Prairie used to be the most hard working Elder, now they just became lazy
Forest used to be patient for her dedication at creating stuff, now she pretty much lost it
Twins used to cooperate, now they're rivalries who try to have fun to distract themselves from their own grief
GW was once the strongest, and bravest out of all of them. Now, they were weakened, and not as confident as before
so we are talkin bout the elders and downfall of the kingdom, and also decided that Forest and Vault changed after the downfall?
Yes bc most people literally name Teth "mama legs" in lore chat
wait wha
mama legs I'm-
"she pretty much lost it"
Relatable
What a terrible day to have eyes
well we all now the elders lost something important to themselves
also forest mama
Gw elder better tell Dad jokes
I had a brainfart and was confused by GW until I put it together in my brain
Lore?
Yes
Right right- Isle Elder and Vault Elder don't really seem like they've lost much virtue-wise
The heels are very important
wait i’ll list out what i think the elders lost
In fact Isle Elder seemed like the most put together out of all of them- ironically being the one who had the broken mask
Sounds legit
Maybe those lamps we're filled with light
He just gets straight down to business like 'okay kid see that mountain- climb it and die'
Ah yes the floor is made of floor
No i meant the lamps
Yeah- Vault Elder really seemed like she retained her knowledge- because other than Isle Elder she was pretty put together
The lamps have holographic tech built inside them
wasteland seems to interest me the most and why it looks like the way it is
Also known as knowledge and can be used to record stuff i guess?
In the form of light
Somehow if it was Vault Elder I doubt that knowledge will ever be lost to her
Industrial area be failing
Even without the containers
Oh that- yeah I'm kind of doubting it was the King now
Yea due to the size of the tunnel
If it wasn't the King it had to be SOMEONE though
Well, Vault seems a little more... mellow-ish?
Well, something about Vault tells me they wasn't always like that
she got dem scars
Vault elder was a girl?
it must’ve been Prince then
No, I mean, how they treated us
isle: sight. couldnt guide boats
prairie: lost the energy to carry the heavy pots
forest: lost patience to create or couldnt create at all
valley: balance now they compete each other for everything
gw: lost strength or courage to fight back
vault: lost the ability to access the memories or knowledge
Could be the Prince if the King was just a mech
I see Prince and King as the same person. Prophecy murals imply this
That too-
Yes that too
mmkay Imma peace out for a while cya guys in a bit
in one concept king’s pupil was shaped as prince iirc
Yes
Bye viri
bye
chat ded aaaaa
imma lurk
;-;
trying to think, wasteland represents industrial. why does the elder pop. out of the sky with a spear and shield. unless it has to do with guarding
Maybe it just symbolizes his personality
Or what he's meant for, which is to guard, be a soldier
Well, many parts of Wasteland like the shields, swords and spears imply it was a battlezone
So that part explains the Elder
What is he even doing in the sky
Vault elder give me uwu vibes
watching the sky or keeping a watch out
Maybe he travels by his spear in the air for a bit, kinda like that one character from Genshin Impact who whirls around with her spear when attacking
/j
How does be even stand on the sky
Interesting
What does uwu vibes even mean
;-;
Vault elder gives me a "I'm depressed but I'm still chillin" vibe
the vault elder gives me they need a hug like all the elders lol
Except for meanie forest
Hmmmn uwu is a face, and seems to have chill and cute vibes
That's what I meant jahaha
Forest ain't a meanie, she's just been waiting for that light for so long ;-;
forest misses her boo
Aggressive light taker
Stole the kid is bad
I don't like how menacing she is with a hammer
Actions speak louder than words, but they don't determine what someone's like ;-;
I like her hair though
Unless they're like that all the time
Why does Aggressive Lighttaker sound like an actual name for a spirit lmao
But forest elder iirc socialized with the skid in the end, patiently
I like forest cause' they actually shows the grief after the fallen of the kingdom
forest elder reminds me of another game character from a different game. they seem mean, but is actually nice
I think this is interesting
Ye
Some people who seem mean on the outside are warm and caring on the inside
My favourites are the valley twins just because I love some rivalry q
Yep it's a tsundere
In fact people who seem really mean are just like that so that they don't appear as vulnerable because of bad experiences in their past
Ye
Imagine that all your kingdom now deals with toxic rain and it's "your fault"
Isle and Prairie Elders are just chill- but Isle always gave off the vibe of 'f i n a l l y-'
'I can s e e'
Does giving the light to the Elders is supposed to be repeated?
Maybe in the future....?
I think it would be nice if the maps slowly change from something to another, like the ark
It would give us the feeling of doing something good to the realm
Yes
No
Maybe
Because it doesn't make much sense giving light to elders and nothing changing
how about prairie?
I love stuff like doing things in games that evolve a character or environment
Like what we do in forgotten ark and the trial cave
Yes
@hushed steeple ark is beautiful
Me too. I wish I could give light to all wasteland. Poor realm, it was the most affected one :/
Yeah
I wonder what the krills would look like if we made the environment lively and beautiful
I think is interesting to think that the GW elder on the concept art would sacrifice himself for us to enter on vault
Well if the lights would have spread then gw is good now
With the lights
But gw is FUN
Idk what to think about krills
Krills are food yes
Like, I have no idea where they came from and what they are
They are food
they are pointy hotdogs
Hahahaha, no, crabs are food ewe
I can't just eat something which is pure darkness
Well yeah
are krill, shrimps and prawns different?
I think so
No
🦐
They are the same
Also note that the krills in-game are not krills they are dark dragons krills is just a community name
ye of course lol
Uwu
Are we sure that dark dragons aren't just their nickname to describe their ominous aura?
I believe Krills are from the Orange light
i like to think of the community as just the sky kids
You know, GW Elder was given the Orange Light in the Proph murals
so the sky kids in game would just be calling them krill
Krills are just burned shrimps
Krills are angy that they were cooked too long, becoming burnt
🍤
You know, GW Elder was given the Orange Light in the Proph murals
@thin dirge I didn't understood the murals of prophecy :')
I have a doc explaining it, but its just a draft, and has a few mistakes
No thats the fire element
/you got all the cutscenes yet
I'm not so good at looking at drawings and trying to find out what the heck is going on
Wll
Send me pls
I think the 4 lights are just the elements
I was working on a new doc entirely to explain it, but maybe I should fix the original doc a bit first...
I like to see what others think about the lore
/yes please butter, do please sent
Wait, Imma try to fix the mistakes in it first for a bit
lol butter
Wont be long
Oki
blue-water, green-earth, cyan-air, red-fire
I'm going to do one soon, but first I'm watching the Light Awaits gameplay to see how much has changed
Well alot really
Wait, Imma try to fix the mistakes in it first for a bit
@thin dirge can you send me on my pv?
/oh yea the cutscene were ruined for me since i landed on the fire rock things but fell, it trigger the cutscene but i see nothing lmao
O
Yes
/okay but like, skybot isnt canon-
Lmao-
The wisdom type cause it was wrong, Earth and Air was switched
I'll start editing again when yall are finished reading it
/yoooooo cooool, i havent finished yet gtg
/i litteral went "puff oh heck that's pretty cool"
I like your theory regarding the prince bringing the elemental lights to Eden, causing havoc because they aren't supposed to mix together
Fire and water
That makes that uhhh energy in the old days right
With that part, what I meant is that each of the lights played a hand in how Eden looks the way it is today, not quite how the elements "mixed" I guess
Oh
Does anyone know what the little light on the island in the water in the shipwreck room is? It seems to be a lost piece of light but it’s out of bounds
Unfortunately I can’t allow discord to access my camera roll due to settings that I can’t change
?
There’s a little island that had ruins on it in the distance in the shipwreck in gw
Yeah?
And there’s a little light on it and I was wondering if anyone know what it is
Does the light move or shine brightly or just a dot of light
It seems to shine and flicker depending on what angle you are looking at it from
It looks like a piece of light but it’s out of bounds
windwalls am i right
Smh wind walls why you push us out like that
/yes winds walls destroy everything
((I haven’t been in game for a while,what does that light look like?))
Idk what light they're talking about tbh
Trial rooms?
Those portals?
The realms itself
Not just portals
The home space is in the middle of the box
I’m asking where prophecy caves is
Is it near the top of the box or at the bottom of it
/pfft sealkid dont take it from me tho i could be wrong
no one have experimented that with me yet so I guess this is my only clue-
I mean- Isle is one of the sea-level realms so by proxy the Cave should be at around that level
Unless we interpret it as taking in it's own separate mini-box within Isle idk
since the cave requires a portal the cave of prophecies is either a sort of separate dimension from the rest of the sky kingdom or we're just skipping a reallyyy long walk into the cave
that's my guess
/oooh portal to a new dimention? i mean, unlike the other realms when you go somewhere, the cave of prophecy resembles the portals at home
/with that sorta spinny, blurry edges at the entrance
keep continuing on wb ur convo abt prophecy cave, but i have some really messy notes abt isle and prairie
sorry abt my messy handwriting
mural in isle:

/sorry for interupting but it's too funny https://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/spirit-helper/12-spirit-helper-qna/viewer?title_no=522006&episode_no=12
I was talking with my friend about how Sky is kind of similar to Greek culture, in a certain way. Let's think that this prophecy certainly exists since the first fall of the kingdom, and we're at the second fall now (everyone died and the sky kids were born). I think to prevent the fall of the kingdom, the King sealed it, they could become paranoid with the fact that the kingdom may fall again, so all the gates and stuff are there to prevent from something to attack them, however, the king haven't realized that the exploration of light would become a part of the problem.
In greek culture our destiny is our fault, but not just ours, since the gods usually helps to seal it too. Just gods, semi gods, and people very rich or being part of the family of the king can have a destiny, they're called "superior man" .
Let's have in mind that the Elders are superior creatures, so they have a destiny. If they have a destiny and a prophecy, something is superior to them. I think they're splitted parts of one creature that fell down after the first fall, so it explains why the Valley twins have one mechanical arm each
I don't know if it makes any sense but this are just my random thoughts. I'm sleepy hahaha
/why only the valley twins
Someone said really up there that it was supposed to be just one elder for valley, but they splitted in two
/like one creature slipt into many elders correct?
Maybe I'm just thinking too much tho, this last part came to me after discussing a little bit if there's one superior creature above the elders
Yeah yeah
It can be many things, I like to think that the light in orbit is kinda of a creature too
/a joke from a comic-
/but based on the concept arts!
This all idea of sky being related to Greek culture come to me after thinking that the game works the way that Greek Tragedy works
/megan would be Zeus? wait who was at the top-
Maybe the catarsis in Sky is the apocalypse, that created new life and a new beginning to a better world, or this is just part of the prophecy.
Basically catarsis is the most tragic and powerful moment of greek tragedy, that expurgue the bad feelings of people, so... It would work as a manner of clear things
I'm thinking more in a Literature related way than in a very direct reference
/well a mix match of a bunch of different culture, sewed up by kindness and honkes yea
Basically because of both?
/we're so dumb, sometime cr-ing instead of giving light back
/never head on the mission
hey we are cleaning the wax
But we're part of the prophecy
floating wax aren't good
So the fallen of the kingdom would happen anyway
/the prophecy is about the prince or us?
It's sad because we can't save the elder of Eden anymore, I just wonder where is they
Yes
/wait speaking of which i havent finished reading butter's theory
anyone thinks that the final mural was made a long time after the first 3
the elders did the trials and became elders,and then the murals showed the chosen ones' achievements
Ohh please tell us
Ohhh that's a nice theory too
But there's just 4 elements and 7 elders
As I said earlier I'm not good at reading the drawings hahaha
I still have to take a closer look on them
This is a VERY GOOD theory
Very very good
The king elder kinda looks like a krill tho hahaha
Where did u find this arts?
I just have the ones from TGC's Twitter
Who is megan
i haven’t been looking in lore because i hadn’t finished eden
But now that i have, I’m looking here and I’m just
Confused
A person have posted here a very good file
With the lore
I'm gonna copy it here again
To the server, no
To this channel, yes
Sky lore moff
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit?usp=sharing
Sky Leitmotifs
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19p_7mI1bI4fxKBk5ogVJCTsU7hzLJejqBgQTSJDAjuo/edit?usp=sharing
Canon doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit?usp=sharing
The Theory Vault
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-SOY_5WrhQ2ftVZEM9VMBsz92-n_53kBzQoHKmY2-24/edit?usp=sharing
Take a look on this files
You're gonna feel less confused
Ohhh thank you!!
I'll definitely gonna check it
But just tomorrow
I'm very tired now hahaha
It was nice talking to you ^^
Did I miss a moff come in fkskcksjd
Idk
Am i a moff? lore moff maybe
it’s been about a month since i started sky
i finished reading the first three files vickyssz sent
But the last one scares me
It’s so long
I do love theorizing and symbolisms though, so I do hope i’ll be able to help uwu
Ok I really need to be sneeping, but the teth poem puts a lot of points into the we are the prince theory
So does the Isle poem if you insert retrospect-
mmkay Null you should sneep tho
What time even is it over there
"Tomorrow is a new say" really causes problems with the timeloop theory, but "We awaited your return" requires that we have been there before
10:30
teth poem....?
shop where
Forest elder poem jease yeah mind needs sneepies.
it is hard to help when i don’t know anything
So far these two docs have all of the poems released so far
Neither did I until yesterday lmao
But yeah they are adorable
Sneep Null- we'll fill ya in by morning XD
Shouldn’t these be in the main docs....?
Like the longgggg one vickyssz sent earlier
Viridi we are rarely in at the same time!
The thing about the poems is that they're not written by the devs- the marketing team writes those iirc
Cote, different people maintain them
Wait rlly- I see you a lot lately tho Null
I may be doing a night brain but yeah I have you associated with sneep time
That's about a 10 hour gap but I kinda have Discord on just for the lore bits lmao
Speaking of lore bits, the poems are just that- lore bits
10 hr no wonder
For specific individuals
Wouldn’t the marketing team know a bit about the lore?
Or for other small things
I would hope marketing is in on the lore.
Lmao same
Imma just paste it here
"Don’t weep, dear Elder, we heed your heart,
Tomorrow is a new day.
The scattered light, you broke in vain,
No longer falls apart.
“Dear Child, we waited your return,
Our true savior of the sky.”
Let love and compassion deeply in,
With you, we too will heal."
Then again, the app description was misleading in the app store
um, who is speaking in the poem
It seems to be a general narrator
now that you ask that...
I suspect a conversation between us and the smith
^^
Smith....?
forest elder
They don't actually have cannon names
I read that as her name being Smith there's no going back from that one ckdkdkd
A lot of us still cling to names from like... One concept art
Oh I like her name being Smith
Yeahhhh but we're tryna minimize the use so as not to confuse newcomers
The twins will never have stable names tho
So if you've ever seen the Twins referred to as Alef and Daleth that's technically not true-
teth smith
But also technically viable

Spikey is spikey pretty consistently
asparagus and mushroom
Sonic and the Green Hill Zone
fanon names:
i am so going to refer to the twins as pollux and castor in my own time, just because
So basically we say to the elder: oh we know you kinda broke the kingdom but dw abt it cause i brought the lost stars to eden
And she replies: yeah i was hoping you’d do that, I’m kinda broke but ever since u brought the spirits back to the sky I’m better
Where did the twins become Aleph and Daleth?
dunno. some artist named them like it
and they were shipped together despite being twins I'm-
Daleth is boater and Aleph is prince
oh i sometime split Samekh into Samuel/Sah'el and Mekhane
I like them having the same name tho
Kinda funny how much chaos they could cause xDD
forest elder: “hey samekh”
Both turn: “yes?”
Forest elder: ...
GW Elder tryna call over one of them and they both descend on him like 'yeah boomer'
More like isle elder
what r we talkin bout
The Twins-
ok
And the chaos-
Sah'el if you didnt like the sounds of Samuel which is kinda American in some opinion 
Samuel is Hebrew too iirc
The reason there are too few chairs in the vault for the elders is likely the simple reality that the twins SHOULD NEVER BE SITTING DOWN
welp
i didnt really mind lmao, i jist provide an alternative
Or they weren't satsified with the chairs and just resorted to sitting on the chonky Elders
god that brings me the mental image of cats laying on chonk
I bet they totally nap like cats
aww
Ok time for down foot. Night
yeah it do
with 9 wedges
9 wedges.....

i hv really messy notes on things that hv been discussed here before
doesnt matter if you change the stance, it will stay in one scared stance
If you could see guys
We normally have 5 stars on the cap when we are a newbie
You have 10 stars when you done all (for the moment)
When you go to the orbite
You have 6 stars
Did it make sense ?
I think the amount of flaps you get in orbit depends how many statues you saved
There's 63 statues in storm lock if I'm correct
I think its how many stars/wl you get (that you don’t buy from spirits and elders)
You get 8 flaps if you don't have extra wl from spirits
Really? I remember seeing myself having 5 flaps in orbit back when I was a wee moff
I'm gonna go to eden to check later
I'd do it now but internet connection isn't stable
Nvm I'll go check now with my friend's abandoned sky acc
uh
What happened to the forest elder poem discussion
no clue- that happens a lot, we jump from topic to topic a lot
As a result not a lot of discussion ends unless someone prepped for it beforehand like Lime and Butters
Huh
About the orbit flaps discussion, yeah, I think it's fixed to 7 flaps
https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1
for discussions abt King and eden
hope yall enjoy!


